Here are the draws:

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draws.aspx?id=21656

Website:www.badminton.es (http://www.badminton.es)

Name:Spanish Badminton Federation

Phone:0034615652770

Email:internacional@badminton.es

Thursday, May 22, 2008 until Sunday, May 25, 2008

From Asia, Djarum players will be participating. They arrive in Madrid tomorrow.

http://www.mujerydeporte.org/noticias/fotos/badminton_tornointern_06.jpg

...you are our/BC's Djarum club connection...;)

Oops wrong, Djarum players already arrived today, and they're staying at:

Ayre Gran Colon Hotel Madrid

http://www.ayrehoteles.com/index.php/ayre_es/nuestros_hoteles/madrid/ayre_gran_hotel_colon/bienvenido

I think this Spanish International Challenge is harder to win compared to next week's tournament in France... More higher ranked players and pairs...

Today's results:

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=21656&y=2008&m=5&d=22

Andre through...
Ari Yuli Wahyu through... [defeated Jan Frochlich, #7 seed, in 24 minutes]
Stenny through...
Andi through...

4 INA MS in the Round of 16 so far... Still waiting for Hendry and Hayom... :)

The results have been updated.. pening.. I think Ren/Fran, Shendy/Mel are playing now...

Andre, Wahyu, Stenny, Fira, Fran-Rendra, Mel-Shendy, Fran-Shendy, and Rendra-Mel are in the quarterfinals... :)

Andre Kurniawan Tedjono [1] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=220) http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA) - http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA) Ari Yuli Hartanto (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=222)

Stenny Kusuma (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=291) http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA) - http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/IND.gif (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=IND) Chetan Anand [5] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=269)

Xin Xu Bing (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=366) http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=CHN) - http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA) Maria Elfira Christina [6] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=313)

Does anyone know about the INA players?

What are their chances?

Andre Kurniawan Tedjono [1] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=220) http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA) - http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA) Ari Yuli Hartanto (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=222)

Stenny Kusuma (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=291) http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA) - http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/IND.gif (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=IND) Chetan Anand [5] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=269)

Xin Xu Bing (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=366) http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=CHN) - http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA) Maria Elfira Christina [6] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=313)

Does anyone know about the INA players?

What are their chances?

Andre has a 55% chance of beating Ari
Stenny has a 30% chance of beating Chetan
Fira has a 55% chance of beating Xin...
:D

Andre has a 55% chance of beating Ari
Stenny has a 30% chance of beating Chetan
Fira has a 55% chance of beating Xin...
:D

News from Spain:
Andre won
Chetan won
Fira won
;)

Andre has a 55% chance of beating Ari
Stenny has a 30% chance of beating Chetan
Fira has a 55% chance of beating Xin...
:D

'Xin'.. Most people call her Bing or Bing Xin. :) Chinese player in Spain.

News from Spain:
Andre won
Chetan won
Fira won
;)
Really? Fira must have beaten Bing in straight sets. :eek:

What abt the rest of the results?

Results have been updated.

Pity Djarum doubles players. 4 matches today each!!!

Really? Fira must have beaten Bing in straight sets. :eek:

What abt the rest of the results?

Yes, here's the result from tournamentsoftware

Maria Elfira Christina [6] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=313)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA)-http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=CHN)Xin Xu Bing (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=366)21-14 21-14

Andre lost 17-21, 21-9, 20-22 to Chetan. Ouch... :crying:
Fira, Fran-Rendra, Mel-Shendy, Fran-Shendy, Rendra-Mel in the finals... :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

XD title shall be INA's... ;) :cool: and a possibility of getting 4 titles in Spain! :D INA badminton need good news like this... :)

Wouter Claes [1] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=393)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/BEL.gif[BEL] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=BEL)Nathalie Descamps (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=327)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/BEL.gif[BEL] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=BEL)-http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA)Fran Kurniawan [3] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=386)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA)Shendy Puspa Irawati (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=438)

22-20 24-22??????

Fira, Fran-Rendra, Mel-Shendy, Fran-Shendy, Rendra-Mel in the finals... :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:


Fran confirmed that he and Shendy lost in XD today. :( Tomorrow MD final at starting at 10.10 am vs Poland. Best of luck!

Correction: All matches start at 10 am, and MD is the last...

I think PBSI must follow Djarum's strategy, by sending their young players to small tournaments, so as the players were used to it with the atmosphere of the match, and increasing their skills gradually. E.g Maria Elfira, her level and ranking continued to rise at this time, in fact being seen from the side of the game, certainly better Pia Zebadiah.

Finally, able to log in to BC in China, after several days of inactivity...hehe :D

Good to see Djarum reps excelling yet again in progressing to 4 out of 5 Finals. Only Andre Kurniawan Tedjono and Fran Kurniawan/Shendy Puspa Irawati losing in very close scores to Chetan Anand and Wouter Claes/Nathalie Descamps :eek::crying: However, Rendra Wijaya/Meiliana Jauhari ensure that Djarum has 1 rep in the XD Final. It should be an interesting match.

Excellent result for Fran Kurniawan/Rendra Wijaya in beating Simon Mollyhus/Anders Kristiansen. They will face their arch-rival, Adam Cwalina/Wojciech Szkudlarczyk in the Final. Remember, they lost to the Polish no 2 pair in the first round of Polish Open.

Meiliana Jauhari/Shendy Puspa Irawati should have no problem in winning yet another title today, with their opponent being Jillie Cooper/Nathalie Descamps.

Finally, Maria Elfira Christina continues her fine form as she beat Jill Pittard in the SF and will face an Indian gal Neha Pandit in the Final today. It will be excellent if she can win her first title in Madrid.

Wouter Claes [1] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=393)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/BEL.gif[BEL] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=BEL)Nathalie Descamps (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=327)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/BEL.gif[BEL] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=BEL)-http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA)Fran Kurniawan [3] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=386)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA)Shendy Puspa Irawati (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=438)

22-20 24-22??????

Oops, I misreported... :o So 1 INA XD in the finals... ;) A chance to get 4 titles for INA but none is assured... :p

Excellent result for Fran Kurniawan/Rendra Wijaya in beating Simon Mollyhus/Anders Kristiansen. They will face their arch-rival, Adam Cwalina/Wojciech Szkudlarczyk in the Final. Remember, they lost to the Polish no 2 pair in the first round of Polish Open.


Yeah man, this should be very interesting... :) Fran-Rendra's coach said that this Polish pair has the technical ability of Wifqi-Alfiat [not as good as Fran-Rendra] but they are extremely confident of themselves... [at least, while in Poland]... :p

4 titles for Djarum (all in 2 sets) :)
1 for Chetan Anand (in 3 sets)

Congratulations to the Djarum team for the roaring success in the just concluded Spanish Open...the only disappointment is Andre...

Yeah, congratulations to Djarum...
Andre? Still got Toulouse Open *erm

Congratulations to Djarum (Fran/Rendra esp) *laughs*

I personally hope Hayom can do better. He is such a potential talent... but so far, no big wins... :p

Anyway, 4 titles for INA is good news for a country who needs some good news lately... :o

Definitely another solid performance from Team Djarum in the Spanish Open 2008. Unlike Team Pelatnas, Djarum definitely has a knack of winning titles in Europe :eek::confused:

A near clean sweep this time with 4 titles, much improved than the results in Polish and Finnish International Challenge 2008 (1 and 2 titles respectively).

So, Fran Kurniawan/Rendra Wijaya have won 3 titles this year, Meiliana Jauhari/Shendy Puspa Irawati have also won 2 titles. All the 4 players have also each won the XD title.

Even Maria Elfira Christina also wins 1 title this week. What a result for her!

We now need a result from Andre Kurniawan Tedjono.

Congratulations to Djarum (Fran/Rendra esp) *laughs*

*laughs* too.. Going to Toulouse tomorrow 9am...

Definitely another solid performance from Team Djarum in the Spanish Open 2008. Unlike Team Pelatnas, Djarum definitely has a knack of winning titles in Europe :eek::confused:

A near clean sweep this time with 4 titles, much improved than the results in Polish and Finnish International Challenge 2008 (1 and 2 titles respectively).

So, Fran Kurniawan/Rendra Wijaya have won 3 titles this year, Meiliana Jauhari/Shendy Puspa Irawati have also won 2 titles. All the 4 players have also each won the XD title.

Even Maria Elfira Christina also wins 1 title this week. What a result for her!

We now need a result from Andre Kurniawan Tedjono.

These players should now start participating in more SS tournaments ...

These players should now start participating in more SS tournaments ...

It's time to build up their rankings first before sending them to any SS events outside of INA. At the moment, they should make the main draw of the Djarum Indonesia SS.

WoW, INA's Djarum club big win from Spanish Open! 4 titles and double joy for Meiliana and Rendra. Next stop, let's see in Toulouse...

Did INA players win all the 4 finals? What were the scores? It's so sad Andre lost in the semi..hope he can fight back and win in Toulouse..finger crossed..

Wonder why Djarum opts to send their players to tournaments far away from INA e.g Spain and France? Why not somewhere nearby, like those in Asia?
Why don't they send their players into a tournament in which Pelatnas players are also competing?
That way, the chances of their clashes are very high,
and people can see, which ones are better.

Did INA players win all the 4 finals? What were the scores? It's so sad Andre lost in the semi..hope he can fight back and win in Toulouse..finger crossed..

10:00 AM
XD (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=21656&draw=37)Rendra Wijaya (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=387)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA)Meiliana Jauhari (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=437)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA)-http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/BEL.gif[BEL] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=BEL)Wouter Claes [1] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=393)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/BEL.gif[BEL] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=BEL)Nathalie Descamps (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=327)21-14 21-18 0:25

10:45 AM
WS (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=21656&draw=33)Maria Elfira Christina [6] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=313)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA)-http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/IND.gif[IND] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=IND)Neha Pandit (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=354)21-16 21-4 0:26

11:30 AM
MS (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=21656&draw=31)Chetan Anand [5] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=269)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/IND.gif[IND] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=IND)-http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/SWE.gif[SWE] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=SWE)Henri Hurskainen (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=229)23-21 19-21 21-15 0:50

12:15 PM
WD (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=21656&draw=24)Shendy Puspa Irawati [1] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=438)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA)Meiliana Jauhari (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=437)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA)-http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/SCO.gif[SCO] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=SCO)Jillie Cooper (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=440)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/BEL.gif[BEL] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=BEL)Nathalie Descamps (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=327)21-10 21-10 0:30

1:00 PM
MD (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=21656&draw=35)Fran Kurniawan (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=386)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA)Rendra Wijaya (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=387)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=INA)-http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/POL.gif[POL] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=POL)Adam Cwalina (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=383)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/POL.gif[POL] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/players.aspx?id=21656&c=POL)Wojciech Szkudlarczyk (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=21656&player=384)21-11 21-13 0:24

Wonder why Djarum opts to send their players to tournaments far away from INA e.g Spain and France? Why not somewhere nearby, like those in Asia?
Why don't they send their players into a tournament in which Pelatnas players are also competing?
That way, the chances of their clashes are very high,
and people can see, which ones are better.

I would argue that their strategy of sending players to the European Challenger tourneys is better than Pelatnas. In sending those players to Europe, they will have higher chances of winning the titles, as we have seen in the past 2 mths. Fran/Rendra and Mel/Shendy will rise up to the top 25 by end of this year. That's for sure.

Compared to Pelatnas's strategy of only sending the young players to Asian Challenger, GP, and GP Gold events where the chance of getting a title is pretty remote considering the strength of Korean, Malaysian and Singaporean players. No wonder Pelatnas's players rankings' could not improve further. Look at Bona Septano/Mohd Ahsan. They have now declined from the top 35 to 52.

Look at Hendra A.G./Joko Riyadi...except for the Jakarta Open title they won 2 years ago, they won nothing at all. Fran/Rendra already won 2 Int Challenger events and their confidence would have been boosted further.

I would argue that their strategy of sending players to the European Challenger tourneys is better than Pelatnas. In sending those players to Europe, they will have higher chances of winning the titles, as we have seen in the past 2 mths. Fran/Rendra and Mel/Shendy will rise up to the top 25 by end of this year. That's for sure.

Compared to Pelatnas's strategy of only sending the young players to Asian Challenger, GP, and GP Gold events where the chance of getting a title is pretty remote considering the strength of Korean, Malaysian and Singaporean players. No wonder Pelatnas's players rankings' could not improve further. Look at Bona Septano/Mohd Ahsan. They have now declined from the top 35 to 52.

Look at Hendra A.G./Joko Riyadi...except for the Jakarta Open title they won 2 years ago, they won nothing at all. Fran/Rendra already won 2 Int Challenger events and their confidence would have been boosted further.
That's exactly my point.
Why do they have higher chance to win titles in European tourneys?
Partly (and mainly) because there are only a few European shuttlers able to match them.

Consider they compete in Asian tournaments in which Korean, Malaysian, and Singaporean (plus Thai and Japanese) shuttlers, themselves as you say, pretty strong, are playing as well. Are they still up to it?

That's exactly my point.
Why do they have higher chance to win titles in European tourneys?
Partly (and mainly) because there are only a few European shuttlers able to match them.

Consider they compete in Asian tournaments in which Korean, Malaysian, and Singaporean (plus Thai and Japanese) shuttlers, themselves as you say, pretty strong, are playing as well. Are they still up to it?

It is a strategy.,.good to mix them as they rake up the ranking points so they can enter any tournaments easier....dont have to start playing from qualification....
Of course, Djarum still sends some of their players in asian tournaments....like smiling fish tournaments...

Winning a title can boost players' confident too.....

It is a strategy.,.good to mix them as they rake up the ranking points so they can enter any tournaments easier....dont have to start playing from qualification....
Of course, Djarum still sends some of their players in asian tournaments....like smiling fish tournaments...

Winning a title can boost players' confident too.....

agree, Djarum also sent some players to Asian countries and New Zealand.

Last year Andre won in NZL Open by beat Wong C.H., Roslin, Maria Elfira & Shendy/Meiliana through to Final too.

Ari Yuli through to Hanoi Challenge Final, lost to Tan Chung Seang.

They also sent to GP Gold tournament in Philipine, Macau or Taipei.

Unluckily not much Challenger tournament in Asia, mostly International Series or Future Series like Singapore, Thailand or Laos.
In lower category they sent the 2nd layers players like Wifqi/Afiat, Debby Susanto/Luluk or Komala Dewi when before recruited into Pelatnas.

I think it good decision by PB Djarum official and PBSI (who give chance some clubs to send the players in some events)

These players should now start participating in more SS tournaments ...

Andre, Wahyu, Hayom, Fira, Febe, Fran-Rendra, Mel-Shendy, and Fran-Shendy will compete in next month's INA Open SS... :D Their names are on the list... ;)

i think there is another advantage of sending asian junior players to european challenges: the juniors learn how to play the europeans, who have a different style of play....theyre good/better than asians(?) in tactics and so the amount of experience of the juniors grows and their style gets more universal!
maybe the europeans should send more players to asia, so they can have harder training in terms of technique to get better in this...
hehe it sounds like the idea of an "exchange of students" ;)

i think there is another advantage of sending asian junior players to european challenges: the juniors learn how to play the europeans, who have a different style of play....theyre good/better than asians(?) in tactics and so the amount of experience of the juniors grows and their style gets more universal!
maybe the europeans should send more players to asia, so they can have harder training in terms of technique to get better in this...
hehe it sounds like the idea of an "exchange of students" ;)

Agree. Chances to play against European opponents are valuable, considering even Pelatnas only send their players twice only to Europe.

Andre, Wahyu, Hayom, Fira, Febe, Fran-Rendra, Mel-Shendy, and Fran-Shendy will compete in next month's INA Open SS... :D Their names are on the list... ;)

It's the home event, sponsored by their club. It will be too much if they are not even entered into the INA SS :o:p

That's exactly my point.
Why do they have higher chance to win titles in European tourneys?
Partly (and mainly) because there are only a few European shuttlers able to match them.

Consider they compete in Asian tournaments in which Korean, Malaysian, and Singaporean (plus Thai and Japanese) shuttlers, themselves as you say, pretty strong, are playing as well. Are they still up to it?

Not exactly right.

If I recall correctly, Team Djarum DID SEND their players to ALL the Asian Int. Challenger (and some Int Series events) and the GP & GP Golds events last year. However, Pelatnas players are seldom sent to the European Int. Challenger events, where they could arguably have a better chance of winning too.

And, some European players/pairs who do compete in their home European Challenger events have troubled even some of the top MD, WD and XD pairs, like Logosz/Mateusiak (winner of Polish Int. Challenge), Hopp/Kindervater (winner of Russian Open GP Gold), Kindervater/Piotrowski, Mateusiak/Kostiuczyk, etc.

It is a strategy.,.good to mix them as they rake up the ranking points so they can enter any tournaments easier....dont have to start playing from qualification....
Of course, Djarum still sends some of their players in asian tournaments....like smiling fish tournaments...

Winning a title can boost players' confident too.....

Yup. Look at Tommy Sugiarto and Pia Zebadiah. Unless they start winning Int Challenger titles, they must compete in the Qualification rounds of most GP Gold & SS events. Very painful.....:o

pia zebadiah is a good future for INA ws IMO..

I'm sorry but those victories in European campaign fail to impress me. The only good thing I can get from those tournaments is the fact that badminton is getting popular in European countries, e.g in Slovenia, Czech Rep., Croatia, and even Azerbaijan. It's good for badminton future.

If they're aiming for Olympic gold, they should set their eyes on beating top pairs, say, Chinese, Malaysian, Korean, and Japanese shuttlers. For Europeans, it'll be Danish, English, and German (plus Dutch for women side). Alright, Polish, too.
There's very little chance they'll meet Swedish, Austrian, or Mongolian shuttlers in OG.

Alright, they've won European tourneys. That's good. They're Indonesian, regardless of their status of club or Pelatnas players. All INA victories always make me proud. It proves that INA is still a strong country in badminton.

However, improving their rank will only make their path easier for short time only. Sooner or later, they'll run into top players. Be it Lin Dan/Lee CW for MS, Fu HF/Cai Yun in MD, Zhang Ning in WS, you get the idea. Now, can they beat them? If not, unfortunately I'll note them under the "strong, but not good enough" category.

And to note, Andre KT gets his own thread in Prof. Players. 11 pages. While Tommy Sugiarto has none. Yet when Andre had time to prove that he's better than Tommy of Pelatnas, he lost.

It's called taking it steps by steps, as what Krisna calls it :) Rome isn't built in one day. For u to be an Olympic Champion, u need to start from the beginning.

U first win Int Series events...followed by Int Challenger events...followed by GP, GP Golds and eventually Super Series events. One cannot beat a top pair without honing their skills and grind out those victories at the lower level tourneys.

What's the use of entering SS events and get bundled out in the Qualifying or First Rounds, as some Pelatnas players had tasted in the past one year? Look at Rani/Endang and AG/Joko....how many times have they qualified past the second rounds of GP Golds or SS events?

Plus those Djarum players HAVE BEATEN some of the supposedly superior opponents, like Fran Kurniawan/Rendra Wijaya beating the Danish no 4 pair (soon to become no 2 pair once Paaske/Rasmussen and Eriksen/Hansen retire after the Olympics) Simon Mollyhus/Anders Kristiansen last week. And Meiliana Jauhari/Shendy Puspa Irawati beating the Russian no 1 pair of Ekaterina Ananina/Anastasia Ruskikh, Swedish no 1 pair Johanna Persson/Elin Berglom, Polish no 1 pair of Kamilla Augustyn/Nadiezda Kostiuczyk this year. Once they get the knack of playing against these pairs, they will slowly rise up and hopefully beat those so-called top pairs.

If these pairs remain in Pelatnas, it's even a doubt whether they can get the chance to participate in overseas tourneys, let alone winning those events which boost their confidence.

The key pt is having the chance to participate in tourneys. That's the main reason why those ex-Pelatnas players have rejoined Djarum. Now, even Pelatnas wants those players back, but, some have turned the offer down because they still think that they have a bigger future with Djarum.

Djarum is smart in sending them to those European Challenger tourneys because they can have much more match experience and actually winning the events. They will still send them to the Asian GP & GP Gold Events (like the upcoming Thailand GP Gold) with the hope that the victories gained at the European events will make them more matured and stronger in terms of how to play against superior pairs.

Andre Kurniawan Tedjono has proven that he can beat many top players (eg: Kenneth Jonassen, Chen Yu a couple of times, etc) and actually won the New Zealand Open 2007 and reaching the SF of Russian Open GP Gold and QF of the Indonesia SS. As for Tommy, can u name any victories he has against top players??

Tommy is known how to beat his compatriots but when he plays outside..he hardly does beat any TOP players but Andre is the other way around.....

Getting ranking points is important, period! It opens the door for many opportunities...

you can get better seedings in later tournaments
if not seedings, then at least better chance to qualify in bigger tournaments [especially SSs and GP Golds] who often get oversubscription...
you build confidence and ambition! Success beget success! :cool:
playing many matches and getting far in a tournament adds experience-hours... loosing in the first round [many times] in GP Gold events in Asia is very bad for your ego and you get very little match experience...
better deals for future sponsorship contracts because American, European, and Asian brand owners want their brands to get as much exposure around the globe as possible
better deals for future sponsorship contracts because sponsors want to pay champions and highly ranked players, not 1st or 2nd round losers and lowly ranked players...Plus... if the worry is not getting 'high level' match experience... the solution:

in INA, there are many excellent practice partners... Candra Wijaya often practice in Djarum with his younger brother Rendra... [naturally] ...and even Tony Gunawan would too...
Pelatnas players like practicing with club players to fine-tune their skills
just join Challengers, GPs, GP Golds, and SSs in Asia in addition to the European Challengers. Simple. Have done so, will do so.Is it better to:
be beaten by Lin Dan [#1 seed] in the 1st round of a GP Gold as a #60 ranked player [after playing 4 qualification matches before that]
or
be beaten by Lin Dan in the quarterfinals of that same GP Gold tournament as the #15 ranked player [maybe seeded #8 or something in a typical Asian GP Gold not attended by many Europeans]
You still get the chance to play Lin Dan, but which situation is better??? :)

Alright, alright, I'm pretty satisfied with the reason.
They're still

Alright, alright, I'm pretty satisfied with the reason. Thank you very much.
They're still young. Let them go to as many tournaments as possible. Build up their rank as high as possible. After that, try to beat those top players. And honestly, after all you say, my opinion is still the same. However, if they can win SS or even All England title, I'll be glad to take back my own words.

Coming second is not an option.

Indonesia Boleh!;)

just join Challengers, GPs, GP Golds, and SSs in Asia in addition to the European Challengers. Simple. Have done so, will do so.Is it better to:
be beaten by Lin Dan [#1 seed] in the 1st round of a GP Gold as a #60 ranked player [after playing 4 qualification matches before that]
or
be beaten by Lin Dan in the quarterfinals of that same GP Gold tournament as the #15 ranked player [maybe seeded #8 or something in a typical Asian GP Gold not attended by many Europeans]


Lin Dan probably wouldn't join any more GP Gold event except for Macau Open (for political reason :D)

The highlighted pts are certainly my sentiment. Sadly, Pelatnas officials still have yet to recognize that they can win lots of pts in European Challenger. They would have regretted the chance of securing an additional Olympics berth for INA as Jo Novita/Greysia Polii could have secured their Olympics qualifications by joining the 2 European Challenger + 1 Canadian Challenger events. They would have easily gained 10000 pts (by reaching the Finals in every event) as compared to a paltry 6570 pts in the India Open and Badminton Asia Championships :o

After that, try to beat those top players. And honestly, after all you say, my opinion is still the same. However, if they can win SS or even All England title, I'll be glad to take back my own words.


...which in my opinion is a misguided opinion. Quoting from your post once again: "Wonder why Djarum opts to send their players to tournaments far away from INA e.g Spain and France? Why not somewhere nearby, like those in Asia? Why don't they send their players into a tournament in which Pelatnas players are also competing?"

Maybe Krisna and Hau-Ge can correct me, but, I believe that Djarum has always sent their team to ALMOST ALL the Asian Challenger, GP, GP Golds events whenever Pelatnas players sent their team (in particular, second team) too. Djarum event sent Rian/Yoke to the Denmark SS where they entered the QF by beating Luluk/Alvent...and only lost narrowly to Kido/Hendra. The only Asian Challenger tourneys that Djarum didn't send their team too I believe was the Korean Int Challenge 2007 (held at the same time as HK Open). Djarum event sent their junior players like Hendry Aprillianto and Rizky Yanu Kresnayadi/Albert Saputra to the Malaysian Int Challenge 2007 whereas no reps from Pelatnas second team were sent to compete in Alor Star.

Let's have a look at Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki's participation last year, shall we?
Thailand Open GP Gold -- with Pelatnas players
Philippines Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Indonesia-Surabaya Challenge -- Pelatnas
Yonex Chinese-Taipei GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Macau Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Dutch Open GP -- Pelatnas
Denmark Open SS -- Pelatnas
Vietnam Open GP -- Pelatnas
Russian Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Italian Challenge -- only Djarum.
Overall results, in these events: 2 titles for Djarum, 1 title for Pelatnas in MD

For Andre Kurniawan Tedjono:
Romania Int Challenge -- only Djarum
Finnish Int Challenge -- only Djarum
Indonesia SS -- Pelatnas
Vietnam Int Challenge -- Pelatnas
Thailand Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Philippines Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
New Zealand Open GP -- Pelatnas
Chinese Taipei Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Macau Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Vietnam Open GP -- Pelatnas
Russian Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Italian Int Challenge -- only Djarum
Overall results, in these events: 1 titles for Djarum, 1 title for Pelatnas in MS.

Even with direct competition in the same tourneys, I don't see Pelatnas players actually winning more titles in these events.

can i know INA has how many badminton club summore besides pelatnas and djarum>??:rolleyes::confused::confused:

can i know INA has how many badminton club summore besides pelatnas and djarum>??:rolleyes::confused::confused:

Pelatnas is the National Team, just like BAM.

We have many badminton clubs:
Djarum, Jaya Raya, Bimantara Tangkas, Suryanaga Gudang Garam, SGS Elektrik, etc.

Lin Dan probably wouldn't join any more GP Gold event except for Macau Open (for political reason :D)


Hahaha, as usual, you read my mind, badMania! I was thinking of Macau Open and Taipei Open when I wrote my comment... ;) Both were attended by Lin Dan due to political reasons... ;) If I were the Chinese Badminton Association Head, I will do the same thing (send Lin Dan to play there)! :p

Pelatnas is the National Team, just like BAM.

We have many badminton clubs:
Djarum, Jaya Raya, Bimantara Tangkas, Suryanaga Gudang Garam, SGS Elektrik, etc.

The last team National Championship event was won by Jaya Raya... Lately, they are awesome in WS and MD. Firda, Nana, Pia are their WS, Kido-Hendra, Joko Riadi-Candra Wijaya are their MD. I think even Tony Gunawan can still play for Jaya Raya if he happen to be in INA... ;) In December 2006, their surprise XD, Candra Wijaya-Greysia Polii defeated Lily Natsir-Nova Widianto of Tangkas... resulting in Tangkas' 1-3 defeat in the finals.

I particularly admire PB. Jaya Raya. They have good management & quite consistently produce good players with a healthy fighting attitude. Susi Susanti, Mia Audina, and Rudy Hartono were from this club.

Tangkas is the club of Simon Santoso, Jo Novita, Vita Marissa, and Lily-Nova... ;) In the past, Ricky-Rexy were the most famous Tangkas alumnis... Suryanaga is the club of Alven and Sony Dwi Kuncoro. Taufik and Hendra AG are from SGS Bandung... :)

Basically, the clubs listed by badMania are like Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea, and Arsenal in the English Premier League. Most of the National Team members regularly came from the top local clubs... :)

can i know INA has how many badminton club summore besides pelatnas and djarum>??:rolleyes::confused::confused:

I heard there are more than 2000+ INA badminton clubs listed in PBSI... :confused: The numbers keep changing... :p I know there are 32 Pengda PBSI that virtually represent every province in INA. And every province has many badminton clubs, especially in Java island.

Badminton clubs have always been the foundation of PBSI. PBSI was technically not founded by INA badminton players, but founded by INA badminton clubs who gathered together to form a national association. ;)

Maybe BAM has a similar history, I don't know... :confused:

Well done to Chetan Anand for winning the Spanish open title. Good to see him getting a few title before he signs of.

Also a good tournament for Neha Pandit reaching the semi's. Good matches also for Aditi, wud be interesting to know what happened to her in the 3rd game in her match against Joergensen

Well done to Chetan Anand for winning the Spanish open title. Good to see him getting a few title before he signs of.

Also a good tournament for Neha Pandit reaching the semi's. Good matches also for Aditi, wud be interesting to know what happened to her in the 3rd game in her match against Joergensen
Neha reached the final...............

Well done to Chetan Anand for winning the Spanish open title. Good to see him getting a few title before he signs of.

Also a good tournament for Neha Pandit reaching the semi's. Good matches also for Aditi, wud be interesting to know what happened to her in the 3rd game in her match against JoergensenThis is very crazy.... Aditi was leading 20-7 in the 2nd set!!! She wasted 13 matchpoints in a row! It's on the official danish federations webpage...

...which in my opinion is a misguided opinion. Quoting from your post once again: "Wonder why Djarum opts to send their players to tournaments far away from INA e.g Spain and France? Why not somewhere nearby, like those in Asia? Why don't they send their players into a tournament in which Pelatnas players are also competing?"

Maybe Krisna and Hau-Ge can correct me, but, I believe that Djarum has always sent their team to ALMOST ALL the Asian Challenger, GP, GP Golds events whenever Pelatnas players sent their team (in particular, second team) too. Djarum event sent Rian/Yoke to the Denmark SS where they entered the QF by beating Luluk/Alvent...and only lost narrowly to Kido/Hendra. The only Asian Challenger tourneys that Djarum didn't send their team too I believe was the Korean Int Challenge 2007 (held at the same time as HK Open). Djarum event sent their junior players like Hendry Aprillianto and Rizky Yanu Kresnayadi/Albert Saputra to the Malaysian Int Challenge 2007 whereas no reps from Pelatnas second team were sent to compete in Alor Star.

Let's have a look at Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki's participation last year, shall we?
Thailand Open GP Gold -- with Pelatnas players
Philippines Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Indonesia-Surabaya Challenge -- Pelatnas
Yonex Chinese-Taipei GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Macau Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Dutch Open GP -- Pelatnas
Denmark Open SS -- Pelatnas
Vietnam Open GP -- Pelatnas
Russian Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Italian Challenge -- only Djarum.
Overall results, in these events: 2 titles for Djarum, 1 title for Pelatnas in MD

For Andre Kurniawan Tedjono:
Romania Int Challenge -- only Djarum
Finnish Int Challenge -- only Djarum
Indonesia SS -- Pelatnas
Vietnam Int Challenge -- Pelatnas
Thailand Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Philippines Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
New Zealand Open GP -- Pelatnas
Chinese Taipei Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Macau Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Vietnam Open GP -- Pelatnas
Russian Open GP Gold -- Pelatnas
Italian Int Challenge -- only Djarum
Overall results, in these events: 1 titles for Djarum, 1 title for Pelatnas in MS.

Even with direct competition in the same tourneys, I don't see Pelatnas players actually winning more titles in these events.

Wella, wella. When it comes to data, I'm speechless.
Seriously Sire, I'm amazed of your detailed knowledge of INA players' progress.

Alright, after looking at those data, I apologize for looking down to Djarum players like I did.

However, you cited my opinion incorrectly. I admit that those Djarum players are good. But still not there yet. So far, they haven't show any exceptional result, in terms of winning any SS titles of other prestigious tournaments. Yes, they have beaten some top players. However, in order to impress me and change my opinion toward them is by doing that (beating top players) consistently, time over time, stage after stage, till the final, and emerge as champions. If they win against top player in one round, but fails in the next round, how good will it be?
Can they do it? Can they surpass Alan, Susy, 17 years-old Taufik, Ricky-Rexy, and Candra-Tony, or will they become so-so players like, I'm sorry, Luluk-Alvent and Sony? Only time will tell.;)

And one more thing. Your data has opened my eyes widely: that Pelatnas nowadays are not occupied by the best of the best of the best in Indonesia anymore. There are still many better players out there. And unfortunately, many of them prefer staying in their club, knowing that they'll get less chance to compete and improve themselves in Pelatnas, and enjoy winning capcay-level tournaments. I'm well aware that in order to represent Indonesia in Olympics, they have to be under PBSI, or Pelatnas for specific.

If this trend continues, Pelatnas will be filled with tons of middle-class shuttlers, which have less chance to win Olympic gold.
No more good players > no more Olympic gold > no more pride for being an Indonesian.

God, Save this Republic!:crying:

Wella, wella. When it comes to data, I'm speechless.
Seriously Sire, I'm amazed of your detailed knowledge of INA players' progress.

Alright, after looking at those data, I apologize for looking down to Djarum players like I did.

However, you cited my opinion incorrectly. I admit that those Djarum players are good. But still not there yet. So far, they haven't show any exceptional result, in terms of winning any SS titles of other prestigious tournaments. Yes, they have beaten some top players. However, in order to impress me and change my opinion toward them is by doing that (beating top players) consistently, time over time, stage after stage, till the final, and emerge as champions. If they win against top player in one round, but fails in the next round, how good will it be?
Can they do it? Can they surpass Alan, Susy, 17 years-old Taufik, Ricky-Rexy, and Candra-Tony, or will they become so-so players like, I'm sorry, Luluk-Alvent and Sony? Only time will tell.;)

And one more thing. Your data has opened my eyes widely: that Pelatnas nowadays are not occupied by the best of the best of the best in Indonesia anymore. There are still many better players out there. And unfortunately, many of them prefer staying in their club, knowing that they'll get less chance to compete and improve themselves in Pelatnas, and enjoy winning capcay-level tournaments. I'm well aware that in order to represent Indonesia in Olympics, they have to be under PBSI, or Pelatnas for specific.

If this trend continues, Pelatnas will be filled with tons of middle-class shuttlers, which have less chance to win Olympic gold.
No more good players > no more Olympic gold > no more pride for being an Indonesian.

God, Save this Republic!:crying:

Then do something about it.;)..Djarum uses a ton of money to create the players...creating the best is not easy..we should appreciate Djarum's effort for INA Badminton..instead of crying about it...it wont help...I am trying to do my part as well..then you should do your part..:D:D:D
Have you seen advertisement by Djarum in Kompas for last 2 or 3 days during Thomas/Uber Cup? it is open audition to find badminton players and it starts on June 6...

Then do something about it.;)..Djarum uses a ton of money to create the players...creating the best is not easy..we should appreciate Djarum's effort for INA Badminton..instead of crying about it...it wont help...I am trying to do my part as well..then you should do your part..:D:D:D
You can help me by telling me, a young, not-so-patriotic Indonesian, an example of what I should do...
Perhaps, rushing to PBSI head office and kick those blind, incompetent officials' butts?:) Or organize a movement to oust them?;)

However, you cited my opinion incorrectly. I admit that those Djarum players are good. But still not there yet. So far, they haven't show any exceptional result, in terms of winning any SS titles of other prestigious tournaments. Yes, they have beaten some top players. However, in order to impress me and change my opinion toward them is by doing that (beating top players) consistently, time over time, stage after stage, till the final, and emerge as champions. If they win against top player in one round, but fails in the next round, how good will it be?
Can they do it? Can they surpass Alan, Susy, 17 years-old Taufik, Ricky-Rexy, and Candra-Tony, or will they become so-so players like, I'm sorry, Luluk-Alvent and Sony? Only time will tell.;)


Of course these Djarum players are not there yet, otherwise Djarum wouldn't send them to hone their skills in the lower-level Challenge events. The money can be saved to send other younger players. That's precisely the pt....Djarum would go the extent of sending these players to European Challenger events when even Pelatnas wouldn't bother too (due to funding).

Back to the question, how many INA players actually win the SS titles last year?

Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan -- 2 Super Series, 1 GP Gold and 1 WC
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir -- 2 Super Series, 1 GP Gold and 1 WC
Flandy Limpele/Vita Marissa -- 2 Super Series, 1 GP Gold
Vita Marissa/Lilyana Natsir -- 1 Super Series

Of course these Djarum players are not there yet, otherwise Djarum wouldn't send them to hone their skills in the lower-level Challenge events. The money can be saved to send other younger players. That's precisely the pt....Djarum would go the extent of sending these players to European Challenger events when even Pelatnas wouldn't bother too (due to funding).


A-HA-HA! I know it! I knew sooner or later this beautiful words will appear! Hahaha! Such lovely tunes, aren't they?

L-A-C-K O-F M-O-N-E-Y!

Of course! How come I don't know this? Indonesia, as well as PBSI, is awfully poor. We don't have such rich national corporation like Proton as our sponsor! Truly, we should ask World Bank or IMF to cover our badminton squad's expenses!


Back to the question, how many INA players actually win the SS titles last year?

Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan -- 2 Super Series, 1 GP Gold and 1 WC
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir -- 2 Super Series, 1 GP Gold and 1 WC
Flandy Limpele/Vita Marissa -- 2 Super Series, 1 GP Gold
Vita Marissa/Lilyana Natsir -- 1 Super Series

With our current roster, are you expecting any title from MS, WS, and WD, dear Sire?:confused:

Based on your post, looks like you want to say, "They could only grab few titles last year? Are they idiot or what?"

You can help me by telling me, a young, not-so-patriotic Indonesian, an example of what I should do...
Perhaps, rushing to PBSI head office and kick those blind, incompetent officials' butts?:) Or organize a movement to oust them?;)

For now? :confused:

Keep being a good INA fan and support our team and players, regardless of the eventual result. Many pro players don't just play for money, but for the appreciation of the fans despite glory and defeats.
Keep playing amateur badminton, thus keeping the game alive at the local grassroot level.
Get your friends to play too... ;) The more the better.
Play against other badminton clubs / group of friends.
Participate in local tournaments if you have time. :) Ask your friends to join too. It's fun.The things I listed above are the very foundation of INA badminton at its zenith. These building blocks are now crumbling in many provinces and counties. Many in PBSI management does not understand / just choose to ignore the foundations of foundations... :(

Despite the ignorance and blind misperceptions of some PBSI officials, we as fans should not look the other way whenever there are obstacles. That's not true love! Whoever truly loves INA badminton, should not ignore what's fundamental for INA badminton. Being an active amateur and fan is a contribution. Participating in organizing local badminton tournaments would be even better. :)

Here's how the INA badminton positive cycle works:

When the grassroot badminton movement is huge, the badminton business itself will be huge.
When the badminton business is huge, the prize money, sponsorship, public attention, fan adulation will all be huge.
When the prize money, sponsorship, attention, and adulation are huge, more talented youngsters will choose badminton as an occupation/career and really want deliver glory [for INA, for himself, for fans, for the sponsors, etc.] and many parents will be supportive [unlike now].
When many talented youngsters step forward and fully supported by their parents, we are bound to see many big-time winners from INA... [just like in the 1970s]If the grassroot level [step 1] is not strong, then we shall see step 2, 3, 4 crumbling... :o

Here's how the INA badminton positive cycle works:
When the grassroot badminton movement is huge, the badminton business itself will be huge.
When the badminton business is huge, the prize money, sponsorship, public attention, fan adulation will all be huge.
When the prize money, sponsorship, attention, and adulation are huge, more talented youngsters will choose badminton as an occupation/career and really want deliver glory [for INA, for himself, for fans, for the sponsors, etc.] and many parents will be supportive [unlike now].
When many talented youngsters step forward and fully supported by their parents, we are bound to see many big-time winners from INA... [just like in the 1970s]If the grassroot level [step 1] is not strong, then we shall see step 2, 3, 4 crumbling... :o

I'm afraid that while we're doing so, other countries, e.g China, Malaysia, Korea, Japan, Singapore, and even Thailand are already miles ahead us... Surely you know what they have a lot while we're lack of, rite?

I'm afraid that while we're doing so, other countries, e.g China, Malaysia, Korea, Japan, Singapore, and even Thailand are already miles ahead us... Surely you know what they have a lot while we're lack of: MONEY.
Okay..in this case..this is what you should do for INA badminton...:D:D
Identify those good or best female shuttlers..and marry them....thats only instant way to keep INA badminton alive...I am sure you do not mind....:cool::cool:

Okay..in this case..this is what you should do for INA badminton...:D:D
Identify those good or best female shuttlers..and marry them....thats only instant way to keep INA badminton alive...I am sure you do not mind....:cool::cool:

I'd love too, but unfortunately I'm not a supporter of polygamy and eugenics marriage. Plus, the chances of their accepting me are very low.:D:D:D

I'd love too, but unfortunately I'm not a supporter of polygamy and eugenics marriage. Plus, the chances of their accepting me are very low.:D:D:D
Haiya...only 1 please.........:D

I'm afraid that while we're doing so, other countries, e.g China, Malaysia, Korea, Japan, Singapore, and even Thailand are already miles ahead us... Surely you know what they have a lot while we're lack of, rite?

Haven't u read the post by some Malaysian fans grumbling abt the state of badminton there as well :o;)??

Further statistics for u:
Even with the limitation we have, we still managed to win 20 titles (for GP events only), which is only inferior to China. We are slightly better than Malaysia (15) and streets ahead of Korea (only 6 titles).

From your post yet again:
Based on your post, looks like you want to say, "They could only grab few titles last year? Are they idiot or what?"

U are still missing the point, arent't u :o:rolleyes:

I am stating that u can't win Super Series titles without winning the lower level tourneys. Of course u can't expect the Djarum players to win these titles because Pelatnas players can only won 7 Super Series titles last year.

It's more realistic to expect Djarum players to win GP or better GP Gold events this year. It's good enough that they can regularly win those European Challenger events because these victories will increasingly improve their mental attitude towards matches.

..and not meaning to spoil the fun for you guys, but maybe mods/kwun might want to move/merge the last few posts/discussion, maybe a few earlier, into the "Indo Badminton" (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43795&page=14) thread...??..:confused:

I'm afraid that while we're doing so, other countries, e.g China, Malaysia, Korea, Japan, Singapore, and even Thailand are already miles ahead us... Surely you know what they have a lot while we're lack of, rite?

Of course. But the other countries' system cannot be duplicated by us due to the differences in government attitude, thus funding attitude etc.

Okay..in this case..this is what you should do for INA badminton...:D:D
Identify those good or best female shuttlers..and marry them....thats only instant way to keep INA badminton alive...I am sure you do not mind....:cool::cool:

I will go after Reiko.
Hau-ge can go after Carolla Bott.
Jagdpanther... maybe Wang Lin... ;)