Thomas Cup Malaysia Line-up: What do you think?

[stan_du_38]

Well, the Thomas Cup is coming soon, people are speculating about the probable lineups, what do you think would be your ideal lineup this year?

Singles:
Lee Chong Wei
Wong Choong Han
Lee Tsuen Seng
Yeoh Kay Bin or Tan Chung Seang or Mohd Arif Abdul Latif

Doubles:
Choong Tan Fook - Lee Wan Wah
Koo Kean Keat - Tan Boon Heong
Chan Chong Ming - Chew Choon Eng

The reason for kicking out the Hashim brothers is because we shouldn't be including them because one has won the illusive All England years ago and another, a former world no 1. They've just not been performing, so they're not reliable to play even as 3rd singles (against Chen Jin or Chen Yu or Chen Hong of China, Simon Santoso of Indonesia, Shon Seong Mo of Korea and Joachin Persson of Denmark). The 4th singles between Yeoh Kay Bin, Mohd Arif and Tan Chun Seang, Kay Bin is a senior player and a capable and more experienced, and if they need someone young to gain experience, then it'll be Tan Chun Seang or Mohd Arif Abdul Latif.

As for the doubles, why not the proven combination of Chan Chong Ming - Chew Choon Eng who're regaining their former prowess? We need someone who could step up and take the place of Koo Kean Keat - Tan Boon Heong in case they perform disastrously (again), Mohd Fairuzizuan - Mohd Zakry may be good but they're not consistent enough and they just don't have the quality to win against top opponents match after match. One match and one upset is okay, continuously defying the odds to win something is another, and in this case, Chan - Chew are definitely better. There are lots of quality second doubles out there... (Luluk Hadiyanto - Alven Yulianto or Joko Riyadi - Hendra Gunawan of Indonesia, Hwang Ji Man - Lee Jae Jin of S Korea, remembering that they could split the partnerships and be just as strong, Jens Eriksen - Martin Lundgaard Hansen and Mathias Boe - Marsten Mogensen of Denmark, Guo Zhendong - Xie Zhongbo of China).

[Wong8Egg]

Agree with you mostly except I think Fuzzy is a better pair for being 3rd MDs and Yoyo is still a better choice for being the 4th single.

[ants]

AS much as i would want CCM/CCE on the list. But very unlikely they will be joining. I will vote for Fairuz/Zakry or WoonFui/TeckChai. BinShen/SoonHock will also have a chance i guess.

[vching]

The MS1 and MS2 are straightforward:

MS1: Lee Chong Wei
MS2: Wong Choong Hann

However, it is my personal opinion that Koo/Tan are better in MD1. IMO, they would fare better against Markis/Hendra, Cai/Fu, Jens/Martin, and Jung/Lee. But this can only happen if Koo/Tan performs well in ABC and Choong/Lee crash out in early rounds.

MD1: Koo/Tan
MD2: Choong/Lee

MS3 is trickier. On one hand, Lee Tsuen Seng is the experienced one. On the other hand, Hafiz Hashim is a good team player. However, in the end, I would go with Hafiz.

MS3: Hafiz Hashim
MS4: Lee Tsuen Seng

MD3 is also tricky. Fairuz/Zakry or Chan/Chew? Although BAM is almost certain to select Fairuz and Zakry, I think BAM should bring BOTH pairs just in case.

MD3: Fairuz/Zakry
MD4: Chan/Chew

[samuel882]

MD3 is also tricky. Fairuz/Zakry or Chan/Chew? Although BAM is almost certain to select Fairuz and Zakry, I think BAM should bring BOTH pairs just in case.

MD3: Fairuz/Zakry
MD4: Chan/Chew
Due to quota limits per team, only 10 players were allowed .
If MAS opt for 4 MD pair, who will be fielded MS 3:confused:
For MS 4, it doesnt matter who will they pick . They won't be fielded anyway in any ties IMO. MAS coaches has always been conservative for their lines-up in single department.

[vching]

Due to quota limits per team, only 10 players were allowed .
If MAS opt for 4 MD pair, who will be fielded MS 3:confused:
For MS 4, it doesnt matter who will they pick . They won't be fielded anyway in any ties IMO. MAS coaches has always been conservative for their lines-up in single department.

oops, forgot about the 10 player limit... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[ants]

Due to quota limits per team, only 10 players were allowed .
If MAS opt for 4 MD pair, who will be fielded MS 3:confused:
For MS 4, it doesnt matter who will they pick . They won't be fielded anyway in any ties IMO. MAS coaches has always been conservative for their lines-up in single department.

You are right there. :) There are limits for the amount of players who will be playing in TCUC.

[BinBin007911]

I think i would like to have Lee Tsuen Seng and a younger player for 3rt and 4th ms, i don like hafiz performing recently. and lee tsueg seng have have a better performing. i have not comment for 3rt md.

LCW
WCH
LTS
TCS/Latif

CTF/LWW
KKK/TBH
CCM/CCE or Fairuz/Zakry

[Noridayu]

The line up of Malaysia team will only be finalized on 20th April after the ABC.
Likely to team will consists of:
MS
LCW
HH
WCH

MD
KKK & TBH
CTF & LWW
Zakry & Fairuz

[jimbo]

I dont think Msia will opt LTS to replace Mr.Yoyo for MS3. But again, does it matter? whoever fielded will stumble to the pressure and eventually lose the crucial point :rolleyes:

[pjswift]

But they are looking for a MS4 and LTS is ideal.He beat TH in one TC despite the odds.LTS may not win a GP Gold but his stamina may just be good enough for that crucial match.LTS does not have a confidence problem, just stamina. For a big do like TC,among equals, send the one with the confidence to fight the odds. And that's LTS.Surely he can build up his stamina in 3 weeks for 2 matches.(Confidence takes months to build up and that's provided the player win big once.)
The last thing MAS wants is to send an MJ, who if he loses, can get blamed so much his career came to virtually a standstill.Let no MJ suffer like KBH again. It would be irresponsible not to learn from history.

[george@chongwei]

i hope that the yoyo man will not included in the squad:(:)

[abedeng]

I think we are looking at the less important thing here. Because of the gulf between LCW and the rest of the MS, there is not much difference, whoever is selected. Though I tend to agree with pjswift, LTS might be able to provide the difference in one specific match, he did beat Taufik in the 2002 final.

Instead, it is in MD that MAS has to register 100% success rate (2 points) in every tie. So the 3 pairs selected has to shoulder the burden of winning the points.

But to be honest, Malaysia's chances in this year's tournaments are less than 2 years ago, we are much more vulnerable than the 1992 Thomas Cup winning squad (which were competitive in 4 out of 5 ties).

[Cheung]

I'd go for LTS as 3rd singles. The man has remarkable fighting spirit when representing his country.

Overall, the squad is not as strong as last time so I do not really rate their chances this time. That time was very bad luck that Wong Choon Han had that terrible injury.

[pjswift]

I'd go for LTS as 3rd singles. The man has remarkable fighting spirit when representing his country.

Overall, the squad is not as strong as last time so I do not really rate their chances this time. That time was very bad luck that Wong Choon Han had that terrible injury.
Yes, agree. Good idea. Hafiz reserved as MS4. Hafiz has a confidence problem.

[Louisa]

Realistically, chances for us to be in the final is not high, what more to bring the trophy home...but, as long as our players play all out, despite losing, I will cheer for them...

[abedeng]

Realistically, chances for us to be in the final is not high, what more to bring the trophy home...but, as long as our players play all out, despite losing, I will cheer for them...

Well, at least, the chances of us being in the final is very high, barring any unforseen circumstances ...... :D And the chances of the finalist (whoever that might be) challenging the might of China in the final is still reasonable.

[bcmmgr]

Actually, I think 5 singles and 5 doubles is better, 1 backup double is enough, especially WCH can also play double is necessary, this will allow more flexible in single lineup and other country cannot predict easily:

Singles:
Lee Chong Wei
Wong Choong Han
Hazif
Lee Tsuen Seng
Tan Chung Seang

Doubles:
Choong Tan Fook - Lee Wan Wah
Koo Kean Keat - Tan Boon Heong
Chan Chong Ming

[sjoe]

Don't forget that bringing 4th players is not only for assurances but scenario for injury. The scenario which might need Hafiz for 2nd single is when LCW can't play due to injury then everyone has to go up.

[limsy]

Actually, I think 5 singles and 5 doubles is better, 1 backup double is enough, especially WCH can also play double is necessary, this will allow more flexible in single lineup and other country cannot predict easily:

Singles:
Lee Chong Wei
Wong Choong Han
Hazif
Lee Tsuen Seng
Tan Chung Seang

Doubles:
Choong Tan Fook - Lee Wan Wah
Koo Kean Keat - Tan Boon Heong
Chan Chong Ming

ya...u get my word...^^...but it was hafiz...^^...

[george@chongwei]

hmm, why the thread starter juz posted once??:)

[eaglehelang]

The Finalised Line-Up for both Thomas & Uber Cup :

THE SQUADS
THOMAS CUP
Singles: Lee Chong Wei, Wong Choong Hann, Mohd Hafiz Hashim, Mohd Arif Abdul Latif.
Doubles: Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah, Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong, Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif.

UBER CUP
Singles: Wong Mew Choo, Julia Wong, Lydia Cheah, Tee Jing Yee.
Doubles: Chin Eei Hui-Wong Pei Tty, Lim Pek Siah-Ng Hui Lin, Goh Liu Ying-Woon Khe Wei.

http://www.thestar.com.my/services/p...asp&sec=sports

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In TC, Arif is the surprise 4th singles.
In Uber Tee JY is roped in as 4th singles considering her good performance in National GP. Lydia replaced Anita as 3rd singles, aft beating Kaori Maori she deserves it.

[eaglehelang]

Photos courtesy of Utusan Msia

http://www.utusan.com.my/pix/2008/0426/Utusan_Malaysia/Sukan/su_02.1.jpg

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y=2008&dt=0426&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Sukan&pg=su_02.htm

Perseorangan = Singles
Beregu = Doubles

[eaglehelang]

NST

26 Apr

Nadzmi: Give it a go!

By K.M. Boopathy

2008/04/26

THE target is the Thomas Cup semi-finals but BA of Malaysia president Datuk Nadzmi Salleh has urged the players to give the title a go in Jakarta on May 10-18. Nadzmi said that although the Beijing Olympics are the shuttlers main target this year, he said there is no reason why Malaysia cannot aim for the Thomas Cup as well.

"The grand finale may be the Beijing Olympics but we must win other battles as well and in this context, the Thomas Cup is a very important tournament," said Nadzmi after chairing the coaching and training committee meeting yesterday.

"Personally, I say the players should aim for the Thomas Cup but we need to take into account that players from other countries have shown marked improvement while our players have been inconsistent.

"Malaysia should at least reach the semi-finals and anything lower will be unacceptable."

Nadzmi also named a no-surprise Thomas Cup squad as BAM took the expected gamble of naming Arif Latif, 19, as the singles reserve ahead of experienced KLRC Bhd shuttler Lee Tsuen Seng.

The others singles in the squad are Lee Chong Wei, Wong Choong Hann and Hafiz Hashim while Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah, Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong and Zakry Latif-Fairuzizuan Tazari were the pairs picked.

BAM's decision to name Kuan Beng Hong as a reserve in 2006 backfired as the shuttler, who replaced the injured Choong Hann in the semi-final against Denmark, failed in the decisive third singles.

"Arif is a promising player, consistent and can withstand pressure while Tsuen Seng's fitness and performance are unknown at the moment.

"We wanted to select a player whose physical condition and mental strength are known to us. These were also the criteria which prompted us to name Tee Jing Yi in the Uber Cup squad."

Malaysia, who have a fighting chance of reaching the semi-finals in the Uber Cup, have named a relatively young squad.

Jing Yi, the national junior champion, was the obvious choice as the reserve singles as Anita Kaur has been inconsistent this year.

Wong Mew Choo, Julia Wong and Lydia Cheah are the top three singles players while Wong Pei Tty-Chin Eei Hui will lead the doubles.

Malaysia also named four other doubles players -- Lim Pek Siah, Ng Hui Lin, Goh Liu Ying and Woon Khe Wei.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Saturday/Sport/2223868/Article/index_html

[X Ball]

The Finalised Line-Up for both Thomas & Uber Cup :

THE SQUADS
THOMAS CUP
Singles: Lee Chong Wei, Wong Choong Hann, Mohd Hafiz Hashim, Mohd Arif Abdul Latif.
Doubles: Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah, Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong, Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif.

UBER CUP
Singles: Wong Mew Choo, Julia Wong, Lydia Cheah, Tee Jing Yee.
Doubles: Chin Eei Hui-Wong Pei Tty, Lim Pek Siah-Ng Hui Lin, Goh Liu Ying-Woon Khe Wei.

http://www.thestar.com.my/services/p...asp&sec=sports

__________________________________________________ _____________

In TC, Arif is the surprise 4th singles.
In Uber Tee JY is roped in as 4th singles considering her good performance in National GP. Lydia replaced Anita as 3rd singles, aft beating Kaori Maori she deserves it.


I prefer Arif to Tan Chun Seang at this point -- so I agree to the Singles lineup

[tjl_vanguard]

no matter who the line up is, malaysians will always support them! malaysia BOLEH!!! :D

[Felicia_txh]

I m oso quite surprise tat Arif was chose to be the 4th player!!I tink BAM hav their own reason..
As N9 ppl,I m proud of u Arif..:)

[olympic]

I was quite surprise with Arif's inclusion in the TC team and was speculating that TCS would be the MS4.
If BAM's reason is for the sake of the future of MAS badminton,then i think TCS should be the one selected in.TCS already 21 of age and he is the one would probably replace LCW's spot after few years time.At the age of TCS,CJ & SS already featuring in most of the major tournament,not to say TC.Being not selected this time,meaning another 2 years he has to wait.TCS should be groomed to a higher level tournament like representing in TC instead of staying stagnant like now.I'm not saying Arif is not good.Both players are improving a lot recently especially in the just concluded ABC.But the question is,is the more younger or inexperience Arif well prepared to shoulder the heavy burden? .

[Cheung]

The inclusion of Arif must be with one eye on the future. He can play and get some valuable experience for future campaigns. I don't know about his mental strength but some players may rise to the occasion and be the trump card. Very disappointed that HH got the vote over LTS. The BAM's reasoning is not sound. If they were serious about the Thomas cup, they would have already scouted out LTS performance's and watched him. Not just say, they didn't know about him. The guy is playing in the same city afterall....:rolleyes:

[samuel882]

The inclusion of Arif must be with one eye on the future. He can play and get some valuable experience for future campaigns. I don't know about his mental strength but some players may rise to the occasion and be the trump card. Very disappointed that HH got the vote over LTS. The BAM's reasoning is not sound. If they were serious about the Thomas cup, they would have already scouted out LTS performance's and watched him. Not just say, they didn't know about him. The guy is playing in the same city afterall....:rolleyes:
Knowing the facts of tough draws ahead : Korean for Group ties, INA for QF or CHN for Semis (If they topple Korea to qualify as B1). BAM might have another thought : Giving up on challenging the TC Trophy. Their ultimate goals is just reaching the semis as published in the press before..
Arif is mentally strong , just as TBH in doubles , they fear no one:rolleyes:
LTS doesn't have any impressive results shown this year if i m not mistaken.

[vching]

I completely disagree with BAM's decision to name Arif as their 4th singles. I can NOT imagine Arif playing as the 4th Singles for the Malaysian team, and managing to pull off a win against the more formidable opponents. Lee Tsuen Seng has experience playing (and upsetting) in the Thomas Cup, and other than his stamina, is a superb player.

The 4th singles is supposed to be a reserved player, hence, Tsuen Seng most probably will be only used for perhaps 1 game when any one of the players want to rest. Hence, he is the perfect player in Malaysia for that position - good skills, but low stamina is a perfect 4th singles player.

Skill wise, Arif is a good player, but Tsuen Seng is the obvious obvious choice. I have seen both play, and cannot see how Arif is the better choice.

Is BAM serious about winning the Thomas Cup, or are they just using it as a jumping board for the future? The Malaysian team are now going into the TC knowing that if any one of the Singles players are injured, they don't have a reliable chance.

This also increasing the pressure on the players to NOT go all out, and reducing the chances of an injury. They know that if they get injured, it is game over, while with Tsuen Seng, he still can work some of his 'magic'.

Bad choice BAM! Bad decision!

[samuel882]

And who knows, Koo Kien Keat will be featuring for MS3 if anyone is injured :D

[Cheung]

LTS doesn't have any impressive results shown this year if i m not mistaken.True, but who would you pick in the pressure situation? The guy with the fighting spirit or the guy with better technique?

[eaglehelang]

I completely disagree with BAM's decision to name Arif as their 4th singles. I can NOT imagine Arif playing as the 4th Singles for the Malaysian team, and managing to pull off a win against the more formidable opponents. Lee Tsuen Seng has experience playing (and upsetting) in the Thomas Cup, and other than his stamina, is a superb player.


........Bad choice BAM! Bad decision!

VChing, it's always BAM players 1st bf KLRC. Can see the trend when they named Yeoh Kay Bin instead of Lee TS for ABC.
So it was actually between TCS aka monkey & Arif. I thought they would choose TCS him being more experienced but they went with Arif. If I'm not mistaken, TCS will go as sparring partner.

But like Samuel said, BAM looks like not intending to win the TC, so they decided to give exposure to the youngsters. 2 years time they have to play.

Btw, is TCS weaker player than Arif in terms of mental strength ? Or cos they know opponents havent seen much of Arif, anything happen to the 3 main MS & Arif plays, opponents wonder "who is this Arif from Msia ???" he he.

[robin7]

If I were Tan Chung Seang, I would be very pissed off. TCS is the same batch as CJ and CJ is representing CHN for OG but TCS who would be 23-24 then still has to wait for another 2 years for TC.

Undeniably, Arif is talented and young but he is only 21 on next TC.
The only reason I can think of why Arif was chosen over TCS is related to Hafiz and Fuzzy (Why? (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Malay)).

BAM is so biased and will pay for the price heavily....

[eaglehelang]

And who knows, Koo Kien Keat will be featuring for MS3 if anyone is injured :D


:D:D ya loh, KKK can be like superman, so no prob to play MS. TBH can partner Zakry or one of the uncles, switch the pairs around like Korea, Rexy said he's doing that in training to see who suits who.;)


Robin7, I already thought of that 1st thing but didnt want to post it in a public forum. Could see the signs in the coaches public statements. Either that or TCS pissed off Rashid Sidek somewhere along the line.
To be fair to Fuzzy pair, they are doing better than the 4th, 5th, 6th pair in terms of results, that's why Rexy chose them.

[vching]

I know that, but decided against spelling it out blatantly.

[robin7]

I already thought of that 1st thing but didnt want to post it in a public forum. Could see the signs in the coaches public statements. Either that or TCS pissed off Rashid Sidek somewhere along the line.
To be fair to Fuzzy pair, they are doing better than the 4th, 5th, 6th pair in terms of results, that's why Rexy chose them.
Well, Fuzzy deserve a place in the TC of course. Just forget about it if we were to depend on those people to deliver the deciding point. The Hashim brothers, e.g. fared poorly in TC history as far as deciding tie is concerned.

I just wanna say, it would be a great achievement for MAS to reach SF, final will be a upset win and winning is a miracle.:rolleyes:

[X Ball]

If I were Tan Chung Seang, I would be very pissed off. TCS is the same batch as CJ and CJ is representing CHN for OG but TCS who would be 23-24 then still has to wait for another 2 years for TC.

Undeniably, Arif is talented and young but he is only 21 on next TC.
The only reason I can think of why Arif was chosen over TCS is related to Hafiz and Fuzzy (Why? (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Malay)).

BAM is so biased and will pay for the price heavily....

Well I don't see it like you- TCS has not been impressive so far. If he goes in, it would just be another experience.

Our Thomas Cup chance is only if the seniors perform -- Arif would be warming the bench. Even if TCS is selected 4th singles player, he would also be warming the bench (and if he does get to play, Malaysia will not win).

[samuel882]

too many chances were given to TCS -- he started to represent MAS on the same age (or 1 year younger)?) as Arif , and yet no significant improvement or any outstanding results so far...

[ctjcad]

Well I don't see it like you- TCS has not been impressive so far. If he goes in, it would just be another experience.

Our Thomas Cup chance is only if the seniors perform -- Arif would be warming the bench. Even if TCS is selected 4th singles player, he would also be warming the bench (and if he does get to play, Malaysia will not win).
..might as well play one of their doubles players as the 4th MS, as well..;)

[eaglehelang]

too many chances were given to TCS -- he started to represent MAS on the same age (or 1 year younger)?) as Arif , and yet no significant improvement or any outstanding results so far...

Oh yeah Samuel, what's Arif's strengths that's better than TCS (other than "thinking player") ? I never really got to watch Arif in action since he was in junior tourneys. Maybe you saw sthing during National GP.


Race issue aside, the Abd Latif brothers are eager to prove themselves & are able to be more matured than team mates their age, Razif in XD & MD, Arif in MS.
Maybe they got some pointers from Zakry, Zakry's 25 & it's his 1st TC. Courageous Shortie must have told his younger bros : "Dont be fuzzy, see now me & partner is fuzzy pair, you must clear at all times.":D:p

[kenny7_2006]

i actually prefered Tan Chun Seang for the 4th slot, coz he has beaten Arif Latif in the National GP Finals.... and he also has notable wins over higher ranked players... and he's 21-22?

but of coz i wil still support Arif if he is called up 2 play... must be an absoulte nerve-wrecking experience...

[Han]

If you look at Malaysian lineup, we are not really that bad, we have 3 very solid MDs and 1 very solid MS. Putting Hafiz as 3rd single is not a bad choice as he's still able to fight against Shon Sheung Mo(KOR), Simon Santoso(INA), Chen Jin(CHN), Parson(DEN). The weak spot is MS2, I don't think veteran Choon Hann has any edge and the key is not to get injure else it will ne a disaster like last year where Arif have to be field as MS3. It doesn't seem like BAM will ever learn from previous lesson, LTS is a better player to go than Arif as he's still very capable to win as 3rd single than the unproven Arif. Just see what BAM had done to KBH's confidence after his debacle ... I hope history won't repeat itself!
Sit tight and enjoy the ride!

[jimbo]

I watched Arif playing in SO07 and not impressed with his play at all. He has no "weapons" to kill off opponents, he lacks of height and power, and definitely he has no tricky shots. Basically, his playing style is just like uncle Roslin, nothing special at all.

Talking about TCS, he lost tamely to PSH lately. He is not up to the mark yet and definitely not a good choice for TC.

I agree with BAM to give the youngsters instead of going along with the experience uncle LTS or KBH or YKB.

I think Hafiz will be fielded unless uncle Wong is injured. He is the weakest link in Msia line up and nobody expects a point from him. It could be a blessing in disguise :eek:

It's gonna be down to the wire if LCW snatches the first point. If he lost, Msia can kiss goodbye to TC :rolleyes:

Msia boleh...!!! See u in JKT

[vching]

why why why not Tsuen Seng!!

Mistake in 2006, now mistake in 2008!

If Tsuen Seng was fielded against Denmark in MS3 we would have had a better chance against Joachim!

[X Ball]

why why why not Tsuen Seng!!

Mistake in 2006, now mistake in 2008!

If Tsuen Seng was fielded against Denmark in MS3 we would have had a better chance against Joachim!


I remember Tsuen Seng was not playing well then. Tsun Seng improved early this year but seems to be playing 'so-so' now.

[george@chongwei]

i think its becoz of Tsuen SEng age factor now:(

[jasonmarc]

I think Mas chances in 2nd and 3rd. MS are not high........so its a good thing to bring up junior......than just keep relying on thoes uncles....roslin and LTS......

[Pemuda]

Well, the Thomas Cup is coming soon, people are speculating about the probable lineups, what do you think would be your ideal lineup this year?

Singles:
Lee Chong Wei
Wong Choong Han
Lee Tsuen Seng
Yeoh Kay Bin or Tan Chung Seang or Mohd Arif Abdul Latif

Doubles:
Choong Tan Fook - Lee Wan Wah
Koo Kean Keat - Tan Boon Heong
Chan Chong Ming - Chew Choon Eng

The reason for kicking out the Hashim brothers is because we shouldn't be including them because one has won the illusive All England years ago and another, a former world no 1. They've just not been performing, so they're not reliable to play even as 3rd singles (against Chen Jin or Chen Yu or Chen Hong of China, Simon Santoso of Indonesia, Shon Seong Mo of Korea and Joachin Persson of Denmark). The 4th singles between Yeoh Kay Bin, Mohd Arif and Tan Chun Seang, Kay Bin is a senior player and a capable and more experienced, and if they need someone young to gain experience, then it'll be Tan Chun Seang or Mohd Arif Abdul Latif.

As for the doubles, why not the proven combination of Chan Chong Ming - Chew Choon Eng who're regaining their former prowess? We need someone who could step up and take the place of Koo Kean Keat - Tan Boon Heong in case they perform disastrously (again), Mohd Fairuzizuan - Mohd Zakry may be good but they're not consistent enough and they just don't have the quality to win against top opponents match after match. One match and one upset is okay, continuously defying the odds to win something is another, and in this case, Chan - Chew are definitely better. There are lots of quality second doubles out there... (Luluk Hadiyanto - Alven Yulianto or Joko Riyadi - Hendra Gunawan of Indonesia, Hwang Ji Man - Lee Jae Jin of S Korea, remembering that they could split the partnerships and be just as strong, Jens Eriksen - Martin Lundgaard Hansen and Mathias Boe - Marsten Mogensen of Denmark, Guo Zhendong - Xie Zhongbo of China).

What would be my ideal lineup?? Well, I will go for the practical side of the business. Realistically, lets not kid ourselves that we are gonna win the Thomas Cup. So, with that I will go for youth. I will have LCW as 1st singles, drop WCH and LTS and have them replaced with youngsters. In the doubles, I will drop the oldies i.e. LWW/CTF & CCE/CCM and let KKK/TBH stay home to train. My doubles will be juniors.

May as well invest in the future.

[olympic]

TC unlike other open tournaments,players who compete in TC must be really ready cope with pressure.Whether the player is skillful or talented just not enough.Experinece and mentality strength play an important role here.Hopefully history will not repeat and Arif will not be another KBH.

[jimbo]

What would be my ideal lineup?? Well, I will go for the practical side of the business. Realistically, lets not kid ourselves that we are gonna win the Thomas Cup. So, with that I will go for youth. I will have LCW as 1st singles, drop WCH and LTS and have them replaced with youngsters. In the doubles, I will drop the oldies i.e. LWW/CTF & CCE/CCM and let KKK/TBH stay home to train. My doubles will be juniors.

May as well invest in the future.

Talk is cheap coz u r NOT in the "hot" seat. Tell Rexy ur plan and he will tell u that he is most likely to pack and go home (INA). So, u r not being practical but illusive.

I agree to invest in the youth for our future but TC is too big a stake to risk as far as the nation's pride is concerned.

[Pemuda]

Talk is cheap coz u r NOT in the "hot" seat. Tell Rexy ur plan and he will tell u that he is most likely to pack and go home (INA). So, u r not being practical but illusive.

I agree to invest in the youth for our future but TC is too big a stake to risk as far as the nation's pride is concerned.

This is a badminton forum and I am merely giving my opinion. And yes, I am not in the "hot seat". Are you?

Care to explain how am I being illusive?

What stake do we have in this TC? Are we gonna win it?

[jimbo]

This is a badminton forum and I am merely giving my opinion. And yes, I am not in the "hot seat". Are you?

Care to explain how am I being illusive?

What stake do we have in this TC? Are we gonna win it?

None of us is in the hot seat but there's common sense we r talking about.

We may not win the TC but we should give them (INA or CHN or KOR) a good run of money with our senior team (except Arif). Thats making perfect sense and most of us could agree with the selection (except Arif). But I do agree with BAM for the selection (read my other post).

No, Msia will NOT win the TC. Not even INA or KOR is confident to beat CHN, so NO, Msia will NOT win. But that doesnt mean to gamble with those youngsters and pull out KKK/TBH. Too much for the youngster to crunch :rolleyes:

[eaglehelang]

It has been announced that the target for the Msia Thomas Cup team is Semi Finals, anything less is not good.

1st they must go thru South Korea, if they lose, face Indonesia in QF. If they win against Korea, face China in Semis, tough draw this time, so BAM send best line up.
Even with this best line up, if they meet Indonesia in QF on home ground, (could be advantage or dis-advantage for Indonesia players as has been seen in tourneys held there), they might not get pass the home team.... which will be seen as failure to the sporting authorities, esp bf OG.

Korea, though they say they're thinking of sending keep their top MS home for training, will most probably send best line up too. Anything less will be seen as insult to the spirit of TC. hints of it happened during TC qualifiers when Korea named weird line-up.

[olympic]

Invest in the youth for our future,yes.But not in TC.It is too risking.I believe even the 'big gun' like China won't take the risk in TC. MAS may not win the TC but the players definitely will give a good fight,for sure.

[jimbo]

Invest in the youth for our future,yes.But not in TC.It is too risking.I believe even the 'big gun' like China won't take the risk in TC. MAS may not win the TC but the players definitely will give a good fight,for sure.

haha... wise men think alike... haha :p

[olympic]

Yeah,anything less will be seen as insult to the spirit of TC.Traditionally,the 'big 5' were sending the best lineup in every edition of the TC.It is about the pride of nation. Thomas/Uber Cup=Badminton. We badminton supporters can't wait for the TC battle to begin.

[jimbo]

Yeah,anything less will be seen as insult to the spirit of TC.Traditionally,the 'big 5' were sending the best lineup in every edition of the TC.It is about the pride of nation. Thomas/Uber Cup=Badminton. We badminton supporters can't wait for the TC battle to begin.

Yes, but I heard the rumour that KOR will NOT send their two MD pairs for TC. :eek: Is this true? IF yes, is IBF going to do something about it? :eek:

[olympic]

Yes, but I heard the rumour that KOR will NOT send their two MD pairs for TC. :eek: Is this true? IF yes, is IBF going to do something about it? :eek:

Maybe only a mind game from the Korean,who knows?

[olympic]

Yes, but I heard the rumour that KOR will NOT send their two MD pairs for TC. :eek: Is this true? IF yes, is IBF going to do something about it? :eek:

Maybe only a mind game from the Korean,who knows?The chances are there for the Korean in this edition of TC.KOR team is much more solid this time,based on their current superb performance.I would rate their chances even higher compare MAS and DEN.Thus,i don't think they will let slip this golen opportunity. If KOR really not sending their best line up to Jakarta.Hmmm...is BWF going to do something?Any idea?Anybody?

[Pemuda]

None of us is in the hot seat but there's common sense we r talking about.

We may not win the TC but we should give them (INA or CHN or KOR) a good run of money with our senior team (except Arif). Thats making perfect sense and most of us could agree with the selection (except Arif). But I do agree with BAM for the selection (read my other post).

No, Msia will NOT win the TC. Not even INA or KOR is confident to beat CHN, so NO, Msia will NOT win. But that doesnt mean to gamble with those youngsters and pull out KKK/TBH. Too much for the youngster to crunch :rolleyes:

If you are on the subject of common sense, then I suggest you drop your; "Talk is cheap coz u r NOT in the "hot" seat. Tell Rexy ur plan and he will tell u that he is most likely to pack and go home (INA)" ... because that statement was more like a childish rant than basic common sense. :rolleyes:

When you say we may give Ind, China and Korea a good run with our senior team, I beg to differ. I am sorry, we got no depth in our singles as compared to Indo, China & Korea. Furthermore, LCW's mentality is suspect especially when the pressure is great. WCH is past his sell by date already while LTS is a non-entity. In the doubles, we got LWW/CTF who is already past their prime while KKK/TBH has lost the plot and is struggling to find their way back.

If we are not gonna win the TC this time round, we may as well invest in the future by sending in our juniors. After all if we send our senior team, we are still gonna get a beating, may as well send the juniors so that they can get the exposure and experience for the next TC campaign. Thats common sense.

[Pemuda]

To set the semis as our target is actually a low target. In short BAM set a mickey mouse target. As a major badminton playing nation, Msia's target should be the final.

This semis target proved that BAM got no confidence in the Msian team. As such, they should invest in the future and throw in the juniors instead.

[vching]

a discussion on malaysian badminton is never complete without the usual pessimistic comment from Pemuda.

[jimbo]

a discussion on malaysian badminton is never complete without the usual pessimistic comment from Pemuda.

:eek::eek::eek: BAM sets "Mickey Mouse" target for this TC, he said. :eek::eek::eek:

:D:D We (those going to JKT to watch TC) are going to Disneyland? :p:p

[Pemuda]

a discussion on malaysian badminton is never complete without the usual pessimistic comment from Pemuda.

Really ... tell me, honestly, you really think we are going to take that Thomas Cup home with this batch of shuttlers??

[Pemuda]

:eek::eek::eek: BAM sets "Mickey Mouse" target for this TC, he said. :eek::eek::eek:

:D:D We (those going to JKT to watch TC) are going to Disneyland? :p:p

Well, do celebrate when Malaysia make only the semis then. Celebrate making the semis as if you won the TC.

For all the money invested into the game, it is unbelieveable to see fellow Malaysians having low expectations.

[jimbo]

Really ... tell me, honestly, you really think we are going to take that Thomas Cup home with this batch of shuttlers??

Relak anak Teranganu... relak abang... we (anak msia) should always support our Msia team though we know they have virtually ZERO chance to bring the TC back home... but we should be proud if we could at least enter SF (that's also very tough) if they meet KOR in QF :eek:

so, Msia Boleh... ya :p

[jimbo]

Well, do celebrate when Malaysia make only the semis then. Celebrate making the semis as if you won the TC.

For all the money invested into the game, it is unbelieveable to see fellow Malaysians having low expectations.

Honestly, I'll be celeberating in JKT if Msia enters SF :eek:

Take it easy... did u ever work in SG? it seems that u hv the same mentality as them. (OK, we shall not elaborate on this off-topic discussion) :p

[Pemuda]

Relak anak Teranganu... relak abang... we (anak msia) should always support our Msia team though we know they have virtually ZERO chance to bring the TC back home... but we should be proud if we could at least enter SF (that's also very tough) if they meet KOR in QF :eek:

so, Msia Boleh... ya :p

I support Malaysia, dont get me wrong, dude. Since you also acknowledged that Malaysia got "virtually ZERO" chance in hell to win that Thomas Cup, we may as well plan for the future. And planning for the future means the juniors/youngsters etc. I am for sending them to the TC so that they can get the exposure for the next TC campaign. We are gonna get beaten anyway, as such may as well send a young team so that they can learn. Thats common sense.

Proud to enter SF??? No, our target should be the final, period.

And no, Malaysia is not boleh. When was the last time we won that TC? Do we have a WC or an Olympic gold??? Malaysia boleh is nothing but empty rhetorics. ;)

And by the way, you live and work in Singapore, right? So, dude macam mane nak support your Malaysia Boleh when you live and work elsewhere?? :p

[Pemuda]

Honestly, I'll be celeberating in JKT if Msia enters SF :eek:

Take it easy... did u ever work in SG? it seems that u hv the same mentality as them. (OK, we shall not elaborate on this off-topic discussion) :p

Most Malaysians will be estatic should Msia make only the semis. They will celebrate as if Malaysia won the world cup or something. Maybe we should reward our shuttlers big time when they win the Phillippines Open, Brunei Open or the Ethopia Open.

As for your Singapore thingy, we, Malaysia should be ashamed when we look at that tiny little dot of a Singapore.

[ctjcad]

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If we are not gonna win the TC this time round, we may as well invest in the future by sending in our juniors. After all if we send our senior team, we are still gonna get a beating, may as well send the juniors so that they can get the exposure and experience for the next TC campaign. Thats common sense.
..to the route the KOR team had taken in last yr's Sudirman Cup or even 2 yrs ago in the Thomas & Uber Cup. This yr, so far with their results, they're reaping the experiences.:cool:

[Pemuda]

..to the route the KOR team had taken in last yr's Sudirman Cup or even 2 yrs ago in the Thomas & Uber Cup. This yr, so far with their results, they're reaping the experiences.:cool:

To copy the Koreans is actually not a bad thing to do. There is nothing wrong in learning from others. After all, the Koreans have been successful in badminton as compared to Malaysia despite the money our government inject into the sport and all those Malaysia Boleh chants and chest thumping.

[vching]

Really ... tell me, honestly, you really think we are going to take that Thomas Cup home with this batch of shuttlers??

I think it is hard, but absolutely yes. I have every faith in our players. If even Malaysians don't believe that Malaysia can win, how is Malaysia going to win? Its The Secret - Believe in it and you attract positive 'energy'. Believe in it and you might just do it. But if you don't believe in it, you definitely won't be able to do it.

So what harm is there in believing?

[vching]

Most Malaysians will be estatic should Msia make only the semis. They will celebrate as if Malaysia won the world cup or something. Maybe we should reward our shuttlers big time when they win the Phillippines Open, Brunei Open or the Ethopia Open.

As for your Singapore thingy, we, Malaysia should be ashamed when we look at that tiny little dot of a Singapore.

We should be ashamed. Malaysia has so much natural and human resources, so much promise. I blame it on our current administration but I won't elaborate.

I know I will be bitterly disappointed if Malaysia don't get into the finals, and go on to win.

[Pemuda]

I think it is hard, but absolutely yes. I have every faith in our players. If even Malaysians don't believe that Malaysia can win, how is Malaysia going to win? Its The Secret - Believe in it and you attract positive 'energy'. Believe in it and you might just do it. But if you don't believe in it, you definitely won't be able to do it.

So what harm is there in believing?

Is it not that I dont have faith with our current shuttlers, I am just being realistic. And our current batch is no Thomas Cup winners. I am sorry, I am just a realistic person. We can all sit in a circle, close our eyes, hold hands and be positive and let all those positive chi or energy flow 24/7, Malaysia will still not take home that Thomas Cup.

[vching]

Is it not that I dont have faith with our current shuttlers, I am just being realistic. And our current batch is no Thomas Cup winners. I am sorry, I am just a realistic person. We can all sit in a circle, close our eyes, hold hands and be positive and let all those positive chi or energy flow 24/7, Malaysia will still not take home that Thomas Cup.

I think your first sentence contradicts your second sentence. Having faith means believing in your players no matter the circumstances.

You better damn well hope that Malaysia don't get the Thomas Cup... :p:p:p

[Pemuda]

I think your first sentence contradicts your second sentence. Having faith means believing in your players no matter the circumstances.

You better damn well hope that Malaysia don't get the Thomas Cup... :p:p:p

Well in that case, I dont believe our shuttlers have the skills and mental toughness to take that Thomas Cup.

Trust me la, we wont win that TC la. We will go to Jakarta, make some noise, shout Malaysia Boleh here and there and we will go home empty handed.

[vching]

Well in that case, I dont believe our shuttlers have the skills and mental toughness to take that Thomas Cup.

Trust me la, we wont win that TC la. We will go to Jakarta, make some noise, shout Malaysia Boleh here and there and we will go home empty handed.

I think Malaysia has all the skills to take the Thomas Cup but not good enough mental strength. However, hopefully they can overcome it.

As I say, you better damn well hope that Malaysia don't bring home the cup.

[Pemuda]

I think Malaysia has all the skills to take the Thomas Cup but not good enough mental strength. However, hopefully they can overcome it.

As I say, you better damn well hope that Malaysia don't bring home the cup.

We dont have depth in our singles department. Should LCW get beaten (which is possible as the lad is rather weak mentally), our 2nd & 3rd singles are pretty much paper weight in both the skills and mental side of things.

I say it again, I dont need to hope. The only thing our shuttlers will be bringing back from Jakarta are a couple of t-shirts as souvenirs , not the Thomas Cup.

[modious]

Nothing is impossible IMO.

I'm not a Malaysian but I cannot understand why Pemuda is so pessimistic. The top few nations all stand a chance to win the TC..... but of course countries like China, Indonesia and Korea seems to stand a better chance of winning it.

However, just take a look at the UEFA Euro 2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_UEFA_European_Football_Championship). Can you tell me who in the right frame of mind will take Greece to win the championships???

You have to believe in and support your country's TC squad irregardless of how small the chances of winning it is. Nothing is cast in stone till the matches begin. The shuttle is triangular..... ermm..... just like the ball is round. :D

Anything can happen. ;)


A few more examples:

1. Poul-Erik Høyer Larsen winning the Olympic Gold in 1996 at a ripe age of 31.

2. Hendrawan (29 yrs old in 2001) winning the World Championships in 2001 defeating Taufik and Peter Gade, who were the 2 top (in-form) players at that time. Of course he had some luck with Taufik injuring himself in the 3rd set of the semis, but luck is something which all Champions have.

3. Ronald Susilo defeating Lin Dan in the 2004 Olympics first round.

4. Park Sung Hwan defeating Sony Diwi Kuncoro and then Chen Jin in the recent ABC/BAC. He too, had luck in his SF and F matches at decisive points.

At 19-19, Sony smashed long, enabling PSH to wrap up the game from there.

After an amazing fightback from being 11-19 down to trailing by just one point (18-19), Chen Jin made a huge error by tapping the ball out when it was there for the taking.... handing PSH the match point.



But of course, the main thing is that the Malaysian TC squad themselves must believe that they can do it. Otherwise, mentally they are already defeated. Their supporters should stand behind them!

[vching]

We dont have depth in our singles department. Should LCW get beaten (which is possible as the lad is rather weak mentally), our 2nd & 3rd singles are pretty much paper weight in both the skills and mental side of things.

I say it again, I dont need to hope. The only thing our shuttlers will be bringing back from Jakarta are a couple of t-shirts as souvenirs , not the Thomas Cup.

Choong Hann's skills are not bad. His only enemy is his stamina.

Hafiz's skills are actually really good, but his mental strength lets him down. Our 2nd and 3rd singles can pull suprises. Malaysia is well known for that in TC.

[jimbo]

I say it again, I dont need to hope. The only thing our shuttlers will be bringing back from Jakarta are a couple of t-shirts as souvenirs , not the Thomas Cup.

I think the souvenirs are collectable and my SG baddies asked me to buy few TC/UC t-shirt for them. Yes, they all wish Msia good luck (they are NOT msians) and I appreciate this kinda "bilateral" relationship :p

Sometimes, we should enjoy the journey more than the destination. I once played at competitive level (NEVER won any tourney) but I enjoyed the trainings as much as the competitive matches... So, just relax n enjoy the TC ride with our fellow msians, will ya? and Msia Boleh, ok :D

[vching]

But of course, the main thing is that the Malaysian TC squad themselves must believe that they can do it. Otherwise, mentally they are already defeated. Their supporters should stand behind them!

Hear that Pemuda?

But of course. You are not a Malaysian supporter. I don't know who you support... I just know you oppose Malaysia.

[Pemuda]

Nothing is impossible IMO.

I'm not a Malaysian but I cannot understand why Pemuda is so pessimistic. The top few nations all stand a chance to win the TC..... but of course countries like China, Indonesia and Korea seems to stand a better chance of winning it.

However, just take a look at the UEFA Euro 2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_UEFA_European_Football_Championship). Can you tell me who in the right frame of mind will take Greece to win the championships???

You have to believe in and support your country's TC squad irregardless of how small the chances of winning it is. Nothing is cast in stone till the matches begin. The shuttle is triangular..... ermm..... just like the ball is round. :D

Anything can happen. ;)


A few more examples:

1. Poul-Erik Høyer Larsen winning the Olympic Gold in 1996 at a ripe age of 31.

2. Hendrawan (29 yrs old in 2001) winning the World Championships in 2001 defeating Taufik and Peter Gade, who were the 2 top (in-form) players at that time. Of course he had some luck with Taufik injuring himself in the 3rd set of the semis, but luck is something which all Champions have.

3. Ronald Susilo defeating Lin Dan in the 2004 Olympics first round.

4. Park Sung Hwan defeating Sony Diwi Kuncoro and then Chen Jin in the recent ABC/BAC. He too, had luck in his SF and F matches at decisive points.

At 19-19, Sony smashed long, enabling PSH to wrap up the game from there.

After an amazing fightback from being 11-19 down to trailing by just one point (18-19), Chen Jin made a huge error by tapping the ball out when it was there for the taking.... handing PSH the match point.



But of course, the main thing is that the Malaysian TC squad themselves must believe that they can do it. Otherwise, mentally they are already defeated. Their supporters should stand behind them!

I like it when someone talk about football .... ok then, please take a look at European football ... infact take a look at the World Cup, Champions League etc ... how many actually did a "Greece"?? Look at the WC for example, do you find Brunei or Congo ever winning the WC??

Paul Erik Hoyer Larsen, for your info was no pushover. He won the All England twice back to back in 95 & 96. ;)

Hendrawan is Indonesian and Park Sung Hwan is Korean. Look at Indonesia & Korea achievements in badminton. Look at their Olympic gold medals and WCs in their cabinet. They have the pedigree.

[Pemuda]

Choong Hann's skills are not bad. His only enemy is his stamina.

Hafiz's skills are actually really good, but his mental strength lets him down. Our 2nd and 3rd singles can pull suprises. Malaysia is well known for that in TC.

No stamina and mental toughness how la to compete against the big boys? :o Maybe we should get China, Indo, Korea and Denmark give us some form of a handicap as in golf. Use the Malaysian subsidy mentality model, eh? :p

[ctjcad]

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Paul Erik Hoyer Larsen, for your info was no pushover. He won the All England twice back to back in 95 & 96. ;)
...
..okay, it's fixed..:cool:

[Pemuda]

I think the souvenirs are collectable and my SG baddies asked me to buy few TC/UC t-shirt for them. Yes, they all wish Msia good luck (they are NOT msians) and I appreciate this kinda "bilateral" relationship :p

Sometimes, we should enjoy the journey more than the destination. I once played at competitive level (NEVER won any tourney) but I enjoyed the trainings as much as the competitive matches... So, just relax n enjoy the TC ride with our fellow msians, will ya? and Msia Boleh, ok :D

Just like our astronaut, eh?? Sit back and enjoy the trip.

[Pemuda]

Hear that Pemuda?

But of course. You are not a Malaysian supporter. I don't know who you support... I just know you oppose Malaysia.

I support Malaysia. I support us sending our juniors to Jakarta so that we can build for the future.

I do not support Malaysia Boleh because it is empty talk.

I do not support our sport bodies being run and managed by politicians.

[samuel882]

I like it when someone talk about football .... ok then, please take a look at European football ... infact take a look at the World Cup, Champions League etc ... how many actually did a "Greece"?? Look at the WC for example, do you find Brunei or Congo ever winning the WC??

Paul Erik Hoyer Larsen, for your info was no pushover. He won the All England twice back to back in 95 & 96. ;)

Hendrawan is Indonesian and Park Sung Hwan is Korean. Look at Indonesia & Korea achievements in badminton. Look at their Olympic gold medals and WCs in their cabinet. They have the pedigree.
It was not appropriate to compare Brunei/Congo for wining the World Cup in football as in MAS chances in wining the Thomas Cup.
U should rate chances for Nigeria/Nepal in wining the thomas cup instead. As the "greece" trilogy : Do u think KOO/TAN actually did a GREECE when wining the AE last year. Look at what did greece achieve during the last edition of WC in Germany then...

[eaglehelang]

Relak anak Teranganu... relak abang... we (anak msia) should always support our Msia team though we know they have virtually ZERO chance to bring the TC back home... but we should be proud if we could at least enter SF (that's also very tough) if they meet KOR in QF :eek:

so, Msia Boleh... ya :p

Hiyaaa Jimbo, already said in the other thread, they ARE going up against Korea in group match. Msia is same group with England & Korea.
After that it's either Indonesia in QF or China in Semi, depending if they win against Korea.
It's an insult to the spirit of TC if Korea send 2nd stringers to TC finals, just depends how Korea views their relationship with other participating countries. Even baddy powerhouse China is sending the best, lose face if China cant defend the title.

Of course we believe is one thing, the players themselves must believe in themselves, against all the constant criticism, which happens 2 to 3 times a week, thoughout the year, whether win or lose.
It is not as some think Msia fans will celebrate if the TC team get into Semis(dunno why aft all the press write ups posted, some still think so), it'll just be neutral, even if they beat home team Indonesia to get there No praises if they win a tie, if they lose, all hell will break loose.

He he, things beyond logical thought does & has happened bf in real life (and i mean really impossible stuff),so.... :D;).

[modious]

I like it when someone talk about football .... ok then, please take a look at European football ... infact take a look at the World Cup, Champions League etc ... how many actually did a "Greece"?? Look at the WC for example, do you find Brunei or Congo ever winning the WC??

Paul Erik Hoyer Larsen, for your info was no pushover. He won the All England twice back to back in 95 & 96. ;)

Hendrawan is Indonesian and Park Sung Hwan is Korean. Look at Indonesia & Korea achievements in badminton. Look at their Olympic gold medals and WCs in their cabinet. They have the pedigree.

There is always a first time for everything. Well, Denmark winning the Euro 92 wasn't expected either.

I agree with you that PEHL is a proven great. In fact, he is one of my favourite badminton players of the early 90s.

But I do agree with you that Malaysia always seem to come out short at the last hurdle. Many a times they have came out second best. But haven't Malaysia won the TC 4 times in the past?

[vching]

No stamina and mental toughness how la to compete against the big boys? :o Maybe we should get China, Indo, Korea and Denmark give us some form of a handicap as in golf. Use the Malaysian subsidy mentality model, eh? :p

I was making the point that we have the skills, but not the mental strength.

[samuel882]

The Finalised Line-Up for both Thomas & Uber Cup :

THE SQUADS
THOMAS CUP
Singles: Lee Chong Wei, Wong Choong Hann, Mohd Hafiz Hashim, Mohd Arif Abdul Latif.
Doubles: Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah, Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong, Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif.

UBER CUP
Singles: Wong Mew Choo, Julia Wong, Lydia Cheah, Tee Jing Yee.
Doubles: Chin Eei Hui-Wong Pei Tty, Lim Pek Siah-Ng Hui Lin, Goh Liu Ying-Woon Khe Wei.

http://www.thestar.com.my/services/p...asp&sec=sports

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In TC, Arif is the surprise 4th singles.
In Uber Tee JY is roped in as 4th singles considering her good performance in National GP. Lydia replaced Anita as 3rd singles, aft beating Kaori Maori she deserves it.
Goh Liu suffered a serious knee injury and has been dropped from Uber Cup squad. She will be replaced by either Chong Sook Chin (YES!:D) or Lin yin Loo....

[eaglehelang]

Goh Liu suffered a serious knee injury and has been dropped from Uber Cup squad. She will be replaced by either Chong Sook Chin (YES!:D) or Lin yin Loo....

How you know? TV news announce? Who's Loo Lin Yin??
He he, me knows, Samuel like to see Chong SC play, he he, she also quite pretty ;);)

[jasonmarc]

How you know? TV news announce? Who's Loo Lin Yin??
He he, me knows, Samuel like to see Chong SC play, he he, she also quite pretty ;);)

Really....i havent seen her play yet......Mas Women players also have cuties meh..?....good to hear that...:D:D

[Jessica]

Really....i havent seen her play yet......Mas Women players also have cuties meh..?....good to hear that...:D:D
Aiyo Jason..You only like cuties har...:D:D:p

[samuel882]

How you know? TV news announce? Who's Loo Lin Yin??
He he, me knows, Samuel like to see Chong SC play, he he, she also quite pretty ;);)
Lin Yin Loo normally played in XD partnered with Chang Hun Pin;) Doesnt seems like having a regular partner in WD yet. :o
Chong SC is very cute indeed :D IF she paired up with Ng hui Lin, it will be a very entertaining formation with their offensive style of play;)

[eaglehelang]

Chong SC is very cute indeed :D IF she paired up with Ng hui Lin, it will be a very entertaining formation with their offensive style of play;)

That can only happen if Lim Pek Siah is injured. Hui Lin partner the senior Lim PS mah. Khe Wei supposed to partner Goh LY, now Chong or Lin. Most probably Chong SC, she's spunky & also plays WD. But they are reserve WD, unless one of the other 4 WD got injured.
Also got Tee JY, she did well with Lydia Cheah in WD in National GP.

[AlanY]

I can't understand why some people think Malaysia don't have a chance to win the TC. Obviously it's not going to be easy. Both LCW and KKK/TBH are capable to score 1 point each on a good day. WCH and CTF/LWW should have a 50/50 chance to score a point. So, with a bit of luck this is your 3 points! So com'n, give your team the support they needed and deserved.

[eaglehelang]

Some would say those who think Msia can win TC are "dreaming" & unrealistic (in- directly = stupid fools). So, after some time no point to say much, lets just wait & see, enjoy the matches. Of course we support, some will cheer at the stadium, some at home.


Samuel - you got your wish, Chong SC's name is listed in Uber Cup list in the other thread,

[lipans]

Malaysia hope lies on the third single. Like last TC, last single ditermine the outcome of the squad. If MAS can field HH as third single player, the chance for MAS to win is quite good since he is proven good in team event.
It is because, we have 3 chance of getting points (LCW, CTF/LWW and KKK/TBH). Should one of these 3 lose, it is all up to HH. But, hopefully WCH will not injured like last TC that ruins all our plan to win.

[X Ball]

Malaysia hope lies on the third single. Like last TC, last single ditermine the outcome of the squad. If MAS can field HH as third single player, the chance for MAS to win is quite good since he is proven good in team event.
It is because, we have 3 chance of getting points (LCW, CTF/LWW and KKK/TBH). Should one of these 3 lose, it is all up to HH. But, hopefully WCH will not injured like last TC that ruins all our plan to win.

It is in the bag-- no worries.:D

[tjl_vanguard]

Really....i havent seen her play yet......Mas Women players also have cuties meh..?....good to hear that...:D:D
come on.. wad bout our Choo Choo train?? hahaha :D

[tjl_vanguard]

Aiyo Jason..You only like cuties har...:D:D:p
don b jealous ok Jess... :D

[tjl_vanguard]

It is in the bag-- no worries.:D
tats da way brother!! :D

[tjl_vanguard]

Malaysia hope lies on the third single. Like last TC, last single ditermine the outcome of the squad. If MAS can field HH as third single player, the chance for MAS to win is quite good since he is proven good in team event.
It is because, we have 3 chance of getting points (LCW, CTF/LWW and KKK/TBH). Should one of these 3 lose, it is all up to HH. But, hopefully WCH will not injured like last TC that ruins all our plan to win.
in reality, only LCW n KKK/TBH have chances to score it big.. CTF/LWW might as well if they play it out right!! if comes to 3rd singles, HH might have da chance too!! jus kinda worried bout WCH! :(

[limsy]

I can't understand why some people think Malaysia don't have a chance to win the TC. Obviously it's not going to be easy. Both LCW and KKK/TBH are capable to score 1 point each on a good day. WCH and CTF/LWW should have a 50/50 chance to score a point. So, with a bit of luck this is your 3 points! So com'n, give your team the support they needed and deserved.

atleast i didnt say never for malaysia TC champions posible...and yet...ina,korea and malaysia can bet china...

[robin7]

Prepare for the worst but hope for the best. Keeping our expectation low doesn't mean to undermine our players. But we'll be much happier if MAS does win.

[Pemuda]

There is always a first time for everything. Well, Denmark winning the Euro 92 wasn't expected either.

I agree with you that PEHL is a proven great. In fact, he is one of my favourite badminton players of the early 90s.

But I do agree with you that Malaysia always seem to come out short at the last hurdle. Many a times they have came out second best. But haven't Malaysia won the TC 4 times in the past?

Yes, Denmark pulled a major surprise back in Euro 92. But if you look back at the tournament history since 1960, only Denmark and Greece beat the odds.

But I do agree in sports sometimes the unexpected will happen BUT not with this Malaysia TC team, I am sorry.

Yes, Malaysia have won the TC 4 times, the last time being in 1992 ... ages ago. For a country where the government invest $$$ every year, having only 4 TC to show is actually a poor return on investment.

[Jagdpanther]

For a country where the government invest $$$ every year, having only 4 TC to show is actually a poor return on investment.
Are you comparing BAM with our ill-budgeted PBSI?:)

[olympic]

Many would think that WCH is the weak link in MAS team but don't under estimate him.He has so much experience playing in TC,this is his 6th time representing MAS in TC.his fighting spirit and never say die attitude would contribute a point for the MAS team.

[kenny7_2006]

Yes, Malaysia have won the TC 4 times, the last time being in 1992 ... ages ago. For a country where the government invest $$$ every year, having only 4 TC to show is actually a poor return on investment.


erm, isn't it 5 times? :rolleyes: :D

[george@chongwei]

Many would think that WCH is the weak link in MAS team but don't under estimate him.He has so much experience playing in TC,this is his 6th time representing MAS in TC.his fighting spirit and never say die attitude would contribute a point for the MAS team.
yeah, all the best to uncle wong in this tournament!!!
jia you wong choong hann!!!:):D

[Pemuda]

erm, isn't it 5 times? :rolleyes: :D

Sorry ... yes 5 times. But still a poor return with the last one being in 92.
Malaysia Boleh!

[Pemuda]

Are you comparing BAM with our ill-budgeted PBSI?:)

Too compare with your "ill-budgeted" PBSI would be even more painful for despite your "ill-budgeted", you lot won 13 TCs.

[Dreamzz]

i don't think it's all doom and gloom.
i'm sure the amount of funding the DEN and KOR team gets is comparable, but they still haven't managed to win the TC.
admittedly DEN have been very unlucky on several occasions in the past when they had good chances to break their duck.

[limsy]

hmm...money is not equal to result...just like real madrid(for 2003-2005/6) and barca(2007-2008 onward...)...

[AlanY]

hmm...money is not equal to result...just like real madrid(for 2003-2005/6) and barca(2007-2008 onward...)...
and how much of the england football team cost? say no more.

[Pemuda]

i don't think it's all doom and gloom.
i'm sure the amount of funding the DEN and KOR team gets is comparable, but they still haven't managed to win the TC.
admittedly DEN have been very unlucky on several occasions in the past when they had good chances to break their duck.

I really doubt the Danish government reward their shuttlers financially. They (Danish shuttlers) have got to secure their own sponsors and all, unlike MAS. Our Msia government is really supportive as there are various reward schemes for titles won with that Olympic gold being the biggest jackpot i.e. RM1.0 million.

As for Korea, 30 years ago they were miles behind Msia. But not anymore, they have caught up with us. I may even say that the Koreans have overtaken us.

Yes, both Korea and Denmark have yet to win the TC ... but they are getting close with Denmark featuring in the last two finals i.e. 04 & 06.

Anyway, both Denmark and Korea have won the Olympic gold and WC while Malaysia is still showing a big zero despite our big funding of the game etc.

[Pemuda]

hmm...money is not equal to result...just like real madrid(for 2003-2005/6) and barca(2007-2008 onward...)...

What about Chelsea and Manchester United?

[X Ball]

Money is the most important incentive to a player. In Indonesia, the country may not be as rich but whatever money is given to players, they want it badly and the only way is to achieve. In Malaysia, the players are also keen on incentives to perform. LCW would not have won so many and kept at it if it wasn't the rick incentives. It is all relative.

[jimbo]

If I'm not mistaken, the 1992 Msia "Dream Team" members were awared coolz RM$1mil, a sports car (i think porsche) and a land (i think one hect). Honestly, I think that's reasonable rewards for all their sacrifices to our nation. :)

If u look at EPL player, some of them making GBP$100k/week!!! :eek:

Really hope our Msia team will bring back the 1992 glory... Msia Boleh :D

[Pemuda]

If I'm not mistaken, the 1992 Msia "Dream Team" members were awared coolz RM$1mil, a sports car (i think porsche) and a land (i think one hect). Honestly, I think that's reasonable rewards for all their sacrifices to our nation. :)

If u look at EPL player, some of them making GBP$100k/week!!! :eek:

Really hope our Msia team will bring back the 1992 glory... Msia Boleh :D

Ok, lets be honest the 1992 MAS team was no "Dream Team" because it fell apart after 1992. When the cash and land were all pocketed, success went to some of their heads and after a few years, we saw a few going bankrupt as well.

I personally have no problems with big cash rewards BUT I doubt such rewards can make our shuttlers bring back the TC because our shuttlers are not good enough technically and mentally.

[taufik-ist]

Ok, lets be honest the 1992 MAS team was no "Dream Team" because it fell apart after 1992. When the cash and land were all pocketed, success went to some of their heads and after a few years, we saw a few going bankrupt as well.

I personally have no problems with big cash rewards BUT I doubt such rewards can make our shuttlers bring back the TC because our shuttlers are not good enough technically and mentally.

once for a lifetime reward :D

[Pemuda]

Yes, money is a good motivating factor. BUT this MAS team is not good enough to win the TC. Make more sense to send in the juniors and develop them for the next TC.

[huangkwokhau]

Ok, lets be honest the 1992 MAS team was no "Dream Team" because it fell apart after 1992. When the cash and land were all pocketed, success went to some of their heads and after a few years, we saw a few going bankrupt as well.

.

But in BC 2008, we have DREAM TEAM in PAW...:D:D ( Huang, Dreamzz,Dmitry,Stork and Badmania)...:D

[X Ball]

Yes, money is a good motivating factor. BUT this MAS team is not good enough to win the TC. Make more sense to send in the juniors and develop them for the next TC.

But of course, we know they are a bit 'short' when it comes to making it happen most of the time. It is a forgone conclusion.

But with at least some heavy incentives, they might 'fly and sting like a bee'. Put it this way, if LCW has got no huge incentive to win the Olympics and somebody from other country has, do you think his will to win will be as strong - given that we already questioning the 'Malaysia Boleh' spirit.

[njoylife]

Many would think that WCH is the weak link in MAS team but don't under estimate him.He has so much experience playing in TC,this is his 6th time representing MAS in TC.his fighting spirit and never say die attitude would contribute a point for the MAS team.

Come on lah, be more realistics...

Very obvious WCH cannot be rely on..

How can he win against Baochunlai, Taufik, Lee Hyun Il, Peter Gade...

Think rasional.... Don't cheat yourself...

Hopeless MAL team....

[njoylife]

Many would think that WCH is the weak link in MAS team but don't under estimate him.He has so much experience playing in TC,this is his 6th time representing MAS in TC.his fighting spirit and never say die attitude would contribute a point for the MAS team.

Come on lah, be more realistics...

Very obvious WCH cannot be rely on..

How can he win against Baochunlai, Taufik, Lee Hyun Il, Peter Gade...

Think rasional.... Don't cheat yourself...

Hopeless MAS team....

[eaglehelang]

Money is the most important incentive to a player. In Indonesia, the country may not be as rich but whatever money is given to players, they want it badly and the only way is to achieve. In Malaysia, the players are also keen on incentives to perform. LCW would not have won so many and kept at it if it wasn't the rick incentives. It is all relative.

I dont quite agree with that....there's also the goal to achive the best in ones career & prestige of wining major title.

Errr, perhaps some have forgotten the incentives for SS titles won in 2007 have not been given yet for LCw, KKK, TBH. And also the quaterly ranking bonus for half a year.
+ I think KLRC is actually paying better in terms of salary & incentive for winning titles (already discussed in other threads). Sairol & LTS got RM20,000 for winning GP titles, if it's RM10,000 per person, it's more than BAM's 25% incentive.
But they still stick to BAM cos 1) BAM players get 1st pick for team events & OG 2) Maybe the coach they prefer is with BAM.

And... as mentioned bf, NSC (=government) still owes BAM the RM2.5 mil for 2007 funding.
So, if they do win, in my opinion, it's not sure when they will actually see the rewards, and will it be given in full as announced. As I recall, our government in 1992 was richer than now.

[X Ball]

I dont quite agree with that....there's also the goal to achive the best in ones career & prestige of wining major title.

Errr, perhaps some have forgotten the incentives for SS titles won in 2007 have not been given yet for LCw, KKK, TBH. And also the quaterly ranking bonus for half a year.
+ I think KLRC is actually paying better in terms of salary & incentive for winning titles (already discussed in other threads). Sairol & LTS got RM20,000 for winning GP titles, if it's RM10,000 per person, it's more than BAM's 25% incentive.
But they still stick to BAM cos 1) BAM players get 1st pick for team events & OG 2) Maybe the coach they prefer is with BAM.

And... as mentioned bf, NSC (=government) still owes BAM the RM2.5 mil for 2007 funding.
So, if they do win, in my opinion, it's not sure when they will actually see the rewards, and will it be given in full as announced. As I recall, our government in 1992 was richer than now.

Of course, there is prestige and respect, not saying they don't go for that. But the ultimate motivation to achieve gold is the incentives -- without that, I don't LCW will get there. Don't forget other countries will now pay large incentives to get that gold too.

Whether the govt pays or not is another matter -- but I am pretty sure they will cough up eventually.

[X Ball]

Come on lah, be more realistics...

Very obvious WCH cannot be rely on..

How can he win against Baochunlai, Taufik, Lee Hyun Il, Peter Gade...

Think rasional.... Don't cheat yourself...

Hopeless MAS team....

Actually, if it is not the Thomas Cup, I would agree he has no chance. But I have seen many team events where people excel above themselves. The irrational thing happens.

[eaglehelang]

Of course, there is prestige and respect, not saying they don't go for that. But the ultimate motivation to achieve gold is the incentives -- without that, I don't LCW will get there. Don't forget other countries will now pay large incentives to get that gold too.

Whether the govt pays or not is another matter -- but I am pretty sure they will cough up eventually.

We talking abt TC 1st since this is TC thread. Yeah I know other countries pay a lot (some higher than Msia) for OG gold.

And if they dont cough up, our X ball will go after whoever's holding the millions....;);):D

[Pemuda]

But of course, we know they are a bit 'short' when it comes to making it happen most of the time. It is a forgone conclusion.

But with at least some heavy incentives, they might 'fly and sting like a bee'. Put it this way, if LCW has got no huge incentive to win the Olympics and somebody from other country has, do you think his will to win will be as strong - given that we already questioning the 'Malaysia Boleh' spirit.

Put it this way, a Proton Waja aint gonna perform like a Mercedes Benz CLK 200 Kompressor no matter what.

In short, putting a huge carrot infront of a farm mule aint gonna turn it into a stallion.

Our 1st singles is suspect when it comes to temperament. LCW is known to fall apart when he is under pressure. We dont have depth in our 2nd and 3rd singles. Hafiz is inconsistent and have been going down in recent years while WCH is past his sell by date.

Malaysia Boleh is nothing but empty rhetorics. We should focus and build for the future. And to do that is to send the juniors to this TC for exposure and revamp BAM from top down. Throw out the fat cats and leeches.

[Pemuda]

And NO our government was not richer in 1992 than now. Simple common sense will tell you that Petronas's revenues per year now is over RM70 billion. :rolleyes:

[eaglehelang]

And NO our government was not richer in 1992 than now. Simple common sense will tell you that Petronas's revenues per year now is over RM70 billion. :rolleyes:

There are certain facts (inflation, finance) that cos me to say that but that's a different story. Just a look at the country's repayment for $$$ borrowed will tell some things. Ask most Msian on the street, from educated to non educated, it's the general view that the government is not as rich as early 1990s. ;)

And even if government is richer.....I already stated that....
NSC still havent paid BAM (& some of the other core sports) 2007 funding, which the same amount as Proton's funding. In future, looks like private sponsors will overtake NSC funding for badminton.
And the private club KLRC pays better than BAM (figures already discussed in various other threads).

Kevin Lim, the sailor who qualified for 2008 OG on his own, as of mid-April still have not got funding from NSC for his pre-OG training. He used up all his savings for OG qualification tourneys.

[Pemuda]

There are certain facts (inflation, finance) that cos me to say that but that's a different story. Just a look at the country's repayment for $$$ borrowed will tell some things. Ask most Msian on the street, from educated to non educated, it's the general view that the government is not as rich as early 1990s. ;)

And even if government is richer.....I already stated that....
NSC still havent paid BAM (& some of the other core sports) 2007 funding, which the same amount as Proton's funding. In future, looks like private sponsors will overtake NSC funding for badminton.
And the private club KLRC pays better than BAM (figures already discussed in various other threads).

Kevin Lim, the sailor who qualified for 2008 OG on his own, as of mid-April still have not got funding from NSC for his pre-OG training. He used up all his savings for OG qualification tourneys.

Hey ... wait a minute! You are back? :rolleyes:

So, you based your statement from findings from the streets rather than facts?? :o

NSC yet to pay BAM & others and you conclude that our government 'is not as rich as in 1992'??? :o:(:confused::rolleyes: I guess payments from the government back in 1992 were all prompt, eh? :rolleyes:

In pro sports, funding from private sectors should exceed government bodies. For example, Roger Federer gets his big $$$ from sponsors such as Nike rather than the Swiss government. This is what pro sports is about. Common sense stuff actually.

So, Kevin Lim not getting his RM from NSC is an indication that our economy is bad??? Which man from the street tell you so, eh?

[reiko80]

i think malaysia will play defeat against korea to avoid meet china in the semis......but dont underestimate indon in quarter final as their doubles very strong...we can win 1 single and have to win both double against indon...what do u think????....especially my expert noridayu??

[eaglehelang]

Hey ... wait a minute! You are back? :rolleyes:

So, you based your statement from findings from the streets rather than facts?? :o

NSC yet to pay BAM & others and you conclude that our government 'is not as rich as in 1992'??? :o:(:confused::rolleyes: I guess payments from the government back in 1992 were all prompt, eh? :rolleyes:

In pro sports, funding from private sectors should exceed government bodies. For example, Roger Federer gets his big $$$ from sponsors such as Nike rather than the Swiss government. This is what pro sports is about. Common sense stuff actually.

So, Kevin Lim not getting his RM from NSC is an indication that our economy is bad??? Which man from the street tell you so, eh?

In the 1st place...... :D:D:D, original reply was to X-ball.;) You dont like me to be 'back'? He he, better still, I can have some peace. :)

100% of all my friends, colleagues, customers, acquitances, from all walks of life, do NOT think our government is richer now, hands down - that's from opinion from man on the street.
Facts are from publisied figures, but it's quite easy to determine. I already in-rectly stated that. You also know, just pretend dont know. But this is not the thread to discuss Msian economics.

Pro-sports thingy - you dont get the implied meaning - you keep saying in so many threads our government pump a lot of $$$ every year into badminton, it's actually the sponsors now.
So that we cannot keep lamenting that abt government (i.e. taxpayers $$$) pumping in so much $$$$, sounding like it's 90% from government :rolleyes: (until some BCer also think so), when actually sponsors pump in 60% for 2007 (Proton 2.5 mil, Yonex 1.4 mil, NSC supposed to be 2.5 mil).

I did say, even if our government is actually richer now...... The examples were to show that $$$$ may not go into sports. That is said in-directly, but quite obvious actually.

I'll leave it at that, more will be 'hijacking' this thread.

[Pemuda]

In the 1st place...... :D:D:D, original reply was to X-ball.;) You dont like me to be 'back'? He he, better still, I can have some peace. :)

100% of all my friends, colleagues, customers, acquitances, from all walks of life, do NOT think our government is richer now, hands down - that's from opinion from man on the street.
Facts are from publisied figures, but it's quite easy to determine. I already in-rectly stated that. You also know, just pretend dont know. But this is not the thread to discuss Msian economics.

Pro-sports thingy - you dont get the implied meaning - you keep saying in so many threads our government pump a lot of $$$ every year into badminton, it's actually the sponsors now.
So that we cannot keep lamenting that abt government (i.e. taxpayers $$$) pumping in so much $$$$, sounding like it's 90% from government :rolleyes: (until some BCer also think so), when actually sponsors pump in 60% for 2007 (Proton 2.5 mil, Yonex 1.4 mil, NSC supposed to be 2.5 mil).

I did say, even if our government is actually richer now...... The examples were to show that $$$$ may not go into sports. That is said in-directly, but quite obvious actually.

I'll leave it at that, more will be 'hijacking' this thread.

Hello, my statement wasnt even directed to you in the first place. Dont try to spin it into some wild theory of yours i.e hijacking and all. Childish la.

Oh ... your friends, colleagues, customers from all walks of life etc. :eek: And what in the hell is "in-rectly"??? :confused::confused: Published figures??? Care to enlighten me where you got the info that our country is poorer now than in 1992?? I hope the facts are not from your local coffee shop. But seriously, show me the figures. Put your money where your mouth is.

Yes, this is not the thread to discuss economics as you certainly are clueless.

"Pro-sports thingy - you dont get the implied meaning - you keep saying in so many threads our government pump a lot of $$$ every year into badminton, it's actually the sponsors now.
So that we cannot keep lamenting that abt government (i.e. taxpayers $$$) pumping in so much $$$$, sounding like it's 90% from government :rolleyes: (until some BCer also think so), when actually sponsors pump in 60% for 2007 (Proton 2.5 mil, Yonex 1.4 mil, NSC supposed to be 2.5 mil)."

... and your point is??? :rolleyes:

[eaglehelang]

Hello, my statement wasnt even directed to you in the first place. Dont try to spin it into some wild theory of yours i.e hijacking and all. Childish la.

Oh ... your friends, colleagues, customers from all walks of life etc. :eek: And what in the hell is "in-rectly"??? :confused::confused: Published figures??? Care to enlighten me where you got the info that our country is poorer now than in 1992?? I hope the facts are not from your local coffee shop. But seriously, show me the figures. Put your money where your mouth is.

Yes, this is not the thread to discuss economics as you certainly are clueless.

"Pro-sports thingy - you dont get the implied meaning - you keep saying in so many threads our government pump a lot of $$$ every year into badminton, it's actually the sponsors now.
So that we cannot keep lamenting that abt government (i.e. taxpayers $$$) pumping in so much $$$$, sounding like it's 90% from government :rolleyes: (until some BCer also think so), when actually sponsors pump in 60% for 2007 (Proton 2.5 mil, Yonex 1.4 mil, NSC supposed to be 2.5 mil)."

... and your point is??? :rolleyes:





Here it goes again....I was the only one who mentioned our government is not as rich as 1992, on the same page. And it really wasnt, fine, you still dont have to be sharp abt it in the reply.
I didnt call you "childish" for some of the statements you've made throughout the threads or some of the labels you called me in the locked threads. And obviously you misunderstood the last line (again) on 'hijacking'.


Instead of often asking other ppl for facts, you find out & put forth the facts to your satisfaction - if I present it, you dont believe (which happens 95% of the time) - no point I waste too much energy. 1992 GDP Growth rate = 7.8% (one site put it at 10%). 2007 GDP growth rate = 6.3%. Average GDP growth 1992-1996 = 8.3%. Feel free to google for the info.

Or for public perception, just survey Msian adults who were around in 1992, see what they say. I've done a few official surveys on public perception,this is done whole Msia. My company found 65% or so think current Msia economy is stagnant or going down compared years before 1997 crisis.
Of course the info is supposed to be for our client for their marketing strategy, not sure if they will ever release it. But that's public perception, not measurable by whatever the country's GDP is.

For the paragarph in red, my point is very clear. Anyway, never mind lah.

[olympic]

Come on lah, be more realistics...

Very obvious WCH cannot be rely on..

How can he win against Baochunlai, Taufik, Lee Hyun Il, Peter Gade...

Think rasional.... Don't cheat yourself...

Hopeless MAS team....

Well,i don't need to think rational when it was just my point of view.It is my belief and confidence on certain player.He or she could play above expectation,as far as the national pride is concern,when it comes to the team event like TC.Nothing is impossible in badminton.Have you not aware of it?or you were not been following closely in badminton? WCH's record against BCL:3-6;TH:3-3;PG:5-8;LHI:3-1.FYI,WCH has beaten BCL in ABC last month. Based on the current uncertainty or off-form of these players,WCH with his determination it is not impossible to defeat them.

[Pemuda]

Here it goes again....I was the only one who mentioned our government is not as rich as 1992, on the same page. And it really wasnt, fine, you still dont have to be sharp abt it in the reply.
I didnt call you "childish" for some of the statements you've made throughout the threads or some of the labels you called me in the locked threads. And obviously you misunderstood the last line (again) on 'hijacking'.


Instead of often asking other ppl for facts, you find out & put forth the facts to your satisfaction - if I present it, you dont believe (which happens 95% of the time) - no point I waste too much energy. 1992 GDP Growth rate = 7.8% (one site put it at 10%). 2007 GDP growth rate = 6.3%. Average GDP growth 1992-1996 = 8.3%. Feel free to google for the info.

Or for public perception, just survey Msian adults who were around in 1992, see what they say. I've done a few official surveys on public perception,this is done whole Msia. My company found 65% or so think current Msia economy is stagnant or going down compared years before 1997 crisis.
Of course the info is supposed to be for our client for their marketing strategy, not sure if they will ever release it. But that's public perception, not measurable by whatever the country's GDP is.

For the paragarph in red, my point is very clear. Anyway, never mind lah.

Have a read at my posting again BUT this time take a minute to carefully study it i.e. in short put on your thinking cap this time. Even a simpleton can see that it wasnt directed at you. :rolleyes:

Now since you opted to poke your nose in, you have two alternatives actually, either you stop all your childish moans about 'hijacking' and a whole bunch of senseless ramblings and engage me in discussion based on facts OR turn around and move along home.

You take the GDP growth rate to measure the wealth of a country!!!! :o:o Where did you learn that from, my goodness!! :eek:
Here, here let me put an end to this agony; http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/economics-business/variable-638.html. Look up Malaysia. It is under Asia. ;)

[eaglehelang]

Have a read at my posting again BUT this time take a minute to carefully study it i.e. in short put on your thinking cap this time. Even a simpleton can see that it wasnt directed at you. :rolleyes:

Now since you opted to poke your nose in, you have two alternatives actually, either you stop all your childish moans about 'hijacking' and a whole bunch of senseless ramblings and engage me in discussion based on facts OR turn around and move along home.

You take the GDP growth rate to measure the wealth of a country!!!! :o:o Where did you learn that from, my goodness!! :eek:
Here, here let me put an end to this agony; http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/economics-business/variable-638.html. Look up Malaysia. It is under Asia. ;)

Since you think it's so "senseless" or "childish", dont have to bother to reply ;):). I'm too lazy to search the banned book on Msia economy.

I did say & repeat : Even if government actually is richer now, doesnt mean they will give it to sports ......:-
Still doesnt stop the fact it's publically announced NSC have not paid BAM for 2007, NSC allowances reduced since 2007. Sponsor side, not enuf $$$ to pay title incentive & quarterly bonus.
So, if they do win sthing, I would wonder how longthe players will ever get the big rewards, if they get them.

Oh yeah, since I already butted my nose in like you said (must remind myself not to), your suggestion/opinion of featuring the juniors would not have been done, unless all seniors injured. It would have been seen as an insult to the spirit of TC, same as if Korea had decided to keep their top MS home. Complaints would have been made to BWF. Means unthinkable to even suggest, anyone can see that - and I said it nicely.
If you think my statements are senseless, then I would take some of yours unfeasible, some others "jumping the gun", some.....<sigh>.

As 'senseless' as it/them may sound, interesting thing is the powers-that-be are doing some of the 'senseless' things I predicted would be done. Interesting, interesting :D. Have a nice weekend.

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Apologies to the other BCers, sorry ya all for going Off-topic

[Pemuda]

Since you think it's so "senseless" or "childish", dont have to bother to reply ;):). I'm too lazy to search the banned book on Msia economy.

What 'banned book on Msia economy' you are now rambling about now? :confused: What is so secretive about our economy? :o Seriously, why dont you just give things a rest now cos' you are looking mongish with such hilarious claims about a book on our economy being banned and hijacking etc. Senseless and childish ... I rest my case.

I did say & repeat : Even if government actually is richer now, doesnt mean they will give it to sports ......:-
Still doesnt stop the fact it's publically announced NSC have not paid BAM for 2007, NSC allowances reduced since 2007. Sponsor side, not enuf $$$ to pay title incentive & quarterly bonus.
So, if they do win sthing, I would wonder how longthe players will ever get the big rewards, if they get them.

No, you said: "As I recall, our government in 1992 was richer than now". And you proudly based your statement from sources from the streets i.e. coffee shop talk etc. When pressed, you then changed your tune and claimed you have the figures to prove your claim. But then again, you changed your tune again and came out with some mind blowing statement about some book on the Msian economy being banned and all.

Shy la.

Oh yeah, since I already butted my nose in like you said (must remind myself not to), your suggestion/opinion of featuring the juniors would not have been done, unless all seniors injured. It would have been seen as an insult to the spirit of TC, same as if Korea had decided to keep their top MS home. Complaints would have been made to BWF. Means unthinkable to even suggest, anyone can see that - and I said it nicely.
If you think my statements are senseless, then I would take some of yours unfeasible, some others "jumping the gun", some.....<sigh>.

Insult to the spirit of TC??? What insult? Isnt it not the prerogative of a participating nation to select its own players??? Are you dead sure the likes of China, Indonesia, Malaysia will go banging on BWF door should Korea not send their top MS?

As 'senseless' as it/them may sound, interesting thing is the powers-that-be are doing some of the 'senseless' things I predicted would be done. Interesting, interesting :D. Have a nice weekend.

Hmmm ... since I have some free time, do enlighten me what things which you have predicted would be done? :rolleyes:
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Apologies to the other BCers, sorry ya all for going Off-topic


Again, although I am no economics major, common sense will tell me that you dont take the GDP growth rate to measure the wealth of a country. Neither do you take the NSC in not paying a sailor in Kevin Lim as a sign that the country is not "as rich as before".

With this I conclude the standard of education in Msia is really terminally ill.

Seriously, take a look at this ; http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/economics-business/variable-638.html. Look under Malaysia, its under Asia ;).

Have a nice weekend.
Tara

[olympic]

Come on lah, be more realistics...

Very obvious WCH cannot be rely on..

How can he win against Baochunlai, Taufik, Lee Hyun Il, Peter Gade...

Think rasional.... Don't cheat yourself...

Hopeless MAS team....

Well,i don't need to think rational when it was just my point of view.It is my belief and confidence on certain player.He or she could play above expectation,as far as the national pride is concern,when it comes to the team event like TC.Nothing is impossible in badminton.Have you not aware of it?or you were not been following closely in badminton? WCH's record against BCL:3-6;TH:3-3;PG:5-8;LHI:3-1.FYI,WCH has beaten BCL in ABC last month. Based on the current uncertainty or off-form of these players,WCH with his determination it is not impossible to defeat them.

[koo_fan]

Well,i don't need to think rational when it was just my point of view.It is my belief and confidence on certain player.He or she could play above expectation,as far as the national pride is concern,when it comes to the team event like TC.Nothing is impossible in badminton.Have you not aware of it?or you were not been following closely in badminton? WCH's record against BCL:3-6;TH:3-3;PG:5-8;LHI:3-1.FYI,WCH has beaten BCL in ABC last month. Based on the current uncertainty or off-form of these players,WCH with his determination it is not impossible to defeat them.
Go and Fight,Choon hann.Shut their mouth up.
Just play ur best.
Put aside that factor that u are older,weaker etc etc.
The best players remain forever.And u are in my book.

Being realistic - u cant win in olympic.I had to.But Nothing confirm.So,fight till the end.

P/S - And sis eagle.Dont say sorry.I miss that kind of arguments.
About 2 weeks without them.Lonely already.

[eaglehelang]

Koo_fan, hi again. I noticed you didnt post for some time. Miss the arguements ??? Hiyaa, peace would be better.

[abedeng]

Yo guys and gals (u know who u are),

When presenting your arguments, please consider the spirit of this forum. It is about Sharing AND Respecting Opinions, not about saying "I am right and you are wrong". Be civil. None of us is all correct in our interpretations, anyway.

Back to the line up.

In my opinion, the Thomas Cup finals is not and should not be a proving/testing ground for younger players. This is especially true for Malaysia and Indonesia, being in the Thomas Cup squad is a burden, supporters expectations are very high.

In the Malaysian singles squad, the selection of Arif is a question mark, given that there are other seasoned players (not necessarily from BAM) that could handle the burden. In no way am I suggesting that he can't handle the job, but not everyone is born a Taufik Hidayat or a Rudy Hartono.

[Pemuda]

Yo guys and gals (u know who u are),

When presenting your arguments, please consider the spirit of this forum. It is about Sharing AND Respecting Opinions, not about saying "I am right and you are wrong". Be civil. None of us is all correct in our interpretations, anyway.

Back to the line up.

In my opinion, the Thomas Cup finals is not and should not be a proving/testing ground for younger players. This is especially true for Malaysia and Indonesia, being in the Thomas Cup squad is a burden, supporters expectations are very high.

In the Malaysian singles squad, the selection of Arif is a question mark, given that there are other seasoned players (not necessarily from BAM) that could handle the burden. In no way am I suggesting that he can't handle the job, but not everyone is born a Taufik Hidayat or a Rudy Hartono.

Cant resist especially when one come out swinging with baseless facts and then trying to spin things all over the place. Anyway, no arguments at all. Was just trying to get some clarifications on our country not being as rich as in 1992 and that so called banned book on our Msian economy. :D

Being in the Thomas Cup squad a burden?? I disagree. It is no burden to represent your country. Our shuttlers are decently paid, they do not need to work from dawn till dusk under the hot sun. They are not in the lower income group or whatsoever and going to PD for some teambuilding is no burden. Unlike those Malaysians who earn below RM1500 monthly and have a family to feed, I am sorry that word, 'burden' is wrongly used here.

My take is that we are not gonna win the TC this time with this bunch of shuttlers. As such, may as well invest in the future by sending our juniors so that we can put up a better challenge in the future.

[Pemuda]

Koo_fan, hi again. I noticed you didnt post for some time. Miss the arguements ??? Hiyaa, peace would be better.

My dear,

Just in case you are unable to differentiate, we are not having an argument. ;)

As for your claimed about our government was richer back in 1992, I just find it 'interesting' that you based your statement from the coffee shop talk and all. And that banned book 'bout our economy, I'm most interested to know more.

As for our TC team thingy, I think it is waste of our money to send this bunch to Jakarta because we will not gain anything from this campaign.

[eaglehelang]

My dear,

Just in case you are unable to differentiate, we are not having an argument. ;)

As for your claimed about our government was richer back in 1992, I just find it 'interesting' that you based your statement from the coffee shop talk and all. And that banned book 'bout our economy, I'm most interested to know more.

As for our TC team thingy, I think it is waste of our money to send this bunch to Jakarta because we will not gain anything from this campaign.

Maybe it's just the way you talk. If I talk that way, I'm having serious arguement.Anyway, koo_fan seems to find it interesting, havent seen her a while.

Economics, I'll let the expert explain. After 1997 crisis there was Tsunami & SARS which effected Msian economy.
On public perceptions : it's not based on just coffee shop talk, by on actual surveys done. Some respondents had very interesting answers like "government figure where can believe wan, in reality never really recovered after 1997 crisis", that's offline surveys. You can search some online surveys & see the results. There are reasons why 65% and above public believe economy not as good as early 1990s, some of which I think you know.

You really interested in the book eh ? By KS Jomo, a Msian economist, forgot the name of the book, also forgot where I put the photocopy (cannot get original, had to p/copy loh). It was banned in Malaysia during Dr Mahatdir's time cos he presented some damaging stuff about former PM's administration.
Errrrr, if I remember correctly, one of the things he detailed was how certain companies was actually owned by former PM's son, how $$$ was transfered from A to their own account. Maybe now not banned anymore.
Normally the "coffee shop talk" we think just rumors lah, this guy was considered bold (at the time since it implicated PM having a hand in it) to put it in print. The "boring" part about pure economics, I didnt take notice much (bad eagle). :p
He specialize in political economy, sthing abt role of politics in the economic structure of a country. But I'm not sure whether the new editions/re-prints or his new books are as 'bold'.

Unfortunately, I still dont remember which book looking at his long list, could be 1993 one on political economy, so many similar titles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jomo_Kwame_Sundaram

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TC line-up, yeah, me knows, you mentioned your reason earlier to other BCers. The other reasons, the rest have stated, I wouldnt repeat. Another reason why I say it's "unthinkable" cos I know the powers that be wouldnt send 90% or 100% youngsters to important tourney like TC.

It would be seen as Msia not serious in contending for the title, treating TC like a joke, lots of questions will come raining down. Questions were already raised just cos Yap Kim hock said OG main focus i.e. implying OG more important than TC -> questions were raised that Msia is not serious about contending for TC title. BAM had to defend by saying TC is important, that's why send 1st team.
Imagine the hu ha if BAM send 2nd stringers & youngsters. Sure pengsan;)

[OldBadFan]

Yo guys and gals (u know who u are),

When presenting your arguments, please consider the spirit of this forum. It is about Sharing AND Respecting Opinions, not about saying "I am right and you are wrong". Be civil. None of us is all correct in our interpretations, anyway.

:) sensible. You know how war started? "It's because of differences in opinions".

Anyway, as to the lineup; being a bit pessimistic I would say whatever. I doubt our current crop of players are capable of wrestling the cup in either event. So, giving some new chaps some exposure wouldn't be a bad idea.

[Pemuda]

Maybe it's just the way you talk. If I talk that way, I'm having serious arguement.Anyway, koo_fan seems to find it interesting, havent seen her a while.

Maybe you point the finger too easily at others. Maybe you should take a look at yourself too.

koo_fan is an 'interesting' person for she can support MU and yet look for ways to love Liverpool. :D

Economics, I'll let the expert explain. After 1997 crisis there was Tsunami & SARS which effected Msian economy.
On public perceptions : it's not based on just coffee shop talk, by on actual surveys done. Some respondents had very interesting answers like "government figure where can believe wan, in reality never really recovered after 1997 crisis", that's offline surveys. You can search some online surveys & see the results. There are reasons why 65% and above public believe economy not as good as early 1990s, some of which I think you know.

You took GDP growth to measure the wealth of the country plus info from coffee shops talk and NSC non payment to some Kevin Lim & BAM to ascertain your claim that our country was richer in 92 than it is today. Honestly, for someone who claimed to have read KS Jomo's writings, I find it rather comical.

Then to defend your theories, you mentioned about surveys done and all. Ok then, please tell me which surveys?? Your "you can search some online surveys & see the results" thingy tells me that you have nothing.

You really interested in the book eh ? By KS Jomo, a Msian economist, forgot the name of the book, also forgot where I put the photocopy (cannot get original, had to p/copy loh). It was banned in Malaysia during Dr Mahatdir's time cos he presented some damaging stuff about former PM's administration.
Errrrr, if I remember correctly, one of the things he detailed was how certain companies was actually owned by former PM's son, how $$$ was transfered from A to their own account. Maybe now not banned anymore.
Normally the "coffee shop talk" we think just rumors lah, this guy was considered bold (at the time since it implicated PM having a hand in it) to put it in print. The "boring" part about pure economics, I didnt take notice much (bad eagle). :p
He specialize in political economy, sthing abt role of politics in the economic structure of a country. But I'm not sure whether the new editions/re-prints or his new books are as 'bold'.

Unfortunately, I still dont remember which book looking at his long list, could be 1993 one on political economy, so many similar titles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jomo_Kwame_Sundaram

How can you forget the name of the book when you claimed that you have actually read it!?? :o:confused:

Anyway, to help you along, what KS Jomo wrote was the fundamental wrongs of our Malaysian economy because of political patronage and etc BUT for you to say that our country was richer back in 1992, I am sorry I find your statement inaccurate.

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TC line-up, yeah, me knows, you mentioned your reason earlier to other BCers. The other reasons, the rest have stated, I wouldnt repeat. Another reason why I say it's "unthinkable" cos I know the powers that be wouldnt send 90% or 100% youngsters to important tourney like TC.

It would be seen as Msia not serious in contending for the title, treating TC like a joke, lots of questions will come raining down. Questions were already raised just cos Yap Kim hock said OG main focus i.e. implying OG more important than TC -> questions were raised that Msia is not serious about contending for TC title. BAM had to defend by saying TC is important, that's why send 1st team.
Imagine the hu ha if BAM send 2nd stringers & youngsters. Sure pengsan;)

As for my fav subject badminton, why worry about what other nations would do with their teams for the coming TC. Our main and only priority is Malaysia's interests, period.

Where is it written that by sending our juniors we are not treating the TC seriously?? By sending our juniors, we are investing in the future.

[limsy]

ours Tun Doctor Mahathir state that the GDP growth can be manipulated...so...no need to argue about this...peace...

[jimbo]

ours Tun Doctor Mahathir state that the GDP growth can be manipulated...so...no need to argue about this...peace...

if a company's accounting can be manipulated, i dun see how the GDP cant :rolleyes: so, no need to argue here... nope, nobody can manipulate LCW's diving defence :D simply "shiok" to watch...

Msia Boleh...!!! :p

[eaglehelang]

As for my fav subject badminton, why worry about what other nations would do with their teams for the coming TC. Our main and only priority is Malaysia's interests, period.

Where is it written that by sending our juniors we are not treating the TC seriously?? By sending our juniors, we are investing in the future.

By saying OG is main focus, media already question that BAM not taking TC seriously, i.e. not serious in contending the title for 2008. If send 90% to 100% youngsters, would be interpreted as not seriously contending for title.


Maybe you point the finger too easily at others. Maybe you should take a look at yourself too.
Well, I get along ok with the rest of the BCers.
And he he you did finally state it was a comment on my statement ;).

[jimbo]

Well, I get along ok with the rest of the BCers.


aiyoo... relak lah... u going JKT with us? if not, stay at home watch astro.. i buy u satays if u come to SG... hehe...

Msia Boleh...!!! :p

[eaglehelang]

aiyoo... relak lah... u going JKT with us? if not, stay at home watch astro.. i buy u satays if u come to SG... hehe...

Msia Boleh...!!! :p

Jimbo, you the official tripod carrier? :D No Astro lah, just RTM & online streaming. You also becoming like Xball, Xball bet satay, you buy satay.
Enjoy yaself, just a few more days left bf you fly.
Hope I finish downloading ABC vids by then, going very slow.

[abedeng]

No, no, Jimbo - the official "one time only" jump smasher ..... :D

Eagle, last call, come lar to Jakarta ...... we go eat Gurame fish, guarantee satay won't be in the menu.

[jimbo]

Jimbo, you the official tripod carrier? :D No Astro lah, just RTM & online streaming. You also becoming like Xball, Xball bet satay, you buy satay.
Enjoy yaself, just a few more days left bf you fly.
Hope I finish downloading ABC vids by then, going very slow.

Errr... I'll leave that "job" to our mascular Abedeng :p My job is to take photo with Taufik.. :D and also enjoy all the yummy INA delicacies :D I sure will support Msia and INA... :eek:

[Pemuda]

if a company's accounting can be manipulated, i dun see how the GDP cant :rolleyes: so, no need to argue here... nope, nobody can manipulate LCW's diving defence :D simply "shiok" to watch...

Msia Boleh...!!! :p

... but LCW's diving defence brought him no AE, WC or Olympic gold yet. Syiok to watch yes ... but no end result.

[jimbo]

... but LCW's diving defence brought him no AE, WC or Olympic gold yet. Syiok to watch yes ... but no end result.

aiyoo bruddorrr... relak leh... we (Msia Boleh fans) shiok enuf lah... AE or no AE, let him strive for it :) Just like I paid RM$10 to watch a movie, if i shiok, i heck care if it's a Oscar movie or Monyet movie... as long as i enjoy n shiok, the rest not so impt... of coz, if LCW can win AE, dat one lagi baik ya :D

[Pemuda]

By saying OG is main focus, media already question that BAM not taking TC seriously, i.e. not serious in contending the title for 2008. If send 90% to 100% youngsters, would be interpreted as not seriously contending for title.


Maybe you point the finger too easily at others. Maybe you should take a look at yourself too.
Well, I get along ok with the rest of the BCers.
And he he you did finally state it was a comment on my statement ;).

Seriously, do you think we are contenders for this TC?? :o Do you know the likes of Denmark and Korea have already caught up and overtaken us? So what type of a contender are we?? Contender for the Donald Duck Cup, yes but TC is a big no.

We should not be worried what other nations think of us (though I doubt the likes of China, Indo, Den will go banging on BWF's door if they found out we are sending our youngsters). We should plan for the future campaign as this one is Jakarta we are going there merely to make up the numbers. And the juniors etc are our future, hence they should be sent to Jakarta for experience.

Sure, no doubt you get along with those who shared the same ideals and opinions as you. You just find it hard to accept when someone come along whose thinking and opinions differ from yours.

When I made my comment about the 1992 thingy it wasnt directed at you. And please la, I suggest you drop the economics thingy cos' its looking like a big boo boo. ;)

[Pemuda]

aiyoo bruddorrr... relak leh... we (Msia Boleh fans) shiok enuf lah... AE or no AE, let him strive for it :) Just like I paid RM$10 to watch a movie, if i shiok, i heck care if it's a Oscar movie or Monyet movie... as long as i enjoy n shiok, the rest not so impt... of coz, if LCW can win AE, dat one lagi baik ya :D

Malaysia Boleh fans .... sure relaks la. The government can spent millions on badminton but should the shuttlers still can bring success ... relaks la aje. Enjoy the showboating on court and the style.

I like the style and glamour of our shuttlers. ;)

Malaysia Boleh! Menang sorak, kampung tergadai.
Rileks le.

[koo_fan]

... but LCW's diving defence brought him no AE, WC or Olympic gold yet. Syiok to watch yes ... but no end result.
This is one that we can debate on.
The main purpose of competing in sports is to relate people from a part of the world to another one.

Lcw's style of game looks compatible with this purpose.It brings fans to enjoy the game.And,if he can adapt that style to improve his game,then we can called him master of badminton.
And he almost there.

[Pemuda]

This morning when I opened my Star newspaper I find KKK's statement about him & TBH pledging to win all their matches in Jakarta typical empty sabre rattling. The lad should have just kept quiet and quietly go about his business. But no, the lad must have his publicity and after making a similar "We are ready to plunder in Europe" statement just before the AE & SO, it seems KKK have learned nothing from that unfortunate AE & SO.

Malaysian shuttlers like KKK must learn that it is better to keep a low profile.

I hope we wont see a repeat of AE & SO in KKK/TBH.

[Pemuda]

This is one that we can debate on.
The main purpose of competing in sports is to relate people from a part of the world to another one.

Lcw's style of game looks compatible with this purpose.It brings fans to enjoy the game.And,if he can adapt that style to improve his game,then we can called him master of badminton.
And he almost there.

Master of badminton?? Almost there? You mean LCW is up there with the greats like Morten Frost, Rudy Hartono, LD, Han Jian, etc etc? :rolleyes::o

Yes, it may be enjoyable for you to watch LCW's game. But at the end of the day, its the titles that counts. You dont want LCW to be the Harlem Globetrotters of badminton,eh?

[koo_fan]

I dont think we are in a really bad situations that we got to push a panic button and attcak, attack and attack.
Irrelevant.
Korea and Denmark is overtaken malaysia in major tours now.I can sense that.Every Malaysians will.
But basically,we are on our own track to bring the glory back.For the last couple years,Yes.we didnt win in Wc or Thomas cup.Or any medal in Olympic.
But in tours,we dont do really bad.Producing new playersand win.Thats not bad.
Things we got to do now is to create a 'formula' - How to win in major tour?

[koo_fan]

Master of badminton?? Almost there? You mean LCW is up there with the greats like Morten Frost, Rudy Hartono, LD, Han Jian, etc etc? :rolleyes::o

Yes, it may be enjoyable for you to watch LCW's game. But at the end of the day, its the titles that counts. You dont want LCW to be the Harlem Globetrotters of badminton,eh?
Almost there.If he can keep improve in this momentum.

And master of badminton doesnt mean he is the all-time winner.
It is more than just winning.Do u know that?

[koo_fan]

This morning when I opened my Star newspaper I find KKK's statement about him & TBH pledging to win all their matches in Jakarta typical empty sabre rattling. The lad should have just kept quiet and quietly go about his business. But no, the lad must have his publicity and after making a similar "We are ready to plunder in Europe" statement just before the AE & SO, it seems KKK have learned nothing from that unfortunate AE & SO.

Malaysian shuttlers like KKK must learn that it is better to keep a low profile.

I hope we wont see a repeat of AE & SO in KKK/TBH.
The title of the post attracted me.Kkk never looks good for u eh?
Dont fully agree with u neither kkk's.

I support kkk in whatever his decisions.His statement is hypothetic.May help him or bringing him down to the drain.
as it is already happen,i go for supporting him.Go kkk go!!
Make it reality.

[koo_fan]

Koo_fan, hi again. I noticed you didnt post for some time. Miss the arguements ??? Hiyaa, peace would be better.
Peace World without war will never be interesting.
I will honestly say i enjoyed those posts.Unless it became insultments.
But Pemuda isnt someone we called a jerk.So,i called ur debate as interesting.

maybe sis eagle,one day.we can go watch kkk's game and debate there.
Anything bad about kkk uttered,u'll get it there and then.U are not so kkkism rite?

[Pemuda]

Almost there.If he can keep improve in this momentum.

And master of badminton doesnt mean he is the all-time winner.
It is more than just winning.Do u know that?

If you look at all the greats, each one of them have won a significant amount of titles. Your LCW have none of that.

If he is not the all-time winner then what is LCW? An all-time entertainer like the Harlem Globetrotters? And for that he should be amongst the greats? :o

[koo_fan]

For me,a legend is somoene that is great for me.For me myself.
An example,i adores tunku more than gandhi.What tunku did is nothing compared to gandhi but he did it for malaysia.and im malaysia.

The whole concept is - a legend remains in ur heart.Whomever they are.
It is subjective?yes.We couldnt do anything about that.

P/s - and for the world to recognise lcw as a legend.I think it is possible.
If he keeps improving time by time in this momentum.Hes on the way.And im supporting him.

[eaglehelang]

Peace World without war will never be interesting.
I will honestly say i enjoyed those posts.Unless it became insultments.
But Pemuda isnt someone we called a jerk.So,i called ur debate as interesting.

maybe sis eagle,one day.we can go watch kkk's game and debate there.
Anything bad about kkk uttered,u'll get it there and then.U are not so kkkism rite?

Ha ha, you enjoy?? Try doing it yourself.:D
Watch baddy match? Can. Debate at stadium ? You can debate with the others, I'll rather conserve energy for all the walking I need to do. And no, I'm not specifically KKKism or LCWism etc.

[vching]

Pemuda, it is better to have some confidence in someone rather than to constantly doubt them. It is better to believe in the positives of the players instead of *constantly* focusing on the negative side. I have never, never, never, never, ever heard praise or a positive comment for a Malaysian player, even when they do well.

I think you have not witnessed how hard the Malaysian shuttlers have worked to comment so disrespectfully towards them. The players have positives and negatives - and why don't you acknowledge their positive side, even if it is only sometimes.

So he is 'our' Lee Chong Wei already? So you not Malaysian already?

[jimbo]

Pemuda, it is better to have some confidence in someone rather than to constantly doubt them....


Aiyaa... relak... may be it is "reverse psychology"? so, take it easy lor... just enjoy the ride to our 1992 glory... :p

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48571
started by ...??? :eek:

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That first Olympic Gold : Malaysia Boleh!!
Yesterday, I watched the the first Malaysian going to space. I was very proud. Here we are, a young nation of 50 years old and we already sent someone to space.

After yesterday's launch, I believe Malaysia can do anything. And with that, I believe we can take home that first ever Olympic gold in Beijing next year either thru LCW or our mens' doubles.

Malaysia Boleh! Watch out Li Yongbo, here we come! We dont want no bronze or silver. We want that gold.

And folks, believe me, it is possible in Beijing. Cant wait to hear Negaraku in Beijing.

[vching]

1. Pemuda is certainly not using reverse psychology
2. If I remember correctly, he was being cynical in that thread.

[koo_fan]

Go for it Malaysia.
Jimbo,ultra patriotic already?Good la.

[huangkwokhau]

I do not understand why you guys are still fighting...no matter happens...good line up or not....pls support your team.....fighting will not solve any problem....being player is not easy...it is easy for us to criticize them....any players wanted to win for his country....

[cooler]

Badminton: Malaysia fears match-fixing at Thomas and Uber Cups
By :
Date : 05 May 2008 2316 hrs (SST)
URL : http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_sports/view/345715/1/.html

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysian badminton officials said on Monday they were concerned their players could become involved in match-fixing during the finals of the Thomas and Uber Cups in Indonesia next week.

The caution comes after the Anti-Corruption Agency (ACA) last month detained seven players from the Sarawak state football team and nine others from the Police Football Association over allegations of match-fixing.

The detentions were a big blow to Malaysian football, which has never recovered from a 1994 investigation that saw 126 players picked up for questioning. They were later freed.

Ganga Rao, secretary of the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM), said that officials are concerned that bookies may approach individual players and induce them to lose.

"Our fear is that this football incident could spill over to badminton. Also now, one can indulge in betting on the badminton finals through the Internet," he told AFP. "This is a new phenomenon and it is legal."

Ganga said that BAM officials will be on alert against bookies, and that Malaysian players have been advised not to fall prey to the temptation.

"We can only educate the players not to be influenced by the bookies to give away matches for short-term gains. We cannot lock them up or take their handphones away," he said.

Malaysia will be represented by 20 players, 10 each for the Thomas and Uber cups.

The Thomas and Uber Cup finals, considered badminton's most prestigious international team events, will be held from 11 to 18 May in Jakarta. - AFP/de

[abedeng]

I do not understand why you guys are still fighting...no matter happens...good line up or not....pls support your team.....fighting will not solve any problem....being player is not easy...it is easy for us to criticize them....any players wanted to win for his country....

Very good pt, Hau-ge. :)

Now you see why Indonesia wins more TC than Malaysia, 'cos they have supporters like Hau-ge .......

[taufik-ist]

Very good pt, Hau-ge. :)

Now you see why Indonesia wins more TC than Malaysia, 'cos they have supporters like Hau-ge .......

the older the wiser :D :p

[george@chongwei]

whatever it is, MALAYSIA BOLEH!!:D

[Dato A]

This morning when I opened my Star newspaper I find KKK's statement about him & TBH pledging to win all their matches in Jakarta typical empty sabre rattling. The lad should have just kept quiet and quietly go about his business. But no, the lad must have his publicity and after making a similar "We are ready to plunder in Europe" statement just before the AE & SO, it seems KKK have learned nothing from that unfortunate AE & SO.

Malaysian shuttlers like KKK must learn that it is better to keep a low profile.

I hope we wont see a repeat of AE & SO in KKK/TBH.

This fellow is 'irrecoverable'....:crying::crying:

Btw, i think it's up to KKK on what he should and should not do or said. He is matured enuff and know how touse his brain to think before he take action.

God bless him, and his teammate too in the forthcoming tournaments.

[Dato A]

I do not understand why you guys are still fighting...no matter happens...good line up or not....pls support your team.....fighting will not solve any problem....being player is not easy...it is easy for us to criticize them....any players wanted to win for his country....

We debating doesn't mean that we r not supporting our team.

And we are not fighting, we are discussing, debating and to express our different view on the same topic at the same time.

PEACE WORLD are not that interesting as i found BADMINTONCENTRAL an interesting place because of koo_fan vs. pemuda:D:D

[koo_fan]

This fellow is 'irrecoverable'....:crying::crying:

Btw, i think it's up to KKK on what he should and should not do or said. He is matured enuff and know how touse his brain to think before he take action.

God bless him, and his teammate too in the forthcoming tournaments.
Join me in kkk's fc.My pleasure.
Juz kidding.I know u wont.

But ur faith on my idol for the sake of TC...This time.U are a Dato Seri.

Our lineup is not the best among the best.The support remains,though.
Juz heard uncle Yap's 'latest 'statement.The goal is to make into semis.
What do u think?

[Dato A]

Join me in kkk's fc.My pleasure.
Juz kidding.I know u wont.

But ur faith on my idol for the sake of TC...This time.U are a Dato Seri.

Our lineup is not the best among the best.The support remains,though.
Juz heard uncle Yap's 'latest 'statement.The goal is to make into semis.
What do u think?

Thats a 'realistic target' i guess. If Yap set to win the cup then its too much.

China for sure it's the favorites to win the cup but anything can happen.

LCW and KKK/TBH is the key player to win the points for MAS team. Another winning point would have to rely on Ahfook and ahwah. So the winning formula will be 1 single and 2 doubles.

WCH is capable to contribute point but age is a factor there. Mr. Yoyo, dont want to talk abt him, on hoping miracle will happens.:D

[ants]

Team Malaysia will be leaving tomorrow to Indonesia.

[taufik-ist]

Team Malaysia will be leaving tomorrow to Indonesia.

where are they going to stay ?

[koo_fan]

LCW and KKK/TBH is the key player to win the points for MAS team.

Tan FOOk/Wan Wah is the first double.
Kkk/tbh was relegated.
Less pressure.
In case u put them as the 'key players'.The pressure will be back.
None of our press put any hope on them now,rite?
Nst,star,Metro,Berita Harian,malay mail,Kosmo.
I dont think they will.

as for hafiz,dont hurt him more.

[koo_fan]

where are they going to stay ?
When our team complaint theres a indonesian guy attacked them at their hotel room.
thats taufik-ist i guess.
Juz kiddin.

Please post ur thomas cup pics here.kkk's will be better.

[ants]

where are they going to stay ?

They will be staying in Sultan Hotel.

[extremenanopowe]

Sure boleh one. As long as you think its boleh. Pasti Boleh. Sememangnya boleh. Tak boleh pun boleh. Mati2 put boleh. Kami boleh. Kita boleh. Kawan boleh. Menang guarantee boleh. Kalah? Tak boleh..... :) Mesti di boleh kan dia.

[Pemuda]

Pemuda, it is better to have some confidence in someone rather than to constantly doubt them. It is better to believe in the positives of the players instead of *constantly* focusing on the negative side. I have never, never, never, never, ever heard praise or a positive comment for a Malaysian player, even when they do well.

I think you have not witnessed how hard the Malaysian shuttlers have worked to comment so disrespectfully towards them. The players have positives and negatives - and why don't you acknowledge their positive side, even if it is only sometimes.

So he is 'our' Lee Chong Wei already? So you not Malaysian already?

It is because you have selective reading habit. But I will help you on this one .... Wong Mew Choo. I have nothing but praises for this shuttler. And yes, I have written about her a few times ... but given your selective reading thingy, you obviously didnt see it.

Tell me please, what are the positives??? As a badminton playing nation where the government fund the game, its been 16 years since we last won that TC. We still dont have an Olympic gold or WC title to show. South Korea and Denmark have both overtaken us.

So, what positives you are talking about??? KKK's blonde hairdo? HH's Phillippines Open title? Our Malaysia Boleh chants??

[Pemuda]

1. Pemuda is certainly not using reverse psychology
2. If I remember correctly, he was being cynical in that thread.

You ask me to be positive, I be positive la.

We have the tallest flag pole in the world.
Made the world biggest roti canai.
Went to Space on the Russian Space Taxi program.
Our Universities are in the world Top 250

So, since we can achieved all the above, I will keep my fingers crossed and hope, pray, pray and hope some more and maybe sacrificed a goat so that our team can bring home the TC.

Malaysia Boleh!;)

[Pemuda]

I do not understand why you guys are still fighting...no matter happens...good line up or not....pls support your team.....fighting will not solve any problem....being player is not easy...it is easy for us to criticize them....any players wanted to win for his country....

My friend,

We are not fighting. We have different opinions and we debate things out. So, put your tongue back in, no one is fighting here.

[Pemuda]

It is better to believe in the positives of the players instead of *constantly* focusing on the negative side.


Dude, with yesterday's simulation match in mind, please tell me what are the positives left to believe in?

[victory]

Dude, with yesterday's simulation match in mind, please tell me what are the positives left to believe in?

Just one suggestion. Perhaps we should not see the face value of LCW lost to Roslin. This news can create confusion among our competitors. This could be a pre-arranged matched. At this stage, pcychology warfare should be employed.

[koo_fan]

Just one suggestion. Perhaps we should not see the face value of LCW lost to Roslin. This news can create confusion among our competitors. This could be a pre-arranged matched. At this stage, pcychology warfare should be employed.
I was clearly unaffected by that.

[koo_fan]

Sure boleh one. As long as you think its boleh. Pasti Boleh. Sememangnya boleh. Tak boleh pun boleh. Mati2 put boleh. Kami boleh. Kita boleh. Kawan boleh. Menang guarantee boleh. Kalah? Tak boleh..... :) Mesti di boleh kan dia.
This is cute.
Actually this such cutey posts is what we called fans support.

[vching]

Dude, with yesterday's simulation match in mind, please tell me what are the positives left to believe in?

Positives? Oh, I'm sure you can find some, you are not THAT blind?

Or are you?
:p:p:p

[vching]

You ask me to be positive, I be positive la.

We have the tallest flag pole in the world.
Made the world biggest roti canai.
Went to Space on the Russian Space Taxi program.
Our Universities are in the world Top 250

So, since we can achieved all the above, I will keep my fingers crossed and hope, pray, pray and hope some more and maybe sacrificed a goat so that our team can bring home the TC.

Malaysia Boleh!;)

We also have the world number 2 MS shuttler?
We also have the world number 4and 5 shuttlers?
We are seeded 3rd in this tournament?
The players look determine to do well?
Our Women's team qualified for the second time ever on merit?


Perhaps these are the positives you should focus on instead on those trivial matters? Really, is being positive so hard for you?

[Pemuda]

Positives? Oh, I'm sure you can find some, you are not THAT blind?

Or are you?
:p:p:p

Nope, I cant seem to find any positives unless I want to deceive myself like you. Unlike you, I dont live by building castles in the air with my tongue wagging. ;)

[Pemuda]

We also have the world number 2 MS shuttler?
And what has that world number 2 MS shuttler won todate?? Any Olympic gold? WC?
We also have the world number 4and 5 shuttlers?
Ditto
We are seeded 3rd in this tournament?
When was the last time we won that TC? And how many times in total we have won it?
The players look determine to do well?
Yes, remember that "We are ready to plunder in Europe" before the AE & SO??? Our shuttlers were pretty 'determine' then as well. ;)
Our Women's team qualified for the second time ever on merit?
Yes, so did the other teams other than the host.

Perhaps these are the positives you should focus on instead on those trivial matters? Really, is being positive so hard for you?
Trivial matters???:o Dude, our shuttlers are representing the nation and this is serious business. To have a tidak apa attitude during some training game is unacceptable. Infact, it is unprofessional.


Are we in the ranking business or are we in the business of winning trophies?? :o:(

[vching]

Are we in the ranking business or are we in the business of winning trophies?? :o:(
Are we in the business of supporting our players or putting them down?


Nope, I cant seem to find any positives unless I want to deceive myself like you. Unlike you, I dont live by building castles in the air with my tongue wagging. ;)

I don't live by putting down our players even before the tournament has started. Unlike you, I prefer to support our players, even more so when LCW lost to Roslin. What good is it going to do to LCW to put him down?

[Pemuda]

Are we in the business of supporting our players or putting them down?

So, we are in the business of supporting our shuttlers even if they adopt a tidak apa attitude which was clearly the case during the simulation exercise?? :o Nevermind the PD team building thingy and the RM spent, we still buta support, is it?

Are Malaysians to be like some blind lambs and support for the sake of supporting?

I don't live by putting down our players even before the tournament has started. Unlike you, I prefer to support our players, even more so when LCW lost to Roslin. What good is it going to do to LCW to put him down?

Again, let me put it to you that I am not putting down LCW. I am merely stating my point that as #1 MS, LCW is expected to beat a Roslin hands down. If LCW cant even beat Roslin, he is gonna suffer against giants like LD etc in Jakarta.

Sorry, I will continue to say what I think is not right. I wont jump on that Malaysia Boleh bandwagon because no point menang sorak tapi kampung tergadai. In summary, dude, I am not a wishful thinker so empty rhetorics like Malaysia Boleh dont hold water with me.


I wont thump my chest and shout out Malaysia Boleh because we have shuttlers in the top 5 ranking. It's the titles that matters, not the mickey mouse ones but the major ones. And so far, our cabinet is a little bare despite all the money invested into the game. We have not seen the TC for years. We have no Olympic gold or WCs. Korea and Denmark have caught up with us and may have even overtaken us.

And please la, being seeded 3rd in the TC is no big deal. To thump our chests because of this 3rd seeding makes us the laughing stock of the badminton community.

[jimbo]

Terengganu Boleh...!!! Msia Boleh...!!! :D

[Loh]

Whatever, I also think that the simulation exercise should not be taken lightly although the teams have just returned from a bonding exercise in PD. They are both different in objective and a more professional approach should therefore be undertaken.