http://www.internationalbadminton.org/ranking_ms.asp?id=1

I hope this is not a mistake lol.

nope...this is not mistaken...

lcw have more finalist than ld...and yet...1 of ld final is TO...grand prix gold only...less ranking point...

ya, LD didnt play for 2 months for OG training.
Does lcw get ranking point for beating LD at the thomas cup?
does LD's olympic winning count in the ranking point?

ya, LD didnt play for 2 months for OG training.
Does lcw get ranking point for beating LD at the thomas cup?
does LD's olympic winning count in the ranking point?

yes...both yes...

Yup, Lee Chong Wei is current MS world #1 per 21 August/08. Previously LCW also had ever toppled LD as number one player in 2006 (short period).

Do the Olympics count in the ranking? Because before OG wasn't Lin Dan number one?

I hope this time the ranking lasts, not like 2006. Doubt it though.

i agree with lcw being ranked 1st because he's played (and won) more tournaments than ld latley and it's not like you can let the olympics count like a 37 star tournament or something like it:D

but i don't really look at rankings you know

lin dan has proven to be the better player, so be it

yeah, LD being away for a couple of months training for the OG has caused him to drop a few points because he missed a couple of SS events.
i expect him to jump back up to the top again soon though.

yeah, LD being away for a couple of months training for the OG has caused him to drop a few points because he missed a couple of SS events.
i expect him to jump back up to the top again soon though.

yep. he's sure to be back to the top. although i kinda felt good to see LCW in the no.1 spot;)

yep. he's sure to be back to the top. although i kinda felt good to see LCW in the no.1 spot;)

ya, if feels nice like sunlight on your face after years of under LD's shadow:p:p Enjoy it while he can lah because the eclipse will be coming back soon LOL

yeah, LD being away for a couple of months training for the OG has caused him to drop a few points because he missed a couple of SS events.
i expect him to jump back up to the top again soon though.



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What is interesting is, now that he is ranked No.1, LCW will be in the top half of the draw in our next tournament. And LD will be in the bottom half.

So it is good for our next tournament; LCW will meet CJ, while LD will meet BCL, that is assuming all them 4 are playing.

I am also quite sure that many other players will be glad that they are no longer required to meet LCW or LD in their same halves of their draw. :):):)
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What is interesting is, now that he is ranked No.1, LCW will be in the top half of the draw in our next tournament. And LD will be in the bottom half.

So it is good for our next tournament; LCW will meet CJ, while LD will meet BCL, that is assuming all them 4 are playing.

I am also quite sure that many other players will be glad that they are no longer required to meet LCW or LD in their same halves of their draw. :):):)
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I think meeting BCL is probably easier then meeting CJ.

But like it really matter if LD and LCW is on the top or the bottom half of the draw. They're the 2 big guns and the chance of beating them are slim to none so like it matters.

I think meeting BCL is probably easier then meeting CJ.

But like it really matter if LD and LCW is on the top or the bottom half of the draw. They're the 2 big guns and the chance of beating them are slim to none so like it matters.
i do like to see a bcl - lcw match in this JO
bcl's job was to do damage to lcw in the OG but didnt got the chance.
bcl now want to show us not only his bigger brother LD could win over lcw.:p

not necessarily so.
the #1 seed is in the top half, and #2 seed in the bottom, agreed.

#3 and #4 seeds are then normally drawn randomly into the top and bottom, so it's 50-50 who meets who.

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What is interesting is, now that he is ranked No.1, LCW will be in the top half of the draw in our next tournament. And LD will be in the bottom half.

So it is good for our next tournament; LCW will meet CJ, while LD will meet BCL, that is assuming all them 4 are playing.

I am also quite sure that many other players will be glad that they are no longer required to meet LCW or LD in their same halves of their draw. :):):)
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You can take away the world ranking #1 spot, but you can't take away the OG gold medal + the sponsorship money + pension plan from CHN gov't.:p

You can take away the world ranking #1 spot, but you can't take away the OG gold medal + the sponsorship money + pension plan from CHN gov't.:pNod. LD already #1 ranked for years, no big matter anymore. It's not like someone keeping track of this kind of record or has much meaning in prize money

Lin Dan chats with Lee Chong Wei...

LCW: How about I will exchange the WR#1 spot +OG silver medal for your OG gold medal?

LD: That's not enough, you know...

LCW: But you have been WR#1 for so long, don't you want to keep that record going?

LD: Not really... it doesn't matter at all, now that I am the OG gold medalist.

LCW: Okay, how about this? I will even put in my Datuk status... you can then be considered as a Datuk, too + you will get back your WR#1 status + OG silver medal.

LD: I don't live in Malaysia, you know... why would I want to be a Datuk?

LCW: oh... yeah... well... fine, how about WMC?

LD: well... let me think about that...

Next moment, a huge slap across the face from XXF to LD, and another one from WMC to LCW ended the conversation right the way:p

Well done LCW! Win Japan Open and you will ensure that No1 spot will be yours.

Well done LCW! Win Japan Open and you will ensure that No1 spot will be yours.

I think being #1 is going to add more pressure to LCW. I prefer him to stay as #2.

LD has dropped his points as WC 07 winner, 12000 pts
LCW has dropped his points in WC 07 as Quarter Finalist, lost to SDK

LD has dropped his points as WC 07 winner, 12000 pts

LCW has dropped his points in WC 07 as Quarter Finalist, lost to SDK



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Sandy ... Thank you.

You have provided the info as to why LCW has overtaken LD in the World Ranking.

:):):)
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Tekken you are funny

I think being #1 is going to add more pressure to LCW. I prefer him to stay as #2.
More than the num 1 title
he got datuk title,Woman of his life.
he has all the reasons to keep being the best.
Pressure comes and go.But he has the best defence.
Wish him the best luck.

I think being #1 is going to add more pressure to LCW. I prefer him to stay as #2.
i have to agree with this:(

i agree with the earlier post saying that LD doesn't mind being #2 since he has achieved being the Olympic Champion (GOLD)

don't forget LD also gave his lil brother comrade CJ a 08 AE title too.

To lcw fans, enjoy the sun while u can:p

No matter they're in what rank because rank can't be guarantee for them to be winner.....

ranking matters to LCW though, it is one of the determinants of his monthly salary, no?

Rank can be pressure but also can be motivation......

#3 and #4 seeds are then normally drawn randomly into the top and bottom, so it's 50-50 who meets who.



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:o:o:o Sorry if there have been a change in the making of the draw that I have not known.

I have always known that the #1 and #4 seeds are always in the top half of the draw, while the #2 and #3 are always in the bottom half.

Perhaps someone from the BWF can enlighten us on this matter.
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ranking matters to LCW though, it is one of the determinants of his monthly salary, no?

1) That one reason. It's BAM quarterly incentive. If I remember correctly WR#1 & 2 gets same quarterly bonus. #3 & 4 get another amount & so on.
2) The draw for tourneys like what chris@ccc said.

lcw is number 1 ranking in badminton world federation list, why?


http://www.internationalbadminton.org/ranking.asp

You should do a search before opening a new thread. The reason is that LD's points from last year expired, and he hasn't competed for a while, while LCW has. So therefore, LCW has more points than LD, and now LCW is #1

lcw is number 1 ranking in badminton world federation list, why?

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/ranking.asp






You should do a search before opening a new thread.



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:D:D:D Athelete1234 is correct.

A discussion/thread has already been made: click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59457) .
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... its the same thread chriss

thats because they merged the thread

... its the same thread chriss

the mods merged the thread, means bf the last few posts were another thread :D

He's ranked no 1 now?? Wow!!
First, he won silver medal in Beijing Olympics, then he received Datukship and now he is ranked as world's no 1 player.
What a star.... :)

although LCW has manages to topple LD's record over the last couple years, i don't think he'd feel that they were very satisfying ;) i'd think he'd like to earn the WR #1 spot after a huge win over him or something. correct me if i'm wrong, but he hasn't ever been WR#1 before has he? only the time in 06 and now right?

lcw is number 1 ranking in badminton world federation list, why?


http://www.internationalbadminton.org/ranking.asp
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OMG.. I wish this never happen... :crying:
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LCW was beaten easily by Lin Dan @ Beijing Olympics

He's ranked no 1 now?? Wow!!
First, he won silver medal in Beijing Olympics, then he received Datukship and now he is ranked as world's no 1 player.
What a star.... :)

Ya. So great.

Hope that the HH trauma never will happen ON
LCW

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michael23 ... You can go to this thread located at: click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53605)
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Ya. So great.

Hope that the HH trauma never will happen ON
LCW
dont worry , lcw wont get the yoyo disease :D:D:p

He sure enjoying to be number one then. Very good incentive from BAM. The bonus money for being top 5 is good. No one will complain about it. Well done kawan.

He sure enjoying to be number one then. Very good incentive from BAM. The bonus money for being top 5 is good. No one will complain about it. Well done kawan.

Ya. He is probably now the happiest badminton player......:D:D

Ya. He is probably now the happiest badminton player......:D:D
i think lin dan will be a bit happier :D:D cos he won the olympics

i think lin dan will be a bit happier :D:D cos he won the olympics

LDs reward is less than CW, and also no Datukship, also dropped to WR No.2:D

LDs reward is less than CW, and also no Datukship, also dropped to WR No.2:D
1 Datuk does not matter for lin dan as he is chinese not malaysian..
2 lin dan has been wrld number 1 for many years and he can easily win it back by winning the upcoming tournies
3 olympics champion is much greater than world number 1, throughout the year any year you can get to world number 1 but olympics is only once every 4th year.
think man...

1 Datuk does not matter for lin dan as he is chinese not malaysian..
2 lin dan has been wrld number 1 for many years and he can easily win it back by winning the upcoming tournies
3 olympics champion is much greater than world number 1, throughout the year any year you can get to world number 1 but olympics is only once every 4th year.
think man...

AGREE with u :cool:

1 Datuk does not matter for lin dan as he is chinese not malaysian..
2 lin dan has been wrld number 1 for many years and he can easily win it back by winning the upcoming tournies
3 olympics champion is much greater than world number 1, throughout the year any year you can get to world number 1 but olympics is only once every 4th year.
think man...

I agree. Olympic champion is greater than other title.

LD won that Gold medal bcos of help from CJ. (Just watch them play in the semis). But nobody help LCW. He won it (although silver) himself.

Dont involve yourself in the Match-Fixing Arrangement if you really want people to respect u as the 2008 BEIJING OLYMPIC BADMINTON MAN SINGLE'S GOLD MEDAL WINNER.

I agree. Olympic champion is greater than other title.

LD won that Gold medal bcos of help from CJ. (Just watch them play in the semis). But nobody help LCW. He won it (although silver) himself.

Dont involve yourself in the Match-Fixing Arrangement if you really want people to respect u as the 2008 BEIJING OLYMPIC BADMINTON MAN SINGLE'S GOLD MEDAL WINNER.
i must 100% agree with this!!:):rolleyes::rolleyes:

That's why BWF should have some form of control on this to make it fair and square for everyone. If there are players of the same country playing each other in the semis, just boot one out and let another player from another country to take part in the semis. It is already a fact and everyone seems to be keeping a blind eye or denial on this.;)

Else allowing this to happen will kill the game and the respect for players like LD to win big tournament is not there. If this is truly a professional sports, then so be it because the stakes are high and the reward is just too good to let go.

So, BWF need to find a solution to this issue. Perhaps the price money for the booted out semifinalist should go to him (or 80-90%). And the replacement should be entitled to finals rewards; and if he looses, then he should get the qtrfinal and perhaps some percentage of semis share (like 10-20%); just for effort and participating sake.

Hence this eliminates any unfairness towards a country and good for the game. Anyone second this? Who's the petition king here?;) Closing ones eye will impair its credibility.

I agree. Olympic champion is greater than other title.

LD won that Gold medal bcos of help from CJ. (Just watch them play in the semis). But nobody help LCW. He won it (although silver) himself.

Dont involve yourself in the Match-Fixing Arrangement if you really want people to respect u as the 2008 BEIJING OLYMPIC BADMINTON MAN SINGLE'S GOLD MEDAL WINNER.

Smell sour apple...

Don't think this is fair statement... though seen this kinds of excuse many times in the forum, but still like to object to it... cause this would not help LCW's fans to mature, but nourish their habit for looking for excuse like a girl...

hasn't other players include LCW met players of his own country in competitions? could this automatically wipe out the credibility of his subquent victories in the tournament just because he won his own countryman for good?

a win is a win, LD beat LCW to get the gold, LCW lost to LD to get the silver. That's it. No one held LD in the final game...

stand up and face the defeat like a man, work harder and try to beat LD to win a major title like WC. This is the right attitude of a sports' player.

...looking for excuse like a girl...

...stand up and face the defeat like a man...

Hey now... that's hardly fair :p.

That's why BWF should have some form of control on this to make it fair and square for everyone. If there are players of the same country playing each other in the semis, just boot one out and let another player from another country to take part in the semis. It is already a fact and everyone seems to be keeping a blind eye or denial on this.;)

although i can sense an argument will start on this i hope that its not to to big or anything. personally if i was in a tournament and regardless if there was match fixing or not for my country id be pretty pissed that i get kicked out of semis for that. like i dont think that is a good thing to do at all booting one out and puting in somebody else the player that made it to semies well they made it their they beat out the other person.

its like at national tournaments when i end up playing somebody from the same province or city as me its like saying oh you 2 are from the same province or city so were going to boot one of you out and let somebody from some other province/city take your place like no that wouldnt be fair or right at all. i would be pretty mad about that if it happened. same concept just on a smaller scale.

i can see where your comming from yes about how its all planned out already 1 of them will lose to the other on purpose or not so this woudl solve it and would give others a chance to expirence getting to semis but then they would also get more points than they otherwise wouldnt and that isnt fair so yeah, but this solution personally i feel isnt the way to go.

as per back to the topic LCW only has about 1500 more points and that can easily be made up by lin dan by winning one tournament.

Smell sour apple...

Don't think this is fair statement... though seen this kinds of excuse many times in the forum, but still like to object to it... cause this would not help LCW's fans to mature, but nourish their habit for looking for excuse like a girl...

hasn't other players include LCW met players of his own country in competitions? could this automatically wipe out the credibility of his subquent victories in the tournament just because he won his own countryman for good?

a win is a win, LD beat LCW to get the gold, LCW lost to LD to get the silver. That's it. No one held LD in the final game...

stand up and face the defeat like a man, work harder and try to beat LD to win a major title like WC. This is the right attitude of a sports' player.

CHN is arranging the match result. And they always practise it. Would you deny on this open secret?

I feel sick because not of the defeat of LCW's in the final against the ''champion'' LD, it's bcos of the Match Fixing Arrangement by CHN. (I bet u didnt watch that game - LD VS. CJ in the semis)

Be a professional player, play professionally.

As LCW's fan, i am very proud of his success in Olympic. (except the Datuk-ship) He play like a man. He fight like a man, a true professional badminton player.

LD and other CHN player? MATCH FIXING ARRANGEMENT.

They are Badminton sport's MAFIA!!

As LCW's fan, i am very proud of his success in Olympic. (except the Datuk-ship) He play like a man. He fight like a man, a true professional badminton player.

surprisely...dato is lcw fans...^^...i though is HH fans...:D...peace

I believe ethics is the most important element in a professional athlete, including a badminton player. IMHO, world ranking is just to tell everyone how many titles have you won, and not how good you are as an OVERALL BADMINTON PLAYER. The word OVERALL includes your spirit in court, your ethics etc, and not only your skills.

Similarly, LCW is now world no. 1 because he participated in more tournaments compared to LD. It doesn't really mean much IMHO.

However, previously when LD is ranked world no. 1, I too don't feel that he is the BEST player in the world due to his attitude (just my personal opinion, don't fire me please ^^).

surprisely...dato is lcw fans...^^...i though is HH fans...:D...peace

HH is malaysian idol. Everybody in the country loves him:D:D

CHN is arranging the match result. And they always practise it. Would you deny on this open secret?

I would as I have no proof one way or the other, have you?

I feel sick because not of the defeat of LCW's in the final against the ''champion'' LD, it's bcos of the Match Fixing Arrangement by CHN. (I bet u didnt watch that game - LD VS. CJ in the semis)

just imagine if LCW is also from CHN and everyone will shout 'cheat' as no way the world no 2 could lost so poorly and not even trying, must be team order from the top.

Be a professional player, play professionally.

As LCW's fan, i am very proud of his success in Olympic. (except the Datuk-ship) He play like a man. He fight like a man, a true professional badminton player.

that's the problem, for most people to be second in the final are failures. silver is the compensation for loser. if you call the loser in the final as success, what incentives are there for him to becomes more successful?
that might sounded a bit harsh but until your badmintion association realised that you will never produce a world beater.

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HH is malaysian idol. Everybody in the country loves him:D:D

can he beat anwar or siti nurhaliza in national voting???:p

can he beat anwar or siti nurhaliza in national voting???:p

Maybe. He is policeman.

Imagine how many backup he got. :D:D

CHN is arranging the match result. And they always practise it. Would you deny on this open secret?

I feel sick because not of the defeat of LCW's in the final against the ''champion'' LD, it's bcos of the Match Fixing Arrangement by CHN. (I bet u didnt watch that game - LD VS. CJ in the semis)

Be a professional player, play professionally.

As LCW's fan, i am very proud of his success in Olympic. (except the Datuk-ship) He play like a man. He fight like a man, a true professional badminton player.

LD and other CHN player? MATCH FIXING ARRANGEMENT.

They are Badminton sport's MAFIA!!

[CHN is arranging the match result. And they always practise it. Would you deny on this open secret?]
- Then get the proof and report to the police... :)

[I feel sick because not of the defeat of LCW's in the final against the ''champion'' LD, it's bcos of the Match Fixing Arrangement by CHN. (I bet u didnt watch that game - LD VS. CJ in the semis)]
- You feel sick because China won everything and you feel sour about LCW's loss. How much have you bet? I did watch the game! Imagine if it is LCW vs WCH in the semi, which do you think Rexy would expect to win and go on to face LD in the final? Then when WCH lost to LCW, could I say it's match fixing? And how do you know CJ could surely beat LD in that match?

[Be a professional player, play professionally.]
- How do you interpret "professional"? Swimmers & Runners would save energy in prelim, and only put their 100% in the final; Some national football teams may get a draw instead of a sure win in the prelim for a better chance in the elimination round of WC final... would you call the players not playing professionally? Like it or not, this is call "playing professionally smart", as long as they are not against any law nor anyone's will. Moreover, if CJ choose to put his patriotism on top of his winning desire, that's his personal choice. He was extremely happy with the Bronze medal if you have watched the prize-giving ceremony.

[As LCW's fan, i am very proud of his success in Olympic. (except the Datuk-ship) He play like a man. He fight like a man, a true professional badminton player.]
- agree that LCW fight like a man and did not complain for the loss. But I'm disappointed that his fans disgrace him by not facing his loss like a man, but finding excuses that disgracing his fellow badminton sportsmans.

CHN is arranging the match result. And they always practise it. Would you deny on this open secret?

I feel sick because not of the defeat of LCW's in the final against the ''champion'' LD, it's bcos of the Match Fixing Arrangement by CHN. (I bet u didnt watch that game - LD VS. CJ in the semis)

Be a professional player, play professionally.

As LCW's fan, i am very proud of his success in Olympic. (except the Datuk-ship) He play like a man. He fight like a man, a true professional badminton player.

LD and other CHN player? MATCH FIXING ARRANGEMENT.

They are Badminton sport's MAFIA!!

[CHN is arranging the match result. And they always practise it. Would you deny on this open secret?]
- Then get the proof and report to the police... :)

[I feel sick because not of the defeat of LCW's in the final against the ''champion'' LD, it's bcos of the Match Fixing Arrangement by CHN. (I bet u didnt watch that game - LD VS. CJ in the semis)]
- You feel sick because China won everything and you feel sour about LCW's loss. How much have you bet? I did watch the game! Imagine if it is LCW vs WCH in the semi, which do you think Rexy would expect to win and go on to face LD in the final? Then when WCH lost to LCW, could I say it's match fixing? And how do you know CJ could surely beat LD in that match?

[Be a professional player, play professionally.]
- How do you interpret "professional"? Swimmers & Runners would save energy in prelim, and only put their 100% in the final; Some national football teams may get a draw instead of a sure win in the prelim for a better chance in the elimination round of WC final... would you call the players not playing professionally? Like it or not, this is call "playing professionally smart", as long as they are not against any law nor anyone's will. Moreover, if CJ choose to put his patriotism on top of his winning desire, that's his personal choice. He was extremely happy with the Bronze medal if you have watched the prize-giving ceremony.

[As LCW's fan, i am very proud of his success in Olympic. (except the Datuk-ship) He play like a man. He fight like a man, a true professional badminton player.]
- agree that LCW fight like a man and did not complain for the loss. But I'm disappointed that his fans disgrace him by not facing his loss like a man, but finding excuses that disgracing his fellow badminton sportsmans.

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[CHN is arranging the match result. And they always practise it. Would you deny on this open secret?]
- Then get the proof and report to the police... :)

[I feel sick because not of the defeat of LCW's in the final against the ''champion'' LD, it's bcos of the Match Fixing Arrangement by CHN. (I bet u didnt watch that game - LD VS. CJ in the semis)]
- You feel sick because China won everything and you feel sour about LCW's loss. How much have you bet? I did watch the game! Imagine if it is LCW vs WCH in the semi, which do you think Rexy would expect to win and go on to face LD in the final? Then when WCH lost to LCW, could I say it's match fixing? And how do you know CJ could surely beat LD in that match?

[Be a professional player, play professionally.]
- How do you interpret "professional"? Swimmers & Runners would save energy in prelim, and only put their 100% in the final; Some national football teams may get a draw instead of a sure win in the prelim for a better chance in the elimination round of WC final... would you call the players not playing professionally? Like it or not, this is call "playing professionally smart", as long as they are not against any law nor anyone's will. Moreover, if CJ choose to put his patriotism on top of his winning desire, that's his personal choice. He was extremely happy with the Bronze medal if you have watched the prize-giving ceremony.

[As LCW's fan, i am very proud of his success in Olympic. (except the Datuk-ship) He play like a man. He fight like a man, a true professional badminton player.]
- agree that LCW fight like a man and did not complain for the loss. But I'm disappointed that his fans disgrace him by not facing his loss like a man, but finding excuses that disgracing his fellow badminton sportsmans.

1. Whether WCH or LCW win in the semi (as your assumption above), it's none of the business of Rexy, bcos he incharged of MD's and not Singles.

2. Swimmer and football is individual event. U cant see France National Football Team A and Team B participating in the WC. In the matter of ''PLAYING PROFESSIONALLY SMART'', this is to depend on how people judge and also the authority on how they handle the things. You can win a match with respect from the audience or you can win the match with dirty tricks (or similiar to you ''playing professionally smart'' theory). U see the thing's clear, but i see as dirty. It's personal view of point.

3. I am not finding excuses on the lost of LCW's against LD in the final. What i am sick of is the MATCH FIXING ARRANGEMENT in the semis.

... agree that LCW fight like a man and did not complain for the loss. But I'm disappointed that his fans disgrace him by not facing his loss like a man, but finding excuses that disgracing his fellow badminton sportsmans.



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:D:D:D Don't be so disturbed Jonc 108 ... You have to understand that most fans are always favoring their idol over other players.

I thought I read somewhere quoting that LCW did say that, after losing his Badminton Gold Medal Match at the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games, that LD was just too fast and just too good for him in that match.

LCW did not try to find any excuses for losing, but to credit LD for playing so well.

I would say that LCW has always been very honest and truthful in what he has said.

:):):)
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yeah, lcw did stated that after losing his Badminton Gold Medal Match at the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games, that LD was just too fast and just too good for him in that match.
and he did not find any excuses with his lost..
and he also stated that lost is a lost.

I agree. Olympic champion is greater than other title.

LD won that Gold medal bcos of help from CJ. (Just watch them play in the semis). But nobody help LCW. He won it (although silver) himself.

Dont involve yourself in the Match-Fixing Arrangement if you really want people to respect u as the 2008 BEIJING OLYMPIC BADMINTON MAN SINGLE'S GOLD MEDAL WINNER.

Wow, spot on ! The observation is something i missed. A Lin Dan who had fought equally hard at the semis may not have performed the way he performed at the finals ..

I agree. Olympic champion is greater than other title.

LD won that Gold medal bcos of help from CJ. (Just watch them play in the semis). But nobody help LCW. He won it (although silver) himself.

Dont involve yourself in the Match-Fixing Arrangement if you really want people to respect u as the 2008 BEIJING OLYMPIC BADMINTON MAN SINGLE'S GOLD MEDAL WINNER.

If you watched the matches. LD spent more energy defeat CJ than LCW. How can you still say it is CJ that throw the match, and not LCW?

I agree. Olympic champion is greater than other title.

LD won that Gold medal bcos of help from CJ. (Just watch them play in the semis). But nobody help LCW. He won it (although silver) himself.

Dont involve yourself in the Match-Fixing Arrangement if you really want people to respect u as the 2008 BEIJING OLYMPIC BADMINTON MAN SINGLE'S GOLD MEDAL WINNER.

How do you determine that someone throw a match? By time spend on the court? by points scored? Or just because they are from the same country?

If by time or scores? They are many players lose to LD faster and score lower, including LCW.

Maybe there should be a new thread open on this and discuss. Since this is a forum for anyone to suggest for the better of badminton in world sports. So far I don't think it is a fully professional sports as yet. Players pay check still comes from the government body and dictated by them (mostly in Asia).

Eg. raise some cases of semis match fixing; why? When? who? This can be in any sports and how they eliminate such issues. I believe, this issue is more heated during semis. In finals or qtr who cares correct?

This issue is going to be happening again no matter what. It is good to let some BWF people or the president himself to clarify the issue (if there is one) or get it fixed (professionally as a concerned world governing body).

Lets have a discussion and hope to bring it to the BWF members. No need to kill each other in this forum or get too stressed about it. Cool?;)

The more the forumers/fans talk about it, BWF will need to act eventually (hopefully proactive instead of reactive). Their credibility will be at stake if nothing is done and let this keep on happening. Let TRUE professional spirit and democracy rules (I hope).;)

LDs reward is less than CW

the amount of endorsement and advertising now available to Lin Dan is so much that lee's rewards seem pathetic compared to what Lin Dan is getting. it doesn't have to be straight money.

There is no end to comparisons. Almost everything is relative. The Chinese gold medallists received USD51K each. The Macau govt. chipped in with HKD10.6m for all the gold medallists. Endorsement & advertising fees will add to their wallets.

So what is 'Datukship' to these Chinese. I was told that if you throw a stone in Malaysia these days at crowd along a street, that stone will probably hit a 'Datuk'. Haa...ha.. Dato Asbullah ..do watch out.

Didn't ppl say that LD threw the AE 08 final match away to CJ ? He was 'supposed' to win. Now at the Olympics ppl say CJ threw the semi-final match away. Now who is supposed to win?????

the amount of endorsement and advertising now available to Lin Dan is so much that lee's rewards seem pathetic compared to what Lin Dan is getting. it doesn't have to be straight money.
one should compare apple with apple, ie. gov't rewards between lcw and LD.

LD got some money, yes, but lcw got more money plus a datuk title.
what LD got from outside of badminton is different. LD is already a well sponsored since he lost at 04 athen, well before him winning the gold medal.

Also, if u look at all other chinese gold medalists, they all got standard amount of money from the gov't, majority have no commercial deals like LD.

one should compare apple with apple, ie. gov't rewards between lcw and LD.

LD got some money, yes, but lcw got more money plus a datuk title.
what LD got from outside of badminton is different. LD is already a well sponsored since he lost at 04 athen, well before him winning the gold medal.

Also, if u look at all other chinese gold medalists, they all got standard amount of money from the gov't, majority have no commercial deals like LD.
I guessed U;ve missed out GuoJingJing / Huo Liang etc...;)

I guessed U;ve missed out GuoJingJing / Huo Liang etc...;)

ok, LD, guojingjing, huo liang, anymore?

china has 51 gold and 21 silver medalists.

If you watched the matches. LD spent more energy defeat CJ than LCW. How can you still say it is CJ that throw the match, and not LCW?
By how they play the match compared to their 'normal' play.Apparently, there was a 92-stroke rally for the second point? Apparently, BBC (and other non-CHN) commentators felt it looked unreal?
I could not believe that CHN would display its cowardice for the whole wide Olympics world to see, just to increase the advantage of securing the gold and bronze.
How do you infer that LD spent more energy to defeat CJ than LCW? By total match time?
There are basically two types of energy used in a match;
1) physical.Does 60 mins of strolling use up more energy than 40 mins of intense changes of speed?
2) mental.If your match outcome has been decided,then no mental energy needed to be used up.So both CJ and LD have surplus mental energy going into their medal matches compared to LCW and LHI. In other words, CJ and LD have a 2-match mental energy reserve vs their opponents' one-match supply.Looking at how LD thrashed LCW, LYB should have the confidence of letting both CHN MS play a real match.LD would most probably still win the gold because his match preparations were way better than LCW.But then CJ may not have won the bronze,,,,,,So CHn traded in their credibility for an extra bronze which probably made no difference to CHN's total match tally.
Quite a high price for CHn to pay;to have instilled in unaware minds that CHN probably won their MS medals with some deceit.But that helps keep LYB in his job which to him is probably more important than CHN's image.

By how they play the match compared to their 'normal' play.Apparently, there was a 92-stroke rally for the second point? Apparently, BBC (and other non-CHN) commentators felt it looked unreal?
I could not believe that CHN would display its cowardice for the whole wide Olympics world to see, just to increase the advantage of securing the gold and bronze.
How do you infer that LD spent more energy to defeat CJ than LCW? By total match time?
There are basically two types of energy used in a match;
1) physical.Does 60 mins of strolling use up more energy than 40 mins of intense changes of speed?
2) mental.If your match outcome has been decided,then no mental energy needed to be used up.So both CJ and LD have surplus mental energy going into their medal matches compared to LCW and LHI. In other words, CJ and LD have a 2-match mental energy reserve vs their opponents' one-match supply.Looking at how LD thrashed LCW, LYB should have the confidence of letting both CHN MS play a real match.LD would most probably still win the gold because his match preparations were way better than LCW.But then CJ may not have won the bronze,,,,,,So CHn traded in their credibility for an extra bronze which probably made no difference to CHN's total match tally.
Quite a high price for CHn to pay;to have instilled in unaware minds that CHN probably won their MS medals with some deceit.But that helps keep LYB in his job which to him is probably more important than CHN's image.

china image to the world is 51 gold, and for SG, zero gold.
So ur saying SG absence of gold because your athleties competed honorablely? LOL
u should stop spewing sourgrape before your image is tarnished further.

Rallies between LD and CJ were long and look fixed because they both know each other footwork and strokes, and both have good stamina, and both have good mental strength. On the LD vs LCW OG final match, LD and lyb did their homework while misbun and lcw obviously have no backup plan. Lcw frozed like a deer fixiated oncoming headlights, both misbun and lcw got ran over by lin dan.(misbun looked dazed as well) It is the great mental strength that u have astuted on LCW, LOL.
Please.. stop giving us game analysis, u r embarassing other singaporians which i know they have better judgement

more max fixing debates..

just for the ppls claiming about physical exertion and mental exertion... players are given over 36 hours to rest and for athletes that train at least 8 hours a day, 6 days a week... with 2 nights of sleep and resting, dont use their effort as an excuse to their explain later performance especially when most of them actually train lightly the next day to help sore muscles recover pretty much like how Micheal Phelps swims right after his races

also if tennis players can endure 3 hours + games and then do the same thing the next day im pretty sure that badminton players can do the same

LCW wasnt exhausted during his game against LD, he was completly lost and confused facing someone he didnt see in a lil while which has improved so much and in terms of determination, LD had a lot more.

Maybe there should be a new thread open on this and discuss. Since this is a forum for anyone to suggest for the better of badminton in world sports. So far I don't think it is a fully professional sports as yet. Players pay check still comes from the government body and dictated by them (mostly in Asia).

Eg. raise some cases of semis match fixing; why? When? who? This can be in any sports and how they eliminate such issues. I believe, this issue is more heated during semis. In finals or qtr who cares correct?

This issue is going to be happening again no matter what. It is good to let some BWF people or the president himself to clarify the issue (if there is one) or get it fixed (professionally as a concerned world governing body).

Lets have a discussion and hope to bring it to the BWF members. No need to kill each other in this forum or get too stressed about it. Cool?;)

The more the forumers/fans talk about it, BWF will need to act eventually (hopefully proactive instead of reactive). Their credibility will be at stake if nothing is done and let this keep on happening. Let TRUE professional spirit and democracy rules (I hope).;)

I am sad to see that this good forum of badminton always flood with im-mature fans, who have a habit of accusing whoever beat their favourite players with disgraceful grounds, like cheating, match-fixing... instead of reviewing the matches from technical points of view for the sake of the sports of badminton.

Badminton would be killed by this kind of fans, not by BWF, not by LYB, not be anyone else.

For the sport of badminton to flourish and enjoy more coverage in the world, we need some stardom like other sports such as tennis and golf.

Like it or not, LD does bring more excitement and made badminton more spectacular than LCW. So pls do not disgrace any players by un-sound means, as long as they win on the court by rackets, not by guns or money.

Badminton would be killed by this kind of fans, not by BWF, not by LYB, not be anyone else.

ok...we know zn is the match fixing champion in athens...by this year...u can make sure lyb will not say that in london(admit match fixing between ld and cj)???;)

ok...we know zn is the match fixing champion in athens...by this year...u can make sure lyb will not say that in london(admit match fixing between ld and cj)???;)
In Athens,only those at courtside could see the match so the damage was limited. For Beijing,badminton coverage was pretty extensive,both in terms of airtime and worldwide TV audience, so the damage would be significant in the minds of many,many more badminton fans.(SS and WC tournament coverage are also relatively limited) (In tennis, they are quick to act on such match behaviour.Eg,Davydenko was hauled up for grilling on suspicion of 'not trying hard enough!' I'm not sure whether it's in the tennis rules but they can see the potential damage to tennis if it's not fixed promptly.Tennis fans would not stand for the kind of nonsense seen here in badminton.)

In Athens,only those at courtside could see the match so the damage was limited. For Beijing,badminton coverage was pretty extensive,both in terms of airtime and worldwide TV audience, so the damage would be significant in the minds of many,many more badminton fans.(SS and WC tournament coverage are also relatively limited) (In tennis, they are quick to act on such match behaviour.Eg,Davydenko was hauled up for grilling on suspicion of 'not trying hard enough!' I'm not sure whether it's in the tennis rules but they can see the potential damage to tennis if it's not fixed promptly.Tennis fans would not stand for the kind of nonsense seen here in badminton.)


The way LCW lost to LD, I would question that there might be some fixing of the match there as even Ng Wei gave LD a much harder time.:rolleyes: Would you like me to send you the link to download the match between LD and Ng Wei?;)

I am sad to see that this good forum of badminton always flood with im-mature fans, who have a habit of accusing whoever beat their favourite players with disgraceful grounds, like cheating, match-fixing... instead of reviewing the matches from technical points of view for the sake of the sports of badminton.

Badminton would be killed by this kind of fans, not by BWF, not by LYB, not be anyone else.

For the sport of badminton to flourish and enjoy more coverage in the world, we need some stardom like other sports such as tennis and golf.

Like it or not, LD does bring more excitement and made badminton more spectacular than LCW. So pls do not disgrace any players by un-sound means, as long as they win on the court by rackets, not by guns or money.

It is hard for some badminton fans to listen to the truth.

1. Whether WCH or LCW win in the semi (as your assumption above), it's none of the business of Rexy, bcos he incharged of MD's and not Singles.

2. Swimmer and football is individual event. U cant see France National Football Team A and Team B participating in the WC. In the matter of ''PLAYING PROFESSIONALLY SMART'', this is to depend on how people judge and also the authority on how they handle the things. You can win a match with respect from the audience or you can win the match with dirty tricks (or similiar to you ''playing professionally smart'' theory). U see the thing's clear, but i see as dirty. It's personal view of point.

3. I am not finding excuses on the lost of LCW's against LD in the final. What i am sick of is the MATCH FIXING ARRANGEMENT in the semis.
yea? it didn't even matter, LIN DAN HAMMERED LEE CHONG WEI. LIKE DESTROYED OUT OF THIS WORLD. 18-4 at one point? I bet you LD gave LCW those last few points too. LCW should be LD's slave now to repay LD for not humuliating him as much.

yea? it didn't even matter, LIN DAN HAMMERED LEE CHONG WEI. LIKE DESTROYED OUT OF THIS WORLD. 18-4 at one point? I bet you LD gave LCW those last few points too. LCW should be LD's slave now to repay LD for not humuliating him as much.

Wow. humiliating? It's a shame to play against CHN player whose tolerance with MATCH FIXING ARRANGEMENT.

The way LCW lost to LD, I would question that there might be some fixing of the match there as even Ng Wei gave LD a much harder time.:rolleyes: Would you like me to send you the link to download the match between LD and Ng Wei?;)

oh, don't forget the LD versus peter gade match too. Gade_supporter had created a thread just to make this point, that peter gade gave LD a much harder time and taken more points from LD than LCW did against LD. He said peter should be a bronze or a silver medalist. Maybe PG versus LD match was fixed too, lol. According to pjswift, those longer rallies between LD and PG aren't really energy intensive, just some long but low energy rallies, lol.

LD beat PG, 21-13, 21-16 /45 mins
LD beat lcw 21-12, 21-8 / 41 mins

ok, LD, guojingjing, huo liang, anymore?

china has 51 gold and 21 silver medalists.

Yao Ming , Liu Xiang??

Gade_supporter had created a thread just to make this point, that peter gade gave LD a much harder time and taken more points from LD than LCW did against LD. He said peter should be a bronze or a silver medalist.

LD beat PG, 21-13, 21-16 /45 mins
LD beat lcw 21-12, 21-8 / 41 mins



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IMHO, LD feared playing LCW more than playing PG at the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games. And because of this, LD allowed PG "more breathing space".

But when LD played LCW, LD went 'All Out'. That's why the match between LCW and LD was shorter (although by not much, just 4 minutes).

Unfortunately for PG's fans, PG was not seeded higher (because of his unfortunate injury). Otherwise, PG could , IMHO, win a medal as well.

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IMHO, LD feared playing LCW more than playing PG at the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games. And because of this, LD allowed PG "more breathing space".

But when LD played LCW, LD went 'All Out'. That's why the match between LCW and LD was shorter (although by not much, just 4 minutes).

Unfortunately for PG's fans, PG was not seeded higher (because of his unfortunate injury). Otherwise, PG could , IMHO, win a medal as well.

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"ALL OUT" against LCW... yeah LD did do that, but that was not even necessary at all.

Would you like me to send you the link to download the PG vs LD match?

In that match, Gade was playing well... even better than LCW was.
LD was much faster than Gade just like LD was much faster than LCW was, but Gade adapted to it, and therefore gave LD a tougher time. If Gade could've retained his composure in the second half of the second set, he could've taken the second set... but of course he didn't.:crying:

There were times in the match where Gade had LD frozen with his deceptive shots... I didn't see any of that by LCW at all.:rolleyes: may be 1 cross court smash at 7-2 in the first set, and that's about it.:rolleyes:

"ALL OUT" against LCW... yeah LD did do that, but that was not even necessary at all.

Would you like me to send you the link to download the PG vs LD match?

In that match, Gade was playing well... even better than LCW was.
LD was much faster than Gade just like LD was much faster than LCW was, but Gade adapted to it, and therefore gave LD a tougher time. If Gade could've retained his composure in the second half of the second set, he could've taken the second set... but of course he didn't.:crying:

There were times in the match where Gade had LD frozen with his deceptive shots... I didn't see any of that by LCW at all.:rolleyes: may be 1 cross court smash at 7-2 in the first set, and that's about it.:rolleyes:

This implies that you're one of those who think that PG deserved the medal more than Lee CW?:confused:

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News article from The Star Online today, Sunday 7-Sep-2008: click here (http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2008/9/7/sports/22261052&sec=sports)

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Badminton: Lee’s missions

By RAJES PAUL

KUALA LUMPUR: National shuttler Lee Chong Wei has never won a title when ranked as world No. 1.

He has a chance to set the record straight when he competes in the Japan Open, which will be held in Tokyo from Sept 16-21.

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2008/9/7/sports/s_62chongwei.jpg Chong Wei: Has held to the No. 1 spot for a second consecutive week.

In 2006, Chong Wei took part in the Macau Open as the top seed and the world No. 1 but failed to justify his status when he lost to China’s Lin Dan in the final.

His coach Datuk Misbun Sidek, however, is looking beyond the Japan Open.

Misbun wants Chong Wei to be the first Malaysian player to maintain his world No. 1 ranking for a long time, although he knows it won’t be easy.

His former charges – Rashid Sidek and Mohd Roslin Hashim –also reached the No. 1 spot but only for a brief spell.

Chong Wei, he said, would have to work hard on two areas of his game if he wanted to extend his stay at the top spot, which had been dominated by Olympic champion Lin Dan for about two years.

“Not only must Chong Wei be able to handle the pressure that I will put on him in training but he must also improve his physical condition,” said Misbun at Stadium Juara in Bukit Kiara yesterday.

“It is good that Chong Wei has held on to the No. 1 spot for a second consecutive week. But it is important that he maintains it for a longer period. It will be difficult to climb up the ladder again if he drops down the rankings.”

Misbun was all smiles when talking about Chong Wei’s attitude towards training, although the shuttler had been kept busy with so many functions since returning as the silver medallist from the Beijing Olympic Games.

“He is not at his best physical condition. He is still tired. But I admire his spirit. He has been demanding for more in training. The pace of training will pick up from Monday,” said Misbun.

“It is a delight to see Chong Wei handling all this (the fame after winning the silver medal for the first time in 12 years for the country) very well. He is humble.”

At the Japan Open, defending champion Chong Wei’s first real test will come in the quarter-finals against Simon Santoso of Indonesia. Also in the same half with the Malaysian is another Indonesian, Taufik Hidayat.

In the lower half are second seed Sony Dwi Kuncoro of Indonesia, China’s Chen Yu and Peter Gade-Christensen of Denmark.

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Could it be a LCW vs PG Final ?

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This implies that you're one of those who think that PG deserved the medal more than Lee CW?:confused:

No... this ONLY implies that I think Peter Gade played better than LCW did during the Olympics. Plus Lin Dan did play at a higher level than usual while playing against both Gade and LCW. That's all.

Yet, too much assumption and imagination on your part...

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News article from The Star Online today, Sunday 7-Sep-2008: click here (http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2008/9/7/sports/22261052&sec=sports)

====== * ====== start article ====== * ======

Badminton: Lee’s missions

By RAJES PAUL

KUALA LUMPUR: National shuttler Lee Chong Wei has never won a title when ranked as world No. 1.

He has a chance to set the record straight when he competes in the Japan Open, which will be held in Tokyo from Sept 16-21.

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2008/9/7/sports/s_62chongwei.jpg Chong Wei: Has held to the No. 1 spot for a second consecutive week.

In 2006, Chong Wei took part in the Macau Open as the top seed and the world No. 1 but failed to justify his status when he lost to China’s Lin Dan in the final.

His coach Datuk Misbun Sidek, however, is looking beyond the Japan Open.

Misbun wants Chong Wei to be the first Malaysian player to maintain his world No. 1 ranking for a long time, although he knows it won’t be easy.

His former charges – Rashid Sidek and Mohd Roslin Hashim –also reached the No. 1 spot but only for a brief spell.

Chong Wei, he said, would have to work hard on two areas of his game if he wanted to extend his stay at the top spot, which had been dominated by Olympic champion Lin Dan for about two years.

“Not only must Chong Wei be able to handle the pressure that I will put on him in training but he must also improve his physical condition,” said Misbun at Stadium Juara in Bukit Kiara yesterday.

“It is good that Chong Wei has held on to the No. 1 spot for a second consecutive week. But it is important that he maintains it for a longer period. It will be difficult to climb up the ladder again if he drops down the rankings.”

Misbun was all smiles when talking about Chong Wei’s attitude towards training, although the shuttler had been kept busy with so many functions since returning as the silver medallist from the Beijing Olympic Games.

“He is not at his best physical condition. He is still tired. But I admire his spirit. He has been demanding for more in training. The pace of training will pick up from Monday,” said Misbun.

“It is a delight to see Chong Wei handling all this (the fame after winning the silver medal for the first time in 12 years for the country) very well. He is humble.”

At the Japan Open, defending champion Chong Wei’s first real test will come in the quarter-finals against Simon Santoso of Indonesia. Also in the same half with the Malaysian is another Indonesian, Taufik Hidayat.

In the lower half are second seed Sony Dwi Kuncoro of Indonesia, China’s Chen Yu and Peter Gade-Christensen of Denmark.

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Could it be a LCW vs PG Final ?

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The highlighted part is absolutely funny... if the ranking points has not made any kind of adjustment(may be except for some really low ranking players) since there had not been a REAL tournament in the last couple of weeks, then of course LCW can keep his ranking for a total of "2" weeks.:rolleyes: It takes no effort on LCW's part, and the comment is nothing more than a joke.

“It is a delight to see Chong Wei handling all this (the fame after winning the silver medal for the first time in 12 years for the country) very well. He is humble.”

The first Hong Kong Olympics GOLD medalist in history probably didn't receive as much fame for winning the gold compare to LCW with a silver. :rolleyes:

The highlighted part is absolutely funny... if the ranking points has not made any kind of adjustment(may be except for some really low ranking players) since there had not been a REAL tournament in the last couple of weeks, then of course LCW can keep his ranking for a total of "2" weeks.:rolleyes: It takes no effort on LCW's part, and the comment is nothing more than a joke.



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Is it a mistake for LCW to elect to play when LD elects not to play?

:D:D:D bananakid ... Very surprised in what you have mentioned in your last post.

Everyone here at Badminton Central knows that the World Ranking is based on the points gained by players when they have played well when participating in tournaments. When players elect not to participate, they get "Love Point".

Look at the coming Japan 2008, LD has decided not to participate. LD has elected to not to gain points again.

So why do we have to ridicule LCW? :confused::confused::confused:

LCW will move further up in points. And he will be World No.1 for a longer period.

Are you suggesting that LCW should not participate whenever LD is not participating?

There are many higher ranked players in the world who could be beaten by lower ranked players. Should we be ridiculing all these higher ranked players?

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Is it a mistake for LCW to elect to play when LD elects not to play?

:D:D:D bananakid ... Very surprised in what you have mentioned in your last post.

Everyone here at Badminton Central knows that the World Ranking is based on the points gained by players when they have played well when participating in tournaments. When players elect not to participate, they get "Love Point".

Look at the coming Japan 2008, LD has decided not to participate. LD has elected to not to gain points again.

So why do we have to ridicule LCW? :confused::confused::confused:

LCW will move further up in points. And he will be World No.1 for a longer period.

Are you suggesting that LCW should not participate whenever LD is not participating?

There are many higher ranked players in the world who could be beaten by lower ranked players. Should we be ridiculing all these higher ranked players?

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I don't know if it is my poor English, or something else is wrong here... but somehow you completely misunderstood my post.

All that I said was that there had not been a tournament between end of Olympics and NOW(September 7th, 2008 Canada time), so of course LCW could have maintained his #1 spot since nobody's ranking point has changed, but then Misbun made it sound like it was nice that LCW could have kept it for two weeks(which nothing had happened at all)... Does this clarify things at all? or do I need to explain again?:confused:

I don't know if it is my poor English, or something else is wrong here... but somehow you completely misunderstood my post.

All that I said was that there had not been a tournament between end of Olympics and NOW(September 7th, 2008 Canada time), so of course LCW could have maintained his #1 spot since nobody's ranking point has changed, but then Misbun made it sound like it was nice that LCW could have kept it for two weeks(which nothing had happened at all)... Does this clarify things at all? or do I need to explain again?:confused:



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Sorry bananakid ... You are correct. There is something wrong here with the word "week". :D

Actually, I read it as “It is good that Chong Wei has held on to the No. 1 spot for a second consecutive tournament".

Sometimes I don't read by the words, but by the ideas. :o

I am quite sure that the reporter has made a typo. I am sure that Misbun was saying that he's glad that LCW can hold on to "the No.1 spot for a second consecutive tournament"; Because he went to say "But it is important that he maintains it for a longer period. It will be difficult to climb up the ladder again if he drops down the rankings.”

Misbun should know that the rankings would only go up/down in tournaments, and that the weekly rankings would not change if there are no tournaments played.

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All that can be done is whine, cry & doubt but that won't change historical facts - TH, a one-time WC & OC and LD, a 3-time AEC, 2-time WC & current OC. And these two players have brought much international media interest to badminton. Go look & read the recent Time mag., these are probably the only 2 badminton players whom Time mag think there is space worth their mention. It's time, B'cers come out of the box and be subjective.

All that can be done is whine, cry & doubt but that won't change historical facts - TH, a one-time WC & OC and LD, a 3-time AEC, 2-time WC & current OC. And these two players have brought much international media interest to badminton. Go look & read the recent Time mag., these are probably the only 2 badminton players whom Time mag think there is space worth their mention. It's time, B'cers come out of the box and be subjective.
What do you mean by 'be subjective'?
And you regard Time magazine as an authority on badminton?
I don't know about its US edition but Time's Asia edition have often fallen short on Asian features.One of its most famous is its feature on 'Asian faces to watch...'Former MAS Deputy Prime Minister Musa Hitam was listed as one of them and guess what happened to him? Maybe he got jinxed by Time. And there were many others who did not live up to Time's tales.When an ex-colleague ,known for getting full credit for work done by others, got a full page feature, it dawned on me Time's space may be not worth much in spite of its circulation.
However I'm delighted badminton got coverage through LD and TH . I'm also happy for you that you judge badminton aces by their badminton credentials because that's the easiest way to do it, just as Time did.

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Sorry bananakid ... You are correct. There is something wrong here with the word "week". :D

Actually, I read it as “It is good that Chong Wei has held on to the No. 1 spot for a second consecutive tournament".

Sometimes I don't read by the words, but by the ideas. :o

I am quite sure that the reporter has made a typo. I am sure that Misbun was saying that he's glad that LCW can hold on to "the No.1 spot for a second consecutive tournament"; Because he went to say "But it is important that he maintains it for a longer period. It will be difficult to climb up the ladder again if he drops down the rankings.”


Misbun's (unedited?) comment suggests he does not quite understand how ranking points work.So too with other non-CHN coaches.It's easier for LCW to climb up the rankings than to stay no 1.In JO07, LCW was seeded no.4? and he took out HH, RS, CJ, LD and TH to win the title.It's easier to beat CHN MS in earlier rounds before they have the opportunity to play LYB's games.That's why KOR MS seem not bothered about maintaining their rankings.
A high ranking is a reflection of consistency.It means the player participates in a fair number of top level tournaments and does well in (almost)all of them.
They are still vulnerable to lower ranked players (like LHI) who plays less often but can match and defeat them when motivated.
You look at how Rexy decides to send his MDs and it also indicates a lack of understanding.Rexy's decisions seem to be based on whether his MDs deserve to.That's more emotional than rational.He has been blessed with such a gifted array of MAS MDs he is in an enviable position of securing MD titles through domination by quantity with quality over time.Initially, he should ask for extra funding to send maximum no of MDs so that over time, all of them are ranked high enough to be seeded or not have to play qualifying.Once that is achieved , he can then rotate his MDs so that they play often enough to at least maintain their rankings with minimum funding.Once a base of 8 decent ranked MDs is established and available for SS anytime,even by fielding 4 to 6 MDs to any SS, the chances of a MAS MD winning a title would be good. And done honestly without degrading to LYB's kind of schemes.

Similarly for MAS MS. BAM gotta to maximise funding now to maximise opportunities for at least 10 MJ to play a mix of GP and SS tournaments.They are gonna lose more than win but that's the way before real progress is made.So that by 2012, MAS will have 4 or 5 decent MS to choose from.(And really if HH cannot get past R2 for CM, his SS place should be given to an MJ while he goes for GP level to develop his mental and physical stamina and competitive confidence again.)

Time Mag. may not be right all the time. BTW, which and who is right all the time. Time Mag. mentioned TH and LD names but didn't predict them as outright winner for Oly.

Cheers pjswift.

A very insightful opening sentence LOL. :D

LCW did pretty well in the past year so he deserves the No. 1 title. Although one must realize that if LD didn't lose to CJ in AE and ABC, LD should still be No. 1. But, match-fixing or not, that's LD's own choice anyway, and he indeed benefited from it in the OG.

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News article from The Star Online today, Sunday 7-Sep-2008: click here (http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2008/9/7/sports/22261052&sec=sports)

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Badminton: Lee’s missions

By RAJES PAUL

KUALA LUMPUR: National shuttler Lee Chong Wei has never won a title when ranked as world No. 1.

He has a chance to set the record straight when he competes in the Japan Open, which will be held in Tokyo from Sept 16-21.

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2008/9/7/sports/s_62chongwei.jpg Chong Wei: Has held to the No. 1 spot for a second consecutive week.

In 2006, Chong Wei took part in the Macau Open as the top seed and the world No. 1 but failed to justify his status when he lost to China’s Lin Dan in the final.

His coach Datuk Misbun Sidek, however, is looking beyond the Japan Open.

Misbun wants Chong Wei to be the first Malaysian player to maintain his world No. 1 ranking for a long time, although he knows it won’t be easy.

His former charges – Rashid Sidek and Mohd Roslin Hashim –also reached the No. 1 spot but only for a brief spell.

Chong Wei, he said, would have to work hard on two areas of his game if he wanted to extend his stay at the top spot, which had been dominated by Olympic champion Lin Dan for about two years.

“Not only must Chong Wei be able to handle the pressure that I will put on him in training but he must also improve his physical condition,” said Misbun at Stadium Juara in Bukit Kiara yesterday.

“It is good that Chong Wei has held on to the No. 1 spot for a second consecutive week. But it is important that he maintains it for a longer period. It will be difficult to climb up the ladder again if he drops down the rankings.”

Misbun was all smiles when talking about Chong Wei’s attitude towards training, although the shuttler had been kept busy with so many functions since returning as the silver medallist from the Beijing Olympic Games.

“He is not at his best physical condition. He is still tired. But I admire his spirit. He has been demanding for more in training. The pace of training will pick up from Monday,” said Misbun.

“It is a delight to see Chong Wei handling all this (the fame after winning the silver medal for the first time in 12 years for the country) very well. He is humble.”

At the Japan Open, defending champion Chong Wei’s first real test will come in the quarter-finals against Simon Santoso of Indonesia. Also in the same half with the Malaysian is another Indonesian, Taufik Hidayat.

In the lower half are second seed Sony Dwi Kuncoro of Indonesia, China’s Chen Yu and Peter Gade-Christensen of Denmark.

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Could it be a LCW vs PG Final ?

:):):)
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LCW did pretty well in the past year so he deserves the No. 1 title. Although one must realize that if LD didn't lose to CJ in AE and ABC, LD should still be No. 1. But, match-fixing or not, that's LD's own choice anyway, and he indeed benefited from it in the OG.



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ye333 ... I don't think it's LD own choice.

Today, participants in Badminton, (same with sports like Cycling, Formula 1 Racing, etc...) are still under the instructions from Team Managements. If they disobey the instructions given to them, they could be excluded from their teams.

Only at such time when Badminton players are individual/independent players, then they could choose what they like to do.
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Yao Ming , Liu Xiang??these 2 didn't win any medals at 08 OG.

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IMHO, LD feared playing LCW more than playing PG at the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games. And because of this, LD allowed PG "more breathing space".

But when LD played LCW, LD went 'All Out'. That's why the match between LCW and LD was shorter (although by not much, just 4 minutes).

Unfortunately for PG's fans, PG was not seeded higher (because of his unfortunate injury). Otherwise, PG could , IMHO, win a medal as well.

:):):)
.that's because in this OG, the hot badminton topics were can PSH beat LD, can LCW beat LD, there were polls created for each of these matches. There are too many doubters out there and LD was committed silence all those doubters and non-believers. LD decided to use his rarely used 6th gear to beat psh and lcw to make a point. U see, if LD use his 6 gear all the time, people wil call his cocky, a showoff and arrogant so he only use it sparingly:)

Tuesday September 9, 2008
Badminton: Chong Wei holds advantage to book world championships spot
By RAJES PAUL
KUALA LUMPUR: National number one Lee Chong Wei has a head start as far as qualification for next year’s World Badminton Champion-ships is concerned.

And he intends to keep the momentum going when he takes part in three back-to-back Open tournaments — Japan Open (Sept 16-21), China Masters (Sept 23-28) and Macau Open (Sept 30-Oct 5).

Chong Wei has set his sights on winning honours in the world championships, which will be held in India from Aug 10-16.

The 52-week qualifying period ends in May and the top 16 in the ranking are assured of places in the championships.

Chong Wei harboured hopes of becoming the first Malaysian world champion last year but he was beaten by Indonesian Sony Dwi Kuncoro in the third round at the Putra Stadium in Bukit Jalil.

In the first tournament that offered qualifying points for the world championships, the Beijing Olympics last month, Chong Wei emerged as runner-up to China’s Lin Dan.

He moved up one rung to number one in the ranking and will be out to retain the Japan Open title.

“In order to remain at the top, I have to win the Japan Open title,” said Chong Wei after a training session at Juara Stadium in Bukit Kiara yesterday.

“The qualifying period for the world championships has already begun. I want to do well in all the tournaments so that I can maintain my number one status for a long time.

“China and South Korea are not sending their best players to Tokyo. But I expect tough challenges from Indonesia and Denmark, who will have their best players there.”

Top seeded Chong Wei has in his half of the draw three Indonesians — fourth seed Taufik Hidayat, Simon Santoso and Tommy Sugiarto — and two Danes, Joachim Persson and Jan O. Jorgensen.

The other half of the draw has second seed Sony, three Chinese players — Chen Yu, Gong Weijie, Li Yu – and Dane Peter Gade-Christensen.

Chong Wei added that he was recovering from a bout of fever.

“I was down with fever on Friday but I had two days of good rest. I just slept in. But I will not let this affect my plan to do well in Japan,” he said.

Until a week ago, he had been busy attending numerous functions since winning the silver medal in the Beijing Olympics.

“I still think about the defeat by Lin Dan. He was so fast that I could not play my normal game,” he added.

“It hurts just thinking about the match. I even felt numb during the medal ceremony.”

Tuesday September 9, 2008
Badminton: Chong Wei holds advantage to book world championships spot
By RAJES PAUL
KUALA LUMPUR: National number one Lee Chong Wei has a head start as far as qualification for next year’s World Badminton Champion-ships is concerned.

And he intends to keep the momentum going when he takes part in three back-to-back Open tournaments — Japan Open (Sept 16-21), China Masters (Sept 23-28) and Macau Open (Sept 30-Oct 5).

Chong Wei has set his sights on winning honours in the world championships, which will be held in India from Aug 10-16.

The 52-week qualifying period ends in May and the top 16 in the ranking are assured of places in the championships.

Chong Wei harboured hopes of becoming the first Malaysian world champion last year but he was beaten by Indonesian Sony Dwi Kuncoro in the third round at the Putra Stadium in Bukit Jalil.

In the first tournament that offered qualifying points for the world championships, the Beijing Olympics last month, Chong Wei emerged as runner-up to China’s Lin Dan.

He moved up one rung to number one in the ranking and will be out to retain the Japan Open title.

“In order to remain at the top, I have to win the Japan Open title,” said Chong Wei after a training session at Juara Stadium in Bukit Kiara yesterday.

“The qualifying period for the world championships has already begun. I want to do well in all the tournaments so that I can maintain my number one status for a long time.

“China and South Korea are not sending their best players to Tokyo. But I expect tough challenges from Indonesia and Denmark, who will have their best players there.”

Top seeded Chong Wei has in his half of the draw three Indonesians — fourth seed Taufik Hidayat, Simon Santoso and Tommy Sugiarto — and two Danes, Joachim Persson and Jan O. Jorgensen.

The other half of the draw has second seed Sony, three Chinese players — Chen Yu, Gong Weijie, Li Yu – and Dane Peter Gade-Christensen.

Chong Wei added that he was recovering from a bout of fever.

“I was down with fever on Friday but I had two days of good rest. I just slept in. But I will not let this affect my plan to do well in Japan,” he said.

Until a week ago, he had been busy attending numerous functions since winning the silver medal in the Beijing Olympics.

“I still think about the defeat by Lin Dan. He was so fast that I could not play my normal game,” he added.

“It hurts just thinking about the match. I even felt numb during the medal ceremony.”

LOL... The match hurt more people than LCW could ever imagine... Boleh spirit took a huge blow, and it will never be the same again.:eek:

Yup, Lee Chong Wei is current MS world #1 per 21 August/08. Previously LCW also had ever toppled LD as number one player in 2006 (short period).

hey here

tell me please how long LD is at the top of rankings and what is his meeting score with LCW?:)

hey here

tell me please how long LD is at the top of rankings and what is his meeting score with LCW?:)
maybe cooler or bananakid can help u on this..:p
or u can check it out on the BWF website..
here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/www.internationalbadminton.org)

maybe cooler or bananakid can help u on this..:p
or u can check it out on the BWF website..
here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/www.internationalbadminton.org)


i was there but there are only 2007-2008 ratings..

but their battles are here: (9:3 for now)

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/head2_1.asp?txtId1=50152&txtId2=50906&txtFname1=lin&txtFname2=lee&txtName1=&txtName2=

a bit strange how LD hold 1st rank for more than year and just after olympics win went down to 2nd.. as seems olympic medal doesnt change much.. as if Chong Wei won ;)

a bit strange how LD hold 1st rank for more than year and just after olympics win went down to 2nd.. as seems olympic medal doesnt change much.. as if Chong Wei won ;)

A very strange also a player can be in the No. 1 position although he has not ever win the major championship in his career.

A very strange also a player can be in the No. 1 position although he has not ever win the major championship in his career.
anyway, thats the fact..:);)
we cannot change the fact..:cool::cool:

anyway, thats the fact..:);)
we cannot change the fact..:cool::cool:


Fact sometimes is cruel...:p:D

Does anybody knows how the points of a player works ? Like if player X wins player Y in the first round of a tournament, then how much point will player X get ?

:confused:

Does anybody knows how the points of a player works ? Like if player X wins player Y in the first round of a tournament, then how much point will player X get ?

:confused:


nope...it been fixed...see the rank of tournament...and different point for different stage...:D...highest is bwf tournament(olympic,wc),and then super series then grand prix gold and so on...

the highest point is champion of bwf tournament...12000(lin dan wc point12000 been replace by OG champion point)so...no change......that the reason...and last year lcw lost in quater...but this time is runner up...more 2k ++ points...

only team event count base on opponent ranking + stage

A very strange also a player can be in the No. 1 position although he has not ever win the major championship in his career.

ppl i am new here so just inform me very primitive news) what is major championships in badminton, who win, who strong.. i just saw the Olympics
after this LD seems unbeatable but probably he is not:rolleyes:

Since Lin Dan has already stated that he will be skipping all tournaments until November of this year... that just goes to show everyone how Lin Dan does NOT care about his world ranking status any more ever since he won OG08.

The ranking is based on points obtained from various tournaments. It is just like Nadal ranks second to Federer even though we all knew Nadal beat Federer in the many tournaments recently. If LD wants to get back to No1, he should play more....and win more. So it is really a fair deal. Do not hope to be no1 by just winning 1 big tournament like the Olympic and then take a long rest..and expect to be no1... people will just shoot past you in points....

yes, but i checked the recent months, top 4-5 players just stays the same, with a big margin between 2nd and 3rd .. only now situation is a bit changed. it seems LD played all the year without pause up to the summer

anyway, thats the fact..:);)
we cannot change the fact..:cool::cool:

If I am LCW, I wouldn't feel good being No.1 like that. Because I know it does not come from winning major champions like WC, OG but the stupid point system.

If I am LCW, I wouldn't feel good being No.1 like that. Because I know this does not come from holding an overall winning record over all of the best players, incl. his arch rival LD, but winning more easier competitions without the best players.

The crown of World No.1 is only on paper (it would change if another set of point system is used, like tennis), winning on courts are the only fact, . LD is still a class over LCW, the OG final shows this vivid and painful fact, we cannot change this fact.

LCW may look like enjoying sitting the world no.1 spot, yet in the bottom of his heart, I would bet you a load that he is not really so happy, he may rather prefer beating LD in the OG final and still remain No.2 this time.

He knows he now would be desparately keen to prove he's the real No.1, at leave overturning the 3-9 losing record to LD (particularly in major competitions) and the lack of any single one major championship (we all know that the Super Series is in no way as honourable as OG or WC or even the Grand Slams in tennis).

ok but what do we have as ATP tour in tennis, here in badminton?
Which tournaments big which smaller?

Of course LCW would be happier if he beat LD in the OG final. But I don't see any reason why he should not enjoy his No. 1 spot. He earned it fair and square, by winning tournaments one after another (note that the number of tournament LD and LCW participated are almost the same before OG), by defeating other players, including LD (not by a sudden change of rules of counting points, which is the case of his short No. 1 occupation -- 2 weeks? -- in 2006).

It's interesting to see that after LD won OG, suddenly many people do not care much about the ranking anymore. :cool:

If I am LCW, I wouldn't feel good being No.1 like that. Because I know it does not come from winning major champions like WC, OG but the stupid point system.

If I am LCW, I wouldn't feel good being No.1 like that. Because I know this does not come from holding an overall winning record over all of the best players, incl. his arch rival LD, but winning more easier competitions without the best players.

The crown of World No.1 is only on paper (it would change if another set of point system is used, like tennis), winning on courts are the only fact, . LD is still a class over LCW, the OG final shows this vivid and painful fact, we cannot change this fact.

LCW may look like enjoying sitting the world no.1 spot, yet in the bottom of his heart, I would bet you a load that he is not really so happy, he may rather prefer beating LD in the OG final and still remain No.2 this time.

He knows he now would be desparately keen to prove he's the real No.1, at leave overturning the 3-9 losing record to LD (particularly in major competitions) and the lack of any single one major championship (we all know that the Super Series is in no way as honourable as OG or WC or even the Grand Slams in tennis).

he may rather prefer beating LD in the OG final and still remain No.2 this time

oh really?) I think he prefer to win OG .. and.. be even 100th number after this;)

For you Information, yesterday the Star newspaper in Malaysian reported that LCW says his goal in the near future is to do well in coming tournaments. Maintaining number 1 spot is not his top priority.

It's interesting to see that after LD won OG, suddenly many people do not care much about the ranking anymore. :cool:

Not exactly, when LD earned his number 1 spot, everybody knows that he is the best player in the circuit. And when LCW earned his number 1 spot recently, everybody knows that he still has LD to beat + some major title to relevant to his ranking.

Not exactly, when LD earned his number 1 spot, everybody knows that he is the best player in the circuit. And when LCW earned his number 1 spot recently, everybody knows that he still has LD to beat + some major title to relevant to his ranking.

Good point.

LCW is WR No.1, but without any major championship.

I think it's already stated bf, 1) for LCW, WR#1 or WR#2 doesnt have much difference in terms the quarterly incentive from BAM. It's the same amount.
Only from WR#3 onwards it's different.

2) WR #1 & WR#2,etc,etc is for the purpose of the draw. So... it's relevant to LCW to see who gets drawn in his half of the draw, as you all know, will be different for WR#1 & WR#2.

Other than that, it's more for the respective fans of the players, to see their fav player as WR#1.

World No.1 = World Best Player? In Datuk LCW's case, i dont think so. Although he is ranked No.1 now, still he is not the world best player. Bcos we know, got 1 player who is better than him, that is LD.

World No.1 = World Best Player? In Datuk LCW's case, i dont think so. Although he is ranked No.1 now, still he is not the world best player. Bcos we know, got 1 player who is better than him, that is LD.

but its strange..
LCW is really hard player to other ones, or anyway its what i saw so far. But when he plays with LD he get just a few points, and it's looking good when he passes over 10 points in a set. Just now i have seen the SO 2008 when suddenly LCW leaded 10:6 and even 17:16, but this was an only thing like this. All other matches just like OG.. with no chances..

not that LCW didnt do well in major tournaments...

anyone noticed that he beat LD in the sudirman cup and also thomas cup in straight sets?

Maybe he plays better when its about team event:D

When TH was low ranking, TH was a dangerous player for high ranking player to meet in the early rounds....now if LD ranking drops, LD is a far more dangerous for higher ranked player to play in the early rounds...now who wants to meet LD early?

The more accurate way in looking at any ranking tables, which is always a snap shot at a specific time frame, is to look at how long a player is holding on to the No.1 ranking.

The longer the player can hold on to his/her top pole position uninterrupted, the more dominent he/she is in that particular discipline.

The longer the player can hold on to his/her top pole position uninterrupted, the more dominent he/she is in that particular discipline.


What happen in ranking during previous OG? I calculated LD have been holding 1st from 2007. what was before?

What happen in ranking during previous OG? I calculated LD have been holding 1st from 2007. what was before?

LD ranked 1st since 04 OG.

LD ranked 1st since 04 OG.
oh i searched there, and didnt find him. I thought he even did not participate in 2004 OG, and came to big sport just after this.. not?

oh i searched there, and didnt find him. I thought he even did not participate in 2004 OG, and came to big sport just after this.. not?

He was seeded first also at 04 edition of OG, but he lost at first round.

2nd place again.

2nd place again.
To LD, Sony, and TH.
Nothing to shame.

He was seeded first also at 04 edition of OG, but he lost at first round.

oh - first round or SECOND place??
its a bit different things))

TH have already won over Chong WEI in Macau Open

TH rank 10

Chong Wei rank 1

EHm so rank 10 is better than rank 1 :D:D:D:D

TH have already won over Chong WEI in Macau Open

TH rank 10

Chong Wei rank 1

EHm so rank 10 is better than rank 1 :D:D:D:D


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:D:D:D romizone ... We hope that we are not going to debate over this matter. :D:D:D

So many members at Badminton Central do not know how the 'World Ranking' works. Perhaps a thread could be started for this.

It is important to stick to facts, namely:
(1) TH has won the Badminton Mens Singles at the 2008 Macau GP Gold
(2) Lee Chong Wei is currently ranked Badminton Mens Singles #1 at the latest World Ranking.

For Fact (1), it is based on the player's performance in that ONE tournament alone.
For Fact (2), it is based on the player's points earned from a series of tournaments played.

Facts are facts. And from these 2 facts, we cannot argue/debate who is the better player overall.

Many of us at Badminton Central try to use ONLY ONE of the above 2 FACTS to support their argument(s). And this is all wrong. We need to bring in the 2 facts together.

:):):)
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I agree with Chris@CCC
you need to bring 2 facts before you argue about it....
TH and LCW beat one and another for sometimes....
So, both are good players
TH only can reach final and win 1 tourney
LCW reach final and lost for many times since OG
In my mind; at Macau; TH was better in the side of mentality, LCW not at that time...
TH played w/o pressure as he going to retired soon (I dun no when) hehee... LCW had big pressure from MAS fans to win a tourney...
For skill; both are good, but LCW never win OG, TH did. Both player ever won WC...

oh - first round or SECOND place??
its a bit different things))

LD was 1st seeded at 04 OG, but lost at 1st round from Singapore shuttler (Ronald Susilo)

they both are awesome player.....just can say both also top ranking player =D different play style....

Since Lin Dan has already stated that he will be skipping all tournaments until November of this year... that just goes to show everyone how Lin Dan does NOT care about his world ranking status any more ever since he won OG08.
That match of his lifetime must have taken so much out of him he needs at least 3 months to recover.
Of course he's busy with his endorsement deals but it's strange not to be able to make it for DO08 and FO08.
Well, LYB knows fans expect LD to perform like in OG but I believe some conditions necessary for LD's 6th gear may not be present in DO08 and FO08.Hence, his return tournament has to be in CHN for reasons best known to LYB.

That match of his lifetime must have taken so much out of him he needs at least 3 months to recover.
Of course he's busy with his endorsement deals but it's strange not to be able to make it for DO08 and FO08.
Well, LYB knows fans expect LD to perform like in OG but I believe some conditions necessary for LD's 6th gear may not be present in DO08 and FO08.Hence, his return tournament has to be in CHN for reasons best known to LYB.


Way to go!!! Instead of comment on LCW like you usually do... recently on his weak mental strength when he had not been able to win anything with the so-called world ranking #1, you come out here and bash Lin Dan and LYB.:rolleyes: even when they are being quiet at the moment.

Lin Dan doesn't need to prove anything any more(he reached his goal of winning OG + making lots of $$$), what else is there really worth his time and effort(Don't tell me some super series title or a $15,000 US cheque:rolleyes::confused:)... it is now time for the CHN juniors to step up. LYB is much smarter than any head coach of any country in which he is already building his jr. players 4 years before the next OG.

If a major badminton event is to come up tomorrow, and LYB wants Lin Dan to play, then you can bet your bottom dollar that Lin Dan will be there tomorrow, but since there is nothing important going on anyways, why would LYB make Lin Dan play when not necessary?:rolleyes:

You would be better off praying for LCW not to lose to Simon or Taufik in the upcoming Denmark open instead of worrying about Lin Dan's 6th gear:rolleyes:... as he could be using it somewhere else that you don't get to see...:eek::cool:

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For Fact (1), it is based on the player's performance in that ONE tournament alone.
For Fact (2), it is based on the player's points earned from a series of tournaments played.
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i see there are big big margins between player's rankings of 10. It seems that even i will not play during a year, I wouldn't lose much. So, if you are for example 3rd or 5th, it doesn't say you play well THIS YEAR, not?

That match of his lifetime must have taken so much out of him he needs at least 3 months to recover.

hahaha, yah, romping lcw 21-12, 21-8 was a really taxing chore for LD LOL.:rolleyes:
I have watched all LD match in the OG and beating LCW was the easiest task of all his OG matches.
Of course he's busy with his endorsement deals but it's strange not to be able to make it for DO08 and FO08.
strange? everything LD and LYB does is strange to u. Why do u lke to keep writing about subjects that u don't understand?

Well, LYB knows fans expect LD to perform like in OG but I believe some conditions necessary for LD's 6th gear may not be present in DO08 and FO08.Hence, his return tournament has to be in CHN for reasons best known to LYB.

hahahahaha, how do u know what LYB or LD fans knows? U already said they all seem strange to u anyway:rolleyes:

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i see there are big big margins between player's rankings of 10. It seems that even i will not play during a year, I wouldn't lose much. So, if you are for example 3rd or 5th, it doesn't say you play well THIS YEAR, not?



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The World Ranking depends on how many points a player has earned from the latest series of tournaments played.

The World Ranking only does that.

If a player who plays well but not participating lately, his/her ranking would fall.

Let us look at China. Their Singles players are so strong that their 25th Chinese ranked player might even fit into the top 100 World Ranking easily. But they don't get a chance to participate, and therefore they are not found in the top 100 World Ranking.

Any stronger player who is taking a break from tournaments would surely find his/her ranking fall. And, any not so strong player who is working hard to participate in as many tournaments as possible would find his/her ranking rising (if he/she doesn't get knocked out in the first few rounds).

:):):)
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hey guys, please dont being out of the topic here!.
here is not a place to fight or debating..:(

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/ranking_ms.asp?id=1

I hope this is not a mistake lol.





hey guys, please dont being out of the topic here!.

here is not a place to fight or debating..:(



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:D:D:D Agree ... The thread starter, hoiboy79, started with a question "Lee Chong Wei ranked number one now?".

Perhaps hoiboy79 didn't understand how/why LCW became No.1? Otherwise, hoiboy79 would have titled this thread "Congratulations to Lee Chong Wei, now ranked World No.1 !!!".

Later, posters debated that LCW shouldn't be ranked number one. And this caused further confusion.

We need to inform those who do not understand how the world number one position is achieved.

Anyone of us, who now understand how the world ranking works, should congratulate LCW for achieving that world number one spot.

There should be no need for us to fight or debate over it.

:):):)
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i have to agree with this:(
Same,here.Mew Choo dropped from 8 to 9 though.But congratulations to Lee Chong Wei

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:D:D:D Agree ... The thread starter, hoiboy79, started with a question "Lee Chong Wei ranked number one now?".

Perhaps hoiboy79 didn't understand how/why LCW became No.1? Otherwise, hoiboy79 would have titled this thread "Congratulations to Lee Chong Wei, now ranked World No.1 !!!".

Later, posters debated that LCW shouldn't be ranked number one. And this caused further confusion.

We need to inform those who do not understand how the world number one position is achieved.

Anyone of us, who now understand how the world ranking works, should congratulate LCW for achieving that world number one spot.

There should be no need for us to fight or debate over it.

:):):)
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That was the point of making this thread. I wasn't sure how he got to the top spot so I wanted to find out how the system worked.

That was the point of making this thread. I wasn't sure how he got to the top spot so I wanted to find out how the system worked.
all u need to know is lin dan is #1 rank for over 2 years.
Other MS rankings are just for filling in the blanks. hehe,:p:p:p

george@chongwei - what do you want to talk in this thread about? :) all this thread about rankings and a logic of them.. it's not a topic about LCW in fact..

george@chongwei - what do you want to talk in this thread about? :) all this thread about rankings and a logic of them.. it's not a topic about LCW in fact..
just refer to the thread title.:):D:D:D
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1000290&postcount=154

One of my friend send me email saying that this car belongs to Datuk Lee.(correct me if the info is wrong)

Just to share with you all.

hmm, thats a mazda car:)
not sure if thats lee chong wei`s car..
maybe ants can tell us whether its true or not.

Oh,wow.That car is so cool !Hmm..... is it true that it belongs to Lee Chong Wei?How do u know whether is true?

I've heard that Mr. Koo also got 1 of this pretty Fairlady....

One of my friend send me email saying that this car belongs to Datuk Lee.(correct me if the info is wrong)

Just to share with you all.

That's where all of his RM300,000 went lol.

That's where all of his RM300,000 went lol.

no...rm is not that big...i doubt that is that his car...:rolleyes:

wa,dat car so cool

That's where all of his RM300,000 went lol.

The car bought before Olympic. Thats what i heard....

Btw, what's wrong how he spent his hard-earned money?:confused:

Well my buddy did an article on me blog with regards to LCW being world no. 1. more finals doesnt make u the best player.. anyhow, check it out smashingmark.wordpress.com

nope...this is not mistaken...

lcw have more finalist than ld...and yet...1 of ld final is TO...grand prix gold only...less ranking point...

ciao
mark

The car bought before Olympic. Thats what i heard....

Btw, what's wrong how he spent his hard-earned money?:confused:

LOL, cos there'll criticism that players spend lavishly & like to show-off. Buying a very expensive car means showing off. That's the 1st thing people will say & then relate it back to the 1992 TC winners issue. As if you dont know (a malay proverb: sudah tahu cendana pula):p

And who was the one who commented on TBH buying a BMW car when his family is poor?:p:p

Anyway, in a recent intv bf OG, the article said LCW's car is a TOyota (the 100+ one that appeared in The Star).

LOL, cos there'll criticism that players spend lavishly & like to show-off. Buying a very expensive car means showing off. That's the 1st thing people will say & then relate it back to the 1992 TC winners issue. As if you dont know (a malay proverb: sudah tahu cendana pula):p

And who was the one who commented on TBH buying a BMW car when his family is poor?:p:p

Anyway, in a recent intv bf OG, the article said LCW's car is a TOyota (the 100+ one that appeared in The Star).

Did i made such comment? If yes, i am sorry, Mr. Tan.:p

Thanks for correcting the mistakes that i've made.

Did i made such comment? If yes, i am sorry, Mr. Tan.:p

Thanks for correcting the mistakes that i've made.
Ah,well........we all make mistakes ,right?:DSo no comments there.But i thought they cut his points?I read it in The Star on Saturday.Am i mistaken?Because he still no.1.So that is a relieved.

LOL, cos there'll criticism that players spend lavishly & like to show-off. Buying a very expensive car means showing off. That's the 1st thing people will say & then relate it back to the 1992 TC winners issue. As if you dont know (a malay proverb: sudah tahu cendana pula):p

And who was the one who commented on TBH buying a BMW car when his family is poor?:p:p

Anyway, in a recent intv bf OG, the article said LCW's car is a TOyota (the 100+ one that appeared in The Star).
Wow,i wonder how you guys know this gossip.:(

LOL, cos there'll criticism that players spend lavishly & like to show-off. Buying a very expensive car means showing off. That's the 1st thing people will say & then relate it back to the 1992 TC winners issue. As if you dont know (a malay proverb: sudah tahu cendana pula):p

And who was the one who commented on TBH buying a BMW car when his family is poor?:p:p

Anyway, in a recent intv bf OG, the article said LCW's car is a TOyota (the 100+ one that appeared in The Star).


I think buying a car with his hard earned money is alright man.. The only thing I'm saying is that for Malaysia to become the best in Badminton, we need to change players mindsets and not spoil them too much. FYI LCW is being paid freaking major bucks per month by being the top 5 in the world.He deserves it as he works hard and he's a good player.

Yes he has worked hard to be top 5 however I feel Malaysia needs a world champion similar to the early days of Tan Aik Huang, Punch Gunalan, etc.. Those guys worked hard for their money and they had to buy their own air tickets for tournaments, hence why I feel they knew what it takes to win. And by winning they got their bread and butter. Comparing to what we are now, if you win, you get tons of money and even if they dont win, they still are spoilt and they do not work hard in training.

Check out me blog for an article on what I think about the mindset.

ciaos
smashingmark.wordpress.com

I think buying a car with his hard earned money is alright man.. The only thing I'm saying is that for Malaysia to become the best in Badminton, we need to change players mindsets and not spoil them too much. FYI LCW is being paid freaking major bucks per month by being the top 5 in the world.He deserves it as he works hard and he's a good player.

Yes he has worked hard to be top 5 however I feel Malaysia needs a world champion similar to the early days of Tan Aik Huang, Punch Gunalan, etc.. Those guys worked hard for their money and they had to buy their own air tickets for tournaments, hence why I feel they knew what it takes to win. And by winning they got their bread and butter. Comparing to what we are now, if you win, you get tons of money and even if they dont win, they still are spoilt and they do not work hard in training.

Check out me blog for an article on what I think about the mindset.

ciaos
smashingmark.wordpress.com
I agree with u.Btw,4 all Lee Chong Wei fans ,he even launched his own blog:blog.LeeChongWei82.com Is it cool/what?

Well my buddy did an article on me blog with regards to LCW being world no. 1. more finals doesnt make u the best player.. anyhow, check it out smashingmark.wordpress.com
ciao
mark

oh...sorry that i am not a naive lcw fans...so...i need not to view that...;)...peace...:)

Did i made such comment? If yes, i am sorry, Mr. Tan.:p

Thanks for correcting the mistakes that i've made.
u are supposed to say: if yes, im sorry, Miss Ng too:p:p:p

u are supposed to say: if yes, im sorry, Miss Ng:p:p:p

dato say sorry to tan boon heong lar...lol...:D

Check out me blog for an article on what I think about the mindset.

ciaos
smashingmark.wordpress.com
yes, we all know about your blog..
there is no need to keep promoting your blog on your each post..;)

dato say sorry to tan boon heong lar...lol...:D
ok, post had been edited:p:p:D
hahaha

I think buying a car with his hard earned money is alright man.. The only thing I'm saying is that for Malaysia to become the best in Badminton, we need to change players mindsets and not spoil them too much. FYI LCW is being paid freaking major bucks per month by being the top 5 in the world.He deserves it as he works hard and he's a good player.


Check out me blog for an article on what I think about the mindset.

ciaos
smashingmark.wordpress.com

That's not refering to you, there are ppl who commented as such in the forum & in the press & the powers that be. So, any show of lavish living will bring forth criticism. Criticism at every turn, that's what Msia players must face.

Yes, yes, I read ur blog & responded in the BC thread you started. It's not a new thing, the mindset, has already been discussed, & discussed & discussed.............. with the points you put forth & added points.
In short, it's not as simple as that...........

And forgot, welcome to the forum..

ok, post had been edited:p:p:D
hahaha

u are supposed to say: if yes, im sorry, Miss Ng too:p:p:p

LOL, george, Dato no need to say sorry to me lah. ;):p:p

Maybe Dato also like that car model, his dream car, maybe, so he notice lor. :D

LOL, george, Dato no need to say sorry to me lah. ;):p:p

Maybe Dato also like that car model, his dream car, maybe, so he notice lor. :D

I am a poor old man. Not afford to buy such expensive car.:(Unless i am a badminton player...:D:D

I am a poor old man. Not afford to buy such expensive car.:(Unless i am a badminton player...:D:D
i though u are `dato`???:D:D:D

i though u are `dato`???:D:D:D

Datuk is much more riche.....:D:D

Datuk is much more riche.....:D:D

Dato also rich enough lah.:D Just look at BC. There are no less than 28000 member here and there is only one Dato which is you.:D

Dato also rich enough lah.:D Just look at BC. There are no less than 28000 member here and there is only one Dato which is you.:D

we now have more than 37k member....:D...dato...u just the only one here...:p

u are supposed to say: if yes, im sorry, Miss Ng too:p:p:p
Who is Miss Ng ?:confused::(

Who is Miss Ng ?:confused::(

oh...u dunno kah???ours famous kak helang in bc(eaglehelang)

Hmm.........who is the main character/main topic of the day?

oh...u dunno kah???ours famous kak helang in bc(eaglehelang)
Oh,i see.Thanks.I think she is a Tan Boon Heong fan.:D

Oh,i see.Thanks.I think she is a Tan Boon Heong fan.:D

then u are wrong...;)...

then u are wrong...;)...

den she is whose fans?

lets dont get out of the topic now;)

then u are wrong...;)...

Oh,i see.Thanks.I think she is a Tan Boon Heong fan.:D
nope. That original comment abt TBH's car appeared in a non-TBH thread

oh...u dunno kah???ours famous kak helang in bc(eaglehelang)

den she is whose fans?

Wait.......... this is abt LCW, World rankings, not me.;)
And....... I'm not TBH or KKK or LCW fan specifically.... When i started a thread on Fuzzy pair, some said I fan of Fuzzy pair. Like some here, I support Msian players. :p

we now have more than 37k member....:D...dato...u just the only one here...:p

More than 37000 members now?? Wow so much growth. Thanks to young people like you.

2008/11/09

Badminton: Chong Wei out to prove critics wrong
By : K.M. Boopathy

Chong Wei says he put too much pressure on himself to win titles.

LEE Chong Wei's recent failures on the international scene have some critics suggesting that success has gone to his head and he is not pulling his weight anymore.

The World No 1, while admitting the preparations have not been ideal after the Beijing Olympics in August, said the actual reason is that he is putting too much pressure on himself to win.

Since winning the Olympics silver, Chong Wei lost in the finals of the Japan and Macau Opens and in the semi-final of the French Open two weeks ago.

Chong Wei will be competing in the China Open in Shanghai on Nov 18-23 and has opted for a relaxed approach.

"Success has not gone into my head and the hunger to win is still there. However, the pressure has been somewhat increased since becoming World No 1," said Chong Wei.

"I probably have been trying to hard to win and I will not doing this anymore. All focus was on the Olympics before this and it had taken a lot from me and the momentum will surely drop.

"My objective now is to aim for the World Championships in India and the All England next year and I will take whatever results that come my way.

"I am learning to cope with the pressure that comes with being the World No 1."

National singles coach Misbun Sidek said while he is concerned, there is no need to push the panic button as Chong Wei has been very hardworking in training as usual.

"What Chong Wei needs to do is he must accept what he is going through and not lose heart with his defeats. Becoming World No 1 and sustaining it takes a lot of effort and he must learn to cope," said Misbun.

"I will be worried if he doesn't put enough effort in training but that's not the case. The only problem is that when he starts giving in if the losses continue."

Chong Wei has a minor task at hand when he competes at the Johor Open in Johor Baru beginning Tuesday where he must reach at least the final in order to qualify for the National Grand Prix Finals in Kedah on Dec 9-12.

Chong Wei is chasing a record seventh consecutive National GP crown. He is tied with Misbun on six.

2008/11/09

Badminton: Chong Wei out to prove critics wrong
By : K.M. Boopathy

Chong Wei says he put too much pressure on himself to win titles.

LEE Chong Wei's recent failures on the international scene have some critics suggesting that success has gone to his head and he is not pulling his weight anymore.

The World No 1, while admitting the preparations have not been ideal after the Beijing Olympics in August, said the actual reason is that he is putting too much pressure on himself to win.

Since winning the Olympics silver, Chong Wei lost in the finals of the Japan and Macau Opens and in the semi-final of the French Open two weeks ago.

Chong Wei will be competing in the China Open in Shanghai on Nov 18-23 and has opted for a relaxed approach.

"Success has not gone into my head and the hunger to win is still there. However, the pressure has been somewhat increased since becoming World No 1," said Chong Wei.

"I probably have been trying to hard to win and I will not doing this anymore. All focus was on the Olympics before this and it had taken a lot from me and the momentum will surely drop.

"My objective now is to aim for the World Championships in India and the All England next year and I will take whatever results that come my way.

"I am learning to cope with the pressure that comes with being the World No 1."

National singles coach Misbun Sidek said while he is concerned, there is no need to push the panic button as Chong Wei has been very hardworking in training as usual.

"What Chong Wei needs to do is he must accept what he is going through and not lose heart with his defeats. Becoming World No 1 and sustaining it takes a lot of effort and he must learn to cope," said Misbun.

"I will be worried if he doesn't put enough effort in training but that's not the case. The only problem is that when he starts giving in if the losses continue."

Chong Wei has a minor task at hand when he competes at the Johor Open in Johor Baru beginning Tuesday where he must reach at least the final in order to qualify for the National Grand Prix Finals in Kedah on Dec 9-12.

Chong Wei is chasing a record seventh consecutive National GP crown. He is tied with Misbun on six.

thanks to information. I think LD has to come and free poor CW from such pressure ;)

thanks to information. I think LD has to come and free poor CW from such pressure ;)
r u sure???:p
lcw wil be in double jeopardy, being #1 AND seeing LD on the opposite court:D:p

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Let's wish that LCW can qualify for the Malaysian National Grand Prix Finals first.

After that, he can start to think about getting his record seventh consecutive National GP crown. It's better for him to tackle one thing at a time.

All the best to LCW !!!
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Let's wish that LCW can qualify for the Malaysian National Grand Prix Finals first.

After that, he can start to think about getting his record seventh consecutive National GP crown. It's better for him to tackle one thing at a time.

All the best to LCW !!!
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sadly to say, unless LCW off-form or injured
or else, no one in Malaysia can match him now...

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Let's wish that LCW can qualify for the Malaysian National Grand Prix Finals first.

After that, he can start to think about getting his record seventh consecutive National GP crown. It's better for him to tackle one thing at a time.

All the best to LCW !!!
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Please dont complain to public as MAS doesnt has many singles players to backup him.
He need to act first , by skipping the local tounrys and give more chances for junior to shine.

Veteran likes RH, Lee TS already out of control as they were not from BAM and may participate in local tounrys as & when they wish....

Please dont complain to public as MAS doesnt has many singles players to backup him. He need to act first, by skipping the local tounrys and give more chances for junior to shine.



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This I have to disagree. LCW mustn't skip our Malaysian National Grand Prix Finals.

Giving more chances for the juniors is one thing, but artificially allowing the juniors to think that they are 'shining' is another.

Besides, all top players in the world should support their own National Competitions. We see this in all other sports, like in Tennis, Table-Tennis, Squash, Golf, Athletics, etc..., where their World No.1's never neglect their own National Championships.

:):):)
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totally agreed with chris, no point for LCW to skip local tournament
juniors must start to do catch-up, by playing with LCW in local
tournament, they will know where they stand...

totally agreed with chris, no point for LCW to skip local tournament
juniors must start to do catch-up, by playing with LCW in local
tournament, they will know where they stand...
yeah, this is always one of the ways to produce some talented players from Malaysia.
its no use for him to skip local tourneys just for giving chance to other youngster in Mas Badminton team to do well...
this will only give them less strong challenger..
in other words also, what will happen if mas junior team were sent to international tournaments??? can they cope up with other country`s players game? will there be any good results produced?

blame it on the boleh fans!!:D:p:p
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Badminton: Chong Wei bogged down by pressure
By K.M. Boopathy

2008/11/16

THE pressure of being the No 1 badminton player in the world is getting to Lee Chong Wei. This is in coach Misbun Sidek's post-mortem report to Sports Minister Datuk Seri Ismail Sabri Yaakob.

Ismail Sabri had directed coaches to conduct regular post-mortems on their players' performances after international competitions. And Chong Wei's report was the first the sports minister received.

The report covered Chong Wei's declining performances in the Japan and Macau Opens in September and the French Open three weeks ago.

Misbun said the main reason for Chong Wei's defeats to Indonesian Taufik Hidayat twice, in Macau and France, and to Sony Dwi Kuncoro (Japan), also from Indonesia, was due to the pressure of being the World No 1.

"I have asked the associations to focus on regular post-mortems on all athletes, irrespective of whether they win or lose," said said Ismail Sabri in Putrajaya yesterday.

"I'm glad the first report has come from Misbun on Chong Wei's performance.

"We are obviously concerned about Chong Wei's defeats to Taufik and Sony. Pressure of being the World No 1 and maintaining the position have been identified as the main reasons, but we have taken measures to overcome the problem.

"Taufik is more relaxed but as the No 1, Chong Wei is in a must-win situation and this probably made things difficult.

"He must be stronger mentally and approach the coming China Open (beginning Tuesday) and the Hong Kong Open (Nov 25-30) more relaxed. The opposition will be tougher there.

"As for the post-mortems, I have not set deadlines but now I think I must as the other associations (besides the BA of Malaysia) have not even submitted their Olympic reports."

Chong Wei's request to have a psychologist with him had been granted by the National Sports Institute (NSI) and Fred Tan travelled with him to the French Open. Tan will be available for the China and Hong Kong Opens.

Ismail Sabri said he will ensure that the psychologist is not just provided on an ad hoc basis but will be available full time to help Chong Wei.

Chong Wei, the top seed in China, is looking forward to reaching the final in China and Hong Kong where he will resume his rivalry with China's World No 2 Lin Dan who will be playing in his first tournament since winning Olympic gold in Beijing in August.

dont worry, im sure he will be back in his wonderful and great form again!:):)

blame on Boleh fans?????? That's the Malaysia Sports Minister who wanted the report. Dont win title, get banging from Sports Minister, NSC DIrector that's how it is.:rolleyes::p

blame it on the boleh fans!!:D:p:p
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Lee Chong Wei bogged down by pressure from his fans ??? :confused::confused::confused:

His fans will always support him and will always cheer for him ... whether he's winning or losing. Otherwise, they won't be called his fans no more.

Just from this thread, we can identify who are his fans, and who not.

:):):)
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Good to see LCW getting a psychologist as he very much needs one. :D
His mentality is not at the best shape right now..

Hope he does well in China Open in a few days.

I feel sorry for LCW that Fred the shrink has messed him up so LCW now needs Fred like a crutch whilst Fred's getting extra paid holidays.That's not what a psychologist is supposed to do.A psychologist is supposed to work on a client to help him solve or reduce his problem so he can be independent. If the client ends up insecure without the psychologist, it probably means the shrink is not effective in doing his job or is past his usefulness in solving the problem.It means it's time to look for a second opinion and proper sports psychologist.
I'm reminded of what I read recently of Ted Turner's shrinks. He said the first one he saw diagnosed him as 'bipolar' and prescribed him drugs.After a while when it didn't work, he was lucid enough to go for a second opinion and his second shrink said he's not 'bipolar' and dumped his pills.He has not been 'bipolar' since.
When an 'expert' does not solve your problem after some time,it's important to be objective and explore alternatives.
What LCW needs is a better psychologist because a lesser one is dangerous for he can do damage in the long run.

He is good. But LD is extremely better.

Give no fight.

World's No. 1??

Anyone know how much closer LD gets by beating LCW today?

He is good. But LD is extremely better.

Give no fight.

World's No. 1??


what to do?
but the system did rate LCW as world no. 1..
Datuk Lee have to double effort to beat LD...
anyway he is still our best..we should be proud
of him....:):):):)

LD still the No. 1 for me.

LCW is still lack of mentality strength.

LCW had become way too careful with his game these days..
He did not take the risk to go all out attacking, unlike LD
I think most top players by now have already figured that LCW
can only return the shuttle to the front of the net when defending..
As evident, Taufik also pounded LCW so many times in front
of the net after a defensive return...
And I noticed LCW's smashes are no longer as deadly compared few years
back... He definitely had lost his touch....
I suggest LCW stop defending instead go all out to smash!
BRING BACK THE SIGNATURE CROSS COURT SMASH...... :o

LD still the No. 1 for me.

LCW is still lack of mentality strength.
ld is still the no1 to you.
but the reality is Lee Chong Wei still holds the number 1 spots:D:D:D

LCW had become way too careful with his game these days..
He did not take the risk to go all out attacking, unlike LD
I think most top players by now have already figured that LCW
can only return the shuttle to the front of the net when defending..
As evident, Taufik also pounded LCW so many times in front
of the net after a defensive return...
And I noticed LCW's smashes are no longer as deadly compared few years
back... He definitely had lost his touch....
I suggest LCW stop defending instead go all out to smash!
BRING BACK THE SIGNATURE CROSS COURT SMASH...... :o
yeah, i have to agree with this too:(

ld is still the no1 to you.
but the reality is Lee Chong Wei still holds the number 1 spots:D:D:D

Theoritically Datuk Lee is no. 1. But practically he is not.;)

which ratings are right now?)

I cant understand - if LD and LCW are 2 greatest players now, and LD was 3 months out, why did LCW not win some tournament within this time??

I cant understand - if LD and LCW are 2 greatest players now, and LD was 3 months out, why did LCW not win some tournament within this time??



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Perhaps LCW is not under pressure to get more World Ranking points. :):):)

Regarding to the subject of The World Best Ranked Player vs The World Best Performance Player, perhaps we should get more BCers to play Sandy's PAW Games here at Badminton Central. It is actually set up similar to BWF's ranking points.

In our PAW Games ... No matter how good you are in picking winners, if you seldom play, you will find yourself be ranked lower than players who play regularly.

:):):)
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they prolly read have my posts and decide to write a feature news article on it:D:p
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Badminton: Gloomy days ahead when top shuttlers call it a day
By K.M. BOOPATHY

2008/11/25

AS China's back-up players were embarrassing several big names in the just concluded China Open Super Series in Shanghai, our second liners were resigned to do battle in the lesser known international challenger event in Kota Kinabalu. Malaysia did win three out of the five titles at stake but the sorry state of our future prospects explains Malaysia's predicament and gloomy days when the current crop of top shuttlers call it a day.

Kuan Beng Hong started his career in the junior ranks with World No 1 Lee Chong Wei and Hafiz Hashim but to see him winning his first international title at a satellite event is baffling.

What is more disturbing is that younger players like Chong Wei Feng, Tan Chun Seang, Arif Latif and Chan Kwong Beng are hardly in the same class as Beng Hong which means the BA of Malaysia (BAM) must treat this issue seriously.

BAM received a major boost when the government approved a RM24 million proposal to build a national training academy in Cheras but more importantly, the national body must look at the talent pool and plan ahead to fill the vacuum which will be left when the current batch are through.

China used to be in a similar predicament with only Lin Dan their true match winner while the likes of Bao Chunlai and Chen Jin regularly caved in due to pressure.

But now China have their young legion waiting in the wings and some have already started making an impact. This group have been impressive in all but the men's doubles.

Qiu Yanbo, Du Pengyu, Wen Kai, Gong Weijie and Zhou Wenlong competed in the recent China Open and there are other back-up players including Chen Long and world junior champion Wang Zhengming at China's disposal in the men's singles.

Yanbo has taken Chong Wei to three games twice this year while Pengyu upset Indonesia's Taufik Hidayat to reach the last eight in Shanghai.

Wen Kai upset Denmark's No 3 Joachim Persson on his way to the semi-finals.

Chong Wei himself has said that Zhengming, Lin Dan's training partner, is a player for the future.

China's women's singles have been boosted further by the presence of Wang Lin, Wang Yihan and Zhu Jingjing who are regularly beating their seniors, while Cheng Shu-Zhao Yunlei should become the dominant force in the women's doubles next year.

Malaysia's only consolation is that Chong Wei is still good for another three years while women's doubles Wong Pei Tty-Chin Eei Hui should be around till at least the 2010 Asian Games.

The men's doubles is the only department which has several promising young pairs coming up the ranks and doubles head coach Rexy Mainaky's task is to turn them into world beaters.

Even Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong are good enough for another six years while world junior champions Mak Hee Chun-Teo Kok Siang and Ong Jian Guo-Goh Wei Shem are the ones who can make it big with the right guidance.


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The World Ranking depends on how many points a player has earned from the latest series of tournaments played.

The World Ranking only does that.

If a player who plays well but not participating lately, his/her ranking would fall.

Let us look at China. Their Singles players are so strong that their 25th Chinese ranked player might even fit into the top 100 World Ranking easily. But they don't get a chance to participate, and therefore they are not found in the top 100 World Ranking.

Any stronger player who is taking a break from tournaments would surely find his/her ranking fall. And, any not so strong player who is working hard to participate in as many tournaments as possible would find his/her ranking rising (if he/she doesn't get knocked out in the first few rounds).

:):):)
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... the badminton world ranking system is a joke...

The ranking system is right for those who participate in BWF and SS events. Whoever participate will only duly have the right to earn their points in it.

However having the top rank for example LCW having the #1 spot cannot be justified unless he is consistently prove himself winning titles. But he did indeed played more tournaments than LinDan and technically the system will give him more points in the Ranking.

lin dan is always the best u cant mistake that LOL

In fact, anyone know what are the winning rate (latest 1 year and career) for the top 10 players? like tennis....

The ranking system is right for those who participate in BWF and SS events. Whoever participate will only duly have the right to earn their points in it.

However having the top rank for example LCW having the #1 spot cannot be justified unless he is consistently prove himself winning titles. But he did indeed played more tournaments than LinDan and technically the system will give him more points in the Ranking.

Within one year (from and including last HKSS in Dec 2007 up to the China SS last week), LD entered 8 competitions, vs LCW's 12 (excluding team events).

LD's achievement: 5 champions, 2 runner-up, 1 semi-finalist, i.e. all finished in top 4.
LCW's achievement: 2 champions, 6 runner-up, 2 semi-finalist, 2 stopped at 1/16 final.

So who's the real world No.1 on court, who's the No.1 on paper?

Therefore the badminton world ranking system is a joke at this point...

Within one year (from and including last HKSS in Dec 2007 up to the China SS last week), LD entered 8 competitions, vs LCW's 12 (excluding team events).

LD's achievement: 5 champions, 2 runner-up, 1 semi-finalist, i.e. all finished in top 4.
LCW's achievement: 2 champions, 6 runner-up, 2 semi-finalist, 2 stopped at 1/16 final.

So who's the real world No.1 on court, who's the No.1 on paper?

Therefore the badminton world ranking system is a joke at this point...

yes...i totally agree with u...:D...now...u go takeover bwf...cancel wr system...and do ur own system...sure no one will disagree...:rolleyes:

Therefore the badminton world ranking system is a joke at this point...

Yeah right...... so why not you come out with a world ranking system that is perfect then? :rolleyes:

Yeah right...... so why not you come out with a world ranking system that is perfect then? :rolleyes:

he/she will...when bc member all elect him/her to be bwf head...:rolleyes:

... the badminton world ranking system is a joke...



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All our Badminton Central PAWers have never argued over who should be our No.1 player in our PAW Ranking System.
Our PAW Ranking System is similar to that of the WBF's.

Perhaps we should welcome you to play our Badminton Central PAW Games. And there we can learn something from you on how to decide on who should be ranked as our No.1 PAW player. :cool:;):rolleyes:
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BWF should give small point for runner up....
the different between champion and runner up now in super series is so small gap....

BWF should look at tennis

Within one year (from and including last HKSS in Dec 2007 up to the China SS last week), LD entered 8 competitions, vs LCW's 12 (excluding team events).

LD's achievement: 5 champions, 2 runner-up, 1 semi-finalist, i.e. all finished in top 4.
LCW's achievement: 2 champions, 6 runner-up, 2 semi-finalist, 2 stopped at 1/16 final.

So who's the real world No.1 on court, who's the No.1 on paper?

Therefore the badminton world ranking system is a joke at this point...
:D
One semi-final appearance was when he purposely lost to CJ and the final of AE also

Does it mean he is really number 1?

Does it mean he is really number 1?
yes, he is the current world number 1 now;)

Does it mean he is really number 1?

sure he is...even he lost all his final...;)

sure he is...even he lost all his final...;)

yes, he is.. He is the world number 1 WITHOUT big tournament title..

yes, he is.. He is the world number 1 WITHOUT big tournament title..
LCW is a credible, deserving world number 1.How many MS WN1 are there in the past 5 years?
If you're trying to belittle LCW's efforts, let me enlighten you about how LD won his big tournament titles.LD has won his big tournament titles because he has the fortune of teammates waiting for him either in the Semi-finals or finals.
If LCW had the same fortune of that pattern,LCW would also have no problem winning big titles.The fact that LCW is able to reach WN1, on his own steam, on account of reaching SF,finals and winning titles consistently,speaks highly of his calibre.
This is not to question LD's achievements but do you want the pattern of how LD bag his big titles listed here to open your eyes and widen your mind? Better still, why don't you research it and list out here?
There's a high chance I could be wrong and it'll be great for you to correct me.

LCW is a credible, deserving world number 1.How many MS WN1 are there in the past 5 years?
If you're trying to belittle LCW's efforts, let me enlighten you about how LD won his big tournament titles.LD has won his big tournament titles because he has the fortune of teammates waiting for him either in the Semi-finals or finals.
If LCW had the same fortune of that pattern,LCW would also have no problem winning big titles.The fact that LCW is able to reach WN1, on his own steam, on account of reaching SF,finals and winning titles consistently,speaks highly of his calibre.
This is not to question LD's achievements but do you want the pattern of how LD bag his big titles listed here to open your eyes and widen your mind? Better still, why don't you research it and list out here?
There's a high chance I could be wrong and it'll be great for you to correct me.

May be you are right.. but Lin dan lose his WN1 because he skipped many tournaments. in 2008 LCW didn't beat lindan to win a title. Lindan's teammates just BCL & Chen jin who are competitive..
in my opinion i think Lindan is better.. u can see how he beat LCW so easy..
WN1 doesn't mean you are better than players below your ranking.
in MXD, i don't think NW/LN is better than XZB/ZYW, LYD/LHJ and others.
LCW can beat any players, but it's hard for him to beat lindan..

LCW can beat any players, but it's hard for him to beat lindan..


so...u admit he atleast is the 2nd best...;)

so...u admit he atleast is the 2nd best...;)

I don't say he is the 2nd best. I just say LCW is not better than lindan..

I don't say he is the 2nd best. I just say LCW is not better than lindan..

u say...lcw can beat anyone...but hard to beat lin dan...if not 2nd best???what to u mean???read the 1st sentence again...please...:rolleyes:

LCW hard to beat lindan. PG, taufik, sony, PSH hard to beat lindan too. Taufik beat LCW in their two last encounters.. So who is better? PG beat taufik in france ss final. So?

WHY u ask me????u are funny...tat statement are make by u...not me...

In my opinion, LCW is not better than lindan. That's all..

sure he is not...haha...

In my opinion, LCW is not better than lindan. That's all..

Besides LD, Datuk Lee is better than all INA players.:p:p

LCW is a credible, deserving world number 1.How many MS WN1 are there in the past 5 years?
If you're trying to belittle LCW's efforts, let me enlighten you about how LD won his big tournament titles.LD has won his big tournament titles because he has the fortune of teammates waiting for him either in the Semi-finals or finals.
If LCW had the same fortune of that pattern,LCW would also have no problem winning big titles.The fact that LCW is able to reach WN1, on his own steam, on account of reaching SF,finals and winning titles consistently,speaks highly of his calibre.
This is not to question LD's achievements but do you want the pattern of how LD bag his big titles listed here to open your eyes and widen your mind? Better still, why don't you research it and list out here?
There's a high chance I could be wrong and it'll be great for you to correct me.

I think to be the 2nd in the world is big big success. If you think of this, all gigant players of the top are under 2nd place STILL despite they all play fantastic.
But LD and LCW grabbed the thrown.

LCW is certainly second, it's all the matter of this topic. But second, not third, not tenth..

I think to be the 2nd in the world is big big success. If you think of this, all gigant players of the top are under 2nd place STILL despite they all play fantastic.
But LD and LCW grabbed the thrown.

LCW is certainly second, it's all the matter of this topic. But second, not third, not tenth.. a distance....second:p:D

Besides LD, Datuk Lee is better than all INA players.:p:p

yeah... based on ranking. but on the court?? :)