3-2 win from thailand ? Anybody watching live those matches can give comments ?

Thailand WON?!!?!
HOW IT HAPPENED??!?!?!

No, Indonesia won 3-2.

But it is shocking to see Sony and Taufik losing their Singles matches!! :eek:

Thailand WON?!!?!
HOW IT HAPPENED??!?!?!

No lah. Indonesia won 3-2. Sony K & Taufik lost. Kido/Setiawan, Joko/Hendra, Simon S saved the day. The young Tonongsak managed to beat Taufik in straight sets, surprising indeed.
If Thailand have another MS like Boonsak..... tie could have been to Thailand.

I watch live, what a "unforce error" TEAM (INDONESIA) :(

INDONESIA with the no. 1 Squad againts Thailand who already playing this morning againts Germany

Target of INA is 5-0 win due to Thai Physic maybe allready used previous hours againts Germany (THAI win 3-2)

#1 Man Single 0:1
Sony Dwi Kuncoro Vs Bonsak Ponsana
"great play" Bonsak VS "Creepy" Sony, he is absolutely on Pressure, many unforced ERROR made,

#2 Man Doubles 1:1
Markis KIdo/Hendra Setyawan Vs ?????????
absolutely perfect mission done by No.1 BWF pair, Great JOB!!!! CONGRATZ :)

#3 Man Single 1:2
Taufik Vs #90 rank
what the heck taufik just done:( no smash!!! no spirit
GREAT young gun of THAI :) congratz to THAI

#4 Man Double 2:2
JOKO/HENDRA Vs Sudket Prapakamol/????
we know how great sudked in XD so I affraid JOKO/HENDRA will b defeated, but many unforce ERROR from THAI give INA balancing score on a rubber game

#5 Man Single 3:2
Simon Santoso Vs #102 Rank
very calm of Simon, Great Play but still some unfrced ERROR, but yah INA win, :)


many people here exactly surprise with Taufik lost, its OK for Sony, its still same level of player,
but Taufik? speechless for him, :(

Congratz to THAI, be the #2 as their target!!! YOU ARE GREAT and SPIRIT-UP TEAM

Its ok to have a near blunder this early. As long as it is not during the crucial stages.

It's easy to say now that it's over.

Had they lost, they would probably be facing China in the QF!

by winning this tie, INA wil be the no.1 in group D (except any miracle, germany beat INA 4-1 tomorrow on 06.00 GMT)

so in QF INA will face (winner GroupB 2 Vs GroupC 3-----> should be MAS or KOR)
if play againts MAS ina will b defeated 4-1, (only win on 1st MD--> I think)
if play againts KOR, INA will b lost 3-2, by looking at the INA squad againts THAI :( ITS OVER now for INA,
sorry to say this,

by winning this tie, INA wil be the no.1 in group D (except any miracle, germany beat INA 4-1 tomorrow on 06.00 GMT)

so in QF INA will face (winner GroupB 2 Vs GroupC 3-----> should be MAS or KOR)
if play againts MAS ina will b defeated 4-1, (only win on 1st MD--> I think)
if play againts KOR, INA will b lost 3-2, by looking at the INA squad againts THAI :( ITS OVER now for INA,
sorry to say this,

not over...the match would be a good therapy to SDK and friends under pressure and nervous play in home ground before they are in real "knock out" matches....lets see and support them...ayooo optimis brother... :D

anyway...congret for INA uber cup squad...well done...INDONESIA BISA DAN PASTI BISA...hehehe.:D:D:D

i think taufik didn't put enough attacking pressure. he obviously could totally own the front line if he had pushed the guy standing a lil further. he should have done more smash and fast drill, but who knows perhaps he wasnt in his comfort zone to do that. i feel that taufik was being forced to do back hand lift quite few times which ended up losing his opportunity to attack or at least put his opponent under pressure. if he really wants to win the cup, he better do something different coz it ain't gonna be that smooth with malay and china.

as with sony... i must say boon was playing great defence and was very2 consistent, and unfortunately sony was at the other end tonight. i heard IBF still questioning whether they gonna take sony out in the next game or keeping him. and i think they did a quick interview with sony which was admitting that he cant focus on the game tonight for some reason.

overall, many unforced errors... far too many.

by winning this tie, INA wil be the no.1 in group D (except any miracle, germany beat INA 4-1 tomorrow on 06.00 GMT)

so in QF INA will face (winner GroupB 2 Vs GroupC 3-----> should be MAS or KOR)
if play againts MAS ina will b defeated 4-1, (only win on 1st MD--> I think)
if play againts KOR, INA will b lost 3-2, by looking at the INA squad againts THAI :( ITS OVER now for INA,
sorry to say this,

I see where you're coming from but don't be too dispirited. They always have a rousing encounter with MAS and that could go either way. I see them having more problems with KOR who have 2 strong MS and 2 incredibly strong MD. BTW, Sony's defeat by Boonsak should come as no surprise to anyone. Was a new star born in Tanongsak?

by winning this tie, INA wil be the no.1 in group D (except any miracle, germany beat INA 4-1 tomorrow on 06.00 GMT)

so in QF INA will face (winner GroupB 2 Vs GroupC 3-----> should be MAS or KOR)
if play againts MAS ina will b defeated 4-1, (only win on 1st MD--> I think)
if play againts KOR, INA will b lost 3-2, by looking at the INA squad againts THAI :( ITS OVER now for INA,
sorry to say this,

Over for INA?? Please... MAS/KOR vs INA will mean 2 win from MS for INA :), just need to get 1pt from the MD.
The only bad thing is having to wait for Wednesday for some the fireworks to begin. :o

Over for INA?? Please... MAS/KOR vs INA will mean 2 win from MS for INA :), just need to get 1pt from the MD.
The only bad thing is having to wait for Wednesday for some the fireworks to begin. :o

I hope you won't regret that statement ;):)

#3 Man Single 1:2
Taufik Vs #90 rank
what the heck taufik just done:( no smash!!! no spirit
GREAT young gun of THAI :) congratz to THAI


sneaky taufik, he dont want to show his card to china, saving his best tricks for the big final exam, the OG:D;)

Taufik does't perform well in team event usually. I wouldn't rely heavily on him to deliver crucial point for INA team.

No, Indonesia won 3-2.

But it is shocking to see Sony and Taufik losing their Singles matches!! :eek:
..it was shocking to see, not Sony's lost, but Taufik's lost to an unknown...and in straight sets....On the other hand, i was surprised, not "shocked", to see Joko and Hendra gutting and pulling out a crucial win in their match, esp. after losing the 1st game. I had thought it was probably over for them, when BC and tournamentsoftware.com died, so i wasn't able to follow the rest of the actions.:p
No lah. Indonesia won 3-2. Sony K & Taufik lost. Kido/Setiawan, Joko/Hendra, Simon S saved the day. The young Tonongsak managed to beat Taufik in straight sets, surprising indeed.
If Thailand have another MS like Boonsak..... tie could have been to Thailand.
I think the thumbs up should go to Joko & Hendra..IMO, they were the heroes of the day; and to Simon for clinching it.
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#3 Man Single 1:2
Taufik Vs #90 rank
what the heck taufik just done:( no smash!!! no spirit
GREAT young gun of THAI :) congratz to THAI
...
many people here exactly surprise with Taufik lost, its OK for Sony, its still same level of player,
but Taufik? speechless for him, :(

Congratz to THAI, be the #2 as their target!!! YOU ARE GREAT and SPIRIT-UP TEAM
..i only saw a few glimpse of the actions on the livestream and i was speechless too, after Taufik lost...
by winning this tie, INA wil be the no.1 in group D (except any miracle, germany beat INA 4-1 tomorrow on 06.00 GMT)

so in QF INA will face (winner GroupB 2 Vs GroupC 3-----> should be MAS or KOR)
if play againts MAS ina will b defeated 4-1, (only win on 1st MD--> I think)
if play againts KOR, INA will b lost 3-2, by looking at the INA squad againts THAI :( ITS OVER now for INA,
sorry to say this,
..the INA TC squad will most likely win their group but if they come and play with the same kind of attitude and urgency in the QF or SF round, as they showed in their group's tie vs. THA, they will be rolled over...:p
i think taufik didn't put enough attacking pressure. he obviously could totally own the front line if he had pushed the guy standing a lil further. he should have done more smash and fast drill, but who knows perhaps he wasnt in his comfort zone to do that. i feel that taufik was being forced to do back hand lift quite few times which ended up losing his opportunity to attack or at least put his opponent under pressure. if he really wants to win the cup, he better do something different coz it ain't gonna be that smooth with malay and china.

as with sony... i must say boon was playing great defence and was very2 consistent, and unfortunately sony was at the other end tonight. i heard IBF still questioning whether they gonna take sony out in the next game or keeping him. and i think they did a quick interview with sony which was admitting that he cant focus on the game tonight for some reason.

overall, many unforced errors... far too many.
..this might be his first encounter with the unknown THA, but for Taufik, the only possible reason for his disappointing performance is his lack of training..:p
I see where you're coming from but don't be too dispirited. They always have a rousing encounter with MAS and that could go either way. I see them having more problems with KOR who have 2 strong MS and 2 incredibly strong MD. BTW, Sony's defeat by Boonsak should come as no surprise to anyone. Was a new star born in Tanongsak?
..so far Tanongsak has won 2 of his matches. We'll see if Tanongsak can duplicate his performance in his next match.
Taufik does't perform well in team event usually. I wouldn't rely heavily on him to deliver crucial point for INA team.
..his match y'day could've been the crucial one, if not for his 2, maybe 3, younger teammates;)

sneaky taufik, he dont want to show his card to china, saving his best tricks for the big final exam, the OG:D;)
ONLY the die hard TF fans were to believe this:D TH is already past his prime, with this kinda form, he can be easily thrashed during the early round in OG08:rolleyes:

ONLY the die hard TF fans were to believe this:D TH is already past his prime, with this kinda form, he can be easily thrashed during the early round in OG08:rolleyes:

Yeah, but show me a player who'd like to meet him in the early rounds. He still has that mystique about him, although it's starting to fade somewhat.

Yeah, but show me a player who'd like to meet him in the early rounds. He still has that mystique about him, although it's starting to fade somewhat.
To beat TH, a very simple rules.. He must be a very tall player.:D
NTM, Anup, Tanongsak, Wacha... plenty on them on the cards.;)

sneaky taufik, he dont want to show his card to china, saving his best tricks for the big final exam, the OG:D;)
ONLY the die hard TF fans were to believe this:D TH is already past his prime, with this kinda form, he can be easily thrashed during the early round in OG08:rolleyes:
Yeah, but show me a player who'd like to meet him in the early rounds. He still has that mystique about him, although it's starting to fade somewhat.
To beat TH, a very simple rules.. He must be a very tall player.:D
NTM, Anup, Tanongsak, Wacha... plenty on them on the cards.;)
..cooler likes to tease about Taufik and his fans lah..:p

Simple reason why Taufik lost: he probably didn't train much at all, if any. Typical him lah..:p

To beat TH, a very simple rules.. He must be a very tall player.:D
NTM, Anup, Tanongsak, Wacha... plenty on them on the cards.;)

Err... Bao, Hafiz ;);):D:D

My god...Uber is doing better than Thomas much better....Pathetic!! THis is because we Indonesians never show appreciation to our athletes...This all our fault..now dat traitor Rexy is jumping up and down laughing at us.....

My god...Uber is doing better than Thomas much better....Pathetic!! THis is because we Indonesians never show appreciation to our athletes...This all our fault..now dat traitor Rexy is jumping up and down laughing at us.....One more word from him I burn his house in Jakarta!

I doubt he's doing that. He's got more important things to attend to :rolleyes:

Rexy will run his big mouth again tomorrow....I just wanna burn his house in Jakarta....

just manage to sneak into BC...i cant connected yesterday...T.T...

My god...Uber is doing better than Thomas much better....Pathetic!! THis is because we Indonesians never show appreciation to our athletes...This all our fault..now dat traitor Rexy is jumping up and down laughing at us.....

Vice President Jusuf Kalla visited Uber Cup Team a day before, President SBY visit INA Team in WorldCup 2007 While he was on Journey on Presidential Meeting,
Youth and Sport Ministry always attend INA game on SEA GAMES and World CUP,
INA gives athlete bonus 200 Milion RP, inn SEa GAMES, and will gine another Bonus for THOMA UBER cup wib,
YOUr statement absolutely non sense :)

OK no more desprete!!!!!! GO INDONESIAAAAAA, I'm INDONESIAN, I LOVE INDONESIA

SPIRIT-UP!!

Vice President Jusuf Kalla visited Uber Cup Team a day before, President SBY visit INA Team in WorldCup 2007 While he was on Journey on Presidential Meeting,
Youth and Sport Ministry always attend INA game on SEA GAMES and World CUP,
INA gives athlete bonus 200 Milion RP, inn SEa GAMES, and will gine another Bonus for THOMA UBER cup wib,
YOUr statement absolutely non sense :)

OK no more desprete!!!!!! GO INDONESIAAAAAA, I'm INDONESIAN, I LOVE INDONESIA

SPIRIT-UP!!

Ya but look at the stupid media attention....there is a talk show about Uber and Thomas Cup and they pay more attention to the stupid celebrity and the Samsung Olympic torch bearer thing...chosing Luna Maya over Candra Wijaya?????!!!! Absoloutely stupid and silly of us Indonesians...shame on us...I mean not us we show appreciation but voters???? Come on wat has Luna Maya give to Indonesia???? nothing but shame...Masayu???? She is fit and everything but she only bring us shame......I love Indonesia more than anything.....I hate it to see Malaysia making fun of us taking our cultures and now they are on the verge of beating us in Thomas Cup!!! And one more thing...has the big companies ever contribute to badminton??? The answer is NO!!! Do we search for talent??? No!! We are idiots who wait for talent!!! talent doesn't come to us....we have to stop sucking our fingers and get it sorted.....How many more times do we have to see Malaysia laughing at us!!??? and that Rexy....I bet he is going to make comments about how silly we are almost losing to Thailand!!! I am furious!!!! Frustrated and I dunno how to respond....Come on Indonesia wake up!!!! Indonesian celeb is the root of all these problems.......We Indonesians have to get it right!!! We have to wake up...is national awakening come on!!!!! and Taufik...if he is not gonna play properly just let him go and start from scratch again...AYO INDONESIA BANGUN JANGAN TIDUR!!!!

Come on Indonesia....this is our home ground! This is where we belong! Show the Malaysian team that they should NEVER EVER underestimate us! Show Rexy that he should never run his mouth.....Shut him up!

Tanongsak played really well....for sure he is future of super star..also some pressures on INA team which is good I think..
Thai team played well...they had nothing to lose attitude..Sony got boed when he lost to Boonsak...The crowd were cruel too....great atmosphere...

Rexy will run his big mouth again tomorrow....I just wanna burn his house in Jakarta....
:p :eek:...*gasp*...:eek:...Does he deserve that kind of treatment, joking or not??...:confused: :(

:p :eek:...*gasp*...:eek:...Does he deserve that kind of treatment, joking or not??...:confused: :(

well he is an ex-Indonesian...he is no more Indonesian shame on him

well he is an ex-Indonesian...he is no more Indonesian shame on him
He is a professional coach....be kind to him....;)

Tanongsak played really well....for sure he is future of super star..also some pressures on INA team which is good I think..
Thai team played well...they had nothing to lose attitude..Sony got boed when he lost to Boonsak...The crowd were cruel too....great atmosphere...
..how old is Tanongsak, btw?? I saw him briefly playing against Taufik, but the livestream was quite blurred.:p He's tall and a lefty, correct??..
Btw, you must've been quite nervous, eh, watching the 2nd MD match?? Imagine if Joko & Hendra would've lost their match...:p :);)

He is a professional coach....be kind to him....;)

But commenting on his own nation??????? Is he kind to INA????? I am not trying to argue with a fellow Indonesian but still the comments he made is not acceptable...it should be published in the news all over INA to show how much of a traitor this guy is...I mean I have no problem with Tony Gunawan although he played for other country cos Tony never makes remark like this

..how old is Tanongsak, btw?? I saw him briefly playing against Taufik, but the livestream was quite blurred.:p He's tall and a lefty, correct??..
Btw, you must've been quite nervous, eh, watching the 2nd MD match?? Imagine if Joko & Hendra would've lost their match...:p :);)
I think Tanongsak is 17 or 18..he is not that tall...his smashes are explosive...love watching him...

Yes..everybody was nervous as Hendra AG did not play relax due to nervousness....we yelled at him to play relax...they did well...

I lost my voice.....still now:(

But commenting on his own nation??????? Is he kind to INA????? I am not trying to argue with a fellow Indonesian but still the comments he made is not acceptable...it should be published in the news all over INA to show how much of a traitor this guy is...I mean I have no problem with Tony Gunawan although he played for other country cos Tony never makes remark like this
Actually it is good that he critisize INA team to give us more spirit to prove him wrong....;)

I think Tanongsak is 17 or 18..he is not that tall...his smashes are explosive...love watching him...

Yes..everybody was nervous as Hendra AG did not play relax due to nervousness....we yelled at him to play relax...they did well...

I lost my voice.....still now:(
..17/18 yrs young...I gotta see him play!..How does his style of play remind you of?? Any player(s) in particular??..:cool:

Hehehe, nervous, eh??..;)..Good experience for Hendra & Joko, though..:cool:
You lost your voice already??:eek:...Hau-ge, it's still the 1st day of actions!:D How are you going to cheer for the remainder of the event??..You'll probably have to do with sign language come Friday for the BC get-together...:p :);)

..17/18 yrs young...I gotta see him play!..How does his style of play remind you of?? Any player(s) in particular??..:cool:

Hehehe, nervous, eh??..;)..Good experience for him & Joko, though..:cool:
You lost your voice already??:eek:...Hau-ge, it's still the 1st day of actions!:D How are you going to cheer for the remainder of the event??..You'll probably have to do with sign language come Friday for the BC get-together...:p :);)
haha....most of them made fun of me...especially cheering for Uber Cup....
Tanongsak reminds me abit of Yang Yang....his smashes, his footwork...

haha....most of them made fun of me...especially cheering for Uber Cup....
Tanongsak reminds me abit of Yang Yang....his smashes, his footwork...
...must keep an eye on him. Hope the THA badminton association will send him to more international tourneys.:cool:

Who were the ones "making fun of you"??..the players??..:) :p;)

...must keep an eye on him. Hope the THA badminton association will send him to more international tourneys.:cool:

Who were the ones "making fun of you"??..the players??..:) :p;)
Yeah.....especially Nova and Sony...they said that I lost my voice after cheering USA..hehe..Elizabeth latief was in tears after INA won..Susy was nevous ....

Yeah.....especially Nova and Sony...they said that I lost my voice after cheering USA..hehe..Elizabeth latief was in tears after INA won..Susy was nevous ....
:p...after hearing you cheering for the USA's UC squad, now it's the USA's UC squad to return the favor and cheer the INA UC squad...after all, you lost your voice already...hehe:p :);)
Off topic: I've read news/rumors about Susy taking a coaching helm for the INA Women players dept. after this UC. Is this true??..

Back to the INA's TC squad's opening performance. What really happened with Sony and esp. Taufik? From your perspective and maybe his teammates or people who watched with you?? Mind sharing?? thx..:cool:

:p...after hearing you cheering for the USA UC squad, now it's the USA's UC squad to return the favor and cheer the INA UC squad...after all, you lost your voice already...hehe:p :);)
Off topic: I've read news/rumors about Susy taking a coaching helm for the INA Women players dept. after this UC. Is this true??..

Back to the INA TC squad's opening performance, what really happened with Sony and esp. Taufik. From your perspective and maybe his teammates or people who watched with you?? Mind sharing?? thx..:cool:

Its is not true that Susy will be coaching INA women.
Our raphael thought that she might play again and also not true.

Sony admitted that Boonsak did anticipate his play and Sont went blank on 2nd set...I think it is pressure...if you do not play well..crowd booed you...
TH is another case...he did not train well....so do not hope on TH's chances on coming Olympics..;)

Its is not true that Susy will be coaching INA women.
Our raphael thought that she might play again and also not true.

Sony admitted that Boonsak did anticipate his play and Sont went blank on 2nd set...I think it is pressure...if you do not play well..crowd booed you...
TH is another case...he did not train well....so do not hope on TH's chances on coming Olympics..;)

So many times the crowd can be your ally or nemesis. When you're plating well, the crowd is behind you. When you're not, they can turn on you. Then the pressure starts to build... and I suppose that's when Sony's mind went blank.

..how old is Tanongsak, btw?? I saw him briefly playing against Taufik, but the livestream was quite blurred.:p He's tall and a lefty, correct??..


That one you is right, I couldnt even see the score or the player's face. After a while, gave up, hurt the eyes :D

If INA (esp Taufik and Sony) did not buck up, I think CHN will slaughter them:eek:. Taufik is overhype and Sony could not handle the tremendous pressure in front of INA fans. The result is kind of dissapointing for those INA fans and I hope INA team will bounce back strongly to enroute to Final...

Buck up, Taufik... :mad:

In that case, TH shouldn't bother attending and should give the chance to Simon. ;)


TH is another case...he did not train well....so do not hope on TH's chances on coming Olympics..;)

My opinion is INA is putting its hope on the 2 MDs and Simon. Sony and TH are just place holders. :D

If INA (esp Taufik and Sony) did not buck up, I think CHN will slaughter them:eek:. Taufik is overhype and Sony could not handle the tremendous pressure in front of INA fans. The result is kind of dissapointing for those INA fans and I hope INA team will bounce back strongly to enroute to Final...

Buck up, Taufik... :mad:

In that case, TH shouldn't bother attending and should give the chance to Simon. ;)

May be Taufik cant wait to go holiday in bali? :eek::D

My opinion is INA is putting its hope on the 2 MDs and Simon. Sony and TH are just place holders. :D

If Taufik is only here to get media attention he should just hang his racket...just let tommy play

Seriously. Tommy is not good enough.

Remember TH in 2006? He lost all his matches, but since he is 1st MS, Sony and Simon faced weaker opponents.

This time, I think the best strategy for INA is not to put any hope in Sony and TH. Of course the hope would be that Sony, without much pressure, can bring some surprise.

Also my conjecture is that Simon will be a better player than Sony in 1 year. :cool:

If Taufik is only here to get media attention he should just hang his racket...just let tommy play

Seriously. Tommy is not good enough.

Remember TH in 2006? He lost all his matches, but since he is 1st MS, Sony and Simon faced weaker opponents.

This time, I think the best strategy for INA is not to put any hope in Sony and TH. Of course the hope would be that Sony, without much pressure, can bring some surprise.

Also my conjecture is that Simon will be a better player than Sony in 1 year. :cool:

Hopefully and I think as a punishment we should field Simon and Sony in Olympics rather than that celebrity wanna be Taufik Hidayat getting sick of him being lazy now

...
Also my conjecture is that Simon will be a better player than Sony in 1 year. :cool:
..he hasn't moved up past Sony in what, 2-3 yrs, or maybe even more, so what makes you think he'll surpass Sony in 1 yr??..:confused: :p..or maybe wait til Taufik officially quit Pelatnas, then Simon will have a chance??..:p

luckily they didnt disappointed their home fans..

Simon is still young. Just 22 right now. He doesn't seem to be the "talented kid" kind but I seriously think he has been improving since 2004, especially from early 2007. It's not that hard to be better than Sony right? I am not saying Simon will reach the same level as TH in 04/05.

I have to admit I like Simon's style much more than Sony's style. ;)

..he hasn't moved up past Sony in what, 2-3 yrs, or maybe even more, so what makes you think he'll surpass Sony in 1 yr??..:confused: :p..or maybe wait til Taufik officially quit Pelatnas, then Simon will have a chance??..:p

Hopefully and I think as a punishment we should field Simon and Sony in Olympics rather than that celebrity wanna be Taufik Hidayat getting sick of him being lazy now

Was Taufik really that bad yesterday against Tanongsak?

But it is good to see Joko/Hendra AG and Simon having enough maturity to retake control

i think the INA thomas cup team are under a lot of pressure..

Simon is still young. Just 22 right now. He doesn't seem to be the "talented kid" kind but I seriously think he has been improving since 2004, especially from early 2007. It's not that hard to be better than Sony right? I am not saying Simon will reach the same level as TH in 04/05.

I have to admit I like Simon's style much more than Sony's style. ;)
..give him the benefit of a doubt, simply because of his age, and give him a couple more yrs. A couple of his coaches, which i talked to before, including coach Mulyo, had said that his skills/techniques are similar to Taufik. However, it's the game "upstairs", which is lacking; maybe even his confidence level.
I'll say, the most he can go up to is maybe to Sony's level. If he's truly better than Sony, he would already surpassed him by now, as INA's 2nd MS..;)

..give him the benefit of a doubt, simply because of his age, and give him a couple more yrs. A couple of his coaches, which i talked to before, including coach Mulyo, had said that his skills/techniques are similar to Taufik. However, it's the game "upstairs", which is lacking; maybe even his confidence level.
I'll say, the most he can go up to is maybe to Sony's level. If he's truly better than Sony, he would already surpassed him by now, as INA's 2nd MS..;)

1 thing INA is full of corruption this is why we are being looked down in the badminton world

Well, at least the women have outperformed. Beating JPN 4-1 is no mean feat, could have been 5-0 if Maria's nerves held firm. Big chance to become group champs and easier path to semifinals.

Well, at least the women have outperformed. Beating JPN 4-1 is no mean feat, could have been 5-0 if Maria's nerves held firm. Big chance to become group champs and easier path to semifinals.

Big deal even Holland can beat Japan

Big deal even Holland can beat Japan

I suspect after yesterday's defeat to INA, JPN "played" to finish 3rd, ensuring an easier passage. The loser of INA v NED has CHn in its path. So that was a BIG DEAL... for JPN

I suspect after yesterday's defeat to INA, JPN "played" to finish 3rd, ensuring an easier passage. The loser of INA v NED has CHn in its path. So that was a BIG DEAL... for JPN

Agree. INA now can't afford to lose to NED.

Agree. INA now can't afford to lose to NED.

Yup, that's right. That's why I have my PAW on INA. The crowd won't let them lose, trust me ;):D

Anyone who counts out TH is stupid. That's all.

Anyone who counts out TH is stupid. That's all.

Care to explain? ;)

Yup, that's right. That's why I have my PAW on INA. The crowd won't let them lose, trust me ;):D

U better be right, I got my PAW in based on your judgement.

I agree.

But, anyone who always counts in TH is dreaming. :D

Anyone who counts out TH is stupid. That's all.

Care to explain? ;)
Because TH is unpredictable.
Perhaps he'd never reach his peak form again, but to write him off just because of his loss yesterday is lame. How many times have he lost to the unknown players and bounce back the next week? Just sayin'.

To beat TH, a very simple rules.. He must be a very tall player.:D
NTM, Anup, Tanongsak, Wacha... plenty on them on the cards.;)

Hmmm, TH record against peter gade and kenneth J. are quite good.

As i have said in another thread, LD too has lost to low seeded players before, PSH, susilo, etc

btw, what happened to the MD pair alvent/luluk? They did quite well in 2008 when they do play.

U better be right, I got my PAW in based on your judgement.

Oh S**T... :D:D:D:D:D

Because TH is unpredictable.
Perhaps he'd never reach his peak form again, but to write him off just because of his loss yesterday is lame. How many times have he lost to the unknown players and bounce back the next week? Just sayin'.

Last yr when he lost to the Viet in Philippines Open, everyone (including Misbun and YKH) was on their toes when Taufik took park in World Championship in JB the following week. Even LCW felt that Taufik would bounce back strongly after failing in Phili...

Oh well... Oh well... we all knew the result (Taufik was only his shadow and lost tamely in the WC... well... yeah... taufik will bounce back "again" and beat BCL and Gade... well oh well... ;)

it's still early days, the real competition has yet to begin.
we'll see the true strength of all the teams once the knock-out stage comes around.