Final Results:

China Beat Korea 3-1

1st Men Singles: Lin Dan Bt Park Sung Hwang 10-21 21-18 21-8

I admit, I missed the first game, but in the second and third games I didn't think Lin was under threat of losing, he could rally quite comfortably with Park, and then up the pace when required. Park didn't seem able to up the pace enough.

1st MD:Lee Yong Dae/Jung Jae Sung bt Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng 25-23 21-16

As soon as the first game was lost, the rubber was over. Cai/Fu are still a very one dimensional pair. When in attack they are comfortable, but in defence they really have no shots to convert defence to attack, they just lift lift lift. Which is no good at this level. Fu had a terrible game, he just wasn't on the ball Cai was making the game tighter, but even so MD is a team game.

LYD/JJS were there usual self, good defence, quick to attack the net and pouncing in the midcourt.


2nd MS:Bao Chunlai bt Lee Hyun Il 28-26 21-11

This was the turning point in the match. The first two rubbers were fairly predictable, and this 2nd MS was key.

Lee played well and looked in control in the first game, and went 14-11 up. Bao was his usual self - Accurate, consistent and finding good angles. Then Bao won 5 points in a row to move 16-14 up and Lee had to up his game. at 20-17 it looked like Bao had done the job, but Lee, altohugh looking a fraction tired worked and worked to get back in and won I tinhk 3 game points of his own. Bao just kept going and kept working Lee around the court, and played some very good counter attacking shots to take an absolute classic game almost to the end.

In the 2nd It was clear LHI was jaded whilst Bao remained fit and focussed. Had Lee Converted some of his game points, he may have been able to squeeze it in two. But he was clearly lacking stamina.

So Bao put one of his bet performances in for CHN in team event again. Following on from his 2004 exploits of Beating Taufik and Jonassen in three games and saving the TC for China. I was sure if LHI had won the 2nd MS he 2nd MD & TC would have gone to Korea.

As for Bao, I thought in 2004 it may be a turning point and he could become mentally tougher and starting winning more tournaments, Bt I just think in the individual events he puts the pressure on himself. In the team games he fights for the country, and I tinhk this relieves him of some pressure and enables him to play better. He is a real TC hero for China.

2nd MD: Xie Zhong Bo/Guo Zhendong bt Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Mang 21-12 19-21 21-12

I think KOR were deflated and shell shocked from the intensity of the 2nd MS and were really not at the races in the first game. CHN were merciless however, and defended tremendously and were strong in attack. They deservedly won and saved Chen Yu from a nervous 3rd MS.


Overall I think CHN deserved to win, although MAS must be kicking themselves again, since LCW served up the shock to take LD, then KKK/TBH failed to take the MD which could have taken them to the Final.

For KOR they did their best, and but for a few points here and there, they could have definitely taken the cup.

For INA and DEN, they have some work to do to compete with the above 3.

..didn't realize Chen Yu would play the last match (i guess CJ's injury is quite concerning that LYB decided not to risk it??). Boy, that last MS match could be pivotal, if it turned out to be a 2-2 affair. Thank goodness CHN's MD2 was able to clinch the tie and title.:cool:
Btw, gotta see the BCL vs. LHI match.:cool:

..the MS2 and MD1 matches and boy, did they turn out as advertised.:cool: The 1st game, in both matches, turned out to be a thriller. As for the MS1, LD came out to set the tempo in the 2nd game and turned the whole match around.

..the MS2 and MD1 matches and boy, did they turn out as advertised.:cool: The 1st game, in both matches, turned out to be a thriller. As for the MS1, LD came out to set the tempo in the 2nd game and turned the whole match around.

Didn't I tell ya our big boy Xie played the match of his life in MD2. Just dominant! ;)

..LYB must've given both of them a big lecture after the Semis round lost...:cool:

LCW was just superb in this tournament -- it is unfortunate, he could not go on to win the TC. He will win the Olympics if he carries on like this. :)

KKK-TBH are still short of their best, losing just to LYD-SJJ (koreans). To blame them would be easy. I like to think it may be a blessing in disguise. The pain of losing out will spur them to train harder. If so, the other gold I predict for Malaysia will come from them. There is time still to get ready for the Olympics, they will peak in time.

Fairuzizuan-Zakry were a top act this time round. Never liked their play before this but hope to see them now moving ahead with their power play. If Fairuzizuan can maintain his accurate smashing, it would win them many tournaments next time. They are ready to take over from the 'uncles'.

..the MS2 and MD1 matches and boy, did they turn out as advertised.:cool: The 1st game, in both matches, turned out to be a thriller. As for the MS1, LD came out to set the tempo in the 2nd game and turned the whole match around.i woke up 5am to catch the first match and stayed for the entire final. When LD lost the first set, it was disturbing for me:D but i know LD has enough arsenal to change tactic. Every chinese coach offered advices, even tang fu ! The MD1 match was excuting too. fhf/cy lost was good in a sense that they know they needed more preparartion before the OG. The MS2 match was another great match. BCL was focused and not overly celebrative. The MD2 match was a surprise as zhongbo/GZD showed lots of determination and creativity. It changed my impression of them as oxen pair.

i woke up 5am to catch the first match and stayed for the entire final. When LD lost the first set, it was disturbing for me:D but i know LD has enough arsenal to change tactic. Every chinese coach offered advices, even tang fu ! The MD1 match was excuting too. fhf/cy lost was good in a sense that they know they needed more preparartion before the OG. The MS2 match was another great match. BCL was focused and not overly celebrative. The MD2 match was a surprise as zhongbo/GZD showed lots of determination and creativity. It changed my impression of them as oxen pair.

Basically, you've been referring them as a pair of cows MOOOOOOO!. :D:D:D

Basically, you've been referring them as a pair of cows MOOOOOOO!. :D:D:Di hope not, cows are female:p and stay home while oxen plows field:p

good try by the koreans, if they had won MD2, it would have been a nerve wrecking finish.

congrats to CHN, they didn't play their best, but second gear was good enough to beat everyone else in the end.

TC 08 is reminds me about TC 04. Both finals are in a similar fashion.

1. LD fights his way to get the 1st match, therefore, set the tone.

2. Fu/Cai fought, but lost. However, no one can again say CHN MD is a surely given.

3. BCL plays as the god in both time. Regardless his reputation throughout his career, he's definitely the hero from both time. Playing his way out, and got the final smile in a nail bitter.

4. The suppose to be "free falling" CHN MD2 wrapped the match and raise the TC for the team. Bao's match really fired up the team, and they have a reliable MS3 (CY's chance might not be as great as Xia in 2004, but who else have a top 10 candidate for MS3?) who mostly will win anyway. On the other side, everyone knows once it drags to MS3, it's pretty much the time to engrave CHN on the cup. Therefore, opponent's MD2 facing a "lose now or lose later" situation, and pretty much the game is over before it starts.

- thruout this tournament, CHN played in 1st gear up to 2nd gear only. never was their intention to win it. TC already won many times b4 and this year their ultimate dream is Beijing Olympics.
- lin dan, bao chunlai, cai yun/fu haifeng are undergoing training schedule designed to peak in ultimate target.
- the gameplan was that they purposely din want any of their opponents to study their best game and got chance to counter them during Aug;
- unfortunately, the Szechuan tragedy compelled the Chinese team to win it finally and bring some cheer to the grieving nation.

BCL plays as the god in both time. Regardless his reputation throughout his career, he's definitely the hero from both time. Playing his way out, and got the final smile in a nail bitter.


True true. Although Bao is classed as a nealry man in Open Tournaments, he surely has always performed when Neccessary in TC. In Many Ways 2nd MS is the most pressure, since altough MS1, MD1 are often 50/50 because the top players in the top nations are pretty even, and the MS3, is normally more predictable, then the MS2 is the hingeing tie.

- thruout this tournament, CHN played in 1st gear up to 2nd gear only. never was their intention to win it. TC already won many times b4 and this year their ultimate dream is Beijing Olympics.
- lin dan, bao chunlai, cai yun/fu haifeng are undergoing training schedule designed to peak in ultimate target.
- the gameplan was that they purposely din want any of their opponents to study their best game and got chance to counter them during Aug;
- unfortunately, the Szechuan tragedy compelled the Chinese team to win it finally and bring some cheer to the grieving nation.
interesting! wonder where did you got your info from?

interesting! wonder where did you got your info from?


I think they made it up.....

No country can "accidently" win the thomas cup......I assume pralinescream is inferring that China Team Failed by winning.

I don't see how Chinese players Losing (Eg. Lin, Cai/Fu etc..) will help them to conceal their skills. I am pretty sure opponenets have have a pretty good chance to see how they play like by now, they are not new kids on the block.

Moreso by losing, the have helped their opponents by giving them confidence that they can beat them, so they will feel less pressure in later tournaments.

LCW was just superb in this tournament -- it is unfortunate, he could not go on to win the TC. He will win the Olympics if he carries on like this. :)

KKK-TBH are still short of their best, losing just to LYD-SJJ (koreans). To blame them would be easy. I like to think it may be a blessing in disguise. The pain of losing out will spur them to train harder. If so, the other gold I predict for Malaysia will come from them. There is time still to get ready for the Olympics, they will peak in time.

Fairuzizuan-Zakry were a top act this time round. Never liked their play before this but hope to see them now moving ahead with their power play. If Fairuzizuan can maintain his accurate smashing, it would win them many tournaments next time. They are ready to take over from the 'uncles'.

I think splitting up KKK/TBH seems inevitable as these two doesn't seem like really want to play together, I am sure Rexy has his hand full about who to send for the Olympic. To me, KKK/TBH combo is much more lethal than any pair in Malaysia if their mind set is right which somehow becomes a rare occurance for whatever reason, I hope it won't turn out like another Cheah Soon Kit and Yap Kim Hock nasty relationship.
My guess is Rexy will try to put KKK/CTF to try out after Olympic but he most probably will see the same problem with this combo.

- thruout this tournament, CHN played in 1st gear up to 2nd gear only. never was their intention to win it. TC already won many times b4 and this year their ultimate dream is Beijing Olympics.
- lin dan, bao chunlai, cai yun/fu haifeng are undergoing training schedule designed to peak in ultimate target.
- the gameplan was that they purposely din want any of their opponents to study their best game and got chance to counter them during Aug;
- unfortunately, the Szechuan tragedy compelled the Chinese team to win it finally and bring some cheer to the grieving nation.


I seriously doubt it.

To CHN players, the nation is always more important than individual (whether we like it or whether themsevles like it). There's no more important team honor than team events as SC, TC and UC. I doubt the players want to hold back, and only play 80% and let the opponents walk away with the cup. :rolleyes:

Conspiracy theory is thriving... :D We all see the frustration on Lin and FHF/CY's face, so either they are great actors, or they indeed wanted to win.

I agree with the 2nd point (I've made it bold), which is quite reasonable. But the same can be said for players from other countries.

te=pralinescream;879851]- thruout this tournament, CHN played in 1st gear up to 2nd gear only. never was their intention to win it. TC already won many times b4 and this year their ultimate dream is Beijing Olympics.
- lin dan, bao chunlai, cai yun/fu haifeng are undergoing training schedule designed to peak in ultimate target.
- the gameplan was that they purposely din want any of their opponents to study their best game and got chance to counter them during Aug;
- unfortunately, the Szechuan tragedy compelled the Chinese team to win it finally and bring some cheer to the grieving nation.[/quote]

I seriously doubt it.

To CHN players, the nation is always more important than individual (whether we like it or whether themsevles like it). There's no more important team honor than team events as SC, TC and UC. I doubt the players want to hold back, and only play 80% and let the opponents walk away with the cup. :rolleyes:

as i've mentioned, and i'll like to stress again
/top target is Beijing Olympics - as many gold as possible.
/last time in tokyo after they give full force in Thomas Cup, other countries studied their strengths and weaknesses; so China din do well in Athens at all.

/*li yongbo has learnt his lesson well. he'll not let history repeat. thomas cup not so important (once in 2 years) like Olympic is one in 4 years. Furthermore Thomas Cup doesn't count in Overall Medals Tally.
China must climb highest possible in Beijing.

as i've mentioned, and i'll like to stress again
/top target is Beijing Olympics - as many gold as possible.
/last time in tokyo after they give full force in Thomas Cup, other countries studied their strengths and weaknesses; so China din do well in Athens at all.

/*li yongbo has learnt his lesson well. he'll not let history repeat. thomas cup not so important (once in 2 years) like Olympic is one in 4 years. Furthermore Thomas Cup doesn't count in Overall Medals Tally.
China must climb highest possible in Beijing.

If like that, LYB should never send LD to nearly as many tournament at all. He should "hide" him, and only give him enough pt to qualify for OG. Then, LD can "hide everything" and "draw least attention", and raise the gold medal...

All the CHN players (men and women) are well studied by the opponents. Whether they play for real in TC/UC, or attend it at all, the opponents going to pay enough attention to them. I seriously doubt that LCW, TH, PSH and PG will really take LD or BCL very lightly, just even if CHN did not win TC.

Everyone has a good day and bad day. Whether it's OG, or TC or SC or another open tourny, a player can win or lose. If you want to study your opponent, you need to study him/her for a long enough period. I really wonder how you can believe 1 tournament can make you "fully understand" you opponent, and within such a short period of time, you have an effective way to counter. :rolleyes:

I seriously doubt it.

To CHN players, the nation is always more important than individual (whether we like it or whether themsevles like it). There's no more important team honor than team events as SC, TC and UC. I doubt the players want to hold back, and only play 80% and let the opponents walk away with the cup. :rolleyes:

The first part of your statement is correct (nation above self). But that's exactly why they are giving the top most priority to the Olympics and not to the badminton event called Thomas Cup. In case you don't know yet, this year's Olympics will be held in China. Also, China has a realistic chance of topping the medals tally. That's why it is of utmost importance for all China athletes to peak for the Olympics. Every single gold medal counts! (The last Olympics in 2004, China was #2 with 28 gold medals. USA had just 4 more.) Although we fan boys are crazy for TC but it is nothing compared to the Olympics, no matter how you slice it.

Yes they wanted to win this Thomas Cup, on the condition that it won't jeopardise their Olympics chances. That means playing while keeping in mind not to injure themselves, and key players not to play thru injury. And I can't rule out the possibility that LYB was making use of TC for the benefit of their Olympic chances. For example, letting LCW win against LD isn't a bad thing. Now LCW is the greatest threat to LD's gold medal. As we all know, M'sian players can win only if they are the underdogs. Same for LCW. If he enters Olympics as the underdog, he is dangerous for LD. But if he defeats LD before Olympics, then he is not considered the underdog anymore, and there would be expectations for LCW to beat LD again during Olympics. Then most likely he won't. If I were LYB i'd think that it's worth it to throw away 1 point in the TC semifinals in exchange for a 20% increase in the chances for this year's Olympics men singles gold medal. Besides, LYB probably thought that they are strong enuf to still defeat M'sia even after LD gives up one point.

Think about it: TC is held once every 2 years. Olympics will be held in China probably once every 30 years at least.

If like that, LYB should never send LD to nearly as many tournament at all. He should "hide" him, and only give him enough pt to qualify for OG. Then, LD can "hide everything" and "draw least attention", and raise the gold medal...


LYB could not hide LD and BCL until after they had secured all 3 men singles spots for Olympics. To defeat the quota of maximum 2 participants from each country, LD & BCL & Chen Jin had to be ranked very high (I don't remember the exact criteria). That's why LD & BCL had to keep entering tournaments earlier this year in order to clear away the obstacles so that Chen Jin could score as many points as possible (case in point: All England 2008).

I agree that OG is more important to LYB than TC. And therefore I agree that (for example) LD is not in his peak form. But to say that he is "hiding" his major weapons or didn't want to win is going too far. Watch the videos. Did LD look like he didn't care?

Furthermore the same is true for many other countries. For example, Nathan Robertson chose not to attend TC due to minor injury, Robert Blair has no injury, but still chose not to come because he wants to prepare for OG.

Next, there is so far no "story of success" of the strategy of "hiding". TH didn't hide any new skill or new tactic before OG04, WC05, and AG06. In particular one month before WC05 he beat the hell out of LD (WC05 would be a counter-example if LD was "hiding" anything in Singapore 05 :D); LD didn't hide anything before WC06, 07. Is there a single example that deliberately losing (when you are in fact able to win that particular match) leading to winning a big title?

Now about LD/LYB "letting" LCW win. It would be a good strategy if LD just walked around on court and played in a lazy way like HH. That way LCW would be frustrated since he knew LD didn't want to win. But LD actually tried hard in TC and still lost to LCW tamely. Such a bigwin will boost much LCW's confidence against LD (which is definitely bad news for LD).

Finally, I doubt LYB has the courage to deliberately giving TC up. No one can guarantee his "secret weapons" (if there is any) will work in OG. There is a substantial possibility that China cannot do as good as Sydney. In that case, of course he will be blamed for OG failure, but his "enemies" will also use his "deliberate losing" in TC to attack him.

So overall, my opinion is: It's very likely that LD is not in his 100% form, but he definitely didn't deliberately lose to LCW. And this bad loss to LCW will have negative effect on LD's confidence. :cool:

All the CHN players (men and women) are well studied by the opponents. Whether they play for real in TC/UC, or attend it at all, the opponents going to pay enough attention to them. I seriously doubt that LCW, TH, PSH and PG will really take LD or BCL very lightly, just even if CHN did not win TC.


Yep Lin Dan has been number 1 virtually consistently since 2003. If his opponents don't know what his game is now, they are really not doing there job properly. I have watched him since then, and he certainly hasn't changed his game style since then.

Though we fan boys are crazy for TC but it is nothing compared to the Olympics, no matter how you slice it.

For example, letting LCW win against LD isn't a bad thing. Because as we know, M'sian players can win only if they are the underdogs.

Yes I agree that Olympics is higher profile to the general public, and contributes towards the china medal tally.

But I don't know how you think that giving LCW victory against LD will increase LD chances of beating him in OG. This will give LCW confidence, which is his biggest weakness in his game.

At the end of the day I don't believe CHN would give up the thomas cup. There are only Four Major Events in Badminton, TC/UC, SC, OG & WC. It is foolish to think any team would give this up.

If we take a look at this TC, we will see the two important games, Against MAS in SF and KOR in Final we will see :

-In the SF despite as you put it CHN "gave" :rolleyes:LCW victory against LD to make it 1-0 and although they were only, as others have put it "in 1st or 2nd Gear" they still managed victory against MAS top doubles pair against the pair who are apparently in tough secret training which has drained their energy to play well:confused:, then in MS3 CJ looking to protect himself for the vastly more important OG -which is all china are interested in this year of course- manages to injure himself and instead of retiring like he should do to protect himself for the important OG, he plays on to carry to avoid the bad sportmanship of retiring in the flagship event he simply plays in pain and doesn't strain himself further and loses gallantly:rolleyes:........................oops sorry no he didn't he kept playing hard and fought a victory to enable his oh so tired teammates to play another day.:D

-In the final LD who does not want to strain himself manages to pull himelf into three games (I assume this is because he wanted to give his tired teamates a bit more rest before they had to play.:rolleyes: either that or he wanted to play his "fake" game for longer so his opponents wouldhave more chance to study the wrong LD!:rolleyes:) Then his MD colleagues come up against the Best MD pair in the world on recent form and take the game to 25-23, making a comeback in the process. Then Poor fatigued bao, managed to push the comeback kid LHI to 28-26 in the first end (exposing his lack of stamina in the process- that was clever of CHN:rolleyes:), finally china's 2nd MD get bored with playing the 2nd gear match play, get bored and decide to just win as quick as possible and go home (or do you tihnk this was KOR counter tactic?! these conspiracies are really confusing:crying:)



To summarise my view in the End CHN didn't give it up, they won after all...LYB is one of, if not the most decorated coaches of all time. He did not become this decorated by letting rivals win tournaments. Yes he may arrange his players so they can win more tournaments, but as a competitive coach and representative of China he would not give his opponents a chance to say they beat him on purpose, if they are beaten, they are beaten fair and square.

That may be true for CJ and BCL. But it's definitely not necessary for LD to be World No.1. Think about it, LD can lose >20000 pts and still be ranked No. 3. At the same time CJ can still get the same position, No. 4.

Furthermore, according to your "underdog" theory, it's good for LD to let LCW be World No.1, isn't it? ;)

LYB could not hide LD and BCL until after they had secured all 3 men singles spots for Olympics. To defeat the quota of maximum 2 participants from each country, LD & BCL & Chen Jin had to be ranked very high (I don't remember the exact criteria). That's why LD & BCL had to keep entering tournaments earlier this year in order to clear away the obstacles so that Chen Jin could score as many points as possible (case in point: All England 2008).

OMG, that's the best post I read in years! :D

Also totally agree with you on the non-humorous parts, in particular LCW lacking confidence.

Yep Lin Dan has been number 1 virtually consistently since 2003. If his opponents don't know what his game is now, they are really not doing there job properly. I have watched him since then, and he certainly hasn't changed his game style since then.



Yes I agree that Olympics is higher profile to the general public, and contributes towards the china medal tally.

But I don't know how you think that giving LCW victory against LD will increase LD chances of beating him in OG. This will give LCW confidence, which is his biggest weakness in his game.

At the end of the day I don't believe CHN would give up the thomas cup. There are only Four Major Events in Badminton, TC/UC, SC, OG & WC. It is foolish to think any team would give this up.

If we take a look at this TC, we will see the two important games, Against MAS in SF and KOR in Final we will see :

-In the SF despite as you put it CHN "gave" :rolleyes:LCW victory against LD to make it 1-0 and although they were only, as others have put it "in 1st or 2nd Gear" they still managed victory against MAS top doubles pair against the pair who are apparently in tough secret training which has drained their energy to play well:confused:, then in MS3 CJ looking to protect himself for the vastly more important OG -which is all china are interested in this year of course- manages to injure himself and instead of retiring like he should do to protect himself for the important OG, he plays on to carry to avoid the bad sportmanship of retiring in the flagship event he simply plays in pain and doesn't strain himself further and loses gallantly:rolleyes:........................oops sorry no he didn't he kept playing hard and fought a victory to enable his oh so tired teammates to play another day.:D

-In the final LD who does not want to strain himself manages to pull himelf into three games (I assume this is because he wanted to give his tired teamates a bit more rest before they had to play.:rolleyes: either that or he wanted to play his "fake" game for longer so his opponents wouldhave more chance to study the wrong LD!:rolleyes:) Then his MD colleagues come up against the Best MD pair in the world on recent form and take the game to 25-23, making a comeback in the process. Then Poor fatigued bao, managed to push the comeback kid LHI to 28-26 in the first end (exposing his lack of stamina in the process- that was clever of CHN:rolleyes:), finally china's 2nd MD get bored with playing the 2nd gear match play, get bored and decide to just win as quick as possible and go home (or do you tihnk this was KOR counter tactic?! these conspiracies are really confusing:crying:)



To summarise my view in the End CHN didn't give it up, they won after all...LYB is one of, if not the most decorated coaches of all time. He did not become this decorated by letting rivals win tournaments. Yes he may arrange his players so they can win more tournaments, but as a competitive coach and representative of China he would not give his opponents a chance to say they beat him on purpose, if they are beaten, they are beaten fair and square.

LOL, Jamesd20, kah kah kah, you've made my morning, started with laughter. :D:D

But I don't know how you think that giving LCW victory against LD will increase LD chances of beating him in OG. This will give LCW confidence, which is his biggest weakness in his game.
Absolutely spot on, Mr d20 :p

Lee Chong Wei truly possesses an abundance of physical stamina (and skill).
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for his mental stamina.

At times, LCW appears to be too timid an opponent for his own good, easily tormented and overrun by his own errors.

At other times, he can also be a indefatigable limpet, hanging on till the opponent makes the first error or gives up from sheer exasperation (e.g. the last game of the Malaysia Open 2007 Final against Lin Dan, the first game of the All England Open 2008 encounter with Taufik Hidayat).

In short, LCW performance in the Thomas Cup looks ominous for China ;)

at the end of the day, regardless of the TC result, as long as all the top players give it their all, we're all in for a treat. all these mind games before the tournament are to be expected, but i wouldn't read too much into it. interesting analysis though, hahaha ...

If I were LYB i'd think that it's worth it to throw away 1 point in the TC semifinals in exchange for a 20% increase in the chances for this year's Olympics men singles gold medal. Besides, LYB probably thought that they are strong enuf to still defeat M'sia even after LD gives up one point.



From when LYB can be so confident that even if LD simply gives up, CHN can defeat opponent by using still fairly weaker MD line ups? :rolleyes: I believe more than 75% of our fans think CHN is done in semi, after LD lost to LCW. Only "miracle" happened, as Fu/Cai took back the "suppose to be 1 free pt" from MAS.

If you are talking about LYB somehow want to throw away 1 point in UC, I agree. If you are talking about LYB wants to let his MD take a break, after LD's victory, I might believe it. However, I don't think LYB has the guts to say, let LD lose the deciding point, and trying to make a good excuse in front of 1.3B ppl. :rolleyes: Regardless whether TC/UC is more important than OG or not, if LYB does not even give up any open tournament, you tell me he wants to give 1 of the most important team cup free, and as early as in semi???

Now, let's not talk about LYB, but talk about LD. Whether we like him or not, we know he's ultra competitive. If this guy can fight with his coach in an "inter team" simulation game, you tell me to let this guy lose face in TC? You tell me to let this guy swallow his pride, and let the 1.3B ppl blame him to throw away the "set the tone" point? Even if LYB send such order, I wonder LD will gladly accept it, not before kicking LYB's rear end. :p

Well Said LB.

It seems these days you can't play a match without the result being called into question by a conspiracy theory, one way or the other.

i reckon, other than KOR's skullduggery to ensure their best possible path to the final (fair play to them in my view), there weren't really any controversies in this year's TC. a good mix of excitement and dissapointment, some excellent games and in the end the most consistent team (and favourites) won. good job, well done, now on to the olympics. if the line-judging there is as good as the line-judging here, there shouldn't be any complaints.

That's the beauty of conspiracy theory... :D

Well Said LB.

It seems these days you can't play a match without the result being called into question by a conspiracy theory, one way or the other.

Well Said LB.

It seems these days you can't play a match without the result being called into question by a conspiracy theory, one way or the other.


Like I mentioned in other threads many times, there are so call "fair and honest" fans keep picking dirts, mostly toward CHN, which won most of the titles regardless individual or team events. Regardless what CHN do, being it win or lose, or whatever, some ppl can keep poking.

They win as a cheater who gets lucky because there's no written rule, and they lose as a cheater who deserves the punishment from god. Well, regardless what they do, they are pre-labeled as "cheaters" to begin with. This is great, it's like you are in the court, only can pary for how serious the penalty is, but you are already "dead meat" before even step in. :o

I don't see any substantial connection between your post and what is being discussed here... :cool:

Like I mentioned in other threads many times, there are so call "fair and honest" fans keep picking dirts, mostly toward CHN, which won most of the titles regardless individual or team events. Regardless what CHN do, being it win or lose, or whatever, some ppl can keep poking.

They win as a cheater who gets lucky because there's no written rule, and they lose as a cheater who deserves the punishment from god. Well, regardless what they do, they are pre-labeled as "cheaters" to begin with. This is great, it's like you are in the court, only can pary for how serious the penalty is, but you are already "dead meat" before even step in. :o

I don't see any substantial connection between your post and what is being discussed here... :cool:


Maybe I am over sensitive about this topic. However, I am not a judge or a lawyer, and I don't have to present solid proof to "smell" anything. ;)

Totally agree that China would not purposefully give up MS1 to mess up LCW. Having said that I wouldn't underestimate the pressure that LCW will feel now that he has conquered "the man". Based on my observations 1001 voices will clamour out of the woodwork now proclaiming him a favourite.

He's just not the same player as the favourite. I don't see him as mentally weak it's more that his mental state relfects the style of game he plays fluid and intuitive and in flux. So the added confidence is never lasting and can quickly swing to the other extreme. It will be a huge task for his handlers to keep him in the "happy" zone for the next 3 months.

So I'm not sure he's better off or not having beaten LD given all the expectations that will be heaped on him now.

Yep Lin Dan has been number 1 virtually consistently since 2003. If his opponents don't know what his game is now, they are really not doing there job properly. I have watched him since then, and he certainly hasn't changed his game style since then.



Yes I agree that Olympics is higher profile to the general public, and contributes towards the china medal tally.

But I don't know how you think that giving LCW victory against LD will increase LD chances of beating him in OG. This will give LCW confidence, which is his biggest weakness in his game.

At the end of the day I don't believe CHN would give up the thomas cup. There are only Four Major Events in Badminton, TC/UC, SC, OG & WC. It is foolish to think any team would give this up.

to start putting hope on LCW. Tell LCW to do whatever he feels appropriate in OG. Tell MAS players not a single medal will be expected from them. :cool:

to start putting hope on LCW. Tell LCW to do whatever he feels appropriate in OG. Tell MAS players not a single medal will be expected from them. :cool:
how can u said like that, dude?
every nations or every players has a hope in the OG08..!!
its not stupid to putting hopen on lcw, its juz our personal opinion...
everyone has rights to speak out.

If you keep putting hope on LCW, most likely he will feel much pressure and under-perform in OG and lose to Sony or Boonsak or CJ or whoever and even have no chance to face LD. :cool:

how can u said like that, dude?
every nations or every players has a hope in the OG08..!!
its not stupid to putting hopen on lcw, its juz our personal opinion...
everyone has rights to speak out.

If you keep putting hope on LCW, most likely he will feel much pressure and under-perform in OG and lose to Sony or Boonsak or CJ or whoever and even have no chance to face LD. :cool:
i think he had been all kInd of pressures since the athens OLIMPICS 04..im sure he will learn from his mistakes earlier...
mabe lin dan will not had a chance to face lcw in the final?:)
becoz he`s playing in his home ground and surely he wll be under pressure..:)

Totally agree that China would not purposefully give up MS1 to mess up LCW. Having said that I wouldn't underestimate the pressure that LCW will feel now that he has conquered "the man". Based on my observations 1001 voices will clamour out of the woodwork now proclaiming him a favourite.

He's just not the same player as the favourite. I don't see him as mentally weak it's more that his mental state relfects the style of game he plays fluid and intuitive and in flux. So the added confidence is never lasting and can quickly swing to the other extreme. It will be a huge task for his handlers to keep him in the "happy" zone for the next 3 months.

So I'm not sure he's better off or not having beaten LD given all the expectations that will be heaped on him now.
well, whether LYB fixes his match or not really come down how much one want to support their own logic. when LD lost the first set 12-21, chinese coaches didnt seem urgent advising LD. When LD lost to PSH on the first set 10-21, practically all the chinese coaches were advising LD, including tang fu. On the 2nd set, LD play the same way against lcw. On the 2nd set against PSH, pace and urgency of LD was increased. Everybody can sings their own tune, i just observe.

Please keep in mind that this is only your subjective observation. ;) It seemed to me LD tried to be faster at the net in the 2nd game.

well, whether LYB fixes his match or not really come down how much one want to support their own logic. when LD lost the first set 12-21, chinese coaches didnt seem urgent advising LD. When LD lost to PSH on the first set 10-21, practically all the chinese coaches were advising LD, including tang fu. On the 2nd set, LD play the same way against lcw. On the 2nd set against PSH, pace and urgency of LD was increased. Everybody can sings their own tune, i just observe.

Please keep in mind that this is only your subjective observation. ;) It seemed to me LD tried to be faster at the net in the 2nd game.
yes, i DID SAID it was my observation.
LD also smahses out, into the net too on easy kills, unusual unforced errors

Since when LD always smashes in? :eek: You must have filtered all of LD's previous mistakes out of your memory... :D

yes, i DID SAID it was my observation.
LD also smahses out, into the net too on easy kills, unusual unforced errors

to start putting hope on LCW. Tell LCW to do whatever he feels appropriate in OG. Tell MAS players not a single medal will be expected from them. :cool:

Too bad, this wouldnt happen :p. The decision makers already set target, medal of any colour for OG, and best chance to come from badminton. If dont win a medal, OG compaign this edition = failure. This has been hyped since last year. Like George said, LCW has had this pressure since 2004, by now used to it.
LCW will still not be the hot favourite for OG, LD will be.

[...] mabe lin dan will not had a chance to face lcw in the final?:)
becoz he`s playing in his home ground and surely he wll be under pressure..:)

Of course, of course :p

If you keep putting hope on LCW, most likely he will feel much pressure and under-perform in OG... [...] :cool:

Maybe LCW shouldn't read newspapers, watch TV, browse online forums or listen to radio (or people) until the 2008 Olympics is over and done with :rolleyes:

Of course, of course :p



Maybe LCW shouldn't read newspapers, watch TV, browse online forums or listen to radio (or people) until the 2008 Olympics is over and done with :rolleyes:
and ronald susilo will try his best to do his miracles again:p:p:p
haha...could that happen? lolx

it was very clear that Lin Dan purposely lost to lee chongwei.
he din even bothered to prepare well for the lee chongwei game. this was mentioned by the gillian clark.
furthermore, super dan just played at leisurely pace. most of points won by lee was due to either super dan purposely sent it out, and deliberately moved ever so slowly.

and lee, misbun (and most of us here oso) has fallen into the trap carefully setup by yongbo.
with pressure build up by malaysian public and media, lee kenot sustain the mental strength and definitely lose easily in early rnds to weak players. (like wat happended in WC KL). den super dan will take clear path to gold.

super dan will unleash new weapons in his arsenal and will peak in Aug to ensure gold for CHN.

I never thought Lin Dan will risk his pride just to proceed with Yong Bo's master plan

Of course, of course :p



Maybe LCW shouldn't read newspapers, watch TV, browse online forums or listen to radio (or people) until the 2008 Olympics is over and done with :rolleyes:
He doesnt need extreme privacy.Isolated from community.Who will need that?
Just support from his people.

Plus wmc.They went public lately and perhaps we'll have another wedding.have a thread 'Who's going?"

it was very clear that Lin Dan purposely lost to lee chongwei.
he din even bothered to prepare well for the lee chongwei game. this was mentioned by the gillian clark.
furthermore, super dan just played at leisurely pace. most of points won by lee was due to either super dan purposely sent it out, and deliberately moved ever so slowly.

and lee, misbun (and most of us here oso) has fallen into the trap carefully setup by yongbo.
with pressure build up by malaysian public and media, lee kenot sustain the mental strength and definitely lose easily in early rnds to weak players. (like wat happended in WC KL). den super dan will take clear path to gold.

super dan will unleash new weapons in his arsenal and will peak in Aug to ensure gold for CHN.

We must be watching the different video, I didn't hear Gillian Clark mentioned the lost was intentional. Lin Dan was nervous and made a lot of un-force errors but Lin Dan did try to make a come back on Game 2 and was leading at certain stage. A lost is lost and stop finding excuse for Lin Dan, he simply played awful while Chong Wei played close to perfect. quoted by both commentators. Gillian Clarks did wonder the lost may be the carry over from All England where Lin Dan lost to his team mate due to management decision? This were all speculation from her part and was brought out as discussion between her and the male commentator as I recall. Those who have watch the video can correct me if I am wrong, is important not to mis-quote what someone said, in my opinion.

Han, I don't think pralinescream actually said Gillian Clark said she thought this was the case, just that she mentioned it, as you agreed.

I don't think we are adding anything to this discussion either, We all have a different and as usual with this type of discussion we tend to move to the extreme of our opinion.

After all the thread is about the Final not SF:confused:

it was very clear that Lin Dan purposely lost to lee chongwei.
he din even bothered to prepare well for the lee chongwei game. this was mentioned by the gillian clark.
furthermore, super dan just played at leisurely pace. most of points won by lee was due to either super dan purposely sent it out, and deliberately moved ever so slowly.

and lee, misbun (and most of us here oso) has fallen into the trap carefully setup by yongbo.
with pressure build up by malaysian public and media, lee kenot sustain the mental strength and definitely lose easily in early rnds to weak players. (like wat happended in WC KL). den super dan will take clear path to gold.

super dan will unleash new weapons in his arsenal and will peak in Aug to ensure gold for CHN.
pralinescream, u should check this thread, it's about LCW vs LD at the TC SF
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55719

Those who suggest LD deliberately lost/deliberately move slowly, could you please suggest a match between LD and LCW in the past two years in which you think LD moved normally? Then we can make a comparision right?

We must be watching the different video, I didn't hear Gillian Clark mentioned the lost was intentional. Lin Dan was nervous and made a lot of un-force errors but Lin Dan did try to make a come back on Game 2 and was leading at certain stage. A lost is lost and stop finding excuse for Lin Dan, he simply played awful while Chong Wei played close to perfect. quoted by both commentators. Gillian Clarks did wonder the lost may be the carry over from All England where Lin Dan lost to his team mate due to management decision? This were all speculation from her part and was brought out as discussion between her and the male commentator as I recall. Those who have watch the video can correct me if I am wrong, is important not to mis-quote what someone said, in my opinion.

u r the one who misquote pralinescream. i've just said gill clark said lin dan din prepare well for the match. he was involved in sumthg else. she mentioned this quite lotsa time.

how can anybody who follows badminton closely expect the most consistent player in the world for the past 3 years to feel nervous and off-colour when facing one of his closest challenger?? that's a very naive thinking!!

yes, the raging competitive spirit of lin dan was being suppressed by master coach li yongbo. but even the master coach couldn't hold back his charging horse.
this is clearly evident in TC final after the 1st set against park sung wan. super dan appealed to his coaches dat he begged the coaches to let him destroy park. which he did, in the 2nd and 3rd sets.;)