Taipei Open-Day 5 (13/09/2008)

[limsy]

U might want to revise that statement :rolleyes::cool:

The last time I counted, INA also has a deep pool of young talents in MD. Krisna and Hau-Ge can probably correct it for me.

Pelatnas First Team:
Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (still only 24 yo this year)
Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki (also same age as Kido/Hendra)
Hendra A. Gunawan/Joko Riyadi (26/21)
Bona Septano/Mohd Ahsan (21/21)

Djarum:
Fran Kurniawan/Rendra Wijaya (same batch as Kido/Hendra)
Rizky Yanu Kresnayadi/Albert Saputra (still a young and promising pair)
and many other young pairs still developing...

Pelatnas Second Team:
Fernando Kurniawan/Lingga Lie (at most 22 yo)
Wifqi Windarto/Afiat Yuris Wirawan (at most 20 or 21)
Adi Chrisna Wijaya/Syahmie Syarif Radhitian (younger than the above)
and some other players that are not exposed to tourneys yet.

Other young pair:
Rio Willianto/Davin Prawissa


Wifqi/Afiat still 19
Nando 20
Chrisna/Syahmie older than above, I guess 20
Rian/Yoke 23
Bona/Ahsan 21
Joko 23

i admit only ina and us on the same level...ok...ok...lets see...
koo/tan 21/23...younger than OG gold medalist...
rian24/yoke24,wr18(ten tourney point) is beaten by tan wee kiong/razif(19/21,wr 86,2 tourney point) here and hendra26/joko21,wr 20(ten tourney points) is beaten by ong soon hock25/hoon(21)wr 67(3 tourney point)here...
other than that,fran kurniawan/rendra wijaya,lingga lie/fernando and bona septano/ahsan is the one i know that is good...

btw...we have:fairuz/zakry,no need to explain...
chan peng soon(20/21)/lim khim wah(19),hmm...they beat gan/lin(-2nd class md) in penang open...hmm...and more to come

khoo chung chiat(20/21)/tan bing seng(25) beat fairuz/zakry(2nd class md) in penang open...and more to come

mak hee chun18/teo kok siang18,almost beat chan/chew in penang open...score 34 point from tony/candra here in 2nd round...asian junior md champion...

ong jian guo/goh wei shen,also almost beat chan/chew in penang open...rexy say this is the potential world beater in future in press interview...

we have 8...that can now compete in senior level...and u all have 6 like i wrote in my post that can compete in senior level...not international challenge...

u count off luluk/alvent,tony candra..we count off gan/lin,lee/chong,chan/chew...and others that play both ms and md....

prove me wrong by sending those youngster to grand prix/grand prix gold or super series AND CREATE SOME UPSET

peace...:)

[Sandy]

Thanks for the correction. Yup, I wrote wrongly for Joko Riyadi (1 year younger than Kido/Hendra).

I think both Rian and Yoke will turn 24 this year.

from PB Djarum website, wrote Rian, Yonathan and Fran are born 85, Rendra is born 84

[limsy]

where is klassee???...pls provide me the link for complete result...i need to update the upsets....^^...

[limsy]

upset so far...
ms:day 2
1)takuma ueda won tcs,17-21,21-15,21-19
2)hu yun won hong ji hoon,17-21,21-15,21-18
3)liao sheng shiun lost to kazushi yamada,21-16,21-13
4)chen hong beat chan yan kit,18-21,21-18,21-7
5)hsu jen hao beat teo kok siang,20-22,21-11,21-7
6)tanongsak lost to riichi takeshita9-21,22-20,23-21
7)kashyap beay sairul(2nd seed),18-21,23-21,21-14
day 3
no upsets
DAY 4
NO UPSETS
day 5
8)roslin(7th seed) beat nguyen tien minh(6th seed)21-17.17-21,21-18


ws:day 2
1)mayu sekiya beat firda(8th seed),21-19,21-19
2)porntip won hwang hye youn(5th seed),21-15,21-14
day 3
3)chiu yi ju beat cheng shao chieh(6th seed)21-12,21-17
4)pia beat julia wong(7th seed)21-18.22-20
DAY 4
5)chiu yi ju beat yao jie(4th seed)21-17,14-21,21-19
6)pia beat maria kristin(3rd seed)21-16.21-19
day 5
no upset

md:day 2
1)tan wee kiong/razif beat rian/yoke(3rd seed),21-15,21-17
2)hu chung hsien/tsai chia hsin(7th seed) lost to hendra wijaya/yoga21-16,21-19,21-18
3)chris adcock/robert blair beat chan/chew(5th seed),21-19,16-21,22-20
day 3
4)ahsan/septano beat gan/lin(8th seed) 24-22,21-10
day 4
5)hoon/ong beat gunawan/riyadi(4th seed)16-21,21-18,26-24
day 5
no upset

xd:day 2
1)anggun/endang won razif/sabrina(8th seed)18-21,21-19,21-19
2)tan wee kiong/woon khe wei beat chen hung ling/chou chia chi 21-19,22-20(3rd seed)
day 3
no upset
day 4
3)neilsen/pedersen beat lindley/rayappan(5th seed)14-21,21-18,21-13
4)lahardi/nurlita beat blair/bankier(2nd seed)13-21,22-20,23-21
day 5
no upset

wd:day 3(2 round)
1)rani/novita beat tsai pei ling/yang chia chen(2nd seed)21-14,21-7
day 4
no upsets
day 5
2)mundiasti/novita defeat sari/yao(3rd seed)2-1....will update complete score if i have later...

[Krisna]

U might want to revise that statement :rolleyes::cool:

The last time I counted, INA also has a deep pool of young talents in MD.

While MAS has their uncles CTF-LWW... INA also have ours:
Candra-Tony
Luluk-Alven
...in the event that Luluk is kicked out of our National Team, he can still pair up with Candra to become Candra-Luluk... :p 5% chance of this happening in 2009...

For the 2008 and 2009 Junior World Championship, it seems that Berry-Ullin is the most promising pair from INA... :) They are both 17 this year and have won 4 National Circuit titles so far... Berry-Ullin and Didit-Seiko virtually dominated the INA National Circuit since January. Both pairs are the favorite students of coach Sigit Budiarto. :cool:

[badMania]

For the 2008 and 2009 Junior World Championship, it seems that Berry-Ullin is the most promising pair from INA... :) They are both 17 this year and have won 4 National Circuit titles so far... Berry-Ullin and Didit-Seiko virtually dominated the INA National Circuit since January. Both pairs are the favorite students of coach Sigit Budiarto. :cool:

Ah...Djarum junior pairs. Let's see what they are made of once they are thrown to International Series & Challenge events.

[Jagdpanther]

i admit only ina and us on the same level...ok...ok...lets see...
koo/tan 21/23...younger than OG gold medalist...
rian24/yoke24,wr18(ten tourney point) is beaten by tan wee kiong/razif(19/21,wr 86,2 tourney point) here and hendra26/joko21,wr 20(ten tourney points) is beaten by ong soon hock25/hoon(21)wr 67(3 tourney point)here...
other than that,fran kurniawan/rendra wijaya,lingga lie/fernando and bona septano/ahsan is the one i know that is good...

btw...we have:fairuz/zakry,no need to explain...
chan peng soon(20/21)/lim khim wah(19),hmm...they beat gan/lin(-2nd class md) in penang open...hmm...and more to come

khoo chung chiat(20/21)/tan bing seng(25) beat fairuz/zakry(2nd class md) in penang open...and more to come

mak hee chun18/teo kok siang18,almost beat chan/chew in penang open...score 34 point from tony/candra here in 2nd round...asian junior md champion...

ong jian guo/goh wei shen,also almost beat chan/chew in penang open...rexy say this is the potential world beater in future in press interview...

we have 8...that can now compete in senior level...and u all have 6 like i wrote in my post that can compete in senior level...not international challenge...

u count off luluk/alvent,tony candra..we count off gan/lin,lee/chong,chan/chew...and others that play both ms and md....

prove me wrong by sending those youngster to grand prix/grand prix gold or super series AND CREATE SOME UPSET

peace...:)
Alright, alright.
I admit that MAS has vast pool of promising MDs.

However, IMO, this is almost exactly the same as several years ago.
If I recall, MAS had more than 5 good (and rather young) pairs, e.g:
CTF/LWW (still below 30 back then)
KKK/TBH
CCM/CCE
FUZ/ZY
GTC/LWF
TBS/OSH
HTH/forgot.

(Some had partner-changes)

Furthermore, Rexy was (and is) there as MD coach.

And...let's see...
In 2008 Beijing OG, who won the MD gold? I forgot...;)

Lastly, I believe in 'natural selection'.:rolleyes:

[limsy]

However, IMO, this is almost exactly the same as several years ago.
If I recall, MAS had more than 5 good pairs, e.g:
CTF/LWW (still below 30 back then)
CCM/CCE
GTC/LWF


ERM...CTF/LWW WILL RETIRE SOON...i excluded...ccm/cce i excluded,gan/lin also i excluded...read carefully...

gan/lin never a good pair until now...

we count potential md...we have lkw,cps,mhc,tks,gws,ojg,kcc,hth,twk and razif...
i not count in ong soon hock and tan bin shen for future talent...they are old...

[eaglehelang]

Furthermore, Rexy was (and is) there as MD coach.

And...let's see...
In 2008 Beijing OG, who won the MD gold? I forgot...;)

Lastly, I believe in 'natural selection'.:rolleyes:

My friend, Indonesia has the tradition of winning OG gold in baddy since...???
Tony/Chandra won one last in 2000. Indonesia MD missed the gold in 2004 edition (must divide a bit with other countries :p;))

Msia havent won one yet. Since Rexy came, we won AG gold & AE title in MD, after like 25 years. And if our MD does win gold in 2012, Rexy & gang will be creating 1st time history:)

[Jagdpanther]

I should be the one who said that. m'friend. Calm down.


However, IMO, this is almost exactly the same as several years ago.

Before 2008, MAS had almost similarly strong MD armada.
The members were those I mentioned.
Many of MAS fans believed, with these gigantic, Los Galacticos forces, 2008 OG MD gold would surely be theirs.

In reality?;)

And now, 2008. After OG. The cycle repeats.
MAS has another batch of young, promising MDs.
I believe, all of you may start seeing some light of another hope.

Understand what I mean?:rolleyes:

Relak la.
There's no way you can send all 8 pairs into 2012 OG, rite?

[Krisna]

Ah...Djarum junior pairs. Let's see what they are made of once they are thrown to International Series & Challenge events.

Knowing the history of Wifqy-Alfiat before them, Bery-Ullin will most probably be sent to:
2008 Brunei International Series/Challenge
2008 Malaysia International Series/Challenge
2009 Dutch Junior
2009 German Junior
2009 Laos Future Series
2009 Thailand International Series
2009 Singapore International Series
2009 Vietnam Internatioal Challenge
2009 Nepal International Series
2009 Indonesia International Challenge [if they don't change it to GP] ;)

if necessary
2009 Waikato International Challenge
2009 North Harbor International Series... :p

So they can compete well in the 2009 World Junior Championship [I think in Mexico]... :)

[limsy]

I should be the one who said that. m'friend. Calm down.

Before 2008, MAS had almost similarly strong MD armada.
The members were those I mentioned.
Many of MAS fans believed, with these gigantic, Los Galacticos forces, 2008 OG MD gold would surely be theirs.

In reality?;)

And now, 2008. After OG. The cycle repeats.
MAS has another batch of young, promising MDs.
I believe, all of you may start seeing some light of another hope.

Understand what I mean?:rolleyes:

oh....yes....sorry...my english is poor...

and i didnt say 2012 md gold will be us...:p...

and i think...this batch is more younger and better than what we have after rexy is here(2006)...way better...:p...

[yenloo]

so anyone can list out tmr match n is msia showing any match ... sry that if u have post previously

[limsy]

so anyone can list out tmr match n is msia showing any match ... sry that if u have post previously

12pm....start...astro 811
xd
ws
ms
wd
md...:)

[Krisna]

and...let's see...
In 2008 Beijing OG, who won the MD gold? I forgot...;)

He he he.... :D The 2007 World Champs [and current world #1] won! ;) Fair enough...


My friend, Indonesia has the tradition of winning OG gold in baddy since...???
Tony/Chandra won one last in 2000. Indonesia MD missed the gold in 2004 edition (must divide a bit with other countries :p;))


In Olympics MD, INA have always produced medalists! Every time since the beginning of badminton in the Olympics...
1992 Eddy Hartono-Gunawan: Silver ....[KOR won Gold]
1996 Ricky-Rexy: Gold
2000 Tony-Candra: Gold
2004 Flandy-Eng Hian: Bronze ....[KOR won Gold]
2008 Kido-Hendra: Gold

[limsy]

Relak la.
There's no way you can send all 8 pairs into 2012 OG, rite?

did i mention mas will win all md medal in 2012?????????????????????????????????????:confused :....

i just say mas md pool is deep compare to others country....is this equal to win gold or anything in 2012????

u misinterprate my post...:(

dont ever try to add something that i never said...

[PinkyPG]

can i have the results for the secs of Simon game today... did they play third set?

[limsy]

can i have the results for the secs of Simon game today... did they play third set?

NOPE...2-0...but i dont have the score...sorry:)

[PinkyPG]

thanks so much..^.^....

[Jagdpanther]

did i mention mas will win all md medal in 2012?????????????????????????????????????:confused :....

i just say mas md pool is deep compare to others country....is this equal to win gold or anything in 2012????

u misinterprate my post...:(

dont ever try to add something that i never said...

Hmm?
I've never said that sentence was intended as a reply to your posts...
Only intermezzo, really.

And I didn't say that MAS to win all 2012 MD medals, either.
However, with those fresh, good JMDs, obviously, you WANT it, don't you?:)

Hence, I said 'some light of another hope.'

That's all.

If I touch your nerves, I'm terribly sorry, then.

[yenloo]

thx limsy ...
enjoy ur match tmr ....
msia gogogo~!!!:D:D

[Labis]

can i have the results for the secs of Simon game today... did they play third set?


Simon won 16 n 15

[eaglehelang]

In Olympics MD, INA have always produced medalists! Every time since the beginning of badminton in the Olympics...
1992 Eddy Hartono-Gunawan: Silver ....[KOR won Gold]
1996 Ricky-Rexy: Gold
2000 Tony-Candra: Gold
2004 Flandy-Eng Hian: Bronze ....[KOR won Gold]
2008 Kido-Hendra: Gold

Yup, I knew there's a tradition, good tradition too :D.


.......However, with those fresh, good JMDs, obviously, you WANT it, don't you?:)

Hence, I said 'some light of another hope.'

.

My friend, I suppose, it started with the mention of the 2008 OG MD gold medalist, & I like the mighties too. :D

I think what Limsy & I meant is the MD dept improved since Rexy came. Has been discussed bf. If Msia MD win gold 2012, they break the barrier/create history/go up another level, etc, etc....you know the drill. If not,keep on trying.

Indonesia has had a tradition of winning OG golds in baddy, we just starting to get somewhere again (with LCw's silver)

Hehe, JMD -> cool short form. ;)

[badMania]

Talking about upsets:
Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki -- they are not exactly "young", but, I will consider them INA's no 2 pair after Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan with 1 Int. Challenge and GP titles in 2007. Over the past 1 year since they were formed, they have beaten:
(1) Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man, the 2008 OG Bronze Medallist (2007 Chinese-Taipei Open GP Gold)
(2) Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto (2007 Denmark Super Series)
(3) Tadashi Otsuka/Keita Masuda (2008 German Open GP)
(4) Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen (2008 Singapore Super Series)

Bona Septano/Mohd Ahsan -- with 1 Int. Challenge title in 2007 and the World University Badminton Championships title in 2008. Some of these might not be considered upsets, but, I will think these are notable victories:
(1) Cho Gun Woo/Yoo Yeon Seong (several times last year)
(2) Hoon Thien How/Ong Soon Hock (2008 Singapore Super Series)
(3) Simon Mollyhus/Anders Kristiansen (2008 Indonesia Super Series)
(4) Lim Khim Wah/Tan Bin Shen (2008 Thailand Open GP Gold)
(5) Gan Teik Chai/Lin Woon Fui (2008 Chinese-Taipei Open GP Gold)

Fran Kurniawan/Rendra Wijaya -- also won't consider them young, but, they are rising up the ranking tables very fast this year with 3 Int. Challenges and 1 Int. Series titles.
(1) Henri Kurniawan Saputra/Hendra Wijaya (2007 Dutch Open GP)
(2) Simon Mollyhus/Anders Kristiansen (2008 Spanish Int. Challenge)

Hendra A. Gunawan/Joko Riyadi -- not young for sure (esp AG) and a split is probably needed if they are not producing anything spectacular this year. But, they have beaten several top pairs in the past 2 years:
(1) Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae (2007 Swiss Super Series)
(2) Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen (2007 Singapore Super Series)
(3) Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya (2007 China Super Series)
(4) Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo (2008 Korea Super Series)

Other promising pairs:
Fernando Kurniawan/Lingga Lie (formed this year, Winner of 2 International Series in 2008)

Wifqi Windarto/Afiat Yuris Wirawan (Winner of 1 International Series in 2007, 1 Futures Series in 2008, and Runner-Up in 1 International Challenge in 2008)
(1) Mohd Razif Abdul Latif/Chan Peng Soon (2007 Thailand Open GP Gold)
(2) Goh Wei Shern/Ong Jian Guo (2008 Thailand International Series)
(3) Mak Hee Chun/Teo Kok Siang (2008 Thailand International Series)

Adi Chrisna Wijaya/Syahmie Syarif Radhitian
(1) Kwon Yi Goo/Koo Sung Hyun (2008 Indonesia International Challenge)

Rizky Yanu Kresnayadi/Albert Saputra
(1) Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki (2008 Indonesia Super Series)

On paper, INA have 1 really solid pair (Kido/Hendra), 4 established pairs (Rian/Yoke, Fran/Rendra, AG/Joko, Bona/Ahsan), and 4 promising pairs (21 or below), which are enough for backups. Of course, some of these players have beaten the MAS Junior pairs that are listed above.

On a thought, we are considered to be lucky if two of the young pairs and 2 of the established pairs can occupy the top 10 of the rankings table in the future.

My money is on Rian/Yoke or Fran/Rendra, Bona/Ahsan, Wifqi/Afiat, and Syahmie/Adi for the moment.

[limsy]

Talking about upsets:
Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki -- they are not exactly "young", but, I will consider them INA's no 2 pair after Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan with 1 Int. Challenge and GP titles in 2007. Over the past 1 year since they were formed, they have beaten:
(1) Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man, the 2008 OG Bronze Medallist (2007 Chinese-Taipei Open GP Gold)
(2) Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto (2007 Denmark Super Series)
(3) Tadashi Otsuka/Keita Masuda (2008 German Open GP)
(4) Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen (2008 Singapore Super Series)

Bona Septano/Mohd Ahsan -- with 1 Int. Challenge title in 2007 and the World University Badminton Championships title in 2008. Some of these might not be considered upsets, but, I will think these are notable victories:
(1) Cho Gun Woo/Yoo Yeon Seong (several times last year)
(2) Hoon Thien How/Ong Soon Hock (2008 Singapore Super Series)
(3) Simon Mollyhus/Anders Kristiansen (2008 Indonesia Super Series)
(4) Lim Khim Wah/Tan Bin Shen (2008 Thailand Open GP Gold)
(5) Gan Teik Chai/Lin Woon Fui (2008 Chinese-Taipei Open GP Gold)

Fran Kurniawan/Rendra Wijaya -- also won't consider them young, but, they are rising up the ranking tables very fast this year with 3 Int. Challenges and 1 Int. Series titles.
(1) Henri Kurniawan Saputra/Hendra Wijaya (2007 Dutch Open GP)
(2) Simon Mollyhus/Anders Kristiansen (2008 Spanish Int. Challenge)

Hendra A. Gunawan/Joko Riyadi -- not young for sure (esp AG) and a split is probably needed if they are not producing anything spectacular this year. But, they have beaten several top pairs in the past 2 years:
(1) Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae (2007 Swiss Super Series)
(2) Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen (2007 Singapore Super Series)
(3) Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya (2007 China Super Series)
(4) Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo (2008 Korea Super Series)

Other promising pairs:
Fernando Kurniawan/Lingga Lie (formed this year, Winner of 2 International Series in 2008)

Wifqi Windarto/Afiat Yuris Wirawan (Winner of 1 International Series in 2007, 1 Futures Series in 2008, and Runner-Up in 1 International Challenge in 2008)
(1) Mohd Razif Abdul Latif/Chan Peng Soon (2007 Thailand Open GP Gold)
(2) Goh Wei Shern/Ong Jian Guo (2008 Thailand International Series)
(3) Mak Hee Chun/Teo Kok Siang (2008 Thailand International Series)

Adi Chrisna Wijaya/Syahmie Syarif Radhitian
(1) Kwon Yi Goo/Koo Sung Hyun (2008 Indonesia International Challenge)

Rizky Yanu Kresnayadi/Albert Saputra
(1) Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki (2008 Indonesia Super Series)

On paper, INA have 1 really solid pair (Kido/Hendra), 4 established pairs (Rian/Yoke, Fran/Rendra, AG/Joko, Bona/Ahsan), and 4 promising pairs (21 or below), which are enough for backups. Of course, some of these players have beaten the MAS Junior pairs that are listed above.

On a thought, we are considered to be lucky if two of the young pairs and 2 of the established pairs can occupy the top 10 of the rankings table in the future.

My money is on Rian/Yoke or Fran/Rendra, Bona/Ahsan, Wifqi/Afiat, and Syahmie/Adi for the moment.


thanks for the info...hehe...i will keep this in my notepad...^^...:p

[samuel882]

Based on Badmania's input, we could see more rivalry between MAS & INA MD pair in the future, beside What we have now KKK/TBH vs MK/HS

1) Rian/Yoke vs Zakry/Fariuz

2) Joko/ Hendra vs HoonTH /Ong SH

3) Fran /Rendra vs Tan WK/ Razif

4) Bona / Ahsan vs Koo CC/Tan BS

5) Wifqi Windarto/Afiat Yuris Wirawan vs Goh Wei Shern/Ong Jian Guo

6) Adi Chrisna Wijaya/Syahmie Syarif Radhitian vs Mark/Teo

7) Fernando Kurniawan/Lingga Lie vs Lim Khim Wah/ Chang Peng Soon


7 promising pairs for each countries
All the MAS pairs above were just formed this year, after the TC final.
And don't forget Korea & China too:

1. Xu Chen/sun Chun Jie
2. Chai Biao/Liu Xiaolong
3. Shen Ye/He Hanbin


1. Cho Gun Woo/Yoo Yeon Seong
2. Kwon Yi Goo/Koo Sung Hyun

[badMania]

1. Cho Gun Woo/Yoo Yeon Seong
2. Kwon Yi Goo/Koo Sung Hyun

These 2 pairs are KOR MD pairs which I rate very very high. Cho Gun Woo was the winner of WJC and AJC with Lee Yong Dae. Kwon/Ko have scored some upsets over the past 1.5 years.

[robin7]

These 2 pairs are KOR MD pairs which I rate very very high. Cho Gun Woo was the winner of WJC and AJC with Lee Yong Dae. Kwon/Ko have scored some upsets over the past 1.5 years.
They should put Cho GW back with Lee YD considering Jung JS is already over 25 (not sure abt his actual age).