APACs Rackets and Stuff: Christmas comes early for Panda!

[DinkAlot]

Happy Panda! Panda just received his order from APACs Canada: www.apacscanada.com (http://www.apacscanada.com). There's lots of interesting stuff to test. :D

Just from inspection, the racket fit and fit finish and materials used appear to be excellent. Also notable, APACs 3 compartment racket bags are at least 2" wider than the Yonex's 3 compartment and the materials used seem excellent. Panda thinks he finally found a backpack strap type racket bag big enough! :eek:...:)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1571/apacs1kv0.jpg

[cooler]

your fibrous diet of rackets are incomprehensible:p

[david07]

Wow, lots of Apacs stuff there. Give some feedback to them later please.

[DinkAlot]

Wow, lots of Apacs stuff there. Give some feedback to them later please.

Stringing now...will test all the rackets and add them to my racket review.

[david07]

Can you tell us what are the specific racket models?

[jerby]

what in the world are you going to do with 14 racketbags? :p

anyway, keep us up to speed ;)
(and offcourse, how much are they really like the yonex they 'clone'...though I'm happy to see some 'original' stuff, good news indeed)

So you're really going to string ~10 rackets at 28lbs and grip them all (the works) just for a test?
you're one dedicated panda :p

[DinkAlot]

So you're really going to string ~10 rackets at 28lbs and grip them all (the works) just for a test?
you're one dedicated panda :p

No. I'm going to string ~10 rackets at 31lbs. and grip them all...

...oh wait, Coach Don and others want to test the rackets...I need to string them at 28lbs. I should string them at 26 but I can't stand anything lower than 28. :p

[ctjcad]

Happy Panda! Panda just received his order from APACs Canada: www.apacscanada.com (http://www.apacscanada.com). There's lots of interesting stuff to test. :D
...
..i have a feeling the APACs dealer in Canada must've been ecstatic when he found out it's the Great Panda on the other line..:);)

*phone ringing*
APACs dealer: Hellow, APACs Canada, may i help you??
NGP: Good morning sir, this is the Great Panda from down South.
APACs dealer: Who?? Did i just hear the Great Panda from SoCal??
NGP: Yes, sirree. You heard me right*chuckles*..Guess what i'm calling you for?..
APACs dealer: *jumps up & down*..the Great Panda has called. Wow, am i dreaming?? I've been waiting for your call..Hmm, let me guess, you wanna order some rackets??....*laughs*...
*conversation ensues*..:) ;);)

[cooler]

Stringing now...will test all the rackets and add them to my racket review.what strings are u using for these?:D

[DinkAlot]

Can you tell us what are the specific racket models?

Quite a few of them:

Armor Muscle Pro 88
Armor Muscle Pro 90
Armor Muscle Pro 95
Edge Saber 7
Nano Power 900 Red
Nano Power 900 White
Visible Hollow 1600
Visible Hollow 1700
Visible Hollow 1800
Nano Pro 9600 Tour

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7854/apacs2zb3.jpg

[cooler]

what in the world are you going to do with 14 racketbags? :p

anyway, keep us up to speed ;)
(and offcourse, how much are they really like the yonex they 'clone'...though I'm happy to see some 'original' stuff, good news indeed)

So you're really going to string ~10 rackets at 28lbs and grip them all (the works) just for a test?
you're one dedicated panda :pthat's what i wonder too.
If manufacturers stop making these racket bags and sell the rackets cheaper, that would be great. Those single bags are just not used and wasteful of oil. We all would buy the large size racket bag anyway.

[cooler]

all the key words are there: muscle, armor, nano, saber, power :D

[DinkAlot]

..i have a feeling the APACs dealer in Canada must've been ecstatic when he found out it's the Great Panda on the other line..:);)

*phone ringing*
APACs dealer: Hellow, APACs Canada, may i help you??
NGP: Good morning sir, this is the Great Panda from down South.
APACs dealer: Who?? Did i just hear the Great Panda from SoCal??
NGP: Yes, sirree. You heard me right*chuckles*..Guess what i'm calling you for?..
APACs dealer: *laughs in disbelief*..the Great Panda has called. Wow, am i dreaming?? I've been waiting for your call..Hmm, let me guess, you wanna order some rackets??....*laughs*...
*conversation ensued*..:) ;);)


Nice try but no cigar. :p

This is really what happened:

APACs Canada: Hello?
NGP: Hello Sir! I would like to purchase one of each of your products
APACs: Huh?
NGP: Hi, this is the Nice, Gentle Panda from Badminton Central.
APACs: Oh, Hi! Uhhh, you want one of each?
NGP: Yep.
APACs: I don't have everything in stock at the moment.
NGP: No problem, just send me one of everything you have and send me a Paypal request.
APACs: OK, no problem. Thanks and bye.
NGP: Good bye.

Both hang-up...

NGP thinks to himself: Boy that was easy, APACs Canada is nice.

APACs thinks to himself: Boy that was easy, BC's Panda is crazy.

:p:p:p

[DinkAlot]

what strings are u using for these?:D

My new benchmark string: Ashaway Micro Power XL.

It's also PeteLSD uber tension approved! :D

[ctjcad]

Nice try but no cigar. :p

This is really what happened:

APACs Canada: Hello?
NGP: Hello Sir! I would like to purchase one of each of your products
APACs: Huh?
NGP: Hi, this is the Nice, Gentle Panda from Badminton Central.
APACs: Oh, Hi! Uhhh, you want one of each?
NGP: Yep.
APACs: I don't have everything in stock at the moment.
NGP: No problem, just send me one of everything you have and send me a Paypal request.
APACs: OK, no problem. Thanks and bye.
NGP: Good bye.

Both hang-up...

NGP thinks to himself: Boy that was easy, APACs Canada is nice.

APACs thinks to himself: Boy that was easy, BC's Panda is crazy.

:p:p:p
..:)..:D..:)..:p..

[DinkAlot]

that's what i wonder too.
If manufacturers stop making these racket bags and sell the rackets cheaper, that would be great. Those single bags are just not used and wasteful of oil. We all would buy the large size racket bag anyway.

The racket bag that comes with the APACs racket is the nicest racket bag I've seen. It's actually a three compartment (two small and one full compartment) 10 racket capacity racket bag!

It's ideal for someone who wants to travel light.

[ormy4]

Have you even finished the RSL review yet, man your one busy guy or wait maybe there are multiple panda's. Maybe you are one of a litter of many who are rotating work, playing, testing, and stringing. It is all making sense now we are dealing with several Panda's.

[DinkAlot]

Have you even finished the RSL review yet, man your one busy guy or wait maybe there are multiple panda's. Maybe you are one of a litter of many who are rotating work, playing, testing, and stringing. It is all making sense now we are dealing with several Panda's.

Yes, just about. I'll add them to the racket review.

Hmmmm, cloning NGP, that sounds like a good idea. I'll have all my clones do the work while the ONGP (Original, Nice, Gentle Panda) can sleep. :p

[Retro_10s]

Prepare to be very pleased and probably a little suprised with APACS performance Dink! shame you don't have a NS9kS there though.

[DinkAlot]

Prepare to be very pleased and probably a little suprised with APACS performance Dink! shame you don't have a NS9kS there though.

I already predict the APACs rackets are going to perform as good enough not better than their Yonex counterparts. :p

[Pete LSD]

Dink it! You are causing another round of Pandamonium :p:D:cool:.


My new benchmark string: Ashaway Micro Power XL.

It's also Pete LSD uber tension approved! :D

[DinkAlot]

Dink it! You are causing another round of Pandamonium :p:D:cool:.

Not me, I only string up to 32lbs. ECP max. You on the otherhand, go 35lbs. ECP, that's nuts! :eek:...:p

[illusionistpro]

The racket bag that comes with the APACs racket is the nicest racket bag I've seen. It's actually a three compartment (two small and one full compartment) 10 racket capacity racket bag!

It's ideal for someone who wants to travel light.

Everyone knows panda doesnt pack light!!:D Especially with all those rackets in his bag, and tubes of shuttles, and 3 full sets of clothes, and extra grips, a first aid kit for a small army, strings, because panda secrets strings by hand. Am i missing anything? o yea bamboo snacks!

On a serious note. If youre not using all the bags, im looking for a larger racket bag still. Let me know if youre parting with one, or more :p

[Pete LSD]

It's 35 lbs of ALOP (A LOP) - adjusted lock-out pull :p.


Not me, I only string up to 32lbs. ECP max. You on the otherhand, go 35lbs. ECP, that's nuts! :eek:...:p

[HappyTA5]

I don't have much luck on Ashaway Micro Power XL at more than 28lb. It break within 10 times of playing. I give it up.....

[DinkAlot]

I don't have much luck on Ashaway Micro Power XL at more than 28lb. It break within 10 times of playing. I give it up.....


Sure it's not ML-XL? I haven't used MP-XL too much but it's been OK for 2 days. ML-XL doesn't last for me.

[Fengwei]

O my... This is typically Pandastyle :) Those APACS rackets do look awesome, maybe I'll have to look into them... :D

[DinkAlot]

Did lots of testing yesterday (~7 hours) and busted a combined 5 strings. :p

And this is what I found:
APACs rackets are excellent to first-rate in quality. All of them are good to excellent performing and for the money, among the best bargains around.

Initial impressions:


Armor Muscle Pro 88
Armor Muscle Pro 90
Armor Muscle Pro 95
The AMPs are among the most solid, well-built rackets I have ever tried. They are powerful, stable and stiff. This should be no surprise as they are made of 50T UHMG. They feel pretty much the same except the BP, 290, 295, 305mm respectively. These are my current go to rackets along with the Nano Power 9600 Tour.

Edge Saber 7: for me, plays better than the original. A bit too flexy for my tastes but a very good all-around racket with the emphasis on control. Also as powerful or more so than the original.

Nano Power 900 Red
Nano Power 900 White
Both play about the same. The White is more aerodynamic, faster through the zone while the Red is a bit slower but hits a bit harder. Both are awesome rackets. So awesome that my double's partner has switched over these rackets. I feel both are on par to better than their original counterparts.

Visible Hollow 1600
Visible Hollow 1700
Visible Hollow 1800
An interesting design. Feel different, can't explain it yet fully but it's a good thing once you get used to it. The hollow shaft...I guess it works. It certainly looks cool. More as I test it...

Nano Pro 9600 Tour
An awesome racket, reminds me of the NS9000, inbetween the X and S in stiffness. Better built, as good if not better performance. Fast head, good defense, powerful. A great all-around, attacking racket. I really like this racket.

Two enthusiastic thumbs up for APACs rackets so far!

[ormy4]

Thanks for all the effort [and expense] you put in reviewing the dozens of rackets that pass thru your paws on a regular basis. Fellow involved in Apacs Canada is a super nice guy so I will definitely be buying a few. Hard part is which ones so info like this is great. Thanks Dan My go to racket could be in trouble it seems as my Scottish value gene emerges.

[wocdam]

good to know that at least someone out of Asia finds these rackets good. from where i come from, these "clones" are only about a third in price as compare to the originals. i have personally tried a few models, and found them to be of similar performance, and more durable than the originals. the nano pro series and the nano power are seriously good stuff.

[Hitman71]

Did lots of testing yesterday (~7 hours) and busted a combined 5 strings. :p

And this is what I found:
APACs rackets are excellent to first-rate in quality. All of them are good to excellent performing and for the money, among the best bargains around.

Initial impressions:


Armor Muscle Pro 88
Armor Muscle Pro 90
Armor Muscle Pro 95
The AMPs are among the most solid, well-built rackets I have ever tried. They are powerful, stable and stiff. This should be no surprise as they are made of 50T UHMG. They feel pretty much the same except the BP, 290, 295, 305mm respectively. These are my current go to rackets along with the Nano Power 9600 Tour.

Edge Saber 7: for me, plays better than the original. A bit too flexy for my tastes but a very good all-around racket with the emphasis on control. Also as powerful or more so than the original.

Nano Power 900 Red
Nano Power 900 White
Both play about the same. The White is more aerodynamic, faster through the zone while the Red is a bit slower but hits a bit harder. Both are awesome rackets. So awesome that my double's partner has switched over these rackets. I feel both are on par to better than their original counterparts.

Visible Hollow 1600
Visible Hollow 1700
Visible Hollow 1800
An interesting design. Feel different, can't explain it yet fully but it's a good thing once you get used to it. The hollow shaft...I guess it works. It certainly looks cool. More as I test it...

Nano Pro 9600 Tour
An awesome racket, reminds me of the NS9000, inbetween the X and S in stiffness. Better built, as good if not better performance. Fast head, good defense, powerful. A great all-around, attacking racket. I really like this racket.

Two enthusiastic thumbs up for APACs rackets so far!


:eek: :eek: really !!!!! I know apacs is a good value for money racket, but on par with the original ... wow. Well. its nice to hear it from someone who have tested a lot of rackets.

[Moggy]

The other day i took a girl's apacs racquet for a swing while she was trying my MP100, it was towards the end of the 3 hour day and i could generate decent power with it. I thought for a while why this much cheaper racquet could produce adaquet power then it occured to me i was not affraid to break it at all. Replacing someone's racquet thats only 1/5 the cost of my own gave me an ease of mind to smash all i want in any awkward positions as well. Of course the tension of the apacs was only around 18lbs compared to my MP100 at 27lbs which would've been considerbly harder to use towards the end of a 3 hour session.

I guess the point i'm trying to say is i don't think they're as good as their counter part, however due to its price you end up much more daring with it and it feels like its just as good. But if you were rich enough to do the same with yonex racquets, they'll still be more superior :D. Of course i'll never find out myself since i'm too poor to break ANY racquets :p

[weinsteinium]

Nano Power 900 Red
Nano Power 900 White
Both play about the same. The White is more aerodynamic, faster through the zone while the Red is a bit slower but hits a bit harder. Both are awesome rackets. So awesome that my double's partner has switched over these rackets. I feel both are on par to better than their original counterparts.

I'm kinda surprised that the Nano 900 Power White is comparable to the Armortec 900T. The N900PW is 4U and slightly headlight (285mm) unlike the 900T 4U which is headheavy. Its defense must be spectacular!

How much do you attribute that power to your high string tension...there is a guy at my club who plays with a Kason ultralight strung at 30lbs and he gets tons of power. I borrowed it and power was pretty easy even for a guy with kinda poor technique like me. I played with the same model Kason ultralight at 20lbs and really had to work to do full court clears.

I have a theory that you need really high racket speed to generate power with really high tension strings and a very light racket makes that easier. Or maybe really high rackets speeds generate a lot of power and high tension strings allow you transmit more of that power to the birdie.

Ormy4, tell your friend at apacs-canada to order more rackets (They are out of the Nano 900 Powers and the Nano Pro 9600 Tour) and put something about shipping to the US on his site 'cause he's about to get a lot of orders :D

[dukke88]

wow thats alot of racquets dinkalot are apacs good?never heard of them.

[ormy4]

I will , I ordered 2 today but wanted more but were out of stock. Love the fact he has some nice stringing options and does a nice job. Think I will bug him to give forum members a spiff on their first order. Give the lad a few days Dinkalot opinion carries alot of weight here so holes in his armour will appear. Once he gets the bugs out we will have a solid place to grab from.

[DinkAlot]

Edited.

Ben: those are my initial findings, your mileage may vary. :)

[h4n5ip]

Nice efforts Mr Panda.
Now I will consider to spare one of those available weapons.

I have a friend who has some of those rackets, tried to swing without bird, the feel was ok. Maybe next time I will try to hit with the bird.

[weinsteinium]

Edited.

Ben: those are my initial findings, your mileage may vary. :)

No doubt, I break about 10 less rackets a month than you do :D

Do the Nano Power 900's list their balance points on the racket? Apacs-sports.com and apacscanada.com and apacs-sports.co.uk all list different balance points for the Nano Power 900's

White Red
Apacs-sports.com 290mm 290mm
Apacscanada.com 290mm 305mm
Apacs-sports.co.uk 285mm n/a

[Sealman]

DinkAlot,

Could you please weigh your apacs rackets if time permits? Believe a number of apacs' 4U rackets are actually much heavier in weight. Thanks.

[DinkAlot]

DinkAlot,

Could you please weigh your apacs rackets if time permits? Believe a number of apacs' 4U rackets are actually much heavier in weight. Thanks.


It would be of no use as I don't have one dry weight. All of mine are strung with modded grips.

[HappyTA5]

No doubt, I break about 10 less rackets a month than you do :D

Do the Nano Power 900's list their balance points on the racket? Apacs-sports.com and apacscanada.com and apacs-sports.co.uk all list different balance points for the Nano Power 900's

White Red
Apacs-sports.com 290mm 290mm
Apacscanada.com 290mm 305mm
Apacs-sports.co.uk 285mm n/a

Checked with the racket. It said 285mm.....

[weinsteinium]

Checked with the racket. It said 285mm.....

Great to know (I'm assuming that you mean the Nano Power 900 White btw). How does it play for you?

[HappyTA5]

Great to know (I'm assuming that you mean the Nano Power 900 White btw). How does it play for you?

They are good.. look really cool too.. but not my favourite. I like the Armor Muscle PRO series more....

[awatz]

Is the Edgesaber 7 available on the apacscanada site? How come its not listed on the site?

[HappyTA5]

Is the Edgesaber 7 available on the apacscanada site? How come its not listed on the site?

Yes,... it is available now

[weinsteinium]

They are good.. look really cool too.. but not my favourite. I like the Armor Muscle PRO series more....

So, tell us what you like about the Armor Muscle Pro's. Which model do you use and how would your rate it's power and manuverability?

[charlton]

So, tell us what you like about the Armor Muscle Pro's. Which model do you use and how would your rate it's power and manuverability?
Thanks to Dinkalot's thread, I managed to get a couple of racquets from Apacs Canada. I ordered the Armor Muscle Pro 88 and the Edge Saber 7. I didn't really use the Edge Saber 7 much since I gave that to my doubles partner but I played 2 solid hours with the AMP88. The racquet feels a lot lighter than my 2U Ti-10 that I normally play with. It's extremely maneuverable. At first, I had some trouble getting power but after a while, you change your stroke somewhat a rely more on head speed generated by snapping the wrist rather than momentum generated by the weight of the head. My backhand timing is still somewhat off and doing back-court to back-court clears isn't quite as easy as it is with the Ti-10 but I fully expect this to change once I get the timing adjusted accordingly.

I definitely think the Apacs racquets are a very viable alternative to Yonex racquets. While I can certainly hold my own in a game of singles I'm not really good enough to distinguish between a $200 Yonex and a $70 Apacs. They both feel good to me.

[illusionistpro]

Dink what do you have to say as far as technology is concerned? Firstly Do apacs really have nano technology. and Secondly does nano technology have any affect on racket playability or durability? Im interested if all the techno-babble even means anything except a big price tag.

[lwiew]

So, tell us what you like about the Armor Muscle Pro's. Which model do you use and how would your rate it's power and manuverability?

I've been using Armor Muscle Pro 88 for about 2 years now and it is by far my favourite racket. I'm only an intermediate player, so please don't place too much weight on my comments, but for me, the racket has great free, great control. I can generate very powerful smashes for someone of my level; defence is great as well, and its like half the price of a yonex racket, and I think the AMP 88 is head light compared to my Yonex Armotec 500.

Yeah, I'd definitely recommend it =) A friend of mine tried my racket and just had to get one =D

One thing I don't like about it is that the paint seems to come off really quickly... I don't clash much and yeah, it just seems to crack off pretty quickly, so my racket looks kinda tacky now, but it still works very well. Aside from that, no complaints.

[HappyTA5]

So, tell us what you like about the Armor Muscle Pro's. Which model do you use and how would your rate it's power and manuverability?

I'm using AMP95 most of the time ..

1. I like the look and build of the racket...
2. Very stiff shaft ... my shot is much more accurate with this..
3. String with 30/32.. need to be lower for me with this racket. I don't have enought power for 2 hrs game. Man it's tiring.............. Too old :(

It really depends on the player. Sure it is not a racket for beginner. Racket is very stable during impact that give u accuracy. ...You can feel that even when u serve..



Will try Visible Hollow 1500 strung @30/32lb tomorrow.
Pretty unique Wing X-section frame with a not-that stiff shaft(compare to AMP95). Will see ...

[Khawai]

woah. the apacs rackets look good. Any suggestions on which racket to get? i'm all rounder. I smash every chance i get. i need a racket which is good in power and manuverability. :D

[lelynx]

woah. the apacs rackets look good. Any suggestions on which racket to get? i'm all rounder. I smash every chance i get. i need a racket which is good in power and manuverability. :D
try Apacs Visible Hollow 1800...
its head heavy feature should able u to smash easier...

[Hitman71]

Sir Dink, any updates on the rackets review ? ( or errr all rackets are broken already :rolleyes: :D )

[HappyTA5]

It will be amazing for those rackets still survive under Sir Dinks' testing.

Myself I perfer VH1500 more the VH1800. VH1500 is stiffer and heavier than VH1800. More powerful when attacking. In the other hand, VH1800 is a more defensive racket to me. The flex of VH1500 just perfect for me.

[DinkAlot]

It will be amazing for those rackets still survive under Sir Dinks' testing.

Myself I perfer VH1500 more the VH1800. VH1500 is stiffer and heavier than VH1800. More powerful when attacking. In the other hand, VH1800 is a more defensive racket to me. The flex of VH1500 just perfect for me.


You must have gotten a light 1800 or I got a heavy 1800. My 1800 is a relative sledgehammer. I did not acquire a 1500.

[DinkAlot]

You must have gotten a light 1800 or I got a heavy 1800. My 1800 is a relative sledgehammer. I did not acquire a 1500.

Ahhhh, some answers! I just spoke with APACs Canada and found out the VH comes in both 3U and 4U. Mine is a heavy 3U at 88g dry weight, BP: 300.

[hoiboy79]

can anyone tell me if the Visible Hollow 1300 is any good?

[HappyTA5]

can anyone tell me if the Visible Hollow 1300 is any good?

VH1300 is a Slim frame & shaft design, 4U racket. It is suppose to be a fast and very suitable for double players.

[wocdam]

i've got a VH1800 4U. MediumStiff to Stiff, slightly head heavy. The only thing i really don't like about the racket is that i cannot feel the shuttle at all. seems like Apacs have dampened the racket feel too much.

[lelynx]

my humble Apacs VH 1800...
don't even know that there are 3U & 4U for VH series until Dr. Dink highlighted it...

[lelynx]

do u notice the *hole* at the bottom of the grip?
that's the VH signature...

[SilverDJ]

so that's why it's called the visible hollow! haha

[Ah Sing]

VH1300 is a Slim frame & shaft design, 4U racket. It is suppose to be a fast and very suitable for double players.


Hi guys,
So how about Nano pro 9600 tour compare to Visible hallow series, which is better for a beginner intermediate palyer plays double mainly and defence style. :)

Thanks alot

[ormy4]

Haven't tried the 1800 but the 9600 is a great racket for doubles quite quick and easy to use. Just regripped and restrung with mp so will see it if has a bit of firepower now. I agree with Dinkalot it is an excellent racket more so for doubles thou.

[CalvinSeak]

Visible hollow technology have been around for about 8 - 10 years already if I am not mistaken.
this is because i own a racket which has the Visible Hollow technology when i was young but i have no idea what does it do?
Anyone care to clarify ? =D

[lelynx]

the VH are supposed to support the feature of Anti-vibration Technology...
yup... it has been around quite some time already...

[Khawai]

Im planning to get an apacs racket soon. still not really sure which one to get though. Does the VH1800 produce more power than the muscle armor pro series?

I've tried my sister's edgesaber 7 and her friend's arcsaber 7. Im pretty surprised, they are pretty similar. There is where i got my attention to the apacs racket, the edgesaber 7 is cheaper than the yonex model.

[lelynx]

u can always out in more lbs on the tension to give u more *power*... :)
for me, it sorely depends on how well u smash...
both VH1800 & muscle armor pro should able to give u the BOOM sound...

[weinsteinium]

Haven't tried the 1800 but the 9600 is a great racket for doubles quite quick and easy to use. Just regripped and restrung with mp so will see it if has a bit of firepower now. I agree with Dinkalot it is an excellent racket more so for doubles thou.

You have a Sotx Woven 8 & 9 right? How does the Apacs 9600 Tour compare? It seems like it should be pretty similar but I wonder how it actually plays in terms of power and manuverability.

[ormy4]

For you sir I will restring with the same string, tension, and grip as the w9a and use it tonight. Will give you a report. Note w9 and w9a are different thou.

[h4n5ip]

Anyone tried Nano Power 900 Black and white?
Which one better in term of smashing? Is it almost the same from the original racket at900?

[taneepak]

Visible hollow technology have been around for about 8 - 10 years already if I am not mistaken.
this is because i own a racket which has the Visible Hollow technology when i was young but i have no idea what does it do?
Anyone care to clarify ? =D

Visible technology, what visible technology? Big words, big claims, for something they did not invent and probably do not even know what it does. Maybe the manufacturers can elaborate. I would like to know their answers.

[weinsteinium]

Anyone tried Nano Power 900 Black and white?
Which one better in term of smashing? Is it almost the same from the original racket at900?

Here's what DinkALot had to say about the Nano Power 900's (Red=Black)



Nano Power 900 Red
Nano Power 900 White
Both play about the same. The White is more aerodynamic, faster through the zone while the Red is a bit slower but hits a bit harder. Both are awesome rackets. So awesome that my double's partner has switched over these rackets. I feel both are on par to better than their original counterparts.

So yeah, they play a lot like the 4U AT900's (we only get the 4U Armortecs in the USA) and the 900 Red is better for smashing.

For the rest of his review check out: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=861349&postcount=28

[IBaddersI]

Any updates on the review Dink?

[matt5169]

Hello,

Do you know where i can find apacs rackets in europe ?

Apacs canada demands 85$ for shipping to France...

And by apacs UK, an edge saber 7 costs 140$ (58$ by apacs canada) !!!!!

[weinsteinium]

Hello,

Do you know where i can find apacs rackets in europe ?

Apacs canada demands 85$ for shipping to France...

And by apacs UK, an edge saber 7 costs 140$ (58$ by apacs canada) !!!!!

Try ebay. I believe that several people have purchased Apacs rackets from the user racquet_sports. He sells two rackets together for US$50-70 + US$20 shipping. It looks like the shipping charge is the same whether it's to the US or France. You'll have to wait 2-4 weeks for slow freight shipping but it's probably the best deal in town.

bbesports (only shows up if you switch the language to Chinese, not English) and bbeshop also carry them, but I don't know what the shipping is like to France:
http://www.bbeshop.com/en/racket_apacs.htm
http://www.bbesports.com/racket_apacs.htm

They are both well known reputable dealers.

[cards_pro]

I agree. I bought 8 racquets from racquet_sports.
Very nice to deal with and it is a LOT cheaper.

[DinkAlot]

I have a Edge Saber 7, if you're looking for one. Shipping from the U.S. to France is $22.00 not $85.00. :p



Hello,

Do you know where i can find apacs rackets in europe ?

Apacs canada demands 85$ for shipping to France...

And by apacs UK, an edge saber 7 costs 140$ (58$ by apacs canada) !!!!!

[cooler]

I have a Edge Saber 7, if you're looking for one. Shipping from the U.S. to France is $22.00 not $85.00. :p
maybe one day soon if USD keep dropping;)

[Ah Sing]

I agree. I bought 8 racquets from racquet_sports.
Very nice to deal with and it is a LOT cheaper.

Hi Cards pro,

racket_sports provide free strung service, right?
If so, do u think they did a good string job?

Thanks

[darkwingduck]

ive asked him once about the strings (if it was fake) . He said it was china strings :confused:.

[DinkAlot]

Any updates on the review Dink?

Sure...

Armor Muscle Pro 88/90/95 (all 3U): all feel and play about the same. Only difference I noticed is the 88 does not have MP like curved grommets all around like the 90/95 do. Since I modified the grips, they all have similar BPs. The AMPs are very solid, among the most solid rackets I have tried. They are stable, stiff, powerful and just an all-around great racket with the emphasis on attack. In fact, I've switched over and am currently using the AMP as my go to racket.

Edge Saber 7: A good all-around racket, medium flex. I think I like the Edge Saber better than its original counterpart. :p

Nano Power 900 Red/White: both good. Red is box frame, white aero frame. My double's partner liked these racket so much he "procured" them from me. :p

Visible Hollow 1600/1700/1800 (all 3U): numb feel which is both good and bad. Good because it nullifies harsh vibration. Ideal for people with arm or elbow problems. Bad because it negatives all the good vibration which gives you shuttle feedback. So it just depends if you can take the good with the bad or can get used to it. 1600 and 1700 are aero frames, fast through the zone, good transition, strong frames. Hit hard. 1700 has kevlar and is more stable than the 1600 by a good bit. 1800 is an excellent attack racket. The frame is less aero and even stronger than the 1600/1700. Overall, the VH rackets are very good performing, just depends if you want the feel or therelackof...maybe an acquired taste.

Nano Pro 9600 Tour: an excellent racket. If Yonex made a NS9000 inbetween the X and S, this would be it. Stiffness is inbetween the X and S. Good all-around.

[cards_pro]

Hi Cards pro,

racket_sports provide free strung service, right?
If so, do u think they did a good string job?

Thanks

I did ask them to string the racquets once.
String job is good (4 knots, 24*26 lbs), but the string itself is not good.
I think it was a cheap Ashaway string.

[ApacsCanada]

Sure...

Armor Muscle Pro 88/90/95 (all 3U): all feel and play about the same. Only difference I noticed is the 88 does not have MP like curved grommets all around like the 90/95 do. Since I modified the grips, they all have similar BPs. The AMPs are very solid, among the most solid rackets I have tried. They are stable, stiff, powerful and just an all-around great racket with the emphasis on attack. In fact, I've switched over and am currently using the AMP as my go to racket.

Edge Saber 7: A good all-around racket, medium flex. I think I like the Edge Saber better than its original counterpart. :p

Nano Power 900 Red/White: both good. Red is box frame, white aero frame. My double's partner liked these racket so much he "procured" them from me. :p

Visible Hollow 1600/1700/1800 (all 3U): numb feel which is both good and bad. Good because it nullifies harsh vibration. Ideal for people with arm or elbow problems. Bad because it negatives all the good vibration which gives you shuttle feedback. So it just depends if you can take the good with the bad or can get used to it. 1600 and 1700 are aero frames, fast through the zone, good transition, strong frames. Hit hard. 1700 has kevlar and is more stable than the 1600 by a good bit. 1800 is an excellent attack racket. The frame is less aero and even stronger than the 1600/1700. Overall, the VH rackets are very good performing, just depends if you want the feel or therelackof...maybe an acquired taste.

Nano Pro 9600 Tour: an excellent racket. If Yonex made a NS9000 inbetween the X and S, this would be it. Stiffness is inbetween the X and S. Good all-around.

Thanks Sir Dink's nice review on the Apacs rackets. Hope he will do the review on Apacs strings soon. Just some more commends. AMPRO 90 is a slim head design even it is a 3U racket. Same material used for the whole series.

Nano Fusion is the first series using laser printing method. A very specal strong frame x-section design.

Apacs Canada will try to bring those high-end models into North America even Apacs is well know for her "clone" line.

Thanks

[ray_mond]

can anyone recommend an equivilant racket to ti-10 2nd gen that apac's produces? are all apac designs copied from yonex, or are some unique/geniune?... im getting the idea that they're taking yonex designs and making them better at a cheaper price.

[DinkAlot]

can anyone recommend an equivilant racket to ti-10 2nd gen that apac's produces? are all apac designs copied from yonex, or are some unique/geniune?... im getting the idea that they're taking yonex designs and making them better at a cheaper price.


IMHO, the APACs AMP (Armor Muscle Power) is better than the Yonex Ti10. :)

Just check my profile for racket preference. :p

[SilverDJ]

Visible technology, what visible technology? Big words, big claims, for something they did not invent and probably do not even know what it does. Maybe the manufacturers can elaborate. I would like to know their answers.

taneepak...
the visible hollow technology is called that because you can visibly see a huge hole bored through the handle going up through the shaft.

the effect of this technology? it's a vibration dampener.

so yes, there is visible, effective technology, which as far as i know, was invented by them, because i havent seen that on any other line of rackets.

[robsilver]

Sir DinkAlot, it is great time to refresh your Racket comparison table!!

So sorry for your time. Call clone Pandas for help.

[ormy4]

9600 is very nice to play with defense is excellent and smashing is very good. It is an extremely easy racket to play, will be using it for now but don't think you can go wrong it. strung at 24 lbs with mp. Does nice drives and clears, touch shots at the net were off but only tried a few.

[lelynx]

thanks Sir DinkAlot for the great review... :)
spot on for the review on VH1800...
a great attacking racket but need to get used to its anti-vibration technology...

[Khawai]

How is power of the VH1800 compared to the AMP95? I have a big smash, currenly using the ti-10. After reading the reviews, i feel like getting my hands on the AMP95. :D However, friends of mine think the VH1800 would be more powerful. Need help in this. =/

[DinkAlot]

How is power of the VH1800 compared to the AMP95? I have a big smash, currenly using the ti-10. After reading the reviews, i feel like getting my hands on the AMP95. :D However, friends of mine think the VH1800 would be more powerful. Need help in this. =/

What weight Ti10 are you using? 3U or 2U? Because if 2U, the Ti10's going to hit harder than the 3U APACs rackets. It's just physics.

But if 3U, it's pretty close. I, hands down choose the AMPs (doesn't matter which one, 88/90/95, all play the same to me) because it's better built and more solid than the Ti10 and has better feel than both the Ti10 and VH1800.

[Khawai]

Really?:eek: Woah. Thanks! :D Looks like i will be buying my first non-Yonex racket.

[Hitman71]

What weight Ti10 are you using? 3U or 2U? Because if 2U, the Ti10's going to hit harder than the 3U APACs rackets. It's just physics.

But if 3U, it's pretty close. I, hands down choose the AMPs (doesn't matter which one, 88/90/95, all play the same to me) because it's better built and more solid than the Ti10 and has better feel than both the Ti10 and VH1800.

Sadly I haven't seen any shops that sell the apacs AMPs series here ... Anyone have seen this rackets in Malaysia, and it's price ?

[phandrew]

DinkAlot have you tried the Apacs Nano 9000 speed? It's the clone of the NS9000 if you are wondering.

[taneepak]

taneepak...
the visible hollow technology is called that because you can visibly see a huge hole bored through the handle going up through the shaft.

the effect of this technology? it's a vibration dampener.

so yes, there is visible, effective technology, which as far as i know, was invented by them, because i havent seen that on any other line of rackets.

Every wooden handle has a tunnel hole drilled into the core center of the handle from the back. For reducing vibrations the length of the tunnel hole should equal the width of your palm, measured from the butt end. Sealing or closing the tunnel hole with a butt cap reduces vibrations even more. This is the same principle as used in double glazing windows to reduce heat or energy transfer. Now who is stealing technology from who? How do they dare to claim this as their own technology and rebrand it as visible hollow technology!

[DinkAlot]

Now who is stealing technology from who? How do they dare to claim this as their own technology and rebrand it as visible hollow technology!

LOL! Got drama queen? :p Eepak, every badminton company makes claims. Whether they are true or not, it's called "marketing". I recall you made effortless claims too. ;)...:p...:D

So how dare they? Dare you? Oh but you dare, so why not they? :p

[HappyTA5]

ha .. well said. There are so many technologies around. Material Science take the biggest part in a racket. There are so many terms that I need a Phd to understand. Anyway, this is from the catalogue of Visible Hollow series
42605

It seems some ppl claim it dampen too much and can't feel the birdie. I'm really ok with that :)

You buy it or not... It's all your preference.

Make sure you enjoy your game.... Cheers

[IBaddersI]

ha .. well said. There are so many technologies around. Material Science take the biggest part in a racket. There are so many terms that I need a Phd to understand. Anyway, this is from the catalogue of Visible Hollow series
42605

It seems some ppl claim it dampen too much and can't feel the birdie. I'm really ok with that :)

You buy it or not... It's all your preference.

Make sure you enjoy your game.... Cheers

Any chance we could see the whole catalogue as the english website is 2-3 years out of date.

[phandrew]

I want to conform something, does apacs follow yonex grip size system or is it the opposite like some other brands?

[Pete LSD]

Good Panda . . . Panda Good!!! In other words, Eepak makes marketing BS like any other blow joe badminton companies. :D


LOL! Got drama queen? :p Eepak, every badminton company makes claims. Whether they are true or not, it's called "marketing". I recall you made effortless claims too. ;)...:p...:D

So how dare they? Dare you? Oh but you dare, so why not they? :p

[taneepak]

ha .. well said. There are so many technologies around. Material Science take the biggest part in a racket. There are so many terms that I need a Phd to understand. Anyway, this is from the catalogue of Visible Hollow series
42605

It seems some ppl claim it dampen too much and can't feel the birdie. I'm really ok with that :)

You buy it or not... It's all your preference.

Make sure you enjoy your game.... Cheers

From their advert. there is no claim to it being their technology, or a new technology, or any technology at all, and there is nothing wrong with that. But our posters seem to embellish it with some type of technology. In this case the manufacturer makes no wild claims, only the users.

[HaoFung]

It seems APACS came out with a new toy... the price is quite high...

http://www.apacscanada.com/product_info.php/products_id/67?osCsid=4302ae3a20a8908c68e613f3833324ac

FURIOUS PRO 1000.... Put a cool word + PRO or ELITE + number = high end racket ^^

Now we just have to wait for a review...

[ormy4]

For all interested got my ti-10 3u [purple] in and it is excellent for doubles. It is extremely similar to the apacs 9600 but of course almost double the cost thou factoring in freight. Here is my thoughts on them

power 9600 by a wee bit
defense ti-10 by a wee bit
control ti-10 by a bit
pushes and drives very similiar

both are winners for doubles

sorry never played singles but can't see any problems.

rackets both at 24lbs with mp, both 3u's

my w9a is in trouble as my number 1 racket for doubles me thinks.

[lelynx]

nice work there... HappyTa5...
well, it's true (for me at least) that it dampen too much and can't feel the birdie...
as my recent drop shots went short with my new VH1800... :)
but i'm sure once i get the hang of it, it will be a great racket for me

[phandrew]

DinkAlot in your first post for this thread did the bags around the rackets come with the racket or did you buy them separately? Also have you tried the Apacs Nano 9000 speed? It's the clone of the Yonex NS9000 if you are wondering.
Would you say that the Armor Muscle Pro 95 is on par with the NS9000X in stiffness?

[DinkAlot]

Go to www.apacscanada.com (http://www.apacscanada.com) for the bag details.

If I have not listed the racket, I have not tried it nor did I purchase it because it was not available at the time of my purchase.

The Nano Pro 9600 Tour is very similar to the 9000 already, in fact, it's on par or even better.

The AMPs all feel the same stiff, they are not as stiff as the X. The X is stiffer by a good margin. I feel the AMPs play better.


DinkAlot in your first post for this thread did the bags around the rackets come with the racket or did you buy them separately? Also have you tried the Apacs Nano 9000 speed? It's the clone of the Yonex NS9000 if you are wondering.
Would you say that the Armor Muscle Pro 95 is on par with the NS9000X in stiffness?

[phandrew]

Go to www.apacscanada.com (http://www.apacscanada.com) for the bag details.

If I have not listed the racket, I have not tried it nor did I purchase it because it was not available at the time of my purchase.

The Nano Pro 9600 Tour is very similar to the 9000 already, in fact, it's on par or even better.

The AMPs all feel the same stiff, they are not as stiff as the X. The X is stiffer by a good margin. I feel the AMPs play better.

Would you say the smashing power of the Nano Pro 9600 Tour and Armor Muscle Pro 95 is equal to the NS9000X?

[DinkAlot]

Would you say the smashing power of the Nano Pro 9600 Tour and Armor Muscle Pro 95 is equal to the NS9000X?

No.

X and Tour: about the same, edge to the X.

AMP: a bit more powerful than the X.

[phandrew]

Thanks for the help DinkAlot. I guess i'll order AMP95 later because it's more powerful than NS9000X.

[phandrew]

Just another question DinkAlot, is the transaction and defence of the AMP95 as easy as the 2U NS9000X?

[weinsteinium]

Just another question DinkAlot, is the transaction and defence of the AMP95 as easy as the 2U NS9000X?

He's almost certainly comparing it to the 3U NS9000X when he talks about power and defense since that is what is in his racket review.

[CalvinSeak]

taneepak...
the visible hollow technology is called that because you can visibly see a huge hole bored through the handle going up through the shaft.

the effect of this technology? it's a vibration dampener.

so yes, there is visible, effective technology, which as far as i know, was invented by them, because i havent seen that on any other line of rackets.

No it is not invented by them i have a 10 year old racket or maybe 9 from OnlyOne that has the Visible hollow technology in it too so its nothing new

[LouisW]

Well, the truth is APACS does copy a lot from Yonex. Is not the technology they copy but the paint works, color scheme.

[Khawai]

Yup. and the similarity in names.

[hoiboy79]

Not to mention that APACS is a lot better. I think that when people play with Yonex their minds are tricked to think that it is better just because it's Yonex. But if u close your eyes and hit, I'd say that APACS is just as good and in some cases even better than Yonex.

[Skanbuzz]

Hi,

Any comments on the suitablity of:

1) Apacs nano 7700
2) VH 1300
3) Edge saber 10
4) VH 1800

for double playing, mainly defensive & hoping to improve on smashing & rear court clear.

[h4n5ip]

Some one has done a summary of Apacs, pls see link bellow

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=890244#post890244

[Skanbuzz]

Hi,

Any chance any of the more capable IT with time can gathering the review/rating of Apacs racket into a table format like someone did with yonexs and other brand giving the rating for flex, head heavy etc.
This will help to concerntrate the info in one area or maybe a chart like the yonex X/y axis chart

Thanks

[h4n5ip]

Hi,

Any chance any of the more capable IT with time can gathering the review/rating of Apacs racket into a table format like someone did with yonexs and other brand giving the rating for flex, head heavy etc.
This will help to concerntrate the info in one area or maybe a chart like the yonex X/y axis chart

Thanks

The only one can do that is Mr Panda.

[-TCX-]

hmm anyone heard of the nanopro 9900, heard its woven and powerful. But i cant find any shops in singapore selling it. So its hard to even see one.

[HappyTA5]

hmm anyone heard of the nanopro 9900, heard its woven and powerful. But i cant find any shops in singapore selling it. So its hard to even see one.

Ha, got 1 for about a year ago. Interesting design, woven carbon around the head, 50T toray encased tree bank. Solid racket! Survived after a few clashes. BUT can't make it after my kid hit it on a door knob :crying: when he play at school gym.

[hoiboy79]

The guy at Hongli told me that there is a Visible Hollow 1900 now. I have never heard of it until he told me, but I'm not sure if he was just playing around. Has anyone else ever heard of it or seen it before?

[Stein_r]

Not to mention that APACS is a lot better. I think that when people play with Yonex their minds are tricked to think that it is better just because it's Yonex. But if u close your eyes and hit, I'd say that APACS is just as good and in some cases even better than Yonex.

IF APACS is that good so why they do imitate YONEX? IMO everything should be taken into account and should be honor by the high price. It takes yonex a lot of money for science in material. And most of the cost goes into marketing effort. So it is not fair just to copy things that has been made up for years and sell it under another label.
For myself an imitation can't be compared with an original one. Neither specification or material are the same. You can't compare a Ferrari with Toyota.
All review that have been posted are only personal feeling and not objectively.

[hoiboy79]

IF APACS is that good so why they do imitate YONEX? IMO everything should be taken into account and should be honor by the high price. It takes yonex a lot of money for science in material. And most of the cost goes into marketing effort. So it is not fair just to copy things that has been made up for years and sell it under another label.
For myself an imitation can't be compared with an original one. Neither specification or material are the same. You can't compare a Ferrari with Toyota.
All review that have been posted are only personal feeling and not objectively.

I'm not telling people not to spend money to buy a Yonex racket, but if 50 dollars will get u a racket that is just as good, why not go for it? No one ever said that it was fair to copy another person or company's work, but then again, who said this world was fair? If you don't want to use a certain brand's rackets because the company is morally wrong for the things it does, then fine, you can spend the money on 500 dollar Yonex rackets. After all, you are really just funding Yonex's "marketing efforts". You can't compare a Ferrari with a Toyota, but what is someone cloned a Ferrari and made it look exactly the same as the original, and made it to go just as fast and handle the same. The only thing different would be the name and the price cut in half. Would you still buy the original Ferrari?

[PlayMyStyle]

Just my personal opinion... No ofference to anyone... To me...

There is a difference between cloning and faking a product coming from a company... It will be morally wrong to fake the product cos I will be using the same brand name and product model to market the product trying to deceive customers...

But if I were to clone a existing product... Personally, I dont think there is anything wrong as I am not using the original brand name and product model to market it... Therefore, customer are not being deceived with my product and have a choice whether to buy it... At the same time, havnt Apacs state that their rackets have ultrathin coating etc... So issit that something different from the original product?

No competition would be generated if no company is modeling a similar product... It will certainly slow down the technology advancement this way... Just imagine if there is only ferrari in this world... Their new product certainly wouldnt be improve so quickly... :D

[hoiboy79]

I respect you and your views on this, but I doubt that Yonex needs anyone to push them. They are already the best of the best when it comes to popularity......anyone else care to elaborate on this topic from their point of view?

[PlayMyStyle]

I respect you and your views on this, but I doubt that Yonex needs anyone to push them. They are already the best of the best when it comes to popularity......anyone else care to elaborate on this topic from their point of view?

Well.. Thats just one example of the pros in having market competitions... :D

[hoiboy79]

Yea it can be a good thing but then if there was more competition, Yonex would start developing even more new technology and rackets would start costing 500 dollars in no time. :eek::eek::eek:

[-TCX-]

Ha, got 1 for about a year ago. Interesting design, woven carbon around the head, 50T toray encased tree bank. Solid racket! Survived after a few clashes. BUT can't make it after my kid hit it on a door knob :crying: when he play at school gym.
can give me rating of the racquet? i might be interested to check out the price of the racquet

[HappyTA5]

can give me rating of the racquet? i might be interested to check out the price of the racquet

Power 8 out of 10, Control 9 out 10. Workmanship 9.5 out of 10.. Love the woven cabon but not the tree thing on the shaft. Value for the money 10/10...

[-TCX-]

well the last time i checked the price it was around 250rm. do you think the racket's worth it then?

[vince_kan]

well the last time i checked the it was around 250rm. do you think the racket's worth it then?

I had this racquet before....quality of the material used was good but the racquet felt very stiff and head light....so very difficult to generate power for me cos i am a beginner level player.

Maybe more usable for a professional IMHO. Nevertheless it was a racquet that was good for collection for me. Have since passed it on due to the need for money.

But i think it is rather hard to get this racquet anymore since it wasn't produced in large quantities due to the higher cost of the materials. And it was a first for Apacs to use woven material in their racquets.

Hope the information is useful to you. Cheers!

[radar_s]

There somethingI don't understand APAC, why they always copy the name off fomr Yonex. They do nice design as well but why don't they design a name for themsevle.

[lelynx]

simple answer... easier for the Apacs fans to identify what's the exact clone for Yonex...
we will know Apacs Edge Saber 10 == Yonex Arc Saber 10

[-TCX-]

quote=vince_kan;896696]I had this racquet before....quality of the material used was good but the racquet felt very stiff and head light....so very difficult to generate power for me cos i am a beginner level player.

Maybe more usable for a professional IMHO. Nevertheless it was a racquet that was good for collection for me. Have since passed it on due to the need for money.

But i think it is rather hard to get this racquet anymore since it wasn't produced in large quantities due to the higher cost of the materials. And it was a first for Apacs to use woven material in their racquets.

Hope the information is useful to you. Cheers![/quote]

hmm so do you think i should get it if i can find it? since its quite a good racquet isnt it :)

[radar_s]

simple answer... easier for the Apacs fans to identify what's the exact clone for Yonex...
we will know Apacs Edge Saber 10 == Yonex Arc Saber 10


Hmm, in some point I do agree with this. But as a company, shouldn't be doing this since they are under Yonex, it's 2 different company. Just like BMW and Benz never copy each others name.

[lelynx]

But BMW is not cloning Benz or the other way round, right?
way as this Apacs is cloning Yonex... ;)

[vince_kan]

quote=vince_kan;896696]I had this racquet before....quality of the material used was good but the racquet felt very stiff and head light....so very difficult to generate power for me cos i am a beginner level player.

Maybe more usable for a professional IMHO. Nevertheless it was a racquet that was good for collection for me. Have since passed it on due to the need for money.

But i think it is rather hard to get this racquet anymore since it wasn't produced in large quantities due to the higher cost of the materials. And it was a first for Apacs to use woven material in their racquets.

Hope the information is useful to you. Cheers!

hmm so do you think i should get it if i can find it? since its quite a good racquet isnt it :)[/quote]

I wouldn't say it's a fantastic racquet, but in terms of quality...not too bad, in terms of feel and suitability it's subjective....you can if you can find it and willing to fork out the cash?

[hoiboy79]

Just got my Armor Muscle Pro 90 and I love it very much. Very powerful, smashing with this racket is very good. Only thing is that it is slightly shorter than other rackets, but that should not be a problem in the long run. I also got a Nano Pro 9600 Tour and it is also very good. It is more on the defensive side, which doesn't suit me that well. But it can probably generate a lot of power if used correctly. One of the nicest rackets I have ever seen.

[Skanbuzz]

Hi Hoiboy79,

I was recommended to look at the Apacs Armor muscle pro 90 too.
Could you elaborate a little your experience with this racket?
What level or style of play you use this racket?

I am more of a recreaction, once a week, double player.
Techniques & footwork is not so good,hence wrist power is poor.
Smash and reaa court clearing is also weak - want to improve.

I found that head heavy racket not suitable for me since hinder my defence(reaction slow and lack control)

Much appreciate if you can give us your experience & view on this racket

Thanks

[LKL002]

After reading Dan's reviews, I have decided to try these two racquets. They both are 4UG2 with Apacs TI65 tour string that comes with it at my specified tension.

Both racquets are quite easy to play with in terms of smashing and defense. I find that it's better than the Armortec 800 DE (4U) and NS9000 (3U) that I used to own. Also, I don't feel the head heraviness at all with either racquets.

I ordered the racquets from www.apacscanada.com and picked them up at their warehouse in Markham. It took them only 1 day to prepare my racquets. They provide very good service and K.Y. is a very nice person to deal with.

I find that Apacs racquets are priced very good. For ~$70 cdn, you can get a 'good' racquet, free string, and a 3 compartments racquet bag. It is for sure a good deal.

Anyway, thanks to Dan for providing info on other brands!!:):):)

[alternat0]

hi, i'm new here. especially to the apacs thing. but reading this thread makes me salivate.

so... wat wil be an apacs version of at900p/at800of? or... a fast manuver, heavy head, attacking racket, w/ solid feel.

i play doubles, tend to be defensive, but use a racket that can help to deliver the KO.

[phandrew]

hi, i'm new here. especially to the apacs thing. but reading this thread makes me salivate.

so... wat wil be an apacs version of at900p/at800of? or... a fast manuver, heavy head, attacking racket, w/ solid feel.

i play doubles, tend to be defensive, but use a racket that can help to deliver the KO.


You should go with AMP90/95

[alternat0]

where should i get apacs racket if i'm in San Bernardino, California or Indonesia/Philippines?

[Sealman]

so... wat wil be an apacs version of at900p/at800of? or... a fast manuver, heavy head, attacking racket, w/ solid feel.


apacs nano900power (red) might fit the bill...

[DinkAlot]

where should i get apacs racket if i'm in San Bernardino, California or Indonesia/Philippines?

You can come to SGVBC and test out the rackets. I have most of them. :D

[alternat0]

your too kind, i would have loved to. but to bad i'm not in d states at the moment. i was asking coz if its not available in asia, where i am now, i would ask my family to get it for me.
oh... i imagine a racket heaven at your place DinkAlot, after reading your reviews. i might drop by if i'm around ;) do some demo, and ask advices.

somebody correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think there'll be somebody in indo like u. providing help in choosing the rackets, which we're not sure of buying yet. hahaha... stores/owners only care if you're definitely buying. (maybe in the philippines. anyone???)

[hoiboy79]

Hey DinkALot, just a quick question for you. When you play with the Nano 900 Power Red, does it feel a little unstable and does it also tend to vibrate a lot? That's how I feel with mine. I played with my friend's AT900P and it felt a lot more solid and stable that the Nano 900 Power Red.

[DinkAlot]

Hey DinkALot, just a quick question for you. When you play with the Nano 900 Power Red, does it feel a little unstable and does it also tend to vibrate a lot? That's how I feel with mine. I played with my friend's AT900P and it felt a lot more solid and stable that the Nano 900 Power Red.

Tricky question because I have only really tested one that was 89g not the normal 85g. The 89g was pretty stable but I would guesstimate in general, the Yonex counterparts are going to be most stable.

A good example is the Edge Saber 10, at 85g it's not too stable, at 89g it's more stable but the head is quite heavy and makes the shaft more flexible than the 85g.

Ahhhhh, rackets, there are too many variables. :p

[clifflim]

your too kind, i would have loved to. but to bad i'm not in d states at the moment. i was asking coz if its not available in asia, where i am now, i would ask my family to get it for me.
oh... i imagine a racket heaven at your place DinkAlot, after reading your reviews. i might drop by if i'm around ;) do some demo, and ask advices.

somebody correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think there'll be somebody in indo like u. providing help in choosing the rackets, which we're not sure of buying yet. hahaha... stores/owners only care if you're definitely buying. (maybe in the philippines. anyone???)

email me :
cliffty.lim@gmail.com if you are interested.

[Phuong]

im looking for one of these bad boys to replace my yonex racket. Does any1 know where i can get them in or near San Jose.

[hoiboy79]

im looking for one of these bad boys to replace my yonex racket. Does any1 know where i can get them in or near San Jose.

I'd say your best bet is to order from www.apacscanada.com or from the seller racquet-sports on eBay. Unless someone is willing to sell one to you around the San Jose area I doubt you'll find any APACS rackets around there. I'd say if you're looking for one of the 'bad boys' that you order from apacscanada and go for the Armor Muscle Pro series or the Nano Pro 9600 Tour.

[ulric5]

Hi all,

I am currently using the AMP88 as my primary doubles racket.

Was thinking of getting another racket as a backup.
Can anyone comment on the AMP88 vs the Nano PRO 9600 Tour?

Thanx in advance.

[Stinkiray]

The way I see it(judging from others review), the Nano PRO 9600 Tour is more of a defensive racket, while the AMP88 is more of an offensive racket.

But that's just from other's opinion though, I never used any of them. In fact, I'm thinking of getting a Armor Muscle racket, and what's the difference between ArmorMuscle 90 and 95 anyway, other than the Balance point and paint?

[hoiboy79]

Nano Pro 9600 Tour definitely seems more like a defensive racket to me. I have both the AMP 90 and 9600

[Stinkiray]

Which is better?

[Sealman]

In fact, I'm thinking of getting a Armor Muscle racket, and what's the difference between ArmorMuscle 90 and 95 anyway, other than the Balance point and paint?

AMP90 has a slim frame and shaft design according to this:
http://www.apacscanada.com/product_info.php/cPath/21_29/products_id/40

[DinkAlot]

AMP90 has a slim frame and shaft design according to this:
http://www.apacscanada.com/product_info.php/cPath/21_29/products_id/40


I have both rackets and the frame of the AMP 90 and 95 seem to be the same in thickness. The shaft on the 90 is a bit thinner than the 95. Both feel about the same stiff.

[hoiboy79]

Which is better?

I'd say that if you choose the AMP 90 or 95 you won't be disappointed. I usually don't really care what racket I use but after using the AMP 90, I definitely felt somewhat of a difference. Very powerful.

[DinkAlot]

I'd say that if you choose the AMP 90 or 95 you won't be disappointed. I usually don't really care what racket I use but after using the AMP 90, I definitely felt somewhat of a difference. Very powerful.

The AMP 90 and 95 are my go to rackets. The frame is very strong and stiff. The feel is extremely solid. If you like the SOTX Woven 7 or Ti10 feel, you will love the 88, 90, and 95. The AMPs are also very powerful while still retaining very good defense.

The AMPs are about $80 USD each from www.apacscanada.com (http://www.apacscanada.com/). For the money, you'll be hard pressed to find better bang-for-the-buck.

Using the Weinsteinum rating, I'd say the AMPs are:

Based on an 89g AMP95:

Defense: Good+ to Excellent-
Power: Excellent- to Excellent

These are my personal AMPs, they are not for sale. :p

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9624/amp001jp6.jpg

[phandrew]

So the AMP95 have the same power as W7 but with much better defence?

[DinkAlot]

So the AMP95 have the same power as W7 but with much better defence?

Assuming equal weight, say 89g vs. 89g, I give the edge in power to the AMP95. And yes, defense is significantly better with the AMP.

The W7s that rate excellent in power are 91-92g. The lighter 88-89gs are not nearly as powerful.

I'm going to update my racket review to include the exact weight of each racket. 4U/3U/2U can be very misleading.

[darkwingduck]

Why does the one in bbeshop have different color scheme for the amps??

http://www.bbeshop.com/en/racket_apacs.htm

[hoiboy79]

Why does the one in bbeshop have different color scheme for the amps??

http://www.bbeshop.com/en/racket_apacs.htm

Notice the "AM" not the "AMP". Armor Muscle Series instead of Armor Muscle Pro Series. Yea APACS is crazy when it comes to names. Armor this Armor that Nanos everywhere.

[darkwingduck]

but if you look at the racket shaft you'll see its printed armor muscle pro.

http://www.bbeshop.com/apacs/images/racket_am95_shaft.jpg
http://www.bbeshop.com/apacs/images/racket_am99_shaft.jpg

:confused:

[phandrew]

Assuming equal weight, say 89g vs. 89g, I give the edge in power to the AMP95. And yes, defense is significantly better with the AMP.

The W7s that rate excellent in power are 91-92g. The lighter 88-89gs are not nearly as powerful.

I'm going to update my racket review to include the exact weight of each racket. 4U/3U/2U can be very misleading.

If both were at 91-92g then the results would still be the same as 89g?

[Stinkiray]

I just noticed something, APACS rackets don't seem to be able to stand 'straight', something wrong with the base maybe?

Anyway, aside from Balance Point,Colour Scheme,Shaft(little difference) and VERY slight difference in stiffness,the AMP 90 and 95 is the same thing. Guess they feel about the same when playing then...
Think I'll go for the 95, the paint looks more ELEGANT.:p

[Athelete1234]

The AMP 90 and 95 are my go to rackets. The frame is very strong and stiff. The feel is extremely solid. If you like the SOTX Woven 7 or Ti10 feel, you will love the 88, 90, and 95. The AMPs are also very powerful while still retaining very good defense.

The AMPs are about $80 USD each from www.apacscanada.com (http://www.apacscanada.com/). For the money, you'll be hard pressed to find better bang-for-the-buck.

Using the Weinsteinum rating, I'd say the AMPs are:

Based on an 89g AMP95:

Defense: Good+ to Excellent-
Power: Excellent- to Excellent

These are my personal AMPs, they are not for sale. :p


AMP = Armor muscle PANDA:eek::eek::eek:

Always interesting to read which racquet Dinkalot switches to next.

[DinkAlot]

If both were at 91-92g then the results would still be the same as 89g?

Yes, the AMP95 would be more powerful.

[DinkAlot]

Think I'll go for the 95, the paint looks more ELEGANT.:p

Not for me, I think the 90 looks better than the 95 in person, the color scheme is better. :p

[DinkAlot]

AMP = Armor muscle PANDA:eek::eek::eek:

Always interesting to read which racquet Dinkalot switches to next.

Panda will not be switching rackets in the foreseeable future. For Panda, the AMP is just about ideal.

[gsloh]

Panda will not be switching rackets in the foreseeable future. For Panda, the AMP is just about ideal.

Think we've all heard that line before :p! "Can't have too many rackets" is definitely another of your lines as well :p:p:p

Anyway, these rackets sound awesome, and given the apacs pricing, should be a great steal I hope! Need to get some when I get back to SE AsiA!

[phandrew]

Yes, the AMP95 would be more powerful.

I'll probably sell my W7s and buy AMP95.

[DinkAlot]

I'll probably sell my W7s and buy AMP95.

Best you buy one 95 and try it first. Everyone's different and the 95 maybe not be for you.

[hoiboy79]

AMP's are the latest craze now haha.

[ormy4]

"foreseeable future" Since I can't see more than a week at a time it is plausible otherwise my money would be on him using a new stick in the next 6 weeks.

[Stinkiray]

but if you look at the racket shaft you'll see its printed armor muscle pro.

http://www.bbeshop.com/apacs/images/racket_am95_shaft.jpg
http://www.bbeshop.com/apacs/images/racket_am99_shaft.jpg

:confused:

Huh! No idea... but could it be fake ones?:confused::confused::confused:
But then again, wh would want to fake APACS rackets?
But then again and again, the paint looks much better for the 95 than the original...:p

[hoiboy79]

Huh! No idea... but could it be fake ones?:confused::confused::confused:
But then again, wh would want to fake APACS rackets?
But then again and again, the paint looks much better for the 95 than the original...:p

Haha no way the on that 95 looks better than the original. The original paint is more "elegant" like that other guy put it haha. I don't know why, but white rackets are just really attractive.

[yanzhi0714]

hello everyone in Panda post. I recently bought an Apacs EdgeSaber 10 and Nano Speed 1900 from Ebay. Both strung with "most probably fake" Yonex Nanogy 95 strings at 22g. And I played with them over the weekend.

The 1st feeling is that...the EdgeSaber is a bit soft (lolz..pardon me if I used a wrong term, I played as a casual player before this and didn't mind to learn any of the terms). Another hypothesis I think...would be because I haven't put on extra grips on top of the original red grip which came with the Apacs G2 grip (which apparently is very small size, might be smaller than Yonex's G5).

The Nano Speed 1900, with the extra grip I applied onto it, felt powerful (altho my skills and techniques are quite noobie level XD), and it felt much more solid than the EdgeSaber 10 too. Please do correct me if you have a different opinion/view.

Hope to see Sir Panda updating the table of racquets soon~

now im on the shuttlecock searching quest :)

[hoiboy79]

Haha no way the on that 95 looks better than the original. The original paint is more "elegant" like that other guy put it haha. I don't know why, but white rackets are just really attractive.

Oh wait, you are that "other guy" haha.

[hoiboy79]

Happy Panda! Panda just received his order from APACs Canada: www.apacscanada.com (http://www.apacscanada.com). There's lots of interesting stuff to test. :D

Just from inspection, the racket fit and fit finish and materials used appear to be excellent. Also notable, APACs 3 compartment racket bags are at least 2" wider than the Yonex's 3 compartment and the materials used seem excellent. Panda thinks he finally found a backpack strap type racket bag big enough! :eek:...:)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1571/apacs1kv0.jpg

This is such a beautiful picture. I can only dream of having that.

[jesuz]

Man I'm really dying to try the AMPs and the Nano PRO 9600 Tour, but I can't seem to find any webshop selling the 9600 and apacscanada doesn't seem to be too keen on replying my enquiry on the shipping cost to sweden.

Does anyone have any tips on where i can get a hold of these raquets. Preferrably within the EU to avoid large toll charges. :)

Thanks.

[Skanbuzz]

What a lovely picture!!!

Just a matter of interest: Which Apacs racket you would consider to recommend/is most suitable (if possible your reasons too)for:

1) junior player (beginner)
2) junior player (able to play game)
(say junior is 16under)

3) adult leisure player (beginner)
4) adult club player(intermediate)
5) adult league player

6) any diffrenecs for male or female?

Does anyone know is Apacs made in UK? I think I read somewhere that Yehlex make rackets for Apacs?

[Stinkiray]

Oh wait, you are that "other guy" haha.

Of course, Elegant-original takes the cake,white is always a sign of class after all. But the 'fake'(current status) racket spells out 'FEAR ME',so yeah, that's quite something...I was referring to the AMP 99(BBESHOP) but the 95 is quite something too.

[robsilver]

Man I'm really dying to try the AMPs and the Nano PRO 9600 Tour, but I can't seem to find any webshop selling the 9600 and apacscanada doesn't seem to be too keen on replying my enquiry on the shipping cost to sweden.

Does anyone have any tips on where i can get a hold of these raquets. Preferrably within the EU to avoid large toll charges. :)

Thanks.


Speak directly to the guy from ebay. He does have all the actual thinfs from APACS.

[hoiboy79]

Speak directly to the guy from ebay. He does have all the actual thinfs from APACS.

I asked him about the Nano Pro 9600 Tour and he told me they are no longer in production. :confused: Yeaaaa......ok.

[HappyTA5]

I asked him about the Nano Pro 9600 Tour and he told me they are no longer in production. :confused: Yeaaaa......ok.

I'm sure ... apacscanada.com still have enough stock there ..... check it out if you really want it

[hoiboy79]

I'm sure ... apacscanada.com still have enough stock there ..... check it out if you really want it

Haha I have one already, I was just telling the other guy not to ask him.

[Sealman]

correct me if i'm wrong, believe in asia the nano pro 9600 tour and amp series are discontinued models?

[Stinkiray]

No idea, but that's probably why I never see any AMPs(all three) and the Nano PRO 9600 tour.

[ulric5]

So far, I haven't seen any of the AMPs in the usual stores here in KL.

My friend and I only got our AMP88s :D from online seller 'zhensheng' in the Low Yat forum. He's selling all the AMPs for about RM2xx but he's now running out of stock for certain models.

As far as I know, the Nano Pro 9600 Tour, I can't find at all.:confused:

Last week, went to AJ Racket Mart in Puchong and got myself the Fusion Pro 8899 (40T, Woven Tech) which is slightly cheaper than the AMPs. Very happy with it.

[hoiboy79]

Maybe the eBay guy was right when he said that they were discontinued. I bought the last AMP and Nano Pro 9600 Tour from Honly in JB.

[phandrew]

I had a try of AMP95 on Friday and i found it too light. It was a 3U racket but i felt it was a bit slow when defending for some odd reason.

[DinkAlot]

I had a try of AMP95 on Friday and i found it too light. It was a 3U racket but i felt it was a bit slow when defending for some odd reason.


Everyone's different and you cannot go by what I (or anyone else says), you have to try the racket yourself to know for sure.

What is the dry weight of your AMP95? Mine were all 88.5-89.5g. BP around 305.

As for the racket frame, it's a wide body, thick frame. This is what makes the racket so strong. I have no problems using it for defense, in fact I welcome it.

Again, everyone's different. :)

[HappyTA5]

I had a try of AMP95 on Friday and i found it too light. It was a 3U racket but i felt it was a bit slow when defending for some odd reason.

Your description..is somewhat very confuse..

Light racket ....and ... slow...... it is not usually the case in racket design..

light racket give u fast racket .. may be less powerful

Heavy racket somewhat powerful and slow.. ...

[phandrew]

I didn't feel the momentum of the racket when i swung it around.

[DinkAlot]

I didn't feel the momentum of the racket when i swung it around.

You swung it around? You didn't actually try the racket, in any detail?

*shakes head* :p

With or without strings? Inside or outside a room? :p

[Athelete1234]

Your description..is somewhat very confuse..

Light racket ....and ... slow...... it is not usually the case in racket design..

light racket give u fast racket .. may be less powerful

Heavy racket somewhat powerful and slow.. ...
Not always, like in the case of AT900T...very fast, but feels not extremely light. And also, like maybe an AT700 4U is very light...but slow.

Design is just as important as weight!! (like frame profile, etc)

[phandrew]

You swung it around? You didn't actually try the racket, in any detail?

*shakes head* :p

With or without strings? Inside or outside a room? :p

With string and on court for 3 hours. The tension might have had something do with me not liking the racket because it was 5lbs lower then what i play with.

[DinkAlot]

With string and on court for 3 hours. The tension might have had something do with me not liking the racket because it was 5lbs lower then what i play with.


No offense (to you intended) but this is a perfect example of why I stopped participating in these discussions.

If I had what I felt was one of the least playable rackets strung with my ideal string, ideal tension and ideal grip size, it will play better than my favorite racket with the wrong grip size, wrong tension and worst string.

This is also the reason why I stopped reviewing things because it's very hard to truly quantify results on a consistent basis.

[77suns]

No offense (to you intended) but this is a perfect example of why I stopped participating in these discussions.

If I had what I felt was one of the least playable rackets strung with my ideal string, ideal tension and ideal grip size, it will play better than my favorite racket with the wrong grip size, wrong tension and worst string.

This is also the reason why I stopped reviewing things because it's very hard to truly quantify results on a consistent basis.

Please dont stop reviewing:crying: i for one have found my idea string, grip brand, tension using your review postup as my guide! I believe once we have come to know one,s own style of play and try enough racket hehe:D, we will better understand and see others review in right perspective.

[jesuz]

Haha I have one already, I was just telling the other guy not to ask him.

That's too bad. It was the 9600 Tour i was the most interested in trying since it seems to be very much like the NS9000-raquets but for like 1/3 of the price. :/
Just my luck i guess :)

[phandrew]

No offense (to you intended) but this is a perfect example of why I stopped participating in these discussions.

If I had what I felt was one of the least playable rackets strung with my ideal string, ideal tension and ideal grip size, it will play better than my favorite racket with the wrong grip size, wrong tension and worst string.

This is also the reason why I stopped reviewing things because it's very hard to truly quantify results on a consistent basis.

Sorry about that DinkAlot. I'll play with the AMP95 again tonight with my normal tension and see how it goes.

[chongkiatz]

so between VH1800, AMP series...which will be more solid feel?

does Apacs Nano 900 power (red) perform well as AMP's series ??

[DinkAlot]

so between VH1800, AMP series...which will be more solid feel?

does Apacs Nano 900 power (red) perform well as AMP's series ??


The AMP is going to feel the most solid.

The VH1800 has a unique feel, some will like it some won't. There's no vibration at all.

If you can wield the AMP, the clone rackets will not perform as well. The clones are easier to use, the AMP rackets are significantly more demanding.

[chongkiatz]

oo...thx brother....but for u ...88,90,95 are the same weight and same head heavy...to other...will 95 more head heavy than 90?? because i dunno going for 95 or 90 since their price are same >.<....dunno how to choose...izit between this 3 just choose which colour i like?? zzzzzz

[ToxBad]

The 95, frame and shaft is thicker. I bought it. Tried it and fell in love with it. I didnt try the 88, 90 or any VH, but Id say that its an awesome racket. Extremely powerful and good looking. Fun to play with but as Dink said... a little demanding. I actually have important elbow/arm problems (not caused by this racket btw) but I still can play with it. I guess that if it starts getting worse... I will have to stop playing or get a VH for lower vibration... anyway... The 95 is a really solid racket.

[chongkiatz]

who have try out 95 and 90?? i will either choose a Nano 900 power (red) or an AMP's series...just scare i can't handle by using AMP >.< since i not really an advan player...just a intermediate- player


so any idea Din ??

[ToxBad]

Its NOT that HARD to handle. Extremely fun to use also.

[ulric5]

who have try out 95 and 90?? i will either choose a Nano 900 power (red) or an AMP's series...just scare i can't handle by using AMP >.< since i not really an advan player...just a intermediate- player


so any idea Din ??

I am also an average to intermediate player.

Currently using the AMP88. Very easy to handle and fun to use :cool:.
You should have no problems with it. Haven't tried the 90 though.

Between the Nano 900 Power and an AMP, you should go for the AMP. You will have no regrets.:D

Just my opinions.

[hoiboy79]

who have try out 95 and 90?? i will either choose a Nano 900 power (red) or an AMP's series...just scare i can't handle by using AMP >.< since i not really an advan player...just a intermediate- player


so any idea Din ??

If you we're choosing between those two, without a doubt get an AMP. I am also an intermediate player and it works fine for me. Perhaps a more advanced player could exploit its high points a lot better, but intermediate players will have not problem with it.

[chongkiatz]

just back from playing badminton.... just try the EdgeSaber10 .. what i would say is ... in my whole life Apacs Edge-saber10 is the most cheaper racket i bought and can perform very well for me...Powerful Smash...can keep on smashing without feel tired....drop, net also perform well for me...This racket also reduce my mistake alot....(from my oppinion) but just 1 thing i face is .. hard to clear base-line...
-end story-

next....going to get 1 head heavy racket....
to hoiboy and all apacs fan......which modal will u prefer??? and AMP is consider head heavy series? among 88/90/95.. which will provide most heavier head??

for example...

88 = 8/10
90 = 9/10
95 = 10/10

i would like going for 95...but scared it's too much for me and maybe 90 just enough suitable for me....confusing...why should they come out with different modal...faint @@"

guide me pls >.<

[squallyeo]

as wat i know, 88 is head lightest n 95 is head heaviest. but if u r in malaysia, u shud try to find the rackets 1st coz i've been looking for tis 3 rackets but failed

[weeyeh]

as wat i know, 88 is head lightest n 95 is head heaviest. but if u r in malaysia, u shud try to find the rackets 1st coz i've been looking for tis 3 rackets but failed

I remember seeing all these rackets in Hong Li @ Taman Sentosa (JB). He does carry a lot of apacs so you may want to check him out if you are around Johor.

[kimir]

I visited Hongly a few days ago but could not find any AMP rackets. The VH series are available.

[Skanbuzz]

Hi,
I have been reading the APAC fans thread.
Could any of you tell me which APACS rackets is equivalent to say Yonex MP45, MP22
or any of the lower entry level rackets

Thanks

[hoiboy79]

I visited Hongly a few days ago but could not find any AMP rackets. The VH series are available.

I took the last one muahahahaha :p.....sorry lol

[hoiboy79]

next....going to get 1 head heavy racket....
to hoiboy and all apacs fan......which modal will u prefer??? and AMP is consider head heavy series? among 88/90/95.. which will provide most heavier head??

for example...

88 = 8/10
90 = 9/10
95 = 10/10

i would like going for 95...but scared it's too much for me and maybe 90 just enough suitable for me....confusing...why should they come out with different modal...faint @@"

guide me pls >.<

I went for the 90 because of the exact same reason as you....I wanted something reasonably head heavy but not so much that my defense would be significantly harmed. The 90 is just right for me....it's really powerful but the defense is still there. Anyway, I don't know the difference between 90 and 95 as I have not tried the 95 before. I remember reading a post by DinkALot saying that all three 88, 90, and 95 feel the same, but I really don't know.

[DinkAlot]

Assuming the weights are the same, I believe they all play very similarly.

I had one AMP88, it weighed: 87.0g

I had three AMP90s, they weighed: 87.5, 87.5, 88.0g

I have numerous AMP95s, they all weighed between: 88.5 to 90.7g, mostly around the 89g range.

Playing with the lightest of each racket, they played nearly identical.

I mentioned before (somewhere), the only differences I see:

The 88 doesn't have the MP grommets up top, the 90 and 95 do.

The 90 is a slim shaft while the 95 is a thicker shaft.

Don't recall if the 88 has a slim or thick shaft but I believe thin.

Splitting hairs, the 90 swings faster than the 95 due to the slimmer shaft. I believe the 88 does too.



I went for the 90 because of the exact same reason as you....I wanted something reasonably head heavy but not so much that my defense would be significantly harmed. The 90 is just right for me....it's really powerful but the defense is still there. Anyway, I don't know the difference between 90 and 95 as I have not tried the 95 before. I remember reading a post by DinkALot saying that all three 88, 90, and 95 feel the same, but I really don't know.

[iamverycheap]

sorry to asking.is apacs rackets cheaper than yonex rackets?sorry,i like cheaper badminton stuffs.how is quality comparing to yonex?any warranty on apacs rackets in case i smack and break the rackets?:)

[ThunderCloud]

Anyone has side by side pictures of AMP88, 90, 95? Or even higher resolution pictures that shows the whole racket? I can't make up my mind!

I'm leaning toward AMP90 but AMP88 is $6 cheaper at ApacsCanada right now. :o

Another problem is, I currently have a 9600 tour. Should I buy 1 AMP? 2 AMP? 2 AMP + 1 9600? :o

I guess I'll decide after I find out if I got into the varsity team or not. :)

[hoiboy79]

sorry to asking.is apacs rackets cheaper than yonex rackets?sorry,i like cheaper badminton stuffs.how is quality comparing to yonex?any warranty on apacs rackets in case i smack and break the rackets?:)

You can smack like 8 APACS rackets and still have more money left over than if you bought one Yonex racket. :p

[hoiboy79]

Anyone has side by side pictures of AMP88, 90, 95? Or even higher resolution pictures that shows the whole racket? I can't make up my mind!

I'm leaning toward AMP90 but AMP88 is $6 cheaper at ApacsCanada right now. :o

Another problem is, I currently have a 9600 tour. Should I buy 1 AMP? 2 AMP? 2 AMP + 1 9600? :o

I guess I'll decide after I find out if I got into the varsity team or not. :)

Buy an AMP 90.....it's just right for me, don't know about for you though.

[chongkiatz]

hoiboy...when u going to try 95 ?? =D i would like to know the result >.<

after red ur post i feel i going to get 90 also =.="

AMP 90 can feel the head is heavy when swim it?? how is the feel if compared with AT900P?

[chongkiatz]

last decision.... i will go for AMP 95...i will just try to train my hand to be more powerful to hold the racket....after get salary on next week...direct purchase the racket :d ...hope the racket won't make me disappointed =(

[id0101]

last decision.... i will go for AMP 95...i will just try to train my hand to be more powerful to hold the racket....after get salary on next week...direct purchase the racket :d ...hope the racket won't make me disappointed =(

The racket won't dissapoint you. Only our skill will dissapoint us ;)

[chongkiatz]

some question here...do the AMP 95 head heavy similar to AT900P?


and wat the different between slim frame and thick frame?

[hoiboy79]

some question here...do the AMP 95 head heavy similar to AT900P?


and wat the different between slim frame and thick frame?

First off, I think the AMP 95 might be slightly less head heavy than an AT900P. Very very slightly. And second, a slim frame will make a racket more aerodynamic, so you will be able to swing slightly faster.

[chongkiatz]

then what is the advantange for thicker frame?? thick frame and slim frame both can generate same power also??

[Tsuioku]

To generalize... Thinner frames tend to be more defensive and aerodynamic while thicker frames tend to be more offensive and stable.

Keep in mind that factors like stiffness and balance also play an important role.

Remember that power comes from the player... not the racket. The racket is the medium used to transfer this power. The power generated depends on your play style. Some will find the slim frame more powerful (due to faster stroke) while others will find the thick frame more powerful (due to higher mass).

[chongkiatz]

after review from Tsuioku and hoiboy....i feel going to get AMP 90...zzzzz....since i more like faster swim...can ask them paint the 90 with 95 paint colour? lol

[superflip_]

Very soon I will receive rackets from APACS other brand. It are the same rackets from the same factory, it only differs from painting and price.

Stay tuned ;)

[alana07]

Very soon I will receive rackets from APACS other brand. It are the same rackets from the same factory, it only differs from painting and price.

Stay tuned ;)

please post pics of them if you can...;):p

[superflip_]

please post pics of them if you can...;):p

I actually can already, but then I have to mark out the brand name. The designs are different and there is a new range called TWoven. Just one guess which brand that comes from. :rolleyes:

I'll try to post pictures of the rackets later on the day!

[superflip_]

Here are some pictures + specs ...
Maybe I post high resolution details soon...

http://www.superflip.be/_badmintoncentral/racket3.jpg
http://www.superflip.be/_badmintoncentral/racket5.jpg
http://www.superflip.be/_badmintoncentral/racket918.jpg
http://www.superflip.be/_badmintoncentral/racket919.jpg
http://www.superflip.be/_badmintoncentral/racket900.jpg

[chongkiatz]

so what is the brand of this racket?? also called Apacs?? the Nano Force no.3 seen very nice...4U with head heavy...

[superflip_]

so what is the brand of this racket?? also called Apacs?? the Nano Force no.3 seen very nice...4U with head heavy...

It's not called Apacs, they are starting up another brand. That's why I blanked out the brand.

[chongkiatz]

so their price is almost same with apacs or even expensive? =.="

[superflip_]

so their price is almost same with apacs or even expensive? =.="

That will depend on reseller. At the moment I've only the large quantity prices and they are lower then Apacs.

Shuttlecock and other items have the same price.

[iamverycheap]

You can smack like 8 APACS rackets and still have more money left over than if you bought one Yonex racket. :p
of course i will not smakc the rackets on purpoese.but seem like apacsr acket are cheaper than yonex.cheaper always good.:)don't know if there is any warranty also if i buy?

[chongkiatz]

Dinkalot....what is the maximun string for AMP series??? can they string over 30lbs??

[DinkAlot]

Dinkalot....what is the maximun string for AMP series??? can they string over 30lbs??

Yes, easily..........

[chongkiatz]

need a good stringer or just simply can string up to 30lbs?

[3radius]

need a good stringer or just simply can string up to 30lbs?

that's implied isn't it? lousy stringer will break your racquet :rolleyes:

[YCH79]

dear all & sir dinkalot,

would like to seek for your advise between apacs nano 900 power white and apacs visible hollow 1300.i'm more use to attacking game play (double).not very good in strength but hope can deliver a better smash and more powerful shot with 1 of those racquet.my previous racquet was apacs power concept 1100 and i found out no matter hard i try to whack the bird...its still the same. looking forward to improve my skill.all info and comment are wellcome.by the way are the nano 900 power still available in the market?
Please advise......thank you.

[Willi@m]

The bird din fly properly ? check its wing, could be broken liao. Must feel the bird 1st then it can whack for you mah. Maybe PC1100 too light, Nano900power could bring out the Godjilla. VHS1300 is slim head+head light, big clash sure kaput.

[YCH79]

william,
how about some others visible hollow series....vs1500 or vs1600?looking forward for slightly heavy headed.please advise....thanks

[hellojeffo]

william,
how about some others visible hollow series....vs1500 or vs1600?looking forward for slightly heavy headed.please advise....thanks
Bro i think the nano900power is good... your wrist work must be decent to deliver a good smash also la... but I love this racquet for smashing in doubles... I can deliver a fast smash from backcourt also!

[YCH79]

hellojeffo,

thanks for the info.....beside that do u know whats the price for nano900 power?