What if Malaysia players fail again..... [Archive] - Badminton Central Discussion Forums

honeong

07-25-2008, 12:14 AM

lets think on the positive way again!!!:(
dont always IF!

erm... the key is to motivate in a different way ba, and telling them how eager we want to see them win for our country, badminton in malaysia is like rugby in newzealand, football in england...that's why we have spent so much money to develop the sport..
when u give a reason for ur failure for the 1st time, try to amend the next time....or the next time, give some better excuses that sounds more convincing and satisfying...
i sincere hope that they will win, especially winning in style(like beating china player for instance:cool:)
previously when lcw win over haolian Dan was emphatic although the team lost, we were happy man because he show us something, but different story with hafiz, sad case...

ookay, wad if they win?get 1 million?but kind reminder to our shuttler, u're fighting for msia, for honour, do it for rakyat....
dun do it for money, or u'll end up in the island country next door:p

Jagdpanther

07-25-2008, 05:28 AM

"Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst." They say...:rolleyes:

gemini12

07-25-2008, 05:50 AM

If you are used to the negativity... negativity will always surrounds you. Change... and it will be good for you.

i agree with u totally. if every player have self believe, he will perform above his ecpectation.

pjswift

07-25-2008, 06:57 AM

Then just disband BAM!

taufik-ist

07-26-2008, 11:50 PM

keep supporting the players whatever the results will be

Noridayu

07-26-2008, 11:58 PM

If Malaysia players fail to deliver, it is fine as long they produced a good battle for the opponent and not tame down. A failure does not mean the end of the world but it will be a tool to gather together and work hand in hand for next Olympics in 2012 in London. Nobody should be blamed for the defeat as everybody plays important part in preparing this bunch of players. Malaysia do not afraid to face defeat as only true Malaysian fans will be behind you in shine or rain. You have my support. To all my beloved players, I believed that this time ,we will not fail in our mission. Thank you for all your commitment.

X Ball

07-27-2008, 12:17 AM

If you are used to the negativity... negativity will always surrounds you. Change... and it will be good for you.

Coming from a very successful guy, namely you, I have to agree. :D

xXazn_romeoXx

07-27-2008, 01:07 AM

now that i've seen the draw, it seems to me that most MAS players have actually easier way through the draws...so i don't think you'd be thinking this anymore...

chemile

07-27-2008, 01:17 AM

Yaaahhh ...if Malaysia fail again.... terima nasib ajah....this is sport or games, everybody can win or loose...

jasonmarc

07-27-2008, 02:11 AM

Mas team.....have been failed in 2000 and 2004....already....no suprise...any more.....so no pressure.........

X Ball

07-27-2008, 02:33 AM

Mas team.....have been failed in 2000 and 2004....already....no suprise...any more.....so no pressure.........

Yes, there was pressure - his tyres lost some presssure the other day.:D

volcom

07-27-2008, 03:29 AM

Only pressure is on MS. Others are not expected to win gold.

victory

07-27-2008, 03:29 AM

nwy5633

07-27-2008, 06:33 AM

yup..
i dun think any living things will willing to spoil their own olympic dream..
tat's why if they ALL fail, i will juz admit tat they did their best but we can't control the results..

bananakid

07-27-2008, 06:39 AM

Pemuda

07-27-2008, 08:56 AM

Firstly, please define What is success and failure for Malaysian players. Winning at least a silver medal is considered succuss? Winning at least a gold medal is considered success? So what is the goal? For me if our MS win gold medal it is a big success. Winning silver medal is considered goal achieved, not a failure. Coming home without medals is a failure. For MS and WS winning any medals is considered goal achieved. Winning gold medal is big success.

Secondly, someone ask what if our players fail again? A ha................... this one is easy and simple.

TRY HARDER NEXT TIME AND DOUBLE UP THE EFFORT! IN SPORTS THERE IS NEVER A MOMENT YOU GIVE UP! NEVER SAY DIE!

I totally agree with ants that if we let negative thoughts cloud our mind, then we are not going any where upward. When we always have negative tought our live will go down hill as well. So I rather believe our players will do well than to say what is they will fail.

Lastly, I also notice some foreigners commented about this so call " what if malaysian players thread" or even mock at us. Hey this forum is for every body we Malaysian can start a thread and discuss what we want as long as rules are respected. We did not invite or force you people to join in the discussion with anyway. Well if you like to talk about what we are discussing you can join us with respect but if you do not like this thread you can start a new thread or stick your nose elsewhere!! I would like remind moderater to take notice of what is happening here.

Firstly, we need to be clear here. The creator of this thread wasnt being negative. The guy was merely asking a question because like all Malaysians, we have been consistently fed a bunch of empty Boleh rhetorics only to see poor results in the end. Look at the state of all our Malaysian sports and I am sure you know what I mean. The creator of this thread was crucified by the Boleh fans here. And I see this "negative energy" thingy being bandied about, dude, this thread is not about negative energy, it is about a Malaysian who is fed up with the current state of malaise and the dose of excuses being regularly dished out.

Secondly, I dont agree with your "stick your nose elsewhere" rant mainly because this is a public forum. If you find it hard to digest opinions that differ from yours, you can either choose to engage in a civil manner or ignore the comment/s. I am sorry, to throw a "stick your nose elsewhere" kinda ultimatum is of poor taste.

Thirdly, what if our players fail again??? Well, in my opinion nothing will change. We will have the usual rant & bitterness i.e. "biased judging", "LYB dirty tricks", "no sambal tumis in the games village" then followed by the usual "we will be back", "they are still young", "we must continue our support" etc etc. We will then engage some consultant and pay them big money to conduct studies and post mortem of Beijing 08' ... and the findings will recommend the usual - increase salaries of officials, players, coaches etc etc.

Lastly, I am sorry, but I am going to say our shuttlers are gonna fall like bowling pins in Beijing. We are going to get hammered big time in the MD. In the MS, LCW will suffer his usual big tournament melt down. Sorry, if I rain on the Malaysia Boleh parade and I will gladly eat humble pie should I am proven wrong ... I do hope I am proven wrong. ;)

victory

07-27-2008, 09:37 AM

Probably a good idea for you to copy the part you highlighted in blue, because 4 years from now, you may need to paste that part in a similar thread in 2012 again... maybe you should add "Thanks for coming, better luck next time". LOL...:p

By the way, this is a public forum, and people stick their nose anywhere they choose to. If you don't like it, maybe you should find one made just for a group like your own istead.

I have said early this year after the LD throwing racket incident I don't talk to people that can not reason. In my opinion you are one of them.

Oldhand

07-27-2008, 10:05 AM

In this forum, no one is talking to any one.
(Um, that's what private messaging is for.)

Here, every one is talking to everyone ;)

victory

07-27-2008, 10:52 AM

Firstly, we need to be clear here. The creator of this thread wasnt being negative. The guy was merely asking a question because like all Malaysians, we have been consistently fed a bunch of empty Boleh rhetorics only to see poor results in the end. Look at the state of all our Malaysian sports and I am sure you know what I mean. The creator of this thread was crucified by the Boleh fans here. And I see this "negative energy" thingy being bandied about, dude, this thread is not about negative energy, it is about a Malaysian who is fed up with the current state of malaise and the dose of excuses being regularly dished out.

Secondly, I dont agree with your "stick your nose elsewhere" rant mainly because this is a public forum. If you find it hard to digest opinions that differ from yours, you can either choose to engage in a civil manner or ignore the comment/s. I am sorry, to throw a "stick your nose elsewhere" kinda ultimatum is of poor taste.

Thirdly, what if our players fail again??? Well, in my opinion nothing will change. We will have the usual rant & bitterness i.e. "biased judging", "LYB dirty tricks", "no sambal tumis in the games village" then followed by the usual "we will be back", "they are still young", "we must continue our support" etc etc. We will then engage some consultant and pay them big money to conduct studies and post mortem of Beijing 08' ... and the findings will recommend the usual - increase salaries of officials, players, coaches etc etc.

Lastly, I am sorry, but I am going to say our shuttlers are gonna fall like bowling pins in Beijing. We are going to get hammered big time in the MD. In the MS, LCW will suffer his usual big tournament melt down. Sorry, if I rain on the Malaysia Boleh parade and I will gladly eat humble pie should I am proven wrong ... I do hope I am proven wrong. ;)

Oh yes I can accept different opinions alright as long as they are presented in a respectable manner. I can even take criticism. No problem. But some postings earlier were obviously filled with mockery. Besides, some of these posting were coming from some people that can not even reason. If you follow most of the threads in this forum long enough you probably can spot them.

So after reading your posting you seems like a very disappointed fan rather than a complete negative nerd ya..............;). At least you voice your reasons of disappointment.

Well lets put it this way most Malaysian fans of nearly all kinds of sport (not just badminton) suffer lots of disappointment. (may be except squash because of the rise of Nicol David). I adopt a very simple stand. If officials, ministers, coaches and even players make excuses for their failure and lack of improvement. I criticize them with good intention. However, I always support the players and the coaches that fighting hard and achieving results and improvements. I can not mixed up the those who constantly use excuses(e.g some officials) with those who is fighting hard and moving upwards(e.g some playes) right? That's no fair right?

At this stage our players need support more than anything. I always think this way. Foreigners can always mock at us and want us to fail but we Malaysian must support our badminton players. They are capable of and have higher chance to win honour for the nation than other sport. Anyway Malaysia is still strong in badminton( not the strongest though).

Most foreign countries ( e.g Canada) have no chance at all in badminton. They have no vested interest and pride to lose. So naturally they will align themselves with the strongest nation and players( so they don't lose face and get disappointed. It is just human nature.) So you see a lot of foreigners from western countries support LD and chinese players because their own countries are fourth world countries in badminton after so many years. ( only except a handfull of them e.g Denmark, German, UK and Holland).Their countries have zero chance. Nil. Zip. Full stop. No but........If you are in their shoes you naturally will behave like them, which I don't blame you.

But you are Malaysian! If you dance to their tune I don't think you are being wise! Can we not support our own players? When they have very realistic chance to win pride for our nation? Wake up Malaysian!

As for negativity, I am sorry I avoid negative thinking like plague. I have conditioned my mind to fight negative thinking many many years ago.

victory

07-27-2008, 11:05 AM

In this forum, no one is talking to any one.
(Um, that's what private messaging is for.)

Here, every one is talking to everyone ;)

Fine! I chose who I want to have a conversation. And I chose to ignore some posting from some people. Isn't this part of human right in free world? Mr Oldhand? I don't violate any rules right?!;) Besides, no one can demand someone to have a conversation with someone right? Can you do it? :eek::confused::p

max_cjs0101

07-27-2008, 11:23 AM

Yet another IF MALAYSIAN PLAYERS blah blah blah thread....
If yes,so?
You got a problem with that?

Oldhand

07-27-2008, 11:36 AM

Fine! I chose who I want to have a conversation. And I chose to ignore some posting from some people. Isn't this part of human right in free world? Mr Oldhand? I don't violate any rules right?!;) Besides, no one can demand someone to have a conversation with someone right? Can you do it? :eek::confused::p
Ignoring a post doesn't require much of an exercise of any right.

The content of this forum's posts is what our members say here.
We also understand that this content constitutes public statements.
After all, any one who visits this forum can read and (perhaps) digest it.

As such, choosing to read or not read is certainly up to you.
So is choosing to respond - all you need is a free registration.

However, it's a different matter if you want to select your own audience.

You need to understand that we, in here, are having a discussion.
The issue at hand might be serious, frivolous, contentious or of any kind.

Nonetheless, it still is a public discussion.
It might be cool or not at all.
It might be useful or not at all.
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What is important is that everyone feels free to participate in it - either by simply reading the posts or by respondng to one or several.

The last thing we want is a regime in which one may hear but not speak.
No one here has any special rights, much less you.

If you want to have a conversation with one or a limited few, try private messaging, free or paid email, mobile texting, satellite telephony or one of several and reliable modern modes of private communicaton.

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ants

07-27-2008, 12:06 PM

Yaaahhh ...if Malaysia fail again.... terima nasib ajah....this is sport or games, everybody can win or loose...

In my opinion there is no such thing as terima Nasib or accept the Fate or some may say its LUCK/Bad LUCK. Luck for me is for those people who go to the battlefield unprepared. It may be different for other people. But that is my opinion. I would call it Timing instead of Luck.
When you are prepared and if you fail, it is an learning experience. There is always something positive that the individual can gain from that certain experience.

Not learning from the experience is another matter.

ants

07-27-2008, 12:17 PM

That will result of numbers of new threads like "why LCW lost", "Bias line judge!!!", "why Malaysian didn't win gold", "BAM false!!!", "China food poisoned us!", "Malaysia will rock again in 2012" and life goes on.... :p

If we lose, we will not Jusitfy anything. Its either we win or we lose. However if we lose by not trying, then they have to be reprimanded for explanation. However if we play our best and still lose. It is the essence of the Game. Then the fans should keep supporting them.

ants

07-27-2008, 12:19 PM

Coming from a very successful guy, namely you, I have to agree. :D

Thank you, i'm just emulating successful people like you.

morphy

07-27-2008, 04:08 PM

well I am glad that the OP isn't representing MAS in the OG because when you let the thought of " failure" creep into your thinking then you WILL surely FAIL. Of that there is no doubt. Of course there's going to be a loser and a winner but often times matches are lost even BEFORE a player steps onto the court.

As an athelete they should know to control the things they can control. They can't b bothered with Coulda Shoulda Woulda. Those are for fans like us to throw about in the forums.

MAS team have a superhuman task ahead of them and nothing is guaranteed even when one tries their best but that's all we can ask for.

ALL the best to the MAS team and may they prevail in the end!!

Pemuda

07-27-2008, 09:38 PM

Oh yes I can accept different opinions alright as long as they are presented in a respectable manner. I can even take criticism. No problem. But some postings earlier were obviously filled with mockery. Besides, some of these posting were coming from some people that can not even reason. If you follow most of the threads in this forum long enough you probably can spot them.

So after reading your posting you seems like a very disappointed fan rather than a complete negative nerd ya..............;). At least you voice your reasons of disappointment.

Am not disappointed. Just amazed at how something without any substance except for rhetorics like Malaysia Boleh can continually pull the wool over our eyes.

Well lets put it this way most Malaysian fans of nearly all kinds of sport (not just badminton) suffer lots of disappointment. (may be except squash because of the rise of Nicol David). I adopt a very simple stand. If officials, ministers, coaches and even players make excuses for their failure and lack of improvement. I criticize them with good intention. However, I always support the players and the coaches that fighting hard and achieving results and improvements. I can not mixed up the those who constantly use excuses(e.g some officials) with those who is fighting hard and moving upwards(e.g some playes) right? That's no fair right?

At this stage our players need support more than anything. I always think this way. Foreigners can always mock at us and want us to fail but we Malaysian must support our badminton players. They are capable of and have higher chance to win honour for the nation than other sport. Anyway Malaysia is still strong in badminton( not the strongest though).

I have no problems in us taking a beating as long as we put in a honest effort. I have no problems with our shuttlers losing and all. I just have a problem when our shuttlers adopt a big time Charlie attitude after winning one major tournament. I have a problem when our shuttlers take a tidak apa approach like i.e. not attend trainings, showboating etc etc. I have a problem with the non-accountability approach of our officials who will continue to stay despite numerous failures. And when public funds are used for sports like badminton, there MUST be accountability.

Most foreign countries ( e.g Canada) have no chance at all in badminton. They have no vested interest and pride to lose. So naturally they will align themselves with the strongest nation and players( so they don't lose face and get disappointed. It is just human nature.) So you see a lot of foreigners from western countries support LD and chinese players because their own countries are fourth world countries in badminton after so many years. ( only except a handfull of them e.g Denmark, German, UK and Holland).Their countries have zero chance. Nil. Zip. Full stop. No but........If you are in their shoes you naturally will behave like them, which I don't blame you.

But you are Malaysian! If you dance to their tune I don't think you are being wise! Can we not support our own players? When they have very realistic chance to win pride for our nation? Wake up Malaysian!

As for negativity, I am sorry I avoid negative thinking like plague. I have conditioned my mind to fight negative thinking many many years ago.

Lets no worry about whether the Canadians, Nigerians or Argentinians support us or China or Indonesia. We should not focus and be petty about that. Like you say, this is a free world and they can choose who they wanna support and etc. Just like us in football, Malaysia is a non-entity. But during the last WC 2006, many Malaysians supported England, France, Argentina etc etc. Did you see fans of Trinidad & Tobago jumping up and ranting that we, Malaysians supported these teams rather than T&T???

I say support has to be earned. It is not a birth right thingy. And Malaysians have a choice. If the set up is unprofessional and tidak apa, why should we support?? And further by stating that MAS will not win the gold in Beijing it doesnt mean one is not patriotic. Patriotism is not about thumping one's chest and chanting Malaysia Boleh.

For me, I say we will fail in the MS & MD because in LCW, though the lad is world # 2, he has never done well in big tournaments. Look at his record at the AE & WC. As for MD, our CTF/LWW dont have a decent record too at major tournaments plus they are a little too old. As for KKK/TBH, I am sorry they have lost the plot after winning the AE.

X Ball

07-27-2008, 09:52 PM

Am not disappointed. Just amazed at how something without any substance except for rhetorics like Malaysia Boleh can continually pull the wool over our eyes.

I have no problems in us taking a beating as long as we put in a honest effort. I have no problems with our shuttlers losing and all. I just have a problem when our shuttlers adopt a big time Charlie attitude after winning one major tournament. I have a problem when our shuttlers take a tidak apa approach like i.e. not attend trainings, showboating etc etc. I have a problem with the non-accountability approach of our officials who will continue to stay despite numerous failures. And when public funds are used for sports like badminton, there MUST be accountability.

Lets no worry about whether the Canadians, Nigerians or Argentinians support us or China or Indonesia. We should not focus and be petty about that. Like you say, this is a free world and they can choose who they wanna support and etc. Just like us in football, Malaysia is a non-entity. But during the last WC 2006, many Malaysians supported England, France, Argentina etc etc. Did you see fans of Trinidad & Tobago jumping up and ranting that we, Malaysians supported these teams rather than T&T???

I say support has to be earned. It is not a birth right thingy. And Malaysians have a choice. If the set up is unprofessional and tidak apa, why should we support?? And further by stating that MAS will not win the gold in Beijing it doesnt mean one is not patriotic. Patriotism is not about thumping one's chest and chanting Malaysia Boleh.

For me, I say we will fail in the MS & MD because in LCW, though the lad is world # 2, he has never done well in big tournaments. Look at his record at the AE & WC. As for MD, our CTF/LWW dont have a decent record too at major tournaments plus they are a little too old. As for KKK/TBH, I am sorry they have lost the plot after winning the AE.

It is almost like you are trying to convince yourself that what you are saying is valid - LD lost to RS in 2004 Athens, is that a great record ? If you want to say anything at all, LD lost because he was mentally not strong. How in the world do you feel LCW would lose to him today when LD cannot even beat LCW in the TC when it counted most ? And LD lost by a big margin, not small.

All you say and you keep repeating the same tiring story that LCW has not done well in big tournaments - well LD did not do well in the previous Olympics when it counted and did he not lose to LCW in the recent TC because he was just not good enough. And don't give me more excuses -- learn from your own biasness before you tell people about theirs.

victory

07-28-2008, 02:59 AM

Ignoring a post doesn't require much of an exercise of any right.

The content of this forum's posts is what our members say here.
We also understand that this content constitutes public statements.
After all, any one who visits this forum can read and (perhaps) digest it.

As such, choosing to read or not read is certainly up to you.
So is choosing to respond - all you need is a free registration.

However, it's a different matter if you want to select your own audience.

You need to understand that we, in here, are having a discussion.
The issue at hand might be serious, frivolous, contentious or of any kind.

Nonetheless, it still is a public discussion.
It might be cool or not at all.
It might be useful or not at all.
It might be passionate or not at all.

What is important is that everyone feels free to participate in it - either by simply reading the posts or by respondng to one or several.

The last thing we want is a regime in which one may hear but not speak.
No one here has any special rights, much less you.

If you want to have a conversation with one or a limited few, try private messaging, free or paid email, mobile texting, satellite telephony or one of several and reliable modern modes of private communicaton.

If, however, you insist on engaging in it here in a public thread, you are advised to exercise your right to go elsewhere :)

I have never uttered a word that I want to select any audience. In contrast I have said anyone want to join our discussion can come in as long as they join us in a respectful manner. Most importantly I do not have the right to delete other people's posting like you do. So how can I select my audience?

While you say that the issues we discuss here can be of any kind and any way be it cool, hot, passionate or not, useful or not I notice you have deleted some of my posting. At the same time I notice some posting that contain obvious mockery and target at certain group for example the Malaysian are not deleted. I can not help to feel double standards are being practiced by the moderators here. And one of them is you.

Lastly thank you for reminding me I can excercise my right here. No I have no intention to excercise my right to go else where. And that means I choose to excercise my right to stay. You have no problem with that sir?:)

limsy

07-28-2008, 03:02 AM

victory is once a positive guy but finally became negative after many disapointment???

victory

07-28-2008, 03:20 AM

Am not disappointed. Just amazed at how something without any substance except for rhetorics like Malaysia Boleh can continually pull the wool over our eyes.

I have no problems in us taking a beating as long as we put in a honest effort. I have no problems with our shuttlers losing and all. I just have a problem when our shuttlers adopt a big time Charlie attitude after winning one major tournament. I have a problem when our shuttlers take a tidak apa approach like i.e. not attend trainings, showboating etc etc. I have a problem with the non-accountability approach of our officials who will continue to stay despite numerous failures. And when public funds are used for sports like badminton, there MUST be accountability.

Lets no worry about whether the Canadians, Nigerians or Argentinians support us or China or Indonesia. We should not focus and be petty about that. Like you say, this is a free world and they can choose who they wanna support and etc. Just like us in football, Malaysia is a non-entity. But during the last WC 2006, many Malaysians supported England, France, Argentina etc etc. Did you see fans of Trinidad & Tobago jumping up and ranting that we, Malaysians supported these teams rather than T&T???

I say support has to be earned. It is not a birth right thingy. And Malaysians have a choice. If the set up is unprofessional and tidak apa, why should we support?? And further by stating that MAS will not win the gold in Beijing it doesnt mean one is not patriotic. Patriotism is not about thumping one's chest and chanting Malaysia Boleh.

For me, I say we will fail in the MS & MD because in LCW, though the lad is world # 2, he has never done well in big tournaments. Look at his record at the AE & WC. As for MD, our CTF/LWW dont have a decent record too at major tournaments plus they are a little too old. As for KKK/TBH, I am sorry they have lost the plot after winning the AE.

Foreigners support our players or not I don't give a damn.Who cares! In badminton we have achieved far more than most of the foreign countries anyway.

To me although there are some negative sides of Malaysian badminton over all they still deserve our support. Especially current batch players they are making us proud by winning a lots of titles. Look at WMC captured China open title against all odd. We have MD that won AG and AE for us. Yes they may tumble a long the way. Even top class players have their low periods. That is normall. LCW had his share of down time of about 8-9 months. But when he is back you can see he has achieved a lot. Even Fuzzy show vast improvements and start to win titles. Now that is still not good enough to win your support?

I predict when KKK/TBH get their act right in Oplympic they can be lethal! Both of them are exceptionally talented. They need challenges to help them grow stronger. Their big break could well be the Olympic title!

victory

07-28-2008, 03:24 AM

victory is once a positive guy but finally became negative after many disapointment???

Ha Ha! Thanks for your concern I am OK. I always try to be positive sir.:)

limsy

07-28-2008, 03:27 AM

Ha Ha! Thanks for your concern I am OK. I always try to be positive sir.:)

hmm...ok...hehe...good to be neutral...:D

pjswift

07-28-2008, 03:44 AM

Foreigners support our players or not I don't give a damn.Who cares! In badminton we have achieved far more than most of the foreign countries anyway.

To me although there are some negative sides of Malaysian badminton over all they still deserve our support. Especially current batch players they are making us proud by winning a lots of titles. Look at WMC captured China open title against all odd. We have MD that won AG and AE for us. Yes they may tumble a long the way. Even top class players have their low periods. That is normall. LCW had his share of down time of about 8-9 months. But when he is back you can see he has achieved a lot. Even Fuzzy show vast improvements and start to win titles. Now that is still not good enough to win your support?

I predict when KKK/TBH get their act right in Oplympic they can be lethal! Both of them are exceptionally talented. They need challenges to help them grow stronger. Their big break could well be the Olympic title!
Maybe your posts on MAS have been too passionate and positive by Oldhand's standards.Some days the Spore weather can be unpredictable, so just stay positive.
As for Mr Pemuda, why would his support matter? He's a NATO guy.But he's good for anyone who wants sales training. After a stretch , you can spot a Pemuda among sales prospects and quickly decide on energy conservation and time.
In any case, MAS team is better off playing outside homeground now.They don't need MAS fan support to win. They just need to stay focussed and be mindful of distraction ploys on court or otherwise.

victory

07-28-2008, 04:53 AM

Maybe your posts on MAS have been too passionate and positive by Oldhand's standards.Some days the Spore weather can be unpredictable, so just stay positive.
As for Mr Pemuda, why would his support matter? He's a NATO guy.But he's good for anyone who wants sales training. After a stretch , you can spot a Pemuda among sales prospects and quickly decide on energy conservation and time.
In any case, MAS team is better off playing outside homeground now.They don't need MAS fan support to win. They just need to stay focussed and be mindful of distraction ploys on court or otherwise.

Ha! Well said! Well said!

That is the kind of attitude MAS team need to adopt. Just stay focus to do their job and give their 100%.

For me no amount of persuasion can get me to the dark side. Like I have said I have conditioned my mind to fight negative thinking since long long time ago.:)

X Ball

07-28-2008, 08:26 AM

Maybe your posts on MAS have been too passionate and positive by Oldhand's standards.Some days the Spore weather can be unpredictable, so just stay positive.
As for Mr Pemuda, why would his support matter? He's a NATO guy.But he's good for anyone who wants sales training. After a stretch , you can spot a Pemuda among sales prospects and quickly decide on energy conservation and time.
In any case, MAS team is better off playing outside homeground now.They don't need MAS fan support to win. They just need to stay focussed and be mindful of distraction ploys on court or otherwise.

Yes he is a NATO SPY causing hegemony amongst Malaysian fans.:D

Oldhand

07-28-2008, 11:48 AM

I have never uttered a word that I want to select any audience. In contrast I have said anyone want to join our discussion can come in as long as they join us in a respectful manner. Most importantly I do not have the right to delete other people's posting like you do. So how can I select my audience?

While you say that the issues we discuss here can be of any kind and any way be it cool, hot, passionate or not, useful or not I notice you have deleted some of my posting. At the same time I notice some posting that contain obvious mockery and target at certain group for example the Malaysian are not deleted. I can not help to feel double standards are being practiced by the moderators here. And one of them is you.

Lastly thank you for reminding me I can excercise my right here. No I have no intention to excercise my right to go else where. And that means I choose to excercise my right to stay. You have no problem with that sir?:)

Posts are not evaluated on a pro-Malaysian or anti-Malaysian basis.
Nor are they judged on their weight of compliments or put-downs.

Suffice it to say that it has a lot to do with relevance, tone and intent.

If criticism and sarcasm weren't welcome, this'd be quite a dull, place.
So long as a barb has a point (pun intended) and it isn't derogatory or rude or obscene or offensive or inflammatory or taboo, it will stay.

If someone considers a post to be objectionable, he/she can always report it for its content or intention. In fact, when moderators miss an unacceptable post, it's well-intentioned members who spot it and report it.

Yes, a few of your posts too have been deleted.
They were quite unacceptable, to say the least.

As for your charge of 'double standards', you are welcome to hold any opinion :)

george@chongwei

07-28-2008, 10:37 PM

hmm..debate, debate and debate again..:D:D
the BEIJING OLYIMPIC HEAT IS ON!:)

Wong8Egg

07-28-2008, 11:14 PM

Foreigners support our players or not I don't give a damn.Who cares! In badminton we have achieved far more than most of the foreign countries anyway.

To me although there are some negative sides of Malaysian badminton over all they still deserve our support. Especially current batch players they are making us proud by winning a lots of titles. Look at WMC captured China open title against all odd. We have MD that won AG and AE for us. Yes they may tumble a long the way. Even top class players have their low periods. That is normall. LCW had his share of down time of about 8-9 months. But when he is back you can see he has achieved a lot. Even Fuzzy show vast improvements and start to win titles. Now that is still not good enough to win your support?

I predict when KKK/TBH get their act right in Oplympic they can be lethal! Both of them are exceptionally talented. They need challenges to help them grow stronger. Their big break could well be the Olympic title!

LOL. Maybe you should just chill, relax, sit back and enjoy the Olympic. There are loads of trash talks going on this forum and please don't let them get to you, Malaysia haven't fail ... yet.

Peace :p

george@chongwei

07-28-2008, 11:24 PM

yeah..what about if we think clockwise..
what if malaysia players win??:D:D
we shud think on the positive side 1st.
hehe

madbad

07-28-2008, 11:25 PM

Go ahead..It would be good if What will happen when China win 5 Golds or Clean Sweep in Badminton.

You'll get the usual spate of excuses of cheating, bias line judges, other players were injured/sick. If CHN sweeps all the Golds, they deserve it. End of story.

Loh

07-28-2008, 11:33 PM

erm... the key is to motivate in a different way ba, and telling them how eager we want to see them win for our country, badminton in malaysia is like rugby in newzealand, football in england...that's why we have spent so much money to develop the sport..
when u give a reason for ur failure for the 1st time, try to amend the next time....or the next time, give some better excuses that sounds more convincing and satisfying...
i sincere hope that they will win, especially winning in style(like beating china player for instance:cool:)
previously when lcw win over haolian Dan was emphatic although the team lost, we were happy man because he show us something, but different story with hafiz, sad case...

ookay, wad if they win?get 1 million?but kind reminder to our shuttler, u're fighting for msia, for honour, do it for rakyat....
dun do it for money, or u'll end up in the island country next door:p

BTW, What's so NEGATIVE about "the island country next door"? Or are you just a sour grape? :D:D:D

pjswift

07-29-2008, 03:09 AM

yeah..what about if we think clockwise..
what if malaysia players win??:D:D
we shud think on the positive side 1st.
hehe
Someone's supposed to go bald?

Loh

07-29-2008, 03:20 AM

Someone's supposed to go bald?

Actually that's not too much to expect from the young die-hard fans since KKK was willing to go bald when he and TBH won the AE crown! It's just like being admitted into the skinhead club. :cool::cool::cool:

Oldhand

07-29-2008, 03:23 AM

BTW, What's so NEGATIVE about "the island country next door"? Or are you just a sour grape? :D:D:D

The reference is probably to the many islands of Indonesia :D

Loh

07-29-2008, 03:31 AM

The reference is probably to the many islands of Indonesia :D

I wish it was true but the reference to dollars changed my mind: :rolleyes:

Quote:

"...ookay, wad if they win?get 1 million?but kind reminder to our shuttler, u're fighting for msia, for honour, do it for rakyat....
dun do it for money, or u'll end up in the island country next door "

huangkwokhau

07-29-2008, 03:39 AM

The reference is probably to the many islands of Indonesia :D
hm...:rolleyes: why is Indonesia part of this?:confused:

abedeng

07-29-2008, 03:48 AM

hm...:rolleyes: why is Indonesia part of this?:confused:

Never mind, if Malaysia fails, Indonesia won't ...... :D

Loh

07-29-2008, 03:51 AM

hm...:rolleyes: why is Indonesia part of this?:confused:

Because Indonesia happens to be part of "the island country next door". :rolleyes:

samuel882

07-29-2008, 06:15 AM

Never mind, if Malaysia fails, Indonesia won't ...... :D
What if both FAILS?:eek:

limsy

07-29-2008, 06:47 AM

What if both FAILS?:eek:

malaysia dream...ina deliver...

but this time...i hope is...

malaysia dream,MASINA deliver...:D...we share the 5 title...:p

X Ball

07-29-2008, 06:53 AM

What if both FAILS?:eek:

Perish your thoughts - it will not even happen in your dreams. I have a good feeling Malaysia as well as INA will be coming home with the yellow metals.:)

limsy

07-29-2008, 07:01 AM

Perish your thoughts - it will not even happen in your dreams. I have a good feeling Malaysia as well as INA will be coming home with the yellow metals.:)

haha...^^...ya...this is true

drifit

07-29-2008, 07:27 AM

What if both FAILS?:eek:
this will happen then........:D:p:D:p
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58343

volcom

07-29-2008, 09:18 AM

Perish your thoughts - it will not even happen in your dreams. I have a good feeling Malaysia as well as INA will be coming home with the yellow metals.:)
You always have the good feelings like WC last year and AE this year :D:D

Wong8Egg

07-29-2008, 01:09 PM

Perish your thoughts - it will not even happen in your dreams. I have a good feeling Malaysia as well as INA will be coming home with the yellow metals.:)

Bronze is yellowish. :p

madbad

07-29-2008, 01:23 PM

Bronze is yellowish. :p

So is tarnished silver ;):p

Han

07-29-2008, 05:42 PM

What if both FAILS?:eek:

"Abang-adik", hug and cry then comfort one another :D

Loh

07-29-2008, 09:30 PM

You always have the good feelings like WC last year and AE this year :D:D

Those are only dreams ... If one does not have the right to dream and convey his dreams in public, then there is less to live for ... :p

Unfortunately the dreams did not materialize. :eek:

The gold medals evaporated and changed into yellow metals! Just dreams ... and it lingers on ....

X Ball

07-30-2008, 01:16 AM

LOL, give it to me guys - I can take it as much I give out. :)

madbad

07-30-2008, 01:26 AM

LOL, give it to me guys - I can take it as much I give out. :)

Haha, X Ball, we're just having a good natured laugh. And you know that too. All in the fun of proceedings ;):D

X Ball

07-30-2008, 01:28 AM

Haha, X Ball, we're just having a good natured laugh. And you know that too. All in the fun of proceedings ;):D

I am not Pemuda. It is ok:D:D

Loh

07-30-2008, 01:38 AM

LOL, give it to me guys - I can take it as much I give out. :)

That's what I like about you. ;) You give it real hard and consequently received back real hard also. But in the end ... after some mutual kinds words ... we're back to square one ... until the next bombshell ... the fun goes on ... until the mod stops it ... :eek::eek::eek:... then we're back to SQUARE ONE ....:confused::cool::p

But we are still friends... right? :):D

X Ball

07-30-2008, 03:10 AM

That's what I like about you. ;) You give it real hard and consequently received back real hard also. But in the end ... after some mutual kinds words ... we're back to square one ... until the next bombshell ... the fun goes on ... until the mod stops it ... :eek::eek::eek:... then we're back to SQUARE ONE ....:confused::cool::p

But we are still friends... right? :):D

Thanks Loh, I may go down to Singapore next month and will ask you out for Satays and perhaps go down to 'Hooters'. :)

Pemuda

07-31-2008, 08:33 PM

It is almost like you are trying to convince yourself that what you are saying is valid - LD lost to RS in 2004 Athens, is that a great record ? If you want to say anything at all, LD lost because he was mentally not strong. How in the world do you feel LCW would lose to him today when LD cannot even beat LCW in the TC when it counted most ? And LD lost by a big margin, not small.

All you say and you keep repeating the same tiring story that LCW has not done well in big tournaments - well LD did not do well in the previous Olympics when it counted and did he not lose to LCW in the recent TC because he was just not good enough. And don't give me more excuses -- learn from your own biasness before you tell people about theirs.

Big titles?? LD won two WCs. And he got 3 AE titles tucked away. Again, how many WCs and AEs does LCW have? Or maybe shall I put it this way, has LCW ever made the final in either the WCs or AEs before?

LD got a total of 15 super series titles todate. LCW how many?? Use a calculator if you need help.

And as for your 'when it counted most' thingy for the TC, let me ask you who won the TC cup??

Pemuda

07-31-2008, 08:38 PM

Maybe your posts on MAS have been too passionate and positive by Oldhand's standards.Some days the Spore weather can be unpredictable, so just stay positive.
As for Mr Pemuda, why would his support matter? He's a NATO guy.But he's good for anyone who wants sales training. After a stretch , you can spot a Pemuda among sales prospects and quickly decide on energy conservation and time.
In any case, MAS team is better off playing outside homeground now.They don't need MAS fan support to win. They just need to stay focussed and be mindful of distraction ploys on court or otherwise.

I am sorry I am unable to jump on your Boleh bandwagon. NATO?? Well, if that makes you happy. You can call me that till you foam in your mouth.

Pemuda

07-31-2008, 08:42 PM

Perish your thoughts - it will not even happen in your dreams. I have a good feeling Malaysia as well as INA will be coming home with the yellow metals.:)

2 gold medals eh??

Just dont throw away your lolly if MAS return with no gold.

Pemuda

07-31-2008, 09:10 PM

You always have the good feelings like WC last year and AE this year :D:D

lol :D:D:D Its good to have a jester in the court.

... anyway, the prediction is that MAS will romp home with 2 gold from badminton ;)

d65up2

07-31-2008, 11:08 PM

Good question...if MAS fail again then I am a happy man....no offence

george@chongwei

07-31-2008, 11:36 PM

Good question...if MAS fail again then I am a happy man....no offence
pemuda, any comment??:D:D:D:p

d65up2

07-31-2008, 11:40 PM

pemuda, any comment??:D:D:D:p

I bet u guys me alot along with Datok and Pemuda hohoho..I mean dude if we are all Pro MAS there is no spice so I am wat u called the Spice in tom yum...cos currently there are too much sugar in the tom yum

X Ball

08-01-2008, 12:29 AM

lol :D:D:D Its good to have a jester in the court.

... anyway, the prediction is that MAS will romp home with 2 gold from badminton ;)

What if they return with the Gold ? Instead of me being the jester, you will become the FOOL.;)

X Ball

08-01-2008, 12:30 AM

2 gold medals eh??

Just dont throw away your lolly if MAS return with no gold.

I don't suck lollies, it is for kids like you.

Pemuda

08-01-2008, 01:32 AM

What if they return with the Gold ? Instead of me being the jester, you will become the FOOL.;)

Well, time will tell. ;)

Pemuda

08-01-2008, 01:35 AM

I don't suck lollies, it is for kids like you.

Well, I can certainly see you are pretty familar with sucking of lollies & all.

gifted

08-01-2008, 01:48 AM

In my opinion, all that you guys have just said here just remains here, there is a lot more to what you all have just mentioned. If you all think it is that easy and can just describe 'winning' and 'losing' the olympics in words, you all will just go through a never-ending debate.

But I do appreciate it, because.......... it means Malaysians have PASSION!
and that is the most important thing in anything you do. PASSION!

It is not as easy as you all say in words, 'stay mentally strong' 'positive attitude' 'negative attitude' 'never give up' if the world were that easy, all would be settled.

Take for example Roger Federer, a superb if not the best tennis player of all time had been dominating for so long. and now rafael nadal pops up, some one younger, with an attitude and also in comparison a better and more complete athlete. Do you think it is easy for Federer? Even if he says 'think positive think positive' you think it will work? In his mind, he has this ghost that is haunting him everytime he says 'think positive'. But one thing is for sure. If he has PASSION and keeps on trying. He MIGHT just comeback with more consistent strokes and a tactic to beat Rafael. But this is an IF or MIGHT not a FOR SURE!

All I am asking for in this post is SUPPORT the Malaysian team in every way which is what you all are doing but in a different manner, which is voicing all your rubbish talk ;) (I am trying to put things into perspective).

The purpose of this post is to make you all realize there is PASSION in Malaysians and NOT ONLY in the NATIONAL TEAM but also the people of MALAYSIA. That is the POSITIVE thing that we should be FOCUSing on and not the 'winning' or 'losing' in the Olympics ! CONTINUE TO HAVE PASSION and BELIEVE in our Athletes.
Malaysia BOLEH!

Signing off

GifTeD

ants

08-01-2008, 07:03 AM

limsy

08-01-2008, 07:15 AM

extremenanopowe

08-01-2008, 10:15 AM

My guess is life goes on. With a good crop of players coming into the fray... nothing is impossible in the future. The future is just a few days away...

Pemuda

08-01-2008, 10:44 AM

Foreigners support our players or not I don't give a damn.Who cares! In badminton we have achieved far more than most of the foreign countries anyway.

To me although there are some negative sides of Malaysian badminton over all they still deserve our support. Especially current batch players they are making us proud by winning a lots of titles. Look at WMC captured China open title against all odd. We have MD that won AG and AE for us. Yes they may tumble a long the way. Even top class players have their low periods. That is normall. LCW had his share of down time of about 8-9 months. But when he is back you can see he has achieved a lot. Even Fuzzy show vast improvements and start to win titles. Now that is still not good enough to win your support?

I predict when KKK/TBH get their act right in Oplympic they can be lethal! Both of them are exceptionally talented. They need challenges to help them grow stronger. Their big break could well be the Olympic title!

Denmark have won the WCs 9 times and they have also won the Olympic gold. They have a smaller population base than Msia. Even Sweden, S Korea, USA, Japan and England have won the WC.

limsy

08-01-2008, 10:48 AM

Denmark have won the WCs 9 times and they have also won the Olympic gold. They have a smaller population base than Msia. Even Sweden, S Korea, USA, Japan and England have won the WC.

pemuda...did wc mean much to u???...hmm...

Pemuda

08-01-2008, 10:57 AM

What is the "Boleh" spirit?? Is it about having the world tallest pencil or flagpole?? The biggest ikan bakar grill in the world? Or the longest hula hooping?

I think what is sad is to see people trumping up shallow achievements. But I guess if one dont have the substance, living under false pretense will sort of soothe their egos. Pity.

Lets see how far will that "Boleh" spirit take our shuttlers. I see the talk i.e. "I have a good feeling" and the tats i.e. "Glory" ... lets see where is the substance. And Beijing is ideal to test that "Boleh" thingy.

Pemuda

08-01-2008, 11:00 AM

pemuda...did wc mean much to u???...hmm...

limsy, I dont know about you but I rate the Olympics, WC and AE as the top 3. Maybe you consider the Walt Disney or Scooby Doo Open as the big ones.

hmmm ...

cooler

08-01-2008, 11:04 AM

i can see a huge mood swing after the OG. If LCW lost, the whole country mourns. If LCW wins gold, they prolly declare a LCW national boleh holiday.

d65up2

08-01-2008, 11:15 AM

I hope not...well

chris-ccc

08-01-2008, 12:38 PM

.
It is simple. The reply for this thread is "Try, try and try again".

Courage should appear,
For if we persevere,
We will conquer, never fear.

:):):)
.

bananakid

08-01-2008, 12:59 PM

Its sad for those who don't have "Boleh" spirit in their lives. All they have is "self doubt" , life must be hard in the PAST.
Imagine if you can be a much greater person than you think you are now if you remove the self doubt in you. Start believing. If you don't believe in other people... start believing in yourself.

This is quite funny to say the least.

If just screaming "Malaysia Boleh" will make you a success (or a greater person in your terms), seriously!!! Why do I only see some out of shape men with huge beer belly playing drums and screaming "Boleh" in all those Malaysia and Singapore opens?:confused: You are not going to tell me that they are a huge success in life now, are you?:rolleyes: I am 110% sure that they are full of "Boleh" spirit alright.

I don't see Bill Gates, Warren Buffet jumps up and down, screaming "U.S.A, U.S.A" like some of those American people do.:rolleyes:

I am not saying that having self doubt is a good thing, but overly positive without being prepared for the negatives or the unexpected in life, only means that person is naive to say the least.

Positive = good
Negative = not good
Overly positive = fool
Overly negative = depress

It is best not to be at the extreme end of things.;)

Let me tell you something that will hold true over time:

Successful people plan for their success and take action, then talk AFTER they accomplish their goals.
Other people talk before they accomplish anything, and sit there and wish for the best ("Boleh" spirit).. then eventually make excuses of why they don't accomplish their goals.

Wong8Egg

08-01-2008, 01:15 PM

pemuda...did wc mean much to u???...hmm...

This post is hilarious. Your countryman are so furious with WC every year and when they lose you just go like, welll, we don't care it much. Of course, if LCW win, it would be a big big thing like we have finally conquered the evil empire of LYB's. :cool:

cooler

08-01-2008, 02:30 PM

limsy

08-01-2008, 08:34 PM

limsy, I dont know about you but I rate the Olympics, WC and AE as the top 3. Maybe you consider the Walt Disney or Scooby Doo Open as the big ones.

hmmm ...

This post is hilarious. Your countryman are so furious with WC every year and when they lose you just go like, welll, we don't care it much. Of course, if LCW win, it would be a big big thing like we have finally conquered the evil empire of LYB's. :cool:

hmm...u know what...yes..wc is an important one...but then...i think over means is not a good think...of course i want mas to win wc,og...but i wont critic player just because he/she didnt/cant win it...

X Ball

08-01-2008, 11:04 PM

From Lincoln to Bush today, all the great presidents, are all men with the greatest aspirations. These are not ordinary people who have mediocre dreams. They come with greatness which needs them to be more positive than most.

If you ask any of them, they would not tell you Americans cannot do it. The American dream is always a positive one and that is why they are such a great nation today.

So for all you people here who talk about postiveness (even overly positiveness) being wrong, you will not qualify for that American success and will never know that success built on positive thinking.

victory

08-02-2008, 12:32 AM

X Ball

08-02-2008, 01:12 AM

They are just so many negative people in this little community. It is their choice and their right. No problem with that.

Negative people will always see negative side in anything everytime. Unless they decide to change their own thinking and attitude, no amount of persuasion from others can help them. Other people can only provide positive informations and opinions. But they have to decide to open up their heart and their mind to accept it. Sadly, most the time negative people are close up and narrow minded.

Looking at some of them, I don't think I can help them to see things more positively by giving facts and opinions, even with the best intentions. After all, after some waste effort, I realize I am not here with a mission to teach other people's kids.

So why should I keep debating with some people that just way to negative to see eye to eye with me? Too bad.

I suggest those of us that decide to always see things positively stick together, encourage each other and enjoy our companion shall we?

For the negative one? I think you know what to do.............

Two things I like to add below (in addition to what you have said).

Negativity:
Negativity has always been associated with 'being cautious', 'not being overconfident', 'it is too hard', 'we don't want to be blamed if we fail', 'being realistic', etc. There is nothing wrong with these in some context but it certainly does not spell out 'WE WILL WIN'.

Personally, I am sick of, and I don't want to hear anymore our team being cautious and being realistic - this is the Olympics, if we are not ready to win, then don't go. If our minds are not ready to win, it means we are going to lose. If we are not ready to lose our jobs, quit (that means the coaches as well). So far, I see a lot of positiveness in most of the sports that Malaysians are participating in. I will not be disappointed if they lose coz they are positive going in and aim to do their best.

National Pride:
Olympics is a time we show our national pride, coz this is a competition of nations, not only individuals (and individuals represent nations). For those with no national pride, they can go on rubbishing their own Malaysian players for all I care coz they know no better (on the day, they will be cheering the opposition and we know who they are). Stand up for your nation -- this is the Olympics. I am impressed with Loh coz he supports Ronald Susilo - he gets my respect this time.

ctjcad

08-02-2008, 02:03 AM

...
If you ask any of them, they would not tell you Americans cannot do it. The American dream is always a positive one and that is why they are such a great nation today.
...
..i mean an Olympic dream, the U.S. is still dreaming about winning its first ever badminton Gold medal... :crying: :( ;)

victory

08-02-2008, 03:42 AM

Two things I like to add below (in addition to what you have said).

Negativity:
Negativity has always been associated with 'being cautious', 'not being overconfident', 'it is too hard', 'we don't want to be blamed if we fail', 'being realistic', etc. There is nothing wrong with these in some context but it certainly does not spell out 'WE WILL WIN'.

Personally, I am sick of, and I don't want to hear anymore our team being cautious and being realistic - this is the Olympics, if we are not ready to win, then don't go. If our minds are not ready to win, it means we are going to lose. If we are not ready to lose our jobs, quit (that means the coaches as well). So far, I see a lot of positiveness in most of the sports that Malaysians are participating in. I will not be disappointed if they lose coz they are positive going in and aim to do their best.

National Pride:
Olympics is a time we show our national pride, coz this is a competition of nations, not only individuals (and individuals represent nations). For those with no national pride, they can go on rubbishing their own Malaysian players for all I care coz they know no better (on the day, they will be cheering the opposition and we know who they are). Stand up for your nation -- this is the Olympics. I am impressed with Loh coz he supports Ronald Susilo - he gets my respect this time.

That's right. There are some people in this forum fail to see the sensitivity of other people, for example the Malaysian forumers, because their countries do not have serious contestant for the medals. May be not even a representative. ( correct me if I am wrong). Therefore they fail to see this is about nation pride. We Malaysian have nation pride at stick in this badminton event in OG. Cheering our players and having the right expectancy of winning medals is a right thing to do. I don't apology for that. I am proud of it.

Having right expectancy is not just about sports. Maintaining positive thinking and right expectancy is also very important in life. For example I am a businessman, if I don't think I can be successful and earn mony in business why should I continue my business. Might as well fold up my business today.

So having right expectancy of MAS players winning medals and talk about it before even achieving it is not being loud, naive, boastfull and all that. It is being positive! Many sportmen/sportwomen and motivational experts adhere to this principle. They hold on to their dreams, create of vision of them and always maintain an expectancy of achieving them and talk about them all the time. They create a mental state that help them tap unbelievable potential/energy within them to achieve to goals. That is why maintaining postitive thinking is so important.

But one Malaysian forumer always like to think "Malaysia tak boleh" and he seems to be quite proud of it. Strange................

abedeng

08-02-2008, 07:43 AM

But one Malaysian forumer always like to think "Malaysia tak boleh" and he seems to be quite proud of it. Strange................

That Malaysian forummer is trying to prove the point that mentally, most Malaysian athletes (in any sport, not just badminton) are not adept to take the extra step and work as champions despite having all the necessary ingredients to become champions. And I don't think maintaining pride is his point. Of course, better choices of words and tones might have made the message more acceptable ....... :)

Part of the reason is the Malaysian environment, fuelled by the mass media which is perhaps too eager with a support base that is too hostile to accept failure, and it is this same environment that scares the players, though they don't say it. Even in this forum, there are traces of the huge expectations which put a lot of pressure on these players and coaches alike.

To compare with the Indonesian environment, even if the players don't do well, the only person with loud noise would be the head of PBSI and a few others. The rest of the community sympathises with the players and coaches. This is the reason why Indonesia can bounce back very quickly from a poor showing. This was also the same environment in the then Malaya (and now Malaysia), that produced top class badminton champions and leading Asian footballers from the 50s to the 80s.

Once in a blue moon, Malaysia gets some mentally tough players like Wong Mew Choo, Wong Pei Tty, Ong Ewe Hock and Foo Kok Keong, although in terms of ability, they are more limited than say, Lee Chong Wei, Yong Hock Kin, Hafiz, Koo and Tan, Cheah Soon Kit and Yap Kim Hock etc. It's like a mismatch of raw talent vs mental ability.

Malaysia started late in the game of sports psychology, so it will take time to see if this trend could be reversed.

X Ball

08-02-2008, 08:13 AM

That Malaysian forummer is trying to prove the point that mentally, most Malaysian athletes (in any sport, not just badminton) are not adept to take the extra step and work as champions despite having all the necessary ingredients to become champions. And I don't think maintaining pride is his point. Of course, better choices of words and tones might have made the message more acceptable ....... :)

Part of the reason is the Malaysian environment, fuelled by the mass media which is perhaps too eager with a support base that is too hostile to accept failure, and it is this same environment that scares the players, though they don't say it. Even in this forum, there are traces of the huge expectations which put a lot of pressure on these players and coaches alike.

To compare with the Indonesian environment, even if the players don't do well, the only person with loud noise would be the head of PBSI and a few others. The rest of the community sympathises with the players and coaches. This is the reason why Indonesia can bounce back very quickly from a poor showing. This was also the same environment in the then Malaya (and now Malaysia), that produced top class badminton champions and leading Asian footballers from the 50s to the 80s.

Once in a blue moon, Malaysia gets some mentally tough players like Wong Mew Choo, Wong Pei Tty, Ong Ewe Hock and Foo Kok Keong, although in terms of ability, they are more limited than say, Lee Chong Wei, Yong Hock Kin, Hafiz, Koo and Tan, Cheah Soon Kit and Yap Kim Hock etc. It's like a mismatch of raw talent vs mental ability.

Malaysia started late in the game of sports psychology, so it will take time to see if this trend could be reversed.

Well it is fair to say that the forumer was trying to prove a point that our players are mentality weak.

But to continue to bash the players (regardless of what words were used) zealously in as many ways as he did, contradicts himself and his purpose - it reflects nothing more than a person without sympathy but just wanting to be proven right.

Players would go through their learning curves and need to nurture their own growth - like you said they need sympathy to bounce back. The harshness that we exact on these players can destroy them altogether - I, as a fan understand that I ought to show my support and sympathy to get them to come back. Getting them to work with sports psychologist is perhaps a way of changing their weaknesses but getting sympathetic support from fans beats it all (there is nothing more despairing than the boos from your own fans).

Pemuda

08-03-2008, 05:39 AM

Let me tell you something that will hold true over time:

Successful people plan for their success and take action, then talk AFTER they accomplish their goals.
Other people talk before they accomplish anything, and sit there and wish for the best ("Boleh" spirit).. then eventually make excuses of why they don't accomplish their goals.

Spot on!

Over here in MAS, we do things the other way round. We beat our drums before we deliver the results.

drifit

08-03-2008, 06:28 AM

only happen to M'sia?
i dont see any other country that is so hunger for medal.
any thread for "what if INA fail again?", "what if Korea fail again", "other sports to get medal for USA?", "will China tops the medal winnings?", "no medal for Thailand?", "what if China fail again to obtain 5 golds in badminton?", "no medal in badminton for UK?"...........................:rolleyes:

answer to the title's question; "we will try again in 4 years at England"

pjswift

08-03-2008, 06:38 AM

LCW may fail if he tells himself he will play his best for his country.
And if he's surrounded by people, esp officials,who keep on reminding him 'to play his best for his country.'
Or silly coaches like Rashid who, in the same breath,said he believed in LCW's ability to better him and raked up a past failure to say why he worried LCW might not.What kind of coach is this? A mixed-message, hug&step expert? BAM should send Rashid to a proven course on 'How to motivate properly' before he confuses his own charges.
But indications are Frederick, the sports psychologist, has done a good job on LCW. So LCW should be able to block out distractions and see just his opponent and focus on what needs to be done.
At least YKH did a good job of motivating by telling his story of how he won the silver by first having the belief.
So for LCW, dump the rubbish about playing for the country.
Keep things simple.
Believe because of superb preparations to bring out his best badminton.
Win one match at a time.

Pemuda

08-03-2008, 06:59 AM

samuel882

08-03-2008, 07:33 AM

george@chongwei

08-03-2008, 10:16 AM

huangkwokhau

08-03-2008, 10:21 AM

errr ... is badminton still gonna be an Olympic sport in London?
Yes..Badminton will be still featured in London 2012..not sure after that...if USA gets the bid,..the chance is no badminton....:(

X Ball

08-03-2008, 09:30 PM

Spot on!

Over here in MAS, we do things the other way round. We beat our drums before we deliver the results.

Spot on nothing ! Here in MAS, we support our guys and give them our encouragement with one exception - YOU ! :o

bananakid

08-03-2008, 09:39 PM

Spot on nothing ! Here in MAS, we support our guys and give them our encouragement with one exception - YOU ! :o

Yeah... if your precious support and encouragement really helps, why hasn't any MAS player ever EVER brought home any result for the last ?# of years?
Get real, buddy. Unless your support is $$$ related, nobody really gives a XYZ.:rolleyes:

X Ball

08-03-2008, 09:43 PM

Yeah... if your precious support and encouragement really helps, why hasn't any MAS player ever EVER brought home any result for the last ?# of years?
Get real, buddy. Unless your support is $$$ related, nobody really gives a XYZ.:rolleyes:

And has Canada brought back anything, maybe even an Indian trophy ? And you know why it hasn't - because it has got no support. Learn to read before you write.

Loh

08-03-2008, 10:04 PM

pjswift

08-03-2008, 10:28 PM

Talking about dollars, the recent incentive for winning a gold medal is really attractive as LCW himself has acknowledged and this could perhaps help change the minds of some parents to allow their children to become professionals.

1 million Malaysian Ringgit plus RM5,000 per month pension for life!

Assuming an athlete can live till 70 years and he won an Olympic gold medal at 25, he still has 45 years to enjoy his pension.

Multiply 45 years by RM60,000 p.a., that will snowball to RM 2.7 million.
The gold medal winner would have received RM3.7 million in total from the Malaysian government for his entire life.

And there will be other perks for him/her during the early stages, such as commercial endorsements, sponsorships, gifts from well wishers, etc. And the possibility of becoming a coach during the athlete's later years after active service!
Loh, why do the Maths for the MAS govt?They wouldn't know how much they may actually be giving out until your free service. What if they decide to cut down the pension because of your diligence? Badminton aces deserve more govt bonus to make up for the paltry tournament earnings.(But it may turn out to be 'owed money' since BAM has been known to owe its players money.)

bananakid

08-03-2008, 10:54 PM

And has Canada brought back anything, maybe even an Indian trophy ? And you know why it hasn't - because it has got no support. Learn to read before you write.

and aren't you the same person who wasn't happy with the personal insult you received, but here you are giving it out.:rolleyes:

Canada has won Olympic medals before just for your information... just not in badminton, because Canadian players are too busy whining and complaining about match fixing instead of training hard.:eek:

markchan

08-03-2008, 11:41 PM

I think the best thing for LCW to do is NOT to come to this forum !! so as not to read all the negative posts in here. Remember this saying " IF YOU THINK YOU ARE BEATEN, YOU ARE !!"

X Ball

08-04-2008, 02:18 AM

and aren't you the same person who wasn't happy with the personal insult you received, but here you are giving it out.:rolleyes:

Canada has won Olympic medals before just for your information... just not in badminton, because Canadian players are too busy whining and complaining about match fixing instead of training hard.:eek:

Don't worry about the insults, they mean nothing to me coming from you. And also you are arguing out of context.

vching

08-04-2008, 06:21 AM

Malaysian players definitely won't fail again. Because we BOLEH ma!

If we fail... OK, lets not go there :D :D :D (thinking of my own advise before the TC to think positive... then again, where did it bring us? )

Tommy Susanto

08-04-2008, 01:29 PM

More misery especially in this forum to say the least:p

Lobeh

08-04-2008, 01:54 PM

Malaysia has a world beater, you negative ones.........Nicol David!!
Somehow she gets forgotten, don't understand why. And Malaysia has won Silver and Bronze in badminton. Gold is the missing one and I for one think the current squad has a good chance as any to win one. All depends on the day, dear boy. And this applies to all the players from wherever.
But I do enjoy reading Pemuda's 'Doom and Gloom' viewpoint....very entertaining and long may he continue.

samuel882

08-04-2008, 04:43 PM

chris-ccc

08-04-2008, 08:43 PM

In CTF/LWW latest interview before the MAS squad depart for Beijing, they both mentioned Fu/Chai as their target to beat. Even quite confidence of this battle as their head-to-head is currently leading at 6-4 against the chinese.

I think they are too over confident, LJJ/HJM will give them a slap in the face !

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:D:D:D samuel882 ... You are correct. :)

How could LTF/LWW think of beating FHF/CY before they beat LJJ/HJM first ??? :confused:
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X Ball

08-04-2008, 09:22 PM

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:D:D:D samuel882 ... You are correct. :)

How could LTF/LWW think of beating FHF/CY before they beat LJJ/HJM first ??? :confused:
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Chris, it is very simple. If you don't see LJJ/HJM as a threat, then you speak your truth about who your threats are. Samuel is being facetious I am sure.

chris-ccc

08-04-2008, 09:46 PM

Chris, it is very simple. If you don't see LJJ/HJM as a threat, then you speak your truth about who your threats are. Samuel is being facetious I am sure.

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LTF/LWW can only play FHF/CY at the Semi-Finals, that is if LTF/LWW could beat LJJ/HJM in Round 1, and then beat either LH/AYC or TO/KM in the Quarter-Finals.

:D:D:D Whether Samuel was being facetious or not, it appeared that LTF/LWW were saying that they could win at least the Silver medal.

That's what I meant about LTF/LWW being "over confident".

:):):)
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yyclub

08-04-2008, 10:12 PM

There is only 1 winner at 1 time, I don't mind my country men/women lose but do their best. There is always someone better out there. You can be on the way home for 3min drop in form or concentration, it is one of the most punishing sport.

No one want to bet satay this round :)

Loh

08-04-2008, 10:23 PM

Loh, why do the Maths for the MAS govt?They wouldn't know how much they may actually be giving out until your free service. What if they decide to cut down the pension because of your diligence? Badminton aces deserve more govt bonus to make up for the paltry tournament earnings.(But it may turn out to be 'owed money' since BAM has been known to owe its players money.)

Becoming a badminton professional in Malaysia is now a more serious proposition for both parent and child, if the Malaysian government does not renege on its carrot for the Beijing Olympics and keeps it as the base incentive.

I don't know how far it is true, but I read an email to the effect that salaries of professionals have not increased much since 15 to 20 years ago and this is compounded by the fact that the Ringgit has depreciated in value all these years and inflation has caught up with many:

"Recently, I interviewed some fresh graduates applying for jobs with my engineering company.. I accepted two applicants on a starting salary of RM1,600. It struck me as odd that 15 years ago, I myself started work as a fresh graduate engineer for the same pay..

Indeed, if you compare the salaries of graduates now and 15 or even 20 years ago, you'll find little difference but that their purchasing power is vastly different. It's the same story when you compare salaries of shop assistants, office staff, factory workers and others."

Now if LCW gets the gold medal, he should be better off than many of his peers, even those who possess university degrees!

pjswift

08-04-2008, 11:47 PM

X Ball

08-05-2008, 01:21 AM

X Ball

08-05-2008, 01:23 AM

Becoming a badminton professional in Malaysia is now a more serious proposition for both parent and child, if the Malaysian government does not renege on its carrot for the Beijing Olympics and keeps it as the base incentive.

I don't know how far it is true, but I read an email to the effect that salaries of professionals have not increased much since 15 to 20 years ago and this is compounded by the fact that the Ringgit has depreciated in value all these years and inflation has caught up with many:

"Recently, I interviewed some fresh graduates applying for jobs with my engineering company.. I accepted two applicants on a starting salary of RM1,600. It struck me as odd that 15 years ago, I myself started work as a fresh graduate engineer for the same pay..

Indeed, if you compare the salaries of graduates now and 15 or even 20 years ago, you'll find little difference but that their purchasing power is vastly different. It's the same story when you compare salaries of shop assistants, office staff, factory workers and others."

Now if LCW gets the gold medal, he should be better off than many of his peers, even those who possess university degrees!

Fresh graduate cannot be on RM 16K, they are around RM 20K or more now, it depends what grades they get. I pay RM 2,300 as a starting pay for a fresh graduate.

X Ball

08-05-2008, 01:25 AM

Loh, there's only one LCW but many people with university degrees, that's why it makes sense for LCW to earn many times that of university graduates.In fact, graduates are now so common, it takes a lot of guts or no opportunity to not be one.
I recall how MM LKY of Spore once remarked how he could not understand a tennis player could win $1 million just by lifting a grand slam title.Well,the pay cheque was not for the 3 hours of tennis; that's the culmination of some 10 years of hard work,sacrifice,talent, determination and belief.

Neither did we understand why he paid Singapore Ministers over SGD$1M a year until he told us they can get more as CEO's of private companies.

Loh

08-05-2008, 01:51 AM

Loh, there's only one LCW but many people with university degrees, that's why it makes sense for LCW to earn many times that of university graduates.In fact, graduates are now so common, it takes a lot of guts or no opportunity to not be one.
I recall how MM LKY of Spore once remarked how he could not understand a tennis player could win $1 million just by lifting a grand slam title.Well,the pay cheque was not for the 3 hours of tennis; that's the culmination of some 10 years of hard work,sacrifice,talent, determination and belief.

Yes it is not easy to be a champion, that's why I have said if LCW gets the gold medal he deserves every dollar of it!

And the sad truth is that winning the Olympic gold comes only once in a lifetime for most athletes.

We have to wait to see what BWF can come up with in terms of tournaments, incentives and prize monies further down the road in order to attract more talents and to sustain their interest and livelihood.

yyclub

08-05-2008, 01:52 AM

X Ball, i will take the korean for MD against CTF/LWW.
How about LD vs LCW in final? I take LCW can ar?

yyclub

08-05-2008, 01:57 AM

There is 4 basic need in life. Cloths, Food, House and Transport. When you don't plan your spending, you are going to be slave forever, but that is what 95% of people are practicing. Slave forever!

drifit

08-05-2008, 02:01 AM

We have to wait to see what BWF can come up with in terms of tournaments, incentives and prize monies further down the road in order to attract more talents and to sustain their interest and livelihood.
we are talking about monies now........:D

higher prize money or incentives, need more sponsorship.
for player to have higher paycheck, need more sponsorship too.
in badminton, we can say, almost 95% depends on Yonex.
i just take an example; tennis
Maria Sharapova;
use Prince racket
wear Nike
Nike shoe too
ambassador for Canon
etc....
yearly fees of millions USD.

Loh

08-05-2008, 02:04 AM

Neither did we understand why he paid Singapore Ministers over SGD$1M a year until he told us they can get more as CEO's of private companies.

Having seen how ministers in some countries squandered their country's wealth, I can now better understand why good political leaders who are not corrupted and greedy should be more than adequately compensated! :rolleyes:

Loh

08-05-2008, 02:19 AM

Fresh graduate cannot be on RM 16K, they are around RM 20K or more now, it depends what grades they get. I pay RM 2,300 as a starting pay for a fresh graduate.

Well I believe the writer meant RM 1,600 per month as starting salary. On a per annum basis, it works out to RM 19,200 and if you add in a month or more of bonus, it should be around the figure you mentioned. :D

Granted that graduates who are lucky enough to be employed in expanding industries which are in need of their services, they would be paid more.

But the employment market has now turned more cautious in view of the bearish sentiments in the economy. Some companies are taking steps to cut down manpower. :(

X Ball

08-05-2008, 02:25 AM

X Ball, i will take the korean for MD against CTF/LWW.
How about LD vs LCW in final? I take LCW can ar?

LOL, yes you can take LCW over my dead body.:D

Koreans vs MAS is on still ?:D Where is the land of rising sun- I need to collect from you when the time comes.:D

X Ball

08-05-2008, 02:26 AM

Well I believe the writer meant RM 1,600 per month as starting salary. On a per annum basis, it works out to RM 19,200 and if you add in a month or more of bonus, it should be around the figure you mentioned. :D

Granted that graduates who are lucky enough to be employed in expanding industries which are in need of their services, they would be paid more.

But the employment market has now turned more cautious in view of the bearish sentiments in the economy. Some companies are taking steps to cut down manpower. :(

Sorry I meant RM 1.6K/month and RM 2.0K/month

yyclub

08-05-2008, 02:48 AM

LOL, yes you can take LCW over my dead body.:D

Koreans vs MAS is on still ?:D Where is the land of rising sun- I need to collect from you when the time comes.:D

This is the first time I support LCW, usually I support BCL. And I remember I win about 300 satays from someone here in HK open 07 :D
You need to book air ticket to Japan.

gemini12

08-05-2008, 03:30 AM

this time i feel LCW is well prepared and over in Malaysia we are praying that he is able to bring back a gold for Malaysia. Lets not talk about the big IF WE FAIL AGAIN.....what about if we wins......

GO FOR IT.... LCW AND WMC- be our golden couple.

GO FOR IT 2......ALL OUR DOUBLES PLAYERS

pjswift

08-05-2008, 04:21 AM

Having seen how ministers in some countries squandered their country's wealth, I can now better understand why good political leaders who are not corrupted and greedy should be more than adequately compensated! :rolleyes:
I would think the compensation of S$1M is more to attract them to political office.I wouldn't believe it makes them uncorruptible; it's just that once in, the cost of corruption and greed in Spore would be too high to even think of it.
Having said that, some of our new ministers are really worth it;our PM's the best,even better than his father. Our PM's very anti-NATO.I remember he has a policy that his team cannot talk of changes or plans unless it can be rolled out.And talk must be followed by action in one month.
Sorry,a bit off-topic.Maybe totally off-topic???

limsy

08-05-2008, 04:47 AM

hmm...if wmc and lcw grab the gold...what will happen???...

samuel882

08-05-2008, 04:51 AM

hmm...if wmc and lcw grab the gold...what will happen???...
the sun will rised from WEST:D

Loh

08-05-2008, 04:52 AM

hmm...if wmc and lcw grab the gold...what will happen???...

Another fairy tale story that has a wonderful ending ... ;)

limsy

08-05-2008, 04:53 AM

the sun will rised from WEST:D

oh...sam...u are so sure about this...hmm...maybe u need to eat the sun if they do it...

X Ball

08-05-2008, 05:49 AM

This is the first time I support LCW, usually I support BCL. And I remember I win about 300 satays from someone here in HK open 07 :D
You need to book air ticket to Japan.

No hard feelings, I will take a rain check on this bet.:D The banks would term this 'non collectible'. :D

eaglehelang

08-05-2008, 06:31 AM

Fresh graduate cannot be on RM 16K, they are around RM 20K or more now, it depends what grades they get. I pay RM 2,300 as a starting pay for a fresh graduate.
Wah, so much wan. Starting pay for most Sales jobs are between RM1,500 to RM1,800, not counting commision (KL or otherwise)

In CTF/LWW latest interview before the MAS squad depart for Beijing, they both mentioned Fu/Chai as their target to beat. Even quite confidence of this battle as their head-to-head is currently leading at 6-4 against the chinese.
I think they are too over confident, LJJ/HJM will give them a slap in the face !

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:D:D:D samuel882 ... You are correct. :)

How could LTF/LWW think of beating FHF/CY before they beat LJJ/HJM first ??? :confused:
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Hiyaaaa, CTF/LWW already answered the part abt Lee/Hwang, Luluk/Alvent or Othsuka/Masuda in earlier interviews. So, reporters got no more questions to ask, ask abt Fu/cai after that. It's not uncles over confident.

Similar like the article (same day in the Star) where Rexy talked abt Msia pairs vs Denmark pairs in later rounds, earlier interviews Rexy already answered abt Korean pairs, China pairs, Indonesia pairs, so no more to answer, therefore.....