TC/UC 2008 - May 16 - Thomas Cup Semifinal - Day 6

[llpjlau]

apparently MK-HS are world champions.. sure didnt look it.

[Seasider]

No matter how shaky TH is at the moment, I still think that he's not gonna give up that easily. He has all the gut to play in any situation and environment. I hope he's gonna show everything he got on the court. I'm now glad that TH is our MS2; not MS1. But we shall see, I hope I'm right.

[badadum]

Didn't expect MK/HS to break apart in 3rd set like that...dang, it was such a close games in the 1st two...
Lets go Taufik, taufik, taufik :)

[Jessica]

Taufik,you must not give up..Come on..

[abedeng]

Taufik has to move a mountain tonight. Beat LHI and give INA the room to recover.

[badadum]

KOR beat the Danes after losing ithe first 2 match. Time for INA to return the favor ;)

[jason_tiger]

Very unlikely Indonesia could win this match, even Taufik beats LHI, korea 2nd double still in upper hand to beat Indonesia. 3-1 to Korea.

[kungfukid]

WHo would have thought that Korea startegic plan developing so well.
me.
I knew they hav adopted a good strategy despite the fact that everyone defames it.
Their strategy is sucessful if they can reach final by this way.

[yen_saw]

Can only hope TH savage a point. It would be a great comeback for INA if they win this semi. Lets see if TH can handle the pressure.

[robin7]

Is that the same umpire from CHN umpiring in China Open last year?

[Erwin Kyoto]

cmooooooooooon Taufikkkkkkk

http://i3.sinaimg.cn/ty/o/p/2008-05-12/U333P6T12D3657724F44DT20080512150048.jpg

[bananakid]

KOR beat the Danes after losing ithe first 2 match. Time for INA to return the favor ;)

Denmark lost the next 3 matches only because they have to depend on much weaker players compare to Gade and Kenneth (in singles) and also weak MDs.

Korea is in a completely different situation, maybe except SSM... but that's only when SSM has to play against world top class player, and I won't put Simon in that category.

[yen_saw]

TH keep smashing LHI left hand... he needs to smash the right side as LHI is left handed.

[bananakid]

cmooooooooooon Taufikkkkkkk

http://i3.sinaimg.cn/ty/o/p/2008-05-12/U333P6T12D3657724F44DT20080512150048.jpg

Talk about lack of concentration... that's it... 3-0 for Korea.:p

[abedeng]

LHI pull away, 6-2.

[yen_saw]

Good smash by TH earlier.

[Jessica]

Taufik is still my favourite player no matter what..He is just too charming even thought he already married..

[robin7]

I saw.... P E T E R P A N....again...

[yen_saw]

The crowd is too quiet. I am surprise.

[robin7]

LHI 11-6 up.....

[yen_saw]

Not looking good at all for INA.

[abedeng]

A few errors allows Taufik to get close.

[yen_saw]

LHI making more mistakes. TH needs to step up.

[phaarix]

Even the forums are quiet :S.

[yen_saw]

Yeah where are the INA supporters here?

[modious]

Doesn't look good for Indonesia.

18 - 12 to Lee Hyun Il.....

[abedeng]

Coach Mulyo disputes a line call. Park rebuilds his pts buffer.

18-12

[eaglehelang]

Yeah where are the INA supporters here?

Those in Indonesia are at the stadium. Left only Badmania from HK, hmmmm Baddum in US. Ctjcad went to bed, he stayed up the whole nite, finally.....

[modious]

LHI takes the first set.
21 - 13.

[robin7]

LHI took the 1st game 21-13...

[abedeng]

Lee wins 1st game quite easily.

Hauge gnaws at his tournament pass. Jimbo shakes head, his hero is not performing.

[Jessica]

Those in Indonesia are at the stadium. Left only Badmania from HK, hmmmm Baddum in US. Ctjcad went to bed, he stayed up the whole nite, finally.....
eagle..Still watching the match???Many Malaysia Bcers left after Mas defeat to China.:rolleyes::o

[Jessica]

Lee wins 1st game quite easily.

Hauge gnaws at his tournament pass. Jimbo shakes head, his hero is not performing.
How about cat sister Louisa???Abang,can you help me to say hello to her and her sister Michelle???:p

[eaglehelang]

eagle..Still watching the match???Many Malaysia Bcers left after Mas defeat to China.:rolleyes::o

MD match was interesting, now not watching, just livescore. Too lagging if livestream on.

[abedeng]

Taufik trying to inject more urgency top his game, but Lee is the one with the pts, 3-1

[yen_saw]

3 all now TH is trying to win here

[abedeng]

Lee floors Taufik with body attack.

[eaglehelang]

My goodness, it's 2-0 to Korea. Sony got too nervous, maybe Kido/Setiawan also. Now Taufik trailing. I thought Indonesia will give stiffer fight. Where's Badmania ? Too tense he ran away?

[xsakurax]

taufik is trying his best to bring this match into rubber games..o.O

[Erwin Kyoto]

Those in Indonesia are at the stadium. Left only Badmania from HK, hmmmm Baddum in US. Ctjcad went to bed, he stayed up the whole nite, finally.....

I am still here...but lose spirit to post....:(

[yen_saw]

Damn TH is still not playing his best and making mistake. Does he know this is life and death game for INA?

[eaglehelang]

I am still here...but lose spirit to post....:(

Hiyaaa, cannot lose spirit, still got Taufik, now even more must cheer harder mah :D:D

[llpjlau]

what happened to INA?

[sophiaJ]

hyun il is great!!

[drifit]

Korea's plan is coming true......?

[abedeng]

People are still taking pics with flash.

The crowd banded togethed to do a final rally and lift Taufik's spirit.

Hauge no longer paying attention to the match, instead doing some work with his smartphone PDA.

[Han]

Just woke up and realize Malaysia had lost to China, pretty disappointed though was very happy with the overall effort. What is happening to the host Indonesia playing so lame? Actually I think the match up will be more interesting if Korea meet with China in the Final. Korea has the same situation as Malaysia having 2 solid MD and 2 solid single(Malaysia only has 1).
Many are anticipating the clash between Taufik vs Bao but the era has changed, I rather see LHI vs Bao.
Give China credit, despite being pressured still broke thru and advanced, sign of the true champion.

[yen_saw]

Good smash from TH, that's what he needs to bring back the game.

[yen_saw]

THe situation seems hopeless for INA.

[Smichz]

Indo is losing..0-2.OMG!!Come one indo,come on taufik!!!

[Jessica]

:crying::crying:..Taufik,i already sad with Mas team lost and now..:(:crying:

[llpjlau]

come on. buck up.

[yen_saw]

I bet china is planning a strategy to face Korea now.

[sophiaJ]

korea goin to make it!!

[xsakurax]

what's the score now?my live score not working >.<

[yen_saw]

17:11... LHI leading. THe way INA play doesn't look like they deserve to be in the semi.

[drifit]

i heard that INA crowd is moving out from the stadium............

[modious]

19 - 12 to LHI........

[drifit]

Kor, 1 and half feet into final..................

[yen_saw]

18:12... 3 more points for LHI for Korea whitewash of INA. 19:12 now.

[xsakurax]

haiz...looks like being the host doesn't give any advantage to the team...korean vs china will be an interesting match!

[vincents]

Me and my big mouth

[modious]

21 - 14!

Korea Wins!

[drifit]

Chn vs Kor, sunday, final............................

[yen_saw]

match point...... INA is a gonna!

[eaglehelang]

:crying::crying:..Taufik,i already sad with Mas team lost and now..:(:crying:

Msia, we got 5 matches, lost 2-3, Indonesia, aiyooo, I pity their players, it's going to be a 0-3 lost, before Chanda/Nova got to show their arsenal



People are still taking pics with flash.

The crowd banded togethed to do a final rally and lift Taufik's spirit.

Hauge no longer paying attention to the match, instead doing some work with his smartphone PDA.

oh boy, our Hauge must be really nervous too.

[yen_saw]

that's it!!.....

[abedeng]

Koreans ready to celebrate a historic win, and they ran on court to salute the hero of the hour, LHI.

KOR wins 3-0 and earn the right to meet China.

[drifit]

quite a disappointment to INA......... 3-0

[yen_saw]

The crowd looks so dejected. What a shame to INA mens team. THe INA women in the final instead .

[IBaddersI]

The master plan is unfolding.

[badadum]

Dissapointment for INA TC indeed, which goal is final :(

[PlayaFromMalaya]

yay!! korea won!! congrats :D:D:D:D

[apontoh]

.........I'm speechless.....

[eaglehelang]

haiz...looks like being the host doesn't give any advantage to the team...korean vs china will be an interesting match!

Like Msia, it can also be called home ground dis-advantage. Indonesia still got the gals to cheer for tommorrow.

Korea played their strategy & got in to their 1st TC finals

[drifit]

all 4 teams semi-finalist has done a great performance.
congrats to China and Korea team.
everyone, keep up the good works..............:)

[vincents]

China'll keep the Thomas Cup. Singles too strong

[sophiaJ]

yess~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
korea win!!!!!!!1

[abedeng]

Some sections of the crowd try to lift INA spirits, despite the loss.

[vching]

dunno which one to cheer on Sunday...

Both Korea and China are unethical...

[Smichz]

Oh my..hope that it's some lessons for PBSI to do BETTER in the future...

[yen_saw]

I believed IBF wil do something to change the TC game schedule now.

[robin7]

Possibles outcomes:
(1) KOR 3 - 0 INA (20%) - PSH, JJS/LYD & LHI winning
(2) KOR 3 - 1 INA (30%) - MK/HS winning
(3) KOR 2 - 3 INA (25%) - PSH & JJS/LYD winning
(4) KOR 1 - 3 INA (15%) - PSH
(5) KOR 0 - 3 INA (10%) - SDK, MK/HS & TH winning
I was telling my sisters that it could be 3-0 for KOR...

KOR 3 - 0 INA

[sophiaJ]

korea takes both double and 2nd single and they will take thomas cup home~!!

[Seasider]

The crowd is still chanting "Indonesia...Indonesia...Indonesia... :)

[yen_saw]

dunno which one to cheer on Sunday...

Both Korea and China are unethical...

Unethical won them a final games.

[yen_saw]

Bronze medal for the INA team,

[modious]

I think Taufik can retire, he is a shadow of his former brilliant self.

[bananakid]

Now that Chen Jin probably won't play in the final... I bet Korea may just take the Thomas cup for the 1st time in history with a final score of 3-2. with both MD's and MS3 victory.

Consider the fact that Chen Yu has been playing "VERY" poorly this year, SSM may have a good chance of beating him and take the precious Thomas cup for Korea.:cool:

[gargoyle]

Nightmare :( :(

[Smichz]

The only hope left..uber cup..

[Han]

China'll keep the Thomas Cup. Singles too strong

Not necessary, Park Sung Hwan and Lee Hyun Il are also class A player and 2 very good MDs. I would think this will be a even closer fight then Malaysia vs China.

[yen_saw]

Well some people will think TH can win OG, i really doubt it.

[bananakid]

dunno which one to cheer on Sunday...

Both Korea and China are unethical...

Sometimes people get confuse between intelligence and unethical...:rolleyes:

[Seasider]

Originally Posted by vching http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=876075#post876075)
dunno which one to cheer on Sunday...

Both Korea and China are unethical...


Unethical won them a final games.

I don't think I will watch TC Final game. I'm so fed up of their dirty tricks....

[Jessica]

Well..I actually think Korea have a high chance to win over China and win their first Thomas Cup.Althought Korea use some tactic to came through the final but i still admire the thoughness of their players.Good luck to Korea team and hope they will fight all out in the final.

[yen_saw]

Now that Chen Jin probably won't play in the final... I bet Korea may just take the Thomas cup for the 1st time in history with a final score of 3-2. with 2 MD and MS3 victory.

Consider the fact that Chen Yu has been playing "VERY" poorly this year, SSM may have a good chance of beating him and take the precious Thomas cup for Korea.:cool:

Why CJ not playing?

[sophiaJ]

korea will win in finals!!!

[eaglehelang]

The crowd looks so dejected. What a shame to INA mens team. THe INA women in the final instead .

hmmmm, I got a familiar feeling - the one supposed to win lost (INA TC Team), the one supposed to lose won (INA women's team)

Anyway, Indonesia fans, dont be too sad, you still got your gals to cheer for.

[bananakid]

Why CJ not playing?

LYB said that CJ injured his back again while playing against Hafiz:crying: It was amazing enough that CJ still won, partially thanks to Hafiz's fancy shots.

[yen_saw]

Korea is again underdog against China. Again, first match is crucial.

[MeL'z]

the game was unpredictable..:eek::eek::eek: i thought INA will win.. but the Korean played really well.. ignoring all the yelling... congratz for the Korean team!! :)

[Jessica]

Originally Posted by vching http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=876075#post876075)
dunno which one to cheer on Sunday...

Both Korea and China are unethical...



I don't think I will watch TC Final game. I'm so fed up of their dirty tricks....
Dirty trick is a little bit too serious here.I will think this is just strategy and the Korea have done it.Korea team have to bear the responsible too if they failed this strategy.

[yen_saw]

LYB said that CJ injured his back again while playing against Hafiz:crying:

WOW that is great news for Korea! Now i would rate the chance between Korea and China 50/50

[nick.h]

at this rate, INA got no future in badminton...PBSI has got to improve their management system and start thinking about regeneration rather than winning big tournaments.

[Jessica]

LYB said that CJ injured his back again while playing against Hafiz:crying: It was amazing enough that CJ still won, partially thanks to Hafiz's fancy shots.
:eek:What???And Hafiz still lost this one..:crying::crying:

[yen_saw]

Again, INA fail to deliver in their homeground. I am still shock that KOrea can do it with 3:0 scoreline. As comparable to CHina whitewash of INA 5:0 two TC before.

[bananakid]

:eek:What???And Hafiz still lost this one..:crying::crying:

Yup... LYB even praised CJ for not only continued on with the match and won, PLUS the fact that CJ did his best to hide his injury which he suffered in the middle of the match.

Chen Jin is truly the hero of today's match.:cool:

[Smichz]

What i'm proud of is that the local line umpires r judging fairly,even though it's the home team which is playing,indonesia.Unlike what happend in Korea etc.Thumbs up for the umpires!

[eaglehelang]

MD, CHina vs Korea, Guo/Xie somehow managed to beat Lee/Jung during 2008 India Open. And they're the 2nd China pair. Of course, that time, they played much better than today. Today, maybe due to pressure, they like lost against Msia Fuzzy pair.

So, China MD might have found the formula to beat Korea MD

[Han]

Well some people will think TH can win OG, i really doubt it.

Don't doubt it, Taufik will not win. Taufik said he can win if he want to and that's the worst statement I've ever heard. Talk is so cheap, even Lin Dan can't be so sure about the Olympic gold.

[limsy]

well...i say ina for uber and korea for thomas...lin dan will meet park...whom win him 3 times and lost 2...i think park will win as under li mao...the chance of beating lin dan is more than 65%...and...no one can beat korea md now...korea to will 3-1...

[vching]

Sometimes people get confuse between intelligence and unethical...:rolleyes:

Obviously you do ;);)

[vching]

What i'm proud of is that the local line umpires r judging fairly,even though it's the home team which is playing,indonesia.Unlike what happend in Korea etc.Thumbs up for the umpires!

and you forgot to mention China.

[Seasider]

Time to go to sleep everyone....

[llpjlau]

both unethical. both cocky. both disgraceful.

[Seasider]

Unethical won them a final games.


both unethical. both cocky. both disgraceful.

Amen with that.

[bananakid]

Obviously you do ;);)

LOL... At least Korea proved that they are intelligence, not like Malaysia proved to be not as intelligence by going up against China and lost.;)

[limsy]

Don't doubt it, Taufik will not win. Taufik said he can win if he want to and that's the worst statement I've ever heard. Talk is so cheap, even Lin Dan can't be so sure about the Olympic gold.

of course lin dan cant say it...hmm...he never win...olympic is differ from other level competition...even compare to wc...hmm...but still...i think china line man and umpire is the one saying:if i want u win...u will win...:D

[Smichz]

Two thumbs up too for taufik's fighting spirit..Hope he can do better in the future!

[yen_saw]

Now i wonder if the stadium will be half full on SUnday TC final.

[xsakurax]

Yup... LYB even praised CJ for not only continued on with the match and won, PLUS the fact that CJ did his best to hide his injury which he suffered in the middle of the match.

Chen Jin is truly the hero of today's match.:cool:

maybe he can recover by sunday..china really really need to win the cup after li yongbo big talk :p

[xsakurax]

LOL... At least Korea proved that they are intelligence, not like Malaysia proved to be not as intelligence by going up against China and lost.;)

but if malaysian choose the same option as korean than what will happen to the game?both team dont want to win....:confused::confused:

[Smichz]

and you forgot to mention China.

Yup..that's why i said etc..since korea n china r not all of them..

[eaglehelang]

of course lin dan cant say it...hmm...he never win...olympic is differ from other level competition...even compare to wc...hmm...but still...i think china line man and umpire is the one saying:if i want u win...u will win...:D

Huh? What you mean ah? LD wont say he's sure to win OG gold, he lost 1st round in OG 2004.

Anyway, congrats to Korea, a surprise to me that Korea can win 3-0. Thought it'll be a close one of 3-2 either way.

[yen_saw]

CHina was damn confident about their chance of beating everyone, i want to see Korea give them a run for their money. No 3:0 screline hopefully.

[bananakid]

maybe he can recover by sunday..china really really need to win the cup after li yongbo big talk :p

China's magical herbs can only heal an injury before/during a China internal battle... all injuries suffered when going up against a player from another country will take longer than usual to heal.:p

China should plan on winning the tie as early as possible, so they don't have to go to the last and final match.:cool:

[bananakid]

but if malaysian choose the same option as korean than what will happen to the game?both team dont want to win....:confused::confused:

It would have been an interesting exhibition match between LCW/WCH vs LHI/SSM in the MD1 match, and we might have seen a MS1 match between KKK vs Lee Yong Dae, and etc.:cool:

[xsakurax]

yup...i'm sure the match will be fun..i hope they wont throw anything to each other if they lose :p china wants to save their face after the big talk while korean wants to win their first thomas cup!

[drifit]

Time to go to sleep everyone....

sweetdream to you.
i am just at 10.30pm, still able to watch a movie, a cup of coffee........ ZzzzZZzzzZZzzzzzZZZzz

[vching]

LOL... At least Korea proved that they are intelligence, not like Malaysia proved to be not as intelligence by going up against China and lost.;)

What makes you think that was an unintelligent decision?

[bananakid]

What makes you think that was an unintelligent decision?

Hmmmm... the fact that they lost is a good enough indicatior.. unless you can honestly say the following:

"Losers are more intelligent than winners":rolleyes:

Just look at the so-called ethical practice got the Malaysians to... "HOME"
then look at the so-called unethical practice got the Koreans to... "Thomas cup final"

[zqloy]

Hmmmm... the fact that they lost is a good enough indicatior.. unless you can honestly say the following:

"Losers are more intelligent than winners":rolleyes:

U r pushing it :mad:
Does losing and winning has anything to do with intelligence? U mean LD is stupid because he lost to LCW?

[eaglehelang]

LOL... At least Korea proved that they are intelligence, not like Malaysia proved to be not as intelligence by going up against China and lost.;)

If Msia had chosen the other route, they would have had to face Indonesia in QF & 50-50 chance of losing. Msia would never chose to lose match against England (the decision makers will never allow it), hence would not end up 3rd - got to do with nations pride.

So, it was either Indonesia or China.

If Msia uncles werent injured (LWW) or ill (CTF), they could have taken MD1 or KKK partner CTF for MD1. KKK/TBH could have too, if not cos of TBH's nerves (I think it was that).

[shyeling]

Msia, we got 5 matches, lost 2-3, Indonesia, aiyooo, I pity their players, it's going to be a 0-3 lost, before Chanda/Nova got to show their arsenal


fortunately m'sia lost 3-2, if not really malu lo...:o:o

[llpjlau]

LOL... At least Korea proved that they are intelligence, not like Malaysia proved to be not as intelligence by going up against China and lost.;)

unethical. dirty. what other words are there?

[bananakid]

If Msia had chosen the other route, they would have had to face Indonesia in QF & 50-50 chance of losing. Msia would never chose to lose match against England (the decision makers will never allow it), hence would not end up 3rd - got to do with nations pride.

So, it was either Indonesia or China.

If Msia uncles werent injured (LWW) or ill (CTF), they could have taken MD1 or KKK partner CTF for MD1. KKK/TBH could have too, if not cos of TBH's nerves (I think it was that).

I would agree with the high-lighted portion. I would not lose intentionally myself in any tournament, but the fact that some people calling the "intentional" losing STRATEGY unethical is then a different issue.

Now... your assumption of LWW/CTF could beat CY/FHF has no basis to it, but only your opinion, so that really is not a good argument at all... or else I could just argue that if LD won his match, then Malaysia would have lost 3-0 to China.

[pauline]

Korean proved their intelligence as well as the M'sian team for not choosing to lose in group stage. We may lose earlier before semi-final when meeting Den...Korea almost suffer a loss..

[Han]

maybe he can recover by sunday..china really really need to win the cup after li yongbo big talk :p

Chen Yu is more than capable to play as MS3. No reason to send Chen Jin who will not be 100% and risk further injury and ruin his Olympic trip. China lineup for the final will be as usual except Chen Yu as MS3. Even for team Korea, the line up should be as predicted, this is the final, you either go all out or go home empty handed.

[bananakid]

unethical. dirty. what other words are there?

How is it unethical, and dirty, when they clearly didn't break any rules in the book? blame the game, not the players.

Dude... even Bill Gates once said that this world is full of unfairness... get used to it, and adapt to it, or it's too bad for you(this part is from me).

[Jessica]

Haiz..I go sleep already..Like vching say,emotionally exhausted..

[shyeling]

LOL... At least Korea proved that they are intelligence, not like Malaysia proved to be not as intelligence by going up against China and lost.;)
i think although m'sia lost, but they still can be proud of it..:cool::cool:at least they try with their true ability, not by some cheap tactics...:mad::mad:

[bananakid]

Chen Yu is more than capable to play as MS3. No reason to send Chen Jin who will not be 100% and risk further injury and ruin his Olympic trip. China lineup for the final will be as usual except Chen Yu as MS3. Even for team Korea, the line up should be as predicted, this is the final, you either go all out or go home empty handed.

I would say Chen Yu is capable back in late 2006 to mid 2007... this year... he is just not to par.:crying:

[xsakurax]

Chen Yu is more than capable to play as MS3. No reason to send Chen Jin who will not be 100% and risk further injury and ruin his Olympic trip. China lineup for the final will be as usual except Chen Yu as MS3. Even for team Korea, the line up should be as predicted, this is the final, you either go all out or go home empty handed.

yup chen yu is capable but when the score goes down 2:2 he need to have a better mental strength or as good as chen jin today to win the match..if not sayonara to the thomas cup:)

[phaarix]

I personally don't think what Korea did was such a big deal (actually seemed kinda fun), I mean they still had to win when it mattered didn't they? They're still going to have to go up against China eventually. But it also really has very very little to do with intelligence... >_>. That's just silly. Not to mention Malaysia did very well (and could have done better, but not I think by avoiding China in the semifinals - by fielding a proper doubles line-up hah).

[bananakid]

i think although m'sia lost, but they still can be proud of it..:cool::cool:at least they try with their true ability, not by some cheap tactics...:mad::mad:

Ever heard of "the end justifies the means"?:rolleyes:
If Korea is to win the Thomas cup this year... they will only be remember as the Thomas cup winner in 2008 in the future, and nobody will remember how they got there... in the meantime, Malaysia will be remember as "Thanks for the memory again in 2008" in the future.

[skunklover]

yea, well, we will see who wins...
and poor Chen jin

[shyeling]

Ever heard of "the end justifies the means"?:rolleyes:
If Korea is to win the Thomas cup this year... they will only be remember as the Thomas cup winner in 2008 in the future, and nobody will remember how they got there... in the meantime, Malaysia will be remember as "Thanks for the memory again in 2008" in the future.
hopefully they won't win it...:D:D:D

[xsakurax]

Ever heard of "the end justifies the means"?:rolleyes:
If Korea is to win the Thomas cup this year... they will only be remember as the Thomas cup winner in 2008 in the future, and nobody will remember how they got there... in the meantime, Malaysia will be remember as "Thanks for the memory again in 2008" in the future.

I dont think its a problem even though malaysian choose not to lose like the korean...we almost beat china but unfortunately luck always not on our side..our score is closer compared to indonesia vs korea:crying::crying:

[bananakid]

I dont think its a problem even though malaysian choose not to lose like the korean...we almost beat china but unfortunately luck always not on our side..our score is closer compared to indonesia vs korea:crying::crying:

If athletes are satisfied with a semi-final appearance, then there is no hope for them to ever win anything. a closer score that indicates "you lose" really doesn't make any difference.. it still means "you lose".

[eaglehelang]

I would agree with the high-lighted portion. I would not lose intentionally myself in any tournament, but the fact that some people calling the "intentional" losing STRATEGY unethical is then a different issue.

Now... your assumption of LWW/CTF could beat CY/FHF has no basis to it, but only your opinion, so that really is not a good argument at all... or else I could just argue that if LD won his match, then Malaysia would have lost 3-0 to China.

Not assumption, it's prediction based on head-to-head, etc

Ppl were also of the opinion Fuzzy pair could not take the pressure i.e. win against Guo/Xie. Yap KH indicated they need more experience as a pair implying he not confident with Fuzzy, so I was surprised they end up fielding Fuzzy pair. History showed they fail badly when under pressure but today dunno what fire got into them, they took the 2nd pt.

CTF/LWW have a 6-3 head to head against Fu/Cai. KKK/TBH is 2-2. CTF/KKK would have been stratch pair to surprise the opponent, they were very confident against Japan, Msia was under pressure then as higher seed country. Against China, they were under less pressure - Msia target for TC team was Semi FInal.
I think BAM did that to put less pressure on the team - as seen even here in TC the players perform better when less pressure or underdog (MD switching partner, up against favourites China).

% of winning uncles against Fu/Cai or uncle/youngie against Fu/Cai is higher, not 100%, but at least 60%.
KKK/TBH vs Fu/Cai was 50%

[Han]

Is Li Mao tagging along with Team Korea in this trip? If he is then Lin Dan will be very nervous to see Li Mao sitting so close to the court side. Li Mao should bring along a toy helmet to crack the ice :D

[bananakid]

Not assumption, it's prediction based on head-to-head, etc

Ppl were also of the opinion Fuzzy pair could not take the pressure i.e. win against Guo/Xie. Yap KH indicated they need more experience as a pair implying he not confident with Fuzzy, so I was surprised they end up fielding Fuzzy pair. History showed they fail badly when under pressure but today dunno what fire got into them, they took the 2nd pt.

CTF/LWW have a 6-3 head to head against Fu/Cai. KKK/TBH is 2-2. CTF/KKK would have been stratch pair to surprise the opponent, they were very confident against Japan, Msia was under pressure then as higher seed country. Against China, they were under less pressure - Msia target for TC team was Semi FInal. I think BAM did that to put less pressure on the team.

% of winning uncles against Fu/Cai or uncle/youngie against Fu/Cai is higher, not 100%, but at least 60%.
KKK/TBH vs Fu/Cai was 50%

It is still an assumption no matter how you put it, because it just DIDN'T HAPPEN, and you have no facts to support your opinion... so it is still an ASSUMPTION.

You assume/predict that it will happen the way you think it will happen, but it will never happen, because the matches are all over already. The fact remains that China won 3-2

[drifit]

Is Li Mao tagging along with Team Korea in this trip? If he is then Lin Dan will be very nervous to see Li Mao sitting so close to the court side. Li Mao should bring along a toy helmet to crack the ice :D

didnt notice him...............:rolleyes:

[xsakurax]

If athletes are satisfied with a semi-final appearance, then there is no hope for them to ever win anything. a closer score that indicates "you lose" really doesn't make any difference.. it still means "you lose".

for me if u lose with a close fight nothing to be ashamed....but that's just me..pls dun fire me:)

[Han]

no need so serious la..:D
if really can't, jz separate them apart...;)
may be they are good when they are not getting together...:p

They are not playing their best but still are the world class top notch MD. You win some and you lose some, is part of the game. Korean look unbeatable now just like KKK/TBH a year ago but does it matter? When Olympic comes, that's what it really counts. Sabah, if they don't win Olympic then we will "goreng" them!

[shyeling]

for me if u lose will a close fight nothing to be ashamed....but that's just me..pls dun fire me:)
agree..
competition sure will got loser and winner.. if every one want to win, nobody become the loser then how??

[edwin]

How serious is Chen Jin's injury? He doesn't need to play tomorrow. Will there be any chance that 1 rest day will give him the time to recover (providing the injury isn't too serious)?

[drifit]

for me if u lose with a close fight nothing to be ashamed....but that's just me..pls dun fire me:)

for this reason, no one shall be blame.
sports, either win or lose
shall be fair and sportsmanship.......

[ren_di]

i was so sad when i heard INA team lose. but this is a game , we have to accept the result. and as an Indonesian, i will always support our player, even if they lose. this is not the end of the world.

for all INA fans, don't be so sad, we still have our INA uber team to support, cheer up and support them..



INDONESIA!!!!!

[bananakid]

for me if u lose with a close fight nothing to be ashamed....but that's just me..pls dun fire me:)

There is nothing to be ashamed of, as long as best effort is given... but then one should improve over time and not be satisfied with "losing closely", so one day one might have a chance of winning.:cool:

[drifit]

Sabah, if they don't win Olympic then we will "goreng" them!

why is that state going to do about this matter?
is Sabah more famous of frying food?? :D

[phaarix]

If athletes are satisfied with a semi-final appearance, then there is no hope for them to ever win anything. a closer score that indicates "you lose" really doesn't make any difference.. it still means "you lose".

Yeah so technically you lose... But that's only in a very literal sense. And I really think that the same could be said for athletes who AREN'T ever satisfied with a semi-final appearance. If you don't ever feel good about yourself I don't think you're likely to make it far. Most people take things in steps... That said, Malaysia DID miss a big chance. But nevertheless can be considered winners in their own right!

[bananakid]

for this reason, no one shall be blame.
sports, either win or lose
shall be fair and sportsmanship.......

If you ask any REAL champion.. they will tell you that in PROFESSIONAL sport, winning is the #1 priority, but must be accompany by fairness and sportsmanship. Losing with fairness and sportsmanship still doesn't change the fact that "you lose" and definitely don't make you a winner literally.

[xsakurax]

There is nothing to be ashamed of, as long as best effort is given... but then one should improve over time and not be satisfied with "losing closely", so one day one might have a chance of winning.:cool:

yeah but how u know we are not going to improve in the future?i'm sure the players will try their best next time to increase the chance of winning..:)

[drifit]

If you ask any REAL champion.. they will tell you that in PROFESSIONAL sport, winning is the #1 priority, but must be accompany by fairness and sportsmanship. Losing with fairness and sportsmanship still doesn't change the fact that "you lose" and definitely don't make you a winner literally.

yes.
hardly anyone will remember or get notice the number 2
2nd man on moon?

[pauline]

I personally don't think what Korea did was such a big deal (actually seemed kinda fun), I mean they still had to win when it mattered didn't they? They're still going to have to go up against China eventually. But it also really has very very little to do with intelligence... >_>. That's just silly. Not to mention Malaysia did very well (and could have done better, but not I think by avoiding China in the semifinals - by fielding a proper doubles line-up hah).
yea,yea,yea....I'm in total agreement...:)

[shyeling]

yes.
hardly anyone will remember or get notice the number 2
2nd man on moon?
don't copy the advertisement pls...:D:D:D
hahaha...

[eaglehelang]

It is still an assumption no matter how you put it, because it just DIDN'T HAPPEN, and you have no facts to support your opinion... so it is still an ASSUMPTION.

You assume/predict that it will happen the way you think it will happen, but it will never happen, because the matches are all over already. The fact remains that China won 3-2

ok, ok. China won 3-2, no upset, but not the end of the world ;) cos China is defending champs. The lost to Denmark in 2006, that one was...... the players & coaches really got hammered then.

Although you may take it as unitelligient, there's also other factors that the decision makers had to take into account.

Korea did not have to factor in all this so much, they never won TC bf, so what the heck, they've got nothing to lose. If Msia did that & lost Denmark in QF, there would have been loads of hammering, heads will roll in BAM. Seriously this will happen, as NSC DIrector has dislike towards Yap Kim Hock & have said some not nice things about Yap in the media.

Now, they hold their head high & say they did not intentionally lose during group match & bravely fought China.

[xsakurax]

yup...i think if we take the same road as the korean and lost to denmark i'm absolutely sure some of u will say that malaysian is stupid for intentionally to lose in group stage rather than having a fight with china just like what eagle said just now!no matter what there will always fight here and there :(:(

[drifit]

don't copy the advertisement pls...:D:D:D
hahaha...

how about runner up for TC 20 years ago?
this is the fact..... not only advertisement ;)

[shyeling]

how about runner up for TC 20 years ago?
this is the fact..... not only advertisement ;)
20 yrs ago?? 1988??
m'sia is the runner up..

[drifit]

20 yrs ago?? 1988??
m'sia is the runner up..

good memory?
or good searching? .... :D

[jason_tiger]

We should pay attention to Park and LHI of Korea, they have been improving so much and as good as LD, BCL and LCW.
Watch out!

[Dato A]

what are you suggesting? drop KKK-TBH? they are after all still in the top5. dropping them at this point in time will be stupid.

Simple. Let others to replace their place in olympic. Thats all.

Fuzzy pair need exposure and they can go further.

Stupid or not depends on how u see the things my dear.

[volcom]

We should pay attention to Park and LHI of Korea, they have been improving so much and as good as LD, BCL and LCW.
Watch out!
LHI will retire soon and I think also SSM

[Han]

When Korean first did the intentional lost to Malaysia and UK in order to avoid China, many fan and even BWF think the role should be amended to avoid the same future occurrence. And now that Korea have advanced this far, I think the same role should be kept as flexibility in strategy should be part of the team event to make it more suspense and exciting.
In NBA, there's "hack-a-shaq", ugly but part of the game.
Anyone agree with me?

[Dato A]

They are not playing their best but still are the world class top notch MD. You win some and you lose some, is part of the game. Korean look unbeatable now just like KKK/TBH a year ago but does it matter? When Olympic comes, that's what it really counts. Sabah, if they don't win Olympic then we will "goreng" them!

We are bored hearing of this kind of excuses already. No more excuses please.:mad::mad:

[ctjcad]

When Korean first did the intentional lost to Malaysia and UK in order to avoid China, many fan and even BWF think the role should be amended to avoid the same future occurrence. And now that Korea have advanced this far, I think the same role should be kept as flexibility in strategy should be part of the team event to make it more suspense and exciting.
In NBA, there's "hack-a-shaq", ugly but part of the game.
Anyone agree with me?
...i don't see any reason why the KOR's squad would have to rely on such approach. IMO, they probably could take down the mighty CHN if they would have met before the Final. They're meeting CHN anyway..?!?!..

[badMania]

Okay...didn't watch the Taufik vs Lee Hyun Il match because I already knew that Lee will wrap it up pretty quickly, given Taufik's wretched form. Dinner time for me.

Korea totally deserves the 3-0 victory over INA. Overall, they are more balanced and complete as a team. Park Sung Hwan just never gives up and his stamina is so good. Lin Dan will have a problem containing him on Sunday.

Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae have indeed improved a lot in these 3 mths. To think that they lost to Luluk/Alvent in front of their home crowd in late January and now, they are easily the favorite for the Gold Medal at the Beijing Olympics. Thanks to the hard work by Ha Tae Kwon, whom IMHO has really transformed the KOR pair from a good pair into a solid and excellent pair.

Their defense is so damn hard to break down lately and even Kido/Hendra admitted in Kompas that the INA pair still has work to do in this aspect. The INA pair played relatively well in the first and second set, but, Hendra was not confident enough facing the inspired Lee Yong Dae. And once again, ye333 is spot on with his previous analysis that the INA pair still lacks that situational awareness. Look at how they easily lost their way once the KOR pair went from 6-4 to 11-4 in just a matter of seconds.

What can I say about Lee Yong Dae..he's totally brilliant and keeps on improving. In the WC, u can see that the lad made lots of errors, but, today, he was really the man of the match in the MD contest. His dominance over the net actually intimidated Hendra and that was the key factor!

I hope the INA pair can regroup themselves and focus on their weakness. There's still some time to go before the Beijing Olympics.

[ctjcad]

...has its work cut out for the coming Olympics..:) ;)..
*I, too, was knocked out (didn't follow the rest of the matches), just like the INA TC team.....:)

[badMania]

...has its work cut out for the coming Olympics..:) ;)..

It's okay....they played badly only in the third set and could have won it if Hendra kept his unforced errors down in the first set.

Disappointed yes...but it's not the end of the world. They still have plenty to work on anyway.

[Han]

We are bored hearing of this kind of excuses already. No more excuses please.:mad::mad:

Who do you have in mind to replace KKK/TBH? I am more than happy to listen.

[Han]

...i don't see any reason why the KOR's squad would have to rely on such approach. IMO, they probably could take down the mighty CHN if they would have met before the Final. They're meeting CHN anyway..?!?!..

The different is now Chen Jin no longer available(or less effective) in the Final against the Korean, and Korean MD2 and MS3 also well rested. You take whatever way to enhance your chance of winning, nothing wrong with that.

[eaglehelang]

Who do you have in mind to replace KKK/TBH? I am more than happy to listen.

He means Fuzzy pair - Zakry/Fairuz. They're in top 16
Remember Rexy was pissed off after Swiss Open & threaten not to send KKK/TBH for OG?

[Han]

He means Fuzzy pair - Zakry/Fairuz. They're in top 16
Remember Rexy was pissed off after Swiss Open & threaten not to send KKK/TBH for OG?

Is the decision Rexy has to deal with, if he think Zakry/Fairuz has better chance then go for it but be prepare when backfire. I think our 3 MDs are very solid, have almost equal potential winning the title in Olympic.

[eaglehelang]

eagle....better send fuzzy pairs.....:D:D:D:D:Dto OG

I understand you all pissed off KKK/TBH lost the match, thus Msia lost to China. Fuzzy pair like I said in the other thread, are still Fuzzy at times - they havent won any titles yet, at 25 y.o. We shall see.

Sending them to such an important tourney as OG, is risky, Rexy will be taking a gamble, like Han said, it may backfire - has happened to Fuzzy bf. ie. WC 2007, Taiwan 2007, HK 2007. Rexy has till July to decide.

If KKK/TBH go & fail, it'll be their own fault. If Fuzzy go & fail, it'll be Rexy's fault for sending unproven pair. Anyway, we say also no point, maybe in the end will be KKK/TBH & Fuzzy go, no need to argue.

[reiko80]

I am with you Reiko80.:D:D
hoorrrraaaaaayyyyyyyyyy doto'..................................:D:D:D

[reiko80]

I understand you all pissed off KKK/TBH lost the match, thus Msia lost to China. Fuzzy pair like I said in the other thread, are still Fuzzy at times - they havent won any titles yet, at 25 y.o. We shall see.

Sending them to such an important tourney as OG, is risky, anyway, Rexy has till July to decide.
seems like kkk/tbh not improve well.................:D:D:D

[limsy]

seems like kkk/tbh not improve well.................:D:D:D

nope...their plays are under other country double coach microscope...

[Dato A]

I understand you all pissed off KKK/TBH lost the match, thus Msia lost to China. Fuzzy pair like I said in the other thread, are still Fuzzy at times - they havent won any titles yet, at 25 y.o. We shall see.

Sending them to such an important tourney as OG, is risky, Rexy will be taking a gamble, like Han said, it may backfire - has happened to Fuzzy bf. ie. WC 2007, Taiwan 2007, HK 2007. Rexy has till July to decide.

If KKK/TBH go & fail, it'll be their own fault. If Fuzzy go & fail, it'll be Rexy's fault for sending unproven pair. Anyway, we say also no point, maybe in the end will be KKK/TBH & Fuzzy go, no need to argue.

RISKY is better than NO HOPE!!:D:D

[eaglehelang]

RISKY is better than NO HOPE!!:D:D

Ha ha, Dato, easy for you & me to say, we not the coach, job not on the line.

Got hope, got hope.
Risky means Fuzzy got their syndrome & choke like WC 2007. To me, Fuzzy are ok only, but not lethal enuf, even at their best. KKK/TBH at 90% of their best can be lethal. Anyway, whichever pair Rexy chooses, will still cheer for them during OG.

Like I said, maybe end up KKK/TBH & FUzzy are the ones have to go, if uncles sick or injured (like today), so then no need to discuss

[narnia]

...i don't see any reason why the KOR's squad would have to rely on such approach. IMO, they probably could take down the mighty CHN if they would have met before the Final. They're meeting CHN anyway..?!?!..

They just wanted to defeat all the strong teams!!!
:D

[Krisna]

Okay...didn't watch the Taufik vs Lee Hyun Il match because I already knew that Lee will wrap it up pretty quickly, given Taufik's wretched form. Dinner time for me.

Korea totally deserves the 3-0 victory over INA. Overall, they are more balanced and complete as a team. Park Sung Hwan just never gives up and his stamina is so good. Lin Dan will have a problem containing him on Sunday.


I am SOOO dejected right now! If all INA need to do is get a 0-3 score, next time let me, Hau-ge, badMania, and ctjcad play instead of the national team!!!! :p Just kidding... ;) KOR was awesome. All the INA fans knew it coming into the matchup... :o I told my friends that we might actually loose 0-3 tonight, but most didn't believe me. unfortunately I was right this time... :crying:

[madbad]

MAS fans should drop their knee jerk reactions calling for banishment of a player/pair/coach every time he/she doesn't win. In this case KKK/TBH were, admittedly, off colour, but did you see the way Fu/Cai played? They played smart, strategic badminton that neutralized the MAS pair. Today, they would have beaten anyone MAS threw at them.

MAS still has a couple of months to tinker with their pairs before the OG. You guys might be singing another tune if one of them does bring back a medal.

[madbad]

I already knew KOR were strong. They handled INA with supreme confidence and displayed remarkable mental strength to block out the crowd. IN MD1, most pairs would have melted away after the Markis/Hendra comeback in game 2, but not our precocious LYD and partner JJS. They took it to another level as instead, it was the INA duo that wilted. Too much home pressure maybe? After that even local hero Taufik would not hold back the Korean tsunami.

The final with CHN points to a close affair. If MAS could push CHN to the limit, KOR could well win it.

[Dato A]

Ha ha, Dato, easy for you & me to say, we not the coach, job not on the line.

Got hope, got hope.
Risky means Fuzzy got their syndrome & choke like WC 2007. To me, Fuzzy are ok only, but not lethal enuf, even at their best. KKK/TBH at 90% of their best can be lethal. Anyway, whichever pair Rexy chooses, will still cheer for them during OG.

Like I said, maybe end up KKK/TBH & FUzzy are the ones have to go, if uncles sick or injured (like today), so then no need to discuss

yES. Its easy for us to say this and that.

When mas team tied up with chn 2:2, we already know we'll lose. And Hafiz is going to play the deciding game. Why BAM / YKH still send Hafiz to play? Why dont send Arif to play? Bcos of Arif didnt win any title before, or he is still young and inexperienced? Or they still hoping miracles will happen?

If Rexy still send KKK/TBH instead of The Fuzzy, things r going to be as same as let Hafiz to play the deciding game against CHN yesterday.

iF KKK/TBH plays 2nd MD, they might win over the CHN PAIR. But XZB/GZD is not in the same class with them. They r in the same class win FHF/CY, the potential opponent in OG.

Send the best player to OG, thats for sure.

Anyway, i will support what Rexy decide without any prejudice.:D:D

p/s: Wait another four years? Fairuz will be 29y/o (correct me if i m wrong).

[Dato A]

MAS fans should drop their knee jerk reactions calling for banishment of a player/pair/coach every time he/she doesn't win. In this case KKK/TBH were, admittedly, off colour, but did you see the way Fu/Cai played? They played smart, strategic badminton that neutralized the MAS pair. Today, they would have beaten anyone MAS threw at them.

MAS still has a couple of months to tinker with their pairs before the OG. You guys might be singing another tune if one of them does bring back a medal.

May your wish come true...

Harry Potter is coming to badmintoncentral...:D:D

[madbad]

May your wish come true...

Harry Potter is coming to badmintoncentral...:D:D

I can only wish MAS and BAM the best of luck in finding a constructive solution to their dilemma.

[ctjcad]

The different is now Chen Jin no longer available(or less effective) in the Final against the Korean, and Korean MD2 and MS3 also well rested. You take whatever way to enhance your chance of winning, nothing wrong with that.
..the KOR squad's tactic, in trying to reach the Final, is reasonable & they have the right to do so. No complain from me. And maybe the KOR squad took the risk of having one of the above scenarios occurring.
In all, I just feel that what had happened this past week is just silly>>> i guess the fingers should be pointed to IBF/BWF who had more than 10 yrs to change the system.:p

They just wanted to defeat all the strong teams!!!
:D
..they didn't play the MAS in the Elimination Round (if one considers MAS as a "strong team"). Even lost to them in the Group play..;)

[economet]

Is Li Mao tagging along with Team Korea in this trip? :D

Li Mao is not there. Ahn Jae Chang is coaching the MS.

[george@chongwei]

why li mao is not with the team to Jakarta?
is it true that lee hyun ill had split with his coach?

[george@chongwei]

what can i sai about this HH??..
he is a **** !!!
with this such a big tournament, he didnt even take the shot nicely and din even give commitment to all his shot..
i was very very angry with him yesterday...!!!
he think he is playing in the training..!!!

[jasonmarc]

what can i sai about this HH??..
he is a **** !!!
with this such a big tournament, he didnt even take the shot nicely and din even give commitment to all his shot..
i was very very angry with him yesterday...!!!
he think he is playing in the training..!!!

What to say anymore....this is a typical HH.........BAM shd let go of HH......bring up...the youngster........its time to groom more Single players.....MAS is lacking at this moment.....;)

[george@chongwei]

What to say anymore....this is a typical HH.........BAM shd let go of HH......bring up...the youngster........its time to groom more Single players.....MAS is lacking at this moment.....;)
i think better BAM call me go and play !!(erm, i can play better than HH imo)
haha, juz kidding:D

[Han]

What to say anymore....this is a typical HH.........BAM shd let go of HH......bring up...the youngster........its time to groom more Single players.....MAS is lacking at this moment.....;)

I think there will be major changes after the Olympic, I think the KKK/TBH combo no longer effective, these two superstars is getting too big to accommodate one another and Rexy sense it so are we. Many of the junior will be brought to national team to replace the veteran. As long as team Malaysia gets stronger for the long run, I am more than willing to take the shot term setback.

[Jessica]

What to say anymore....this is a typical HH.........BAM shd let go of HH......bring up...the youngster........its time to groom more Single players.....MAS is lacking at this moment.....;)
Hmm..jason,yesterday i really feel sad ler..We was so close to the final..Sigh..:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[eaglehelang]

yES. Its easy for us to say this and that.

1) When mas team tied up with chn 2:2, we already know we'll lose. And Hafiz is going to play the deciding game. Why BAM / YKH still send Hafiz to play? Why dont send Arif to play? Bcos of Arif didnt win any title before, or he is still young and inexperienced? Or they still hoping miracles will happen?

If Rexy still send KKK/TBH instead of The Fuzzy, things r going to be as same as let Hafiz to play the deciding game against CHN yesterday.

2) iF KKK/TBH plays 2nd MD, they might win over the CHN PAIR. But XZB/GZD is not in the same class with them. They r in the same class win FHF/CY, the potential opponent in OG.

Send the best player to OG, thats for sure.

Anyway, i will support what Rexy decide without any prejudice.:D:D

p/s: Wait another four years? Fairuz will be 29y/o (correct me if i m wrong).

1) Hafiz did well in 2002 & 2006 in TC. Hafiz does well in team events. Hafiz beat Bao Bao in ABC in APril 2008, so they went with Hafiz. Arif, remember we already discuss this - someone said they dont want Arif to become another KBH, career before really take off the ground already go down cos of TC loss in 2006.

Or should we go back to why didnt BAM choose Lee TS from KLRC as 4th MS? COuld he have won?

2) Maybe that's why TBH got rattled, with the thought of playing MD1, originally he wasnt fielded, supposed to be KKK/CTF. Rexy said to the media this time TBH didnt play well, I think it's the "nervous" syndrome, Fuzzy pair pass their syndrome to KKK/TBH & KKK/TBH pass their fire to Fuzzy pair :p.

Fuzzy pair, esp Fairuz, had problems with this syndrome the whole of 2007, severely critised by Rexy. The syndrome was still going on during Msia & Korea Open 2008. Took them more than a year as a pair (& years before that as players) to make a break thru in major event. - Rexy was confident enuf to field them as MD1, they beat Fu/Cai last year in CHina Open.

Btw, GUo/Xie will be going OG as 2nd China pair. If follow draw, higher possibility for KKK/TBH to meet Guo/Xie. They will not meet higher seed FuCai till later, depending which half of the draw they're in.

And yes, now both Courageous Shortie & Fuzzy Fairuz are 25, 4 more years they're 29. At 25 only finally, get to go & play 1st TC, been waiting in the wings long time. Dont get me wrong, I'm glad our 3rd MD pair (will be 2nd pair after uncles retire) got some break thru over their syndrome

Nvm, we wait & see Rexy decision in 2 mths time. which ever pair Rexy choose we cheer loud loud during OG :D. You're a Dato', cheer extra terror.

As for KKK/TBH split after OG= perhaps TBH needs a more patient & experienced senior that will encourage him & guide him - sthing like how CCM was with KKK. TBH still is tentative, stime I think, other than outside criticism, he's afraid of not playing well & pissing off KKK.
If it goes on, their future is best with other partners, not uncles of course, as one BCer suggested, maybe he dunno know uncles going to retire after OG.

[eaglehelang]

What to say anymore....this is a typical HH.........BAM shd let go of HH......bring up...the youngster........its time to groom more Single players.....MAS is lacking at this moment.....;)

Patience, patience, they're doing that for MS after OG. TCS, Chong Wei Feng, Arif some back-up MS will be promoted to senior squad.

TCS & Arif, be ready to take the challenge in 2010.

[weeyet]

yES. Its easy for us to say this and that.

When mas team tied up with chn 2:2, we already know we'll lose. And Hafiz is going to play the deciding game. Why BAM / YKH still send Hafiz to play? Why dont send Arif to play? Bcos of Arif didnt win any title before, or he is still young and inexperienced? Or they still hoping miracles will happen?

If Rexy still send KKK/TBH instead of The Fuzzy, things r going to be as same as let Hafiz to play the deciding game against CHN yesterday.

iF KKK/TBH plays 2nd MD, they might win over the CHN PAIR. But XZB/GZD is not in the same class with them. They r in the same class win FHF/CY, the potential opponent in OG.

Send the best player to OG, thats for sure.

Anyway, i will support what Rexy decide without any prejudice.:D:D

p/s: Wait another four years? Fairuz will be 29y/o (correct me if i m wrong).

Arif is a junior player, he is not in the same class with Chen Jin, or even Joachim Persson, no matter how tough his mentality is, it's near to impossible for Arif to take down Chen Jin. He can't even make past the Malaysian open qualifier 2008. I'll pick Hafiz, although his chances is slim, but he has greater possibility to put up surprise, summore he just defeated Bao last month

[ctjcad]

When Korean first did the intentional lost to Malaysia and UK in order to avoid China, many fan and even BWF think the role should be amended to avoid the same future occurrence. And now that Korea have advanced this far, I think the same role should be kept as flexibility in strategy should be part of the team event to make it more suspense and exciting.
In NBA, there's "hack-a-shaq", ugly but part of the game.
Anyone agree with me?

Korean proved their intelligence as well as the M'sian team for not choosing to lose in group stage. We may lose earlier before semi-final when meeting Den...Korea almost suffer a loss..

me.
I knew they hav adopted a good strategy despite the fact that everyone defames it.
Their strategy is sucessful if they can reach final by this way.
..After realizing that they've resorted to a similar approach before, in previous TC edition, i'm starting to realize that perhaps this is the only way the KOR squad believe they can have a chance of reaching the Final, or avoiding CHN til the last round, and winning it all. Perhaps all of the "traditional" badminton powerhouse nations (other than the infamous similar approach done by the INA squad in 1992) would not do this kind of approach.
...I think we should not be surprised anymore of the so called KOR's "intelligent" tactic and approach. They took the risk and all the pieces came to place.
..It's sinking in now.....And folks, don't be surprised if come the 2010 TC and CHN is the favorite again, the KOR squad will use this kind of tactic/approach, again. Yes, let them be & we better get used to it.:cool:

[wood_22_chuck]

How it works is, when there's an inclination or choice to do something deemed "unfair" to achieve a goal, say, an ill-advised U-turn, littering, and people choose to exercise that "freedom," then the governing body will enact a rule of law so there's a penalty for choosing that path.

In the football story of Indonesia and another team tanking a game to avoid meeting Vietnam in a football match, there were severe penalties to the people involved.

It's a lesson to BWF to close the loophole.

-dave

[Pemuda]

Arif is a junior player, he is not in the same class with Chen Jin, or even Joachim Persson, no matter how tough his mentality is, it's near to impossible for Arif to take down Chen Jin. He can't even make past the Malaysian open qualifier 2008. I'll pick Hafiz, although his chances is slim, but he has greater possibility to put up surprise, summore he just defeated Bao last month

No matter which angle we look at it, we had no depth in our MS. WCH is past his sell by date while HH cant even be relied on to deliver pizza on time.

And coupled with our weak mentality, it was an uphill battle for us from the start against China.

I have said earlier, we should be realistic. Our chance to take that TC is never in Jakarta. Our best chance lies in the future. And with that I have maintained that we should have fielded the juniors like Arif etc especially in WCH and HH's place. Yes, they may be beaten BUT at least they get to experienced the TC which may be put to good use for our future campaigns.

Lets do away with our usual Malaysia Boleh excuses like "we got no one else other than WCH & HH" or "our juniors not ready or up to mark". Our government have invested a lot of money in badminton. And it is shameful despite all the effort, we still need to fall back on HH. If HH is a Chinese shuttler, LYB would have thrown him out years ago. BAM needs to be brave and discard all the favoritism. Develop the juniors and rate all shuttlers by performance.

And please lets not console ourselves with "the money injected into badminton mainly comes from sponsors" because sponsors such as Proton which is a GLC is still the rakyat's money. :rolleyes: Unless Fedex is sponsoring Malaysia (like China) then we can truly say our team is sponsored in the true sense of the word.

2010 is looking bleak for we dont have any outstanding juniors coming up that can be world beaters in 2 years time. And this is where we shot ourselves in the foot.

To digress a little, Malaysia finished last in field hockey for the Sultan Azlan Cup :(. Even Canada has now gone ahead of us. This is Malaysia Boleh la.

[koo_fan]

No matter which angle we look at it, we had no depth in our MS.
Isnt this clear enough?Optimistic,too is a factor.



To digress a little, Malaysia finished last in field hockey for the Sultan Azlan Cup :(. Even Canada has now gone ahead of us. This is Malaysia Boleh la


And this is beyond expectations.I think mirnawan will be crying seeing this.

[koo_fan]

what can i sai about this HH??..
he is a **** !!!
with this such a big tournament, he didnt even take the shot nicely and din even give commitment to all his shot..
i was very very angry with him yesterday...!!!
he think he is playing in the training..!!!
ME TOO!!!everyone watching is cursing him.why it is so hard to support him?

[koo_fan]

Anyway, i will support what Rexy decide without any prejudice.:D:D



This sound nice.Even if rexy drop kkk in a big tour after this,i found myself as able to accept that.
Owe an explanation of course.

[Pemuda]

And this is beyond expectations.I think mirnawan will be crying seeing this.

No, I dont think the result was beyond expectation. It just that other nations worked diligently to improve while we focused on rhetorics like Malaysia Boleh.

[llpjlau]

No, I dont think the result was beyond expectation. It just that other nations worked diligently to improve while we focused on rhetorics like Malaysia Boleh.

i dont know how good malaysia is in field hockey but do you reckon they just literally sit back and relax in training shouting "malaysia boleh" ? if thats the case, then the whole sporting body in malaysia requires reform.

[ctjcad]

How it works is, when there's an inclination or choice to do something deemed "unfair" to achieve a goal, say, an ill-advised U-turn, littering, and people choose to exercise that "freedom," then the governing body will enact a rule of law so there's a penalty for choosing that path.

In the football story of Indonesia and another team tanking a game to avoid meeting Vietnam in a football match, there were severe penalties to the people involved.

It's a lesson to BWF to close the loophole.

-dave
...BWF is not finding more and more loopholes to close....hmm..:confused: :rolleyes::p

[eaglehelang]

The objective given by the powers that be to the badminton team is to win TC, not exposure for juniors. Exposure is smaller tourneys like SEA Games, individual events SS, GP, GP Gold.

The decision makers wouldnt have chosen Arif or any junior to play in an important tie unless the 1st 3 MS are injured. If they fielded a junior (when a senior is available) & lost, the coaches will be blamed & no amount of 'preparing juniors for future TC" reason will be accepted & heads will roll.
The case of inexperienced KBH crumbling in 2006 TC would be cited.
If they field a senior & lost, it's the senior's fault.

Even chosing Arif over the more experienced Lee TS as 4th single was questioned, BAM had to defend & say the main MS are experienced in TC and sending Arif is for future.
Now too, there are questions that Msia should have sent Lee Tsuen Seng as 4th MS to play CHen Jin, since Arif wouldnt win against CJ anyway. LTS at least got chance.

They cant say either "but we wont win the TC anyway", that would be construed as very negative thinking, more hammering will come.
There will pressure from NSC & SPorts Minister -> SEA Games 2007, NSC wanted BAM to send WMC, WPT/CEH for it to win gold. Initially BAM wanted to send all juniors,-> BAM had to relent, in the end WMC & CEH got injured, cannot go.
BAM sent mainly juniors for Sea Games, ended up worst result ever, only bronze, BAM had to take the heat for that.

So, as I stated in the other thread, unless the reason is no seniors/experienced players available, like our Uber team, no way the decision makers would send majority juniors for important team events like TC/Uber, it would be seen as suicidial & may cripple player's careers (the oft quoted example 'if they lose & end up like KBH').

And of course it would also be critised by many quarters as waste of taxpayers $$$ - would be seen as " huh? send all these rookies sure lose, if not intend to win, dont waste "rakyat $$$" sending".
Every country sent their best possible team, including those that have very little chance of going far in TC/Uber (US, NZ..)

[Pemuda]

i dont know how good malaysia is in field hockey but do you reckon they just literally sit back and relax in training shouting "malaysia boleh" ? if thats the case, then the whole sporting body in malaysia requires reform.

How good were Malaysia in hockey? We were once fourth in the world cup back in the 70s. Nations such as South Korea, Canada, Argentina, China, Belgium, NZ were easy pickings for Malaysia but now we count ourselves lucky not end up as punching bag against them.

Other than hockey, we were also pretty decent in football back in the 60s - early 80s. South Korea respected us back then when our national team was feared in Asia. Now, South Korea have gone on to play in the WC while we are struggling to beat the likes of Cambodia, Laos etc. Now, our football is infested with match fixing.

It is the same sad story in athletics too.

Well, there you have it. Malaysia Boleh!

[llpjlau]

How good were Malaysia in hockey? We were once fourth in the world cup back in the 70s. Nations such as South Korea, Canada, Argentina, China, Belgium, NZ were easy pickings for Malaysia but now we count ourselves lucky not end up as punching bag against them.

Other than hockey, we were also pretty decent in football back in the 60s - early 80s. South Korea respected us back then when our national team was feared in Asia. Now, South Korea have gone on to play in the WC while we are struggling to beat the likes of Cambodia, Laos etc. Now, our football is infested with match fixing.

It is the same sad story in athletics too.

Well, there you have it. Malaysia Boleh!

so there needs to be massive reforms. lets do it.

[Pemuda]

Win the TC with WCH & HH as our 2nd & 3rd MS???!!:o Wait a minute, lets be clear here. We are talking about the TC not some Looney Tunes trophy.

If BAM thinks that Malaysia has a chance to wrest the TC in Jakarta with WCH & HH, I believe we all know what happened in the semis. It was very painful watching WCH, I have said it earlier if it was a boxing match, the umpire would have stopped the bout after the 1st round! As for HH, let me put it this way, his sense of urgency is already legendary.

So, with the TC done and dusted for Malaysia. What did we actually achieved in this campaign??? That we know HH is unreliable?? Or WCH is already past it?

Our best shot in the TC lies in the future maybe if we had fielded our juniors in WCH & HH's slot, yes, our juniors may be beaten BUT at least they will leave Jakarta with the experience which we can put to good use in the future. This is what planning for the future is all about.

The next campaign is in 2010, by then LCW will most probably be around as our 1 MS. Well, who will occupy our 2nd & 3rd MS? HH again?? :o Our production line is almost running dry because if we dont expose our juniors they will never make that breakthrough.

We last won the TC in 92', now it is possible for us to go over 20 years. And that will be a pity for Malaysia.

[eaglehelang]

In Semi against China, the plan was Msia win 2 MD & 1 MS. THe focus was not on winning MS2 & MS3. This has already been confirmed by the coaches in press statements & covered in various posts here.

Fuzzy pair was supposed to be MD1, with their fiery play yesterday, very possible to have beaten FU/Cai, whom they beat bf in China Open 2007, that time FUzzy werent so fiery.

CTF/KKK was supposed to be MD2, stratch pair, ranked lower than FUzzy. Based on their form when facing Japan, should have no prob beating Nervy Guo/Xie. Too bad, CTF was down with fever/flu, LWW injured.

Rexy said the plan wasnt to field TBH. Rexy also said it was TBH not playing well that caused the lost. TBH had lost of confidence ever since lost in WC 2007, this time will be another dent to his confidence.

The reason for the lost was the lost of MD1(KKK/TBH) not the expected lost of MS3(Hafiz)


As already stated by Weeyet, Hafiz has beaten Bao bao in ABC in April 2008 - Bao is ranked higher than CJ, Hafiz beat Bao just 1 mth ago. On paper, Hafiz definetely has higher chance of matching CJ than Arif. Hafiz on Semi got nervous & that's it.

If Arif was fielded & already know will lose, Sports Minister & NSC & other decision makers will question - why send a rookie to play deciding tie, when know sure lose, if senior still got chance. If Hafiz played like he did when he beat Bao Bao, could have won, with CJ injured waist/back.
If field rookie, no chance = coaches fault.
Senior that did well 1 mth ago, flopped, player's fault, not BAM, senior got experience,


Aiyyooo, BAM did the planning for future thingy in 2006, KBH lost thus causing Msia to lose to Denmark 2-3, KBH never recovered, till today it's still mentioned. "Putting experience to good use" ended up with KBH's career never taking off.

Many, many, including CHeah Soon Kit questioned the wisdom of sending inexperienced Arif as 4th singles, and not experienced LTS - here again he mentioned KBH. THough Cheah is now with KLRC, he's experienced coach.

Bringing & fielding inexperienced KBH in 2006 was considered a costly mistake, so they would not allow BAM to do that.

Zakry/Fairuz although they are 1st timers, are experienced players at 25. Rexy field them also no choice, uncles both sick/injured
Even the risk taker Rexy would not field, say, youngsters Lim Khim Wah/Mak Hee CHun if seniors are available.

__________________________________________________ ___________
Next TC 2010, WCH already announce retiring - he himself said sorry for this 2008 one, he past his prime. Hafiz is considered out. TCS, Arif & hopefully Chong Wei Feng (beat CJ in India Open) will be promoted to senior squad aft OG 2008. Currently they're being sent to SS, GP Gold, GP same as seniors

TCS was in SEA Games 2007 team but didnt play cos injured. CHan KB played, not up to standard yet.

[Pemuda]

Even though the plan was to win the 1MS & 2 MD in the semis against China, common sense will dictate that a plan is still a plan. But by fielding WCH, who is past his prime and a consistently unreliable HH, Malaysia have thrown away 2 valueable points even before the start of the semis. It dont allow Malaysia much room to maneuver, and true enough when our 1 MD broke down, we found ourselves bundled out.

Whether HH have beaten BCL or not is another subject matter. When we look at consistency, we dont judge over one match i.e ABC. And do bear in mind the ABC was held in KL.

Well, if being questioned by the Sports Minister and NSC is the main concern then I guess we wont be getting our hands on that TC in the near future. As such, I wont be surprised to see us going maybe over 30 years. It is sad to see BAM is manned by lackeys who neither have the courage nor foresight to do the right thing. Korea, who used to be behind us in terms of badminton is now playing in the TC final. Maybe we should learn a thing or two from them.

[llpjlau]

reform is good. change everything for the better. start from the PM.

[eaglehelang]

It's goverment $$$$, of course Sports Minister has a say. NSC is BAM's boss, of course they have a say. The new Sports Minister calls BAM President almost everyday during TC/Uber to ask progress.

Plan is of course plan, if not due to CTF illness % of Msia winning 3-2 quite high.

LCW is only reliable MS, of course BAM knows that. Experienced MS, the rest not as good against CHina. What choice they have? Hafiz, LTS, Roslin, Sairol.

By fielding rookie Arif or TCS, as mentioned by others = no chance =ok, maybe 3 %.
By fielding Hafiz & WCH, what choice do they have ? = % is higher than rookie, maybe 20% for Hafiz. % still higher than rookie
By fielding Lee TS, Roslin, Sairol ? got some chance = % higher than rookie.

-> by fielding rookie = purposely setting oneself to lose in 2008. Senior at least got chance, rookie = no chance= waste of government $$$.

Not say never happen before, they keep mentioning the costly mistake in 2006 with KBH. If Arif fielded, lost (which is expected), and if he never recover, become another KBH, BAM/Yap Kim Hock/Rashid Sidek will be blamed as never learning from KBH mistake, as being cruel to junior.

Sending juniors = I already say, BAM did that with 2007 SEA Games, the juniors crumbled. If SEA Games they cannot handle, how to handle TC ?
BAM do have boldness to send juniors, stage by stage, if not, might break the juniors spirit totally, even worst if they quit the sport after that.

If dont want interfence from NSC & SPorts Minister, all players go to KLRC (which apparently pays better than BAM), all become privately funded, let Cheah Soon Kit train them.

[Pemuda]

... and may I ask who put the government in power?? :rolleyes:

And since its government's RM, it is ok la to send a WCH & HH?? :o

How can Malaysia's % of winning is high when we gave away our 2 & 3 MS?? :o Thats two points! And in a best of 5 tie, giving away 2 points dont put your % of winning as high. Elementary arithmetic will tell you that.

And lets stop kidding ourselves that Malaysia had a chance to win that TC. We dont have depth in our singles. Our best bet lies in the future thus we should have send some juniors to fill HH & WCH slot for them to gain experience. We are gonna get beaten anyway as such may as well get some experience so that we can mount a better challenge in the future.

[llpjlau]

the stupid people did. so i say we change the people as well. then the government can change. whatever, the government needs reform. from the top dog.

[koo_fan]

I guess we can all come back to one base point.Stop pointing fingers.Even if u are saying the truth.I could not see the outcomes.Help me out.

Ok.Reform.But in what way?
Bam set a clear target just before the tc.And it is semifinal.We gained it.
Whatever the decisions made during the tour,we achieved the target.
I bet olympic will be a better stage to do ur talks.

U could not hope the best from others when u are not giving the best to them