What is it these days about the right knee and badminton players?

Amongst others Gade, Archer, Taufik all seem to have persistent knee problems. You see knee straps on many players, Wijaya and Kim DM for example.

Why does this sport see so many injuries to the knee in this day and age? Look at many other sports and you don't get the same sort of problems.

Surely it's not ok for badminton to just accept this as part of the game?

Did this used to happen 20 years ago? I can't remember.

Too much jumping (impact on landing) and .... game speed (sudden stop and move around in different direction)

you could add Denmark's no. 2: Kenneth Jonassen to the list of players with recent or current knee injuries.. and I am pretty sure that the badminton world has not previously seen a percentage of knee problems as high as today.. the explanation must be the higher speed in the game and the way the top athletes train.. especially the many hours they train over a number of years.. so.. changing that will be difficult as it is also the many hours of training oevr a number of years which makes them the top players.. my guess is that the coaches will have to raise the awareness of how to train without hurting the knee.. and without putting too much pressure on the knee.. if that happens.. and if the players are aware of this already from an early age.. then.. we might se fewer knee injuries in a couple of years.. we might.. but I doubt it..

All sports have "their" types of injuries. Knee injuries is, after tendonitis, the most common problem for the badminton professional.

The game is faster today than 20 years ago (although not so much as many seem to think) so injuries should be a bit more common. On the other hand, training methods have developed and a lot of players do preventive strength training that greatly reduces the risk of injuries.

As Thomas Kihlstrom once said: "being an elite badminton player means eduring severe pain, every day, /.../ it is just part of the normal routine."

I recently read in a dissertation that about 40% of the Swedish elite players suffer from some degree of tendonitis... Humans just aren't built for elite sports!

instead of talking about the injured, how about talk about preventing the injury? prevention is the best medicine.

and how exactly does one prevent knee injury? can the doctors among us give us some clues?

i find that excessive badminton, say, more than 12-14 hours/week will start to strain my knee. the feeling that the knee isn't holding up, and any twisting feels like the normally tightly bounded knee area is about to come apart.

it aggrevates the most on weeks when i go for long bike rides, the day after the ride, i usually have problem going up and down stairs.

whenever this happens, i will put on a knee strap/band on my knee. i wrap it just below the knee cap. and i find that it helps to keep the knee in one piece, and usually even when it is acting up, i can still play a whole afternoon of badminton with it. i have tried it without the strap, and i find that i need to keep extra attention to not over-exert force on the knee. so the knee strap definitely help.

i learned it from looking at pros. i see a lot of them use such a strap during tourneys. and since i had pains, i tried out the same thing.

but then, i know no idea how exactly that works. other than some extra force holding the whole knee contraption together.

anybody care to explain?

Kwun, the strap is used to compress the muscles which off court aids healing and onn court supports them. You can also get support which help keep the muscles warm and hotter which helps relieve the pain, particularly during the early stages of a game.

Now onto prevention, but this is the point I am making. What chance do we have when a large percentage of the pros who have access to all the latest information and infrastructure regarding prevention keep getting injured?

could it be artheritis? (spelling may be wrong)

Originally posted by Mag
All sports have "their" types of injuries. Knee injuries is, after tendonitis, the most common problem for the badminton professional.

The game is faster today than 20 years ago (although not so much as many seem to think) so injuries should be a bit more common. On the other hand, training methods have developed and a lot of players do preventive strength training that greatly reduces the risk of injuries.

As Thomas Kihlstrom once said: "being an elite badminton player means eduring severe pain, every day, /.../ it is just part of the normal routine."

I recently read in a dissertation that about 40% of the Swedish elite players suffer from some degree of tendonitis... Humans just aren't built for elite sports!

You're quite right Mag. It'd almost seem regardless of what sports (except
perhaps golf), if you seriously train and play (esp. if you're a pro), you're prone
to sport specific injuries. If this's your career, physical pain and perhaps different
kind of psycological stresses would be a commonplace in your life.

Kwun,

I'm no medical expert. But based on the limited reading I did on
physical/strength training, I'd say:

+ you need to integrate rest in your training. And plays would be no
different, especially if you play seriously.
+ you may want to take a look at all the "sports" you do. If they all
involve making same muscle groups work, or straining the same
joint(s), you may have a problem
+ I heard you can buy a "Vitamin" supplement (?) from Costco that are
FDA approved and are good for joints.
+ Weight lifting (with emphasis on legs) could help. But do make sure you
put enough rest in between. Typically, after one serious work session,
one need to ensure that muscle group(s) have at least 24-48 hours of
rest. The jumping around in the court is like doing plyometric exercies.
The rest period is what's quoted in one of those books.

Hope this help.

Knees are badly designed, mine in particular. I have had 'dodgy knee syndrome' for a number of years now. It seems to be similar in nature to what Kwun described. I can play badminton without any real problems for extended periods of time. My shoulder and ankle weaken but nothing serious. My real problem is endurance training as any extended excercise (cycling, running, even walking) results in severe pain on the outside of my right knee. The pain disappears after about two days even if I play badminton, as long as I do no exdurance training. The one thing I can do is use a rowing machine.

Personally I think it is down to poor leg movement placing lateral strain on the knee joint and I have been considering going to the specialist UKPlayer mentioned a while ago. I could concentrate on the rowing machine as the sole method of endurance training but this is rather avoiding the situation. I do not want to become an invalid every time I go for a long walk or run.

As for the prevalence of knee injuries I agree that this is just part of playing this game. I think that a detailed analysis of the lower body movements of the players who show a high propensity to knee injury might reveal slight problems with their technique, perhaps in the lunge and recovery movements. Personally I don't think intensive plyometric training does the human body many long-term favours either. Most of the top players become injured while training, not while playing, and I think that more specific muscle group training might alleviate thesecondary effects I believe are responsible for many of these problems.

Originally posted by UkPlayer
Kwun, the strap is used to compress the muscles which off court aids healing and onn court supports them. You can also get support which help keep the muscles warm and hotter which helps relieve the pain, particularly during the early stages of a game.

Now onto prevention, but this is the point I am making. What chance do we have when a large percentage of the pros who have access to all the latest information and infrastructure regarding prevention keep getting injured?

UkPlayer, thanks for the info. i have to disagree with your last point. pros trains much longer and plays much harder than us mortals (me, at least.. :) ) so IMHO they have a higher chance of injury than us.

also, on a slight different topic, has anyone notice that there are more injuries among male players than females?

So to summarise:

elite players get knee injuries because of repetitive training
us mortals get knee injuries from less than perfect technique
poor choice of shoe can contribute

my additional point is use of excessive muscle contraction on a tendon not used to such stress can cause an injury.

A couple of people have told me taking glucosamine is good for joint protection.

I have seen two books discuss the importance of building your hamstring muscles (in the back of yr thighs) to match the quadriceps (in front). One was a sports medicine handbook and the other "Physical Training for Badminton." Has anyone had a coach or trainer suggest building hamstrings? "PT for B" says badminton players have overdeveloped quads.

I wonder how many coaches pay attention to this. Does anyone know?

Originally posted by UkPlayer
A couple of people have told me taking glucosamine is good for joint protection.

i have also read that taking gelatine is good for joints. that's what a lot of the "joint juice" drink are. they are usually marketed towards the older generation whose joints are starting to weaken. a lot of cyclist also takes such supplement due to the stressful nature of the sport.

the supplement though, are a rip off, if you read the ingredents, it is like 99% gelatine. i usually just go and buy a pack of gello, and that works just as well. :)

Originally posted by marshall
I have seen two books discuss the importance of building your hamstring muscles (in the back of yr thighs) to match the quadriceps (in front). One was a sports medicine handbook and the other "Physical Training for Badminton." Has anyone had a coach or trainer suggest building hamstrings? "PT for B" says badminton players have overdeveloped quads.

I wonder how many coaches pay attention to this. Does anyone know?

Some of the exercises I had to do were leg curls and squats. Leg curls help to keep our hamtrings in shape. My coach mentioned that good hamstring muscles helps to keep our knee together. This was also mentioned by my teacher, a physiologist who have under his care a top European professional football team. Having good hamstrings muscles is a good preventive exercise for knees injury.

I also had to do squats. Since at that time, our club did not have the equipment, I had to carry a colleague on my shoulders and do the squats. And stances like the ones you see in martial arts movies: knees bent and legs at about shoulder width, if possible with your back to a wall - like sitting on a virtual chair. I had to stay in this position for about 10 mins at that time. This is a good exercise to strenghtening the knees but recommended for the grown athlete.

Originally posted by marshall
I have seen two books discuss the importance of building your hamstring muscles (in the back of yr thighs) to match the quadriceps (in front). One was a sports medicine handbook and the other "Physical Training for Badminton." Has anyone had a coach or trainer suggest building hamstrings? "PT for B" says badminton players have overdeveloped quads.

I wonder how many coaches pay attention to this. Does anyone know?

I think it's generally a good idea to balance out your training. Muscles do
work in pair. Overdeveloped one muscle could make the other muscle in a pair
more susceptable to injury.

G'day all,

No expert at this topic but I will put my 2 cents in ;)

Over here in Australia knee injury is a common thing for amateur and professional atheletes alike, especially among footballers, skater/roller blader, skiiers and netball players.

One of the more common knee injury prevention exercise we do here is some light swimming and cycling between intense session of playing, and consuming high level of dairy products such as milk and cheese in the make up of our daily food intake.

I play approximately 15 hours of badminton per week and follow a loose routine of having at least one day off between playing, with light cycling or swimming in the weekends to strengthen the muscles.

Having high intake of calcium in diet seem to also boost bone density and joint strength to prevent knee buckling and other injuries.

So far I have been blessed with no knee or joint problems and many others doing the same also have no problems, regardless of the nature of sport they play.

I guess the frequent light exercise and good healthy diet can be a real benefit in injury prevention.

15 hours per week. Now I'm really envious:(

Not sure how the calcium can boost joint strength directly unless it's a product of the increased bone density causing greater muscle strength. But sure enough healthy diets are pretty helpful..

I'm sure frequent light exercise is more preventative than short spurts of intense exercise.

Hey you know, i had to where one of those things round my leg before, its called tubi grip. The reason that i had to wear it was that i ruptured my ligaments in my right knee. Its not a really proud thing to wear (oh sure it looks cool for people without injuries) but after a while its annoying as it restricts your movement. It's basically there to make sure that you don't go over board with your knee.

Its easy to get injured when your tired, as your foot work becomes relaxed thats when it becomes dangerous. Basically my right knee swells up during badminton as it goes through alot of turns and twists. But i'm happy to say i don't have to wear it anymore. Injuries to your knees are the worst as it affects you psychologically, (it makes you wanna hold back as you get scared that something is gonna give in your knees).

Hi,

I'm probably off line but here could be the reason. Within the knee there is the synovial membrane, this consists of things such as the synovial fluid and the cartilage. Now, in badminton there is a great demand on the body and foot, especialy on the knee as during long rallies and long lunges. This, in turn, can slowly wear away the cartilage found on the bone and therefore, u get a small hole where the two bones meet and rub to cause friction. This can cause serious pain. Also, you could mess up the synovial fluid found inside. The main tendon in the knee which creates this flextion at the knee take a huge pounding. There is a tremendous amount of flexation during rallies and this stretches and relaxes this tendon, like an elastic band. Sooner of later though, this 'band' is going to snap.

Why is it the right knee?- Simple, most players are right handed, and therefore with lunges the right leg goes out and when streching for a shot, it is the right leg (racquet leg) that take the thud of the lunge, the left leg (non-racquet leg) is simply trailing.

The cure?- Someone buys some bloody sprung wooden floors! :)

Hope This Helps
Matt

LOL

So that's why all the world class badminton stadiums all use flexipave or synthetic rubber flooring - so the best players can look after their knees?

Shame we mere mortals get to play on wooden flooring - great for ice skating!;)

I prefer to play on wooden floors! It's less demanding on the legs due to the 'spring'.

The worst one is the slightly spongy floor. It absorbs all the kinetic energy in the legs making me feel really tired.

i notice too that the yonex shoes where a lot of players play with are very low for the quickness of movement. but on landing your have the full weight on your knee then :s If yonex or forza or ... find something to make that beter the injures at the knee with lower I THINK

I have hurt my knee and I think it may be because of badminton. I'm not the sportiest person ever but I play badminton once a week.

I hadn't done any sport in quite a long time and I played badminton straight for about an hour and a half without any breaks. I now have an injury to my right knee and it doesn't seem to be getting any better after 2 weeks. I've put a support on it but it doesn't help.
It hurts when I bend my leg and it seems to click a lot. It also hurts if I put any pressure on it- especially at the bottom of the knee on the right side.

Do you think it was the badminton?

You should see a sport medicine specialist ASAP. If your knee doesn't lock up or catches, you should be fine for now.

I have hurt my knee and I think it may be because of badminton. I'm not the sportiest person ever but I play badminton once a week.

I hadn't done any sport in quite a long time and I played badminton straight for about an hour and a half without any breaks. I now have an injury to my right knee and it doesn't seem to be getting any better after 2 weeks. I've put a support on it but it doesn't help.
It hurts when I bend my leg and it seems to click a lot. It also hurts if I put any pressure on it- especially at the bottom of the knee on the right side.

Do you think it was the badminton?

Okay, I will do that then. It has been really painful for me.

If you are uncertain, you may consider a private MRI scan by an extremity MRI system. The scan should cover your knee fully extended as well as bended.

Okay, I will do that then. It has been really painful for me.

u better go to a doctor really quickly.. after what happened to my shoulder, clicky sounds make me paranoid :D

Sure thing, I shall do that..

Thanks for the advice guys. :)

If you haven't been playing for a long time, the muscles around your knee will have got weaker.

You might need to see an orthopaedic specialist if it keeps clicking. Best to book an appt at the GP. You might have damaged you meniscii.

Or worst he may damaged his articular cartilage.

Hopefully, more advance cell-based therapy will be available in 5 years' time. Current repair techniques leave much to be desired.

If you haven't been playing for a long time, the muscles around your knee will have got weaker.

You might need to see an orthopaedic specialist if it keeps clicking. Best to book an appt at the GP. You might have damaged you meniscii.

For your general reference: http://www.arthroscopy.com/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartilage and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knee_Cartilage_Replacement_Therapy The most advanced cell-based technique currently available cost USD 35,000 and time from operation to high-impact sport is around one and a half year. Yikkesss :rolleyes:

What is it these days about the right knee and badminton players? . . .

Ughh I've been having knees problem too; but ironically, it's my left knee that hurts ( I'm right-handed btw).

Maybe it's from running laps around the track? I mean, I usually run counter-clockwise, so maybe I put too much pressure on my left leg when I'm turning? http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/icons/icon5.gif . . . hmm this is so weird! I've never had a sports related injury before, but my knee's been hurting for a month now. It hurts whenever I walk, and it hurts even more when I walk up and down the stairs.

Well I guess I can understand if it was my right knees that's hurting, but my left knee? :confused: I'm so confused!

You should see a sports medicine specialist right away. We have the same problem: right hander with left knee problem.

Ughh I've been having knees problem too; but ironically, it's my left knee that hurts ( I'm right-handed btw).

Maybe it's from running laps around the track? I mean, I usually run counter-clockwise, so maybe I put too much pressure on my left leg when I'm turning? http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/icons/icon5.gif . . . hmm this is so weird! I've never had a sports related injury before, but my knee's been hurting for a month now. It hurts whenever I walk, and it hurts even more when I walk up and down the stairs.

Well I guess I can understand if it was my right knees that's hurting, but my left knee? :confused: I'm so confused!

same here, right hander with left knee problems. I am gonna try a knee strap on that left knee.

I gotten alot of trouble with my knees. Dislocated my left knee playing singles a few years ago but was lucky not too much damage done. Unfortunately my right knee isn't so lucky :crying:

I broke a bone in it when I was younger and my doc told me it would never recover fully so I have to wear a knee support when ever I play. I play about 12-15 hrs a week at the moment and my knee really feels the impact of that when i get up in the morning.

My kness are shot a mix of badminton, rugby and skiing havent helped. Tackling a flight of stairs can be a right pain at times but I am far from giving up (except on the rugby). A knee brace helps as do anti inflammatories but I would guess pro's dont have the luxury of being able to pop pills when its bad due to anti doping rules.

I know this doesn't sound very macho, but one session a week of Yoga coupled with a couple of 20 minute home yoga sessions helped sort out my knee problems to the point where I hardly felt anything (losing 2 stone probably helped as well!)

If you can bring yourself to do it then I would thoroughly recommend a bit of yoga to soothe the joints!

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1127149

Here's a nice article about preventative measures to take to help protect your knees from injury.

My kness are shot a mix of badminton, rugby and skiing havent helped. Tackling a flight of stairs can be a right pain at times but I am far from giving up (except on the rugby). A knee brace helps as do anti inflammatories but I would guess pro's dont have the luxury of being able to pop pills when its bad due to anti doping rules.

Anti-inflammatories such as ibuprofen are not performance enhancing, and therefore they will never be on the anti-doping drug lists.

The real danger with anti-inflammatories is that you can make the injury worse without realising it. Although these drugs are good for reducing inflammation, they do nothing for the underlying muscular causes of an injury. Therefore you can feel fine when actually you just injured yourself!

Taking anti-inflammatories is safe when combined with rest. I would always recommend ibuprofen (400mg 3 times daily with meals) for 36 hours following a sporting injury, but this must be combined with rest for that period at least. Ice is good too.

Don’t get me wrong I don’t pop pills all the time (well I do at the moment but that’s for a different issue) Its just when the pain becomes intolerable. I also wear a knee brace from time to time too.

The major way of reducing the pressure on my knees is for me to loose weight 7-10KG's wouldn’t kill me but then one of the other joys in my life would be spoilt (I like my food).

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Think I need some of that, my whole body is packing up...

Will NHS pay for this treatment?

Think I need some of that, my whole body is packing up...

Try taking some fish oil (omega-3 essential fatty acids). Look up their effects, it's a good natural way to affect your body's inflammatory responses.

i got patella tendonitis thru tight shoes feels like shin splints but much higher up shin, just below kneecap, physio is helping, i do squats from a chair and stretch quads to lenghthen tendons also after streching post match ice the area, makes getting out of bed next morning easier

a will ago when i had ankle problems, my doctor told me i was flat footed and blabla long story short got orthodics and im not flat footed anymore, but at the doctors he told me that over-pronation(flat feet) can cause knee problems and back pains, and after badminton i always have sore knee and back, im thinking of trying to wrap my knee like Kwun said. but what started my knee problem i think was badminton+flat feet, which is also bad, and off topic lol

Since November last year(2008), my right knee started to swell after 3 hours of badminton (once per week). This happened twice, the doc prescribed me Voltaren and I gave it a rest. This week I started to play again (since the pain and swelling dissapeared). Within 2 hours after playing the knee began to swell again. By Monday it was almost 2.5 times the original size. The pain was unbearable, I could not bear any weight on the knee. I visited the doc and he immediately took a syringe and drained the synovial fluid etc (severe inflammation). A MRI is scheduled for this Saturday. The doc suspect that part of the meniscus could have detached and begins to interfere with knee movement. Let's see the MRI results, I'm afraid that arthroscopy is not far away :-(. Till then guess I'll play badminton on WII :-)

The MRI was done and the doctor has confirmed that the meniscus is torn. Arthroscopy is needed. This is going to be painful.; to stop playing badminton that is :-(.

You guys should consult an athletic trainer too.

The MRI was done and the doctor has confirmed that the meniscus is torn. Arthroscopy is needed. This is going to be painful.; to stop playing badminton that is :-(.

What exactly did the report say?

HI

Ive had the same problem in 2007. I tore the right meniscus on the inside of the knee.

To let you know the meniscus is shaped like a horseshoe and is the cartlidge between the knee bone which stops it grinding.Now a tear on the meniscus is usually on the outer edges. You can either have a tear or it is completely seperated. A tear would mean it maybe be able to be sewn back together if its on the outer edge, only 10% of the meniscus has a good blood supply, which means the outer edge will heal. If its not on the edge then the Dr will have to cut, and remove the damaged meniscus. And in my case they drilled multiple holes in my knee cap, to allow cartlidge to grow down along my knee bone to stop the bones grinding and allow more blood to the meniscus. If its torn awa, they will cut it off and them reshape the rest of the meniscus to cover the part thats been removed.

You will be six weeks on crutches and expect another 3 months of physio twice a week. It took me 12 months before I was back playing badminton at the highest level I can acheive. My knee still gives us, every so often if I dont have proper footwork.

Make sure you do your physio exercises, also reserach what the surgery is, so you know what to expect and how to heal.

Well, I'm going in next week to fix it. Report mentioned a longitudinal-horizontal and a oblique tear of the posterior horn of the internal meniscus median section . Chondromalacia patella (median and paramedian) developed due to Patellofemoral dysplasia :eek:.

The oblique tear isn't good news :(, the damaged part of the meniscus will be removed and the area smoothened out.

I twisted my knee when I was a teenager while playing football (soccer) 27 years ago. I never really recovered from that, couldn't bend the knee fully since then. An investigative arthroscopy was done in 1983, but nothing was found.

Now, with all the technological advances in medicine (compared to 27 years ago) , I may be lucky. I'll need to do some physiotherapy for that knee cap issue and also for the post-op. Perhaps I'll be able to bend the knee fully again ;).

It's been 8 days since the scope. Massive repair works done. Got of the crutches yesterday, physio looming up in a couple of weeks.

The days are getting closer...the days to hear that "ting" "ting" "whootish" :)

Great to hear. Best wishes for a full and speedy recovery!

Mark

its not difficult to see why these injurys occur go to youtube, watch a badminton video and watch his knees. There is a constant amount of strain throughout the rally. Surely you can think logically for yourself :S

How about including organic apple cider vinegar into your diet and see if it helps your knees? It helps for me. I really don't know how or why it works. I suspect the acetic acid helps the body's absorption of minerals and other nutrients in a more efficient way from the foods you eat. It may be in my head but I also feel I now have more energy.

How about including organic apple cider vinegar into your diet and see if it helps your knees? It helps for me. I really don't know how or why it works. I suspect the acetic acid helps the body's absorption of minerals and other nutrients in a more efficient way from the foods you eat. It may be in my head but I also feel I now have more energy.

Could give that a shot, any recipes involving organic apple cider vinegar :) ?

Could give that a shot, any recipes involving organic apple cider vinegar :) ?

Actually any type of apple cider vinegar will do, although the organic and unfiltered type with a cloudy appearance and some bottom residue is best.
Try to start off with 2 teaspoonful of apple cider vinegar in a glass of water and drink it with a straw before meal. Do this 3 times a day. In two to three days time you will notice your complexion and your nails taking on a more pinkish or reddish tint, signs that blood flow and nutrients to the more distant and harder to reach parts of your body are getting there. In between you can mix apple cider vinegar into a bottle of water to be used as fluids when you play badminton. You can also use it in your foods, salads, and chillies. You can safely consume about 20 teaspoonful or even more in a day, but 6 teaspoonfuls is the minimum.
After one to two weeks you will find you get that extra spring in your legs; your fingers and hairs become stronger, and you actually have more energy.

I then on this basis is going to become one of the worlds best players I have constant right knee problems however don't appear to have problems with left knee !

might I add that I am left handed like LD the worlds greatest player at the moment

I then on this basis is going to become one of the worlds best players I have constant right knee problems however don't appear to have problems with left knee !

Constant=chronic...means that it will not get better till you give it a rest for some time at least to heal; see if the pain comes back again after this break. Nevertheless, check with the doctor.

Don't mess around with the knees; no knees=no footwork= no champion :(.

No knees = can't walk = TKR surgery = cripple :rolleyes:

Constant=chronic...means that it will not get better till you give it a rest for some time at least to heal; see if the pain comes back again after this break. Nevertheless, check with the doctor.

Don't mess around with the knees; no knees=no footwork= no champion :(.

For meniscus problems, have you guys looked into menaflex?

My Knee started to hurt about 2 years ago and progressed.:crying::crying: I started with a knee support and now I have to wear it even when i dont play sometimes. I use a magnetic knee support and it is more efficient. I take Glucosamine/Chondroitin + I wear a heat pack when the situation is worse. I even tried Aloe-Vera gel which was good for a while. But overall I found that drinking an emulsion of Cod Liver Oil in Milk early morning had the best effect of reducing the pain by at least 50%. I know thought that sooner or later I will hv to see a specialist and prob hv an MRI. I play 4-6 hrs a week only.

This is my left knee now......

Twisted it big time while landing after a jump smash.....

Not I have this strap with metal braces on the side to limit the rotational movement. Doctor said the ligaments are fine but possible some cartilage injury. So at least a month without badminton..... :crying:

Damn it!

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We have that here and I always wondered if U can actually PLAY with it? App when U wear it u don't feel the pressure on the joint, is that true? If it is, I am getting one tomorrow to wear especially at work when I am mainly on my feet.

I am sure you can wear one on court, but your movement will be very limited and this thing is made from neoprene, you can imagine how hot it is going to be.

I wear it now during the day, it helps a lot, especially for walking 'down' the stairs. Like you said, it takes a bit of the pressure from the joint. But honestly, it is not a solid metal brace and is only secured by velcro straps, it will not take away all the loads generated from your body. For me, it just secure my lateral movement to prevent further twisting motions.

While you are injured, I think it is better if you are not playing "hard" games.
Let's the injury heals, before you do any stretching action.

By the way, I used knee wrap for healing purposes made by Nature Creation (www.naturecreation.com (http://www.naturecreation.com)). The product is not intended to be used while playing, but it works pretty effective to reduces tingling pain around the knee and connection bones. Just heat the wrap in the microwave for approximately 1-2 minutes and upon application you will feel something sensitive around the pain area is being numbed. After 3-4 treatments, the sensitive pain area will suddenly be gone.

According to the site, the wrap is filled with 9 different herbs, so probably one or some of those herbs work on my pain.

I also have shoulder pain, which I treated with the Nature Creation products.

Just try it out and see if it works on you :p

OK for 2 weeks now I had to cut my play. Cause: Knee pain. Has anyone tried Shark Cartilage and/or Collagen B as treatment? If yes how did it fare? Thnx

OK for 2 weeks now I had to cut my play. Cause: Knee pain. Has anyone tried Shark Cartilage and/or Collagen B as treatment? If yes how did it fare? Thnx

Hi Kiloo,

There was a good thread http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19960&highlight=knee which has a lot of good recommendations on what to do. Specifically read the posts by Cheung, redkingjoe and others. Credits to them.

What I took from that thread and my own research, I take the following:
- 3,000 mg of glucosamine sulfate
- 1,200 mg of chrondroitin sulfate
- 1,000 mg of calcium
- 800 IU of vitamin D
- multi vitamin and vitamin C

In that thread, redkingjoe also recommends bromelian as a supplement, but I cannot get it here in Penang, Malaysia and I am not well versed with our customs on purchasing those.

Other than that, I work on being 'soft' and economical and to glide while doing footwork drills and also while playing. The more force you exert to get to the forecourt to retrieve that net shot, the same equal amount of force on the opposite direction will impact your knees and cartilage when you stop and scurry back to the middle court. So I work on that and being nimble and soft on my footwork, so that I just exert the minimal amount of force/economical to reach the shuttle and move back.

Justin

Thanx Justin,

I actually take 1/2 that everyday and that has been for a while now.....prob 2 years. The latest damages is as U say, forcibly retrieving and scurrying back. I am working on the glide technique too, puts more stress on the Achilles Tendons though. I will rest during the month of Ramadan and see what improvement comes after that. I am chkg that thread too. Thanx

Kiloo

Thanx Justin,

I actually take 1/2 that everyday and that has been for a while now.....prob 2 years. The latest damages is as U say, forcibly retrieving and scurrying back. I am working on the glide technique too, puts more stress on the Achilles Tendons though. I will rest during the month of Ramadan and see what improvement comes after that. I am chkg that thread too. Thanx

Kiloo

1/2 or anything lower, might not be enough. You may just be taking a 'maintenance' dose as opposed to a 'repair' dose. So try upping the dosage to what I am taking daily as above, for a month and see how it goes. No harm in trying and as far as I know, there have been no cases of overdosing on glucosamine etc. :D

Check your shoes also. The cushioning might have worn off, so perhaps a good investment in a new pair of badminton shoes will be good. Mizuno (the 7KM models), Victor (I use VT-7000), Asics and Yonex (SHB 91,98,99,100,101,200) makes good pairs. Make sure you don't skimp on shoes, and get those with fore and rear foot cushioning. Pay special attention to in-soles too to fit your foot type.

Other than that, perhaps maybe lose some weight. Less mass, less force.

Oh, and do take my word with a pinch of salt :)

Justin

No, that's all right. In fact u are confirming everything I already do right (except to up the dose of G/C etc). Yonex Stabil used with additional silicon insoles. Weight 65kg fully dressed for 1m65 approx is not too bad actually but trying to lower it to 61kg. But then if I don't exercise how to lose weight. (NOT eating not being an option.)
Thanx for all the tips. I am taking Shark Cartilage/Collagen now in addition so that should up the dose of Glucosamine/Chondroitin. + I am going to rest a bit to give time to repair.

Weight 65kg fully dressed for 1m65 approx is not too bad actually but trying to lower it to 61kg. But then if I don't exercise how to lose weight. (NOT eating not being an option.)

Your weight should not be a problem then. I am at 75 kg at about 173 cm. I guess perhaps rest is the best thing to do now.

Don't be too concerned about gaining weight when you can't exercise. Watch your diet intake (esp. what you ate and the timing of it). 6-8 meals a day, smaller portions, higher protein, green veggies and essential fats as compared to carbs. You can do no impact sports like swimming, rowing, skipping maybe.

Here are some external links (I hope the admins don't mind) that may prove useful to all. Please be aware that it may not be safe to view at work due to chest bearing men or bikini clad women :D (NSFW).

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_repair/the_ankle_paradox_building_indestructible_ankles

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_repair/18_tips_for_bulletproof_knees

Please do read through that website for other articles. IMHO, it is a top notch web site.

Justin

Hey, thanx man for all that. I'll post back when I get better to encourage others to do same.

I had a meniscus tear in my right knee, although it was gym related ;x can't play badminton for 8-12 weeks now post surgery :( Sucks i'm going to miss so many events, Belgium tourny, 36-hour badminton, local club tourny)

k i'm depressed now -__-

I guess we are all depressed.:crying::crying::crying: I stopped playing since last week and wearing a knee brace when i need to stand up for more than 1/2hr. + taking loads of supplements and a couple of limited anti inflamatories for a few days. Relieved but cautious. I think I will drop the play for another mth or so just to ensure proper healing (some pessimist say there is no healing but I strongly believe there is. man I am 48 only and only re-started playing about 8 years ago. I don't want to stop now. Besides this keeps me fit (other than the knee that is:)) Bon Courage with the healing

I guess we are all depressed.:crying::crying::crying: I stopped playing since last week and wearing a knee brace when i need to stand up for more than 1/2hr. + taking loads of supplements and a couple of limited anti inflamatories for a few days. Relieved but cautious. I think I will drop the play for another mth or so just to ensure proper healing (some pessimist say there is no healing but I strongly believe there is. man I am 48 only and only re-started playing about 8 years ago. I don't want to stop now. Besides this keeps me fit (other than the knee that is:)) Bon Courage with the healing

While you are nursing your injury, try do move around a little bit when it does not hurt that much. Otherwise when your joint, ligaments and tendons have completely healed, you will have a hard time flexing them. That is why you probably need some proper physiotherapy sessions (this is what I am having right now :o ).

But of course, I have not listened to the doctors' advice for not showing up in the badminton court. But thank God that I can feel my knee is getting better now. But even if I play, most of my mates are good enough to cover my injured side and I am playing more like a woman in doubles....... :crying:

While you are nursing your injury, try do move around a little bit when it does not hurt that much. Otherwise when your joint, ligaments and tendons have completely healed, you will have a hard time flexing them. That is why you probably need some proper physiotherapy sessions (this is what I am having right now :o ).

But of course, I have not listened to the doctors' advice for not showing up in the badminton court. But thank God that I can feel my knee is getting better now. But even if I play, most of my mates are good enough to cover my injured side and I am playing more like a woman in doubles....... :crying:

Man I guess we are ALL the same here:rolleyes: The more I read the more I find myself and 'others' doing exactly the same things:D. Like playing mix-doubles style etc....and not listening to the Dr:D.I am doing physio sessions straight away with a therapist, ok.

Man I guess we are ALL the same here:rolleyes: The more I read the more I find myself and 'others' doing exactly the same things:D. Like playing mix-doubles style etc....and not listening to the Dr:D.I am doing physio sessions straight away with a therapist, ok.

Yes, as long as it does not worsen the injury, it is fine.

I lost the a match due to the injury, which came in a very bad time. One month of recovery was definitely not enough for a pretty serious knee injury. No wonder some football players need three months to recover back to match fitness.

I start physiotheraphy next week, I'm feeling very impatient I just want to run asap so I can get decent exercise, starting to fatten up from eating a lot and doing nothing.

I start physiotheraphy next week, I'm feeling very impatient I just want to run asap so I can get decent exercise, starting to fatten up from eating a lot and doing nothing.:crying:
My nightmare too.But as Colekwok quite rightly said, one month might b a little just and 3 month is what we need. I wonder how I fill the gap. Body core exercise is NOTHING compared to badminton. In fact little compares to badminton:cool: Anyway By telling u this I am saying it to MYSELF:" Be patient"

This is it ! :) After 8 months and a week of totally stopping badminton (have posted about my injury within this topic), I'm returning to play in an hour's time. Need to go slow. Confidence...about the knee... nags behind my thoughts. Let's see how it goes...

All the best, we are behind u Youngman.

I then on this basis is going to become one of the worlds best players I have constant right knee problems however don't appear to have problems with left knee !

update : my knees have been fine since I got the support I recently stoped using it and have not used in it in 1+ months it was ok apart from yesterday when my left knee started giving me a lot of pain however I am playin again tomorrow so I will be able to update further

I wanted to ask, whether it was in this thread or the other, that PRP was mentioned (Platelet Rich Plasma). I read a lot about it. Has anyone done the treatment. Any results, ideas, opinions are welcome as I got an appointment to go for treatment. Before I go I'd like to hv a few tips. Thnx