APACs Rackets and Stuff: Christmas comes early for Panda!

[hellojeffo]

hellojeffo,

thanks for the info.....beside that do u know whats the price for nano900 power?
i bought in jb that time, about 1 mth back... RM169 for two racquets... i think it's some marketing gimmick lorr, but i wanted 2 anyway (say must buy 2, cannot buy 1)... so it's about RM 85 per racquet.. then buy strings about RM20 each, so end up around RM210... decent la...

I heard KL got same deal also... maybe can try the one in Ampang Plaza.. forgot wat the shop name... puchong oso got... search around the forum... got ppl recommend before!!

[YCH79]

bro....i have read some of the previous post here which there are 2 type of nano900power...white and red....can u tell me what was their different?just afraid making the wrong choice and your info will be highly appreciated.thanks

[hellojeffo]

I played with both, but with my standard (recreational and occasional serious play), I realli realli can't tell a big difference.

The red one, has a box frame, and is slightly more head heavy than the white one.

The white one, has a winged frame, or aerodynamic frame...

I think they play quite similar, though in the end i prefer the red one, feels like I can smash better..

It's a clone of the Yonex Armortec 900 Power if u dun already know.

The racquet is really value for money, and I really like it, as I am a student and cannot afford expensive racquets. Worth to buy...

About the hollow series, i think is more expensive, and not as nice to play in terms of power and smash. Probably hollow is a more overall racquet.

[Willi@m]

VHS1200 is the most head light while VHS1800 is head heaviest, so each model number's up (1300, 1400, 1500, 1600, 1700) head heavy will be increase.

Nano900Power (Red+White) has more balance for its head heavy. Quite favorable among buyers. Good performance & paint job & attractive too.

Armor Muscle Power Series, AMP 88 even balance, AMP 90 slightly head heavy, AMP 95 HEAD HEAVY

[kimir]

i bought in jb that time, about 1 mth back... RM169 for two racquets... i think it's some marketing gimmick lorr, but i wanted 2 anyway (say must buy 2, cannot buy 1)... so it's about RM 85 per racquet.. then buy strings about RM20 each, so end up around RM210...


did u buy from hongly?

[Skanbuzz]

Hi Willi@m & APACS fans,

On the thread "APACS fans", hellojeffo had posted his review on APACS nano900power rackets. It will be interesting to see what each individual player after testing the racket can give their comments.
This will help others who are either unable to get so many APACS rackets or can't afford.
Would you like to contribute your experiences there too?
Come and join & share your expertise.

Thanks

[Easy Tiger]

Why is it that nobody is mentioning that APACS appears to be a direct and blatant ripoff of Yonex?

[ray_mond]

we all realize that it is, but I dont see your point? it offers close or similar (yes i know, debatable) performance at like 25~50% of the original price of yonex. my allegiance to brands that sell rackets for $200 isnt strong, when another company sells the same racket thats readily available in my area for $50. I dont know about your wallet, but mine is pretty thin

[Easy Tiger]

we all realize that it is, but I dont see your point? it offers close or similar (yes i know, debatable) performance at like 25~50% of the original price of yonex. my allegiance to brands that sell rackets for $200 isnt strong, when another company sells the same racket thats readily available in my area for $50. I dont know about your wallet, but mine is pretty thin

Mine is pretty thin too, but my job is in Intellectual Property so I can't advocate someone ripping off another company and everyone giving them a golf clap just because they save you a few bucks.

I know Yonex asks for a premium for their rackets - heck, the Nanospeed 8000 is $345 bucks here - but why not support another company that doesn't have to rip off someone else?

I realise everyone does it to an extent - heck, it's just a badminton racket - but this leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. They can't even come up with their own graphics.

[Avatar]

easy tiger, apacs have developed their own line which does not copy YY. would you think that is ok to you? actually i used many of their demos before, i prefer their own line more than the copied models. just my personal preference.

[hoiboy79]

easy tiger, apacs have developed their own line which does not copy YY. would you think that is ok to you? actually i used many of their demos before, i prefer their own line more than the copied models. just my personal preference.

Their own line is undoubtedly better than their clones. I'm sure many of you have heard me say this before, but let me say it again. APACS IS JUST AS GOOD AS YONEX.

[Easy Tiger]

Not debating quality, debating integrity.

Man, talk about the 'good old days'. You just bought a Cab8 or a Cab21 if you could afford it and you were set. Now it seems like there are just too many rackets to choose from, and what seems like many companies not even bothering to bring anything to the table except "Look at me, I'm cheaper than Yonex".

[Athelete1234]

I sorta agree, if APACS has a line of racquets of very good quality, I don't see why they would bother cloning. The only reason why is to gain extra profit from those who don't want to pay the premium for yonex high ends. Which isn't really the most honest thing to do.

[hoiboy79]

I sorta agree, if APACS has a line of racquets of very good quality, I don't see why they would bother cloning. The only reason why is to gain extra profit from those who don't want to pay the premium for yonex high ends. Which isn't really the most honest thing to do.

I agree with everything you say but people have a choice as to whether or not they want to buy APACS clones or not. APACS clones are a lot cheaper than their own line of rackets and that provides the less fortunate with quality rackets.

[Easy Tiger]

I agree with everything you say but people have a choice as to whether or not they want to buy APACS clones or not. APACS clones are a lot cheaper than their own line of rackets and that provides the less fortunate with quality rackets.

Is anyone suggesting people are forced to buy them? Of course they have a choice, but this isn't about choice.

They're not running a charity so I don't understand where the 'less fortunate' comment comes in. It's not like at their pricepoint they're filling a niche nobody else does, are they?

[hoiboy79]

Is anyone suggesting people are forced to buy them? Of course they have a choice, but this isn't about choice.

They're not running a charity so I don't understand where the 'less fortunate' comment comes in. It's not like at their pricepoint they're filling a niche nobody else does, are they?

APACS is not only filling that "niche," they are doing it in style. I got a Nano 900 Power for only $20 USD at a shop in Malaysia. What racket can you get from Yonex for only $20 USD? A 1U steel badminton racket. And I'm sure that 1U steel racket plays better than a Nano 900 Power right? No competition, the Nano 900 Power is lightyears ahead of the 1U Yonex racket in terms of quality.

And if you aren't part of that group of less fortunate people, well then I'm sorry. The truth is that there are less fortunate people out there and APACS is doing a great service by providing excellent rackets for them at an economical price.

[alana07]

ok guys, lets get back to what we're doing here best...discussing about Apacs rackets and not worrying about intellectual rights etc...that's best left for some other thread/people to do.

so AMP 95 or VH1800, which to get? hard to decide for now...

[teoky]

I am not advocating that copying/cloning is the right thing to do. But we are living in a commercial world after all, and also consumers have choices. Obviously, it is lucrative to ride on the tail coat of a leader and cater to the "less" fortunate in terms of budget or to those who may have the budget but don't see the need to pay a premium.

Cloning does have a far ranging and wider benefits to consumer setting aside the IP issues. Look into the realm of medicine, if not for generic drugs, everyone need to pay for expensive original drugs. Also, during the 50s, Japanese manufacturer were copying vehicle designs and that provide the masses the ability to own cars and be mobile.

A discerning buyer should know that you get what you pay for, no way can you pay 1/5 the price of the genuine article and expect the same performance. So if the manufacturer doesn't have copy right over the design and clonex starts sprouting, I don't see a big issue. The bigger issue would be consumer doesn't have a choice and there's only a monopolistic player in the market.

[hoiboy79]

ok guys, lets get back to what we're doing here best...discussing about Apacs rackets and not worrying about intellectual rights etc...that's best left for some other thread/people to do.

so AMP 95 or VH1800, which to get? hard to decide for now...

I don't know if this will have any effect on your decision, but the VH1800 is quite a bit longer than an AMP 95. I have not tried a VH1800 before but I have tried a VH1300. It felt very weird for me, so I sold it.

[Avatar]

for me, the AMP series is not suitable because of it very thick and stiff shaft. i prefer something of mid stiff to stiff and thin. I think the AMP series works really well for Dink cause he's got unlimited power. I used the 1200, 1300, 1500 and 1800 before and i find the 1500 to suite my play the best. I may have a chance to try the 1700 in 2 weeks.

[DinkAlot]

so AMP 95 or VH1800, which to get? hard to decide for now...

I have both and have been playing with the VH1800 recently and love it. The 95 is more demanding. Really up to you.

[DinkAlot]

I don't know if this will have any effect on your decision, but the VH1800 is quite a bit longer than an AMP 95. I have not tried a VH1800 before but I have tried a VH1300. It felt very weird for me, so I sold it.

Actually, the 95 and 1800 are the same length.

The 95 has a longer shaft by 5+mm but the reason why the 1800 will feel longer is because its handle is 10+mm shorter and the cone 15mm longer.

The short handle coupled with the extra long taper cone makes the 1800 feel longer. :p

Still, I love the 1800. It's what I'm using right now with very good results. :D

[hellojeffo]

did u buy from hongly?
yes bro.. why? did I kena cheated? HAHA

[Willi@m]

Thx Skanbuzz, will input my opinions at best.
AMP95 should be a par with VHS1800 as I could feel both are h.heavy, & stiff shaft too.
VHS1300 shape like NS8K which are fast swing & fragile if big clash, 1500 head is broad&widebody. 1700 has kevlar implement on 2-10oclock

[hellojeffo]

I personally swear my allegiance to Yonex products, and KNOW very well that they are VERY good quality racquets. I've broken the racquets before (at the shaft) and seen the quality build beneath the paintjob and within the shaft. So, no doubt, the price you pay, IS JUSTIFIED.

Thing is, as recreational players and badminton lovers, I tend to like to try out many many racquets, and what APACS has done, has enabled the 'lower-income-class' people like me the chance to do so. And in no way have they infringed any copyright acts.

I'm sure Yonex themselves are FULLY aware of clonexes in the market. Ask yourself one simple question, why won't Yonex purchase copyrights? And why won't Yonex sue/seek legal actions to clonexes like APACS?

I personally own several Yonex racquets including CAB15, CAB20, and recently Ti-10... so I hope my argument is not biased. I still support Yonex, but I don't see how APACS is doing something VERY wrong, or ethically wrong. There's a market, and people are there to exploit.

FYI, I am an avid tennis player as well, and 90% of my gear is Yonex. So yeah... go figure :)

[Skanbuzz]

Hear hear hellojeffo,

1) Agreed that Yonex products is certainly good and I too like & still use Yonex's
Started with "Blacken", Carbonex 15 and Carbonex 20 many moons ago.
Dormant for a long time but now back playing badminton this year but discovered Yonex rackets had increase in price alot. You pay for what you get.

2) Enjoy badminton but can not afford the yonex price and like hellojeffo, like to try other rackets. APACS seem to fill in the gap but would like to try others too.

3) Is APACS actually infringing copyright? Did they say they are copying EXACTLY the same as Yonex? What is exactly? Any "T" joint, are the colours and pattern exactly the same? The products length and size the same too?
I am not sure that they have except that they have made a badminton racket that have colour & name that seems to look like Yonex model.

I too buy/support Yonexs, my children play tennis using Yonex rackets too and I wear Yonex badminton shoes

I think it is up to individual whether you want to buy Yonex or not. No doubt they are the leading name and sponsor a lot of tournaments that we all enjoy. They are leading the development of rackets and technology too in rackets. On the other hand you might find that their racket are probably the same as another brand badminton racket except the paint might be different but then it is up to you how much you want to pay for it.

My 2 cents worth.

keep up the good work Yonex and APACS too which allow me to own more than 1 racket!!!!:)

[Avatar]

this is how i feel:

Model stiffness balance 1200 mid head heavy- 1300 mid head heavy- 1500 mid stiff+ even 1800 mid stiff head heavy- AMP95 very stiff heav heavy

[Avatar]

ark... it's better in a chart...

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[alana07]

ah thanks guys, your various inputs have helped alot.

[chongkiatz]

AMP90 just slightly head heavy???

[hoiboy79]

Actually, the 95 and 1800 are the same length.

The 95 has a longer shaft by 5+mm but the reason why the 1800 will feel longer is because its handle is 10+mm shorter and the cone 15mm longer.

The short handle coupled with the extra long taper cone makes the 1800 feel longer. :p

Still, I love the 1800. It's what I'm using right now with very good results. :D

Are they really the same length? I used to have a VH1300 and it was considerably longer than all my other rackets, especially the AMP 90...can it be that the rackets I got were just made differently?

[GT0ro]

Hello Sirs and Madams!

Just thought I'd let you guys know...

"Oct 15, 2008....Due to the strong American dollar in the past few weeks. We are forced to increase our selling price. Effective on Oct 25, price will be increased by about 15-20%. Thank you for your understanding"

Found out while I was surfing their site! www.apacscanada.com

Shop quick!

[GT0ro]

btw, anyone know their address or phone number in markham?

[Avatar]

AMP90 just slightly head heavy???

the AMP95 is head heavy to me. NOT slightly. but it's not super head heavy. else it would be head heavy+

[GT0ro]

Armor Muscle Pro 88/90/95 (all 3U): all feel and play about the same. Only difference I noticed is the 88 does not have MP like curved grommets all around like the 90/95 do.


DinkAlot, did you make a mistake here? I am looking at the picture of a AMP88 on the apacscanada.com website and it seems that there are those 4 curved grommets near the t-joint of the racquet? Just want to confirm.

Thanks!

[Willi@m]

AMP 88 has 2-pairs (4 pieces) of U-grommets, thats all. While, AMP 90 & 95 have Muscle Power 'curve/convex" surface all round the head frame, including the U-grommets. Muscle Power tends to withheld tension longer,better & reduce string wear, air-resistance is a bit weak thus swing speed wouldnt be that fast.

What Avatar described were correct about balance& shaft feeling. Thanks !

[GT0ro]

thanks! hehehe, i thought U-grommets and MP grommets were the same!
so i take it that the amp88 has a marginally faster swing speed than the other two? and MP grommets only provide better tension retention and string durabiltiy?

[chongkiatz]

lol...DinAlot...u change ur go to racket to VH1800 already??

[Stinkiray]

I was wondering the same thing! If he does change to VH1800... then someone's prediction came true.

[DinkAlot]

lol...DinAlot...u change ur go to racket to VH1800 already??


Well, I'm using it for now, I still carrry 4 or 5 AMP95s in my bag. I used it when Vining Wolff came here to play. It played very well. It's a bit less demanding, a bit lighter and a bit less stiff than the AMP95.

[chongkiatz]

VH1800 more head heavier than amp90?

[DinkAlot]

VH1800 more head heavier than amp90?

Assuming similar weight ~88g, yes, the VH1800 is about 3-5mm more head heavy than the AMP90. The 1800 is also about 2-3mm more head heavy than the AMP95.

However, the 95 is 1-2g heavier in mass and not as aerodynamic so overall so it feels and swings a bit heavier than the 1800.

In conclusion, the swing weight among the 90, 95 and 1800 are comparable, not a big difference.

[Pete LSD]

Dink so good! Did you the Wolfman check out both APACS?


Assuming similar weight ~88g, yes, the VH1800 is about 3-5mm more head heavy than the AMP90. The 1800 is also about 2-3mm more head heavy than the AMP95.

However, the 95 is 1-2g heavier in mass and not as aerodynamic so overall so it feels and swings a bit heavier than the 1800.

In conclusion, the swing weight among the 90, 95 and 1800 are comparable, not a big difference.

[DinkAlot]

Dink so good! Did you the Wolfman check out both APACS?

Not really, but I did check out his old racket. Now that's the way a racket should be made, awesome material. :D

[chongkiatz]

wow...thx for the information dinkAlot...give u a big clap...wonder next time i will have that rich enough to buy whole brand racket to try out =D...

[Gemcat]

What's an APACs racquet that is good in single for all-round performance? Also, what is the equivalent grip size of a Yonex G3 in terms of APACs? Furthermore, can I choose the weight of the racquet when I make an online purchase?

Different topic, is there any store carrying APACs racquets? I would like to see them in-person.

[chongkiatz]

DinkAlot....what is ur BP for AMP90 after string and grip?? my one is around 280mm~282mm if no wrong....just wonder how is ur bp thx

[DinkAlot]

DinkAlot....what is ur BP for AMP90 after string and grip?? my one is around 280mm~282mm if no wrong....just wonder how is ur bp thx

With string, one overgrip under an APACS Super PU grip, it's 285mm.

[chongkiatz]

thx alot dink...finding some lead tape to make my head more heavy >.< it definitely hard to get a lead tape at my area....

[ulric5]

Just bought an AMP90 (strung with BG66 @ 25 lbs, replaced the original grip with a Karakal Super PU). Tried it last week and love it.

Also bought an Apacs Tantrum Shot 858 (strung with BG66 @ 25 lbs, overgrip with a Karakal Point 75) as a backup. Pretty well-balanced and cheap at RM12x.

Both are keepers. Just sold off my AMP88.

[chongkiatz]

ulric5...where u buy ur AMP90?? and how much u buy it?? AMP90 good for me so far too =D

[ulric5]

ulric5...where u buy ur AMP90?? and how much u buy it?? AMP90 good for me so far too =D

Same place where I bought my old AMP88 and I believe same place as you, zhensheng from LY forums. RM225 with bag and without string and grip.

The Tantrum Shot 858 bought from AJ Sports, Bandar Puteri Puchong as I was stringing and gripping the AMP90 there. Got to look at the new Apacs 2008 catalogue also.:D

[GT0ro]

Dinkalot, did you notice much of a difference between the amp88 and amp90? i tried out the amp88 and amp95 but found the amp95 a bit too head heavy for me. right now, i am enjoying the amp88 but was wondering about the amp90. apacscanada didn't have the amp90 in stock when i went to demo the racquets =(

anyways, i heard that the amp90 has a slim shaft and frame? is it much more slim than the amp88 and are there differences in the feel of the racquet? ie, more aerodynamic feel/faster swing, more flex?

[DinkAlot]

You need to re-read some of the posts above. :p

For me, they were all about the same. But that's similar weighted rackets.

In general I believe the 88 will be a bit lighter than than the 90 and 95. If comparing typical rackets based on APACS' specs, say an 86-87g AMP88, 87-88g AMP90, and 89-90g AM95, yes, they will be a bit different, each one being a bit more demanding.

But if the rackest are all the same weight, you are splitting hairs, very minor differences if you can tell at all.




Dinkalot, did you notice much of a difference between the amp88 and amp90? i tried out the amp88 and amp95 but found the amp95 a bit too head heavy for me. right now, i am enjoying the amp88 but was wondering about the amp90. apacscanada didn't have the amp90 in stock when i went to demo the racquets =(

anyways, i heard that the amp90 has a slim shaft and frame? is it much more slim than the amp88 and are there differences in the feel of the racquet? ie, more aerodynamic feel/faster swing, more flex?

[Gemcat]

What's an APACs racquet that is good in single for all-round performance? Also, what is the equivalent grip size of a Yonex G3 in terms of APACs? Furthermore, can I choose the weight of the racquet when I make an online purchase?

Different topic, is there any store carrying APACs racquets? I would like to see them in-person.

Hopefully Dan can answer some of these for me? :D

[DinkAlot]

Hopefully Dan can answer some of these for me? :D


1) No, you cannot choose the weight but it can't hurt to try. :p

2) AMPs and VH1800 are all good for singles.

3) All the APACS rackets I have are G4.5 - 4.0 Yonex equivalent. They only have one size grip.

4) Check your local store for availability, also check www.apacscanada.com (http://www.apacscanada.com) if it's close to you.

[GT0ro]

I read this post plenty of times... just wanted a more definite answer =P besides, thought you might have different opinions or different views after a couple more weeks of using the racquets!

and yes, i do feel that the amp88 is easier to use than the amp95. was hoping that the amp90 would be less demanding than the amp88 because of the slim shaft and frame.

hehehe, if the difference of identical weight racquets is like splitting hairs, then why did you purchase so many amp95 and not amp88? they WERE $6 dollars cheaper! :p



You need to re-read some of the posts above. :p

For me, they were all about the same. But that's similar weighted rackets.

In general I believe the 88 will be a bit lighter than than the 90 and 95. If comparing typical rackets based on APACS' specs, say an 86-87g AMP88, 87-88g AMP90, and 89-90g AM95, yes, they will be a bit different, each one being a bit more demanding.

But if the rackest are all the same weight, you are splitting hairs, very minor differences if you can tell at all.

[DinkAlot]

There's no definite answer.

And with respect to the identical weights, in general they are not. I said if they were, which I had, 87g AMP88, AMP90, AMP95, they played interchangeably. But the norm for the AMP95 = 89-90g which is more my style. If the AMP88 was 90g, I'd go with that because I think it looks better. :p




I read this post plenty of times... just wanted a more definite answer =P besides, thought you might have different opinions or different views after a couple more weeks of using the racquets!

and yes, i do feel that the amp88 is easier to use than the amp95. was hoping that the amp90 would be less demanding than the amp88 because of the slim shaft and frame.

hehehe, if the difference of identical weight racquets is like splitting hairs, then why did you purchase so many amp95 and not amp88? they WERE $6 dollars cheaper! :p

[SmashingTime]

Hey DinkaLot.

Is it true that the white Nanopower 900 is faster than the red one? I'm kinda looking for power and defense in a racket and I play doubles. Which one do you think will suit me better?
Also, is there a difference between Edgesaber 7 and 10?
Finally, have you heard of Nanopower 009 and 299? Are they the same as the 900 one?

Sorry for the many questions. Assumed you have some answers since you tried out so many APACs rackets. :) Thanks.

[happy girl]

ARMOR MUSCLE PRO 95 how much?? where got sell tis racket??

[Gemcat]

1) No, you cannot choose the weight but it can't hurt to try. :p

2) AMPs and VH1800 are all good for singles.

3) All the APACS rackets I have are G4.5 - 4.0 Yonex equivalent. They only have one size grip.

4) Check your local store for availability, also check www.apacscanada.com (http://www.apacscanada.com) if it's close to you.

Thanks Dan...

So according to you, you get what they send you and you don't have options.

[chongkiatz]

Armor Muscle Pro 95 got sell in the Lowyat forum around RM2xx from a seller name ZhenSheng a.k.a owen....nice dealer...my Edge Saber 10 and AMP90 also from him...

here the link....

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/599997

[YCH79]

dear all....can any recommend me a racquet which is the stiffness like Edgesaber 10 and slightly more head heavy than Edgesaber 10.the weight the best is 4U2G.please advise

[kimir]

Also, is there a difference between Edgesaber 7 and 10?


i would also like to know this...

[squallyeo]

bought n tried the amp90 with bg80@25lbs and ori grip for 2hrs last nite, i feel it's fast n easy to adapt to

it feels lighter(i guess it's 87-88g for racket oni) than my ti10 white n yellow(89-90g) but still packs some power

control is very good bcoz of the stiff shaft

def is slightly better than ti10 mayb bcoz of its lightness or head heavy? duno

all in all, it's a fantastic n solid racket, jus tat it's not my ideal weight. thinking whether to keep it or sell it to get amp95. i think i'll make a decision after i try it again on monday nite

[chongkiatz]

try to buy AMP95 1st and try it...if feel not nice sell the AMP95....if great then sell off ur AMP90...=D but AMP90 is good for me....head and weight heavy than my edge saber 10....power nice def okok la.....maybe i would rate power 9/10 and def 8.5/10

[squallyeo]

sir dink, did u measure the bp of amp90(empty racket) b4? how much is it? i forgot to measure b4 i put on the string and grip. now my racket is 287mm with bg80 n 2 overgrips

[happy girl]

where can tis racket ya(AMP95)?? Around how much?

[chongkiatz]

AMP95 around RM2xx...selling at lowyat.com and here the link

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/599997 (http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/599997)

great seller...squallyeo (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=25204) , me and ulric also get from him =D

[issarakaya]

Anyone tried Furious 2000? Tantrum 11? Tantrum 200? need feedback for those rackets :D
Thanks b4 :D

[h4n5ip]

Anyone tried Furious 2000? Tantrum 11? Tantrum 200? need feedback for those rackets :D
Thanks b4 :D

I have in my hand Furious 2000, Amp 90 and AMP 95.
For Amp 90 and 95 is really good for offense.
Amp 90 is a bit friendly on defense than 95. But for those who has strong power, using 95 won't be hard also.

For the Furious 2000, I will test it tonight, having just swung the racket, it felt more balance racket.
I think it will suit you more issakarya (you know why, because I don't like it) :p:p:p

[ulric5]

AMP95 around RM2xx...selling at lowyat.com and here the link

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/599997 (http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/599997)

great seller...squallyeo (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=25204) , me and ulric also get from him =D

Yep, totally agree.:cool:

Might get another AMP90 from him before year-end.:D

[Erique]

I have a Furious 2000, it is stiffer than AMP 95, weight of 91.1 gr (without string and overgrip), BP 29.2 (after stringing 28 lbs and thin overgrip). Feel light for a 91.1 gr racket, good maneuver, good power (since it is head heavy).This is my first impression for furious 2000, cause I am still new with this racket and need to use more to get used to it.

[issarakaya]

I have in my hand Furious 2000, Amp 90 and AMP 95.
For Amp 90 and 95 is really good for offense.
Amp 90 is a bit friendly on defense than 95. But for those who has strong power, using 95 won't be hard also.

For the Furious 2000, I will test it tonight, having just swung the racket, it felt more balance racket.
I think it will suit you more issakarya (you know why, because I don't like it) :p:p:p
yeahhh.....seem we are opposite each other hahahaha I'm still looking the one for me :p so far furious 778 still at my top Apacs list :D:D:D What type you prefer to choose between AMP95 or VSH1800 :rolleyes:

I have a Furious 2000, it is stiffer than AMP 95, weight of 91.1 gr (without string and overgrip), BP 29.2 (after stringing 28 lbs and thin overgrip). Feel light for a 91.1 gr racket, good maneuver, good power (since it is head heavy).This is my first impression for furious 2000, cause I am still new with this racket and need to use more to get used to it.
let me know the feeling after you get to used it :D Thx be4

[chongkiatz]

Dinalot.....if compared VH1800 and AMP95...which frame have more slim and thin shaft?? and which can swim more faster?? thx for ur reply

[DinkAlot]

Dinalot.....if compared VH1800 and AMP95...which frame have more slim and thin shaft?? and which can swim more faster?? thx for ur reply


VH1800 has a slimmer frame, shaft about the same. VH1800 swings faster.

[chongkiatz]

thx Din for the information....

[chongkiatz]

1 more question Din....ur VH1800 is a 4U racket??? because i not really like 4U...too light for me...

and if compared VH1800 and AMP90...they both have same swim speed? or VH1800 better swim speed because of the slim frame ?

[DinkAlot]

Who's "Din"? :confused:

You are thinking way too much into these rackets, just play the game. :p

The 1800 is 3U (about 87-88g).

The AMP90 and 1800 have comparable swing speeds.




1 more question Din....ur VH1800 is a 4U racket??? because i not really like 4U...too light for me...

and if compared VH1800 and AMP90...they both have same swim speed? or VH1800 better swim speed because of the slim frame ?

[sifuyono]

Who's "Din"? :confused:

You are thinking way too much into these rackets, just play the game. :p

The 1800 is 3U (about 87-88g).

The AMP90 and 1800 have comparable swing speeds.
udin or aladin maybe:D:D

[chongkiatz]

because i going to present my edge-saber10 to my sister's son who started play badmiton...so going to get 1 more back up racket for my AMP90 but yet don't wan to get same modal bcoz i think it's wasted....either choose VH1800 or Wilson [K]Pro/[K]Tour.......this 3 racket....u have any review on wilson racket dinkalot?

[squallyeo]

sold my amp90 coz it reli feels light(i think is 87-88g) compared to ti10 3u white & yellow(i think is 89-90g), the head heaviness ok for me. netplay, def, clears is ok to me but not drops and smash especially. my smashes r not as 'sharp' compared with my ti10. now miss my ti10 so much as i sent it to claim for a crack on the frame.

now still pondering around amp95, vh1800 and tantrum200. my regular stringer says tantrum200 is a good racket but i cant test it. dare not buy amp95 without trying bcoz i think i like a slightly head heavy 89g racket tat has a fast swing. tried my fren's old yonex isometric swing power 500 SX, even at 24lbs the backhand was superb, others aspects r comparable to ti-10,by far thee best racket i hv ever used. the most comparable racket tat i hav used b4 is yonex at800def, but durability lacks. my frens is also searching for such racket as his swing power cant stand high tension n the string 'eats' into the frame. can anyone, maybe sir dink help with tis?

[alana07]

so who has actually tried out the new gold or pink colour Edge Saber 9 here?

[phandrew]

so who has actually tried out the new gold or pink colour Edge Saber 9 here?

I haven't seen one yet but it should be out by now

[alana07]

I haven't seen one yet but it should be out by now

i saw both colour types in a shop here in queensway in SG, the empty racket's feel is almost same as the Nanotec700 Ltd....slight bias towards head heavy and same shaft stiffness.

[lie_101]

where shop in Lembah Klang can i get Apacs Nanotec 700 Limited Racket

[Gigabit]

Hi

Try Topper Sports Sdn Bhd at Ampang Park, Syarikat Perniagaan Ah Lee at Bangsar.

[lie_101]

Hi

Try Topper Sports Sdn Bhd at Ampang Park, Syarikat Perniagaan Ah Lee at Bangsar.

can u give me phone no Syarikat Perniagaan Ah Lee..if u know lah

[Gigabit]

Hi,

I do not have it at the moment. The owner ran out of business cards. Will be going there this saturday to browse the new collection of apacs racquet.

[Kamikaze2]

Hi,

If you would like to get Apacs Nanotec 700, try in Bandar Puteri Puchong.
I got mine last week and I saw they have another 2 in stock selling for MYR 200. I always get my stuffs there because they offer good price and service.

AJ Racket Mart (Opposite Yonex badminton court)
No 31-G Jalan Puteri 4/1
Bandar Puteri
47100 Puchong

012-2861416

[lie_101]

Hi,

If you would like to get Apacs Nanotec 700, try in Bandar Puteri Puchong.
I got mine last week and I saw they have another 2 in stock selling for MYR 200. I always get my stuffs there because they offer good price and service.

AJ Racket Mart (Opposite Yonex badminton court)
No 31-G Jalan Puteri 4/1
Bandar Puteri
47100 Puchong

012-2861416

Ok.... thanks m8

[NiKYEAM]

Anyone with a decent amount of strength would get a kick out of the VH1800. My main racket now. :D

[chongkiatz]

DinkALot.....from ur experience...what do u found different between edge-saber10 and Apacs nano power 900 (white) ??? do they both consider even balanced or power 900 white slightly head heavy? thx in advan

[chongkiatz]

to other who own Apacs Edge-saber10 and Apacs nano Power 900 White...can leave some comment about this two different racket??

[Avatar]

both nano power 900 white and ES10 are similar. they are both slightly head heavy n 4U rackets. ES10 has a very very slim frame profile while the 900 white has aero shape. chongkiatz, u gotta go for look at the rackets in the shop. just chatting online can only get you so far.

[chongkiatz]

if i could get the apacs from my area...then it's great....problem i just can puchase the racket from online only....my fren have try out my ES10 and it's excellent....but if both of us getting the same racket is abit wasted since i can borrow my ES10 and if he own a nano power 900 so he also can lend me to try out....=D.....and my ES10 just sleeping in bag now....AMP90 too great for me >.<

p/s: going to get VH1800 soon =D....wanna try how the feel of anti-vibration =D

[Permochinon]

You guys speak a lot about the ES7 and 10 but i saw there is a 9 too ... is it only a fake, or they just stopped producing it cuz it sucked ... i was wondering cuz im more interested in the 9 than the 10

[teoky]

There is a ES9 and it comes in 2 colors. One color is almost the same as the Arc9 except the white is not as white and the pink not as bright.

I can't remember what the other color was.

[-Silver-]

The other colour is white, pink and gold. The gold part is at the frame area and lower shaft.

[Permochinon]

so it does exist but i read here :
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1051165&highlight=es9#post1051165
Last thread that it have a manifactural problem ...

[chongkiatz]

sony using clone of Apacs?? -.-"

[cl427x]

hey dinkalot. i'm an avid apacs user as well and would like to know some more on tantrum 200. i haven't found much actually about it other than references to it. got any comments? thanks :P

[ipster]

does anyone know of stores which stock APACS in vancouver?

[jymbalaya]

does anyone know of stores which stock APACS in vancouver?


there is a warehouse in Markham, Ontario. try there for you search.

[weinsteinium]

there is a warehouse in Markham, Ontario. try there for you search.

In case you need driving directions from Vancouver: http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=45.42268&lon=-101.23034&zoom=5&q1=vancouver%20canada&q2=markham%20canada

It's 2715 miles but you might know some secret Canadian shortcuts :)

[cl427x]

i'm an avid apacs user as well and would like to know some more on tantrum 200. i haven't found much actually about it other than references to it. anyone have any comments? thanks!

[DinkAlot]

APACS update:

Panda hasn't played much badminton these days but is pretty convinced the Lethal 50 and Tantrum 200 are among APACs best rackets. I prefer them over the AMP90/95 and Nano Pro 9900.

Both the L50 and T200 have the near perfect balance of attack and defense for the modern professional or advanced player. They are definitely not the most powerful rackets but have that ultra fast defense/response that's needed at the higher levels.

The L50 is a bit more demanding than the T200. If you want a bit more power, go for the L50, if you want a bit more mobility, go for the T200. The T200 reminds me of a 4U AT700 but the frame is stronger and more balanced.

Both the L50 and T200 have very strong frames, both can take 31lbs. ECP with no problem. The AMPs are still very good but they are just not as fast nor as strong (frame-wise) as the L50 and T200.

If you want Woven 7 type power in a heavy 3U, try the Nano Pro 9900 with woven frame. It's noticeably more powerful than the AMP95 and more agile. The frame seems to hold up well, though the woven frame gets chipped or "glazed" easily but hasn't broken. The NP9900 is one of the stiffest rackets ever but doesn't feel it. It feels solid and maybe the most powerful 3U racket Panda's tried to date.

The VH1800 is another top racket. It's great in all aspects and up there with the L50 and T200. If you want a bargain heavy hitting racket that's more moderate in stiffness, check out the VH1500. That thing is quite demanding and head heavy and hit bombs. Just don't expect too much defense. The frame is also very strong on the VH rackets.

More later...

[cl427x]

thanks! great update.

[Gold-]

how does apacs nanopro 9600 compare to apacs nanospeed 9000

[DinkAlot]

how does apacs nanopro 9600 compare to apacs nanospeed 9000

Completely different rackets. The 9600 is an all-around racket. The 9000 is an extra stiff attacking racket, too stiff, no feel. I like the 9600 better.

Another great racket is the Nano Fusion 608Pro.

[Sealman]

Completely different rackets. The 9600 is an all-around racket. The 9000 is an extra stiff attacking racket, too stiff, no feel. I like the 9600 better.


DinkAlot, with regard to the 9000 you mentioned above, is this the nanopro9000 or nanospeed9000?

[DinkAlot]

DinkAlot, with regard to the 9000 you mentioned above, is this the nanopro9000 or nanospeed9000?

Nano Pro 9000, APACS doesn't have a Nano Speed 9000. They do have a Nano 9000 Speed though, which I have not tried. :p

[nipoy]

Ei guys!

I've been wanting to buy the Nano Power 900( White ).
Aside from ordering it from apacscanada, where can I can it closer to my place.
Thanks!

[GT0ro]

apacscanada does not have it in stock i believe...

[jconan]

DinkAlot, you're probably the only one who's played with both these rackets.

Would you say that these two rackets are almost identicle in terms of ease of maneouvering, but slight edge to 9600 for smashing power due to stiffer shaft?

I came across conflicting info regarding the length of these rackets. Are they both extra long rackets?

Which racket do u feel is more head light?

I couldn't decide between these two rackets. Coming from a nanospeed 4500, i want to upgrade to a racket that's slightly stiffer and headlight to even balance that allows for easy, fast swinging motion. Just want to know which racket would fit my criteria more. Thanks in advance:)

[DinkAlot]

DinkAlot, you're probably the only one who's played with both these rackets.

The 9600 Tour and 608 Pro are completely different rackets. The 9600 Tour is like a Yonex NS9000-S, but even a bit lighter in weight as well as head light. It's an all-around defensive racket. The 608 Pro is a thick shaft, stiff attacking beast. Don't let the shape of the frame fool ya. :D

I've said this before and I'll say it one more time, you cannot reliably use the APACS specs. They are, in general, off. Most of the APACS rackets I have tested did not have the correct BP, weight and grip size.

"So, it just depends." What a corny line, but Panda will coin it. :p

I'm in the process of modifying and updating all the APACs rackets I've tested. Some, like the L50, T200, NP9900, VH1800, 9600 Tour, Super Light and 608 Pro are among the best rackets I'ved tried in there respective catogories. Hope to have it up by the end of the week.

[Gold-]

hi dink how come nanopro 9000 is nt included? is it not good? wad is the difference between nanopro 9000 and 9600 and compare with the stiffness with 1 more stiff?

[Gold-]

hi dink how come nanopro 9000 is nt included? is it not good? wad is the difference between nanopro 9000 and 9600 and compare with the stiffness with 1 more stiff?

sry 1 last question. which 1 more durable? as in breaking easily if i mishit a few time

[aloy66]

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I've said this before and I'll say it one more time, you cannot reliably use the APACS specs. They are, in general, off. Most of the APACS rackets I have tested did not have the correct BP, weight and grip size.



Is it safe to say that Apacs don't have good QC and specs differs from batch to batch?

[krantea]

Hi DinkAlot,

Any update on Apacs rackets ?

[cl427x]

i switched from yonex to apacs for a couple reasons. one of them was for better durability.

[DinkAlot]

Hi DinkAlot,

Any update on Apacs rackets ?


Yes, almost done with a complete review.

[issarakaya]

^
i'm waiting :D
i tried many apacs racket and still cant find one for me, looking your view to compare and decide....what about the string? I really impressed with New tech....Ti-spider is too slipery for me :D

[D34no_apacs]

Looking forward to the review. Just got a sponsorship with apacs and struggling to find a racket that suits my game.

[DinkAlot]

Looking forward to the review. Just got a sponsorship with apacs and struggling to find a racket that suits my game.

Panda plays doubles and mixed so Panda used the Lethal 50. If singles, the Nano Pro 9900.

For all-around, bias towards attacking:
Lethal 50, swings like an 88g moderately end weight racket.
Tantrum 200, similar to the L50 but swings 2-3g lighter
Visible Hollow 1800, slightly different feel but a great performing racket, comparable swing weight to the L50.

For all-around, bias towards defense:
Nano Pro 9600 Tour

For all out attacking and singles players:
Nano Pro 9900, ultra stiff, solid feel, gram from gram extremely powerful
Nano Fusion 608 Pro, solid all-around, thick, aero frame
Visible Hollow 1500, a more flexible, forgiving racket, but still hits bombs.

[phandrew]

I see that the panda didn't mention AMP95. Looks like it isn't up to The Panda's standards

[DinkAlot]

I see that the panda didn't mention AMP95. Looks like it isn't up to The Panda's standards

The AMPs are great but I find them a bit brittle. For the average joe, I think the racket will do just fine but if you are a hard hitter, the racket may eventually break.

[Tsumaranai]

So out of all those rackets, the Nano Pro 9900 would be the best for attacking? How would you say the stiffness compares to some of Yonex's stiffest rackets that you have tested?

[krantea]

Panda plays doubles and mixed so Panda used the Lethal 50. If singles, the Nano Pro 9900.

For all-around, bias towards attacking:
Lethal 50, swings like an 88g moderately end weight racket.
Tantrum 200, similar to the L50 but swings 2-3g lighter
Visible Hollow 1800, slightly different feel but a great performing racket, comparable swing weight to the L50.

For all-around, bias towards defense:
Nano Pro 9600 Tour

For all out attacking and singles players:
Nano Pro 9900, ultra stiff, solid feel, gram from gram extremely powerful
Nano Fusion 608 Pro, solid all-around, thick, aero frame
Visible Hollow 1500, a more flexible, forgiving racket, but still hits bombs.

Thanks DinkAlot,

What string did you use with your L50 ? what tension did you find it best at ?

[DinkAlot]

So out of all those rackets, the Nano Pro 9900 would be the best for attacking? How would you say the stiffness compares to some of Yonex's stiffest rackets that you have tested?

It's stiff like the Cab 22 but is forgiving yet still solid, stiffer than the 9000-X but again, more forgiving so you have better feel. It's like a SOTX Woven 11 but with good defense.

[DinkAlot]

Thanks DinkAlot,

What string did you use with your L50 ? what tension did you find it best at ?


String tension and string is personal preference. I use Ashaway Micro Power white at 30lbs.

[stjsx]

hey dinkalot, you seem quite familiar with the apacs range of rackets.
i have never used them so do not know anything. but started browsing them to look for cheaper rackets as yonex are expensive and not very durable.
back to the topic, im woondering which racket is the most suitable for hard smashing. it seems the l50 is powerful but then some have brought up the np9900, t200, vh1800, vh1500. so im a bit confused and need advice.

[weinsteinium]

hey dinkalot, you seem quite familiar with the apacs range of rackets.
i have never used them so do not know anything. but started browsing them to look for cheaper rackets as yonex are expensive and not very durable.
back to the topic, im woondering which racket is the most suitable for hard smashing. it seems the l50 is powerful but then some have brought up the np9900, t200, vh1800, vh1500. so im a bit confused and need advice.

According to the reviews I've read, your list sounds pretty good for smashing racquets, You left off the AMP series. People like the AMP95, which is very stiff, I have an AMP90 and I think that it's a little too stiff and unforgiving for my taste.

I think that all of the APACS racquets are going to feel slightly different with the VH1500 being more flexible and the NP9900 and Tantrum 200 being stiffer. It sounds like the NP9900 is the racquet if you want absolute smashing power but the L50 is the choice if you want great smashing power but you still need manuverability.

I really like the feel of the VH1800 but I suspect that it loses out the other racquets you mentioned in raw power.

I think that DinkALot covers it pretty well in this post:

Panda plays doubles and mixed so Panda used the Lethal 50. If singles, the Nano Pro 9900.

For all-around, bias towards attacking:
Lethal 50, swings like an 88g moderately end weight racket.
Tantrum 200, similar to the L50 but swings 2-3g lighter
Visible Hollow 1800, slightly different feel but a great performing racket, comparable swing weight to the L50.

For all-around, bias towards defense:
Nano Pro 9600 Tour

For all out attacking and singles players:
Nano Pro 9900, ultra stiff, solid feel, gram from gram extremely powerful
Nano Fusion 608 Pro, solid all-around, thick, aero frame
Visible Hollow 1500, a more flexible, forgiving racket, but still hits bombs.

[hoiboy79]

DinkALot, how would you compare the NP9900 to the AMP90 in terms of power and maneuverability/defense? Also, does it have the short feel of the AMP90?

[DinkAlot]

DinkALot, how would you compare the NP9900 to the AMP90 in terms of power and maneuverability/defense?

The 9900 is more powerful, defense about the same or a bit less on the 9900. But the feel of the 9900 is better, more solid, less shock even though it's stiffer.

[hoiboy79]

Does it feel shorter than a normal racket like the AMP90 does?

[DinkAlot]

Does it feel shorter than a normal racket like the AMP90 does?

The AMP90 does not feel short to me. The NP9900 does feel longer than the AMPs though.

[stjsx]

so just to confirm, am i right to say that np9900 is the racket with the greatest raw power?? coz the website does not promote it as a powerful racket but rather as a fast racket.
btw, what model of the yonex range is it a copy of, or is it a apacs creation on it own? isit like nano speed??

[DinkAlot]

so just to confirm, am i right to say that np9900 is the racket with the greatest raw power?? coz the website does not promote it as a powerful racket but rather as a fast racket.
btw, what model of the yonex range is it a copy of, or is it a apacs creation on it own? isit like nano speed??

You cannot go by APACS specs, they are not always accurate.

The NP9900 is APACS' own creation. Yonex does not have anything like it. The closest thing to the NP9900 is a SOTX Woven 11.

[stjsx]

oh i see, thks for the information.
so am i right to say that it is the most powerful apacs racket?

[DinkAlot]

oh i see, thks for the information.
so am i right to say that it is the most powerful apacs racket?

It's the most powerful APACS racket this panda has tried, relatively speaking.

[weinsteinium]

DinkALot, how would you compare the NP9900 to the AMP90 in terms of power and maneuverability/defense? Also, does it have the short feel of the AMP90?

My AMP90 is slightly long. 676-677mm. Or are you saying that it feels short to you? Mine feels normal length but I'm not sure that I can tell the difference between a 665mm racquet and a 675mm racquet so maybe I'm not qualified to comment :)

[hoiboy79]

My AMP90 is slightly long. 676-677mm. Or are you saying that it feels short to you? Mine feels normal length but I'm not sure that I can tell the difference between a 665mm racquet and a 675mm racquet so maybe I'm not qualified to comment :)

The racket is definitely shorter because when I line it up with say a Nano 900 Power along the cone, the Nano 900 power is noticeably longer. The reason the AMP90 is about the same length overall (handle and everything) as most rackets is because the handle is extra long. Because the overall length from the bottom of the cone (cap) to the top of the frame is shorter than most rackets, it feels a lot shorter.

[weinsteinium]

The racket is definitely shorter because when I line it up with say a Nano 900 Power along the cone, the Nano 900 power is noticeably longer. The reason the AMP90 is about the same length overall (handle and everything) as most rackets is because the handle is extra long. Because the overall length from the bottom of the cone (cap) to the top of the frame is shorter than most rackets, it feels a lot shorter.

The AMP90 is the only full size (675mm) racquet that I have with me at the moment. From the top of the frame to the bottom of the cone is 515mm and the handle is 161mm long.

What is normal? Or is there no normal with racquets varying significantly in handle and shaft length?

[Gold-]

hi dink asking for recomandation of racquet for a intermediate level(all around player but love to smash), which of this suit me? VH 1200 TO VH 1700 cause the racquet is almost same price, technology difference about the same, stiffness are medium and come in 3u.
(i check the information in apacscanada.com)

[gsloh]

It's the most powerful APACS racket this panda has tried, relatively speaking.

Definitely agree with that - the two that I got from you hits absolute bombs, but very fast in defence!

The snag is that after playing with the NP9900, I tried switching back to the AMP95, as my arm was getting tired form the stiffness of the racket, but found the AMP 95, my former go to racket, totally weird in feel :crying::crying::crying:!! Felt a bit like a hammer and no feel when hitting.

I'm now very tempted to get more NP9900s now!

[DinkAlot]

hi dink asking for recomandation of racquet for a intermediate level(all around player but love to smash), which of this suit me? VH 1200 TO VH 1700 cause the racquet is almost same price, technology difference about the same, stiffness are medium and come in 3u.
(i check the information in apacscanada.com)

I'd say go for the VH1800, that's the best VH IMHO. The 1700 is great too but a bit too head heavy as is the 1500 which is more flexible and forgiving.

[Gold-]

I'd say go for the VH1800, that's the best VH IMHO. The 1700 is great too but a bit too head heavy as is the 1500 which is more flexible and forgiving.

thx dink but does the VH1800 come in 3u? and how does the VH1500 compare with VH1800 in head heavyness,durability,maneuverability.
and thx again for the reply

[weinsteinium]

thx dink but does the VH1800 come in 3u? and how does the VH1500 compare with VH1800 in head heavyness,durability,maneuverability.
and thx again for the reply

The VH1800 definitely comes in 3U 'cause I have one. I've heard that the VH1500 is more head heavy and less manuverable than the VH1800 but I've never played with a VH1500.

[ulric5]

I'd say go for the VH1800, that's the best VH IMHO. The 1700 is great too but a bit too head heavy as is the 1500 which is more flexible and forgiving.

Hi Dink,

How about VH1600 compared to the VH1700 and VH1800?

Thinking about changing from AMP90 to one of the above. :D

Thanx.

[DinkAlot]

Get the VH1800, it's the best all-around. Wait for my updated review tonight for the differences. :D



Hi Dink,

How about VH1600 compared to the VH1700 and VH1800?

Thinking about changing from AMP90 to one of the above. :D

Thanx.

[ulric5]

Get the VH1800, it's the best all-around. Wait for my updated review tonight for the differences. :D

Looking forward to it. :D

[hoiboy79]

To DinkAlot or anyone else:

How would you compare the Lethal 35 to the Nano Pro 9900? The NP9900 is an all out attacking racket according to Dink, but I have not heard much about the Lethal 35. Can someone please share their experiences with this racket?

[Tsumaranai]

I would assume it would play somewhat similar to the Lethal 50, if not a bit less powerful.

[DinkAlot]

I would assume it would play somewhat similar to the Lethal 50, if not a bit less powerful.


Sir, please do not assume, the L35 plays nothing like the L50. They are completely different rackets.

[Tsumaranai]

Sorry about that. I was just conjecturing. But you are right, rackets in the same series may play completely different.

[DinkAlot]

To DinkAlot or anyone else:

How would you compare the Lethal 35 to the Nano Pro 9900? The NP9900 is an all out attacking racket according to Dink, but I have not heard much about the Lethal 35. Can someone please share their experiences with this racket?

I have reviewed many of the APACS rackets and updated them in racket review. I didn't post it here and guess I should so here it is:

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7683/rackets.gif

[Tsumaranai]

The Apacs L35 is still not among them. I am wondering where you got the Super Light, though, as I have not seen it on any site.

[issarakaya]

^
Apacs nano superlight, chrome finishing :D i feel little bit head heavy and medium shaft. Agree with @dink opinion, great for doubles and defense player.

[Tsumaranai]

Wow, that is a pretty head-heavy racket from these specs.

Technical Specifications

Material: Toray T1000 ( Ultra High Strength Nano Carbon)
Weight: 72-74g
Balance Point: 315mm +/- 3mm
Length 675mm

[DinkAlot]

The Apacs L35 is still not among them. I am wondering where you got the Super Light, though, as I have not seen it on any site.

My bad, I just checked the review, the L25 review is actually the L30 review and the L30 is actually the L35 review. Panda error. :p

I have not tried the L20 or L25. Will update it.

[lwiew]

Hey all, I was just wondering whether anyone has encountered this with respect to APACs rackets:

I have two APACS Armor Muscle Pro 88s. I purchased both of them from the same person about 2 years apart.

I compared my new racket with my older racket and I noticed some very interesting things:

- The older racket is about 2 cm SHORTER than the newer racket - stood them up side by on their handles on the gym floor and the difference was VERY noticeable.
- The 'white' parts of the older racket are actually a CREAM colour, not because it is old, or because i've rubbed ash into it or anything like that but because it really is just cream coloured. The 'white' on the newer racket is very very white.
- The 'ARMOR MUSCLE' on the shaft on both rackets is shiny, but on the old racket, it is much more shiny and reflects a very wide spectrum of colours, whereas on the newer racket it is only a shiny white/grey.

I have been using the older racket for 3 years and it is the best racket I have ever used. There is virtually no paint on it now because of all the clashes and crashes I have had but it has still not broken there are absolutely no cracks in it.

I compared both my rackets with my friend's AMP88, which was purchased 2 years ago from the same dealer and his is exactly the same as my NEWER one.

So, just wondering, has anyone encountered this before? Is it just a different batch? How is it possible that two of the same rackets are so different from each other?


Cheers

[soccer613]

VH1500,

Do you leave VH1500 out on purpose?
Or it is so bad to review?
I got 1 from you and very happy with it so far + AMP90

Cheers

[DinkAlot]

VH1500,

Do you leave VH1500 out on purpose?
Or it is so bad to review?
I got 1 from you and very happy with it so far + AMP90

Cheers


Is this question directed at me? :confused:

If so, please re-read Post # 407, I did review the VH1500, it's # 18.

[jymbalaya]

- The older racket is about 2 cm SHORTER than the newer racket - stood them up side by on their handles on the gym floor and the difference was VERY noticeable.
Cheers

yow, 655mm? That is pretty short. Shorter than most rackets in general. Make usre first.

There is a different release of the AMP's. the other one should be 670mm and has slightly different specs. it is older, just like yours.

[soccer613]

Is this question directed at me? :confused:

If so, please re-read Post # 407, I did review the VH1500, it's # 18.

My bad,
FYI, I feel way better with AMP90 and VH1500.
Can not get the true feeling with AMP95
Anyway, I think APACS is ROCK
My son really loves the Nano900 Red as well


:):):):):D:o

[k3ith]

HI Sir Drinkalot,

What do you mean by "Tantrum 200, similar to the L50 but swings 2-3g lighter"
Does it mean that it will be less powerful but swing faster than the Lethal 50?

Pls advise,

thanks

[DinkAlot]

Please read re-read what I wrote carefully. If I say something plays similar, what do you think it means? Come on! :p Then I say it swings 2-3g lighter...how else do you want me to describe it? :p

Power is all relative and completely subjective. If you can handle the T200 and not the L50, then you will think the T200 is more powerful, if you can handle the L50 then certainly you can take the T200; then the L50 will feel more powerful.

So it's all about you and what you can do with the rackets. :)



HI Sir Drinkalot,

What do you mean by "Tantrum 200, similar to the L50 but swings 2-3g lighter"
Does it mean that it will be less powerful but swing faster than the Lethal 50?

Pls advise,

thanks

[waccoinc]

can anybody tell me where to buy apacs amp series. i'm not satisfy to buy online. i like to feel it before i buy. but i'm comfirm going to get one of those amp series, can anyone help me?? even if you tell me it is selling in kl, i'll come all the way from penang. thats for sure. cannot bear all the poison by Bcer user about this apacs series....thanks in advanced....

[trickflick]

thanks for your time Sir Dink :):)

now i have a better sense of what racquet to buy~

[AT500Gravity]

yo so there is a warehouse in markham ontario?
im interested about apacs since it is cheap n pro
so i want da direct location there
can sum1 gimme da address
cant find it on da internet

[krantea]

yo so there is a warehouse in markham ontario?
im interested about apacs since it is cheap n pro
so i want da direct location there
can sum1 gimme da address
cant find it on da internet
-------------

why don't you email the guys at http://www.apacscanada.com/contact_us.php

They respond to queries pretty soon.

[AT500Gravity]

would any1 recommmend a edgesabre10 to me?
can any1 review this racket b4 i buy it because i dont want to waste 68bucks for it
shippin is gonna ocme bout nex month so i hav 1mth to review it n to c if it fits my playin style...

[phandrew]

would any1 recommmend a edgesabre10 to me?
can any1 review this racket b4 i buy it because i dont want to waste 68bucks for it
shippin is gonna ocme bout nex month so i hav 1mth to review it n to c if it fits my playin style...

How about you tell us your playing style and we will tell you if it fits you.

[AT500Gravity]

sure i like to smash,clears n drops
usually play offensive if i hav chance
not really into drives,net
suk at defensive since my racket is head heavy
thx 4 helpin

[AT500Gravity]

wow a lethal 50 is like apac best racket?i so i might get it instead of a es10 since heard rumors bout clones aint as good as apacs own line.thx for da review dink;)now tht i no which racket to get :D

[weinsteinium]

wow a lethal 50 is like apac best racket?i so i might get it instead of a es10 since heard rumors bout clones aint as good as apacs own line.thx for da review dink;)now tht i no which racket to get :D

Just one thing to think about, the Lethal 50 is a very stiff racquet (rated as Very Stiff- by DinkALot). If you don't generate a lot of power on your own, you might find that it is too stiff for you. What racquet are you playing with now?

The Lethal 50 is stiffer than the Nanospeed 9000S and all of the Armortecs but less stiff than the Nanospeed 9000X.

If you aren't prepared for that kind of stiffness you could get a Visible Hollow 1800, Tantrum 200 or Nano Fusion 608 pro and still get great power, defense and feel (I'm projecting from DinkALot's reviews here because of the four I've only played with the VH1800).

[AT500Gravity]

im currently playin with a armortec 500
so yu sayin tht i sld just get a vh1800,tantrum 200,or nano fusion 608 pro instead?But wat other racjet is very close to lethal 50 but aint as stiff?how do yu generate a lot of power on your own usin a racket?wat yu mean now im confused

[Athelete1234]

We're all confused by your typing ;)

The L50 gets its power, a lot by being so stiff. If you can only use the AT500, you will want something that is less stiff... to use a stiff racquet you have to be able to swing very fast all of the time. You should look at other racquets, like the VH1800.

[AT500Gravity]

btw my bad bout me typin:'(
i can swing me racket quite fast but its just tht my techniques r wrong with my smash since i only flick me wrist when doin a smash
w/o doin da full stroke

[AT500Gravity]

so is tantrum 200 easier to produce power than a lethal 50?
im just gonna buy 1 of the two ablove.but is the lethal 50 more powerful than da tantrum 200,but tantrum 200 is more easier to provide power r sumthin
thx :D

[AT500Gravity]

gonna get a tantrum 200:D but wat string color shld i get?wanna hlep me?

[ilovedude]

What so big deal about color of string. It is solely personal preference.

[squallyeo]

sir dink, have u tried apacs nano 9900 power (clone of YY nanospeed 9900)? it looks like n feels better in its swing then edgesaber 10. i'm considering it

[DinkAlot]

sir dink, have u tried apacs nano 9900 power (clone of YY nanospeed 9900)? it looks like n feels better in its swing then edgesaber 10. i'm considering it

Never tried the 9900 clone. I would not be surprised if the 9900 clone swings and feels better than the the ES10 as I don't find it to be a particularly good racket, especially when compared to APACS best rackets.

But for the money, the ES10 is good bang-for-the-buck.

[ulric5]

sir dink, have u tried apacs nano 9900 power (clone of YY nanospeed 9900)? it looks like n feels better in its swing then edgesaber 10. i'm considering it

Test swung the Apacs Nano Power 9900 a few times aready at AJ Puchong.

I think u should stick with ur Ti-10 yellow. :D

[ilovedude]

Hi, Dan,
Apacs Furious 767 has a zic-zac grommet design, so when you string it is there any difference compare to the regular ones ? So if the cross goes from the zic (down) up to the zac (up) one and so on, the tension will in fact gets higher than the usual one, correct. Thanks.

[DinkAlot]

The Furious 767, aka "Spiderman Racket" as my double's partner calls it; who, incidentally uses it as his go to racket, just loves it.

The string pattern is the same as a traditional string pattern but it's a bit tricky to get the strings perfectly lined up as they have a tendency to cross.

And yes, the racket strings a bit tighter, so a 25lbs. string job feels like 26 or 26.5lbs.

Finally, the only downfall I can find is it's easier to break the string on mishits near the edges of the racket because of the increased tension and friction due to the increased angle of the criss-crossing string. But boy does the racket play well, the Spidey racket is awesome for doubles.


Hi, Dan,
Apacs Furious 767 has a zic-zac grommet design, so when you string it is there any difference compare to the regular ones ? So if the cross goes from the zic (down) up to the zac (up) one and so on, the tension will in fact gets higher than the usual one, correct. Thanks.

[squallyeo]

Never tried the 9900 clone. I would not be surprised if the 9900 clone swings and feels better than the the ES10 as I don't find it to be a particularly good racket, especially when compared to APACS best rackets.

But for the money, the ES10 is good bang-for-the-buck.

well, sir dink, in malaysia the price of es10 n 9900 clone is the same. i'm considering the 9900 clone bcoz its swing feels better than es10 n the 'connection'


Test swung the Apacs Nano Power 9900 a few times aready at AJ Puchong.

I think u should stick with ur Ti-10 yellow. :D
between shaft n handle seems better(if u know wat i mean)

hi, ulric5. well my ti10 has a crack n i dun reli dare to use it anymore, maybe will keep it as souvenir(my favourite racket ever). thinking of buying the 9900 clone to be my spare(so cheap, rm110 rite?) although i have a wilson ncode n7 as spare already.

i had no 'go to' racket now. considering rsl x3 heat 9180. anyone know tested tis racket pls giv some review somewhere(sorry for trespassing tis thread)

[yanzhi0714]

hmm...wondering....
are Nano 9900 Power and Nano Pro 9900 the same thing?

please advice thanks.
and im currently looking into Furious 60 and also Nano Fusion 608 Pro. Are they worth buying?


and...anyone know their current Malaysian prices? thanks!

[hoiboy79]

hmm...wondering....
are Nano 9900 Power and Nano Pro 9900 the same thing?

please advice thanks.
and im currently looking into Furious 60 and also Nano Fusion 608 Pro. Are they worth buying?


and...anyone know their current Malaysian prices? thanks!

Something tells me you are looking into the eBay seller of APACS rackets haha.

[yanzhi0714]

Something tells me you are looking into the eBay seller of APACS rackets haha.

you do are smart :D
yea~ currently looking to buy from the ebay guy. bought 2 racquets from them last year.

now im confused which ones to buy...furious 60 pricetag is quite high...

[yanzhi0714]

anyone knows bout the 9900 Power and Pro 9900 question?

hmm...seems like i'm choosing between many singles biased racquets (e.g. Nano Fusion 608 Pro, Visible Hollow 1500...etc...)

could I still play doubles with them without any major problems?
>.< maybe this is the ultimate stupid question in badminton...

[weinsteinium]

anyone knows bout the 9900 Power and Pro 9900 question?

The APACS Nano 9900 Power is a clone of the Yonex Nanospeed 9900 (same paint job), no idea if they play the same.

The APACS Nano Pro 9900 is the racquet that DinkALot reviewed as being a hugely powerful, stiff racquet.

I don't think that they are selling the Nano Pro 9900 on ebay.

As for doubles play, I guess that depends on what you like for doubles. For me, if I'm playing guys that aren't very good, I can use anything :). If they are better than me than I need a faster racquet. I think that generally anything that DinkALot rates as good defense is probably ok for doubles. So the Nano Fusion 608 Pro should be ok.

As for the VH1500, it was too headheavy for me to use as a doubles racquet.

If you are looking for an APAC racquet for doubles on ebay you could try the Furious 767.

[yanzhi0714]

The APACS Nano 9900 Power is a clone of the Yonex Nanospeed 9900 (same paint job), no idea if they play the same.

The APACS Nano Pro 9900 is the racquet that DinkALot reviewed as being a hugely powerful, stiff racquet.

I don't think that they are selling the Nano Pro 9900 on ebay.

As for doubles play, I guess that depends on what you like for doubles. For me, if I'm playing guys that aren't very good, I can use anything :). If they are better than me than I need a faster racquet. I think that generally anything that DinkALot rates as good defense is probably ok for doubles. So the Nano Fusion 608 Pro should be ok.

As for the VH1500, it was too headheavy for me to use as a doubles racquet.

If you are looking for an APAC racquet for doubles on ebay you could try the Furious 767.


thank you weinsteinium~ the seller says he will have the tantrum 200 in May, should I wait a few more weeks instead? :D


The Furious 767 and Furious 60...I have read no reviews regarding the 60...will they differ much? and also with the Nano Fusion 608 Pro. from Sir Dink's review, they seem a bit similar aren't they?

[weinsteinium]

thank you weinsteinium~ the seller says he will have the tantrum 200 in May, should I wait a few more weeks instead? :D


I've never tried the Tantrum 200 but I've heard very nice things about it. The Tantrum 11 Int'l also (the seller told me that he had ordered some of those also). Less stiff than Tantrum 200, the Tantrum 11 Int'l is supposed to be very fast and manuverable while still maintaining good power and feel.

Hard to say whether you should wait, since I'm not exactly sure what you are looking for in a racquet. Stiff? Powerful? Defensive? All around?



The Furious 767 and Furious 60...I have read no reviews regarding the 60...will they differ much? and also with the Nano Fusion 608 Pro. from Sir Dink's review, they seem a bit similar aren't they?Based on what apacscanada told me, the Furious 60 is extra stiff and also it's a woven racquet.
The Furious 767 has a zig-zag string pattern and weighs about 2 grams less than the Nano Fusion 608 pro.

but I haven't played with any of them so I can't make any recommendations :)

[yanzhi0714]

Thanks for your nice analysis.


I've never tried the Tantrum 200 but I've heard very nice things about it. The Tantrum 11 Int'l also (the seller told me that he had ordered some of those also). Less stiff than Tantrum 200, the Tantrum 11 Int'l is supposed to be very fast and manuverable while still maintaining good power and feel.

Hard to say whether you should wait, since I'm not exactly sure what you are looking for in a racquet. Stiff? Powerful? Defensive? All around?

I'm more towards an all around racquet, I've already got an older Nano 1900 Speed and also an EdgeSaber 10, in which I found myself playing better with the stiffer Nano 1900 Speed. So maybe Stiffer? More powerful + all around? :owonder if there's such a racquet out there...:D

Do you mean the ebay seller told you they're going to have Tantrum 11 too?


Based on what apacscanada told me, the Furious 60 is extra stiff and also it's a woven racquet.
The Furious 767 has a zig-zag string pattern and weighs about 2 grams less than the Nano Fusion 608 pro.

but I haven't played with any of them so I can't make any recommendations :)

Really hope there are reviews about the Furious 60.
I'm quite confused which weight class of racquets to choose, and also which tensions to have them strung with... e.g. stiff racquets should be strung at higher tensions? or lower?..how bout medium racquets...high/low tensions?.. :o too many questions at once...hope this won't annoy you or anyone else...

THANKS!

[weinsteinium]

Thanks for your nice analysis.



I'm more towards an all around racquet, I've already got an older Nano 1900 Speed and also an EdgeSaber 10, in which I found myself playing better with the stiffer Nano 1900 Speed. So maybe Stiffer? More powerful + all around? :owonder if there's such a racquet out there...:D

Based on what you said, I'd think about looking at the:

Nano Fusion 608 Pro (stiff, very powerful while still maintaining defense (based on DinkALot's review)
Visible Hollow 1800 (Stiff, very powerful while still maintaining good defense. Excellent feel and very forgiving on mishits (based on DinkALot's review and my experience))
Tantrum 200 (Very stiff, very powerful and manuverable, but you need to generate the power as is typical of very stiff racquets (Based on DinkALot's review)
Furious 767 (Stiff, good power and defense. Very solid (based on DinkALot's review)
Tantrum 11 International (stiff, good power but very manuverable and fast. Great feel. Its specs are like 85g with a 285mm balance point (based on what Ormy4 told me)

Those are racquets that are on either side of balanced (with the F767 and T200 being in the middle and the NF 608 pro and VH1800 being on the power side and the T11 Int'l being on the defense side).

So, um, I actually added more racquets to your list instead. And the only reason I left the F60 off the list is because I haven't heard any reviews. Although I would stay away from extra stiff racquets unless you know that you liked them already. Usually stiff is about all people can handle.



Do you mean the ebay seller told you they're going to have Tantrum 11 too?


Yes, the guy told me that he was ordering the T11 Int'l and T200 along with the VH1700 and VH1800



Really hope there are reviews about the Furious 60.

Sorry, none from me. But I'd think twice about getting an extra stiff racquet unless you had played with one before and liked it.

I found that the AMP90 was too stiff for me. Here's my experience with a very stiff racquet...When I am in the right position (like recieving a singles serve or playing back court in doubles) I can really t-off on the birdie and hit hard. But when I'm out of position or trying to play shots that are mostly wrist I get a lot less power.




I'm quite confused which weight class of racquets to choose, and also which tensions to have them strung with... e.g. stiff racquets should be strung at higher tensions? or lower?..how bout medium racquets...high/low tensions?.. :o too many questions at once...hope this won't annoy you or anyone else...

THANKS!

If I'm worried that a racquet is too stiff I'd go a little lower on the tension.

Here's my theory of string tension and racquet stiffness (I think that they work pretty similarly): A flexible racquet basically generates the power for you by flexing and then rebounding. A stiff racquet transmits the power that you are bringing to the birdie. If you were to give a powerful pro player a flexible racquet they wouldn't be able to hit as hard because they are bringing a huge amount of power the shot and most of it is being lost when the racquet flexes. On the other hand, if you give a stiff racquet to the beginner they aren't going to have very much power to transmit through to the birdie and the racquet isn't going to make any for them so they won't hit very hard (and it will feel like the are wielding a brick).

I think that strings work similarly. Basically, if you don't know if you like stiff racquets and high tension then you probably don't :) So should go for a less stiff racquet and medium tension strings.

I think that 24 is a good number for a player that has pretty good skills. And 22 for a beginner. Then you can start creeping higher and see how it feels. When it feels like you aren't hitting as hard, lower it back down.

For me, I returned from a long badminton hiatus and immediately got a stiff racquet strung at 26 and it felt very flat. I think that a year-and-a-half later I would do much better with that same racquet. I am much stronger and have much better technique.

Oh yeah, I also think that you open yourself up to a greater chance of injury by using a racquet that is too stiff. You start swinging a lot harder and can injure your shoulder. I was having some shoulder pain but it got better. And I got a lot stronger but I think that a gradual increase is safer than a sharp jump :)

Now the VH1800 feels great in my hands at 27lbs.

[hoiboy79]

you do are smart :D
yea~ currently looking to buy from the ebay guy. bought 2 racquets from them last year.

now im confused which ones to buy...furious 60 pricetag is quite high...

This eBay guy happily does bargains. His list price for the Lethal 35 is 70 USD, but he sold it to me for 50. Really a great deal. Try bargaining with him and he should lower the price for you.

[lagigolo]

Can anybody confirm if the ebay guys racquets come in covers or will i have to buy my own?

[phandrew]

Can anybody confirm if the ebay guys racquets come in covers or will i have to buy my own?

apacs rackets don't come with racket cases. Only 1 or 2 do which are limited edition rackets.

[yanzhi0714]

Based on what you said, I'd think about looking at the:

Nano Fusion 608 Pro (stiff, very powerful while still maintaining defense (based on DinkALot's review)
Visible Hollow 1800 (Stiff, very powerful while still maintaining good defense. Excellent feel and very forgiving on mishits (based on DinkALot's review and my experience))
Tantrum 200 (Very stiff, very powerful and manuverable, but you need to generate the power as is typical of very stiff racquets (Based on DinkALot's review)
Furious 767 (Stiff, good power and defense. Very solid (based on DinkALot's review)
Tantrum 11 International (stiff, good power but very manuverable and fast. Great feel. Its specs are like 85g with a 285mm balance point (based on what Ormy4 told me)

Those are racquets that are on either side of balanced (with the F767 and T200 being in the middle and the NF 608 pro and VH1800 being on the power side and the T11 Int'l being on the defense side).

Thanks for this great effort of yours.;) I've emailed the guy, going to get a NF608Pro and VH1500 from him. Dont know whether the "extra stiff" given to L60 is true or not....since Sir DinkAlot says their specs will most probably be well off.


Sorry, none from me. But I'd think twice about getting an extra stiff racquet unless you had played with one before and liked it.

I found that the AMP90 was too stiff for me. Here's my experience with a very stiff racquet...When I am in the right position (like recieving a singles serve or playing back court in doubles) I can really t-off on the birdie and hit hard. But when I'm out of position or trying to play shots that are mostly wrist I get a lot less power.

Haven't really know what's the "stiff" end of racquets and "flex" ends of racquets yet, as I've only used ES10 and N1900S. But I do think I'm not up to the skill levels required to use extra stiffs :D


If you don't know if you like stiff racquets and high tension then you probably don't :) So should go for a less stiff racquet and medium tension strings.

I think that 24 is a good number for a player that has pretty good skills. And 22 for a beginner. Then you can start creeping higher and see how it feels. When it feels like you aren't hitting as hard, lower it back down.

Oh yeah, I also think that you open yourself up to a greater chance of injury by using a racquet that is too stiff. You start swinging a lot harder and can injure your shoulder. I was having some shoulder pain but it got better. And I got a lot stronger but I think that a gradual increase is safer than a sharp jump :)

Have to thank you for your patience in giving such thorough advice to a "not new but still beginner" player like me. I did have my strings strung at 23 last time, it felt quite ok...probably also becuz i dont have the chance to try other numbers :p

conclusion: get a ~24lbs strung medium-stiff all rounder racquet. :)

Thanks to weinsteinium for all the help! :D

[lagigolo]

apacs rackets don't come with racket cases. Only 1 or 2 do which are limited edition rackets.

Thanks, have just ordered a couple so will have to ask around for some old covers.

[weinsteinium]

Thanks for this great effort of yours.;) I've emailed the guy, going to get a NF608Pro and VH1500 from him. Dont know whether the "extra stiff" given to L60 is true or not....since Sir DinkAlot says their specs will most probably be well off.

The specs are definitely off. Sometimes the spec for a given racquet will be different on different sites and might not even match what's printed on the racquet. For example a friend of mine got a Nano Fusion 7900 and it's listed as 3U on apaccanada.com and apacs-sports.com but had a sticker on it that said 2U. And the Edgesaber 10 is listed as 4U and stiff but the ones that DinkALot weighed were 89g with medium flexibility.

On the other hand, Kam at Apacscanada.com told me that the F60 is pretty stiff so I figure that it really is.



Have to thank you for your patience in giving such thorough advice to a "not new but still beginner" player like me. I did have my strings strung at 23 last time, it felt quite ok...probably also becuz i dont have the chance to try other numbers :p

conclusion: get a ~24lbs strung medium-stiff all rounder racquet. :)

Thanks to weinsteinium for all the help! :D

If you like 23 you can always stick with it. Or try 24 and see if it gets better or worse. If you don't like to get your racquet restrung then sticking with what works makes sense. If you like to change your string every once in a while anyways then try creeping higher and see how it feels :)

Oh yeah, one more thing, I feel that I have better touch on drops and other control shots at higher tensions.

[ilovedude]

weinsteinium (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=32348)
Tantrum is Stiff + NOT very stiff.The rating should be something like this.
very stiff+, very stiff, very stiff-, stiff+, stiff, stiff-.......... Please don't quote it wrong.

[phandrew]

weinsteinium (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=32348)
Tantrum is Stiff + NOT very stiff.The rating should be something like this.
very stiff+, very stiff, very stiff-, stiff+, stiff, stiff-.......... Please don't quote it wrong.

Stiffness is subjective. Certain people will find it stiffer than others.

[ilovedude]

Everything I quote is ALL referring to Dan's standard.

[weinsteinium]

Everything I quote is ALL referring to Dan's standard.

I was trying to describe the racquets, not use DinkALot's exact terminology. Notice that I didn't use excellent to describe the power or any plusses and minuses.

[amfslash]

mr panda, how are the apacs bags? specifically the gold one in the pic (AP1005) and also AP1006 (the blue one i think).. both are 3 compartments and have thermal pads.. i just want to know what the quality is like as i just want a reasonable priced kit bag.. thanks!



Happy Panda! Panda just received his order from APACs Canada: www.apacscanada.com (http://www.apacscanada.com). There's lots of interesting stuff to test. :D

Just from inspection, the racket fit and fit finish and materials used appear to be excellent. Also notable, APACs 3 compartment racket bags are at least 2" wider than the Yonex's 3 compartment and the materials used seem excellent. Panda thinks he finally found a backpack strap type racket bag big enough! :eek:...:)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1571/apacs1kv0.jpg

[DinkAlot]

The bags are very good. Very solid and very spacious. They are both recommended.


mr panda, how are the apacs bags? specifically the gold one in the pic (AP1005) and also AP1006 (the blue one i think).. both are 3 compartments and have thermal pads.. i just want to know what the quality is like as i just want a reasonable priced kit bag.. thanks!

[amfslash]

recommendation noted, thanks a bunch...

[yanzhi0714]

hi everyone! juz here to ask for recommendations~ after reading Sir Panda's great racket reviews, i've decided to go for either a Tantrum 200/ Visible Hollow 1800.

I'm 168cm in height, around 100lbs in weight. skill level: beginner-intermediate? mostly play to clear opponent's smashes steered towards the back of the courts, and do like to try to hit some nice smashes...

i have got my previous racquets strung at 23lbs...do i do the same to the Tantrum 200/VH1800? Or should I try out at 25lbs? Please do advise me as I do not know whether lower tensions will "waste" the racquets or tension of the strings are just merely personal preference?

THANKS!

[NV650NV]

Hi, Sir DinkAlot,
Have you by any chance tried the Apacs strings e.g APACS Spider Ti 66 ? If so are they any good?
Thx

[ilovedude]

Dink,
For Furious 767, how many crosses do you string ?
Thanks

[awanxbaia]

Did lots of testing yesterday (~7 hours) and busted a combined 5 strings. :p

And this is what I found:
APACs rackets are excellent to first-rate in quality. All of them are good to excellent performing and for the money, among the best bargains around.

Initial impressions:


Armor Muscle Pro 88
Armor Muscle Pro 90
Armor Muscle Pro 95
The AMPs are among the most solid, well-built rackets I have ever tried. They are powerful, stable and stiff. This should be no surprise as they are made of 50T UHMG. They feel pretty much the same except the BP, 290, 295, 305mm respectively. These are my current go to rackets along with the Nano Power 9600 Tour.

Edge Saber 7: for me, plays better than the original. A bit too flexy for my tastes but a very good all-around racket with the emphasis on control. Also as powerful or more so than the original.

Nano Power 900 Red
Nano Power 900 White
Both play about the same. The White is more aerodynamic, faster through the zone while the Red is a bit slower but hits a bit harder. Both are awesome rackets. So awesome that my double's partner has switched over these rackets. I feel both are on par to better than their original counterparts.

Visible Hollow 1600
Visible Hollow 1700
Visible Hollow 1800
An interesting design. Feel different, can't explain it yet fully but it's a good thing once you get used to it. The hollow shaft...I guess it works. It certainly looks cool. More as I test it...

Nano Pro 9600 Tour
An awesome racket, reminds me of the NS9000, inbetween the X and S in stiffness. Better built, as good if not better performance. Fast head, good defense, powerful. A great all-around, attacking racket. I really like this racket.

Two enthusiastic thumbs up for APACs rackets so far!

Can You try APACS Ti-10?
I need the review...

[demolidor]

Can You try APACS Ti-10?
I need the review...

He should buy it and review it so you can maybe buy it :confused:.

Maybe you can/should ask here: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1174437&postcount=1678

(http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39002)

[awanxbaia]

I just buy it but i don't found any review from apacs site. Maybe people on this forum can explain about this racket in detail.

[alternat0]

Just one thing to think about, the Lethal 50 is a very stiff racquet (rated as Very Stiff- by DinkALot). If you don't generate a lot of power on your own, you might find that it is too stiff for you. What racquet are you playing with now?

The Lethal 50 is stiffer than the Nanospeed 9000S and all of the Armortecs but less stiff than the Nanospeed 9000X.

If you aren't prepared for that kind of stiffness you could get a Visible Hollow 1800, Tantrum 200 or Nano Fusion 608 pro and still get great power, defense and feel (I'm projecting from DinkALot's reviews here because of the four I've only played with the VH1800).

if i'm used to YY AT800Off, would i be able to generate enough power?

[xtorm]

got a furius 767 due to dinkalot review..haha

swing is nice, bought 2 rackets this week:crying::(

[max_cjs0101]

I like APACS racquets too.I recently acquired a APACS Visible Hollow 1500 and a APACS Power Concept 1000.
I feel that the Hollow 1500 gives me a new experience during games because its kinda weird when im using that racquet.I like it but at the same time i cant get used to it during games.On the other hand,the Power Concept 1000(an old model i think) is very light.

[weinsteinium]

if i'm used to YY AT800Off, would i be able to generate enough power?

Hard to say without knowing more about you. The AT800OF is Stiff+ according to DinkALot, the same as the VH1800 and Nano Pro 608. The Lethal 50 and Tantrum 200 are more stiff at Very Stiff-.

You are only going one notch stiffer so you are probably OK, but if you feel that the AT800OF is pretty stiff already you might want to avoid the Lethal 50 and Tantrum 200.

[ahson]

Still no one has test and review the Apacs Nano Power 9900?

[jymbalaya]

they have. there is a review thread. search for it. if should still be on the first page.

[cvooncv]

i am a player like yanzhi0714 "not new but still a beginer" ...
after reading this post, found out apacs have alot of good racket, so looking for a nice and good apacs weapon....
Need you guy an advice that what apacs should i buy???
now i am using yy nc-tuff 9 racket at 23lbs bg66, playing mixed double.
Thank alot guy...
:D:D:D

[yanzhi0714]

haha~ VH1800 is quite good...very powerful...very excellent build, clashed head on with my fren's racquet on 1st time use...only paint chips came off....but kinda heartache hahaha...

only cons would be it's not very aerodynamic (due to the broad frame).

[daren2]

Hello,

Is VH1200 any good? i can't find any review for VH1200

Thanks

[alternat0]

Hard to say without knowing more about you. The AT800OF is Stiff+ according to DinkALot, the same as the VH1800 and Nano Pro 608. The Lethal 50 and Tantrum 200 are more stiff at Very Stiff-.

You are only going one notch stiffer so you are probably OK, but if you feel that the AT800OF is pretty stiff already you might want to avoid the Lethal 50 and Tantrum 200.

well... i finally decided on NP900white, since i wanted to try their yy clones, and also due to financial constraints ;) and didn't regret even a bit... i should say i really like the racket, feel great. never tried the yy, but this is nice. another thumbs up for APACS.
i might want to change to yy bg-65 string. any recommendation for tension? (usual i use 28) currently in with APACS string, but isn't available (hard to get) where i am now.

btw, i also got a ES10. but don't really feel comfortable playing with it. i don't get as much power like with my NP900w. maybe string/tension problem?? any recommendation...

[jymbalaya]

its because the edge saber isnt as head heavy/ you aren't as used to it. i am sure, if you use it more overtime, it'll be fine

use BG65@whatever tension you like. should be fine.

[alternat0]

its because the edge saber isnt as head heavy/ you aren't as used to it. i am sure, if you use it more overtime, it'll be fine

use BG65@whatever tension you like. should be fine.

ah ok... i was thinking of using ES if i would be playing more defensive. is that right? and NP if more attacking?

[BOUBOS1957]

Need Help. I can no longer find the Great Panda's Racket Table, and I am looking at getting some Apacs.
Can somebody forward me the link. PLEASE....
Thanks.

[Danstevens]

Need Help. I can no longer find the Great Panda's Racket Table, and I am looking at getting some Apacs.
Can somebody forward me the link. PLEASE....
Thanks.

You will find it here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45209).

[cayzi]

I started to look APACs racket and I like them. Because I don't have options to see them in shops (I'm from Europe) can somebody guide me true their line?

A lot of readinh about VH 1800 and Tantrum 200 and 300. What about other models?

Is there any graph where is possible to see what kind of racket I'm looking in?

Regards

[BOUBOS1957]

On top of Sir Panda's reviews, you can also read the following Blog, where Anthony is giving great reviews of most of the Apacs line, even on the recently out Lethal 70. http://badminton-racket.blogspot.com/ which seems outstanding.

[gkyw228]

i have a question about the lethal 30/35 with 4 oval ports at the head,
the oval ports looks quite big, and seems easy to get crack.
should i strung it the normal way 2 strings/4 knots at 24/26lbs, cross
start from head. any thing i need to pay attention to..

[kingskawn]

Hi Dink

I'm looking for a replacement of my Sotx Woven 8 so I was thinking of a Apacs Lethal 50, Tantrum 200, Visible Hollow 1800 or Z-Slash Attacking.

I'm a single player (but also play doubles in competition) and I'm very attacking and agressive player.
Do you have any comment to give on the models I am looking at?

[staiger]

whats the difference between Tantrum 200 vs Tantrum 300 , also the comparison between Lethal 50 vs lethal 70

[alternat0]

hi all!

anybody have APACS Malaysia's contact information? i mean the company not stores... kindly PM me ;)

thanks b4!

(double posted in another thread too...)