After their strong display on this year TC and UC. Can we conclude that Korea is the 2nd strongest badminton nation after China?!

IMO they have a very well-rounded team and has decent players in each of the category. Meanwhile, Ina and Denmark are lacking of new talents to replace their aging elders. But I also find Malaysia is emerging the 3rd place (and taking over INA) but they are still missing the mental strength and consistently of the Chinese and Korean.

Thought and Opinion? Maybe mod can help me to setup an yes / no poll. ;)

The malaysian are still missing consistency, because they are missing discipline

I would rank both Malaysia and Korea even on par.

I would rank both Malaysia and Korea even on par.
It's hard to rank nation with just the Thomas Cup or Uber Cup alone.
What happens if the format of play would be 3 doubles and 2 singles? Or 5 singles 4 doubles? By that who knows China might not be the strongest nation?

But by the current format of play, I would say Korea would certainly beat Malaysia by 3-1. It's not hard to figure out isnt it?

But by the current format of play, I would say Korea would certainly beat Malaysia by 3-1. It's not hard to figure out isnt it?


That remain to be seen, but clearly the KOR have the edge on discipline and Mentality.

That remain to be seen, but clearly the KOR have the edge on discipline and Mentality.

Kor have the edge in Strategy :rolleyes: I think MAS still have a slight edge on KOR...

After their strong display on this year TC and UC. Can we conclude that Korea is the 2nd strongest badminton nation after China?!

IMO they have a very well-rounded team and has decent players in each of the category. Meanwhile, Ina and Denmark are lacking of new talents to replace their aging elders. But I also find Malaysia is emerging the 3rd place (and taking over INA) but they are still missing the mental strength and consistently of the Chinese and Korean.

Thought and Opinion? Maybe mod can help me to setup an yes / no poll. ;)

In my opinion, we should consider other aspects like current world ranking and championship title of their shuttlers and...also dont forget mix doubles which not included in TC and UC..:rolleyes::cool:

I would rank both Malaysia and Korea even on par.

Well, I have to agree with yen_saw. In fact I would dare to say that Malaysia is second rank below China in TC respect. QUoted from the outspoken Li YongBo's comments which stated that Malaysian team has stretched their team capability. Its been a long time that China have not met such challenge given by other country in Badminton lately.

Let see the stats: LCW easily put off Lin Dan straight set whereby Korean First Single had no answer to Lin Dan, Fairurizuan & Zakry easily put off the experienced China Side (straight set), The only problem with Ken Kiat and hs partner is they are supposed to win as expected, but they failed. Hafiz and WCH are well, ermm well calculated risk then. both are on the weakest link -Given Hafiz Hashim shld put off that weak mentality and start to show real stuff. OR Maybe they shld put HH to fight Bao Chunlai earlier as he got a good record with this BC guy.Malaysia shld easily cruise Over China if HH vs BC (as commented by One of the Indo Coach) and GOlden Dble KK/TBH did their what their supposed to do.

Korean is good in Double, however failed to shine over the weakest double of China in final. Well all thing also not well for Korean, eventhough they try to play avoidance strategy when they purposely lose to Malaysia - Well hw unsporting attitude (THIS IS ONE OF THE REASON KOREAN SHLDN'T BE THE SECOND strongest in this TC) - Cowardice Strategy.

Indo surprisingly struggling to fight Korean = 3-0 flat is worst record for Indonesian team. I' expecting one my fav single player -TH to shine . Well it was not his day then.

Well Overall Look at the record for better proof China vs Korea = 3-1? China vs Malaysia (3-2) lor? Just figure it out . WHich is the best? And Malaysia wld certainly has the ability to beat Korean, well this is their first time in final with such cowardice Strategy...

Open for comments sorry if there are not so precise comments. Well just an overview and simplistic approach.

In my opinion, we should consider other aspects like current world ranking and championship title of their shuttlers and...also dont forget mix doubles which not included in TC and UC..:rolleyes::cool:

True, XD is the weak field for both Kor and Mas.

Well, I have to agree with yen_saw. In fact I would dare to say that Malaysia is second rank below China in TC respect. QUoted from the outspoken Li YongBo's comments which stated that Malaysian team has stretched their team capability. Its been a long time that China have not met such challenge given by other country in Badminton lately.

Let see the stats: LCW easily put off Lin Dan straight set whereby Korean First Single had no answer to Lin Dan, Fairurizuan & Zakry easily put off the experienced China Side (straight set), The only problem with Ken Kiat and hs partner is they are supposed to win as expected, but they failed. Hafiz and WCH are well, ermm well calculated risk then. both are on the weakest link -Given Hafiz Hashim shld put off that weak mentality and start to show real stuff. OR Maybe they shld put HH to fight Bao Chunlai earlier as he got a good record with this BC guy.Malaysia shld easily cruise Over China if HH vs BC (as commented by One of the Indo Coach) and GOlden Dble KK/TBH did their what their supposed to be.

Korean is good in Double, however failed to shine over the weakest double of China in final. Well all thing also not well for Korean, eventhough they try to play avoidance strategy when they purposely lose to Malaysia - Well hw unsporting attitude (THIS IS ONE OF THE REASON KOREAN SHLDN'T BE THE SECOND strongest in this TC) - Cowardice Strategy.

Indo surprisingly struggling to fight Korean = 3-0 flat is worst record for Indonesian team. I' expecting one my fav single player -TH to shine . Well it was not his day then.

Well Overall Look at the record for better proof China vs Korea = 3-1? China vs Malaysia (3-2) lor? Just figure it out . WHich is the best? And Malaysia wld certainly has the ability to beat Korean, well this is their first time in final with such cowardice Strategy...

Open for comments sorry if there are not so precise comments. Well just an overview and simplistic approach.

I agree with most your points and they are pretty equal on paper. But you do forgot to factor in mentality, which is a known problem for the Malaysia team. It is not hard to find Malaysia is under performing in big events when comparing the numbers of OG, WC and AE title that both countries has claimed.

Yes Wong8Egg, agreeed!

Yeah it seems that there are issues in Mental department of Malaysia Badminton Players. Now the way I see it became a national plague for all sports huhuhhu except SQUASH I think ( Our SQUASH Princess yet again defended her champ title and still World No. 1 Squash Female Player) Well

All I can say is that these guys need to realize their potential and bulk up. We've got one of the best coach around for Single (Misbun Sidek Himself) and Rexy for double. Clearly, Misbun also frustrated with lack of discipline shown by HH and it's also the same for the MD - KK/TBH unexpected play quality - it was simply below par shown by this fellas.

Hopefully there would be better performance formulated for incoming Olympic as we have to fight China in its Own DEN.....

CHN and KOR have very strong and stable players. Individually and as a team, they possess the skills, and also the numbers to forge ahead into the late stages of tournaments.

But how do you rate "best badminton nation"? Do you just look at the male players?

CHN has superb athletes both male and female. As for KOR, their female side is nowhere near CHN's.

MAS only has LCW emerging as a stable player, and non-else.

-dave

LYB had commented in an interview that he saw significant improvement made by many countries; netherland, germany, and korea. (i forgot if he mentioned japan or not).

CHN and KOR have very strong and stable players. Individually and as a team, they possess the skills, and also the numbers to forge ahead into the late stages of tournaments.

But how do you rate "best badminton nation"? Do you just look at the male players?

CHN has superb athletes both male and female. As for KOR, their female side is nowhere near CHN's.

MAS only has LCW emerging as a stable player, and non-else.

-dave

Well LCW isalso not exclxluded from this plague.... Malaysia used to superior in MD...wld love to c much better from D then.

MAS is lacking in depth in the MS area. After LCW, the up and coming youngsters have been inconsistent in their performances. Don't count all the oldies (WCH, Hafiz, Roslin, LTS etc etc) because they'll never be used again at the TC. MAS must be bolder to blood their young MS players to see if they'll make the grade.

KOR will lose LHI and SSM after the Olympics and also need replacements for them. LIke his MAS counterparts, Hong Ji Hoon, their 4th TC MS player is still a somewhat unproven quantity at international level. Unfortunately, my knowledge of KOR men players are limited. Maybe someone like event and other Korean fans can add further.

Both Kor and MAS MDs are strong and deep, so it's a saw-off there.
(PS, I'm only assessing for the men's side of the game)

Mas or Korea better can still be argued. Having said that, Korean coaches definitely have brains. Strategized and helped their team to get into the final while the Malaysian coaches are only good in pointing fingers. They loved KKK/TBH when they win and joined the masses to crucified them when they lost.

I personally feel Mas will win korea 3-2
Here the point
Park lost LCW
JJS/LYD bt CTF/LWW
LHI bt Wong
LJJ/HJM lost KKK/TBH
SSM lost Hafiz

unless something unexpected happens

I personally feel Mas will win korea 3-2
Here the point
Park lost LCW
JJS/LYD bt CTF/LWW
LHI bt Wong
LJJ/HJM lost KKK/TBH
SSM lost Hafiz

unless something unexpected happens

Hafiz will not win against SSM... Hes one of the most pathetic players to be rated so highly.

And neither will Lee Jae-Jin/Hwang Ji-Man lose to KKK/TBH.

MAS is nowhere near KOR in a team event.

-dave

i personally thinks that the korea team are strong in the doubles department..

i personally thinks that the korea team are strong in the doubles department..

ya...totally agree...korea md is superior...

Korea has more depth in the women's side too than MAL

I think KOR and INA are close 2nds considering the ladies team and the mixed doubles event

i personally thinks that the korea team are strong in the doubles department..

Did you just realize that, George? ;)

Korea is 2nd in winning the most title this year, just behind China... if that isn't enough to prove that they are now the 2nd best badminton nation in the world... gee... I don't know what will prove that point.:rolleyes: Or are people just too stubborn to get over the fact that Malay and Indo are no longer as "good" as they once were.:eek:

Or are people just too stubborn to get over the fact that Malay and Indo are no longer as "good" as they once were.:eek:
sir you just made a point.

Korea is 2nd in winning the most title this year, just behind China... if that isn't enough to prove that they are now the 2nd best badminton nation in the world... gee... I don't know what will prove that point.:rolleyes: Or are people just too stubborn to get over the fact that Malay and Indo are no longer as "good" as they once were.:eek:

Hey bananakid, I think it's very clear that KOR is the 2nd best nation in badminton, both men's and women's.

A word of warning though, try not to use the words "Malay" or "Indo" as they carry sensitive connotations. There will be people up in arms about this. MAS or INA respectively would be more appropriate :)

Wholesale changes will be happening to many of the leading countries' men's teams after the Olympics, which further strengthens CHN's status of top dog.
KOR - poss losing LHI, SSM
MAS - poss losing WCH, HH, RH, MD uncles
DEN - poss losing MD (grand) uncles, PG, KJ
INA - poss losing TH, Sony, Luluk/Alvent, Candra/Nova

These players have either declared their intentions to retire or they will be left out as teams look to retool. Only CHN has the continuity while teams like JPN are likely to get stronger. As for Canada....*SIGH*

Hey bananakid, I think it's very clear that KOR is the 2nd best nation in badminton, both men's and women's.

A word of warning though, try not to use the words "Malay" or "Indo" as they carry sensitive connotations. There will be people up in arms about this. MAS or INA respectively would be more appropriate :)


Ooops... don't mean no harm with that... just kinda lazy to type.
Sorry!:p I will remember from now on.

Wholesale changes will be happening to many of the leading countries' men's teams after the Olympics, which further strengthens CHN's status of top dog.
KOR - poss losing LHI, SSM
MAS - poss losing WCH, HH, RH, MD uncles
DEN - poss losing MD (grand) uncles, PG, KJ
INA - poss losing TH, Sony, Luluk/Alvent, Candra/Nova

These players have either declared their intentions to retire or they will be left out as teams look to retool. Only CHN has the continuity while teams like JPN are likely to get stronger. As for Canada....*SIGH*

Any idea who will retire after OG from China? I am guessing CY, ZN, GL?

Any idea who will retire after OG from China? I am guessing CY, ZN, GL?
my guess to add to your list is Zhang Jewen

Any idea who will retire after OG from China? I am guessing CY, ZN, GL?

As far as the men go, yeah, only CY comes to mind but not a big loss to their overall strength. Many juniors, back-up players auditioning to replace him.

my guess to add to your list is Zhang Jewen

For matrimonial purposes :D;)

I would rank both Malaysia and Korea even on par.

Very simple actually, look at the current world rankings of both countries shuttlers in both the singles & doubles. The answer is pretty obvious.

I personally feel Mas will win korea 3-2
Here the point
Park lost LCW
JJS/LYD bt CTF/LWW
LHI bt Wong
LJJ/HJM lost KKK/TBH
SSM lost Hafiz

unless something unexpected happens

KKK/TBH? U still believe they can?

Hafiz? He is not qualify to call himself as a professional badminton player, if u watch his game with CJ.:mad:

I personally feel Mas will win korea 3-2
Here the point
Park lost LCW
JJS/LYD bt CTF/LWW
LHI bt Wong
LJJ/HJM lost KKK/TBH
SSM lost Hafiz

unless something unexpected happens

Yes, yes :rolleyes: but for your info 2008 TC is over.

Maybe Malaysia can try again in the 2010 edition, and maybe then your Hafiz can be upgraded to play 2nd singles.

Korea is number 2...we, INA will be back...we are going to expose more younger players this year.

Did you just realize that, George? ;)
nope, i realise this quite a long time ago already..:)

madbad, good news for u though:)
JUN JAE YOUN HAD BACK ON COURT...AFTER SUFFERING FROM INJURY.

Jun Jae Youn back in Training Korea's top women's singles player, world #11 Jun Jae Youn, is back in training after an injury scare early this month. Sung Han Kook, head coach of Jun's professional team, Daegyo, confirmed that Jun's withdrawal from a domestic tournament on May 1st was due to an acute pain in her left knee. However, as an MRI revealed no evidence of injury, Jun was able to resume training at the Taeneung National Training Centre after a short break.

Although Jun was forced to forego last week's Uber Cup competition pending her treatment and tests, fears that she would not be able to compete at this summer's Olympic Games appear to have subsided. Jun is barely one year into a comeback following a near two-year hiatus due to surgery on the anterior cruciate ligament of her left knee.

George, thank you SIR!:):) That is indeed good news to wake up this Tuesday morning to. JJY for OG GOLD :D:D:D

George, thank you SIR!:):) That is indeed good news to wake up this Tuesday morning to. JJY for OG GOLD :D:D:D
my news certainly makes your day brighter ya?:D:p
haha