Malaysia Md Also Scratch Pair????

[reiko80]

did u notice that kkk will partner with ctf....and zakry with tbh.....this is really brave line up by rexy....we'll see it against japan today...good luck:D:D

[Cheung]

You can be sure they tested out the combinations before. There is always the possibility of a player getting injured so being able to mix is good. It is also a strategy to confuse the opposition.

Remember the 2002 TC? - Malaysia were surprised when Indonesia fielded Trikus and Halim as a scratch pair.

Further back in 2000 TC, Rexy played with Tony G and destroyed everybody.

[reiko80]

You can be sure they tested out the combinations before. There is always the possibility of a player getting injured so being able to mix is good. It is also a strategy to confuse the opposition.

Remember the 2002 TC? - Malaysia were surprised when Indonesia fielded Trikus and Halim as a scratch pair.

Further back in 2000 TC, Rexy played with Tony G and destroyed everybody.
hope so.....:D:D:D:D

[ngkt67]

Maybe they have to depend on the singles!!!

[ctjcad]

did u notice that kkk will partner with ctf....and zakry with tbh.....this is really brave line up by rexy....we'll see it against japan today...good luck:D:D
..wow, this is going to surprise the JPN TC squad, esp. the MDs. All the planning, now it's probably out the door. Should be interesting to follow.:cool:

[xsakurax]

Maybe they have to depend on the singles!!!

we never see them play together but that does not mean that they cant play..maybe our players are also versatile just like the korean..

[reiko80]

..wow, this is going to surprise the JPN TC squad, esp. the MDs. All the planning, now it's probably out the door. Should be interesting to follow.:cool:
ct........its work:D:D:D:D

[kenny7_2006]

... and so far, the 1st scratch pair has won 21-13, 21-11 in the 1st MD... Choong Tan Fook and Koo Kien Keat, kinda funny... too bad i cant watch live, depend on livescore only...

[Xenoy009]

yes!!! KKK+CTF combination worked very well!! they won easily without much obstacle.

[Lengaby]

KKK/CTF kept smashing in front of the net hehe ... not even a single chance for the japanese

[xymaerts]

Hopefully YKH & Rexy won't give us surprise again on Friday...

[mmooww]

scratched pair is better than usual pair.
The opponents do not how the 'new' pair play the game, the strategy and also their partnership.
That's y we get 2 surprises from Msia team. One from LPX-WPT and another from KKK-CTF.
Maybe the next 'new' pair will be TBH-LWW.
I like both of them~

[Erwin Kyoto]

...can u guys imagine if YKH/Rexy be also paired ...look like YKH/Rexy be a good MD...anyway congrets to MAS and special to briliants RExy...

[eaglehelang]

It's expected as Rexy mentioned before he might feature stratch pairs against China & Indonesia if they meet. They did it for Uber qualifiers & Finals, TC sure got one. They did it earlier, against Japan.
Too bad Zakry/TBH didnt play - would have been interesting to see Courageous Shortie & Tallie play, he he.

And yes, Cheung, has already been tested during training.

But would understand why they didnt field stratch pairs in group match, too early, opponents will catch wind of it.

Oh yeah, now opponents will be wondering who Msia will field : CTF/KKK, LWW/KKK, LWW/TBH, KKK/Zakry, TBH/Zakry, LWW or CTF/Zakry, etc. All of which never play in tournaments before.

I didnt expect though that KKK will be partnered with CTF. Was expecting LWW/KKK or TBH combo since uncle Ah Fook has "nervous at crucial pt" syndrome

[badMania]

Koo/Choong will be more than a match for the relatively off-form Fu/Cai.

It will be an interesting SF tie now.

[eaglehelang]

Koo/Choong will be more than a match for the relatively off-form Fu/Cai.

It will be an interesting SF tie now.

BTw, CCTV 5 showed which court just now? Clear reception?

Did they show China vs Thailand? I mean, how you know FU/Cai still off form? From our Huang ?

[Smichz]

Well..indo did that tradition from a long time ago...from time to time..

[sweetlover]

entertaining match to see kkk partnering with ctf...
kinda scary partner but work well...
well done...!!!

[takeshi]

don't forget Wong CH can play as double too.
KKK/CTF, TBH/WCH maybe too surprise for everyone !!

[Coelacanth]

I think Mr WCH will only be fielded as last resort. His partnership with Mr CTF was not as impressive as Mr KKK

[takeshi]

Hopefully YKH & Rexy won't give us surprise again on Friday...
Hopefully LeeCW/WCH not the 1st pair !!:eek::eek::eek: I'll not stop laughing until they stop.

Msia 1st doubles CTF/LWW don't match the speedy Cai/Fu. CTF/LWW never won before against China.
I think there will be scratch pair again if play with China because China too good at singles.

[hcyong]

I didnt expect though that KKK will be partnered with CTF. Was expecting LWW/KKK or TBH combo since uncle Ah Fook has "nervous at crucial pt" syndrome

KKK/CTF makes sense to me because CTF is a natural back-court player, while KKK likes the front court. I am not too sure about LWW/TBH though. Sounds like a weaker pair to me.

[limsy]

Hopefully LeeCW/WCH not the 1st pair !!:eek::eek::eek: I'll not stop laughing until they stop.

Msia 1st doubles CTF/LWW don't match the speedy Cai/Fu. CTF/LWW never won before against China.
I think there will be scratch pair again if play with China because China too good at singles.

har???...wow...u are wrong,man....cy/fhf lost to lww/ctf in 2007 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP QUATER FINAL IN MALAYSIA...and yet...they are the one whom beat the chinese pair most many time compare to any of malaysia md if i am not mistaken...they win chinese pair atleast 4 time last year...^^...:D:D

[takeshi]

har???...wow...u are wrong,man....cy/fhf lost to lww/ctf in 2007 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP QUATER FINAL IN MALAYSIA...and yet...they are the one whom beat the chinese pair most many time compare to any of malaysia md if i am not mistaken...they win chinese pair atleast 4 time last year...^^...:D:D
u r right..now i remember:p
anyway, Msia have too earn points from doubles. Msia singles might loss all.

[george@chongwei]

u r right..now i remember:p
anyway, Msia have too earn points from doubles. Msia singles might loss all.
lcw is the best bet for singles:)

[reiko80]

lcw is the best bet for singles:)
yuppppppppppp...................come on george...........shake hand:D:D:D

[bananakid]

No scratch pair can compare to Korea's mighty Lee YI/SSM combination... I couldn't stop laughing when I saw that combo. both over 28 years old(consider old in professional badminton), and both are single players... TOO GOOD!!!:p

[ye333]

is similar to Rexy/Tony in TC 2000. CTF is Rexy (over the peak but has great skill at the net, OK at the back, and much experience), KKK is Tony (at the beginning of his peak period, lethal at the net, good at the back).

However, my question is:

Is it a bad decision to field them against Japan? Imagine what would happen if CY/FHF suddenly meet this pair -- there is no way CY can rule the net. So MAS made a wrong move this time IMHO.

[limsy]

i dont think so...lee wan wah will be better...

[sophiaJ]

a scratch pair field when meet china will be the best...
high chance to win over them

[Xenoy009]

No scratch pair can compare to Korea's mighty Lee YI/SSM combination... I couldn't stop laughing when I saw that combo. both over 28 years old(consider old in professional badminton), and both are single players... TOO GOOD!!!:p

:D:D:D:D:D Wahaha...really can't stop laughing on the biggest joke for Thomas/Uber Cup 2008. Beh tahan...

[ye333]

I don't think so. The key is the following: Both KKK and CTF are the net player in their own pairs and at the same time have decent back court power (this is the key similarity between this pair and Rexy/Tony).

KKK/LWW would be more traditional and predictable -- be careful when KKK is at the net and LWW is at the back.


i dont think so...lee wan wah will be better...

[eaglehelang]

I don't think so. The key is the following: Both KKK and CTF are the net player in their own pairs and at the same time have decent back court power (this is the key similarity between this pair and Rexy/Tony).

KKK/LWW would be more traditional and predictable -- be careful when KKK is at the net and LWW is at the back.

Not necessarily CTF/KKK. It could be CTF/TBH, LWW/TBH, KKK/LWW depending on who is the opponent. LWW recently has played at the net too with CTF.
Sthing like WPT/LPS, WPT/CEH. LPS/Ng Hui Lin. They choose best combo to play the opponent.

Against Japan, it was CTF/KKK. Against China....China'll be left wondering.
But my preferance is same as limsy : LWW/KKK, though more predictable, CTF has "nervous at crucial point" syndrome

Same goes for Zakry/TBH, they never played before in tournament condition.

[jurong_twister]

It reminds me of Icuk Sugiarto playing 2nd double during Thomas Cup Final in the 80s to break solid China team.

[zqloy]

I don't think so. The key is the following: Both KKK and CTF are the net player in their own pairs and at the same time have decent back court power (this is the key similarity between this pair and Rexy/Tony).

KKK/LWW would be more traditional and predictable -- be careful when KKK is at the net and LWW is at the back.

CTF is not the netplayer. LWW is in their combination.

[ye333]

My impression is just on the contrary. :cool: LWW usually does more smashes. CTF/LWW is a very balanced pair anyway.


CTF is not the netplayer. LWW is in their combination.

[badMania]

My impression is just on the contrary. :cool: LWW usually does more smashes. CTF/LWW is a very balanced pair anyway.

I do think it's good for MAS to tinker with their double pairs in facing Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun and Xie Zhongbo/Guo Zhendong, with the objectives of winning 2 pts, not just 1.

[jason_tiger]

If staying for the old formation where CTF/LWW & KKK/TBH to be 1st and 2nd pairs, then it will be 1-1 in double compartment.

If M'sia continue to field CTF/KKK as 1st pair, they might be able to have a closed game with CY/FHF, and won't be surprised if they could beat China due to unfamiliarity; Drawn back is on the 2nd pair which get weakening compare to original formation
May consider to keep Zakry/Fairu, which should be another 50-50 games with china 2nd pair, but by doing that best case M'sia will win 2-0 or can loss 0-2 in double compartment.

Gambling is on......

[adammohamad]

MAS TEAM WILL PUT CHOON HAN AS THE FIRST SINGLE, [burn]

LEE CHONG WEI WILL BE THE SECOND SINGLE.,
and beat bao chun lai,

CTF-KKK FIRST SINGLE
beat cy-fhf

ZAKRY-TBH AS SECOND DOUBLE
beat guo zeng dong-zhong bo

MAS WIN 3-2

[badMania]

MAS TEAM WILL PUT CHOON HAN AS THE FIRST SINGLE, [burn]

LEE CHONG WEI WILL BE THE SECOND SINGLE.,
and beat bao chun lai,


Dude...u are on dreamland. There's no way Wong Choong Hann will be MS1 and Lee Chong Wei will be MS2 by virtue of their rankings.

[ants]

CTF and KKK blend together well. They had fun playing the Japanese guys. But i would also say that the Japanese have not been performing well this Thomas Cup.

[jason_tiger]

Advancing KKK/TBH to 1st pair will surely stand a much better chance to get one point, otherwise if CTF/LWW loss to CY/FHF, LCW & WCH loss their single, then it will then be 0-3, game over!

[ants]

LWW/CTF will not be able to play all together in the Semis if advance KKK/TBH to be the first doubles. Zakry and partner will be the 2nd if ever this happens.

[jason_tiger]

oh, really, ants...Have not spoken to friends in Jakarta yet, will have to wait our BC friends to kindly upload the videos ;-)
Surely will "work from home" :pon Friday to watch this big match crashes!

Got to give credit to Rexy and the coaches of Malaysia for today formation, at least making China team confuse & more guessing in their preparation.

If I were Rexy (;-)), I will advance KKK/TBH to be 1st pair, at least to give a better chance in avoiding China wins by 3-0, then put another creative 2nd double pair instead of Zaikry/Fairu.

My choices would be :-
CTF/Zaikry or CTF/Fairu

Nothing againsts LWW, simply because always good for a reason if a team got one lefty and one righty

Suggestion/idea is welcome ;-)

[ye333]

?????? :confused:

CTF/LWW leads in their head to head against CY/FHF. And quite a few of the wins are in recent years (2006 HK, 2007 WC). And don't forget how they toyed CY/FHF in 2007 Singapore (of course they finally toyed their own form off LOL :D).

CTF/LWW definitely holds the upper hand against CY/FHF.



Msia 1st doubles CTF/LWW don't match the speedy Cai/Fu. CTF/LWW never won before against China.
I think there will be scratch pair again if play with China because China too good at singles.

[ye333]

It's always a hard choice whether to play safe or try to surprise your opponent (thus either win big or lost big). Back when China is weak in MD, China always form scratch pairs and it worked many times (in particular 2003 Sudirman when ZW/CY beat Candra/Sigit).

I guess it depends on how much confidence MAS has in LCW.:cool:


I do think it's good for MAS to tinker with their double pairs in facing Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun and Xie Zhongbo/Guo Zhendong, with the objectives of winning 2 pts, not just 1.

[ye333]

The JPN pair almost beat JR/LP. So I guess they are not off-form.


CTF and KKK blend together well. They had fun playing the Japanese guys. But i would also say that the Japanese have not been performing well this Thomas Cup.

[ye333]

May I remind you that KKK/TBH has lost to CY/FHF in the two encounters during the past year?


Advancing KKK/TBH to 1st pair will surely stand a much better chance to get one point, otherwise if CTF/LWW loss to CY/FHF, LCW & WCH loss their single, then it will then be 0-3, game over!

[jason_tiger]

Honestly speaking, LCW must perform better than his normal standard in order to outclass LD; Tough for WCH to beat BCL unless BCL mentally collaspe; This leads Malaysia needs at least one point from the first 3 games.

ye333, I knew CTF/LWW did beat CY/FHF in the past ;-)

Does anyone knows about what's speed of shuttlecocks will be using in semi? It would be advantage to CTF/LWW if using slower speed.

[ye333]

The safest point for China is definitely BCL vs. WCH. Even if WCH plays well in the 1st game, in the 2nd and 3rd games BCL will have big stamina advantage.

How about HH to 2nd MS and Arif for 3rd MS? CJ was beaten by TCS in India Open (it's a very important tournament for CJ so I assume CJ was playing as well as he could). I suppose Arif is faster and has finer skills than TCS, so it's not impossible for him to topple CJ. :cool:


Honestly speaking, LCW must perform better than his normal standard in order to outclass LD; Tough for WCH to beat BCL unless BCL mentally collaspe; This leads Malaysia needs at least one point from the first 3 games.

ye333, I knew CTF/LWW did beat CY/FHF in the past ;-)

Does anyone knows about what's speed of shuttlecocks will be using in semi? It would be advantage to CTF/LWW if using slower speed.

[badadum]

The safest point for China is definitely BCL vs. WCH. Even if WCH plays well in the 1st game, in the 2nd and 3rd games BCL will have big stamina advantage.

How about HH to 2nd MS and Arif for 3rd MS? CJ was beaten by TCS in India Open (it's a very important tournament for CJ so I assume CJ was playing as well as he could). I suppose Arif is faster and has finer skills than TCS, so it's not impossible for him to topple CJ. :cool:

CJ was beaten by another MAS junior, Chong Wei Feng, not TCS. Some also argued its due to CJ's injury. Moving HH to 2nd is not a bad idea though, considering he did beat BCL in ABC. It'll depend who's playing style HH less likely to have problem with. Regardless, it'll be a moot point if MAS can't get 2 points from the MDs

[ye333]

CJ is vulnerable when facing opponents who can match his speed. He did better when facing slower players who rely more on skills. He lost to Boonsak tamely twice in 2007 and also lost to the powerful and young Kendrick Lee.


CJ was beaten by another MAS junior, Chong Wei Feng, not TCS. Some also argued its due to CJ's injury. Moving HH to 2nd is not a bad idea though, considering he did beat BCL in ABC. It'll depend who's playing style HH less likely to have problem with. Regardless, it'll be a moot point if MAS can't get 2 points from the MDs

[gary_seeker]

the only things I care for right now is of course MAS win both MD and hope 1 of the MS can deliver the third point :). Since the match that I want to watch the most is INA VS MAS in the final !! That's where all of the fun begin, sibling rivalry, hatred, fanatic supporters and country pride. All of that blend together in Senayan, that's the most awaited match

[volcom]

CJ is vulnerable when facing opponents who can match his speed. He did better when facing slower players who rely more on skills. He lost to Boonsak tamely twice in 2007 and also lost to the powerful and young Kendrick Lee.

CJ has no real super weapon in his arsenal... He is not that fast, and his smashes are just average with no extra sting, while his netplay seems very average also... Just his defence is quite good.
For me he is far too one dimensional.

[lipans]

Possibility of MAS MD lineup.

1) CTF/LWW & KKK/TBH
2) KKK/TBH & FRT/ZL
3) CTF/KKK & TBH/ZL
4) KKK/TBH & CTF/ZL
5) CTF/LWW & FRT/ZL

I think Rexy initial plan is to use combination no 3 as a secret weapon against China. But due to performance issue by CTF/LWW during group stage, they are used earlier against JAP.

hence, I still think Rexy will use this combination against china to maximize chace of getting 2 points from MD.

[markchan]

Culling from all the posts here, I think this could be a "surprise" line up to counter CHN -
MS 1- LCW ( no surprise ;))
MS 2 - HH ( becos he has just recently beaten BCL at the ABC :o)
MS 3 - Arif ( no other choice in this strategy ! :( )
MD 1 - KKK/CTF ( due to their impressive display yesterday :))
MD 2 - TBH/ZL ( untested, but I m sure the coaches must have tried them out before :confused: )

If this strategy is employed then MAS wud be hoping to win MS1, MD1 and then MS2 !!!!:D:D:D

MAS 3 - 0 CHN !!!!!

[reiko80]

Culling from all the posts here, I think this could be a "surprise" line up to counter CHN -
MS 1- LCW ( no surprise ;))
MS 2 - HH ( becos he has just recently beaten BCL at the ABC :o)
MS 3 - Arif ( no other choice in this strategy ! :( )
MD 1 - KKK/CTF ( due to their impressive display yesterday :))
MD 2 - TBH/ZL ( untested, but I m sure the coaches must have tried them out before :confused: )

If this strategy is employed then MAS wud be hoping to win MS1, MD1 and then MS2 !!!!:D:D:D

MAS 3 - 0 CHN !!!!!
not that easy bro...................................u think china had no strategy....they have 3 solid single and 1 solid double.....already 4 pts there....we are hoping on LCW and 2 MD.....our minimum capability compare with them had 4 capability....

[takeshi]

Culling from all the posts here, I think this could be a "surprise" line up to counter CHN -
MS 1- LCW ( no surprise ;))
MS 2 - HH ( becos he has just recently beaten BCL at the ABC :o)
MS 3 - Arif ( no other choice in this strategy ! :( )
MD 1 - KKK/CTF ( due to their impressive display yesterday :))
MD 2 - TBH/ZL ( untested, but I m sure the coaches must have tried them out before :confused: )

If this strategy is employed then MAS wud be hoping to win MS1, MD1 and then MS2 !!!!:D:D:D

MAS 3 - 0 CHN !!!!!
Keep all these secret...
The China coach is surfing for clue...:D:D:D

[Hitman71]

China might makes some changes in their line up. Maybe moving CJ to 2nd single and let CY playing the 3rd single. Their 2nd MD can be a scratch pair also. Hehehehe this is interesting ...

[masjoko]

Keep all these secret...
The China coach is surfing for clue...:D:D:D

dont worry. what i know LYB only read chinese language forum..

[ye333]

China doesn't have much room for mixing up. BCL is a stronger than CJ and did very well so far in this TC so it is not wise to move CJ to 2nd MS. There is also no obvious benefit to break FHF/CY up. Only 2nd MD allows some change.


China might makes some changes in their line up. Maybe moving CJ to 2nd single and let CY playing the 3rd single. Their 2nd MD can be a scratch pair also. Hehehehe this is interesting ...

[Dato A]

dont worry. what i know LYB only read chinese language forum..

Hahaha:D:D:D

He only read chinese forum bcos of he dont understand other language??:D:D

[eaglehelang]

dont worry. what i know LYB only read chinese language forum..


Hahaha:D:D:D

He only read chinese forum bcos of he dont understand other language??:D:D
LOL, you guys are funny. Anyway, whoever it was, no need worry LYB read it. The pair-ups might not be KKK/CTF.
MD 1 could be CTF or LWW with KKK, TBH or Zakry. KKK/LWW also possible, KKK used to as front court, LWW as back court player.
THen 2nd MD could be another uncle with TBH, Zakry, Fairuz. Any combination.

Of course China can also split the pairs, then it'll be stratch pair vs stratch pairs.:D But dont think they will field Chen Yu, the other 3 China MS still fared better against WCH, HAfiz.
Dont think they will field young Arif either, unless LCW, WCH, Hafiz got serious injury. They will play around with the MD.

[samuel882]

As I've mentioned before
KKK/CTF & Zakry/TBH can be a secret weapon for MAs TEam

[masjoko]

it will be stretch pair vs scratch pair!

[samuel882]

dont think the scatch pair will be use during Semi vs China
Kkk/Tbh stand a good chance against Feng Yun ...

[limsy]

arif as 3rd single will be the most dangerous thing to malaysia...and china will laugh at malaysia...said china:we afford to lost 2 md now...

and again..i hope arif can play too...but not against china...this just like give the meat to tiger...hmm...

hh can win bcl...then he can win cj also...right???...^^...hmm...have some confident in hh...

hmm...md???...hard to say...but...malaysia will win this two point i think...

[eaglehelang]

dont think the scatch pair will be use during Semi vs China
Kkk/Tbh stand a good chance against Feng Yun ...

Then uncles cant be fielded, can they? Can CTF or LWW be paired with Zakry as 2nd MD?

[llpjlau]

i've got to watch that match of KKK-CTF vs the Japs. a most surprising combination. is it on BC by any chance?

[george@chongwei]

As I've mentioned before
KKK/CTF & Zakry/TBH can be a secret weapon for MAs TEam
hey sam, at Jkarta now>??:D
wah, got wireless kah?