Sportsmanship: At the end of the game, shake your opponent's hand first

[Pemuda]

.... before you run off to your coach.

I think it is very poor taste whenever at the end of a match, you will find the winner/s running to their coaches first to celebrate. What happened to shaking your opponent's hand first? What happened to decent sportsmanship and basic courtesy??? As far as I know, it wasnt like this some 8-10 years ago. Sadly, you only see this happening in badminton. And I think badminton may end up the victim if this problem is not addressed.

[llpjlau]

the coaches are closest to the court in badminton. that may be why.

[kenny7_2006]

ah, the aftermath of Chen Jin's victory celebration....

.... yeah, in respect and admiration, shake the opponent, then run off with their coach....

... but in the joy of the moment, sometimes players forget, or are too happy and eager to celebrate....

[flikflak]

Hi guys,

Today in UC 2008, after winning the match, Chinese players were busy celebrating and simply forgot to handshake their opponent first of all, which only took a very few seconds anyway. I didn't watch it thoroughly, but I think they also forgot to handshake the umpire as well.

INA players seem to notice this by glancing at the other side of the net, they actually wanted to handshake and probably congratulated the Chinese players especially after the third match.

My question is, are they the only one to do this? is this kind of thing usual in the past? Did today's Uber Cup teams eventually congratulate each other during ceremony?

Honestly, it doesn't look nice. Even though it's not mandatory, but it's a bad etiquette not to shake your opponent's hand (not to mention saying some nice words) first before you celebrate. Although both teams may salute each other during ceremony, still, it's a bad etiquette.

[Wong8Egg]

I don't see any problem as long as they shake hands after the game.
The case you mentioned normally only happens in the final/major game where players get very emotional after winning and I find that understandable.

[Wong8Egg]

Hi guys,

Today in UC 2008, after winning the match, Chinese players were busy celebrating and simply forgot to handshake their opponent first of all, which only took a very few seconds anyway. I didn't watch it thoroughly, but I think they also forgot to handshake the umpire as well.

INA players seem to notice this by glancing at the other side of the net, they actually wanted to handshake and probably congratulated the Chinese players especially after the third match.

My question is, are they the only one to do this? is this kind of thing usual in the past? Did today's Uber Cup teams eventually congratulate each other during ceremony?

Honestly, it doesn't look nice. Even though it's not mandatory, but it's a bad etiquette not to shake your opponent's hand (not to mention saying some nice words) first before you celebrate. Although both teams may salute each other during ceremony, still, it's a bad etiquette.

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=XvnQehYXaG8

Check Korean's reaction after beating INA. They celebrated right away after winning the game but LHI did handshake with TH afterward, I don't see anything wrong there and still a good display of sportsmanship between LHI and TH.

[flikflak]

I tried hard to remember the usual habit in TC/UC celebration but I'm not sure.

Maybe some players care to handshake first and MANY others already got swarmed by the their teammates.

Yes, I think I can agree that eventually it doesn't matter as long as both teams congratulate each other. Since they're on the heat of the moment of a big team event. However, it would be more polite and classy to handshake the opponent and the umpire before they leave the court.

[ants]

The winner did went to find his opponent and shake his hand after all the commotion. Its just not shown on tv. If he/she did not have any sportmanship.. he/she wil not bother to take the trouble to find the player.

[nick.h]

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=XvnQehYXaG8

Check Korean's reaction after beating INA. They celebrated right away after winning the game but LHI did handshake with TH afterward, I don't see anything wrong there and still a good display of sportsmanship between LHI and TH.

hurts watching taufik losing like that :crying::crying:
but i agree, there's nothing wrong with going to your coaches first then shake your opponents' hands, after all, the coaches play huge roles in helping the players win. by celebrating the win with coaches first means the players are being respectful & thankful

[xXazn_romeoXx]

i don't have the full copy, but i remember the last time the Malaysians won the Thomas Cup, i think it was Lee Suen Tseng on the court, after he won the last 5/7 game, he got swarmed by his teammates, and in the heat of it, didn't shake anyone's hand at all...i do find it a bit annoying, but it is a very emotional game...besides, you never know what happens in the locker rooms or practice arenas or hotel rooms after right? they could always be friends, hangout and congratulate each other then...and the Thomas + Uber cups happen to be team events, so i'd understand that they'd wanna be with teammates/coaches first...

[Pemuda]

This is where badminton shuttlers can learn some basic sportsmanship from tennis players. In any Wimbledon, French Open, Australian Open, US Open or Davis Cup matches/finals, you dont see the winner/s running off to celebrate with their coaches/family members etc before they shake their opponent's hand. I have never seen Federer or Boris Becker celebrating with their coaches first.

Even in boxing matches, the winner will immediately shake the loser's hand despite hitting each other silly for a couple of rounds.

To celebrate first after a winning a match and then later go about looking to find your opponent to shake his/her hand is of poor taste. And I seen numerous times where the beaten shuttler was left 'waiting' at the net while the winner was celebrating with his/her coaches.

Well, I guess sports is changing. In badminton, we have this celebrate first thingy and football we have players diving and play acting which was not the norm in the old days.

[jamesd20]

I don't see any problem as long as they shake hands after the game.
The case you mentioned normally only happens in the final/major game where players get very emotional after winning and I find that understandable.

I agree. For a start players don't run to hug their coach in early rounds or even QF/SF in SS or Open tournaments.

It is quite common in most sports for players to celebrate before commisserating their opponents in a major final (Such as UC).

I think we would be fooling ourselves if we thought sportmanship was a reason why Badminton is not mainstream.

[Pemuda]

Squash is not mainstream but I have never seen Nicole David running out the court to celebrate with her coach/teamates etc first before shaking her opponent's hand.

[flikflak]

I think we would be fooling ourselves if we thought sportmanship was a reason why Badminton is not mainstream.

Of course it has nothing to do with Badminton being mainstream not.

The handshake issue is all about courtesy. Some people do value it. But I don't know what's the proper courtesy in badminton.... whether it's common or not.

[sumbadder]

I guess if the winner doesn't shake hands with their opponent after the match, that invalidates their win.

[nmy3889]

Squash is not mainstream but I have never seen Nicole David running out the court to celebrate with her coach/teamates etc first before shaking her opponent's hand.

it would be really funny if a squash player took the trouble to open the court door and run out to hug his/her coach first before shaking the opponent's hand which is right next to her...haha.....:D:D:D

[jamesd20]

Squash is not mainstream but I have never seen Nicole David running out the court to celebrate with her coach/teamates etc first before shaking her opponent's hand.

The Former proves my point - Is doesn't matter whether this courtesy is observed or not, it makes little difference to whether the sport is mainstream. Ask anyone in the street, what makes a sport popular, I would be amazed if anyone said "Sportsmanship".

Remember in badminton we are not closed in a room with the opponent like in badminton. and now the coaches are the closest to the players.

[pralinescream]

The Former proves my point - Is doesn't matter whether this courtesy is observed or not, it makes little difference to whether the sport is mainstream. Ask anyone in the street, what makes a sport popular, I would be amazed if anyone said "Sportsmanship".

Remember in badminton we are not closed in a room with the opponent like in badminton. and now the coaches are the closest to the players.

Exactly. the reason tennis, soccer, basketball,golf etc considered mainstream simply is bcos it's dominated by caucasians/westerners.

badminton can never be mainstream in usa/europe unless got more champions other den from denmark.

companies like nike/adidas or tv stations will not spend their money promoting asian champions. otherwise, superiority of caucasians/westerners will be compromised.

cheers. no intend to incite racial issues here, but that's just only common sense.

[sonnymak]

Just think of this for sportmanship.

Malaysia and Indonesia have almost been at war for 50 years in so far as their badminton rivalry is concerned.

In 1974 AE MS final the great Rudy Hartono met the Malaysian Punch Gunalan.

In the 2nd set, Punch was holding championship point at 14-7 and Rudy caught up to force a rubber.

Punch pulled no punches in the 3rd and fought all the way. But Rudy held on to win his record 7th AE title. Punch crossed the net to Rudy's court and gave Rudy a big hug and lift him up acknowledging him as a worthy champion.

Dont think Ld would hug LCW or vice versa if they win the OG gold right ?

[tjl_vanguard]

tat reli happened?? nice of of punch gunalan to do tat.. win graciously.. as well as losing graciously.. haha :D

[wwcbro]

Originally Posted by flikflak
...The handshake issue is all about courtesy. Some people do value it

Agreed.
Just walking up to shake your opponent hands....to acknowledge a game well played or well fought takes only a few minutes, then go and hug your coaches/families and share with them your joy of winning. No one will care if the celebrations last long, but imagine if you're the losing player just standing on the court waiting for the tradition handshake after the game. Courtesy is not rocket science and is not expensive. All it takes is considerations and a few minutes of your life. For that, the recipient will be grateful. It is not only happening in badminton, not only in sports...you see it in everyday life. Drivers simply ignoring you when you let them cut in front of you, no wave of hand, people just striding through the door you open, no thank you's....well, you know little things you see or experience, like some of the postings justifying that, "Oh...no big deal, let me hug my coach, my families, my supporters, all my team mates.....oh yeah, and that poor guy that standing on the court waiting....
It is the coming of the end to civilization, when people start to trivialize and saying bad manners are okay and are norm to everyday life.

[X Ball]

The only reason why I would shake the opponents hands first is because it will be courtesy to a person who has just lost to you - sportmanship.

There is no reason why the winner can't celebrate jubilantly only after that. Pemuda is right for once. I totally agree with his views. :)

[demolidor]

This is where badminton shuttlers can learn some basic sportsmanship from tennis players. In any Wimbledon, French Open, Australian Open, US Open or Davis Cup matches/finals, you dont see the winner/s running off to celebrate with their coaches/family members etc before they shake their opponent's hand. I have never seen Federer or Boris Becker celebrating with their coaches first.

Even in boxing matches, the winner will immediately shake the loser's hand despite hitting each other silly for a couple of rounds.

To celebrate first after a winning a match and then later go about looking to find your opponent to shake his/her hand is of poor taste. And I seen numerous times where the beaten shuttler was left 'waiting' at the net while the winner was celebrating with his/her coaches.

Well, I guess sports is changing. In badminton, we have this celebrate first thingy and football we have players diving and play acting which was not the norm in the old days.


Squash is not mainstream but I have never seen Nicole David running out the court to celebrate with her coach/teamates etc first before shaking her opponent's hand.


it would be really funny if a squash player took the trouble to open the court door and run out to hug his/her coach first before shaking the opponent's hand which is right next to her...haha.....:D:D:D

:D Exactly you can't compare a badminton court to squash or tennis. I mean in squash your opponent is the closest thing to you and in tennis there are no courtside coaches. Only in Davis Cup do you have coaches and teammates right there and I've seen often enough the winning player getting swarmed by his teammates before being able to shake hands just like in the TUC ;).

[cooler]

This is where badminton shuttlers can learn some basic sportsmanship from tennis players. In any Wimbledon, French Open, Australian Open, US Open or Davis Cup matches/finals, you dont see the winner/s running off to celebrate with their coaches/family members etc before they shake their opponent's hand. I have never seen Federer or Boris Becker celebrating with their coaches first.

Even in boxing matches, the winner will immediately shake the loser's hand despite hitting each other silly for a couple of rounds.

To celebrate first after a winning a match and then later go about looking to find your opponent to shake his/her hand is of poor taste. And I seen numerous times where the beaten shuttler was left 'waiting' at the net while the winner was celebrating with his/her coaches.

Well, I guess sports is changing. In badminton, we have this celebrate first thingy and football we have players diving and play acting which was not the norm in the old days.
guess what? it is MAL fans that ridiculed LD and say he is arrogant because he didn't shake LCW's hands after LCW had won at 06 MAL Open. In fact, LD waited at the net for a while then he gave up waiting for the celebrative LCW.

[madbad]

guess what? it is MAL fans that ridiculed LD and say he is arrogant because he didn't shake LCW's hands after LCW had won at 06 MAL Open. In fact, LD waited at the net for a while then he gave up waiting for the celebrative LCW.

Cooler.... don't incite a riot here. I don't think this comment was necessary.

[jhirata]

Now just wondering..
Would Lin Dan ever do anything like this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF7yPuQ5p1I

Wang Liqin as shown in the video is currently ranked 3rd in table tennis.
During the Japan Open <I forgot which year>, the ball touched his shirt when he had served.
His opponent noticed it and therefore did not strike the ball. The umpire called a let, but Wang Liqin showing good sportsmanship called a fault on himself and went to change the scoreboard and give a point to his opponent. He ended up losing that game.

If Lin Dan shows such sportsmanship and integrity like Wang Liqin the table tennis player, I'd be very suprised.

[cooler]

Cooler.... don't incite a riot here. I don't think this comment was necessary.think of it as a recall for some fans with poor memory.

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34042

[treilanin]

If Lin Dan shows such sportsmanship and integrity like Wang Liqin the table tennis player, I'd be very suprised.

I think this singling out of a specific player is a bit silly. I would be very surprised if ANY professional badminton player did this... especially at the high level of a Super Series Final. The sport of badminton now has $$$$ attached to winning and because of this the idea of sportsmanship and integrity go downhill unfortunately.

[cooler]

I think this singling out of a specific player is a bit silly. I would be very surprised if ANY professional badminton player did this... especially at the high level of a Super Series Final. The sport of badminton now has $$$$ attached to winning and because of this the idea of sportsmanship and integrity go downhill unfortunately.

shuttle did not roll over, kkk/tbh kept quiet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfYNkePtHjo
japan won the match

[jhirata]

I think this singling out of a specific player is a bit silly. I would be very surprised if ANY professional badminton player did this... especially at the high level of a Super Series Final. The sport of badminton now has $$$$ attached to winning and because of this the idea of sportsmanship and integrity go downhill unfortunately.
Thanks, I see your point.
I'd be suprised if anything like that happens in badminton. But still, I'd be even more suprised if Lin Dan does that. IMO, he'd get alot more fans and respect from others if he does that. Well, the same for all other players.. but they don't want to sacrifice money for reputation and respect/etc .

Btw, I was singling out on LD because of his previous actions and problems he has caused.

[treilanin]

Btw, I was singling out on LD because of his previous actions and problems he has caused.

No problem jhirata. I hope I didn't come across as singling out your Lin Dan comment out. A number of posters seem to have blind hate directed to specific players and it's just me getting a bit annoyed. Like I said with big money on the line, sportsmanship will be the exception and not the rule regardless of the nationality player/players.

In the end I watch all players of all nationalities for entertainment and as a means to learn how to play better.

[Wong8Egg]

Btw, I was singling out on LD because of his previous actions and problems he has caused.

Maybe you should just move on.

[madbad]

No problem jhirata. I hope I didn't come across as singling out your Lin Dan comment out. A number of posters seem to have blind hate directed to specific players and it's just me getting a bit annoyed. Like I said with big money on the line, sportsmanship will be the exception and not the rule regardless of the nationality player/players.

In the end I watch all players of all nationalities for entertainment and as a means to learn how to play better.

Maybe you should just move on.

We should all move on. It's almost like when the opportunity arises to start pointing fingers that.... aaahh, never mind. This is about sportsmanship, period. :)

[limsy]

I think this singling out of a specific player is a bit silly. I would be very surprised if ANY professional badminton player did this... especially at the high level of a Super Series Final. The sport of badminton now has $$$$ attached to winning and because of this the idea of sportsmanship and integrity go downhill unfortunately.

huh???...i remeber that this happened before in thomas cup final...forget which year...i think it was a china player in 3rd single match...at championship point...the smash touches his shirt and out...he honestly tell the umpire(the umpire didnt notice)...i am not sure if is was a china player or ina player did that...anyone know???

[Wong8Egg]

TR reaction after winning JO
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=umfXyM6KK1M

TH reaction after winning Olympic
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=IJpkFj-YBSY

Note both of them went for the coach first before hand shaking with the opponent. But it all seems so natural to me, calling such act unsportmenship is a little bit over IMO.

[cooler]

Thanks, I see your point.
I'd be suprised if anything like that happens in badminton. But still, I'd be even more suprised if Lin Dan does that. IMO, he'd get alot more fans and respect from others if he does that. Well, the same for all other players.. but they don't want to sacrifice money for reputation and respect/etc .


Kinda double standard on your part and give me a good laugh. Wow, badminton has alotta money 'to sacrifice' for...LOL
If u dunno yet, most if not all badminton train, play and go tournaments don't earn much, with winnings barely enough to covers expenses. . LYB alleges to fix matches. Surely he didn't do it for the monies but for reputation and respect of his countrymen. Here you are getting angry about some players for the opposite reasons LOLOLOL

Some of the most prestige titles have no money prizes if u want to know LOL

OG, WC, TC/UC, SC, commonwealth, AG, etc


Btw, I was singling out on LD because of his previous actions and problems he has caused.

it's not hard to see from above that u r singling out LD because u don't know all the issues surrounding each incident:rolleyes: U should be cheering for LD instead :p lol . Since LCW never won a Olympic or WC medals, and only won some open titles, base on your reasons, so he did it for the money it seem LOLOL.

[Fidget]

This is the jist of what some people think:

"Why do we mourn sportsmanship? Isn't this handshake just a stuffy anachronism? The players respect each other well enough off camera in the locker room."
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Well, one large point to sports is that it holds up our heroes as examples. Not only of how we can be better players, but how we can be better people.

They illustrate that they have reached the top of their domain through hard work, persistence, strong mind and body. These are lessons we are supposed to take away and use in all aspects of our life. It's especially instructive to our youth, whom we want to grow up to be hard-working, persistent doctors, lawyers, or garbagemen. Presumably we'd like our kids to grow up being respectful too. So it is not too much to ask their heroes to shake hands (not necessarily immediately, but quickly) to show the proper respect that we would like to think could exist in the wider world.


(Heck, if ice hockey players can shake hands after 7 games of tripping, slashing, poking and fighting each other, anyone can.:))

[laonong]

Exactly. the reason tennis, soccer, basketball,golf etc considered mainstream simply is bcos it's dominated by caucasians/westerners.

badminton can never be mainstream in usa/europe unless got more champions other den from denmark.

companies like nike/adidas or tv stations will not spend their money promoting asian champions. otherwise, superiority of caucasians/westerners will be compromised.

cheers. no intend to incite racial issues here, but that's just only common sense.


Let european play their sports and Asian play Aian's sports. Is that better?