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chris-ccc 04-12-2008, 04:46 AM .
Is Badminton still regarded as a 'Gentleman's sport'? :confused:
Some say that Badminton players are no longer civil or polite towards each other.
Some say that Badminton is not as adversarial or as vicious in spirit as other sports.
What do you think?
Cheers... chris@ccc
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yy_ling 04-12-2008, 05:34 AM i guess when more money is funded into a sport, the outcome would be more complications and politics, which in turn causes all these conflicts
jayes 04-12-2008, 06:42 AM .
Is Badminton still regarded as a 'Gentleman's sport'? :confused:
Some say that Badminton players are no longer civil or polite towards each other.
Some say that Badminton is not as adversarial or as vicious in spirit as other sports.
What do you think?
Cheers... chris@ccc
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I think Badminton in its current form is not a Gentleman's sport any more; it is just a sport. If there is any 'Gentleman' part, it is diminishing. Currently, most coaches/players attitude is to win only (at all cost? knifing? match fixing?), be it at recreational level or at the professional level. However, at the recreational level, it depends on the group. Thus, at a certain extent, I can still see the Gentleman part more at the recreational level than professional level.
Cheers :-)
chris-ccc 04-12-2008, 08:18 AM i guess when more money is funded into a sport, the outcome would be more complications and politics, which in turn causes all these conflicts.
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I'm not sure if money has anything to do with this. Even though Golf is richer, their players are better mannered.
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chris-ccc 04-12-2008, 08:45 AM I think Badminton in its current form is not a Gentleman's sport any more; it is just a sport. If there is any 'Gentleman' part, it is diminishing. Currently, most coaches/players attitude is to win only (at all cost? knifing? match fixing?), be it at recreational level or at the professional level. However, at the recreational level, it depends on the group. Thus, at a certain extent, I can still see the Gentleman part more at the recreational level than professional level.
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Agree... In fact I started this thread because there are bad attitudes emerging at the professional level currently.
IMHO, recreational players will get influenced by professional players.
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crosscourt 04-12-2008, 10:46 AM .
I'm not sure if money has anything to do with this. Even though Golf is richer, their players are better mannered.
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I guess the difference is that Golf is not adversarial. There are 20 or so guys all playing shots on their own. If they make a mistake it's never due to the skill of their opponents. In that sense they will will not have the same bad attitude as sports where players go head to head with each hoping that the other makes a mistake. To put it another way, in golf you are playing against yourself, whereas in most other sports you are playing against an opponent.
As a result of more money coming in the pressure increases and players are looking to take advantage of every opportunity they can. I'm not saying money's the only issue but it is part of it. Some older people would say that sports reflect the general decline of manners in society!
treilanin 04-12-2008, 11:37 AM I would honestly say in the recreational clubs that I have played at that Badminton is no longer a Gentleman's sport. The old guard of people who are currently in say the 45-65+ range who viewed Badminton as a social sport that could be competitive have slowly left. The newer younger/immigrant players tend to be hyper competitive and very status oriented. I played at the same club when I was a teen and it is night and day. Back in the day people were very friendly, very open to help, very easy going and very honest (the if I am not sure give it to my opponent). Now people get upset if they have to play outside the circle of "good" players, not willing to deal with the weak players, are more then ready to argue line calls and are cheating on line calls. It's really a sad state of affairs... especially since it a damn rec club. It's not as if 90-95% of the players are even of a level to compete at A or B levels.
chris-ccc 04-12-2008, 12:13 PM To put it another way, in golf you are playing against yourself, whereas in most other sports you are playing against an opponent.
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It is true in what you have said. :):):)
However, in Badminton, players can also look at it the same way... 'playing against yourself'.
So, if I cannot return your shot, then it should show that;
1. I'm not good enough to return your shot, or
2. I should give credit to you for forcing a difficult shot on me that I cannot return.
Some older people would say that sports reflect the general decline of manners in society!
Perhaps, that saying has great truth in it. :):):)
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chris-ccc 04-12-2008, 12:28 PM I would honestly say in the recreational clubs that I have played at that Badminton is no longer a Gentleman's sport.
The newer younger/immigrant players tend to be hyper competitive and very status oriented. I played at the same club when I was a teen and it is night and day. Back in the day people were very friendly, very open to help, very easy going and very honest (the if I am not sure give it to my opponent).
Now people get upset if they have to play outside the circle of "good" players, not willing to deal with the weak players, are more then ready to argue line calls and are cheating on line calls.
It's really a sad state of affairs... especially since it a damn rec club. It's not as if 90-95% of the players are even of a level to compete at A or B levels.
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Yes... many have said that Badminton is no longer for enjoyment, but for some status oriented "SHOW-OFF".
I have witnessed some players even refusing to shake hands after a match. :(:(:(
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markham player 04-12-2008, 03:11 PM Hey guys, don't be so negative. IMO, it is still a gentleman's sport.
jayes 04-12-2008, 03:26 PM I wonder though, could it be that there is a culture difference involve? For example, Asian usually will not understand what it means to be Gentlemanly, in Western sense. And vice-versa, Westerners usually will not understand the Asian mannerism. Due to these culture differences, perhaps they contribute to the bad feelings in badminton today - no handshake is one example. Perhaps due to these differences also, there are two point of views (perhaps more) - the traditionalist (highly value manners, a la British ettiquette) and pure sport mannerism (win/lose mentality).
Now, I'd like to clarify though that cheating is nothing to do with culture differences that I've in mind. It is plain dishonest! However, if we look into society in general nowadays, manners/respects/etc are declining too.
You are right though. Professional players will certainly influence the recreational players. However, I'd like to go one step futher. Now that we know manners/morals are declining, is there anything we can do to improve the mentality in badminton (perhaps in another thread)?
Cheers. :)
chris-ccc 04-12-2008, 05:25 PM Hey guys, don't be so negative. IMO, it is still a gentleman's sport.
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Don't get me wrong...... I wish to drive Badminton back to a friendlier sport through my own activities. :):):)
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MSN04 04-12-2008, 05:49 PM I think people get frustrated esp when the judges start making bad calls, where you don't get it in golf. Even in Tennis, you see people react badly more often before that "camera system" (whatever u call that).
I don't think people get bad temper when they are out-played by the opponent tho. You can only blame yourself if you get out-played LOL
chris-ccc 04-12-2008, 05:58 PM I wonder though, could it be that there is a culture difference involve? For example, Asian usually will not understand what it means to be Gentlemanly, in Western sense. And vice-versa, Westerners usually will not understand the Asian mannerism. Due to these culture differences, perhaps they contribute to the bad feelings in badminton today - no handshake is one example. Perhaps due to these differences also, there are two point of views (perhaps more) - the traditionalist (highly value manners, a la British ettiquette) and pure sport mannerism (win/lose mentality).
Now, I'd like to clarify though that cheating is nothing to do with culture differences that I've in mind. It is plain dishonest! However, if we look into society in general nowadays, manners/respects/etc are declining too.
You are right though. Professional players will certainly influence the recreational players. However, I'd like to go one step further. Now that we know manners/morals are declining, is there anything we can do to improve the mentality in badminton (perhaps in another thread)?
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You are correct... Within each sport, there are inherent cultures too. Handshaking is one.
Through my own coaching activities, I insist that all trainees must shake hands after their games. To my surprise, I see some very young players (around 9 tears old) actually do enjoy their handshaking. They think it's fun to do it. :D:D:D
But some will almost cry after losing their games; They are still learning how to face/bear it when they lose. :):):)
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crosscourt 04-12-2008, 06:53 PM I think professional players are role models in this respect and they need to relise that. With the odd exception most players are well-behved. In my experience it's been the same at recreational/club level.
Do you think there has been a decline in your lifetime Chris?
meteoflare 04-12-2008, 07:17 PM Now people get upset if they have to play outside the circle of "good" players, not willing to deal with the weak players
I think there's two sides to this story unfortunately. I'm no where near competition level, especially now since I've gotten really lazy and I just play for fun. :D I will play with anyone that wants to play with our group since I think its just plain rude to deny anyone, plus its a nice way to make new friends.
That being said, court time as well as space is limited, which forces the majority of our games into a doubles game while waiting in line. Most of the time it is fine, but if the skill gap is very large, the rallies become either too friendly with half-lobs or too one-sided with the other team picking on the weaker player. Then, its just not fun for anybody, since there's no challenge.
On the other hand, if its singles its fine since you can concentrate on your footwork and form more than in a doubles game.
I will never play with anyone that won't shake hands afterwards... Fortunately I've only had that happen once, which was years ago during high school. :confused:
event 04-13-2008, 12:16 AM My dad used to use this term and I liked it at the time but later grew uncomfortable with its connotations. The idea of things that gentlemen do hearkens back to a time when people were controlled by men and men were controlled by rich (gentle) men. The history of that idea is possibly related to the military beginnings of modern badminton. The first Brits to play were colonial soldiers stationed in India. To quote the Olympic website (http://en.beijing2008.cn/cptvenues/sports/badminton/n214051136.shtml):
While British army officers stationed there were learning the game, the Duke of Beaufort was introducing it to royal society at his country estate, Badminton House in Gloucestershire, England.
This is not the only instance of officer and gentleman origins. Apparently, air force bases were the sites of introduction of the sport into both of my habitats. I personally don't mourn the loss of the elitest label itself as it seems to have accompanied a much broader base of interest in the sport. I don't wish to overstate the connection. It isn't as if the masses took the sport over and intentionally rejected the notion of gentility. It's more a result of the geographical spread into areas where those notions had no currency or otherwise just did not accompany the sport. This isn't unusual. We all know people who learn martial arts from other cultures just because they want to learn how to fight more effectively. Fortunately for us, badminton players who aren't steeped in old English colonial traditions are a lot less dangerous than muay thai or hapkido students who can't wait to try out what they've learned.
Of course, there is an inherent hypocrisy in colonial soldiers feeling that it is their duty to refuse to argue over whether a shot is in or out. It reminds me of the portrayal of Cornwallis in The Patriot, who, while prosecuting a war, coddles his dogs and gets miffed at Mel Gibson's character for targetting officers. Who knows? Maybe they needed their athletic pursuits to be that way to compensate for what their day-to-day job consisted of. These days, most of us who play the game do not.
chris-ccc 04-13-2008, 03:36 AM I think people get frustrated esp when the judges start making bad calls, where you don't get it in golf. Even in Tennis, you see people react badly more often before that "camera system" (whatever u call that).
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MSN04... Are we talking about incompetent or biased judges?
Even if so, we can still deal with these judges in a gentlemanly way. There is no need to react badly.
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chris-ccc 04-13-2008, 04:38 AM I think professional players are role models in this respect and they need to realise that. With the odd exception most players are well-behaved. In my experience it's been the same at recreational/club level.
Do you think there has been a decline in your lifetime Chris?
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crosscourt... Unfortunately, I see a slight decline. :(:(:(
Nowadays, when the mindset "must win" is so aspired to, I am seeing bad behaviour demonstrated more frequently.
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chris-ccc 04-13-2008, 04:55 AM I will play with anyone that wants to play with our group since I think its just plain rude to deny anyone, plus its a nice way to make new friends.
That being said, court time as well as space is limited, which forces the majority of our games into a doubles game while waiting in line. Most of the time it is fine, but if the skill gap is very large, the rallies become either too friendly with half-lobs or too one-sided with the other team picking on the weaker player. Then, its just not fun for anybody, since there's no challenge.
On the other hand, if its singles its fine since you can concentrate on your footwork and form more than in a doubles game.
I will never play with anyone that won't shake hands afterwards... Fortunately I've only had that happen once, which was years ago during high school. :confused:
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Sometimes it is good to pick on the weaker player, it offers more challenges to that player. May that make the player more determined to work harder. :D:D:D
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chris-ccc 04-13-2008, 05:30 AM My dad used to use this term and I liked it at the time but later grew uncomfortable with its connotations. The idea of things that gentlemen do hearkens back to a time when people were controlled by men and men were controlled by rich (gentle) men. The history of that idea is possibly related to the military beginnings of modern badminton. The first Brits to play were colonial soldiers stationed in India. To quote the Olympic website (http://en.beijing2008.cn/cptvenues/sports/badminton/n214051136.shtml):While British army officers stationed there were learning the game, the Duke of Beaufort was introducing it to royal society at his country estate, Badminton House in Gloucestershire, England.
This is not the only instance of officer and gentleman origins. Apparently, air force bases were the sites of introduction of the sport into both of my habitats. I personally don't mourn the loss of the elitest label itself as it seems to have accompanied a much broader base of interest in the sport. I don't wish to overstate the connection. It isn't as if the masses took the sport over and intentionally rejected the notion of gentility. It's more a result of the geographical spread into areas where those notions had no currency or otherwise just did not accompany the sport. This isn't unusual.
Of course, there is an inherent hypocrisy in colonial soldiers feeling that it is their duty to refuse to argue over whether a shot is in or out.
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:D:D:D event... Of course you know that we are talking about players behaving well-mannered or not, and not about the inherent hypocrisy in colonial soldiers.
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event 04-13-2008, 10:35 AM event... Of course you know that we are talking about players behaving well-mannered or not, and not about the inherent hypocrisy in colonial soldiers.Okay, I admit I'm getting a little hung-up on the terminology.
chris-ccc 04-13-2008, 12:52 PM .
Is Badminton still regarded as a 'Gentleman's sport'? :confused:
Some say that Badminton players are no longer civil or polite towards each other.
Some say that Badminton is not as adversarial or as vicious in spirit as other sports.
What do you think?
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Okay, I admit I'm getting a little hung-up on the terminology.
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Sorry for using the terminology 'Gentleman's sport'. What I meant was 'Good sportsmanship'. :)
This entry is from Wikipedia...
Five facets of sportsmanship have been identified:
(1) Full commitment to participation (e.g., showing up, working hard during all practices and games, acknowledging one’s mistakes and trying to improve)
(2) Respect and concern for rules and officials
(3) Respect and concern for social conventions (e.g., shaking hands, recognizing the good performance of an opponent)
(4) Respect and concern for the opponent (e.g., lending one’s equipment to the opponent, agreeing to play even if the opponent is late, not taking advantage of injured opponents)
(5) Avoiding poor attitudes toward participation (e.g., not adopting a win-at-all-costs approach, not showing temper after a mistake, and not competing solely for individual prizes)
(Vallerand, Deshaies, Cuerrier, Briere, & Pelletier, 1996; Vallerand, Briere, Blanchard, & Provencher, 1997)
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No one 04-13-2008, 03:36 PM hey, at one point in tournaments I was shaking hands with my opponents before we started a match:eek:. Can't remember where I picked it up, I think someone must have done the same thing to me and so I assumed you were supposed to. But then people started looking at me funny so I stopped:D:D:D
it's a shame cos it seemed to me that it was a way of saying, "ok, we're in a tournament but there's no need to be ridiculously competitive about it."
chris-ccc 04-13-2008, 09:25 PM hey, at one point in tournaments I was shaking hands with my opponents before we started a match:eek:. Can't remember where I picked it up, I think someone must have done the same thing to me and so I assumed you were supposed to. But then people started looking at me funny so I stopped:D:D:D
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No one, shaking hands with opponents before the start of a match were common years ago. When?; Shaking hands and wishing each other good luck were done at the toss to decide who will serve first.
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treilanin 04-13-2008, 10:04 PM That being said, court time as well as space is limited, which forces the majority of our games into a doubles game while waiting in line. Most of the time it is fine, but if the skill gap is very large, the rallies become either too friendly with half-lobs or too one-sided with the other team picking on the weaker player. Then, its just not fun for anybody, since there's no challenge.
Well to clear things up, I am not saying that good players are not allowed to have challenging games nor am I saying that they have to give up their limited court time. What I am talking about is people who absolutely refuse to play with lesser players ever. I am not talking about 50% of your game time... we are talking about like 1 match out of 6 hours of play time. If this were a competitive club then I would be more sympathetic, however it is a social club and it is still possible to play with lesser players.
We have three levels of skill beginner, intermediate and advanced and what I am talking about is people not willing to play one match with someone in the rank below them.
I have personally found that I can grow faster and better when I am able to teach others how to improve. No matter how basic the skill is, there is always room for you to learn how to do something better... the majority of us are not world class players.
I thought cricket was once regarded as a gentlemen's sport! Not so for badminton or golf! :D
But of course cricket also has that 'colonial' attachment to it.
No one 04-14-2008, 12:47 AM .
No one, shaking hands with opponents before the start of a match were common years ago. When?; Shaking hands and wishing each other good luck were done at the toss to decide who will serve first.
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are you saying I'm old?:D
chris-ccc 04-14-2008, 01:13 AM I thought cricket was once regarded as a gentleman's sport! Not so for badminton or golf! :D
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Loh... Even in Cricket, the change from sportsmanship to gamesmanship is happening. :(:(:(
At one time there was a lot of etiquette in Cricket. It was like a gentleman's sport. Now it's all about gamesmanship. It has had its share of controversial incidents. Ball tampering, sledging, chucking, racism, abusive fans, and political intervention have all impacted on the game. There are many things happening that wouldn't have been tolerated years ago.
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chris-ccc 04-14-2008, 01:25 AM are you saying I'm old? :D
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It doesn't matter how old you are. We should continue shaking hands and wishing each other good luck at the toss before the start of our match. :D:D:D
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drifit 04-14-2008, 02:49 AM tennis
a ladies and gentlemen's sports too......
however, did anyone remember John McEnroe?
few players do make interesting "show" during games.....;)
Fan888 04-14-2008, 02:50 AM I never consider badminton a "gentleman's sport". I like it the way it is without being too formal, like golf :)
I agree with the comments made so far. Some of the pros and their behavior are bad for the game. With all the line call controversies lately, I am still waiting for the first pro to purposely give up a point to equalize a bad call.
For most of us, it is a social sport, especially, given the limited court availability, we typically play double and against someone who you otherwise might never meet. Secondly, most of us make our own line calls. Mostly, people call them honestly.
chris-ccc 04-14-2008, 06:50 AM I agree with the comments made so far. Some of the pros and their behavior are bad for the game. With all the line call controversies lately, I am still waiting for the first pro to purposely give up a point to equalize a bad call.
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That's what I call good sportsmanship. :)
If a pro won a previous point because it was called in (inside the opponent's court) when he/she knew it was hit it out; and on his/her next service, purposely hit the shuttle to the line judge's hands (to the one who made the incorrect call), then everyone will know it is 'a gesture of good sportsmanship'. :):):)
Yes, I am still waiting for this to happen.
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crosscourt 04-14-2008, 08:01 AM .
That's what I call good sportsmanship. :)
If a pro won a previous point because it was called in (inside the opponent's court) when he/she knew it was hit it out; and on his/her next service, purposely hit the shuttle to the line judge's hands (to the one who made the incorrect call), then everyone will know it is 'a gesture of good sportsmanship'. :):):)
Yes, I am still waiting for this to happen.
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That's an intreresting question. Is it gentlemanly conduct to so directly question the linesman's call (even if we know the linesman was wrong)? I would imagine the linesman would be quite offended and would probably say that it is unlikely the player had a better view than he.
No one 04-14-2008, 09:46 AM .
That's what I call good sportsmanship. :)
If a pro won a previous point because it was called in (inside the opponent's court) when he/she knew it was hit it out; and on his/her next service, purposely hit the shuttle to the line judge's hands (to the one who made the incorrect call), then everyone will know it is 'a gesture of good sportsmanship'. :):):)
Yes, I am still waiting for this to happen.
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I don't know, that seems a little over the top. I think it would be enough if the person who was the beneficiary of the bad line call, and also thought the shuttle was in, simply said to the line judge and/or umpire, that they thought it was in. That would qualify as good sportsmanship. If they then went further and deliberately knocked it out, that would suggest that they think they know better than the umpire or line judge. That seems unnecessary and also complicating the issue.
chris-ccc 04-14-2008, 10:18 AM That's an intreresting question. Is it gentlemanly conduct to so directly question the linesman's call (even if we know the linesman was wrong)? I would imagine the linesman would be quite offended and would probably say that it is unlikely the player had a better view than he.
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crosscourt's concern for the linesman is justified too... but if the player (the beneficiary of the call) is very sure, and so have noticed by his opponent, then Fan888's "purposely give up a point to equalize a bad call" could be a good idea.
I don't know, that seems a little over the top. I think it would be enough if the person who was the beneficiary of the bad line call, and also thought the shuttle was in, simply said to the line judge and/or umpire, that they thought it was in. That would qualify as good sportsmanship. If they then went further and deliberately knocked it out, that would suggest that they think they know better than the umpire or line judge. That seems unnecessary and also complicating the issue.
Perhaps No one's "simply said to the line judge and/or umpire, that they thought it was in" is the best solution. :):):)
Yes, the whole thing seems unnecessary and also could have complicated the issue. Perhaps that is why we haven't seen Fan888's idea being done yet; But treat it as a 'lucky call'.
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Fan888 04-14-2008, 05:50 PM You guys made very good points. The players can't and don't want to showoff or embarrass the line judges.
chris-ccc 04-14-2008, 09:52 PM You guys made very good points. The players can't and don't want to showoff or embarrass the line judges.
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That's the point. :):):)
We hope to discuss here about how we can bring Badminton back as a 'Gentleman's sport'.
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xXazn_romeoXx 04-14-2008, 11:38 PM there's always competition to be the best...so there's no way it'll be like before...and politics are another story...but if you meant gentleman's sport as no psychological games/sportsmanship/no hitting other players and such, then you're barking up the wrong tree =P...might as well go into croquet or something >_>...
No one 04-15-2008, 01:39 AM there's always competition to be the best...so there's no way it'll be like before...and politics are another story...but if you meant gentleman's sport as no psychological games/sportsmanship/no hitting other players and such, then you're barking up the wrong tree =P...might as well go into croquet or something >_>...
yeah I agree, although....
1. if this is the case, why was it so gentlemanly before (and was it really)? what were the conditions under which good sportsmanship could be considered the norm? because I'm assuming in the past people were also competitive. As you suggest, politics might be a reason.
2. well if we are talking about professionals, then yes, I can understand that all kinds of tactics might be necessary to win a game (and ultimately money). But for amateurs, one has to ask, is being that competitive justifiable?
xXazn_romeoXx 04-15-2008, 07:18 AM yeah I agree, although....
1. if this is the case, why was it so gentlemanly before (and was it really)? what were the conditions under which good sportsmanship could be considered the norm? because I'm assuming in the past people were also competitive. As you suggest, politics might be a reason.
2. well if we are talking about professionals, then yes, I can understand that all kinds of tactics might be necessary to win a game (and ultimately money). But for amateurs, one has to ask, is being that competitive justifiable?
technically, we shouldn't be billing and promoting ourselves as the most gentlemanly game neither...i think golf's got our number on that as mentioned...but rather promote badminton as the fastest racquet sport...unless i'm incorrect here, i'm rather rushing :p;)
chris-ccc 04-15-2008, 10:03 AM technically, we shouldn't be billing and promoting ourselves as the most gentlemanly game neither...i think golf's got our number on that as mentioned...but rather promote badminton as the fastest racquet sport...unless i'm incorrect here, i'm rather rushing :p;)
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However, "Badminton as the fastest racket sport" can still be played "gentlemanly", don't you think? :)
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No one 04-15-2008, 11:07 AM can't remember what the original question was, but surely the question is, can badminton be gentlemanly? not, can it be the most gentlemanly sport and whether or not it's the fastest sport.
this is slightly tangential but I've noticed that 2 of the most gentlemanly pros, peter gade and kenneth jonassen, have recently been less polite than they used to be. That is not to say that they are impolite, but they aren't as friendly after a match as they used to be. I mean, after his losses to xia xuanze and hidayat in 2003 and 2004(5?) jonassen was really a good sport, but more recently he has just shaken his opponent's hand briefly and walked off. To be honest the 'old' jonassen is really my model of a good sportsman. but I'm open to correction here. I am aware of him being very angry recently after losing a bad line call at the denmark open MSF (?).
chris-ccc 04-15-2008, 03:24 PM can't remember what the original question was, but surely the question is, can badminton be gentlemanly? not, can it be the most gentlemanly sport and whether or not it's the fastest sport.
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Correct... We don't need to suggest that Badminton could be the most gentlemanly sport. :D:D:D
this is slightly tangential but I've noticed that 2 of the most gentlemanly pros, peter gade and kenneth jonassen, have recently been less polite than they used to be. That is not to say that they are impolite, but they aren't as friendly after a match as they used to be. I mean, after his losses to xia xuanze and hidayat in 2003 and 2004(5?) jonassen was really a good sport, but more recently he has just shaken his opponent's hand briefly and walked off. To be honest the 'old' jonassen is really my model of a good sportsman. but I'm open to correction here. I am aware of him being very angry recently after losing a bad line call at the denmark open MSF (?).
I've always regarded PG and KJ as great models of great sportsmanship. But lately, perhaps because of them being older and hence being exhausted after their matches, their expressions after losing their matches, seemed to be 'dampened' (:confused: if I have found the right word to describe it?). Hope you know what I mean... We cannot expect exhausted players to be as cheerful at the end of matches.
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Wong8Egg 04-15-2008, 04:39 PM When I see the title it immediate reminding me an image of a bunch of old folks wearing all white that playing badminton with wooden rackets in a peaceful garden. :p
Although gentlemen is a positive word, but I think it actually placed an negative and false image on badminton overall. Badminton is fast, dynamic, with load of actions and excitements. Yet the word gentleman is always regard as something slow, easy and old fashioned which is very untrue for badminton.
I would rather to see people call badminton an dynamic sport than a gentlemen sport. :o
Fan888 04-15-2008, 04:55 PM When I see the title it immediate reminding me an image of a bunch of old folks wearing all white that playing badminton with wooden rackets in a peaceful garden. :p
LOL. And you forgot the tea!! :p
No one 04-15-2008, 06:09 PM When I see the title it immediate reminding me an image of a bunch of old folks wearing all white that playing badminton with wooden rackets in a peaceful garden. :p
Although gentlemen is a positive word, but I think it actually placed an negative and false image on badminton overall. Badminton is fast, dynamic, with load of actions and excitements. Yet the word gentleman is always regard as something slow, easy and old fashioned which is very untrue for badminton.
I would rather to see people call badminton an dynamic sport than a gentlemen sport. :o
:Dheheh well, I don't think people think of badminton as a sport at all, let alone as a gentlemanly sport. I interpret the argument to mean, how can we require good manners of people on court? I think badminton's reputation as a sport, and the rules of conduct under which the game is played, are 2 separate things.
No one 04-15-2008, 06:13 PM .
I've always regarded PG and KJ as great models of great sportsmanship. But lately, perhaps because of them being older and hence being exhausted after their matches, their expressions after losing their matches, seemed to be 'dampened' (:confused: if I have found the right word to describe it?). Hope you know what I mean... We cannot expect exhausted players to be as cheerful at the end of matches.
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mmmm maybe you mean 'subdued'? :rolleyes: Well after KJ's WC match with Xia xuanze in 2003 (?), KJ was exhausted but was still happy to shake XXZ's hand and give him a pat on the back.
I do think it prob has something to do with age though. Maybe because they've invested more in it, and can see their time is limited, so they feel the loss more?
I think education has an important role to teach young people how they should behave not only in the home towards their elders, in school towards their peers and friends but also as sportspersons.
Herein lies the role of the coach to instil in them the essentials of being sporting and showing good sportsmanship. How they should take even a win or a loss within their stride and to begin and end a match with a handshake regardless of the outcome.
chris-ccc 04-16-2008, 12:15 PM I think education has an important role to teach young people how they should behave not only in the home towards their elders, in school towards their peers and friends but also as sportspersons.
Herein lies the role of the coach to instil in them the essentials of being sporting and showing good sportsmanship. How they should take even a win or a loss within their stride and to begin and end a match with a handshake regardless of the outcome.
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Loh... I agree with you. In whatever we participate in, sports or not, we need to do it well-mannered and to be considerate to others, with high standards of proper behavior.
It is a player's interaction with others; it is a good relationship which is important. :):):)
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mandakayy 05-04-2008, 07:56 PM i think it is a gentlemans sport... unless your a teenage girl playing for your highschool team.
when u play girls from other schools they all give u dirty looks and fight lines and calls and such.
but girls are just vicious in general.:p
ive even had one girl having a fit about me giving her the point...
and then she purposly farted on my side of the court when we switched fromo ur 1st to 2nd game...
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chris-ccc 05-04-2008, 08:45 PM i think it is a gentlemans sport...
when u play girls from other schools they all give u dirty looks and fight lines and calls and such. but girls are just vicious in general.:p
ive even had one girl having a fit about me giving her the point...
and then she purposely farted on my side of the court when we switched from 1st to 2nd game...
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Hahaha... Farted purposely ??? That's some new Ladies' sport. :D:D:D
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Jules Winnfield 05-04-2008, 10:58 PM At the place I play at pretty much every game ends in a handshake and a "good game, thanks". Theres also usually a little helping(giving tips and such) to lower level players. I actually cant remember the last time I had a game and there wasnt a handshake or a highfive hand slap. So I guess it's still a Gentleman's Sport here:), I hope it stays that way.
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