Indonesia International Challenge 2008 [Archive] - Badminton Central Discussion Forums

Sandy

08-15-2008, 08:00 AM

I heard Sylvi is going to move to either USA or Spain... Still undecided. It was her personal choice.

Komang from Djarum will play with a player from Suryanaga. But Komang himself is still officially part of Djarum.

I am still not sure why PBSI did not send Tantowi-Yulianti to play in this tournament... Are they injured or are they just merely training for Taipei Open? :confused:

Thank's for the info
I thaught Sylvinna got injury again, it's pity she can't play in her hometown.
If She got to Spain, she follows Hendri W,
if go to USA follows ? Smashie ?
We prefer to she keep stay in Djarum.

Komang Sandy will paired with Ade Riyadi, ex Djarum too.

Jagdpanther

08-16-2008, 12:11 PM

Time to nurture young players.
For 2012 sake!

badMania

08-16-2008, 01:59 PM

Fran Kurniawan/Shendy Puspa Irawati to win the XD! They have the potential to be INA top future XD pair beside Tantowi Ahmad/Yulianti and Mohd Rijal/Greysia Polii.

Meiliana Jauhari/Shendy Puspa Irawati to win the WD!

Andre Kurniawan will have a fighting chance to win the MS!

Maria Elfira Christina also has a similar chance to win the WS!

Fran Kurniawan/Rendra Wijaya or Fernando Kurniawan/Lingga Lie to win the MD.

Krisna

08-17-2008, 02:43 AM

I agree with badMania that these guys all have a very good chance to dominate Indonesia Challenge this year... :)

badMania

08-17-2008, 11:13 PM

Attention will now turn to the INA Int. Challenge 2008.

As I posted, PB Djarum has a chance to win some more titles here. Looking forward to the Draw, probably announced this week.

Sandy

08-19-2008, 01:12 AM

Seeding

Women Single
1 Hirayama YU JPN 17
2 Maria Elfira Christina INA 39
3 Maria Febe K. INA 94
4 Kim Moon Hi KOR 95
5 Rahmawaty wenny FRA 109
6 Bae Youn Joo KOR 110
7 Rosaria Yusfin Pungkasari INA 119
8 Yuan Kartika Putri INA 134

Women Doubles
1 Meiliana Jauhari INA/Shendy Puspa Irawati INA 22
2 Sari Shinta Mulia SIN/Yao Lei SIN 46
3 Liu Fan Frances SIN/Neo Yu Yan Vanesa SIN 62
4 Hsieh Pei Chen TPE/Lee Tai An TPE 63

Men Singles
1 Andre Kurniawan Tedjono INA 31
2 Tago Kenichi JPN 36
3 Ari Yuli Wahyu Hartanto INA 62
4 Hong Ji Hoon KOR 63
5 Parupali kashyap IND 69
6 Maunoury Simon FRA 87
7 Leverdes Brice FRA 93
8 Dionysius Hayom Rumbaka INA 117
9 Indra Bagus Ade Chandra INA 136
10 Lo Ying Ping Mathieu FRA 153
11 Andreas Adityawarman INA 160
12 Shon Wan Ho INA 165
13 Avihingsanon Suppanyau THA 171
14 Duong Phuong Nam VIE 177
15 Shis Kuei Chun TPE 179
16 Sartono Eko P. INA 192

Men Doubles
1 Fran Kurniawan INA/Rendra Wijaya INA 27
2 Kwon Yi Goo KOR/Ko Sung Hyun KOR 37
3 Yoo Seong Yeon KOR/Cho Gun Woo KOR 52
4 Afiat Yuris Wirawan INA/Wifqi Windarto INA 70
5 Thomas Sanave IND 56/Valiyaveetl Diju IND 65
6 Kumar Rupesh KT IND 56/Dwalkar Akshay IND 65
7 Fernando Kurniawan INA/Lingga Lie INA 73
8 Chrisnanta Danny Bawa SIN/Triyachart Chayut SIN 81

Mixed Doubles
1 Fran Kurniawan INA/Shendy Puspa Irawati INA 34
2 Rendra Wijaya INA/Meiliana Jauhari INA 84
3 Viki Indra Okvana INA/Richi Puspita Deli INA 118
4 Muhd Azin bin latib SIN/Siti noor ashikin leman SIN 129
5 Yoo Yeon Seong KOR 28/Jang Ye Na KOR
6 Triyachart Chayut SIN 55/Yao Lei SIN 85
7 Chrinanta danny bawa SIN 88/Sari Shinta Mulia SIN 55
8 Yeo Zhao jiang Terry SIN/Liu Fan Frances SIN 168

Sorry a lot of typo from the official website

badMania

08-19-2008, 04:39 AM

Sorry a lot of typo from the official website

Where's the official website??

Sandy

08-19-2008, 04:44 AM

Where's the official website??

http://www.pbsijatim.org/web/

samuel882

08-19-2008, 05:48 AM

This tournament is too BIG for the WS OG bronze medalist ??

Krisna

08-19-2008, 10:12 AM

INA's 1st team has to prepare for the Chinese Taipei Open and Japan Open etc... :)

huangkwokhau

08-19-2008, 10:23 AM

The draw is out already..I do not know how to copy/paste.....sorry

huangkwokhau

08-19-2008, 10:29 AM

In WS:

Yu Hirayama vs Siti Anida
Maria Febe vs Chanida ( Thai)
Rosaria vs Nitchaon ( Thai)
Kim Moon Hi vs Melicia Kurniawan
Maria Elfira vs Chie Umezu ( tough one)

Andre vs Robin Gonansa ( SIN)
Brice ( FRA) vs Ade Riyadi
Eko sartono vs Hendri Aprilianto
Hong Ji Hoon vs Ryo He
Kashyap vs Engga Setiawan
Adit vs Ng Rong Zen ( SIN)
Ari Wahyu vs Dao Manh Tang ( VIE)
Tago vs Heri Setiawan

Sealman

08-19-2008, 10:31 PM

Is this a Satellite tournament?

PlayaFromMalaya

08-20-2008, 12:27 AM

its an international challenge..

george@chongwei

08-20-2008, 02:17 AM

u can find the draw and livescore here>> http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/tournament.aspx?id=23693

Sandy

08-20-2008, 02:36 AM

This tournament is too BIG for the WS OG bronze medalist ??

These Marias are Maria Elfira & Maria Febe, not Maria Kristin

Krisna

08-20-2008, 10:18 AM

In WS:

Yu Hirayama vs Siti Anida

Have any of you seen Siti? She's cute! With enough makeup, she can compete in the Miss Indonesia competition... ;) Her dad is Mr. Tutang, a member of the winning INA Thomas Cup team [1958 and ...maybe 1962 too, not sure]... INA's #2 MD at that time... :cool: And yes yes, she's a bit too young to be his daughter. He married late, really late... ;)

These Marias are Maria Elfira & Maria Febe, not Maria Kristin

Yup, PB Djarum has triple the triple Maria-s: Maria Kristin [Djarum #1], Maria Elfira [Djarum #2], and Maria Febe [Djarum #3]...
Among the three...
Maria Kristin has the best shot-making technique
Maria Elfira has the best endurance and stamina
Maria Febe has the best footwork
:p

Krisna

08-22-2008, 02:33 AM

Have any of you seen Siti? She's cute! With enough makeup, she can compete in the Miss Indonesia competition... ;) Her dad is Mr. Tutang, a member of the winning INA Thomas Cup team [1958 and ...maybe 1962 too, not sure]... INA's #2 MD at that time... :cool: And yes yes, she's a bit too young to be his daughter. He married late, really late... ;):p

Oh, I just checked, Siti Anida's father, Pak Tutang was part of INA Thomas Cup team that won the Cup in 1964. Not 1958 or 1961 as I previously thought. He partnered with Ferry Sonneville as INA's #2 MD. His usual partner was Pak Unang. Unang-Tutang were pretty famous in the 1960s... ;)

baldybodhi

08-22-2008, 10:46 PM

Oh, I just checked, Siti Anida's father, Pak Tutang was part of INA Thomas Cup team that won the Cup in 1964. Not 1958 or 1961 as I previously thought. He partnered with Ferry Sonneville as INA's #2 MD. His usual partner was Pak Unang. Unang-Tutang were pretty famous in the 1960s... ;)

That's what i'd told before..
We called her as Dea. And she's not yet 18 years old but she has 175 cm height. We also called her, Siti "Sharaphova" Annida. Not just because she has tallest body among the other junior player but good looking as a "model" too. She's from Bandung (West Java).

Krisna

08-22-2008, 11:31 PM

That's what i'd told before..
We called her as Dea. And she's not yet 18 years old but she has 175 cm height. We also called her, Siti "Sharaphova" Annida. Not just because she has tallest body among the other junior player but good looking as a "model" too. She's from Bandung (West Java).

You should post her picture... :cool:

ssertere

08-25-2008, 01:58 AM

Wow 100+ match in a day, lucky for Surabaya spectators

Krisna

08-25-2008, 06:36 AM

Wow 100+ match in a day, lucky for Surabaya spectators

They like 'value for money' deals in Surabaya... ;)

badMania

08-25-2008, 09:54 AM

They like 'value for money' deals in Surabaya... ;)

Certainly.....:D
Are u going to watch any of the events? Too bad, I am flying off to Europe tomorrow midnight and will come back only on Sunday, so, will miss most of the actions :mad:

Krisna

08-25-2008, 10:13 AM

Certainly.....:D
Are u going to watch any of the events? Too bad, I am flying off to Europe tomorrow midnight and will come back only on Sunday, so, will miss most of the actions :mad:

Oh yes, you're from Surabaya eh? Ha ha. :) I plan to be there strating from the quarterfinals onwards... :D

badMania

08-25-2008, 11:16 AM

Oh yes, you're from Surabaya eh? Ha ha. :) I plan to be there strating from the quarterfinals onwards... :D

Wrong..hehe....my mom is...but not my family ;)

yannie

08-25-2008, 12:45 PM

Fendi Iwanto (Djarum), back from Chile

It's Peru.. Hehehe..

yannie

08-25-2008, 12:45 PM

No more fundings to BAM after the Olympics...? :p BAM has to deliver lots of gold to receive more fundings... ;)

BAM always says they don't have money. Not sending MJs to Taiwan and Thai opens too... Except for maybe TCS and Arif.

Cannot_smash

08-25-2008, 10:34 PM

any results update???

ssertere

08-26-2008, 12:35 AM

Ags 26th Rany Christina INA 21 12 21
VS Chang Pei Shin CHN 15 21 17

from http://www.pbsijatim.org/web/.
already more than 30matches, according to the schedule, finish, but only 1 displayed, and it says Chang Pei Shin form CHN ??? It should be TPE.

I think tournamentsoftware don't show live result.

KlasseE

08-26-2008, 01:09 AM

latest results
ms (http://pbsijatim.org/challenge/day2/MS.htm)
ws (http://pbsijatim.org/challenge/day2/WS.htm)
xd (http://pbsijatim.org/challenge/day2/XD.htm)

ssertere

08-26-2008, 01:53 AM

latest results
ms (http://pbsijatim.org/challenge/day2/MS.htm)
ws (http://pbsijatim.org/challenge/day2/WS.htm)
xd (http://pbsijatim.org/challenge/day2/XD.htm)

ThankQ... a lot of WO by Indonesian player ??

KlasseE

08-26-2008, 01:58 AM

ThankQ... a lot of WO by Indonesian player ??

yeah..... but dunno why???

Krisna

08-26-2008, 02:35 AM

BAM always says they don't have money. Not sending MJs to Taiwan and Thai opens too... Except for maybe TCS and Arif.

PBSI not only said they didn't have money, they really didn't have money... :o:p:o From what I know, BAM has way better funding than PBSI... ;)

badMania

08-26-2008, 02:59 AM

PBSI not only said they didn't have money, they really didn't have money... :o:p:o From what I know, BAM has way better funding than PBSI... ;)

Strange that those local players already registered ended up not even showing up :eek: Shameful....

However, Hirayama Yu's withdrawal also means that Maria Elfira Christina has a very good chance of winning the WS title. She just beat Chie Emezu convincingly in the first round. She should beat Lindaweni Fanetri in the next round.

Maria Febe Kusumastuti [3/4] also won in straight sets today, and will face a veteran player, Yuli Marfuah in R16.

Only 4 non-INA players are left in the WS Draw:
Bae Youn Joo [5/8] to face Febby Angguni
Kim Moon Hi [3/4] to face Alfa Vivianita
Chen Hsiao-Huan likely to be eliminated by Rosaria Yusfin Pungkasari [9/16]
and Leena Tirapongpatana, likely to be elminated by Yuan Kartika Putri [5/8]

badMania

08-26-2008, 03:04 AM

A few minor upsets in the XD as Cho Gun Wo (WJC winner with Lee Yong Dae)/Choi Ha Na lost to Angga Pratama/Anneke Feinya Agustine, and Chen Chung-Jen/Lee Tai An lost to another local pair Yohanes Rendy Sugiarto/Komala Dewi. I earlier predicted those foreign pairs will face Rendra Wijaya/Meiliana Jauhari [2] in R16 and QF respectively.

Krisna

08-26-2008, 03:22 AM

Yu Hirayama withdrew or something? Siti "Sharapova" Anida Lestari [no relations to Playboy Centerfold Tiara Lestari] is through to the next round... :D

The familiar INA names are also through to the Round of 16...
Febby Angguni
Bellaetrix Manuputty
Lindaweni Fanetri
Maria Febe Kusumastuti
Rosaria Yusfin Pungkasari
Maria Elfira Christina
Yuan Kartika Putri

Only 4 non-INA left... in the WS Round of 16...

limsy

08-26-2008, 04:52 AM

hmmp,any latest result???

Jagdpanther

08-26-2008, 06:19 AM

Tournamentsoftware hasn't updated the result yet. What happened?

Krisna

08-26-2008, 06:34 AM

I heard Andre Kurniawan has defeated the Singaporean.

badMania

08-26-2008, 06:35 AM

Tournamentsoftware hasn't updated the result yet. What happened?

Matches up to the afternoon had been updated on the tournamentsoftware.com.

badMania

08-26-2008, 06:36 AM

I heard Andre Kurniawan has defeated the Singaporean.

Yup....he won in straight-sets.

Krisna

08-26-2008, 06:41 AM

The only upset in MS so far today is:
Ade Riyadi (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=23693&player=51)http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=23693&c=INA)-http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/FRA.gif[FRA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=23693&c=FRA)Leverdez Brice [5/8] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=23693&player=7)15-21 25-23 21-18

All other seeded players seem to be fine...

badMania

08-26-2008, 06:45 AM

R32 Matchups, with predicted winners in bold:
Andre Kurniawan Tedjono [1] vs Nguyen Ngoc Tung
Shih Kuei Chun [9/16] vs Shin Baek Cheol
Ade Riyadi vs Ahmad Rivai
Indra Bagus Ade Chandra [9/16] vs Yoga Pratama
Hong Ji Hoon [3/4] vs Senatria Agus Setia Putra
Eko Sartono Pranoto [9/16] vs Sakti Kusuma
Engga Setiawan vs Bandar Sigit Pamungkas
Lo Ying Ping Mathieu [9/16] vs Randy Sulistya Saputra
Arif Nandang Saputra vs Andreas Adityawarman [9/16]
Adnan Fauzi vs Simon Maunoury [5/8] -- might be a small upset here
Ashley Moss vs Shon Wan Ho[9/16]
Wisnu Haryo Putro vs Ari Yuli Wahyu Hartanto [3/4]
Agus Setiawan vs Suppanyu Avihingsanon [9/16]
Kim Sa Rang vs Dionysius Hayom Rumbaka [5/8] -- a tough one for Hayom...let's see if he can fulfill his seeding
Ardiansyah Putra vs Phuong Nam Duong [9/16] -- might be an upset also
Andi Nugroho Saputro vs Kenichi Tago [2] -- also a tough one for Andi

Jagdpanther

08-26-2008, 07:44 AM

PBSI not only said they didn't have money, they really didn't have money... :o:p:o
Despite this shameful fact, our shuttlers have always been contributing Olympics gold medals for Indonesia!
BELIEVE IT OR NOT!:D:D:D

Jagdpanther

08-26-2008, 08:12 AM

Saw Trikus Haryanto, Bambang Suprianto, and Indarti Issolina amongst the participants.
Wow. Old soldiers never die, they say.

Krisna

08-26-2008, 09:56 AM

Despite this shameful fact, our shuttlers have always been contributing Olympics gold medals for Indonesia!
BELIEVE IT OR NOT!:D:D:D

It is not shameful to not have enough money for badminton... :p Most of the BWF member-countries are also not well funded. Government not funding badminton is a fact of life for 80% of them maybe... :p And don't hope for too much in the future, our government has to prioritize fuel subsidies and other basic citizen needs first... ;)

Jagdpanther

08-26-2008, 07:40 PM

It is not shameful to not have enough money for badminton... :p
For a country called 'one of badminton powerhouses,' don't you think it's kinda...shameful?
Compare us to Malaysia, China, and S. Korea...

Sandy

08-26-2008, 08:31 PM

Pic of Siti Anida

Sandy

08-26-2008, 08:35 PM

The picture is taken of scanning from the newspaper, not sharp image

tehsham

08-26-2008, 08:49 PM

The picture is taken of scanning from the newspaper, not sharp image
Thanks Sandy...now I understand the Sharapova title...looking forward for her photos in here

Jagdpanther

08-26-2008, 09:15 PM

Hmm, some matches should've ended by now...

Krisna

08-26-2008, 11:39 PM

For a country called 'one of badminton powerhouses,' don't you think it's kinda...shameful?
Compare us to Malaysia, China, and S. Korea...

We have always been a badminton powerhouse with limited financial resources... ;) I don't consider it shameful to be underfunded because it is not immoral, not unethical, nor is it a sign of our badminton incompetence... ;)

Krisna

08-26-2008, 11:44 PM

Pic of Siti Anida

See what I mean... :) Siti can compete in the Miss Indonesia competition... ;) She's an Indonesian-teenage-cutie... ;) She is about half my age... About the same age difference as her father and mother... :D :D :D

In case I can't get Reiko, I should just concentrate locally... :D

Krisna

08-26-2008, 11:50 PM

Hmm, some matches should've ended by now...

Top 2 seeds in XD: Fran-Shendy and Rendra-Mel are through to the next round. Hey, what happened to Trikus-Yunita? The stopped in the middle of game two against Rizky-Debby...

Andre defeated Nguyen... :cool:

Sandy

08-27-2008, 12:56 AM

big upset

Nugroho Andi Saputro [INA] d [JPN] Tago Kenichi [2] 17-21 21-10 21-14

ssertere

08-27-2008, 01:16 AM

big upset

Nugroho Andi Saputro [INA] d [JPN] Tago Kenichi [2] 17-21 21-10 21-14

Kenichi too underestimate his opponent??

Sandy

08-27-2008, 01:27 AM

Kenichi too underestimate his opponent??

I thaught 2 NAS (Nugroho Andi Saputro and Nandang Arif Saputra) are INA MS future hope.

Watching INA MS performance in IO 2008, I don't have big expectation in the future (has future top-10 players after Simon)
Mostly players played in "safe" style, defensive and waiting the opponent made error (Tommy, Alamsyah & Bagus)
Another style is Offensive but a lot of unforced error (Andre, Adit & Bandar)

PBSI has to search other younger talent from Pelatnas Pratama (2 NAS) and clubs like as Hayom Rumbaka.

In WS I put the hope on Maria Febe.

ssertere

08-27-2008, 02:29 AM

tournamentsoftware quite responsive, today.

abesadi

08-27-2008, 03:38 AM

How old nandang n nugroho right now?

Sandy

08-27-2008, 03:48 AM

How old nandang n nugroho right now?

born in 1989, around 19 y.o

Krisna

08-27-2008, 05:35 AM

I thaught 2 NAS (Nugroho Andi Saputro and Nandang Arif Saputra) are INA MS future hope.

Mostly players played in "safe" style, defensive and waiting the opponent made error (Tommy, Alamsyah & Bagus)
Another style is Offensive but a lot of unforced error (Andre, Adit & Bandar)

Nugroho Andi Saputro have a highly offensive-power gameplay... with little defense... :p :D Hayom is has a more balanced play... ;) I thought Nandang Arif is pretty balanced, just not enough fire-power... :o

george@chongwei

08-27-2008, 07:19 AM

wth happen to kenichi tago??

Jagdpanther

08-27-2008, 08:42 AM

Well, he lost. The biggest upset so far, I think.

Jagdpanther

08-27-2008, 09:10 AM

Some upsets:
1. Rio Willianto/Davin Pradwissa bt [5/8] seed Chayut Triyachart/Danny Bawa of Thailand/Indonesia, er, I mean Singapore, :p 21-17 21-19
2. Chrisna Adi Wijaya/Syahmie Syarif Radhitian bt 2nd seed, Ko Sung-hyun/Kwon Yi-Goo of Korea Rep., 14-21 21-19 21-18

Hmm, bright future for INA MDs?:)

And may I ask, what [5/8] seed means?:confused:

ctjcad

08-27-2008, 09:14 AM

...
And may I ask, what [5/8] seed means?:confused:
..the seeding of that particular player or pair in a particular tourney (e.g. [5/8] means seeded 5th out of 8 seeds)...;)

Jagdpanther

08-27-2008, 10:10 AM

Korea's Cho Gun-woo/Yoo Yeong-seong is the [3/4] seed, while Indonesia's Lingga Lie/Fernando Kurniawan is [5/8].

So, mathematically, the Korean pair is [6/8] seed?:confused:

huangkwokhau

08-27-2008, 10:17 AM

Jagdpanther

08-27-2008, 10:30 AM

If Lingga/Fernando can stop the Korean pair tomorrow, it'll be all INA affair in MD.
Best of luck for them all!:)

robin7

08-27-2008, 10:39 AM

And may I ask, what [5/8] seed means?:confused:
Normally, we have 2 players/pairs seeded [3/4], 4 players/pairs seeded [5/8], 8 players/pairs seeded [9/16] in each event. Click here (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/seeds.aspx?id=23693) for more detailed examples.

Instead of [3/4], some tourneys assign [3] and [4]. E.g. BCL & CJ were seeded [3] & [4] respectively in AE2008 but both BCL & CJ were seeded [3/4] in OG2008.

Likewise, some tourneys group seeds [9] to [16] into [9/16]. Hence, u'll see 8 players/pairs seeded [9/16].

So, mathematically, the Korean pair is [6/8] seed?:confused:

Note: There is no such things as [6/8].

Krisna

08-27-2008, 12:05 PM

I have mentioned in the past that Chrisna is the one to watch.....

Yes, you have. And you're not wrong.

If Lingga/Fernando can stop the Korean pair tomorrow, it'll be all INA affair in MD.
Best of luck for them all!:)

The Koreans will have a 55% chance of winning... :)

harimau

08-27-2008, 12:15 PM

See what I mean... :) Siti can compete in the Miss Indonesia competition... ;) She's an Indonesian-teenage-cutie... ;) She is about half my age... About the same age difference as her father and mother... :D :D :D

In case I can't get Reiko, I should just concentrate locally... :D

Come on Krisna, i think you are being too humbled. You are just not confidence !! I believe you can get any one you want if you put up a genuine effort and heart to it .lol ;)

CLELY

08-28-2008, 02:25 AM

Local shuttlers really dominate this int.challenge tourney, all top seeding players still advance so far until quarterfinal except WS due to Japanese Yu Hirayama walkover.

badMania

08-28-2008, 02:25 AM

Logging on from Athens now....

Nice to see Adi Chrisna Wijaya/Syahmie Syarif Radhitian beating Kwon Yi Goo/Ko Sung Hyun [2] (also a rising pair from Korea) in rubber-sets yesterday. Our young INA pair has a bright future. So, Hau-Ge is right in his comments ;)

The match between Cho Gun Woo/Yoo Yeon Seong [3/4] and Fernando Kurniawan/Lingga Lie [5/8] will also be interesting. I agree with Krisna that the Korean pair has the slight edge.

CLELY

08-28-2008, 08:13 AM

Hmm, the good-look Siti Anida lost to Thailand player with straight sets, 19-21 ; 18-21. And Viki Indra/Dili Puspita was eliminated by SIN pair Triyachart Chayut/Yao Lei, 14-21 ; 11-21.

robin7

08-28-2008, 09:35 AM

Rizki Amelia Pradipta http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif - http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif Maria Elfira Christina [2] 21-19 12-21 21-19

abesadi

08-28-2008, 10:20 AM

What happen with maria elfira? Why she lost the game?

Jagdpanther

08-28-2008, 10:34 AM

Hmmm, too bad Lingga/Fernando and Chrisna/Syahmie failed to continue the surprise...

CLELY

08-29-2008, 01:35 AM

INA secures one title so far as 4 MS home players fill semifinal slots today, Andre K.Tedjono >< Bandar Sigit and Ari Yuli Wahyu >< Dionysius.

Interesting MD match, top-seed Rendra/Fran will face Korean young talent Cho Gun Woo/Yoo Yeon Seong.

abesadi

08-29-2008, 01:56 AM

Go Bandar! Win the game! Give a big upset this night!
Bandar, kamu BISA!!

Jagdpanther

08-29-2008, 10:36 AM

Finals:

MS: Andre KT (INA) vs Ari YW (INA)
MD: Rendra Wijaya/Fran Kurniawan (INA) vs Wifqi Windarto/Afiat YW (INA)
WS: Bae Youn-joo (KOR) vs Rosaria YP (INA)
WD: Shendy PI/Meiliana Jauhari (INA) vs Chayut Triyachart/Shinta MS (SIN)
XD: Fran Kurniawan/Shendy PI (INA) vs Yao Lei/Shinta MS (SIN)

harimau

08-29-2008, 11:18 AM

Sandy

08-29-2008, 11:25 AM

BTW, is Ari YW from Tangkas Club who is only about 16 - 17 year old ?

no, Ari Yuli is from Djarum, same generation with Andre Kurniawan

huangkwokhau

08-29-2008, 03:55 PM

Again ...PBSI has to rely Djarum Club in this event......

CLELY

08-30-2008, 12:34 AM

Krisna

08-30-2008, 04:17 AM

What happen with maria elfira? Why she lost the game?

Maria Elfira became afraid in the last game... Her shots became tentative and not sharp. Rizki Amelia took advantage and attacked agressively. ;) But the day after Rizki's upset, Rosaria Pipin Pungkasari, a clubmate of Fira took care of Rizki briskly... :p

Interesting MD match, top-seed Rendra/Fran will face Korean young talent Cho Gun Woo/Yoo Yeon Seong.

That Fran-Rendra match was wonderful to watch. 1 hour long and Rendra was so energized all-match long... :p They basically stuck to their gameplan to make it difficult for the Koreans to use their explosive smashes... in the end, our INA pair won the day through execution... :)

Krisna

08-30-2008, 04:27 AM

Let's see whether INA young players would grab all titles at its home challenger tournament...Tough challenge for Rosaria Yusfin to face Korean talent Bae Youn Joo who has eliminated 3 INA WS en route to finale.

I hope both Pipin and Wahyu will win today. They need their 1st International title to boost their self confidence [and ambition]... :)

Pipin has a 50% chance of winning against Bae, the Korean leftie... Bae's weapon seems to be just her strong smash... :p

Krisna

08-30-2008, 04:36 AM

BTW, is Ari YW from Tangkas Club who is only about 16 - 17 year old ?

no, Ari Yuli is from Djarum, same generation with Andre Kurniawan

Maybe Harimau was talking about Evert Sukamta [seed 5/8] from PB. Tangkas Alfamart. He is one of the most well known player from Tangkas who is around 16 - 17... Evert lost in the Under-19 quarterfinals to Gary of PB. Djarum yesterday afternoon... In addition to Evert, PB. Tangkas Alfamart also have this tournament's #1 seed: Ary Trisnanto.

abesadi

08-30-2008, 07:44 AM

Hore.. Frans/Shendy win!! Nice job.. Hope they can win in MD and WD too..

harimau

08-30-2008, 09:28 AM

Maybe Harimau was talking about Evert Sukamta [seed 5/8] from PB. Tangkas Alfamart. He is one of the most well known player from Tangkas who is around 16 - 17... Evert lost in the Under-19 quarterfinals to Gary of PB. Djarum yesterday afternoon... In addition to Evert, PB. Tangkas Alfamart also have this tournament's #1 seed: Ary Trisnanto.

Thanks so much for clarifying this. I think the Ary i meant must be the Trisnanto who is from Tangkas cause i saw him play when he was so young. But from what i saw, the kid has so much talent already and very quick,explosive,and powerful for a skinny boy at that time. My son was trying out the training program at Tangkas and happened to be in the same age group with Ary. Oh boy that kid is so good already at that time.

Jagdpanther

08-30-2008, 10:08 AM

Overall, it's a good day for Indonesia, having won 4 of 5 finals.
Surprising enough, all matches were finished in straight sets.

So, here are the winners. Congrats to them all!

MS: Andre KT
MD: Rendra Wijaya/Fran Kurniawan
WS: Bae Youn-joo
WS: Shendy PI/Meiliana Jauhari
XD: Fran Kurniawan/Shendy PI

Indonesia has very good depth in MD, relatively safe in WS, WD, and XD, but I find it a little scarce in MS...

Krisna

08-30-2008, 02:57 PM

Indonesia has very good depth in MD, relatively safe in WS, WD, and XD, but I find it a little scarce in MS...

We shall see about that in the up and coming:
Bittburger Open GP
Bulgaria Open GP
Dutch Open GP
;)

I thought our MS did very very well in this tournament... that included Kenichi Tago of Japan and Hong Ji Hoon of Korea... by the semifinals, all of these good non-INA players were eliminated... :p

CLELY

08-30-2008, 10:27 PM

We shall see about that in the up and coming:
Bittburger Open GP
Bulgaria Open GP
Dutch Open GP
;)
I thought our MS did very very well in this tournament... that included Kenichi Tago of Japan and Hong Ji Hoon of Korea... by the semifinals, all of these good non-INA players were eliminated... :p

Yeah, INA MS has shown good prospect in this tourney, need more competition such as next GP tourneys.

INA almost did white wash here, except Rosaria 'Pipin' lost to Bae Youn Joo as the longest final match yesterday despite all 5 matches were finished by straight sets.

Krisna

08-31-2008, 01:51 AM

INA almost did white wash here, except Rosaria 'Pipin' lost to Bae Youn Joo as the longest final match yesterday despite all 5 matches were finished by straight sets.

My friend who was watching the Pipin vs. Bae match said that even though they are technically comparable, Bae controlled most of the match and Pipin rarely made take the point winning-initiative.... :p

Jagdpanther

08-31-2008, 03:48 AM

We shall see about that in the up and coming:
I thought our MS did very very well in this tournament... that included Kenichi Tago of Japan and Hong Ji Hoon of Korea... by the semifinals, all of these good non-INA players were eliminated... :p
Well, for years, INA Top 3 MS have always been occupied by Taufik, Sony, and Simon.
That fact explains how slow the regeneration in INA MS is, really.:rolleyes:

Krisna

09-01-2008, 07:14 AM

Well, for years, INA Top 3 MS have always been occupied by Taufik, Sony, and Simon.
That fact explains how slow the regeneration in INA MS is, really.

Top 3 MS occupied by the same 3 names??? Since around Sept 2004, that's pretty much comparable to...
DEN: Peter, Kenneth, Joachim
MAS: LCW, Hafiz, WCH
KOR: LHI, PSW, SSM ...(for the most part) :p
CHN: Lin, Bao, Chen ...(they just switched Chen-s, from Chen Hong to Chen Jin...:D)

Jagdpanther

09-01-2008, 07:53 AM

Top 3 MS occupied by the same 3 names??? Since around Sept 2004, that's pretty much comparable to...
DEN: Peter, Kenneth, Joachim
MAS: LCW, Hafiz, WCH
KOR: LHI, PSW, SSM ...(for the most part) :p
CHN: Lin, Bao, Chen ...(they just switched Chen-s, from Chen Hong to Chen Jin...:D)
To be the champion, we need to 'Berani tampil beda,' Sire.;)

chemile

09-01-2008, 08:59 AM

To be the champion, we need to 'Berani tampil beda,' Sire.;)

I think what Jagdpanther means is the regeneration below those 3 players. I think MAS MS have Tan Chung Seang, and another youngsters and MAS encourage to send them to many international tournaments. CHN have Lu Yi, Gong Weijie. I think we must watch seriously from THA as well. INA have also young players, but most of them are mediocre, nothing special such as Simon, Sony, and TH which have shown their special skills in young age. Tommy, Andreas, Ari Yuli, or even Bandar, have not shown special skills up to now, I have no idea, is that because their talents or because something wrong with the training?

Krisna

09-02-2008, 03:53 AM

To be the champion, we need to 'Berani tampil beda,' Sire.;)

Ha ha ha, no need to be 'different' in order to be the champion......just be better lah. This is sports, not Holywood... :p

Jagdpanther

09-03-2008, 06:49 AM

Ha ha ha, no need to be 'different' in order to be the champion......just be better lah. This is sports, not Holywood... :p

"Oh, other countries are also lacking good MS juniors. So we can sit back and relax, because we share the same problem."
We can never progress if we have this mindset.:cool:

Krisna

09-03-2008, 11:51 AM

"Oh, other countries are also lacking good MS juniors. So we can sit back and relax, because we share the same problem."
We can never progress if we have this mindset.:cool:

So Jagdpanther, tell us what have you done lately to strengthen the MS department of INA badminton? Or what should we do?

Jagdpanther

09-03-2008, 02:54 PM

Directly? I'm afraid, still none.
I'm terribly sorry if my comments irritate you (somehow, I think you are). However, I simply stated my mind, my hope. Is it wrong?:(
Yes, I know they're NATO stuffs at most. But this is the only way I know.
If only those PBSI officials knew this site and read my/our comments.
Just like those demonstrators voicing their demands, hoping that those higher-ups will hear their voice. Do they have the power to change things directly?
I presume what you mean by 'strengthening the MS department of INA badminton' is something like becoming a full-fledged badminton player or becoming a PBSI official...

Indirectly...

You can help me by telling me, a young, not-so-patriotic Indonesian, an example of what I should do...
Perhaps, rushing to PBSI head office and kick those blind, incompetent officials' butts?:) Or organize a movement to oust them?;)

For now? :confused:
Keep being a good INA fan and support our team and players, regardless of the eventual result. Many pro players don't just play for money, but for the appreciation of the fans despite glory and defeats.
Keep playing amateur badminton, thus keeping the game alive at the local grassroot level.
Get your friends to play too... ;) The more the better.
Play against other badminton clubs / group of friends.
Participate in local tournaments if you have time. :) Ask your friends to join too. It's fun.The things I listed above are the very foundation of INA badminton at its zenith. These building blocks are now crumbling in many provinces and counties. Many in PBSI management does not understand / just choose to ignore the foundations of foundations... :(

Despite the ignorance and blind misperceptions of some PBSI officials, we as fans should not look the other way whenever there are obstacles. That's not true love! Whoever truly loves INA badminton, should not ignore what's fundamental for INA badminton. Being an active amateur and fan is a contribution. Participating in organizing local badminton tournaments would be even better. :)

Here's how the INA badminton positive cycle works:
When the grassroot badminton movement is huge, the badminton business itself will be huge.
When the badminton business is huge, the prize money, sponsorship, public attention, fan adulation will all be huge.
When the prize money, sponsorship, attention, and adulation are huge, more talented youngsters will choose badminton as an occupation/career and really want deliver glory [for INA, for himself, for fans, for the sponsors, etc.] and many parents will be supportive [unlike now].
When many talented youngsters step forward and fully supported by their parents, we are bound to see many big-time winners from INA... [just like in the 1970s]If the grassroot level [step 1] is not strong, then we shall see step 2, 3, 4 crumbling... :o

To some extent, I've done all 5 things you told me to do, Sire. Including taking part in some tournaments (please don't ask the result:p).
I'll be more than happy if you can tell me more.:)

Krisna

09-04-2008, 02:26 AM

"Oh, other countries are also lacking good MS juniors. So we can sit back and relax, because we share the same problem."
We can never progress if we have this mindset.:cool:

This comment that respond directly to my comments irritate me... It implies that I just sit back and relax and have that kind of mindset. I happen to love INA and INA badminton a lot. So much that I am doing a lot of things and invest a lot of funds, time, and energy for it. I'm a practicioner of "ask not what your country can do for you, ...ask what you can do for your country"...

Directly? I'm afraid, still none.
I'm terribly sorry if my comments irritate you (somehow, I think you are). However, I simply stated my mind, my hope. Is it wrong?:(
Yes, I know they're NATO stuffs at most. But this is the only way I know.

If only those PBSI officials knew this site and read my/our comments.
Just like those demonstrators voicing their demands, hoping that those higher-ups will hear their voice. Do they have the power to change things directly?

Demonstrations are [for the most part] inferior tactics... Dialogue is more effective. But you have to be someone credible to even be invited to a relevant dialogue... In order to be taken seriously, I suggest that you keep building up your credibility in INA badminton.

Indirectly...

To some extent, I've done all 5 things you told me to do, Sire. Including taking part in some tournaments (please don't ask the result:p).
I'll be more than happy if you can tell me more.:)

I don't know how young you are... so if you're still in school... go study well until you're very well educated... Sharpen your mind and enhance your skill so that you will not be a loser in life. If you've started working, then work well...

My point is: be a productive INA citizen ...who have time and funds to spare for badminton... if you're poor, you're not very useful for INA badminton development. :o Any form of money you spend for shuttlecock, shoes, rackets, court-rental, coaching-fees, etc. are helpful for the overall INA badminton business growth. [I see this as directly helping INA badminton]

If the INA badminton business is strong, the sponsorship and prize money will be bigger and more future very talented players will be attracted to become an excellent badminton player [because the rewards are bigger]... Without enough money, the future potential stars won't choose badminton as a career, and thus we loose more opportunity to see great INA MS players etc...

We can't blame anyone for wanting a brighter tomorrow... our first task, in my opinion, is to ensure our own bright future, if we're well on our way to the right direction, then we can [directly or indirectly] bring others to also have a bright future...

badMania

09-04-2008, 04:17 AM

Well-said (as always) by Krisna :)

Jagdpanther

09-04-2008, 04:19 AM

Pretty much understandable, Sire. Thank you very much for your answer.:)

However, there are things I'd like to clarify...
No, I never intended to mock your comments. I never said 'we' were 'you.' Rather than you personally, my comment was directed into this fact you provided...

Top 3 MS occupied by the same 3 names??? Since around Sept 2004, that's pretty much comparable to...
DEN: Peter, Kenneth, Joachim
MAS: LCW, Hafiz, WCH
KOR: LHI, PSW, SSM ...(for the most part) :p
CHN: Lin, Bao, Chen ...(they just switched Chen-s, from Chen Hong to Chen Jin...:D)

Yep, that's true.
It's just that, I always dislike this kind of approach to respond things.
Just because other countries have the same MS roster for years, then can relax?

It's no different with:

Son : Mum, sorry. I got E for Math.
Mum: What?!
Son :But... But... There are 30 other students who also got E! Even the most clever one!

Again, I'm terribly sorry if I offend you. Believe me, not any single moment I have that kind of thought. My bad English probably contributes to this misunderstanding.