LCW lost??? wowwww....any comments?:mad:

there is no need to create this thread IMHO..
its juz a simulation match...
further more, this match is like a training for him..
dont worry:)

there is no need to create this thread IMHO..
its juz a simulation match...
further more, this match is like a training for him..
dont worry:)it happened about the same time u fail to log onto msn.:eek:

lolx cooler!!!:):):):D:D:D

there is no need to create this thread IMHO..
its juz a simulation match...
further more, this match is like a training for him..
dont worry:)

Roslin cant even make the TC squad and LCW, our #1 lost to him.
Dont worry?? Well, like it or not it dont look good with the TC just round the corner. And Roslin is nowhere near LD.

dont worry, pemuda..
relax:)
lcw juz give face to roslin only..
:)
lol
but during the TC/UC, he will be back in smashing form!
juz wait and see..
no point we post our opinion here...its the players who nid to change themselves, we post here cant change them rite?

i think lcw was too focused on training to beat LD, TH, CJ, BCL, PSH, SK that he has no idea how to handle roslin.

dont worry, pemuda..
relax:)
lcw juz give face to roslin only..
:)
lol
but during the TC/UC, he will be back in smashing form!
juz wait and see..
no point we post our opinion here...its the players who nid to change themselves, we post here cant change them rite?
yaaa.............i know george....but it quite worry me a lot....cause LCW must win all match in TC if malaysia want to progress:D:D

dont worry, pemuda..
relax:)
lcw juz give face to roslin only..
:)
lol
but during the TC/UC, he will be back in smashing form!
juz wait and see..
no point we post our opinion here...its the players who nid to change themselves, we post here cant change them rite?

LCW give face to Roslin?? :o How la to win when he dont even take training seriously. Our TC campaign is turning into a farce.

i think lcw was too focused on training to beat LD, TH, CJ, BCL, PSH, SK that he has no idea how to handle roslin.

So, what you are saying is if you challenge LCW to a game, you will most probably beat him cos the lad is too focused on LD, TH, CJ, BCL, PSH, SK??? :o

i think lcw was too focused on training to beat LD, TH, CJ, BCL, PSH, SK that he has no idea how to handle roslin.
hahahaa...............good idea:D:D:D:D

yaaa.............i know george....but it qiute worry me a lot....cause LCW must win all match in TC if malaysia want to progress:D:D

You are right. But Malaysia Boleh fans are still living in dreamland. They will try to kid themselves with a "LCW give face", "Just a training only", "LCW will be in smashing form in the TC" etc etc.

As our #1, LCW should have easily packed off Roslin or else how la to beat LD?

Malaysia Boleh!

lets dont give lee chong wei too much pressure even b4 the TC/UC starts./.
juz 3 more days..
and 2day the whole MAS TC/UC squad will be reaching Jakarta tonight:)

lets dont give lee chong wei too much pressure even b4 the TC/UC starts./.
juz 3 more days..
and 2day the whole MAS TC/UC squad will be reaching Jakarta tonight:)
yaaa...........we give them a chance to enjoy there...especially rexy hometown....rexy sure bring his family together...any body confirm?

lets dont give lee chong wei too much pressure even b4 the TC/UC starts./.
juz 3 more days..
and 2day the whole MAS TC/UC squad will be reaching Jakarta tonight:)

Dont want pressure.

Cant win simulation match against some over the hill shuttler.

This is the typical Malaysia Boleh subsidy mentality.

So, what you are saying is if you challenge LCW to a game, you will most probably beat him cos the lad is too focused on LD, TH, CJ, BCL, PSH, SK??? :o
unfortunately, i'm not at their pro level so ur attempt to make analogous comparison is quite useless. If LD can lose to susilo, PSH and LHI in his early days, why cant lcw lose to roslin?

lets dont give lee chong wei too much pressure even b4 the TC/UC starts./.
juz 3 more days..
and 2day the whole MAS TC/UC squad will be reaching Jakarta tonight:)
george....this pemuda is really from trengganu or somewhere around ghongzhou????:D

george....this pemuda is really from trengganu or somewhere around ghongzhou????:D
i think he is from terrenganu:)

unfortunately, i'm not at their pro level so ur attempt to make analogous comparison is quite useless. If LD can lose to susilo, PSH and LHI in his early days, why cant lcw lose to roslin?

Errr ... LD lost to Susilo, PSH & LHI in competitive matches. While our LCW lost to Roslin in a training game. Understand the difference?

i think he is from terrenganu:)
look like anti malaysia......who knows???:mad::mad:

look like anti malaysia......who knows???:mad::mad:

Is speaking the facts anti Malaysia? :rolleyes:

Is speaking the facts anti Malaysia? :rolleyes:
no heart feeling pemuda....just joking:D:D:D

Dont want pressure.

Cant win simulation match against some over the hill shuttler.

This is the typical Malaysia Boleh subsidy mentality.
we must have faith in our MAS badminton shuttlers..:)
and support them all the way la..

we must have faith in our MAS badminton shuttlers..:)
and support them all the way la..
george boleh.......:D:D:D:D

Errr ... LD lost to Susilo, PSH & LHI in competitive matches. While our LCW lost to Roslin in a training game. Understand the difference?
which tells me one can't draw much conclusion out of internal training/simulation match unless u can gurantee me that lcw played at his 100% best.

fyi, gong zhichao had beaten olympic gold medalist Ji Xinpeng in training match too:rolleyes:

What if LCW beat Roslin 21-5, 21-6 and got thrash easily by ALL of his opponents when the TC final begins?
Spain usually did well in their pre-qualifying or couple of friendly matches ahead for Euro/World Cup, but what did they achieve when it comes to the Final Round?

george boleh.......:D:D:D:D
haiya, reiko..
dont put my name wif so big font leh,...:D:D

[quote=george@chongwei;863120]haiya, reiko..

haiyaaa...thousand opologize george:D:D

Yesterdays matches was not that intense. Its just a mock game to let the new guys get a feel of Thomas Uber Cup experience. Their "opponent team" are instructed to give them a mockery and probably some "FAN" antics to let them prepare whats going to happen in INA. I'm sure INA's situation will be more worse.

Winning is not the point for yesterday's matches. The main players do not need to go all out in the games yesterday.

no heart feeling pemuda....just joking:D:D:D

None taken, dude. Just stating my stand. ;)

which tells me one can't draw much conclusion out of internal training/simulation match unless u can gurantee me that lcw played at his 100% best.

fyi, gong zhichao had beaten olympic gold medalist Ji Xinpeng in training match too:rolleyes:

If you cannot beat an over the hill shuttler just a few days before TC, then things certainly dont look good.

Nothing is guaranteed BUT if you are unable, in LCW's case overcome a shuttler that is already past his sell by date, the indication or sign is there that LCW may have problems in Jakarta.

What if LCW beat Roslin 21-5, 21-6 and got thrash easily by ALL of his opponents when the TC final begins?
Spain usually did well in their pre-qualifying or couple of friendly matches ahead for Euro/World Cup, but what did they achieve when it comes to the Final Round?

Dont be confused. As our #1, LCW is expected to beat that over the hill, Roslin who didnt even make it as a reserve in our TC squad.

Errr ... did Spain got beaten either by their junior or veteran team in a simulation match before the Euro/WC? And fyi, Spain won the European Championship once ;)

Yesterdays matches was not that intense. Its just a mock game to let the new guys get a feel of Thomas Uber Cup experience. Their "opponent team" are instructed to give them a mockery and probably some "FAN" antics to let them prepare whats going to happen in INA. I'm sure INA's situation will be more worse.

Winning is not the point for yesterday's matches. The main players do not need to go all out in the games yesterday.

Dude, if we continue to dish out excuses we are never gonna progress in badminton. All this molly cuddling gotta stop let's not kid ourselves anymore. Yesterday was a disaster, period.

The issue here is that our shuttlers took yesterday's session lightly. If our shuttlers take a tidak apa attitude in training, when it comes to the tournament proper, they are gonna be found out big time.

Mark my word, we are gonna get a beating in Jakarta.

I do agree with you that there are players who treat the session with the Tak Apa attitude. And the session i would say it was not well organized and not a disaster. But i don't think you were there yesterday. There are things that the press didn't mention.

If you cannot beat an over the hill shuttler just a few days before TC, then things certainly dont look good.

Nothing is guaranteed BUT if you are unable, in LCW's case overcome a shuttler that is already past his sell by date, the indication or sign is there that LCW may have problems in Jakarta.
this goes back to my first post, lcw wasnt prepared for roslin style.
Roslin may no longer be a spring chicken but playing one hard match isn't that crippling for him. It wasn't long ago that roslin beaten LHI and BCL in dec 2007 Hong kong open before pooping out in the quarterfinal against Kenneth J.

Dude, I dont need to be there. As members of our TC team, our shuttlers are expected to give their best whether it is a training match or whatsoever. They are representing the nation and this is no laughing or social matter.

LCW as our #1 are expected to beat some shuttler who didnt even make the squad, period.

Money have been spent to send our team to PD for some team building camp. What did this achieved? Judging from yesterday's event, it is looking more like money being wasted on a bunch of tidak apa shuttlers.

this goes back to my first post, lcw wasnt prepared for roslin style.
Roslin may no longer be a spring chicken but playing one hard match isn't that crippling for him. It wasn't long ago that roslin beaten LHI and BCL in dec 2007 Hong kong open before pooping out in the quarterfinal against Kenneth J.

I am sorry if LCW wasnt prepared how in the hell is he gonna play 1st singles??!!! :o:o Shall we exercised our Malaysian subsidy mentality and maybe get LD and co to fax to LCW in advance and tell the lad what kind of 'style' they will be playing when they come up against LCW? :eek:

I am sorry, yesterday's event was a disaster.

I am sorry if LCW wasnt prepared how in the hell is he gonna play 1st singles??!!! :o:o Shall we exercised our Malaysian subsidy mentality and maybe get LD and co to fax to LCW in advance and tell the lad what kind of 'style' they will be playing when they come up against LCW? :eek:

I am sorry, yesterday's event was a disaster.because in TC, lcw wont be playing against roslin. btw, LD knows how to play against lcw, many years ago.

...there weren't actually people paying and watching the matches. I would imagine if Pemuda was in attendance and actually paid for the tickets, and saw the same results, he'd go back to the ticket booth and demand a full refund...."I WANT MY MONEY BAAAACK!!";)

because in TC, lcw wont be playing against roslin. btw, LD knows how to play against lcw, many years ago.

If LCW cant even beat Roslin, how is he gonna beat the likes of LD, TH in Jakarta who are all better than Roslin?:eek:

Not only LD knows how to play LCW, LD is a better shuttler than LCW by a mile.

...there weren't people actually paying and watching the matches. I would imagine if Pemuda was in attendance and actually paid for the tickets, and saw the same results, he'd go back to the ticket booth and demand a full refund...."I WANT MY MONEY BAAAACK!!";)

It is about our shuttlers not taking things seriously. It is about the tidak apa culture amongst our shuttlers.

I guess some Malaysia Boleh fans will never be able to see the light. ;)

Dude, I dont need to be there. As members of our TC team, our shuttlers are expected to give their best whether it is a training match or whatsoever. They are representing the nation and this is no laughing or social matter.

LCW as our #1 are expected to beat some shuttler who didnt even make the squad, period.

Money have been spent to send our team to PD for some team building camp. What did this achieved? Judging from yesterday's event, it is looking more like money being wasted on a bunch of tidak apa shuttlers.

Oklah.. i don't think i'm going to have an argument with you on this issue. Lets just support them during the next few day and week in the TCUC.

...(sorry, a bit off topic)...ants, do you know who's the fella with the red t-shirt, sitting down in between LWW & LCW, laughing and having a good time??...:confused: ;)

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2008/5/8/sports/s_pg69heong.jpg

...(sorry, a bit off topic)...ants, do you know who's the fella with the red t-shirt, sitting down in between LWW & LCW, laughing and having a good time??...:confused: ;)

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2008/5/8/sports/s_pg69heong.jpg



Isn't that Ong soon Hock...or is it Tan bin Shen??

Haha....joking only lah. We all know who he is....

BTW i was also taken aback by the lack lustre display by the TC team. It was not a simulation match, more of a training match. The BAM shud have it in a stadium with the public invited to watch . That wud be more of a simulation match to me.

...
Haha....joking only lah. We all know who he is....
...
....who is he??...hmm, or the person must be "mum" on the identity of that person....:p ;)
Btw, looking at the other people's facial expressions around him, i guess he was the only one enjoying the match..;)

It's a set-up. LCW was supposed to lose his MS1 match to test how the rest of the team can swing things around.The media just got conned plus the NATO chap.

Yes, yes, sure it was one big set up :rolleyes:. Conducted to fool our opponents. :o
And pigs can fly.

ants....were you there when they played this so called simulation matches

..he was there, FRONT and CENTER (you read his admission, in the earlier posts of this thread, i assume??)...:cool:

ants....were you there when they played this so called simulation matches

........and who do you think that guy in red "the only one enjoying the match " was?

It's a set-up. LCW was supposed to lose his MS1 match to test how the rest of the team can swing things around.The media just got conned plus the NATO chap.

...hehe, and who cud this NATO guy be??
anyways, your theory may be right, but once the TC gets underway, no amount of "simulation matches" can prepare you for what's gonna be in store, with your real opponents on the other side of the court...the tension is for real ,no longer simulated !!

........and who do you think that guy in red "the only one enjoying the match " was?
..that fella is not our ants (or maybe he's ants' long lost twin brother??:rolleyes:), then check out the pics in this thread. See if you guys can find another player or person wearing a red t-shirt....and guess who took the pics??..:cool:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55279

ants....were you there when they played this so called simulation matches

Ants was definetely there. Look at the TC & Uber photos thread. If he wasnt there, he couldnt have taken the photos.

Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun lost to Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo during the Simulation match of Team CHN a few days ago.

Candra Wijaya (partnering Flandy Limpele) also lost twice in the two Simulation matches of Team INA to Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto and Hendra A. Gunawan/Joko Riyadi. Yet, he still got selected.

Similary, Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan lost to Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto (who ended up not selected).

Dont be confused. As our #1, LCW is expected to beat that over the hill, Roslin who didnt even make it as a reserve in our TC squad.


Well, as I said, the World No 1 pair, the reigning World Champion Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan lost in the Simulation match against a pair who at the end didn't make it to the team as well (and hadn't won a title for 4 years) ;)

No big deal....

LCW as our #1 are expected to beat some shuttler who didnt even make the squad, period.
It won't be too late to criticise till LCW loses to much lower ranked players in Jakarta. :o

If I were you, I would have saved my energy till then. No point "barking" here and there at this moment! :rolleyes:

Luckily, LCW didn't punch Misbun or whoever arranged the match-ups. :D

If I were you, I would have saved my energy till then.....

Luckily, LCW didn't punch Misbun or whoever arranged the match-ups. :D

Robin7, talk abt saving energy, seems the "cheerleaders" also decided to save their "cheering for team mate" energy for the real thing in Jakarta. You save some energy too, to cheer loudly for Msia.

And maybe bring along another SLR camera to "shoot" any potential punch-ups :D;)

pemuda equation:beating lcw = almost same level with ld...

to me...it just for arif to cope the pressure at final tie...

and pemuda...did u think all player whom are higher ranking wont lose to a lower ranking???...malaysia no. 1 lcw was stand at world no.2 because he beating higher ranking opponent in his early day...if no higher ranking can lose...then...they should remain at that ranking until retired lar???...an example,roslin will remain at no.1 from 2001 until now lar???...the where is the superb ld should stand now???...hmm...weird...

pemuda equation:beating lcw = almost same level with ld...

to me...it just for arif to cope the pressure at final tie...

and pemuda...did u think all player whom are higher ranking wont lose to a lower ranking???...malaysia no. 1 lcw was stand at world no.2 because he beating higher ranking opponent in his early day...if no higher ranking can lose...then...they should remain at that ranking until retired lar???...an example,roslin will remain at no.1 from 2001 until now lar???...the where is the superb ld should stand now???...hmm...weird...
maybe LCW want to show to lin dan that he is not good now....its psychology minded from LCW.....the real will come on first match against john noody...:D:D

i think chong hann,hafiz and arif will be played

Good grief, this much responses and negativity from a single simulation game???? :rolleyes:

Good grief, this much responses and negativity from a single simulation game???? :rolleyes:

As usual, from the "you-know-who" ;)

In contrast, INA fans like us are not as critical. Every country has a chance of winning the Thomas Cup, including MAS and INA.

Imagine if we were to take the simulation results seriously....we will be calling for the heads of Kido/Hendra and ask for Luluk/Alvent to be reinstated into the Thomas Cup team :o

Or better still, go all-out to send the juniors....something like: Tommy Sugiarto (MS1), Alamsyah Yunus (MS2), Bandar Sigit Pamungkas (MS3), Yoga Pratama (MS4), Bona Septano/Mohd Ahsan (MD1), Wifqi Windarto/Afiat Yuris Wirawan (MD2), Lingga Lie/Fernando Kurniawan (MD3). :eek:

As usual, from the "you-know-who" ;)

In contrast, INA fans like us are not as critical. Every country has a chance of winning the Thomas Cup, including MAS and INA.

Imagine if we were to take the simulation results seriously....we will be calling for the heads of Kido/Hendra and ask for Luluk/Alvent to be reinstated into the Thomas Cup team :o

Or better still, go all-out to send the juniors....something like: Tommy Sugiarto (MS1), Alamsyah Yunus (MS2), Bandar Sigit Pamungkas (MS3), Yoga Pratama (MS4), Bona Septano/Mohd Ahsan (MD1), Wifqi Windarto/Afiat Yuris Wirawan (MD2), Lingga Lie/Fernando Kurniawan (MD3). :eek:

LOL, Badmania, we're loyal and generally not too critical, but if PBSI send a bunch of juniors to a TC held in our very own backyard ...... I'll demand a sanity check on every single talking head there!! :p

Well, as I said, the World No 1 pair, the reigning World Champion Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan lost in the Simulation match against a pair who at the end didn't make it to the team as well (and hadn't won a title for 4 years) ;)

No big deal....

Well, Indonesia have won the Thomas Cup 13 times. They have the history and titles.

No big deal?? Well, lets see in Jakarta ok? ;)

It won't be too late to criticise till LCW loses to much lower ranked players in Jakarta. :o

If I were you, I would have saved my energy till then. No point "barking" here and there at this moment! :rolleyes:

Luckily, LCW didn't punch Misbun or whoever arranged the match-ups. :D

Criticise LCW? LCW punching Misbun? Barking here and there?

Dude, please get in straight in that head of yours, LCW, as our #1 is expected to beat a shuttler that is over the hill and did not make TC squad. This is a given, not being critical of LCW here.
Whats this LCW punching Misbun thingy here?:o

Dude, if I were you I would be pretty embarrassed.

pemuda equation:beating lcw = almost same level with ld...

to me...it just for arif to cope the pressure at final tie...

and pemuda...did u think all player whom are higher ranking wont lose to a lower ranking???...malaysia no. 1 lcw was stand at world no.2 because he beating higher ranking opponent in his early day...if no higher ranking can lose...then...they should remain at that ranking until retired lar???...an example,roslin will remain at no.1 from 2001 until now lar???...the where is the superb ld should stand now???...hmm...weird...

I dont know where you derive the equation thingy from :o. You are not on some medication, are you?

As for your question, I am not talking about ranking here. I am saying if our TC squad finds it hard to beat some last minute assembled group of shuttlers (who didnt even make the TC squad), the likes of China, Denmark, Indonesia will give us a mega beating. Even a 7yr old will be able to know that.

And since some of the shuttlers took the simulation match with a tidak apa attitude, it proves that that team building in PD is a wasted effort.

Robin7, talk abt saving energy, seems the "cheerleaders" also decided to save their "cheering for team mate" energy for the real thing in Jakarta. You save some energy too, to cheer loudly for Msia.

And maybe bring along another SLR camera to "shoot" any potential punch-ups :D;)

What happened to your 'stimulation' thingy? :D

What happened to your 'stimulation' thingy? :D

Correct loh, simulation/ 'stimulation' only mah he he, not the real deal. Better the team save energy/vocal chords to cheer for their team mates/ show team suport when it's real tournament :D. They cheered excitedly during qualifiers in Feb.

[ LOL, Badmania, we're loyal and generally not too critical, but if PBSI send a bunch of juniors to a TC held in our very own backyard ...... I'll demand a sanity check on every single talking head there!! :p]

Good grief, this much responses and negativity from a single simulation game???? :rolleyes:

Now only you know ;), normal lah they all. By comparision, WinstonT's cute.

There are those who think it's an ok idea cos Msia "cant win TC anyway". If BAM did the same thing, the new Sports Minister, NSC, BAM Patron & media will demand sanity check on all the coaches too.

i think he is from terrenganu:)
Naah..juz Tganu borned i guess.
His life in Seremban and KL doesnt make him acted like tganu's ppl anymore.

And for LCw,it puzzled me why we should have kick up a fuss over this.
Training.It is juz training.
If he is really stressed and pressured by expectations,and unconsciously lost to Roslin.Fans should encouraged not condemned.
At this stage,thats the only way.

Naah..juz Tganu borned i guess.
His life in Seremban and KL doesnt make him acted like tganu's ppl anymore.

And for LCw,it puzzled me why we should have kick up a fuss over this.
Training.It is juz training.
If he is really stressed and pressured by expectations,and unconsciously lost to Roslin.Fans should encouraged not condemned.
At this stage,thats the only way.
koo .....im not condemn...just wait for first match against john moody:D:D

I dont know where you derive the equation thingy from :o. You are not on some medication, are you?

As for your question, I am not talking about ranking here. I am saying if our TC squad finds it hard to beat some last minute assembled group of shuttlers (who didnt even make the TC squad), the likes of China, Denmark, Indonesia will give us a mega beating. Even a 7yr old will be able to know that.

And since some of the shuttlers took the simulation match with a tidak apa attitude, it proves that that team building in PD is a wasted effort.

Exactly....... The bolded part is so true

Why do I get the feeling that Pemuda is overjoyed that LCW lost?

Correct loh, simulation/ 'stimulation' only mah he he, not the real deal. Better the team save energy/vocal chords to cheer for their team mates/ show team suport when it's real tournament :D. They cheered excitedly during qualifiers in Feb.

Just in case you are unaware, there is a difference between simulation and stimulation. ;)

Just in case you are unaware, there is a difference between simulation and stimulation. ;)

Typo error lah. You all not busy looking for the articles, copy, paste, make sure got url link, translate, no time look thru again bf press "submit" button. In addition to seeing to uploading & downloading vids.

Since you got time to see the error, wanna help post news articles or translate from malay press? ;):D Whereever I say that, sure a lot wil run one.

Typo error lah. You all not busy looking for the articles, copy, paste, make sure got url link, translate, no time look thru again bf press "submit" button. In addition to seeing to uploading & downloading vids.

Since you got time to see the error, wanna help post news articles or translate from malay press? ;):D Whereever I say that, sure a lot wil run one.

Sure, in the spirit of Malaysia Boleh, I will be more than happy to help. I am sure it will be 'stimulating' ;)

Why do I get the feeling that Pemuda is overjoyed that LCW lost?

Why do u still so positive when LCW lost in the simulation game against Roslin?

Why do u still so positive when LCW lost in the simulation game against Roslin?

It is because he is in denial syndrome.

Why do u still so positive when LCW lost in the simulation game against Roslin?


In a real competition, Roslin has always bowed out early these days. So he beat LCW this time in a simulation match, big deal.

I dont know where you derive the equation thingy from :o. You are not on some medication, are you?

As for your question, I am not talking about ranking here. I am saying if our TC squad finds it hard to beat some last minute assembled group of shuttlers (who didnt even make the TC squad), the likes of China, Denmark, Indonesia will give us a mega beating. Even a 7yr old will be able to know that.

And since some of the shuttlers took the simulation match with a tidak apa attitude, it proves that that team building in PD is a wasted effort.

hmm...u say roslin are nowhere near to ld right? in the first page...no lar...i usually taking note with equation...easier to remember...

hmm...in a match...both player will either win or lose...no others...so...if lcw didnt win...that not end of the world...just because people expect lcw have nearly 100% to win(or something like that)...but he still have a chance to lose...even it was a 0.0000001%...it still may happen...even ld cant say he is 100% will defeat roslin...if all better form player should win...so...those newcomers and those aged player no need to play lar???...if like that,uber cup should be stop lar???...because before battle we already knew china will won...that is incorrect...even one knew he may lose,they still play...to create a chance to win...that call sport...

for attitude,the pd camp was for team building right???...then...it not about games...it is about the support from teammate off court...nothing relate to the result...just some of the player didnt morale support those whom playing...

if support are directly proportional to result...i think no player can win title at other strong badminton country lor...oh ya...lin dan 21-4 at korea open was a 'solid' proof...did all korean support lindan that time,but not lee hyun il???

no offence...^^...

Criticise LCW? LCW punching Misbun? Barking here and there?

Dude, please get in straight in that head of yours, LCW, as our #1 is expected to beat a shuttler that is over the hill and did not make TC squad. This is a given, not being critical of LCW here.
Whats this LCW punching Misbun thingy here?:o

Dude, if I were you I would be pretty embarrassed.
Yeah u r right. I'm pretty embarrassed about u being a Malaysian, a negative ones.

Reading your posts made me sick and this is my last time reply to your post.

(U don't have to reply on this)!

aiya... may be he uses "reverse psychology"? :eek: may be he is a "immigrant"? if msia team bring back the TC (though virtually not possible), lets see who has the last laugh :rolleyes: will he eat his "words"?

relak lor... Msia Boleh...!!! Terenganu Boleh...!!! LCW Boleh...!!! :D

Pemuda got so many attackers lately....

MALAYSIA BOLEH!!

hmm...u say roslin are nowhere near to ld right? in the first page...no lar...i usually taking note with equation...easier to remember...

hmm...in a match...both player will either win or lose...no others...so...if lcw didnt win...that not end of the world...just because people expect lcw have nearly 100% to win(or something like that)...but he still have a chance to lose...even it was a 0.0000001%...it still may happen...even ld cant say he is 100% will defeat roslin...if all better form player should win...so...those newcomers and those aged player no need to play lar???...if like that,uber cup should be stop lar???...because before battle we already knew china will won...that is incorrect...even one knew he may lose,they still play...to create a chance to win...that call sport...

for attitude,the pd camp was for team building right???...then...it not about games...it is about the support from teammate off court...nothing relate to the result...just some of the player didnt morale support those whom playing...

if support are directly proportional to result...i think no player can win title at other strong badminton country lor...oh ya...lin dan 21-4 at korea open was a 'solid' proof...did all korean support lindan that time,but not lee hyun il???

no offence...^^...

You r correct when u said no player is 100% guaranteed to win in the game.

but the issue now is LCW is beaten by Roslin. Do u think that Roslin is better than LCW's opponent in the upcomong TC? Maybe there is excuses but the fact is - LCW is beaten by a player in which, not in the same standard with him.

Maybe u can said it's Yap or Rexy or BAM'S tactics. Or maybe ppl will find alot of excuses of the defeat but one thing for sure, u cannot change the fact - Roslin win over LCW in the simulation game. That's all.

but the issue now is LCW is beaten by Roslin. Do u think that Roslin is better than LCW's opponent in the upcomong TC? Maybe there is excuses but the fact is - LCW is beaten by a player in which, not in the same standard with him.

Maybe u can said it's Yap or Rexy or BAM'S tactics. Or maybe ppl will find alot of excuses of the defeat but one thing for sure, u cannot change the fact - Roslin win over LCW in the simulation game. That's all.

And the key here is, SIMULATION GAME. Judging someone as "Can't handle pressure" or that "all money spent on team building process is wasted" or based on a SINGLE practice match is ridiculous.

Pemuda got so many attackers lately....

MALAYSIA BOLEH!!

You should ask.... who started the attacking 1st ? Read the locked threads, the name calling & labels, it's been going on for mths.
Remember, a BCer complained to the mods just cos another BCer called him "chinaman", this is outright implying (sthimes directly saying) everyone else who dont agree are dumbos. We all consider nice already.


On simulation, read Badmania's post #54 & #55 on Indonesia & China's simulation matches ;);). You dont see Indonesia fans starting threads on why Kido/Setiawan lost to Luluk/Alvent in simulation, and there are quite a lot of Indonesia fans in BC. Simulation is simulation, no point of making big fuss, this is already pg 5.

And as some already stated, team building camp had a different objective than simulation. Win/lose in the simulation matches is not directly connected to a camp to build team unity. That was why Rexy's press comments were on team support, not skills section.

You r correct when u said no player is 100% guaranteed to win in the game.

but the issue now is LCW is beaten by Roslin. Do u think that Roslin is better than LCW's opponent in the upcomong TC? Maybe there is excuses but the fact is - LCW is beaten by a player in which, not in the same standard with him.

Maybe u can said it's Yap or Rexy or BAM'S tactics. Or maybe ppl will find alot of excuses of the defeat but one thing for sure, u cannot change the fact - Roslin win over LCW in the simulation game. That's all.

no no no!!!...what is the big matter for chong wei losing to roslin???...anybody die???...no!...or u think 'chong wei lose roslin=he will lost to someone better than roslin'???...so...when bao chun lai lost to hafiz...then all china badminton fan will worried and critic bcl???and worry that he may even lost to wch???...oh ya...a more huge example here...chen jin lose to chong wei fung...so...all china badminton fan will say:"ok,lyb,no need to bring chen jin to TC finals...he will lose to anyone greater than chong wei fung..."

will this happen???never...so funny that why must take this defeat so seriously???...if u say lcw lost to john moody(no offence to john moody) in olympic final...that was big case...losing to roslin in simulation game letting all of us argue about it???...what a big matter is this,man???

peace...

Why do I get the feeling that Pemuda is overjoyed that LCW lost?
cause pemuda is china fan....:D:D:D

LCW lost to Roslin --> a big deal --> no chance for LCW to beat any other countries MS1 players since he lost to a player that's "over-the-hill" --> money wasted on the team-building camp at Port Dickson --> gave over for Team MAS (even before the matches started :eek:) --> every player should go home and let the young guns replace them (too late though, since they already flew to Jakarta :o;)) --> coaches (Yap Kim Hock, Rexy) should resign --> BAM's president and all other officials should resign too (they are too incapable and wasted taxpayers money) too and let someone decide who will be the best person to take MAS's young guns to greater heights ;)

Other countries' players lost in the simulation (Fu/Cai, Kido/Hendra) --> no big deal --> those players (and countries) have won the WC and Olympics (and Thomas Cup) many times, so, losing in a simulation match does not mean anything....for MAS players...sorry...0 WC and Olympics and a lousy return for Thomas Cup as well (given the substantial backing from government), so, once u lose, u are condemned :o

chen jin lose to chong wei fung...so...all china badminton fan will say:"ok,lyb,no need to bring chen jin to TC finals...he will lose to anyone greater than chong wei fung..."


It's okay u see...the Great Chen Jin HAS WON the World Junior Championships and the All-England title this year and managed to sneak into the Olympics! What a year for him this year! Whereas, 0 AE and WC for MAS no 1 player, Lee Chong Wei :D A big fat kosong man....

Gloom and doom for MAS's Thomas Cup campaign...and INA to lift the coveted trophy next Sunday :o:p;)

when bao chun lai lost to hafiz...then all china badminton fan will worried and critic bcl???and worry that he may even lost to wch???

Going by the same logic..its okay mah....he lost to a better player :D Mohd Hafiz Hashim has won the coveted All-England title in 2003...whereas, Bao Chunlai's biggest title is only the China Open. Somemore, he is often called the "Qian Nian Lao Er (the thousand-years No 2)" because he had the tendency to lose in Final...so..its okay that he lost yet again to the great Hafiz.

Hehe, where's this badmania v2.0 comes from? ;)

Maybe we should've simply watch the MAS "gloom and doom" crew sabotages and undermines their own TC team. That would be one less competition for INA. Heck, don't stop at TC, go all the way to the Olympic too. Many INA/CHN fans will be eternally grateful. :p

oh...i take it...if u have a wc or olympic gold...u can lose to 3 years old kid...if not...u cant lost to anybody...ok then...so...we should start(it toooooo late i think...olympic for badminton start 16 years ago...and worldchampionship was start more than 20 time...) critic all malaysian badminton player...hmm...then just let our TC/uber team be a part of indonesia supporter in stadium...so...what should malaysian supporter do???...just quit loving malaysia and malaysian badminton...and let those wc winner and olympic gold winner play the game...

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hmm...seem like the statement was out...lcw lost to roslin=mlaysia have nothing to hope in future of badminton...just close the bam...and those money spended...ask all badminton player,coach,assistance to labour themself to pay back...

if malaysia have nothing to hope in future of badminton...so...any country beside china,ina,korea and denmark should quit from playing badminton...oh ya...we should count in usa...they win md wc in 2005 by tony-bach...

:crying:...so saddddddddddddddd...T.T...

Hehe, where's this badmania v2.0 comes from? ;)

Maybe we should've simply watch the MAS "gloom and doom" crew sabotages and undermines their own TC team. That would be one less competition for INA. Heck, don't stop at TC, go all the way to the Olympic too. Many INA/CHN fans will be eternally grateful. :p

Badadum, not all of us like that one, he he. I've had hard time explaining off line too that not all Msian are like that -> bad for business if others think all Msian are "gloom & doom" type.

Badmania, my friend, you're in naughty mood today, :p, kah, kah, kah. Btw, maybe you want to change the "substantial govern backing" part. It's 40% of BAM 2007 budget (and havent been paid by NSC to BAM). 60% came from sponsors, 2008 more will be from sponsors.

Oh yeah, Badmania, you not going back to Jakarta to watch, even short trip? Like go back kampung for you.



Limsy, dont be sad. If like that, Korea & Denmark never win TC before, more sad. Of course, Korea & Denmark won the elusive OG gold bf but not TC. Team event, tsk tsk, fail.
Then... Denmark shouldnt participate in TC & Uber, concentrate on OG, or send juniors, since wont win anyway ;)

Badmania, my friend, you're in naughty mood today, :p, kah, kah, kah. Btw, maybe you want to change the "substantial govern backing" part. It's 40% of BAM 2007 budget (and havent been paid by NSC to BAM). 60% came from sponsors, 2008 more will be from sponsors.

Oh yeah, Badmania, you not going back to Jakarta to watch, even short trip? Like go back kampung for you.


Well, I just want to re-emphasize the points that someone kept repeating many many times in many many threads (with the same tone over and over again)....yawn....:o

Nah...busy schedule and will be going to Taipei on the 19th, so, its out for me. I will be watching it in HKG instead :D

Well, I just want to re-emphasize the points that someone kept repeating many many times in many many threads (with the same tone over and over again)....yawn....:o

Nah...busy schedule and will be going to Taipei on the 19th, so, its out for me. I will be watching it in HKG instead :D

me knows, me knows, I also was/still is in the line of fire.

Watching on tv/online, we accompany one another watch :D:D.

but the issue now is LCW is beaten by Roslin. Do u think that Roslin is better than LCW's opponent in the upcomong TC? Maybe there is excuses but the fact is - LCW is beaten by a player in which, not in the same standard with him.

Maybe u can said it's Yap or Rexy or BAM'S tactics. Or maybe ppl will find alot of excuses of the defeat but one thing for sure, u cannot change the fact - Roslin win over LCW in the simulation game. That's all.

The fact is: upsets can happen in any game.

In that case, maybe u want to comment on Chen Jin's (World No 4) defeat to Chong Wei Feng like one of u mentioned here? It was a crucial match for the Chinese player (who was banking on winning the India Open to qualify for the Olympics). But, surprise surprise, the World No 4 player lost to a player that has not even won a senior title yet :o:cool:

Or, Bao Chunlai (World no 3) losing to Mohd Hafiz Hashim (World No 22) just a few weeks back at the Badminton Asia Championships and also lost to this same guy....Mohd Roslin Hashim (who is still ranked World No 23) in the HK Open 2007?

The fact is, the simulation match was not even a real competitive match to begin with....for God sake!

Not to forget, Mohd Roslin Hashim won the Vietnam Open GP last year (he's the only Malaysian MS player besides Lee Tsuen Tseng and LCW who won GP titles last year) and reached the QF of HK Open Super Series 2007 (by beating Lee Hyun Il and Bao Chunlai). He even pushed Lin Dan to 3 sets in the Japan Open 2007. So, Roslin still has the capability and skills of winning against top 10 players.

Even if LCW lost to Roslin in a competitive match, it's not going to be a big deal too...Roslin can sometimes have his lucky days (like the few matches in 2007).

Even the great Rafael Nadal just lost to a player whom everyone is thought to be over-the-hill in clay (after winning 2 straight titles)! No big deal for Nadal too...

Yawn....

Hmm..Very excited now,another two days to Thomas Cup...

Hmm..Very excited now,another two days to Thomas Cup...
yeah, damn exited for me 3, jess:)
come lets shout MALAYSIA BOLEH!!!:D:D:D

yeah, damn exited for me 3, jess:)
come lets shout MALAYSIA BOLEH!!!:D:D:D
Me too George..Rest assured,i will surely shout loudly to support our players..If we don't support our own country players,then i don't know what to say already.:rolleyes::rolleyes:;)

Limsy, dont be sad. If like that, Korea & Denmark never win TC before, more sad. Of course, Korea & Denmark won the elusive OG gold bf but not TC. Team event, tsk tsk, fail.
Then... Denmark shouldnt participate in TC & Uber, concentrate on OG, or send juniors, since wont win anyway ;)

no lar...i just wrote what i feel...not sad really...i am rasional...if we are good...i will say we are good...if we are weak...i will say we are weak too...i am realistic...^^...

hmm...thomas/uber cup...kb(kota bharu,kelantan,malaysia) have heavy rain for this days...scare cant see(astro)...

hmm...thomas/uber cup...kb(kota bharu,kelantan,malaysia) have heavy rain for this days...scare cant see(astro)...

u oso orang kelate? :eek: Roslin Boleh...!!! Hafiz Boleh...!!! Kelate Boleh...!!! :D jimbo Boleh...!!! :eek::p

It's okay u see...the Great Chen Jin HAS WON the World Junior Championships and the All-England title this year and managed to sneak into the Olympics! What a year for him this year! Whereas, 0 AE and WC for MAS no 1 player, Lee Chong Wei :D A big fat kosong man....

Gloom and doom for MAS's Thomas Cup campaign...and INA to lift the coveted trophy next Sunday :o:p;)

Hehe, where's this badmania v2.0 comes from? ;)

Maybe we should've simply watch the MAS "gloom and doom" crew sabotages and undermines their own TC team. That would be one less competition for INA. Heck, don't stop at TC, go all the way to the Olympic too. Many INA/CHN fans will be eternally grateful. :p

Spot on, fellas, spot on. ;):cool:

I think the Malaysian team might have done this on purpose to spread out the news that their TC main team are not in form. By doing this, they will make other country underestimate them, by thinking that the Malaysian team are not on form thus they will put their guard down.

Is not a bad idea to judge the player's form from simulation, so Lee Chong Wei was not at his best and hence the lost to Roslin. If Chong Wei play like simulation during the real Thomas Cup then he has no chance, that is the fact. However, if he play like what we expect him to perform then simulation game is just meant nothing and only few more days for us to find out as TC starts this Sunday.
Really no need to be so stress out before the actual event even occur :D

...what entertainment we've got here, with all the posts, to fill up these last couple of days before all the "real" actions commence....And above all, you all have entertained our dear Pemuda...:p ;)..

Yeah u r right. I'm pretty embarrassed about u being a Malaysian, a negative ones.

Reading your posts made me sick and this is my last time reply to your post.

(U don't have to reply on this)!

This is typical Malaysia Boleh syndrome i.e. throwing out their toys when they dont get things their way.

Bye bye.

hmm...u say roslin are nowhere near to ld right? in the first page...no lar...i usually taking note with equation...easier to remember...

You may want to check the rankings. Its pretty elementary maths actually.

hmm...in a match...both player will either win or lose...no others...so...if lcw didnt win...that not end of the world...just because people expect lcw have nearly 100% to win(or something like that)...but he still have a chance to lose...even it was a 0.0000001%...it still may happen...even ld cant say he is 100% will defeat roslin...if all better form player should win...so...those newcomers and those aged player no need to play lar???...if like that,uber cup should be stop lar???...because before battle we already knew china will won...that is incorrect...even one knew he may lose,they still play...to create a chance to win...that call sport...

Yes, in a badminton match, there is gonna be a winner and a loser. However, in a LCW vs Roslin, LCW is expected to win. It is the same as in a football match between say Man Utd vs Selangor, MU is expected to win. To take a more simple example so that simpletons across the universe can understand, if LD play against you, common sense will tell you LD is expected to win.

Dont confuse our TC team with the Uber Cup one, please. For our TC team, there are talks about us winning the cup while the Uber team is not expected to bring back the cup.

for attitude,the pd camp was for team building right???...then...it not about games...it is about the support from teammate off court...nothing relate to the result...just some of the player didnt morale support those whom playing...

I like it when Malaysia Boleh fans continue to find excuses for this 'tidak apa' attitude of our shuttlers and your "just some of the player didnt morale support those whom playing..." is a prime example of how sorryful we have become.

Hello! The shuttlers are representing our nation and this is no laughing matter. It is serious business. For them to take a tidak apa approach and not showing their support to their fellow shuttler is unacceptable. Whats the use of going to PD then?

if support are directly proportional to result...i think no player can win title at other strong badminton country lor...oh ya...lin dan 21-4 at korea open was a 'solid' proof...did all korean support lindan that time,but not lee hyun il???

LD lost to LHI in a competitive match. LCW lost to Roslin in a simulation match. Understand the difference? And if LCW have trouble beating Roslin in a simulation match, I dunno how is he gonna cope in a real match in Jakarta. In short the signs are there.

no offence...^^...

None taken, dude.

Time and Jakarta will tell. ;)

From another thread:

For the Record, BF does not allow any personal insults or attacks in any way. The discussion must be about the subject genre and related items only.

My view on simulation is that an opportunity (both physical and non-physical) is created with as close to the real competition conditions as possible for the players to get used to. A chance for them to give of their best as in the real competition.

As a matter of fact, if conditions (noises and actions) are created or 'simulated' to have two different camps to cheer their teams and to 'boo' the opposition as loudly as possible, so much the better. The noise decibel will even be better if it gets as close to what Istora Senayan is expected to produce, although this is difficult. Players will then not be shocked and unduly affected by the real conditions in the stadium.

Under such noisy and rousing conditions, the players are expected to play their hearts out unaffected, to play their best badminton possible. Because they are expected to play the real thing as they would in Jakarta.

So, if the report on the Malaysian simulation exercise is true, then the players have shortchanged themselves and their coaches. If LCW thought it alright to lose to 'old man' Roslin, then he is not true to himself and may well be punished for it in Jakarta when the real competition starts. :rolleyes:

My view on simulation is that an opportunity (both physical and non-physical) is created with as close to the real competition conditions as possible for the players to get used to. A chance for them to give of their best as in the real competition.

As a matter of fact, if conditions (noises and actions) are created or 'simulated' to have two different camps to cheer their teams and to 'boo' the opposition as loudly as possible, so much the better. The noise decibel will even be better if it gets as close to what Istora Senayan is expected to produce, although this is difficult. Players will then not be shocked and unduly affected by the real conditions in the stadium.

Under such noisy and rousing conditions, the players are expected to play their hearts out unaffected, to play their best badminton possible. Because they are expected to play the real thing as they would in Jakarta.

So, if the report on the Malaysian simulation exercise is true, then the players have shortchanged themselves and their coaches. If LCW thought it alright to lose to 'old man' Roslin, then he is not true to himself and may well be punished for it in Jakarta when the real competition starts. :rolleyes:

Uncle Loh

Are you in Jakarta yet enjoying the pampered lifestyle prepared for you by our well-connected hauge. I read somewhere (star.com maybe?) that the conditions that MAS team encountered in their simulation matches were far from the "Senayan hostility" that they were to face. From my point of view, it seemed like the simulation matches were a waste of time except for the rookies. I think the MAS team faces a sever uphill climb in the TC. The ladies however, with no pressure upon them, could do quite well. Let the games begin!!:D:D

Those who criticized about LCW's loss to Roslin should be slapping their own faces by now.

What about beating LD in 2 easy sets 21-12 21-14? Huh?

U know who u r? :rolleyes: Shame on u!

Form fluctuates, wait till the olympics.

The issue here is that our shuttlers took yesterday's session lightly. If our shuttlers take a tidak apa attitude in training, when it comes to the tournament proper, they are gonna be found out big time.


Before we celebrate LCW's victory over LD today, let us wake up to the fact that we are out of the TC. We were found out in the 2nd & 3rd MS while our 1st MD were outplayed. The fact that we gotta call upon a HH, a player who have let down the nation numerous times to clinch that crucial final point is kinda pathetic to say the least.

No point beating LD and then finding ourselves being packed out of the tournament. It is like winning a battle but losing the war.

To call for slapping of faces now is like spitting in the wind.

Yup dont celebrate too early..i still remember after lcw beats lin dan in sudirman cup he lost in world championship...so i do hope lcw can maintains his form and be more prepare in his game for olympic!good luck lcw!i know u can do it!

LD lost to LHI in a competitive match. LCW lost to Roslin in a simulation match. Understand the difference? And if LCW have trouble beating Roslin in a simulation match, I dunno how is he gonna cope in a real match in Jakarta. In short the signs are there The signs are there allright, just the doubter doesn't know how to translate it, judging on how easy it is for LCW to simply dispose of LD. :p

Yup dont celebrate too early..i still remember after lcw beats lin dan in sudirman cup he lost in world championship...so i do hope lcw can maintains his form and be more prepare in his game for olympic!good luck lcw!i know u can do it!

It wasnt about celebrating too early, read the preceding 6 pages, then you will understand robin7's post. And also post 109.

It was about LCW form, because he lost to Roslin in simulation match, he was bashed - some arguing here & there, some posts got deleted, a few non Msians (i.e. dont have vested interest to to support Msia players & are ardent supporters of their country's players) came up with their examples cos they got fed up with the negativity, since it was considered that LD will pack LCw up easily during TC.

So -> losing in simulation is no big deal, neither is winning in simulation.

Neither is (in my opinion) lost to China in TC & lost to Korea in Uber, a total waste of taxpayers $$$ (that too, 40% or less is taxpayers $$$, the rest is sponsors $$$) or gone down the gutter, in terms of the team building camp of building team spirit. :)

When it's the real tournament, the players, like during qualifiers in Feb, cheered for their team mates. Men's team cheered for the gals during Msia vs Japan. I didnt watch live today, not sure if the gals are still around in Jakarta to cheer for the guys.

The signs are there allright, just the doubter doesn't know how to translate it, judging on how easy it is for LCW to simply dispose of LD. :p


You'll better clarify that you're not a "Msia Boleh" fan who cant see the light (read = blind supporter, and that's a nicer term) ;)

It wasnt about celebrating too early, read the preceding 6 pages, then you will understand robin7's post. And also post 109.

It was about LCW form, because he lost to Roslin in simulation match, he was bashed - some arguing here & there, some posts got deleted, a few non Msians (i.e. dont have vested interest to to support Msia players & are ardent supporters of their country's players) came up with their examples cos they got fed up with the negativity, since it was considered that LD will pack LCw up easily during TC.

So -> losing in simulation is no big deal, neither is winning in simulation.

Neither is (in my opinion) lost to China in TC & lost to Korea in Uber, a total waste of taxpayers $$$ (that too, 40% or less is taxpayers $$$, the rest is sponsors $$$) or gone down the gutter, in terms of the team building camp of building team spirit. :)

When it's the real tournament, the players, like during qualifiers in Feb, cheered for their team mates. Men's team cheered for the gals during Msia vs Japan. I didnt watch live today, not sure if the gals are still around in Jakarta to cheer for the guys.

yup i know...i just want to remind some of us not to be too excited...even though many people said the lcw wont win against lin dan today but i believed in him!And now we can see how he can handle the pressure quite well too!I also think its quite normal for a player to lose for example lcw lost to roslin in the stimulation match, its not a big deal...maybe its just my opinion.. =)

We should learn from the Koreans. They are all serious business when they represent their nation. Whether it is a training or competition proper their approach is the same. In short, they do not take it lightly when it comes to national honours.

And no wonder the Koreans are streets ahead of us in terms of sporting excellence and even nation building.

Yes, LCW beat LD today. But to think that LCW has finally emerged as a serious contender is speaking a little too soon. In terms of head to head, LD is still ahead. In terms of titles won, LD is ahead by a mile.

We need to realised that we are out of the TC. Beating England, a 'revised' Korea and Japan is no big deal. For all the money being invested, it is poor returns when we gotta depend on a WCH and HH as 2nd & 3rd MS. And lets be clear, sponsor money is mainly from Proton. Proton is a GLC, so guess where the money comes from :rolleyes:

We know who jinxed the Malaysian team. Take it from me, go away.

We know who jinxed the Malaysian team. Take it from me, go away.

luckily the jinxed doesn't work on lcw...if not more issues to come:p:p

yup i know...i just want to remind some of us not to be too excited...even though many people said the lcw wont win against lin dan today but i believe in him!And now we can see how he can handle the pressure quite well too!I also think its quite normal for a player to lose for example lcw lost to roslin in the stimulation match its not a big deal...

I agree with you.

The last time Malaysia won the TC was in 92. And thats a little too long for a badminton nation like Malaysia.

I am watching the Korea vs Indo semifinal game now. And I admire the Koreans for their determination. They take representing their nation seriously, and I am sure their shuttlers wont dare to adopt a tidak apa attitude during training. It is no wonder the Koreans are successful in badminton and other sports as well.

I like what I saw in LCW today. He was hungry and determined to do well. Unfortunately, I cant say the same for WCH, KKK/TBH and HH. These shuttlers when they took to the court today did not demonstrate urgency or self confidence. WCH, simply gave up in the 2nd set. Maybe he was tired. KKK/TBH just didnt get into 3rd gear at all today while HH was the worst. Knowing his game was the deciding one, he strutted around the court with almost an easy going manner. MZ/MF, credit to them. They played with gusto and won.

Malaysian sports across the board have been on the downturn. Our football is a joke. We used to be great in hockey, now we cant even beat Belgium at home. We no longer exist in athletics despite our credible achievements in the 70s and 80s. Unless, we seriously address our mentality, we are going to continue to spiral down into the sewage.

China is in the TC final
Korea is leading Indonesia 2-0

Yes, LCW beat LD today. But to think that LCW has finally emerged as a serious contender is speaking a little too soon. In terms of head to head, LD is still ahead. In terms of titles won, LD is ahead by a mile.


And that's the point of thiss thread. A lot of people already jump out with their guns critizing the heck of LCW when he lost to Roslin in an TRAINING session. Questioning everything about him. And how does the poor chap respond? By defeating LD in straight set, no problemo.

So next time, be more positive and have more confident in your own player instead of critizing him in every single opportunity. He's the world #2 afterall.:p


Disclaimer: Not a "malaysian boleh", whatchawannacalled it fan......I bleed redandwhite INA :D.

we only good in squasy and bowling

And that's the point of thiss thread. A lot of people already jump out with their guns critizing the heck of LCW when he lost to Roslin in an TRAINING session. Questioning everything about him. And how does the poor chap respond? By defeating LD in straight set, no problemo.

So next time, be more positive and have more confident in your own player instead of critizing him in every single opportunity. He's the world #2 afterall.:p


Disclaimer: Not a "malaysian boleh", whatchawannacalled it fan......I bleed redandwhite INA :D.

LCW was representing the nation. I dont know about you. But to me, national colours are bread and butter issues. Whether it was a training session or not, as our 1st MS, LCW is expected to beat Roslin. Whether you are world #2 or #1, your country comes first.

Look at the Koreans, they are serious when it comes to their country. Look at how successful they are.

yup i know...i just want to remind some of us not to be too excited...even though many people said the lcw wont win against lin dan today but i believed in him!And now we can see how he can handle the pressure quite well too!I also think its quite normal for a player to lose for example lcw lost to roslin in the stimulation match, its not a big deal...maybe its just my opinion.. =)

Nahhh, who is getting excited ? Tommorow's media will focus on KKK/TBH's lost, more criticism will come, they will not be focusing on LCW's win over LD.

Look at all the fuss that was made here/bashing just because lcw lost to roslin in simulation.

The non Msians are laughing at the Msians for 'sabotaging own team' (as one non msian BCer puts it), imagine when they think most Msians are like that (the constant negativity) -> and they do think most Msians are criticial.
It spills over to other things in real life, makes it hard for the rest of us.:rolleyes:

LCW was representing the nation. I dont know about you. But to me, national colours are bread and butter issues. Whether it was a training session or not, as our 1st MS, LCW is expected to beat Roslin. Whether you are world #2 or #1, your country comes first.


Its easy for someone to critize, especially when they know nothing about the situation the other person is in and only look at the negative.
Besides, afterall that negativity, tell me how does LCW perform in TC? Simple, he beat someone that the doubter in this thread said he wouldn't stand a chance, by straight set!

Its easy for someone to critize, especially when they know nothing about the situation the other person is in and only look at the negative.
Besides, afterall that negativity, tell me how does LCW perform in TC? Simple, he beat someone that the doubter in this thread said he wouldn't stand a chance, by straight set!

If this TC campaign is about LCW proving to someone who doubted his chances, then I am sorry to say you miss the entire thing by a mile.

Clearly, LCW will go on to win many more. Thrashing LD is just the tonic - and what a time to show his best. Yes, if I have to take something positive from this TC, it surely has to be his huge win. Go on LCW and wreck havoc !

I saw LD looking sullen even after his team's win. He knows nothing can erase this humiliation by LCW. Life certainly gets better every day for LCW.

Nahhh, who is getting excited ? Tommorow's media will focus on KKK/TBH's lost, more criticism will come, they will not be focusing on LCW's win over LD.

Look at all the fuss that was made here/bashing just because lcw lost to roslin in simulation.

The non Msians are laughing at the Msians for 'sabotaging own team' (as one non msian BCer puts it), imagine when they think most Msians are like that (the constant negativity) -> and they do think most Msians are criticial.
It spills over to other things in real life, makes it hard for the rest of us.:rolleyes:

yeah..the media always like that.....when we lost or won there are always new issues that they would like to bring up...just like some of the malaysian..=__________=''

Clearly, LCW will go on to win many more. Thrashing LD is just the tonic - and what a time to show his best. Yes, if I have to take something positive from this TC, it surely has to be his huge win. Go on LCW and wreck havoc !

I saw LD looking sullen even after his team's win. He knows nothing can erase this humiliation by LCW. Life certainly gets better every day for LCW.


Wait a min, Xball, you're not at the stadium with the rest of the BC gang to watch Indonesia vs Korea kah? Or it got too tense, you not watching,just listening to the score? he he :D:D

If this TC campaign is about LCW proving to someone who doubted his chances, then I am sorry to say you miss the entire thing by a mile.

This thread is about some people acting like LCW has no chance against LD just because he lost to Roslin in a Training session, and LCW has simply proved them wrong.
Where on earth did you come up with the TC campaign stuff???

Wait a min, Xball, you're not at the stadium with the rest of the BC gang to watch Indonesia vs Korea kah? Or it got too tense, you not watching,just listening to the score? he he :D:D

I was there when they beat Japan. Now I am back in KL watching TV:( -- biz demands. I am glad I don't have to face KKK-TBH, it would spoil my day.:D No, truely, they did their best -- to me they are still 'short of their best'. Maybe in the Olympics, they would fulfil my prediction of 2 GOLDS (one from LCW of course) and would rub it in for 'you-know-who'.

Clearly, LCW will go on to win many more. Thrashing LD is just the tonic - and what a time to show his best. Yes, if I have to take something positive from this TC, it surely has to be his huge win. Go on LCW and wreck havoc !

I saw LD looking sullen even after his team's win. He knows nothing can erase this humiliation by LCW. Life certainly gets better every day for LCW.

LCW finally wins one against LD after a long drought... and he's gonna be dominating future tournaments... thats pretty extreme utopian thinking.
LD will be back, and a lot stronger...

hmm...i dont know why...why human are so greedy???...when lost to roslin...blame lar...critic lar...all sort of things coming up...just like the world ended...when win lin dan...saying win over lin dan is nothing...then wanting thomas cup victory...olympic victory...hmm...as lin dan say...think one match at one time...u win previous game didnt mean u will win again...all match start from 0-0...not 11-0 or anything like that...so...lost previous match didnt mean u lost all the match after this...winning previous match doesnt mean u win all the remain UNTIL U RETIRED...naive...

hmm...i dont know why...why human are so greedy???...when lost to roslin...blame lar...critic lar...all sort of things coming up...just like the world ended...when win lin dan...saying win over lin dan is nothing...then wanting thomas cup victory...olympic victory...hmm...as lin dan say...think one match at one time...u win previous game didnt mean u will win again...all match start from 0-0...not 11-0 or anything like that...so...lost previous match didnt mean u lost all the match after this...winning previous match doesnt mean u win all the remain UNTIL U RETIRED...naive...
but im scared that LCW will lose in OG cause normally they will alternate win between each other....

but im scared that LCW will lose in OG cause normally they will alternate win between each other....

lin dan lost today because of pressure...he cant open his mind...this = cant deliver in OG...

lin dan lost today because of pressure...he cant open his mind...this = cant deliver in OG...
but LCW should do this during OG.............TC is not that prestige........i think misbun have an idea during OG:D:D:D

but LCW should do this during OG.............TC is not that prestige........i think misbun have an idea during OG:D:D:D

nope...in this TC...lin dan was lcw opponent...in OG...lin dan is the whole world opponent...included himself...lcw should and must beat him in TC...but for OG...they will meat if and only if they reach final...so...lin dan are everybody target...so as lcw...but...lin dan is in china...the pressure should be higher than TC...because on paper...lin dan lose mean the end of china tc team as their double will lost...so...there is pressure...but the pressure in OG was comfirm higher...i dont think lcw will be the one will have a chance to beating lin dan(because i dont think they will meet,lin dan will bow out earlier...)

This thread is about some people acting like LCW has no chance against LD just because he lost to Roslin in a Training session, and LCW has simply proved them wrong.
Where on earth did you come up with the TC campaign stuff???

"Besides, afterall that negativity, tell me how does LCW perform in TC? Simple, he beat someone that the doubter in this thread said he wouldn't stand a chance, by straight set!"

Not taking anything away from LCW, the lad played brilliantly against LD yesterday. And I hope the win will spur LCW to win that OG in Beijing. However, we have to acknowledge that LD is still the top dog in MS. And to put things in perspectives, when LCW beat LD yesterday, LCW earned Msia 1 point. When LD last beat LCW in the SO final this year with a score of 21-13, 21-18, LD won the SO title.

And to put things in perspectives, when LCW beat LD yesterday, LCW earned Msia 1 point. When LD last beat LCW in the SO final this year with a score of 21-13, 21-18, LD won the SO title.No, you're missing the point. When his country needed him to be at his best, LCW came out firing and took the fight to the top player in the world. That's how you take the lead for your team like a man whereas Lin Dan was left to depend on his teammates to bail him out.

No, you're missing the point. When his country needed him to be at his best, LCW came out firing and took the fight to the top player in the world. That's how you take the lead for your team like a man whereas Lin Dan was left to depend on his teammates to bail him out.

Agree, no doubt LCW delivered for Msia yesterday.
But what I meant was on the head to head with LD, LCW still got some catching up to do.

Lin Dan losing was not a big deal to the CHN team ... it would have been nice if he won over LCW for sure. Tremendous, in fact. But with

MS2 - Bao Chun Lai
MD1 and MD2

all fully capable of sustaining Lin Dan losing, CHN has a comfortable security blanket even if Lin Dan lost.

Thank god LCW won.

Lin Dan, it's been noted, performs poorly in team events (Thomas Cup), and inexplicably in Olympic Games, as the atmosphere of the OG is a little different for other badminton series. CHN has athletes in the swimming pool, gymnastics, all bringing back gold, silver, bronze, and so Lin Dan has to be aware of the team-like nature of the Olympics.

LCW winning MS1 is like a car with a great engine, but the transmission (gear box), tires and wheels all failing to move the whole car (MAS) forward to the finish line.

-dave

same thot, dave. LYB rather see young CJ and runner-up specialist bcl get the much needed pressure experience in preparation for the OG. To china/LYB, it doesn't matter what color is the cat, as long as one of them catch the gold. All 3, cj, bcl and ld, have equal ability to win the MS gold.

I know that LD hasn't performed well before in team events but still I would consider him as the favorite for OG -- correlation does not imply causation. For China, CJ is the next best bet even though BCL is ranked higher. BCL = runner-up always -- very talented but no killer instinct. I think his job is to clear the path for his fellow teammates.