I foresee Korea having the best ever chance to win.
Mixed feeling, China has been dominating the sports, hope another team to win it, but Korea is not my favourite.

Anywa, lets see:-


China vs Korea

Lin Dan - Park Sung Hwan, 55-45.
Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng - Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae, 40-60
Bao Chunlai - Lee Hyun Il, 43-57
Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo - Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man, 30-70
Chen Jin - Shon Seung Mo, 60-40


I'd say that, whoever won the 2nd singles, will win the Thomas Cup. In this case, Korea stands a better chance, because Korea's MD2 and China's MS3 almost certainly to win.

Either Korea win it 3-0, or 3-1, they can never go to 3rd Singles

This is the best chance for Korea to win it.

China vs Korea

Lin Dan - Park Sung Hwan, 70-30
Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng - Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae, 60-40
Bao Chunlai - Lee Hyun Il, 70-30
Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo - Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man
Chen Jin - Shon Seung Mo

China vs Korea

Lin Dan - Park Sung Hwan, 70-30
Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng - Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae, 60-40
Bao Chunlai - Lee Hyun Il, 70-30
Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo - Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man
Chen Jin - Shon Seung Mo

it is lin dan 30-park70...park first beat lin dan 4 years ago when he was 20 at MO......park win 3 times and lin dan win 2 times...jung and lee will win it...hwang and lee will win too...

Guys... LYB already mentioned that Chen Jin injured his back during his match against Hafiz, and probably won't play in the final.:crying:

Chen Yu will probably be the 3rd MS.

Korea will win 3-2 with both MD and MS3 considering how poorly Chen Yu has been performing this entire year.

it is lin dan 30-park70...park first beat lin dan 4 years ago when he was 20 at MO......park win 3 times and lin dan win 2 times...jung and lee will win it...hwang and lee will win too...

err.... dont break my spell.....:p

Guys... LYB already mentioned that Chen Jin injured his back during his match against Hafiz, and probably won't play in the final.:crying:

Chen Yu will probably be the 3rd MS.

Korea will win 3-2 with both MD and MS3 considering how poorly Chen Yu has been performing this entire year.

It might some false news for Korea :D

It might some false news for Korea :D

LOL... I would then forever named LYB as my hero, if your assumption is right.:D

it is lin dan 30-park70...park first beat lin dan 4 years ago when he was 20 at MO......park win 3 times and lin dan win 2 times...jung and lee will win it...hwang and lee will win too...

If Lin Dan lost, it's over for China

Guys... LYB already mentioned that Chen Jin injured his back during his match against Hafiz, and probably won't play in the final.:crying:

Chen Yu will probably be the 3rd MS.

Korea will win 3-2 with both MD and MS3 considering how poorly Chen Yu has been performing this entire year.
No way... Chen Yu beat LHI in All-Englands. He's the type of player that if you give only one game instead of like 3 consecutive games, he'll come out with the goods as he can go all out just that one time, no need to conserve energy needed for his smash based game.

Lin Dan - Park Sung Hwan, 56-44
Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng - Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae, 40-60
Bao Chunlai - Lee Hyun Il, 53-47
Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo - Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man, 30-70
Chen Yu - Shon Seung Mo 50-50

Korea's first Thomas Cup...:cool:

Lin Dan - Park Sung Hwan, 56-44
Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng - Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae, 40-60
Bao Chunlai - Lee Hyun Il, 53-47
Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo - Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man, 30-70
Chen Yu - Shon Seung Mo 50-50

Korea's first Thomas Cup...:cool:

Monday, 19/05/08 is Korea's public holiday then...............:D

LYB predicted that CHN will win 3-0....

记者：您希望决赛上中国队对阵韩国还是印尼男队？
李永波：如果是我想谁就是谁的话，那我希望是越南、柬埔寨进决赛，呵呵。想没有用还是要看最后 的结果。
记者：那您预测一下中国队在决赛上的比分吧。
李永波：当然希望是3比0(用英语回答国外媒体的问题)。

http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2008-05-16/19293666698.shtml

But I say CHN will be humiliated in 0-3.... ROFL

LYB predicted that CHN will win 3-0....

记者：您希望决赛上中国队对阵韩国还是印尼男队？
李永波：如果是我想谁就是谁的话，那我希望是越南、柬埔寨进决赛，呵呵。想没有用还是要看最后 的结果。
记者：那您预测一下中国队在决赛上的比分吧。
李永波：当然希望是3比0(用英语回答国外媒体的问题)。

http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2008-05-16/19293666698.shtml

But I say CHN will be humiliated in 0-3.... ROFL

No way.... trust me :cool::cool:

Guys... LYB already mentioned that Chen Jin injured his back during his match against Hafiz, and probably won't play in the final.:crying:

Chen Yu will probably be the 3rd MS.

Korea will win 3-2 with both MD and MS3 considering how poorly Chen Yu has been performing this entire year.
It was waist injury instead of back injury.

李永波总教练对后天的决赛充满了信心，表示决赛中林丹的表现一定不会让大家失望，并且也透露了陈金在比赛中 腰部受伤仍打赢了比赛，这种拼搏精神值得表扬。

http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2008-05-16/19293666698.shtml

Anyway, I agreed with u that KOR will win over CHN 3-1 or 3-2.

It was waist injury instead of back injury.

李永波总教练对后天的决赛充满了信心，表示决赛中林丹的表现一定不会让大家失望，并且也透露了陈金在比赛中 腰部受伤仍打赢了比赛，这种拼搏精神值得表扬。

http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2008-05-16/19293666698.shtml

Anyway, I agreed with u that KOR will win over CHN 3-1 or 3-2.

Waist, back.. whatever... bottom line is Chen Jin is injured, and don't worry I will never be your doctor, so my knowledge of medical terms or Chinese translation is not important.

Is the order going to be: MS1, MD1, MS2, MD2, MS3 again? Or can they make the order something odd?

...come Sunday, as we shall see which team the crowd will lend its support to. The Koreans or.................the Chinese....;)

*Since most of the predictions now indicate the KOR will take down the mighty CHN, i still don't understand the thinking behind the KOR's squad approach in their group play: simply just to avoid CHN until the Final round. Win or lose, it's inevitable they will have to meet CHN?!?!?!.........Anyway...

If Lin Dan lost, it's over for China

of course he will...beating world no.1 at age of 20...is a big acheivement...right???

China will win, I have no respect for Korea using their strategy to get to the finals, China's singles players have the edge and FHF/CY seem to be playing better as of late....

CJ cannot finish even one not-that-hard match without triggering his injury... :(

It was waist injury instead of back injury.

李永波总教练对后天的决赛充满了信心，表示决赛中林丹的表现一定不会让大家失望，并且也透露了陈金在比赛中 腰部受伤仍打赢了比赛，这种拼搏精神值得表扬。

http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2008-05-16/19293666698.shtml

Anyway, I agreed with u that KOR will win over CHN 3-1 or 3-2.

If Lin Dan lost, it's over for China

Sounds familiar, but Malaysia still lost if memory serve me right :D I do agree Korea is slight better than Malaysia having Lee Hyun Il as MS2.

CJ cannot finish even one not-that-hard match without triggering his injury... :(

But he won the game nevertheless!! and it is a crucial one. I think you have really underestimated his ability. At this stage he can beat TH even with injury.

forget about reading Chinese players mind. i mean come on, how can one ever do it? when they look injured, they are not (ala CJ in HKO2007). and when they don't look injured, they are! (CJ in TC2008)

If china is putting CJ for the final, i am sure the injury wasn't that serious at all (or there isn't any to start with), just the LYB strategy to confuse opponent.

I really doubt that CJ could beat HH with back injury. He must be at his best or LYB wouldn't field him at ll.

Thomas Cup final:
CHN :KOR = 1:3
LD vs PSH -
CY/FHF vs LYD/JJS -

I really doubt that CJ could beat HH with back injury. He must be at his best or LYB wouldn't field him at ll.

he injured his waist during the match against HH.

Still amazed me how Korea make it to the first final. Losing to both Malaysia and ENgland in the early stage but now they are laughing their way into the final. LYB is having headache now i bet;)

Thomas Cup final:
CHN :KOR = 1:3
LD vs PSH -
CY/FHF vs LYD/JJS -

sorry incomplete post. it should be:

Two outcomes as i predict:
CHN: KOR = 1:3
LD beat PSH
CY/FHF lost to LYD/JJS
BCL lost to LHI
GZD/XZB lost to LJJ/HJM

or

CHN: KOR = 3:2
LD beat PSH
CY/FHF lost to LYD/JJS
BCL beat LHI
GZD/XZB lost to LJJ/HJM
CY or CJ beat SSM

Korea wont get my respect even though they win the cup

Sounds familiar, but Malaysia still lost if memory serve me right :D I do agree Korea is slight better than Malaysia having Lee Hyun Il as MS2.


I overrate Koo Tan :mad:

...come Sunday, as we shall see which team the crowd will lend its support to. The Koreans or.................the Chinese....;)

*Since most of the predictions now indicate the KOR will take down the mighty CHN, i still don't understand the thinking behind the KOR's squad approach in their group play: simply just to avoid CHN until the Final round. Win or lose, it's inevitable they will have to meet CHN?!?!?!.........Anyway...

It's a shame for a team to win the cup in such way, purposely lose all group matches

sorry incomplete post. it should be:

Two outcomes as i predict:
CHN: KOR = 1:3
LD beat PSH
CY/FHF lost to LYD/JJS
BCL lost to LHI
GZD/XZB lost to LJJ/HJM

or

CHN: KOR = 3:2
LD beat PSH
CY/FHF lost to LYD/JJS
BCL beat LHI
GZD/XZB lost to LJJ/HJM
CY or CJ beat SSM


most likely korea will win 3-1.
enuff of chn winning tc!!

Personally.. i think Korea have a high chance to win. I would support Korea also.

China 3-0 or 3-2, LD, BCL FHF/CY with 3 quick wins or 3-2, with two of the above winning and CJ or CY picking up the third point!

LOL... I would then forever named LYB as my hero, if your assumption is right.:D

You should change your BC handle to "bananaLYB" :D:D

LYB predicted that CHN will win 3-0....

记者：您希望决赛上中国队对阵韩国还是印尼男队？
李永波：如果是我想谁就是谁的话，那我希望是越南、柬埔寨进决赛，呵呵。想没有用还是要看最后 的结果。
记者：那您预测一下中国队在决赛上的比分吧。
李永波：当然希望是3比0(用英语回答国外媒体的问题)。

http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2008-05-16/19293666698.shtml

But I say CHN will be humiliated in 0-3.... ROFL

Your wordings are very misleading. LYB said he is HOPING not PREDICTING.

I am rooting on Korea too. And I rather think MS1 would be most important. Korea has a good chance if PSH create miracle again by beating LD and they will be likely to steal 1 pt from MD2 and 50:50 on MD1 and MS2.

Go Korea Go!

Ahhh??? :eek: You are not supporting China? :eek:

I am rooting on Korea too. And I rather think MS1 would be most important. Korea has a good chance if PSH create miracle again by beating LD and they will be likely to steal 1 pt from MD2 and 50:50 on MD1 and MS2.

Go Korea Go!

KOR is on a huge roll. They have played their cards right to get to the final (much to the displeasure of tactically naive fans ;)). CHN's not gonna back down, no way. If they are going to relinquish their crown, there's going to be collateral damage.

MS1: LD v PSH. Very close one to call. LD doesn't play well against PSH's style and his record shows. On the other hand PSH has been pushed to the limit in his last 2 matches and fatigue must be a factor. I say no way LD's going to lose 2 matches in a row. His pride won't let him. CHN 1 KOR 0

MD1: Fu/Cai v LJD/JJS. Another close one. Fu/Cai seem to have become more mature tactically and must be considered the best pair in the world. LYD/JJS are in one word, amazing. Anything you hit to them comes back at you. LYB will have prepared a solid game plan for Fu/Cai to tackle the Koreans. CHN 2 KOR 0

MS2: BCL v LHI. Both looked good yesterday in the demolition of their respective opponents. KOR will now be desperate and LHI will be throwing the kitchen sink at Bao in order to salvage the tie for KOR. And he'll just squeak it out. CHN 2 KOR 1

MD2: Xie/Guo v LJJ/HJM. Based on the pathetic schoolboy standard performance put up by the CHN pair, they are going to be flattened by a pair better than Fuzzy. Easy point for KOR. CHN 2 KOR 2

MS3: CJ or CY v SSM. A grand final fittingly comes down to the do-or-die-match. Will CJ be fit to play... is LYB playing mind games with all of us (again)? CY must be practicing like hell just in case. I'll say CJ would give his left nut to play. No way is he going to miss it. Which SSM will show up; the 2004 OG Silver medal or the washed up HH clone? If it does get to this stage, I must give the edge to CHN. It's time they showed they can complete the job against opposition of the highest calibre. FINAL SCORE CHN 3 KOR 2

And BTW, I'm a now big fan of the professional way KOR has approached this Thomas Cup tournament.

KO vs China is a great testing ground for lyb to gauge how threatening to his chinese players, and do some final tweaking before the OG. Win or lose doesnt matter, LYB wanna see what korea can put out at their redline rpm, or higher, if any.

Ahhh??? :eek: You are not supporting China? :eek:

Do a search on my previous posts, I don't support China all the time, it is only you who labeling me a Chinese supporter. Even when I clearly stated I support LHI during Korea Open. :(

Korea wont get my respect even though they win the cup
that will really bother them!

You should change your BC handle to "bananaLYB" :D:D

It is not going to be easy as I highly rate Lee Yong Dae as my most appreciated and respected personnel in professional badminton. LYD's talent and his maturity in the game at this early stage is just nothing less than AMAZING to me.

Li YongBo on the other hand is a genisus and a great strategist in my book.

Back to topic...
I strongly believe that Korea will win this year's Thomas cup... and in my opinion, the winner of the 1st MD match will determine the winner of the cup.

It is not going to be easy as I highly rate Lee Yong Dae as my most appreciated and respected personnel in professional badminton. LYD's talent and his maturity in the game at this early stage is just nothing less than AMAZING to me.

Li YongBo on the other hand is a genisus and a great strategist in my book.

Back to topic...
I strongly believe that Korea will win this year's Thomas cup... and in my opinion, the winner of the 1st MD match will determine the winner of the cup.

Yes, I have to agree Lee Yong Dae is something special, a prodigy if you will. It's been a while since I've seen someone influence a game of doubles (MD or XD). KOR doubles will go through another golden era.

As for the key match in the TC, I agree MD1 is the one. No one should underestimate Fu/Cai as they've gone about their business with the minimum of fuss. And that's always a dangerous thing.

I am rooting on Korea too. And I rather think MS1 would be most important. Korea has a good chance if PSH create miracle again by beating LD and they will be likely to steal 1 pt from MD2 and 50:50 on MD1 and MS2.

Go Korea Go!

By far, the best analysis.
Totally agree that MD1 and MS2 is 50-50.
But i think BCL has slightly edge against LHI.
May be 52-48?

Korea wont get my respect even though they win the cup

In light of the KOR vs CHN Thomas Cup final, Pemuda's statement is prophetic. The semifinals is the start of the Thomas Cup. Early rounds are jockeying for position.

BWF screwed up by providing a loophole. Exploited. Where's the condemnation on BWF?

KOR comes out as brilliant strategist, having (1) conserved energy and effort and (2) having a wildly fun time, in the group matches.

I'm sure many were waiting for KOR to falter in the quarters and semis, but they've juggernauted through to the finals.

Congrats to KOR.

Malaysia isn't ready to go beyond the semis. LCW is ready, the Thomac Cup 2008 Fairuz/Zakry was ready, but the rest are over the hill, as young as KKK/TBH currently are. A split for the pair has proven to rejuvenate either member (paired with experience, Choon Tan Fook), so let's see if Rexy explores this avenue in the future.

Indonesia with an out-of-shape Taufik was not ready either. Not with a rested KOR team waiting in the semis for them.

-dave

In light of the KOR vs CHN Thomas Cup final, Pemuda's statement is prophetic. The semifinals is the start of the Thomas Cup. Early rounds are jockeying for position.

BWF screwed up by providing a loophole. Exploited. Where's the condemnation on BWF?

KOR comes out as brilliant strategist, having (1) conserved energy and effort and (2) having a wildly fun time, in the group matches.

I'm sure many were waiting for KOR to falter in the quarters and semis, but they've juggernauted through to the finals.

Congrats to KOR.


what is said here is profound.

while there is official rule in ensuring that a player, once in court, should play with reasonable effort, there is no rule in place that says a team must field their best player in a team match.

as a result, from the technical point of view, KOR's strategy is legal.

from a strategic point of view, what other proof do we need than the fact that KOR has now earned a spot in the final?

Yes, I have to agree Lee Yong Dae is something special, a prodigy if you will. It's been a while since I've seen someone influence a game of doubles (MD or XD). KOR doubles will go through another golden era.

As for the key match in the TC, I agree MD1 is the one. No one should underestimate Fu/Cai as they've gone about their business with the minimum of fuss. And that's always a dangerous thing.

You are absolutely right.

Just like you said, Fu/Cai are also excellent players, too. In fact, I have always been impressed with Fu's out of the world smashes, and I am a big fan of him... but at the same time, I have to be neutral, and say that at this moment, the momentum is certainly on the side of LYD/JJS ever since AE08.

Both China and Korea players are very very "EXTREMELY" serious about team tournaments, and I expect nothing less than an epic battle.

I am betting on a Korean victory, but it wouldn't upset me at all if China is to win another Thomas cup.:p

I really doubt that CJ could beat HH with back injury. He must be at his best or LYB wouldn't field him at ll.

the word is that he got the injury halfway through the game..

...
Malaysia isn't ready to go beyond the semis. LCW is ready, the Thomac Cup 2008 Fairuz/Zakry was ready, but the rest are over the hill, as young as KKK/TBH currently are. A split for the pair has proven to rejuvenate either member (paired with experience, Choon Tan Fook), so let's see if Rexy explores this avenue in the future.

Indonesia with an out-of-shape Taufik was not ready either. Not with a rested KOR team waiting in the semis for them.

-dave
...but what would happen if it was M'sia which played against INA in the Semis, rather than against CHN??..Do you or does anyone else feel they have a chance to upset INA??..:confused:

Anyway, we won't know the answer and i hope if BWF doesn't change the TC & UC system, the MAS, or other teams, will do the same approach as the KOR squad did this yr, in 2 more yrs..Of course, the current teams might be different also in 2 yrs time..:cool:

Hi, this is my 1st post. try to search for latest news on TC, and found this forum. Nice forum indeed.

My concern about the Korean 'tactics', is that other theam will follow suit, and ppl start throw away games, this is what happen in Asean football in 1998.

.................................................. .............................................

This is from the infamous 1998 Asean Football Tiger Cup game between Thailand and Indonesia.

"Whoever won would get to face hot favourites Vietnam in the next round, so both teams tried to throw the match," "At 2-2 and with a few
minutes left, the Indonesians dropped all pretence and turned on their own
goal, now defended by Thai players.

"In injury time the Indonesian keeper-captain Mursyid Effendi 'saved' the
ball, turned round and thumped the ball into his own goal for a 3-2 final
result."

Justice was eventually served, however. For not only did Indonesia and
Thailand lose their semi-final games (to Singapore and Vietnam,
respectively) but both were also fined $40,000 for "violating the spirit of
the game." Meanwhile Mursyid Effendi was banned for life.

...
China vs Korea

Lin Dan - Park Sung Hwan, 55-45.
Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng - Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae, 40-60
Bao Chunlai - Lee Hyun Il, 43-57
Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo - Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man, 30-70
Chen Jin - Shon Seung Mo, 60-40
...
MS1-If it's the LD we saw in the Semis, it's PSH to take it all the way. Chances are, LD won't repeat the same thing. Crucial pt.
MD1-IMO, after what i've witnessed in FHF's & CY's match vs. KKK & TBH, this one is 50-50. I think FHF's & CY's defense and attacks are sharp.
MS2-50-50. It'll be another battle of the lefties.
MD2-KOR to take it.
MS3-Wow, 50-50. Should CJ recover in time, he'll take it.

Should be fun..:cool:

Hi, this is my 1st post. try to search for latest news on TC, and found this forum. Nice forum indeed.

My concern about the Korean 'tactics', is that other theam will follow suit, and ppl start throw away games, this is what happen in Asean football in 1998.

.................................................. .............................................

This is from the infamous 1998 Asean Football Tiger Cup game between Thailand and Indonesia.

"Whoever won would get to face hot favourites Vietnam in the next round, so both teams tried to throw the match," "At 2-2 and with a few
minutes left, the Indonesians dropped all pretence and turned on their own
goal, now defended by Thai players.

"In injury time the Indonesian keeper-captain Mursyid Effendi 'saved' the
ball, turned round and thumped the ball into his own goal for a 3-2 final
result."

Justice was eventually served, however. For not only did Indonesia and
Thailand lose their semi-final games (to Singapore and Vietnam,
respectively) but both were also fined $40,000 for "violating the spirit of
the game." Meanwhile Mursyid Effendi was banned for life.



This tactic is not invented by KoR. I remember INA used this tactic to China . I do not remember the exact year. China wanted to lose too but China won.

From a BC fan point of view, this is a strange final where they are going to cheer against one team rather than for one. It is indeed a very black and white issue. For some, they just can't bear the sight of CHN's dominance and crave for even the slightest crack in the great wall. For others, the farce created by KOR in the group matches has been deemed unforgivable.

As I have said before, I congratulate KOR for taking advantage of the rules and planning their strategy perfectly. Based on the strength of their squad, I'm delighted to see them take their rightful place in the final. However, I am first and foremost Chinese and hence will be donning red when the two teams clash tomorrow. GO CHINA

Whose side are you on?

..i thought you would stay neutral??....:confused: ;)

..i thought you would stay neutral??....:confused: ;)

Now if it was KOR in the Uber Cup final, you know where my allegiance lies...;););):D:D:D

Hmm... I choose KOR will beat CHN, either 3-0 or 3-1.

PSH will beat LD, LD little bit get the difficulties when he faced PSH. If I not mistake, he has beaten LD 1 or 2 times. This is the best opportunity for PSH to beat LD once again. He get high spirit after won from Sony in front of 10,000 supporters of INA.

LYD/JJS also is on fire. The opportunity is 50-50. With support from Indonesia people who watch the match (I think only 5% seat will be occupy, and you may get the tickets easily :P) and want to bring TC move out from CHN, LYD/JJS can get this match and 2-0 for CHN.

BCL vs LHI also 50-50. I think CHN will focus more in this match because the point of KOR is on LHI's shoulders. If LHI can win this match, than KOR will get the title. TC will have new champion!

HJM/LJJ vs XZB/GZ will play if score 2-1. I get the feeling that XZB/GZ will win. SO, KOR must avoid to play this match....

Hi, this is my 1st post. try to search for latest news on TC, and found this forum. Nice forum indeed.

My concern about the Korean 'tactics', is that other theam will follow suit, and ppl start throw away games, this is what happen in Asean football in 1998.

.................................................. .............................................

This is from the infamous 1998 Asean Football Tiger Cup game between Thailand and Indonesia.

"Whoever won would get to face hot favourites Vietnam in the next round, so both teams tried to throw the match," "At 2-2 and with a few
minutes left, the Indonesians dropped all pretence and turned on their own
goal, now defended by Thai players.

"In injury time the Indonesian keeper-captain Mursyid Effendi 'saved' the
ball, turned round and thumped the ball into his own goal for a 3-2 final
result."

Justice was eventually served, however. For not only did Indonesia and
Thailand lose their semi-final games (to Singapore and Vietnam,
respectively) but both were also fined $40,000 for "violating the spirit of
the game." Meanwhile Mursyid Effendi was banned for life.


guest what happen if both team want to lose during KOR - MAS match. the match will never ends! haha.
both player will try to give opponents points....

Well, my (wrong) judgement is based on

1. Your way of defending LD.
2. Your ID. It seems you understand Chinese.

Do a search on my previous posts, I don't support China all the time, it is only you who labeling me a Chinese supporter. Even when I clearly stated I support LHI during Korea Open. :(

I heard that it's 1992 TC.

This tactic is not invented by KoR. I remember INA used this tactic to China . I do not remember the exact year. China wanted to lose too but China won.

Malaysia isn't ready to go beyond the semis. LCW is ready, the Thomac Cup 2008 Fairuz/Zakry was ready, but the rest are over the hill, as young as KKK/TBH currently are. A split for the pair has proven to rejuvenate either member (paired with experience, Choon Tan Fook), so let's see if Rexy explores this avenue in the future.

-dave

Not to use this as an excuse, Rexy's original plan was using Fairzuzizuan/Zakry as MD1, and Koo Kien Keat/Choong Tan Fook as MD2

The Koreans seems to be in a very good form.
Honestly, I dunno which team should I support.
I never like China because of their arrogant Lin Dan & Li Yong Bo......
But....now, Korea use such dirty tactics in TC..... it made me so disappointed with them.... (I used to like the Korean players)....

However, here's my opinion:

Lin Dan - Park : 50-50
CY/FHF- LYD/JJS : 40:60
Bao CL - Lee HI : 40:60
GZD/XZB -HJM/LJJ : 45:55
Chen Jin - SSM : 60-40

This tactic is not invented by KoR. I remember INA used this tactic to China . I do not remember the exact year. China wanted to lose too but China won.

Indonesia and China used it in 1992, to avoid Malaysia in semifinal:cool: The result was Indonesia was better in throwing matches:cool:

Indonesia and China used it in 1992, to avoid Malaysia in semifinal:cool: The result was Indonesia was better in throwing matches:cool:

We are getting carried away here, it is 2008 TC final we should be talking about here.

We are getting carried away here, it is 2008 TC final we should be talking about here.

Sometimes we need to know some histories to support our comment:D

http://sports.sohu.com/20080516/n256909940.shtml

搜狐体育讯 北京时间5月16日，2008年汤姆斯杯进行了半决赛，中国队迎战马来西亚队。在双方战至2比2之后，陈金 在第五场关键之战中对阵哈菲兹，比赛进行到第二局，陈金腰伤复发，而且当时哈菲兹比分领先，而且场下的其他 大马球员已经发现了陈金出现异样。

　　“达到12分的时候，我们就已经发现陈金腰出现了问题了。当时李宗伟和黄综翰向场内比赛的哈菲兹大喊， 想让他知道。尽量让哈菲兹能跟陈金周旋，不用主动进攻，只要能够调动对手就可以了。”马来西亚队医说。当时 ，哈菲兹一度以13比8处于领先，此时陈金又出现伤病，对于大马来说绝对是个绝好的获胜机会。“但是我们不 确定在场边指导的米斯本（哈菲兹教练）是否听到了我们的声音，毕竟现场太吵了，我们想让李宗伟去告诉米斯本 ，但是在比赛进行当中，任何人都是不能随意靠近教练席的。”队医补充道。

　　赛后，当记者询问米斯本当时是否知道陈金出现腰伤时，米斯本点了点头。再追问为何不利用陈金的伤病乘胜 追击时，米斯本回答：“是哈菲兹自己的速度太慢了，陈金放慢了速度，而哈菲兹更慢，所以……”米斯本认为还 是哈菲兹自己并不如人意的表现导致了他的失败，“我对他的表现不满意。”（搜狐体育 陈书佳 曾珍发自雅加达）

My prediction -
MS1 LD - PSH 52-48
MD1 FHF/CY - LYG/JJS 49 - 51
MS2 BCL - LHI 49 -51
MD2 Xie/Guo - HJM/LJJ 40 -60
MS3 CY - SSM 51 - 49

therefore,
CHN 1 - 3 KOR !!!!! :)

http://sports.sohu.com/20080516/n256909940.shtml

搜狐体育讯 北京时间5月16日，2008年汤姆斯杯进行了半决赛，中国队迎战马来西亚队。在双方战至2比2之后，陈金 在第五场关键之战中对阵哈菲兹，比赛进行到第二局，陈金腰伤复发，而且当时哈菲兹比分领先，而且场下的其他 大马球员已经发现了陈金出现异样。

　　“达到12分的时候，我们就已经发现陈金腰出现了问题了。当时李宗伟和黄综翰向场内比赛的哈菲兹大喊， 想让他知道。尽量让哈菲兹能跟陈金周旋，不用主动进攻，只要能够调动对手就可以了。”马来西亚队医说。当时 ，哈菲兹一度以13比8处于领先，此时陈金又出现伤病，对于大马来说绝对是个绝好的获胜机会。“但是我们不 确定在场边指导的米斯本（哈菲兹教练）是否听到了我们的声音，毕竟现场太吵了，我们想让李宗伟去告诉米斯本 ，但是在比赛进行当中，任何人都是不能随意靠近教练席的。”队医补充道。

　　赛后，当记者询问米斯本当时是否知道陈金出现腰伤时，米斯本点了点头。再追问为何不利用陈金的伤病乘胜 追击时，米斯本回答：“是哈菲兹自己的速度太慢了，陈金放慢了速度，而哈菲兹更慢，所以……”米斯本认为还 是哈菲兹自己并不如人意的表现导致了他的失败，“我对他的表现不满意。”（搜狐体育 陈书佳 曾珍发自雅加达）

Translation please !

Translation please !

babel yahoo translator


Malaysian team doctor: Already discovered that the Chen Jin state has not informed Hafiz promptly

The Chinese team has met head-on the Malaysian team. In both sides fight after 2: 2, Chen Jin confronts Hafiz war in the fifth match, the competition carries on the second game, the Chen Jin waist wound recrudescence, moreover at that time the Hafiz score was in the lead. Under the field, other Malaysian player had already discovered Chen Jin presents the difference.

　　“At 12 point time, we already discovered that the Chen Jin waist had the problem. At that time Li Zongwei and Huang Zonghan shouted to Hafiz who competed to the field that wanted to let him know. Enables Hafiz as far as possible to socialize with Chen Jin, does not use the driving attack, so long as could transfer the match to be possible.”


The Malaysian team doctors said. At that time, Hafiz once by 13:8 was in the lead, this time Chen Jin appeared wounded and sick, is Malaysia's absolutely good opportunity to win. “But we indefinite on the court side instruct Misbun whether can hear our sound, the stadium was too noisy, we want to let Li Zongwei tell Misbun , but middle the competition carries on, anybody cannot approach the court.”The team doctor adds.


　　After the game, when reporter inquires Misbun by right should time whether to know when Chen Jin has the waist wound, Misbun nodded. Why presses again not when follows up a victory with hot pursuit wounded and sick using Chen Jin, Misbun reply: “Hafiz own speed has been too slow, Chen Jin slowed down the speed, but Hafiz was slower, therefore ......” the Misbun thought that Hafiz and the unsatisfactory performance has caused his defeat, “I was unsatisfied to his performance.”

Basically was talking about MAS team finding out that CJ re-injured himself during the second set, and wanted to tell HH to prolong the rallies instead of attacking. Misbun even admitted to knowing CJ's injury during the match and was not happy with HH's perfermance because CJ slowed down the pace in the second set but HH slowed down even more...

Basically was talking about MAS team finding out that CJ re-injured himself during the second set, and wanted to tell HH to prolong the rallies instead of attacking. Misbun even admitted to knowing CJ's injury during the match and was not happy with HH's perfermance because CJ slowed down the pace in the second set but HH slowed down even more...

Maybe Hafiz was happy that Chen Jin slowed down the match, but he didnt know about Chen's injury

Maybe Hafiz was happy that Chen Jin slowed down the match, but he didnt know about Chen's injury

According to one of the article I read, Misbun was aware and simply was not happy with Hafiz performance. Chen Jin slow down and Hafiz played even slower during that period of injury. Our failure mainly due to the lack of capable men's single, we need at least one more else the margin of victory is very narrow when facing top team.

Guys... LYB already mentioned that Chen Jin injured his back during his match against Hafiz, and probably won't play in the final.:crying:

Chen Yu will probably be the 3rd MS.

Korea will win 3-2 with both MD and MS3 considering how poorly Chen Yu has been performing this entire year.

What ever...it wont last till 3rd. MS........KOR may just finished CHN in 2nd MD......and the score will be 3 - 1....hehehehe :D

CJ have back injury.......i tot HH was beaten easily by CJ......so injury prone...

According to one of the article I read, Misbun was aware and simply was not happy with Hafiz performance. Chen Jin slow down and Hafiz played even slower during that period of injury. Our failure mainly due to the lack of capable men's single, we need at least one more else the margin of victory is very narrow when facing top team.

huh???...in badzine...misbun say that hafiz give his best of current form ler...

go korea go:p
hehe

huh???...in badzine...misbun say that hafiz give his best of current form ler...

'the best of current form....' such a low standard.....:rolleyes:

'the best of current form....' such a low standard.....:rolleyes:

yes. very low indeed.:D

Go China Go Cant Bear To See A Team Who Lose Everything In The First Round But Become A Champion

OMG..Nearly everyone in Mas team discover that Chen Jin suffered from injury but Hafiz Hashim still don't know..I am speechless,don't know what to say anymore.

England can be proud, because they can beat the finalist KOREA 4-1

Go Korea! the finals will definitely be the night to look out for.
GO LEE HYUN-IL!

My Vote is for Korea, Purely on the strength of the MD. They will force CHN to win all three MS games.

On the Other Hand CHN force KOR to win both MD matches though, but I still think MD have high chance to take theirs.

England can be proud, because they can beat the finalist KOREA 4-1


Yep, If KOR win, they we might as well say ENG won the TC....Hooray!!!

england can be proud of themselves in this time thomas cup...andrew smith manage to force sony to rubber set although he lost the match,,,
but overall england had a young squad..

OMG..Nearly everyone in Mas team discover that Chen Jin suffered from injury but Hafiz Hashim still don't know..I am speechless,don't know what to say anymore.
is it??
chen jin suffered from injury?
where do u heard the news?

OMG..Nearly everyone in Mas team discover that Chen Jin suffered from injury but Hafiz Hashim still don't know..I am speechless,don't know what to say anymore.
yeah, im rooting for korea to win this time thomas cup...their md is better than malaysia and indonesia or maybe china also nowadays..lol..
i think its becoz of thir coach factor, HA TEA KWON!

huh???...in badzine...misbun say that hafiz give his best of current form ler...

Ya kah? Maybe Misbun already cool down then. Misbun didnt say that to all the English & Malay press. He was disappointed, said that Hafiz 'wasnt fierce enuf' against CJ. Misbun knew head to head CJ had advantage, but wished Hafiz gave stiffer fight.
Misbun also got mixed feelings, one student won convincingly, another student also convincingly.... beaten by opponent.

Wow,the poll result is 50-50 now. I'm rooting for Korea, 2 strong MDs + 2 singles who are capable of beating China MS.
I believe they are the one who can stop China's dominance since 2004 in TC.

is it??
chen jin suffered from injury?
where do u heard the news?
George, George, George....

May I suggest u to do some readings before posting... The issue was mentioned earlier in this thread...

I hope that u don't post just to increase the number of posts.

robin, robin, robin
u know me mah..
im always lazy to read previous post furthermore im not posting this to increase the number of posts though!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

My preliminary predictions are:

Lin Dan vs. Park Sung Hwan - Park to win. I've seen him and Lin play in the semifinals. Park much more convincing. Plus Lin Dan's air of invincibility has been shattered. And hes on a confidence low. Park is coming in after a title and an unbeaten streak. And the head to head record favors Park. Need I say more?

Cai/Fu vs. Jung/Lee - Jung and Lee to win. Seen them both play. Jung/Lee won their game by beating the World Champs and World Number 1. Cai/Fu won their game by Koo and Tan losing it. The extraordinary Lee Yong Dae is another major factor here. Watch out for Jung and Lee, if you haven't already. I think they are set to dominate the MD stage. Or at least Lee Yong Dae will, no matter who hes playing with.

Bao Chunlai vs. Lee Hyun Il - Seen them both play. Both impressive. But Hyun Il's win against Taufik was spectacular. Bao's win against Wong, was, well, a win. Nothing spectacular, good basics - groundstrokes, footwork, but cannot be compared with the, to quote Gillian Clark 'authoritative' performance by Hyun Il. Hyun Il was literally bossing the reigning Olympic Champion round the court, and there was little Istora Senayan could do about it.

Guo/Xie vs. Hwang/Lee - Guo and Xie were unconvincing on Friday. Clearly rattled, clearly not comfortable and crumbling under pressure. Have not seen Hwang and Lee play, but judging by past performances, Guo and Xie will be swept under the rug in this game, if it comes that far, which I doubt.

MS3 - No idea who is playing :).

Wow,the poll result is 50-50 now. I'm rooting for Korea, 2 strong MDs + 2 singles who are capable of beating China MS.
I believe they are the one who can stop China's dominance since 2004 in TC.

interesting how very few ppl voted for Korea in the previous poll:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43698

but yet now we have a 50-50 split.

DW tomorrow China will show it's might

DW tomorrow China will show it's might

I doubt it. Korea is too strong.

Imagine Li Yongbo's face when they lose... And he said it was a stroll for China this year!

I bet Li Mao would think: seeing LYB's face makes everything worthwhile :p:p:p

England can be proud, because they can beat the finalist KOREA 4-1


Cheap thrill! :)

I predict KOR to win 3-1. They will win MD1, MS2, MD2. They will lose the MS1.

And MS3 will not be played.

I doubt it. Korea is too strong.

Imagine Li Yongbo's face when they lose... And he said it was a stroll for China this year!

I bet Li Mao would think: seeing LYB's face makes everything worthwhile :p:p:p

Korea is strong but you make it sounds like immortal, not very good being too confident. China's ability is never being doubted.

which channel to stream now? when are the matches starting?

interesting how very few ppl voted for Korea in the previous poll:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43698

but yet now we have a 50-50 split.

:rolleyes:
that time, Kor hasnt beat INA 3-0 at semi-f

interesting how very few ppl voted for Korea in the previous poll:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43698

but yet now we have a 50-50 split.
:rolleyes:
that time, Kor hasnt beat INA 3-0 at semi-f
..18 people who voted for KOR to take the silverware home, probably knew something...;)

Anyway, if the KOR squad does indeed win it, i'd say it's fine. Hey, they've been trying to reach the Final and win it all, so many times before; even resorted in using this strategy in the past. Hmmm, and if they do win this, i think they should give a big THANK YOU to the IBF/BWF for still keeping the current TC & UC system.:cool:

My preliminary predictions are:

Lin Dan vs. Park Sung Hwan - 60-40

H2H

WINNING RATIO - (Dan LIN) 2: 3 (Sung Hwan PARK)

EVENT DATE EVENT NAME CATEGORY WINNER GRADE

November 25 2007 CHINA OPEN SUPER SERIES MS
Sung Hwan PARK S.Series
November 4 2007 FRENCH SUPER SERIES 2007 MS
Dan LIN S.Series
January 21 2007 PROTON MALAYSIA SUPER SERIES MS
Sung Hwan PARK S.Series
September 24 2006 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 2006 MS
Dan LIN 7*
July 4 2004 Proton-Eon MALAYSIA OPEN 2004 MS
Sung Hwan PARK 4*



Cai/Fu vs. Jung/Lee - 55-45

H2H

WINNING RATIO - (YunCAI - HaifengFU) 4 :1(Yong DaeJUNG - Jae SungJUNG)
Printable Version
EVENT DATE EVENT NAME CATEGORY WINNER GRADE

November 4 2007 FRENCH SUPER SERIES 2007 MD
53854 S.Series
October 28 2007 DENMARK SUPER SERIES MD
53854 S.Series
Dec 5 2006 ASIA GAMES TEAM FINALS 2006 MD
53854
June 25 2006 CHINESE TAIPEI OPEN 2006 MD
53854 5*
January 15 2006 YONEX GERMAN OPEN 2006 MD
60571 3*

Bao Chunlai vs. Lee Hyun Il - 60-40

H2H

WINNING RATIO - (Chunlai BAO) 6: 3 (Hyun Il LEE)


EVENT DATE EVENT NAME CATEGORY WINNER GRADE

August 19 2007 16th WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 2007 MS
Chunlai BAO BWF Events
September 24 2006 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 2006 MS
Chunlai BAO 7*
August 27 2006 YONEX KOREA OPEN 2006 MS
Chunlai BAO 6*
November 13 2005 PICC CHINA OPEN 2005 MS
Chunlai BAO 6*
July 10 2005 PROTON MALAYSIA OPEN 2005 MS
Chunlai BAO 4*
July 3 2005 SINGAPORE OPEN 2005 MS
Hyun Il LEE 5*
March 7 2004 SWISS OPEN 2004 MS
Chunlai BAO 3*
October 5 2003 YONEX GERMAN OPEN 2003 MS
Hyun Il LEE 2*
July 22 2001 Malaysia Open 2001 (I) MS
Hyun Il LEE 4*


Guo/Xie vs. Hwang/Lee - 40-60

H2H

WINNING RATIO - (ZhendongGUO - ZhongboXIE) 0 :2(Jae JinHWANG - Ji

ManHWANG)

EVENT DATE EVENT NAME CATEGORY WINNER GRADE

March 2 2008 Yonex German Open 2008 MD
55709 GP
Dec 5 2006 ASIA GAMES TEAM FINALS 2006 MD
55709


Chen Jin - Shon Seung Mo 70-30

H2H
Both Players didnot meet each other

interesting how very few ppl voted for Korea in the previous poll:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43698

but yet now we have a 50-50 split.


I was one of those original voters for KOR.........still going strong!

KOR for the 2 MDs and either PSH or LHI for the MS

Nice lay out here seawell. Will CJ be playing? if CY is the third MS, has he played SSM before?

Nice lay out here seawell. Will CJ be playing? if CY is the third MS, has he played SSM before?

I recall Chen Yu won the last 3 times when they met.

Seriously Lin Dan will thrash PSH, and CY/FHF should win the MD. BCL has the edge over LHI as well... we'll see mark my words :cool:

Talking about the consistency for all the players throughout this whole TC Final, no one else beside the Koreans.
It would be a huge surprise if Korean to lost in 0-3

Seriously Lin Dan will thrash PSH, and CY/FHF should win the MD. BCL has the edge over LHI as well... we'll see mark my words :cool:

totally agree, China isn't the dominating force for nothing, yet all ppl are just jumping on the Korea bandwagon... It will either be 3-0 or 3-2 just like I said previousily...

we will see in less than 24 hours...
still feel korea will make it through..

A lot of guys said China wouldn't be in the final before the match up with Malaysia........................

Korea's chance to win the cup? None.

in tc/uc, can a team coach elect different MS1, MD1, MS2, etc against each different country? EX: can china elect CJ or BCL as MS1 against korea even tho lin dan was MS1 against MAL?

Many of the member here are from Malaysia so it is understandable why many pick Malaysia over China in the final.

interesting how very few ppl voted for Korea in the previous poll:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43698

but yet now we have a 50-50 split.
Boss, that thread was created 12 months ago. Cannot compare lah!

Many of the member here are from Malaysia so it is understandable why many pick Malaysia over China in the final.
Hello, it is a CHN-KOR final lah... Why MAS? R u dreaming?

PSH, JJS/LYD & LJJ/HJM will win while BCL will score CHN's only point.

KOR 3 - 1 CHN...

A lot of guys said China wouldn't be in the final before the match up with Malaysia........................

some even said (hope) that china retain the UC for the 11th times, what a laugh!

Seriously Lin Dan will thrash PSH, and CY/FHF should win the MD. BCL has the edge over LHI as well... we'll see mark my words :cool:
couldn't put it any better way myself. go china go!

china still had the best chance to win tomorrow. Korea will not use a tactic losing to England if they thought they can beat China in semifinal. Instead they chose Indonesia.

Do not use the semifinal matches as the final judgement. Lee Hyun Il play very well , yes. But because Taufik is much slower now and did not had that powerful jumping smash anymore.

Side note: Indonesia really need to find one very good Ms and another good MD or else we will had the same dissaipointment again in 2010. Fourth time semifinalist.

The story will be different when LHI meet BCL.

The most important roles will be at Lin Dan hand. If he win tomorrow, China will win Thomas Cup in 3-0, 3-1 or 3-2.

If Lin Dan lost, china still had a chance to win this though with a 3-2.

LD - PSH 50:50

CY/FHF - JJS/LYD 50 : 50

BCL - LHI 55-45

MD 2 _ MD 2 45:55

CY/ CJ - SSM 60-40

And of course it all depend of the players mentality tomorrow, who crumbles first will lose.

Talking about the consistency for all the players throughout this whole TC Final, no one else beside the Koreans.
It would be a huge surprise if Korean to lost in 0-3

I would not called Korea team had consistency. PSH lost to Peter gade right? And JJs/LYD lost to JR/LP right? If Kenneth did not had any injury, the story will become different. Denmark will win and make thru to SF and not Korea.

And it will not a suprise if China had a 3-0 win in final tomorrow. They had the players who had the skill to beat Korea. Korea is the team who had play the catch up here.

The most important roles will be at Lin Dan hand. If he win tomorrow, China will win Thomas Cup in 3-0, 3-1 or 3-2.

If Lin Dan lost, china still had a chance to win this though with a 3-2.

LD - PSH 50:50

CY/FHF - JJS/LYD 50 : 50

BCL - LHI 55-45

MD 2 _ MD 2 45:55

CY/ CJ - SSM 60-40

And of course it all depend of the players mentality tomorrow, who crumbles first will lose.
i agree.
i would re-rate the odds as:

LD - PSH 75:25 if possible in this event, ld would like to quash this itchy nemsis so he could just focus on lcw and Soni for the OG

CY/FHF - JJS/LYD 60 : 40 this is a testing ground for cy/fhf to show see if all the recent trainin0g are enough to the risng korean MD. cy/fhf will go full throttle to see how much they have or needed beat korea #1 MD. It was still be a close match, 3 sets. Of course, Korea MD want to redeem themself for losing to denmark

BCL - LHI 55-45 Both are peaking to toward august.

MD 2 _ MD 2 35:65

CY/ CJ - SSM 85-15 CJ is better than ssm in every department. No problemo

all of a sudden the KOE team become the underdog again, espically after all the hype and expectations.

BTW, there is no way CJ has a 85 percent advantage over SSM.

Yay I tipped the scale to 50 : 50

BTW, there is no way CJ has a 85 percent advantage over SSM.
those are just my opinions, they are not scientific.
lets hear about yours

I don't think they've met before, so i d say 50-50.

If people are so confident about PSH being able to beat LD, and that LD is likely to lose. Then why is LD ranked where he is and the same goes for PSH?
How many times has LD risen to the occasion when it's counted? e.g. previous Thomas Cup, WC, AE...
If LD is not expected to beat PSH then he doesn't deserve to be ranked number 1 in the world.

P.S. He will teach Park a lesson today.

common Lin Dan teach the Korean some lesson

Come on China....Cong Guo Dui Jia You....I'd be supporting China lol...my gf is Chinese so I have to support China now cos INA no longer here

Do it for the Sichuan earthquake victims!!!!!
Pride of China!!!

May you agree that the crucial point for Korea to have any chance to win over China is they must get one point from first two singles and rely on two doubles to get two points - Korea 2nd double has upper hand and China has better 3rd single, so the first 3 matches will decide who is going to win.

LD will bounce back strongly after defeat at semi, so Park is difficult to beat him really; LHI is a silent killer and I think he will beat Bao; so the decider will be based on 1st double, which is really a 50-50 match.

If people are so confident about PSH being able to beat LD, and that LD is likely to lose. Then why is LD ranked where he is and the same goes for PSH?
How many times has LD risen to the occasion when it's counted? e.g. previous Thomas Cup, WC, AE...
If LD is not expected to beat PSH then he doesn't deserve to be ranked number 1 in the world.

P.S. He will teach Park a lesson today.

i think PSH can beats lin dan too.Before the semifinal match between lcw and lin dan many people also confident that lcw will lose but the outcome is different.I think korea can win as they are really determine to win this thomas cup.

i think PSH can beats lin dan too.Before the semifinal match between lcw and lin dan many people also confident that lcw will lose but the outcome is different.I think korea can win as they are really determine to win this thomas cup.
PSH and LCW are on different levels.
LCW is a much better player and has shown consistency at his best.

Before the semifinal match between lcw and lin dan many people also confident that lcw will lose but the outcome is different.

Same goes for MD.

Before CHN vs. MAS, 99% people give the MDs to MAS for free. However, the outcome is, Fu and Cai deliver the crucial pt even after LD lost MS1. :rolleyes:

yup...upset can happen anytime..so we just wait for the match!see who is more determine to win the thomas cup:)

Hello, it is a CHN-KOR final lah... Why MAS? R u dreaming?

What I meant was many Malaysian here prefer Malaysia over CHina to be in the final, which is why they don't think China will be in the final. I wasn't dreaming, but i understand if you read it the wrong way cos my wording was misleading, but no need to be rude robin7.:mad::mad::mad::mad:

I hope everyone pick/predict the champion team based on the team performance and not because they beat your favorite team.

I hope everyone pick/predict the champion team based on the team performance and not because they beat your favorite team.
absolutely agree...
ina fans which do not favours china now supporting them pula...
big sour smell here...
just to revenge on korea...
i'm just pointing out the facts...

I hope everyone pick/predict the champion team based on the team performance and not because they beat your favorite team.

Hahaha, you know that ain't gonna happen. :cool:

If people are so confident about PSH being able to beat LD, and that LD is likely to lose. Then why is LD ranked where he is and the same goes for PSH?
How many times has LD risen to the occasion when it's counted? e.g. previous Thomas Cup, WC, AE...
If LD is not expected to beat PSH then he doesn't deserve to be ranked number 1 in the world.

P.S. He will teach Park a lesson today.

FYI, PSH has good record against LD and that's why people are confident predicting.

Come on China....Cong Guo Dui Jia You....I'd be supporting China lol...my gf is Chinese so I have to support China now cos INA no longer here

...our INA TC squad not in final...now your cheering for Chn...but I like to see Korean take the TC title for the first time, so I support Korean...they going to win 3-0 or 3-1 over Chn....:p:p:p

Cmooooooooon Park, Ill, Dae/Sung, some of Ina fans behind u....:D:D:D

I pick KOR to take this.....based on their strenght and latest performances...

But I hope China to beat KOR..... because of the KOR unsportmanlike....

I pick KOR to take this.....based on their strenght and latest performances...

But I hope China to beat KOR..... because of the KOR unsportmanlike....

...I was not agree KOR strategy in qualify group...but now they are in Final against defending champion...I support them to be new TC Champion...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

i think PSH can beats lin dan too.Before the semifinal match between lcw and lin dan many people also confident that lcw will lose but the outcome is different.I think korea can win as they are really determine to win this thomas cup.
i did said that LD do have one of his off day now and then, but unlikely to have 2 in a row during a major tournament otherwise he couldn't be the world no 1 for so long. because of this i think he is definitely has the upper hand against PSH.
with 1-0 after the MS1 korea will have a mountain to climb. 3-0 to china is a very likely result.

PSH and LCW are on different levels.
LCW is a much better player and has shown consistency at his best.
totally agreed with that

KOR Vs CHN
I support korean team too
it's kinda boring to see china team at the top.
i'm pretty sure that you also support your coutry team strategy if they do the same thing (what korean team did).

GO GO GO KOREA
MAKE A NEW HISTORY

But I hope China to beat KOR..... because of the KOR unsportmanlike....
korea hasn't done anything against the rules but just not good for badminton. blame the stupid rules, the only purpose for the 1st round is allow them to pick the next opponent. have to say that korea did it in a rather elegant way by swapping the MS & MD around.
to choose between a better chance to be in the final for the TC (that proven to be correct) or bad named badminton temporary (rules has to be changed for the next TC), it isn't really that difficult.
i'm sure both MAL and ENG had analysed and decided against it (i.e. to be at the bottom of the group), but what if 1 or both wanted the same? what fun to see everyone tried to lose!

in tc/uc, can a team coach elect different MS1, MD1, MS2, etc against each different country? EX: can china elect CJ or BCL as MS1 against korea even tho lin dan was MS1 against MAL?
..yes they can and it's totally independent of what the other team is playing. But if they do so, they have to go by the players' ranking in determining the rest of the lineup. So, if CHN fielded BCL as MS1, then MS2 will be CJ and then MS3 will be CY; all based on BWF's ranking.;)
FYI, PSH has good record against LD and that's why people are confident predicting.
..if not mistaken LD has a better head to head record than LCW. Yet, we all saw what happened in their Semifinal match.;)
korea hasn't done anything against the rules but just not good for badminton. blame the stupid rules, the only purpose for the 1st round is allow them to pick the next opponent. have to say that korea did it in a rather elegant way by swapping the MS & MD around.
to choose between a better chance to be in the final for the TC (that proven to be correct) or bad named badminton temporary (rules has to be changed for the next TC), it isn't really that difficult.
i'm sure both MAL and ENG had analysed and decided against it (i.e. to be at the bottom of the group), but what if 1 or both wanted the same? what fun to see everyone tried to lose!
..i concur (the ones highlighted in bold).

Anyway, we're just counting down 4 more hours. The most important thing is:
Which team does our kwun feel is going to win???....hmmmmmmmm....(i haven't seen his prediction yet:p). But maybe a couple of "Jia Yous" will reveal who he's supporting???....:confused: ;)

*On that note, my eyes are getting a bit heavy..*sigh*...:p

the advantage for korea is that they've achieved their TC goal, to be in the final while china has the pressure of 'expected' to win.

the advantage for korea is that they've achieved their TC goal, to be in the final while china has the pressure of 'expected' to win.

Have faith cooler, CHN will prevail :)

I'm going to bed now for a 3.5 hr sleep. Hopefully, I'll be able to wake up. Will set 3 alarms, each one closer to the computer :D:D:D

Have faith cooler, CHN will prevail :)i do as i have given my odds of china vs korea earlier but of course those odds were based on skills while the mental state component is harder to assess quantatitively. Korea can play with nothing to lose attitude.

I'm going to bed now for a 3.5 hr sleep. Hopefully, I'll be able to wake up. Will set 3 alarms, each one closer to the computer :D:D:D

somebody call me so i know to get up!

....waiting for watching FINAL TC in this streaming...

http://medprima-rapid1-tv3.wm.llnwd.net/medprima_Rapid1_TV3 (http://medprima-rapid1-tv3.wm.llnwd.net/medprima_Rapid1_TV3)

it nice to hear non-stop Indonesia love song on the link...

I'm going to bed now for a 3.5 hr sleep. Hopefully, I'll be able to wake up. Will set 3 alarms, each one closer to the computer :D:D:D
somebody call me so i know to get up!
...last night i was planning to get up at 4 am (with alarm set), but failed. When i got up, afer noticing the UC Final thread was so quiet, i realized everyone else probably dozed off and missed the UC Final...:p

I'm wondering, if there's a special feature which BC can install which will act as an alarm in this kind of special circumstances...hmm..have one of those "BC Tournament Wake-Me-Up Alarm"..:confused: :rolleyes::p
....
it nice to hear non-stop Indonesia love song on the link...
..i think i shall refrain from doing that. If i do that, 110% i will surely fall asleep....

What I meant was many Malaysian here prefer Malaysia over CHina to be in the final, which is why they don't think China will be in the final. I wasn't dreaming, but i understand if you read it the wrong way cos my wording was misleading, but no need to be rude.:mad::mad::mad::mad:
Easy easy... I think I forgot to put some :D:p in my previous post. That's why u misunderstood... :rolleyes:

為了推翻拿督古納蘭，據說印尼羽總甚至還動用了當地警方來威脅古納蘭以及其支持者，把世界羽聯內部的爭權風 波推上高峰，而古納蘭自知早已失勢，在考慮到自身安全後，早在會員大會前一天便飛回大馬。

Anybody knows when the final will be starting? I'll be rooting for korea!

Anybody knows when the final will be starting? I'll be rooting for korea!

18.00 Jakarta time

為了推翻拿督古納蘭，據說印尼羽總甚至還動用了當地警方來威脅古納蘭以及其支持者，把世界羽聯內部的爭權風 波推上高峰，而古納蘭自知早已失勢，在考慮到自身安全後，早在會員大會前一天便飛回大馬。

what is this??????:confused::confused::eek::eek:

If people are so confident about PSH being able to beat LD, and that LD is likely to lose. Then why is LD ranked where he is and the same goes for PSH?
How many times has LD risen to the occasion when it's counted? e.g. previous Thomas Cup, WC, AE...
If LD is not expected to beat PSH then he doesn't deserve to be ranked number 1 in the world.

P.S. He will teach Park a lesson today.

FYI, PSH has good record against LD and that's why people are confident predicting.
As Wong8Egg mentioned, PSH has better H2H against LD including 2 wins in MO & CO last year.

Plus, LD was beaten by LCW convincingly in the SF and PSH will very likely beat LD in again with the support from the crowd...

From the positive side, LD desperately want to redeem himself after the loss to LCW. It would be a disaster for LD & CHN if LD were to lose again to PSH.

It is normal for fans to protect their countrymen. But this is just the predictions. I still remembered that some CHN fans predicted that CHN would thrash MAS in 3-0 but everyone knows how the results turned out...

what is this??????:confused::confused::eek::eek:

You a japanese? You should understand some Chinese.

You a japanese? You should understand some Chinese.

should be....but I am Indonesian live in Japan;)

excited for a good game ahead in just a hour ahead... :)
hopefully Korea will give a good fight to China to make the game more interesting...

common Lin Dan! proof that u r world no. 1!

Korea has slight advantage! The key matches are LD vs PSH and Bao vs LHI. Both matches are 50:50. Chinese MD don't have high chance. LD skill is ok but if he exibits that kind of lousy fighting spirit like in semi he will be in trouble. PSH is a tough nut to crack. He is tons of fighting spirit and mental strenght. so is LHI.

korea 3-2 china

China 3
Korea 1..........

It was quite entertaining to watch the Korean play..
Variety of shots, great defense & placement of shuttles.. Almost everything to thrill the crowds..
Even they beat the host during semifinals, Many INA fans at the stadium stand up to applause and cheer for the Korean team while they walk out from Istora Senayan,

common Lin Dan! proof that u r world no. 1!

cmoon Park u can beat No1...make upset pleaseee:p

Korean 3-1 Chn

my bet is on korea to take the thomas cup 2008, to prove that Giants can be conquered!! EX. David vs Goliath. Is all about mind set strategy. All up to you KOrea! Believe U can do It!

Park 9
Lin Dan 3

(i love being indra)

I don't really I like China (nor Korea :rolleyes:) but i think they'll take it 3-0.
LD had a day off against LCW. I am afraid PSH will be crushed.
Plus, i'm not sure but i don't remember that Bao has lost a match in team event as second MS.
I really think that MD1 is 60-40 for China. On contrary, MD2 is a sure win for Korea.

For me the only configuration for Korea to have a chance will be LHI in MS1 and PSH in MS2. Then score maybe 3-1 for Korea.

Anyway, i don't care who wins, don't really like both team (except LHI and HJM & LJJ)

tick tack tick tack
20 MINUTES TO THE FINAL BATTLE
who will win the war?

go go go
KOREA

9 mins to go......

psh are warming up..

Korea to take the TC.

kwun, madbad and those who are still sleeping....

WAKE UP!!!

let the games begin!

The teams are marching into the hall......

does anyone no how chen jin got injured?

1 Minute Silent

does anyone no how chen jin got injured?
It has been mentioned at the beginning of this thread and elsewhere.

round 1... fight... :)

Well..Its the final day of Thomas Cup..Althought no Malaysia team in fight,i will still watch it..Come on Korea..

It has been mentioned at the beginning of this thread and elsewhere.

o right, thanks

the match start yet?
why no response in my live score?

thanks to the livestreaming of www.imediabiz.tv

canceled my dinner date because of this

haha

Camon Park, do it again...

does anyone no how chen jin got injured?

chen jin got injured on his waist during 2nd set vs Hafiz Hashim...

but Hafiz are very *blur* at that time, didnt know chen jin are injured, he thought chen jin are slowing down the match, then he also slowing down. he dont know he should be take the advantage, get faster and keep attacking..

Attendance figures are not bad, more than half the stadium is full.

CHN strikes first blow on the supporters' side, they have more supporter representation among the crowd.

the match start yet?
why no response in my live score?
they are just entering the courts now...

the tournamentsoftware are s-t-uck....

nice to see INA fans in stadium cheering for both team..half for Kor..half for Chn...

World no.1 vs World no. 9.
8 places difference between both players

LD looks nervous while PSH looks focused as they are warming up...

Dont really understand why in the semis between CHN & MAS, almost 90% is MAS fans . But right now i think CHN fans simply outnumbered the Korean fans here,

As usual, Tan Kim Her is sitting together with the Korean bench.

PSH got the 1st pt...

geez, intense even in the first rally.

come on lin dan...!

Park pushed it wide .....2-1.....

majority INA fans in stadium support Korea....me tooo

we need new TC champion....cmooon Korea............

Lin Dan Jia You!!!

Where is the english commentary on tv3? or is it somewhere else?

Sections of the crowd supporting Korea are chanting IN-DO-NE-SIA, and later changed it to KO-RE-A.

PSH hv made a judgment mistake at 2-2... too nervous maybe

Crosscourt smash which LD could not retrieve.....3-2......

Kill at the net by PSH 4-2...

PSH is moving LD a lot

LD's net weakness exposed for easy tap in.

CC smash wide by LD. PSH 5-2...

Park 5-2 after LD sent the shuttle out.......

indonesian support korea :)

lindan must win!!!!!!!!!!

yeah.. ooh.. yeah.. ooh thats what im hearing

LD disputes close line call, 6-2 Korea.

Park 6-2......7-2.......

On the line by the line judge. PSH 6-2...

PSH 7-2...

bad line call!!

LD is catching up 4-8...

Park tried crosscourt net but failed....8-3........

PSH dominating at the moment

lin dan will lose if he keep unfocus

indonesian support korea :)

yep..totally right

LD trying to come back

The problem with the Chinese supporters is that they don't have a cheerleader of calibre.

Still a long way from matching the standards of Indonesia and Malaysia.

Wide. PSH 9-4.....

oh no its 9-4....

bad line call!!

the shuttle is in..the line call is correct..

lin dan must win this match!

LD seems to be under pressure. PSH playing quite well..

Great drop by PSH 10-4...

park is doing well now..^^

this is not real lin dan

the shuttle is in..the line call is correct..

shuttle looked out from my blurry stream.

The problem with the Chinese supporters is that they don't have a cheerleader of calibre.

Still a long way from matching the standards of Indonesia and Malaysia.
not their place ba...

What a rally, ended by error by PSH. PSH still up 10-6...

PSH seems more confident... but LD is still hanging strong there... 10-6 to PSH now...

Good rally but ended with an error by Park ....10-6.......

lin dan looks slower than usual
hes worrying about whether is judgement is right

LD not giving up yet.

just woke up.... think i got panda eyes now for waking up early for the past 3 days :)

PSH 11-6 up.....

PSH has supremacy at the break, 11-6

LD not playing to his best yet.

The crowd is great!!

PSH seems to be pushing LD into his forehand corner.

the shuttle is in..the line call is correct..

Agree, I saw the shuttle hit the white line.........

Park is now 12-6 ahead.......