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hi,u guys always say that JP/CP more solid more durable more...than SP,BUT HOW CAN YOU PROVE IT?! Who told you this?!!! give me the proof!!
i have stringed my CAB20 SP at 30 lbs ,lasted 5 months but it's ok,nothing happened . how can you explain this?
we don't need to prove it. if you don't believe it, it is your loss.
good for you that you can string your cab20 SP @ 30lbs. i dont' think anyone (except Matt) has said that SP isn't durable. the claim is that CN/CP is more solid and durable, that's all.
we don't need to prove it. Can that be a reason? hehe...
Pete LSD
06-02-2002, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by ASD
we don't need to prove it. Can that be a reason? hehe...
Actually, all you need to do is to purchase a CAB 20 CP from one of the available vendors in Hong Kong and string it to 34 X 36 pounds with BG-65. Now cut the string on your CAB 20 SP and string to 34 X 36 pounds with BG-65. If the SP can take that much tension then I say it is a fluke! Of course, you must use the same stringer to string both racquets. ;) We, CP racquet followers, are waiting for your report. :D
Mate,
It seems that he believes that Sp and CP dont have a difference! Incase u want tp vouch for Cp then why dont u lend him a Cp racket. U are so sure abt it taking 34Lbs.
So u wont break ur Cp and he is the one who is going to lose money as he will break his racket( as per ur suggestion). So i think instead of u actually letting him buy 2 rackets u can lend one of urs and Incase he breaks his Sp then he will never buy Sp again. Incase he does not then He is very happy to have not wasted money..
When it comes to a test u cant bring in stuff like fluke etc.. If teh sp takes 34 lbs and sticks arnd for a decent period of time then...
I think u would do a favour by lending ur racket to our pal.
and hey, i dont hold anything agst u. So pls dont think i am picking on u mate.
i dont know about durable thingy but i can definetly say that when compared, the CP/CN/JP versions are definitely heavier than the SP ones...
and becoz of the extra weight, we feel that it's more sturdy... more stable, more powerful!
maybe the SP ones are actually 2u in weight and the CP/CN/JP ones are manufactured to be only u in weight...
just a thought...
but i still prefer the CP/JP/CN ones though! SOLID!
the question doubted me : are SP & CP produced from the same line? the sure imformation i can get is : SP rackets are supplied by Singapore, has YONEX claimed SP a mercantile edition? have you ever heared that?
some said that CP is picked up from many rackets , it's quality is 2 to 3 times better than SP. BUT, who picked these rakets? when he decide one racket been picked ,what he according to? string it until break it? impossible ! play with it? impossible! i mean how to test it? seems no way to test every one.
being a international co. YONEX must control the quality,it may have some difference
but must not be so obvious as some one said"2-3 times better..." , you has the feel ,perhaps come from your mentality ! I can say none of you guys has done the test in same condition to prove CP better than SP, could I?
i have CAB20SP CN, TI10SP CP rackets,to my own experience, i can not feel any difference,perhaps head weight not so exactly the same, but "the heavier one is better"??? can not be a theory !
What means 'better'? flex, control, power,i think. these element is subjective feel of a man,how to measure it? every one has his own feel, one player can have different feel at different time, so how can you say CP is better than SP without a assuring information? how can you answer one man without a think?
If i said, CP/CN rackets are spreaded by some pro player, in order to sell it in high price ,they said CN/CP is better than SP,because of their good skill ,no one doubt their theory , could you believe me?
BTW ,Indonesian pro player use SP rackets ......
i agree on what you say, except on a few things.
1. There is no Yonex factory in Singapore and SP means "South Pacific" and not Singapore!
2. How do you know the indonesian players are playing with SP versions?
3. You CAN feel the difference between SP and CN! i havent actually hold them YET! but i compared SP and HK a few times though! the HK ones are much more sturdier!
"If i said, CP/CN rackets are spreaded by some pro player, in order to sell it in high price ,they said CN/CP is better than SP,because of their good skill ,no one doubt their theory , could you believe me? "
Then why are the CN/CP rackets so hard to find? IT is SO rare! even luxis and gang dont have regular stock of it!!
mongoose
06-02-2002, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by ASD
i have CAB20SP CN, TI10SP CP rackets,to my own experience, i can not feel any difference
Hi ASD,
In that case, would you like to trade your Ti-10 CP with my Ti-10 SP?
I have two of them.
And I don't mind trading both for your one CP version.
Email me at little_tatty@hotmail.com.
Thanks.
to |R|S:
"Then why are the CN/CP rackets so hard to find? IT is SO rare! even luxis and gang dont have regular stock of it!!"
----Is that so strange?
forgot one thing:if it is ture CP is better than SP , Why YONEX have to produce 2 versions(SP & CP) of each mode? why they have to make SP &CP not same quality? perhaps they think people can not use CP but cheaper SP, perhaps people can not pay the money, or YONEX don't like to get more gain ! how funny it is!
to |R|S :
i 've been told SP more better than HK......
to mongoose:
want to buy CP rackets? please pay attention to these web site of china:
www.bbeshop.com
www.fly001.com
www.cnnzsports.com
some time they have CP/CN rackets, and bbeshop will have MP90(JP) recently.they even have CN ISO TOUR 800 today.;)
Originally posted by ASD
to |R|S:
"Then why are the CN/CP rackets so hard to find? IT is SO rare! even luxis and gang dont have regular stock of it!!"
----Is that so strange?
forgot one thing:if it is ture CP is better than SP , Why YONEX have to produce 2 versions(SP & CP) of each mode? why they have to make SP &CP not same quality? perhaps they think people can not use CP but cheaper SP, perhaps people can not pay the money, or YONEX don't like to get more gain ! how funny it is!
That's why i think the rumours are true! that CP rackets are for the professionals!
1. they are rare coz they are given to sponsored pros only and luxis,etc get their stock from these players when they dont like the new racket.
2.They make 2 different model (or more) so that they can give the better ones (CP) to the pros! if they give the normal ones (SP) yonex will bleed coz it will break like nobody's business! Break during stringing and break during smashes!
but it still doesnt answer the question why so many models (CP/CN/JP/SP/TW/HK etc) and not just two models....
JChen99
06-02-2002, 02:34 PM
Well, from what's been said, the CP and CN versions are picked out from the rest of the stock because they are more durable. So in theory, they might have missed a few and left them as SP/HK/TW etc etc... so... there's a chance of getting a top knotch racket for paying the same amount as the rest :D so there's no point of getting the CP/CN versions unless you're planning on turning pro, or is really serious (and i mean serious) about your game play(o yah... and u gotta be rich too :p )!
Pete LSD
06-02-2002, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by JChen99
Well, from what's been said, the CP and CN versions are picked out from the rest of the stock because they are more durable. So in theory, they might have missed a few and left them as SP/HK/TW etc etc... so... there's a chance of getting a top knotch racket for paying the same amount as the rest :D so there's no point of getting the CP/CN versions unless you're planning on turning pro, or is really serious (and i mean serious) about your game play(o yah... and u gotta be rich too :p )!
CP, CN, CD, UK, HK, US, GR, TH . . . etc are from the same batch. Please note manufacturing is a statistical game. For example, out of 1,000 racquets produced, you will have a number of racquets that are of certain quality and a fewer number of racquets of better quality and so on . . . It's statistical distribution. CP and CN just happen to be in the top percentile of quality.
TDotSmAsHer
06-02-2002, 09:24 PM
I think CD is on par with JP........ feels same weight and performs just as well... (same racquet different tension though) ... I don't own the JP but the guy who had the JP racquet let me try it...... was MP-50.
Pete LSD
06-02-2002, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by Yogi
Mate,
It seems that he believes that Sp and CP dont have a difference! Incase u want tp vouch for Cp then why dont u lend him a Cp racket. U are so sure abt it taking 34Lbs.
So u wont break ur Cp and he is the one who is going to lose money as he will break his racket( as per ur suggestion). So i think instead of u actually letting him buy 2 rackets u can lend one of urs and Incase he breaks his Sp then he will never buy Sp again. Incase he does not then He is very happy to have not wasted money..
When it comes to a test u cant bring in stuff like fluke etc.. If teh sp takes 34 lbs and sticks arnd for a decent period of time then...
I think u would do a favour by lending ur racket to our pal.
and hey, i dont hold anything agst u. So pls dont think i am picking on u mate.
I don't intend to lend him my treasured CP racquets. However, I strung my CP racquets to 30 pounds in the past. I will gladly string my CP to 34 pounds if a qualified stringer in HK is willing to go that high.
modious
06-02-2002, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by |R|S
3. You CAN feel the difference between SP and CN! i havent actually hold them YET! but i compared SP and HK a few times though! the HK ones are much more sturdier!
HK rackets are definately of lower quality IMHO.
Mongoose and I have broke 3 MP100 HK altogether!
Just two comments:
1. In HK, Most of the shops carry the SP version. One would think that if HK models are meant for Hong Kong, they would be carried by most local shops.
2. I recently purchased 2 MP77 CD rackets in Hong Kong for less than the price of SP models. If it is in fact true that they are of superior quality to SP versions then those 2 rackets would be a steal!
:)
Chu Pa
06-03-2002, 10:59 PM
Yonex Japan would have one assembly line to produce a certain racquet(i.e. MP100, MP90 etc..) and distribute to the whole world. CP/CN racquets being one of best of the batch. Following in no certain order SP, CD,and US and so on. But how does Yonex Japan pick the JP versions from the batch? Before or after CP/CN versions? My guess is JP first, since the Japanese always keep the best for themselves.
Cheung
06-03-2002, 11:36 PM
No proof - only people's subjective assessment.
Winex West Can
06-04-2002, 12:14 AM
I don't think there is an answer to this unless Yonex or someone from Yonex is willing to contribute so that we heard it directly from the horse's mouth so to speak.
The idea behind the destination code was so that Yonex could track their products and ensure that products destined for other places are to be sold in those places and not anywhere else. For example, in Canada, I am only supposed to be able to buy on CD versions but obviously SP versions are available but are not recognized by Yonex Canada as to the warranty and I am told (again heresay) that authorized Yonex retailers are not supposed to sell non-CD versions.
As I have mentioned previously, that I am surprised if Yonex actually provide inferior products (the SP) to the SE Asian countries.
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