Japan Open entries

[huangkwokhau]

INA:

XD:
Nova/Natsir
Vita/Rijal
Flandy/Greyia

There are some changes in XD...

WD:
Vita/Natsir
Greysia/Nitya

[george@chongwei]

lee chong wei will certainly come here again to defend his title:)

[Jagdpanther]

lee chong wei will certainly come here again to defend his title:)
No Taufik to ruin the party?:confused:

[huangkwokhau]

INA MD:
Joko/Hendra AG
Markis Kido/Hendra S
Rian/ Yoke
Bona/Ahsan

[apontoh]

A coming out party for INA's new generation of players??

[huangkwokhau]

INA MS:
Sony
Simon
Alamsyah
Tommy Sugiarto

[lipans]

KKK/TBH and CTF/LWW will not come. Only Fuzzy reps in MS.

[george@chongwei]

KKK/TBH and CTF/LWW will not come. Only Fuzzy reps in MS.
how do u know??
where u get the information??

[badMania]

INA MD:
Joko/Hendra AG
Markis Kido/Hendra S
Rian/ Yoke
Bona/Ahsan

A good mix of experienced and young pairs. It's time for Bona/Ahsan and Rian/Yoke to stand up to the occassion.

[huangkwokhau]

China entries..
If there is a mistake, I apologize as it was tough to get all names down from the phone.
Some info that I got...does not mean they will attend...possibility of cancellations later:

China entries:

Lin Dan
Bao Chun Lai
Chen Jin
Chen Yu
Lu Yi

Lu Lan
Zhu Lin
Jiang....( I forgot all names)
Wang Yi han

Du Jing/Yu Yang
Yuyang/He Han bin
Cai yun/FHF
Xie Zhong bo/Guo Zendong

I know I am missing some more names

[jamesd20]

China entries..
If there is a mistake, I apologize as it was tough to get all names down from the phone.
Jiang....( I forgot all names)

Talking to Chen Hong again? Don't forget ask him about the mental!:D:D

Jiang Yanjiao ring any bells?

[leonardklh]

btw, any malaysian player list?

[huangkwokhau]

Talking to Chen Hong again? Don't forget ask him about the mental!:D:D

Jiang Yanjiao ring any bells?
Thats right!!!.....:D:D....last time..he hung up my phone.....:(:( calling him too early.....:D

[lipans]

how do u know??
where u get the information??

in newspaper.. i dont remember which one. it says that both pair will not in the list to Japan because of poor performance in olympic.

[Jagdpanther]

Wow, China sends full force...
We might see Olympics finals again!

[jasonmarc]

Hope RAshid Sidek will send most of the young MS .....as MAS need to speed up to bring up some more good MS.....for future....

[Cheung]

Traditionally, most of the big players will turn up at the Japan Open because Japan is the home of the main sponsor. It would not surprise me if attendance is dictated by contractual agreements.

[huangkwokhau]

Traditionally, most of the big players will turn up at the Japan Open because Japan is the home of the main sponsor. It would not surprise me if attendance is dictated by contractual agreements.
Yes...........it does......TH will show up too

[tommy_bun]

Lu Lan
Zhu Lin
Jiang....( I forgot all names)
Wang Yi han


So...Xie XF is ofiiacially retired???And I dont see Wang Lin or Zhu Jing2 in the list.
And How can you forget my Jiang2's name hauge:p:D

[Zealous]

Xie Xingfang retires already ?! :eek::eek:

That really shocked me. I know that she's retiring but I didn't know that it'll be so soon.

[huangkwokhau]

Entries:

Lee Chong Wei
Wong Mei Choo
Tony/Candra
Taufik Hidayat
The Fuzzy pair

[jamesd20]

Xie Xingfang retires already ?! :eek::eek:

That really shocked me. I know that she's retiring but I didn't know that it'll be so soon.

No just a rumour so far....

[huangkwokhau]

Saina Nehwal
Anup Shridar
Zheng Bo/Gao Ling
Zhang Ya Wen/Wei Yi Li
Qian Tian/Pan Pan
Xing Ai Ying

[huangkwokhau]

So...Xie XF is ofiiacially retired???And I dont see Wang Lin or Zhu Jing2 in the list.
And How can you forget my Jiang2's name hauge:p:D

The girls mentioned the names too fast..I mentioned that I forgot some of them...I think Lu Yi is in also...then again, some names can be withdrawn last minute.
Since the guy who is in charge is sick....on medical leave....thats why there is no quick update on entry list....some mof chinese players may play China Open and Macau Open only....I wont be surprised if some withdraw last minute....lets see!..for sure...Japan Open has always stronger field due to Yonex Contract...

[cooler]

No Taufik to ruin the party?:confused:

huh??? he would like an appetizer to most other players. who wanna be a snack?

[cooler]

Wow, China sends full force...
We might see Olympics finals again!
JO has good prize money, worth going

[huangkwokhau]

JO has good prize money, worth going
JO is only US$ 200 K less than KO/HKG and INA Open.....due to Yonex's contract....most of players have to be there....

[huangkwokhau]

TH will be there to honour his contract....

[Krisna]

JO is only US$ 200 K less than KO/HKG and INA Open.....due to Yonex's contract....most of players have to be there....

Fair enough. Yonex paid $$$ to so many players to be seen by Japanese viewers... :p Makes sense...

[cooler]

TH will be there to honour his contract....no boubt since he know he'll look bad against OG form LD, CJ and BCL, well, almost all other players are in OG form LOL

[huangkwokhau]

no boubt since he know he'll look bad against OG form LD, CJ and BCL, well, almost all other players are in OG form LOL
LOL..dont be nasty cooler....If you want to make fun of TH.....lets do it? how LD lose again last year in JO??:D:D
Who were the finalist last year?:cool:

[cooler]

LOL..dont be nasty cooler....If you want to make fun of TH.....lets do it? how LD lose again last year in JO??:D:D
Who were the finalist last year?:cool:ld lost to lcw, not to TH. When Th saw LD is out, then he tries in the final and should have beaten lcw but didnt. I wrote a game analysis in another thread already

[huangkwokhau]

ld lost to lcw, not to TH. When Th saw LD is out, then he tries in the final
Does not matter............;);)

[george@chongwei]

so will XXF or zhu lin gonna participate in this tournament???

[huangkwokhau]

so will XXF or zhu lin gonna participate in this tournament???
I think Zhu Lin is IN...XXF, I do not know...She may be in China Open and Macau Open.....

[huangkwokhau]

So...Xie XF is ofiiacially retired???And I dont see Wang Lin or Zhu Jing2 in the list.
And How can you forget my Jiang2's name hauge:p:D
I am not sure about WL and Zhu Jing Jing.....they may not participate in JO but CO and Macau Open.....I did not recall those names....I can be wrong

[tommy_bun]

The girls mentioned the names too fast..I mentioned that I forgot some of them...I think Lu Yi is in also...then again, some names can be withdrawn last minute.
Since the guy who is in charge is sick....on medical leave....thats why there is no quick update on entry list....some mof chinese players may play China Open and Macau Open only....I wont be surprised if some withdraw last minute....lets see!..for sure...Japan Open has always stronger field due to Yonex Contract...
Thanx Hauge for the info:):cool:

[.ash.]

hey,do you know
any women single from indonesia that will play at japan open?
thx

[huangkwokhau]

hey,do you know
any women single from indonesia that will play at japan open?
thx
Maria Kristin
Pia
Firdasari

[huangkwokhau]

Lin Dan withdrew from JO.......also BCL and Chen Jin

[huangkwokhau]

Updated entries:

CHINA:

Lu Lan
Zhu Lin
Wang Lin
Wang Yi Han
Zhu Jing JIng
Jiang Yan Jiao

Chen Yu
Lu Yi
Gong Wei Jie
Zhu Wei Lun
Qiu Yan Bo

Guo Zhen Dong/Chen XU ( replacing Xie Zhong Bo)
He Han Bin/Shen Yu

Zhang Ya Wen/Wei Yi Li
Du Jing/Yu Yang
Pan Pan/Qian Tian
Zhu Yun Lei ( not sure if I spell it right)/Zheng Yu

Chen Xu/Zhang Ya wen
He Han Bin/Yu Yang
Pan /Pan/ Shen Yu
Shen Sun Ji/Qian Tian (not sure about the name)
Another young pair from China with Zhu Yun Lai

MAS:

LCW
WCH
Roslin
LTS
Sairul

WMC
Julia Wong

KOREA:

Hong Ji Hoon ( no PSH or LHI)
Hwang Hye Jun
Jang Soo young
Kim Moon Hi

LYD/JJS
Lee jae jin withdrew

LYD/LJH

DENMARK:

Tine Ramussen
Peter Gade
Boe/Moe

[george@chongwei]

but according to badzine, lee chong wei`s name had yet to be submitted:(

[badMania]

Guo Zhen Dong/Chen XU ( replacing Xie Zhong Bo)
He Han Bin/Shen Yu

Zhang Ya Wen/Wei Yi Li
Du Jing/Yu Yang
Pan Pan/Qian Tian
Zhu Yun Lei ( not sure if I spell it right)/Zheng Yu

Chen Xu/Zhang Ya wen
He Han Bin/Yu Yang
Pan /Pan/ Shen Yu
Shen Sun Ji/Qian Tian (not sure about the name)
Another young pair from China with Zhu Yun Lai


Some corrections:
MD -- Guo Zhendong/Xu Chen (they have tried this partnership up 2 years ago and faced Kido/Hendra in the Hong Kong Open SF).
Shen Ye/He Hanbin (its time we see some action from this pair, after being left out for so long).

WD -- Pan Pan/Tian Qing (the promising WD pair who is also left out so long from the top tourneys).
Cheng Shu/Zhao Yunlei (another junior pair that progressed to the BAC SF 2007).

XD -- Xu Chen/Zhang Yawen
Pan Pan/Shen Ye
Sun Junjie/Tian Qing
Zhang Wei(probably)/Zhao Yunlei

[huangkwokhau]

but according to badzine, lee chong wei`s name had yet to be submitted:(

His name has been submitted already...BC Forum info is always faster than Badzine........;)

[Jagdpanther]

MAS only send veteran MSs?

[george@chongwei]

His name has been submitted already...BC Forum info is always faster than Badzine........;)
yeah..badzine is sometimes outdated:(:(:p:p:D

[tommy_bun]

Updated entries:

CHINA:

Lu Lan
Zhu Lin
Wang Lin
Wang Yi Han
Zhu Jing JIng
Jiang Yan Jiao

Chen Yu
Lu Yi
Gong Wei Jie
Zhu Wei Lun
Qiu Yan Bo

Guo Zhen Dong/Chen XU ( replacing Xie Zhong Bo)
He Han Bin/Shen Yu

Zhang Ya Wen/Wei Yi Li
Du Jing/Yu Yang
Pan Pan/Qian Tian
Zhu Yun Lei ( not sure if I spell it right)/Zheng Yu

Chen Xu/Zhang Ya wen
He Han Bin/Yu Yang
Pan /Pan/ Shen Yu
Shen Sun Ji/Qian Tian (not sure about the name)
Another young pair from China with Zhu Yun Lai


Nice to know so many young players sent by China.
Btw,What happened to Xie Zhongbo Hauge??He is injured??
lucky Xu Cen with the absence of Xie ZB.I guess he will not make it far(prove me wrong Xu Cen).
Even Zhao TingTing doesnt compete????

[tommy_bun]

Updated entries:

Zhu Yun Lei ( not sure if I spell it right)/Zheng Yu

I thot Cheng Su/Zhao Yun Lei have been kicked out of the team.

[huangkwokhau]

Nice to know so many young players sent by China.
Btw,What happened to Xie Zhongbo Hauge??He is injured??
lucky Xu Cen with the absence of Xie ZB.I guess he will not make it far(prove me wrong Xu Cen).
Even Zhao TingTing doesnt compete????
I know for sure that CHN is trying to get more solid MD....
I do not think Xie is injured...I wont be surprised that CHN prepares him with another guy for China Open or Macau Open...
I heard the rumour that if GL retires, they may try Zheng Bo/Zhao Ting Ting or Zheng Bo/Zhang Ya Wen...so within 12 months, not only CHN but INA, MAS, KOR and DEN may have different line ups on MD/XD or WD......;)

[huangkwokhau]

I thot Cheng Su/Zhao Yun Lei have been kicked out of the team.
How old are they?..........

[tommy_bun]

I know for sure that CHN is trying to get more solid MD....
I do not think Xie is injured...I wont be surprised that CHN prepares him with another guy for China Open or Macau Open...
I heard the rumour that if GL retires, they may try Zheng Bo/Zhao Ting Ting or Zheng Bo/Zhang Ya Wen...so within 12 months, not only CHN but INA, MAS, KOR and DEN may have different line ups on MD/XD or WD......;)

Hope GL will not retire soon.Zheng bo/Zhao TT were a pair once before ZB was paired with GL,they were quite Successful,at least they won HK Open 2006.Maybe China should try ZB with Zhang Yawen

[tommy_bun]

How old are they?..........
Cheng Su 21 N Zhao Yun Lei 22

[huangkwokhau]

Hope GL will not retire soon.Zheng bo/Zhao TT were a pair once before ZB was paired with GL,they were quite Successful,at least they won HK Open 2006.Maybe China should try ZB with Zhang Yawen
GL will retire..the question is after OG or end of the year...
I think GL may play some tournaments before end of year as SS Final will be in China....

[badMania]

I heard the rumour that if GL retires, they may try Zheng Bo/Zhao Ting Ting or Zheng Bo/Zhang Ya Wen...so within 12 months, not only CHN but INA, MAS, KOR and DEN may have different line ups on MD/XD or WD......;)

Zheng Bo had been paired with Zhao Tingting. Even though they won a title at the Hong Kong Open 2006, beating Nova Widianto/Liliyana Natsir, I don't think these two players will be pairing up again as they were reputed to be at odds with each other :o

[pjswift]

Lin Dan withdrew from JO.......also BCL and Chen Jin
Why? Thought top stars have to be at JO for contract obligations?Apparently not for CHN.
Looks like CHN MS want to have the advantage of freshness by participating in second consecutive SS to thrash LCW and co. who would be less fresh after JO. I hope BAM is smart enough to let LCW skip CO.CHN MS using second SS participation strategy, to defeat LCW to create false CHN MS superiority image over LCW.Let's see if BAM is smart enough to frustrate CHN's ploy.This CHN MS pattern's quite obvious in the run up to OG08.CHN MS unlikely to use this strategy for Europe tournaments so LCW should be able to meet CHN MS on equal footing there and participate in both DO and FO consecutively.But it's unwise for LCW to go to CO and be made a fool of.
Besides, LCW has reached the high consistency stage where he can afford to be highly selective and playing less to maintain his career span wisely so that he's still competitive for OG12.

[volcom]

Why? Thought top stars have to be at JO for contract obligations?Apparently not for CHN.
Looks like CHN MS want to have the advantage of freshness by participating in second consecutive SS to thrash LCW and co. who would be less fresh after JO. I hope BAM is smart enough to let LCW skip CO.CHN MS using second SS participation strategy, to defeat LCW to create false CHN MS superiority image over LCW.Let's see if BAM is smart enough to frustrate CHN's ploy.This CHN MS pattern's quite obvious in the run up to OG08.CHN MS unlikely to use this strategy for Europe tournaments so LCW should be able to meet CHN MS on equal footing there and participate in both DO and FO consecutively.But it's unwise for LCW to go to CO and be made a fool of.
Besides, LCW has reached the high consistency stage where he can afford to be highly selective and playing less to maintain his career span wisely so that he's still competitive for OG12.


Hahahaha, is this a joke?

[robin7]

I agreed with pjswift that LCW should skip CO and possibly HKO based on bad experience last year.

[pjswift]

Hahahaha, is this a joke?
Any dumb nut can come up with your one-liner opinion.
Give yourself some respect.Back up your view by explaining why you think it's a joke.

[badMania]

With the top 3 out of 4 players withdrawing, and Denmark only sending Peter Gade, we shall see Lee Chong Wei topping the seeding, with Sony Dwi Kuncoro, Peter Gade, and Taufik Hidayat making up the next 3.

It's time for Simon Santoso to get yet another good result here since he will be among the top 8 seeds.

[Morten]

With the top 3 out of 4 players withdrawing, and Denmark only sending Peter Gade, we shall see Lee Chong Wei topping the seeding, with Sony Dwi Kuncoro, Peter Gade, and Taufik Hidayat making up the next 3.

It's time for Simon Santoso to get yet another good result here since he will be among the top 8 seeds.

I agree. This tournament will give a hint of who the powerhouses are expecting to count on in the future. From JO and one year ahead we will see a lot of veterans quitting and new players will arise. As I see it this will be an exciting new period to watch.

[victory]

Hahahaha, is this a joke?

It is obviously not a joke.

What pjswift have said is very strategic.

[huangkwokhau]

Why? Thought top stars have to be at JO for contract obligations?Apparently not for CHN.
Looks like CHN MS want to have the advantage of freshness by participating in second consecutive SS to thrash LCW and co. who would be less fresh after JO. I hope BAM is smart enough to let LCW skip CO.CHN MS using second SS participation strategy, to defeat LCW to create false CHN MS superiority image over LCW.Let's see if BAM is smart enough to frustrate CHN's ploy.This CHN MS pattern's quite obvious in the run up to OG08.CHN MS unlikely to use this strategy for Europe tournaments so LCW should be able to meet CHN MS on equal footing there and participate in both DO and FO consecutively.But it's unwise for LCW to go to CO and be made a fool of.
Besides, LCW has reached the high consistency stage where he can afford to be highly selective and playing less to maintain his career span wisely so that he's still competitive for OG12.
As far as I know that LCW will not go to China Open but Macau Open where LD/BCL/CJ should be there

[huangkwokhau]

We have to remember that many tournaments will be held in China this year:

Olympics
China Open 1
China Open 2
SS Final

So many players will participate China Open 2 and HKO...also after Olympics, many players want to take vacations...thats why JO, TO or Co (1) are lack of full field...
Also 4 tournaments in a row......it is wise that a player can participate 2 tournaments only....

[volcom]

Why? Thought top stars have to be at JO for contract obligations?Apparently not for CHN.
Looks like CHN MS want to have the advantage of freshness by participating in second consecutive SS to thrash LCW and co. who would be less fresh after JO. I hope BAM is smart enough to let LCW skip CO.CHN MS using second SS participation strategy, to defeat LCW to create false CHN MS superiority image over LCW.Let's see if BAM is smart enough to frustrate CHN's ploy.This CHN MS pattern's quite obvious in the run up to OG08.CHN MS unlikely to use this strategy for Europe tournaments so LCW should be able to meet CHN MS on equal footing there and participate in both DO and FO consecutively.But it's unwise for LCW to go to CO and be made a fool of.
Besides, LCW has reached the high consistency stage where he can afford to be highly selective and playing less to maintain his career span wisely so that he's still competitive for OG12.


And China need to show the world that they can beat LCW? Just like in AE, Swiss open, and the Olympics?
What bigger joke can there be than this pathetic one? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
LCW was n't on equal footing when he got knocked out of the semi's by Chen Jin in AE and again for Swiss Open. He was only on equal footing for TC :rolleyes:, he only lost so horrendously in OG cos he was tired?

hahaha, non of LD, CJ, BCl and even CY fear LCW who has not won one single major tournament despite being the closest rival to super dan.

[Jagdpanther]

hahaha, non of LD, CJ, BCl and even CY fear LCW who has not won one single major tournament despite being the closest rival to super dan.
Um, do you not count Super Series as 'major tournament,' Sire?
Because he won one in Singapore this year.

[bananakid]

Why? Thought top stars have to be at JO for contract obligations?Apparently not for CHN.
Looks like CHN MS want to have the advantage of freshness by participating in second consecutive SS to thrash LCW and co. who would be less fresh after JO. I hope BAM is smart enough to let LCW skip CO.CHN MS using second SS participation strategy, to defeat LCW to create false CHN MS superiority image over LCW.Let's see if BAM is smart enough to frustrate CHN's ploy.This CHN MS pattern's quite obvious in the run up to OG08.CHN MS unlikely to use this strategy for Europe tournaments so LCW should be able to meet CHN MS on equal footing there and participate in both DO and FO consecutively.But it's unwise for LCW to go to CO and be made a fool of.
Besides, LCW has reached the high consistency stage where he can afford to be highly selective and playing less to maintain his career span wisely so that he's still competitive for OG12.

Who are you trying to convince here? more like you are just trying to come up with any sort of "reason" to back up your own belief of LCW's superiority.

Lin Dan participate in the last tournament before the OG which was Thailand open, while LCW last tournament was the Singapore open(at least a few weeks before the Thailand open), and you are only kidding yourself if you believe any loss of LCW was because of he was tired compared to Lin Dan.

Most likely you will come up with the Lin Dan had an easier semi than LCW in the OG, which is true, but you can not deny the fact that if one can not go through every obstacle that is in front of him to become a champion, that is his own fault, and you can't use that as an excuse for losing.

Lin Dan showed the world how he is the most dominant badminton player so far, and what if he likes to let this feeling sink into LCW's head and haunt him even more mentally by not even giving him a slight of a chance to meet him soon. This may be just another brilliant mental war by the great LYB, who knows.

Though, you have to agree that LYB has given you boleh fans a chance to dream and imagine again that LCW is still superior even after the defeat(a bad one) after the OG.;)


CHN is smart enough to prepare for the next OG by sending new stars to bigger tournament and let them have the opportunity to shine, instead of doing what BAM is doing, sending a bunch of players who probably won't be around the next couple of years(especially those so-called uncles) + they don't even have what it takes to win(eg. Roslin, LTS, and etc). Why not send the new players? Why send a bunch of not so good players who aren't likely to improve any more to big tournaments?

Bad planning ain't going to bring a miracle OG gold medal to Malaysia, and that is just to prove to be right one more time in London.

[bananakid]

Um, do you not count Super Series as 'major tournament,' Sire?
Because he won one in Singapore this year.

a super series is a major tournament???:confused: I mean people used to complain about how a WC is no longer a major tournament because it is being held once a year, and now we are going to consider a tournament that is held almost ONCE per MONTH a major tournament?????????:eek::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Talk about low standards here. What's next? The Canadian open becomes a major badminton tournament???

[samuel882]

I thought JO is a SS event in which the players need to be qualified based on WR. top 64 for MS/WS if I am not mistaken.?
What is the rank for MJs? And compare with the CJs?
Send the MJs to smaller tounament to gain more international experience will be much better than sending them straight to any SS and get thrashed in their first match.
how many SS for Qiu YanBo, Lu Yi. ChenLong and others CJs in 2007?

[bananakid]

I thought JO is a SS event in which the players need to be qualified based on WR. top 64 for MS/WS if I am not mistaken.?
What is the rank for MJs? And compare with the CJs?
Send the MJs to smaller tounament to gain more international experience will be much better than sending them straight to any SS and get thrashed in their first match.
how many SS for Qiu YanBo, Lu Yi. ChenLong and others CJs in 2007?

Yeah, you are right... I forgot all about the SS rules already, since I saw all those China Junior players involved.

Getting thrashed is part of the learning curve, and overly protecting your players isn't necessary a good thing. When your player get thrashed, then it is time to sit them down and discuss where to improve, thus you get to find out how strong they are mentally... whether they can take the loss and rebound, or if they are just sitting there and feel sorry for themselves.

Sending LTS, Roslin, and etc, are most likely resulting in yet another thrashing by a top seeded player anyways(if the top seeded players show up, that is). I mean if BAM is going to keep sending those folks to tournaments, might as well send Datuk Misbun to play, too.;)

I think LYB starts to send China Juniors to SS, mainly because he is already planning for London OG... what's a better time to start preparation then now? Find out who is the one capable of making it big, and who is not through lots of tournaments early instead of relying on the existing squard to hopefully be able to play 4 years later.

By the way, LCW(4 years from today) will likely be the same as WCH today, so why not start to build some youngsters early?

$320 each for Roslin, or LTS to lose in the first round isn't even enough to cover the flight tickets.

[cooler]

Yeah, you are right... I forgot all about the SS rules already, since I saw all those China Junior players involved.

Getting thrashed is part of the learning curve, and overly protecting your players isn't necessary a good thing. When your player get thrashed, then it is time to sit them down and discuss where to improve, thus you get to find out how strong they are mentally... whether they can take the loss and rebound, or if they are just sitting there and feel sorry for themselves.

Sending LTS, Roslin, and etc, are most likely resulting in yet another thrashing by a top seeded player anyways(if the top seeded players show up, that is). I mean if BAM is going to keep sending those folks to tournaments, might as well send Datuk Misbun to play, too.;)

I think LYB starts to send China Juniors to SS, mainly because he is already planning for London OG... what's a better time to start preparation then now? Find out who is the one capable of making it big, and who is not through lots of tournaments early instead of relying on the existing squard to hopefully be able to play 4 years later.

By the way, LCW(4 years from today) will likely be the same as WCH today, so why not start to build some youngsters early?

$320 each for Roslin, or LTS to lose in the first round isn't even enough to cover the flight tickets.

i think u should stop giving free constructive criticism and advices to BAM ;) If china do badly in 2012 OG, i will blame u for it:p

[cooler]

Why? Thought top stars have to be at JO for contract obligations?Apparently not for CHN.
Looks like CHN MS want to have the advantage of freshness by participating in second consecutive SS to thrash LCW and co. who would be less fresh after JO. I hope BAM is smart enough to let LCW skip CO.CHN MS using second SS participation strategy, to defeat LCW to create false CHN MS superiority image over LCW.Let's see if BAM is smart enough to frustrate CHN's ploy.This CHN MS pattern's quite obvious in the run up to OG08.CHN MS unlikely to use this strategy for Europe tournaments so LCW should be able to meet CHN MS on equal footing there and participate in both DO and FO consecutively.But it's unwise for LCW to go to CO and be made a fool of.
Besides, LCW has reached the high consistency stage where he can afford to be highly selective and playing less to maintain his career span wisely so that he's still competitive for OG12.

there's no hiding of your despisal on LYB's action. What i'm surprised is your suggestion and approval of LCW to adopt such filthy tactic of LYB.:rolleyes:

So, giving some key players a rest after OG training and competition is some evil doing of the china team huh? So i guess from your perspective having lcw to toil in the OG, then parade him around town with politicans, and then back on the court to train and compete in the JO is a better way to treat a star player. :rolleyes:

[bananakid]

i think u should stop giving free constructive criticism and advices to BAM ;) If china do badly in 2012 OG, i will blame u for it:p

Those "free constructive criticism" may earn me a 'datuk' title in the future... LOL:p;) Then everyone will start calling me Datuk Bananakid.:D

[cooler]

Those "free constructive criticism" may earn me a 'datuk' title in the future... LOL:p;) Then everyone will start calling me Datuk Bananakid.:D
don't count on it. They will let you upgrade your nic back to bananaboy rather than give u a datuk title. :p

[george@chongwei]

Um, do you not count Super Series as 'major tournament,' Sire?
Because he won one in Singapore this year.
and 1 more: Malaysia Open..

[Jagdpanther]

a super series is a major tournament???:confused: I mean people used to complain about how a WC is no longer a major tournament because it is being held once a year, and now we are going to consider a tournament that is held almost ONCE per MONTH a major tournament?????????:eek::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Singapore SS only held ONCE per YEAR.

[bananakid]

Singapore SS only held ONCE per YEAR.

Dude... hopefully you are just being sarcastic here...:eek:
There are 12 super series in a year, and you really think a Singapore SS is any different from a Korea SS?:rolleyes:

Do you also consider a Philippines GP a major title as well(it's held once a year,too accordinging to your standard), because LCW won it, too... oh... wait, so did Hafiz.:eek::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[hcpoirot]

I still cannot understand why LYB didnot try to pair the strongest MD and WD in MD like Korean, denmark and England pair did. Indonesia and China had the same formula. They had a stong WD player in XD like Gao Ling, Yu Yang, Liliyana and Vita. But the men player were usually players that didnot had a major success in MD like Flandi (after retired from MD), Nova (not a very good MD player), Zheng Bo and Xie ZB . (also so so men doubles)

Example: If only Indonesia had Hendra S/ Lilyana N and China had Fu Hai Feng/ Zhang Ya wen, can you imagine how deadly these pair can be?

If China and Indonesia didnot had any very strong XD, I predict Korea XD Lee Young Dae/ LHY will be a very and tough pair to beat in 4 years to come.

Reason: LYD is still young and can improve very very much in 4 years to come judging from how talented he was right now. LHJ also a good WD player and tall. They will get better from what they are right now.

Mean while, other good prospect probably only HHB/ Yu Yang. Again He han Bin only a so so MD player. Others pairs are just too old, one way or other and maybe retired before LOndon 2012.

[hcpoirot]

For all debate, I never consider SS as a major tournament. Despite the tournament got big points and money rewards.

After Olympics over, you will see lots of major tournaments will not be attend by best of the best in the world. why? easy. The players only had to play min 10 tournaments a year to had a full ranking points. So many players who did not chase prize money, will only enter a very imporatnt tournaments for them like WCH and All England etc or tournaments held in their country.

They wanted to stay fresh and healthy from any injury.

So if lets say player A can win an SS event but only 5 or less top ten player attend, can you said that player A already achieve a major success? Or lets say, player B win only a Gold event where all the best player attend, of course player B achieve a good success cause he/she win in tournament that all the best of the best participate.

With this in mind, you will probably see that China and Denmark and sometimes Indonesia probably didnot send their best player in all 12 SS in one year. Of course when Olympic 2012 near again. you will bet all best of the best will participate in all events even a small badminton tournaments.

[jamesd20]

I still cannot understand why LYB didnot try to pair the strongest MD and WD in MD like Korean, denmark and England pair did. Indonesia and China had the same formula. They had a stong WD player in XD like Gao Ling, Yu Yang, Liliyana and Vita. But the men player were usually players that didnot had a major success in MD like Flandi (after retired from MD), Nova (not a very good MD player), Zheng Bo and Xie ZB . (also so so men doubles)

Example: If only Indonesia had Hendra S/ Lilyana N and China had Fu Hai Feng/ Zhang Ya wen, can you imagine how deadly these pair can be?

If China and Indonesia didnot had any very strong XD, I predict Korea XD Lee Young Dae/ LHY will be a very and tough pair to beat in 4 years to come.


XD is a different game to MD & WD. XD requires better tactics and consistency as opposed to power and fitness. FHF would be a terrible XD player IMO - he has little concept of tactics, just hit it harder if you are not winning. He does not have the defensive ability to turn attack around and find gaps.

XD mens players need to be tactically aware, have good skill to place shots and are consistent. They DONT have to have a big attack (eg. ZB), they don't have to be able to keep smashing over and over (NR, Nova) and they don't need to be exceptionally quick as in MD (Flandy)

It is a similar situation for the women, agility around the net area and a strong defence is the main requirements for women currently.

I agree about LYD. as he matures his tactical awareness will get better. His skills are ready now. LHJ is not young though (27 now), but she is also well skilled and does not rely on speed or physical ability, so should last.

[l3nny]

hey.....can anyone answer me y jae jin will withdraw?:crying:

[leonardklh]

koo kien keat not going to japan open... hui lin will parner zakry for japan open... khim wah and pei tty will be playing in mixed double..

[george@chongwei]

koo kien keat not going to japan open... hui lin will parner zakry for japan open... khim wah and pei tty will be playing in mixed double..
but they have to play on the qualifying round 1st right?

[huangkwokhau]

INA will send complete WS: Maria Kristin, Firdasari, Pia, Nana and Aprilia

[chemile]

INA will send complete WS: Maria Kristin, Firdasari, Pia, Nana and Aprilia

Do you think that Nana still can compete in International Tournaments? I think she must find out and explore her weapon such good footwork, or deceptive play, or whatever. Pia has good deceptive, Maria as well. Firda must play with variety and combination of chop, dropshot, or any other shot. I think better if PBSI send more talented young players than Nana. I think she can not develop her gameplay anymore a.k.a mentog :P

[huangkwokhau]

Do you think that Nana still can compete in International Tournaments? I think she must find out and explore her weapon such good footwork, or deceptive play, or whatever. Pia has good deceptive, Maria as well. Firda must play with variety and combination of chop, dropshot, or any other shot. I think better if PBSI send more talented young players than Nana. I think she can not develop her gameplay anymore a.k.a mentog :P
Nana still can compete but with new ruile that Qualification will consist 16 players....I think Nana and Aprilia as well as Zhu Jing Jing may not be able to enter qualification........

[hansonlouphers]

I'm agree with Chemile. Nana is . . . Just walk in place.. Pia and firda are better ones. JMO.
Maria is going rite?

[george@chongwei]

I'm agree with Chemile. Nana is . . . Just walk in place.. Pia and firda are better ones. JMO.
Maria is going rite?
yes, maria kristin yulianti will be going to participate in this tournament.

[d65up2]

But there is no harm trying out Hendra Setiawan with Lilyana Natsir...Hendra Setiawan has the tactical awareness u have been mentioning while Markis Kido won't be good in XD as he just smash and smash and even more smash LMAO........

Well Anyway Hendra-Butet might make a good partnership or even Hendra-Greysia.....How bout Alven Yulianto???? He might be good in XD as well as he fail in MD so why not try him with Butet or Greysia...we have nothing to lose anyway

[hansonlouphers]

lol. Nova has smash tactic also. Smash..smash and smash.
Umm, maybe joining hendra+butet can be another good option when Nova is ready to retired.
Alvent with greysia?? Umm...i dunno how they on court. Hehe. But alvent is awesome. lmao!

[Sandy]

old story, from Kejurnas 2001

Hendra paired with Greysia


Past Winners

2001

Juniors

MS : Holvy De Pauw (Central Java) d Irawan Agung (Central Java), 7-4, 3-7, 7-5, 3-7, 7-0
WS : Maria Kristin (Central Java) d Adrianti Firdasari (Jakarta), 7-3, 8-6, 8-6.
MD : Hendra Setiawan/Joko Riyadi (Jakarta) d Ruben Gordown/Billy Gunawan (Central Java) 7-1 7-2 7-2
WD : Liliana Natsir/Nathalia Poluakan (Jakarta) d Purwati/Irene (Central Java) 7-2, 7-1, 7-0
MX* : Hendra Setiawan/Greysia Polii (Jakarta) v Devin Lahardi/Andriani (Jakarta)

[hansonlouphers]

No record game for Hendra/Butet? :p

[Sandy]

No record game for Hendra/Butet? :p

I think Hendra never paired with Butet in local tournament because of different club.

BTW, Butet paired with Markis Kidho was Asian Junior winner in 2002

[hansonlouphers]

Are u kidding me?? They won the game too? Tatz cool old news! Why they were no longer being a paired?

[CLELY]

With INA top-players attendance in this SS, looking forward to better result than last year edition when only USA-INA combination pair, Tony/Candra who grabbed MD title.

[Jagdpanther]

3 OG gold medalists will be joining the fray.
Will the result be the same as OG? We shall see.:)

[badMania]

I don't think the Pelatnas MD coach WILL EVER let the successful pair like Kido/Hendra to be playing in XD. It just never works out for the top INA MD pairs. That's why the players playing in XD are typically not the top players in MD, like Nova Widianto, Tri Kusharyanto and Flandy Limpele.

I see the trend continuing, with Mohd Rijal, Tantowi Ahmad and Devin Lahardi filling the spots as the "next generation".

[huangkwokhau]

So many withdrawals :

Du Jing/Yu Yang
LYD/LHJ ( XD)
LHJ/her partner in WD
He Han bin/Yu Yang
Zhang Ya wen/Wei Yi Li
Zhang Ya wen/Chen Xu
Xing Ai Ying
Kaori Maori

This is weakes Japan Open ever

[badMania]

So many withdrawals :

Du Jing/Yu Yang
LYD/LHJ ( XD)
LHJ/her partner in WD
He Han bin/Yu Yang
Zhang Ya wen/Wei Yi Li
Zhang Ya wen/Chen Xu
Xing Ai Ying
Yu Hirayama
Kaori Maori

This is weakes Japan Open ever

It's post-Olympics syndrome...so...many players are resting. As for the Chinese players, some of them (Yu Yang, Lin Dan) are involved in a HKG, MAC tour last weekend (ending today), some athletes even fainted due to the exhausting schedule. I don't think they will recover in 1-2 weeks time.

The number of entries in MD, WD and XD are 29, 22 and 25. Many seeded pairs will have byes in the first round.

[george@chongwei]

i think we should create 1 thread about who had withdraw from this tournament:)
hehe..let me start it.

[Sandy]

Are u kidding me?? They won the game too? Tatz cool old news! Why they were no longer being a paired?

no kidding
They won in 2002
Lilyana focused in WD, paired with Eny Erlangga, they were include in INA's UC squad already while Markis still as 2nd layer MD, paired with Rian Sukmawan (Hendra paired with Joko Riyadi at this time).

[hansonlouphers]

Umm, thanks 4 the info. I thought that butet only play in XD and first play in WD with Vita

[hansonlouphers]

Oh so, butet ever paired with Jo Novita, Eny Erlangga, Nathalie Poluakan, Lita Nurlita, and the last is Vita Marissa?
And in XD with Hendra & Nova only?
Im just curious

[KlasseE]

the MQ report provided by BWF still shows the old world ranking
LCW should be no. 1 i/o 2
Tine 3 i/o 4
Paaske/Rasmussen 4 i/o 5
Zakry/Fairul 8 i/o 10....
here (http://simplybadminton.blogspot.com/2008/09/mens-singles-womens-singles-player-name.html) is the updated MQ list with current world ranking and seeding

[Sandy]

Oh so, butet ever paired with Jo Novita, Eny Erlangga, Nathalie Poluakan, Lita Nurlita, and the last is Vita Marissa?
And in XD with Hendra & Nova only?
Im just curious

Butet hired to Pelatnas as Single player, she played in Asia Junior 2001 as Single player.
In Pelatnas she paired with Poluakan in WD Junior and Kido in XD Junior, then she paired with Erlangga after Jo Novita/Eny Erlangga splitted as Jo/Lita and Butet/Eny.

No much big result during Butet played in WD until she replace Vita when Vita got surgery to pair with Nova.

[KlasseE]

entry list shows LINDLEY David/LANGRIDGE Chris as world ranking no. 125, from BWF current ranking list there isn't any no. 125, but there are 2 pairs sharing no. 124, curious...

[hansonlouphers]

Oh once again i had wrong thinking. I thought that Lilyana is doubles specialist. She played WS at pelatnas, Firstly. Shes in good advance then. Since she paired to Nova. She seems found her "way" :)