Super Series Finals 2008.. the Grand Finale

[Chaojidan]

Is the Season Finale going to happen? if so, when and where? I heard that only the top eight players/pairs ranked in the Super Series are qualified to compete. It would be an exclusive tournament only for super stars, really exciting! Hope it will materialised.

[ants]

At last the Grand Finale is here.. $500,000.00 in prize money is ups for grabs.

It will be in the Kota Kinabalu, Sabah in Malaysia starting 18-21 of December.

Only the Top Eight Qualifies and limited to 2 entries per country/member association per event.

This is the Big one!

[Dreamzz]

aha, marvelous.
i'll be back in malaysia by then, hopefully astro will cover all the games!

[suetyan]

ohhh... too bad it is in KK, if it is in KL, how convenient it is... haha..

[PlayaFromMalaya]

hah dont think all the top players will want to participate here , no ranking points rite?

[suetyan]

hah dont think all the top players will want to participate here , no ranking points rite?
ya, no ranking points.. I think like last year, China will not participate also

[george@chongwei]

ahh!
at least there is an super series grand finale here..:)
to be held in MALAYSIA! great!

[george@chongwei]

ya, no ranking points.. I think like last year, China will not participate also
erm, last year got super series final kah??

[chemile]

erm, last year got super series final kah??

no, they cancelled it. I hope this year there is no cancel anymore. If CHN players is not attend, there is no problem, still have top players other than CHN... :)

[phaarix]

I hope China goes, is there any official word on that? I think it will kind of ruin the whole point if they don't. It's hardly a final then...

If there are more than 2 players ranked in the top 8, then does the association decide what 2 players to send, or does it just go by ranking?

[george@chongwei]

lets wait and see whether china will be sending their top players to this SS Final..

[leonardklh]

great.. in SABAH...

[volcom]

They should send some players if the prize money is worthwhile

[limsy]

wait...they held this same time with mas international challenge???am i correct?

[ants]

For sure Lin Dan will not be around. Dont think he qualified for it..

[CLELY]

For sure Lin Dan will not be around. Dont think he qualified for it..

Yup, I also notice that LD only participates 3 SS in this year so far -- KOR, All England and SUI and he had missed 7 SS, MAS-SIN-INA-CHN Masters-JPN-DEN-FRA.

Thanx ants for the info! There's news article in BWF website -- SS Masters Finals is ON!

[george@chongwei]

from thestar online..

Malaysia to host prestigious event — but there’s no Lin Dan

By RAJES PAUL

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia has been given the honour of hosting the long-awaited inaugural Super Series Masters Finals from Dec 18-21 in Kota Kinabalu.
But there’s one setback. Olympic Games men’s singles champion Lin Dan of China will not grace the presitigous US$500,000 tournament after failing to meet the qualification requirement.
Only the top eight singles players and top eight doubles players after 12 legs of the Super Series will feature in the lucrative Masters Finals.
And even if a shuttler is ranked in the top eight, the player must have competed in eight Super Series events to be eligible for the Masters Finals.
Lin Dan, who is currently ranked in the top eight, has only competed in three legs of the Super Series — South Korea (runner-up), All-England (runner-up) and Swiss Open (champion).
All the qualifiers will be finalised after the last two legs in China (Nov 18-23) and Hong Kong (Nov 25-30).
In fact, even Malaysia’s top players have yet to qualify although all of them are in the top eight bracket.
National No. 1 men’s singles ace Lee Chong Wei has competed in only seven Super Series so far, including the on-going French Open while top women’s singles player Wong Mew Choo and top men’s doubles pair Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong have taken part in seven and six respectively.
That means all of them can’t afford to skip the last two Super Series in China and Hong Kong.
Badminton fans can now expect all the players to make a last-ditch effort to feature in the last two Opens to qualify for the Masters Finals.
Yesterday, the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) and Badminton World Federation (BWF) announced the appointment of Malaysia as the host at a joint press conference at Stadium Juara in Bukit Kiara.
The BWF said they were happy to finally be able to host the Masters Finals after having to scrap last year’s Super Series season finale due to financial difficulties.
“We were disappointed last year. But we have some good partners to make it happen this year,” said BWF secretary general Stuart Borrie, who added that BAM, Yonex Sunrise and international television broadcast rights holder ISC were their key partners.

[phaarix]

I think they really should revise their qualification requirements... Eight Super Series seems quite a lot. And for a number 2 in the world, Olympic Champion not to qualify? Ridiculous!

I don't really understand the minimum of eight SS bit. I mean to get into the top eight in the first place they'd either have to enter a lot anyway, or do very well in the few they do enter... which to get into the top eight should more than prove their worth if others behind them can't achieve the same with more tournaments under their belt... So what's the point?

[ants]

Its Super Series Finals. I think the requirements if fair. Its like the Tennis Masters. You have to fight it out to the next round or next Master Series no matter if you are top ranked player or not.

[Oldhand]

The event will be poorer because of this rule.

[phaarix]

Its Super Series Finals. I think the requirements if fair. Its like the Tennis Masters. You have to fight it out to the next round or next Master Series no matter if you are top ranked player or not.
Well yes it might be fair... but I still personally think they'd do better without that particular requirement. Especially when they make such a big point of it being only the "TOP eight players", you'd think they'd put more emphasis on actual ranking than the amount of tournaments played.

[Oldhand]

Well yes it might be fair... but I still personally think they'd do better without that particular requirement. Especially when they make such a big point of it being only the "TOP eight players", you'd think they'd put more emphasis on actual ranking than the amount of tournaments played.
By no definition can they be described as the 'Top Eight' players.
Perhaps, the 'Top Eight Tourers' or 'Top Eight Triers' would be apt.

[ctjcad]

..can someone tally up all the points won by all the top 8 SS Grand Finale qualifiers, in singles or doubles events (if you guys know who they are)??..:cool:

As for the concept behind this format, well, should we be surprised? After all, it's the same IBF/BWF body which formulated the Thomas & Uber Cup competition system/format (until recently where they decided to amend it for future TC & UC tourneys).:ohttp://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/45.gif
I think, in some way, i can see the reasoning behind this SS Grand Finale as it's geared towards rewarding those players who've participated and finished well in, at least, 8 SS events; not so much as to reward or put on display the actual "world top players". Kind of like trying to promote the Super Series. Points gained, by the players, from participating in those tourneys would probably justify their eligibility as well; although some players who've participated in more SS tourneys might not necessarily have more points than those who've participated in less SS tourneys.
It might not be favorable to some or most of us, but it's an interesting system.

[ctjcad]

..(crossing fingers and toes)...it has materialized, FINALLY!!;):
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62254

[phaarix]

By no definition can they be described as the 'Top Eight' players.
Perhaps, the 'Top Eight Tourers' or 'Top Eight Triers' would be apt.

Yeah that's exactly what I mean :). The idea of promoting is interesting though ctjcad. I guess that could be one explanation for the ruling (regardless of whether or not I agree with it :p).

Of course, don't get me wrong! However it turns out I'll still be looking forward it!

[hcyong]

It is called the "Super Series Finals", so top 8 here means the top 8 Super Series players. If you win everything else but did not enter a single Super Series event, you are a great player but it's hard to justify you being a top 8 Super Series player.

They should remove the nationality limitation, but other than that, I think it's fair. Right from the start, everyone knows what the rules are. We can't help it if Lin Dan or others doesn't care about the Super Series.

[phaarix]

It is called the "Super Series Finals", so top 8 here means the top 8 Super Series players. If you win everything else but did not enter a single Super Series event, you are a great player but it's hard to justify you being a top 8 Super Series player.

They should remove the nationality limitation, but other than that, I think it's fair. Right from the start, everyone knows what the rules are. We can't help it if Lin Dan or others doesn't care about the Super Series.

I don't mean world ranking. According to the BWF site - Lin Dan is ranked at no. 7 in the Super Series ranking (that's what it's based on right?), so I assume that means that seeing as China has 3 players in the top they can choose which to send? Anyway I don't just mean Lin Dan, I mean if any player makes it to the top 8 in the *super series ranking* with less than 8 tournaments then why should they be denied a spot?

Ok I suppose his ranking of number 7 includes the points he got last year too... So perhaps he doesn't qualify anyway... But lets say those tournaments were included - that's still only 6 - 2 less than 8! I really do think 8 is too high a requirement. Quality over quantity.

[abedeng]

Anyone going to KK for the Super Series finals?

I am tempted, haven't decided yet.

[CYW2006]

any infomation about the ticket....
can buy it earlier or not....
like world championship...

[hcyong]

I don't mean world ranking. According to the BWF site - Lin Dan is ranked at no. 7 in the Super Series ranking (that's what it's based on right?), so I assume that means that seeing as China has 3 players in the top they can choose which to send? Anyway I don't just mean Lin Dan, I mean if any player makes it to the top 8 in the *super series ranking* with less than 8 tournaments then why should they be denied a spot?

Ok I suppose his ranking of number 7 includes the points he got last year too... So perhaps he doesn't qualify anyway... But lets say those tournaments were included - that's still only 6 - 2 less than 8! I really do think 8 is too high a requirement. Quality over quantity.

Oh, right. Besides the nationality limitation, I agree with you on this particular entry requirement. Me thinks as long as you are in the top 8 of the Super Series ranking, you should qualify.

(I do understand why BWF would want to impose this rule. And also the nationality limitation rule. Still does not make it fair though.)

[Sandy]

The event will be poorer because of this rule.

agree
the rules made the tournament less interesting

In my mind "The Grand Final" should be,
- no limitation number of player for every nation.
- no limitation of minimum number of tournament, as long as the players include the top-8, they should be qualify.

- give ranking points when those limitation avoided

[chris-ccc]

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As Badminton is becoming organised as a Professional Sport, professional Badminton players will need to be looked after by professional sports managers to attend to the 'Fine Prints in the Conditions of Entry for Tournaments'.

Just have a look at other sports. Their professional players concentrate mainly in their trainings and matches. All other matters such as tournament entries, schedules, travels, accommodations, meals, etc... are organised/planned by their managers.

It's time for more professional sports managers to get involved in Badminton. Our professional Badminton players need them.

:):):)
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[spchu]

I am tempted to go too.... So any Sabah ppl in Badmintoncentral here? Can we stay in your houses ;)

[ronnie14]

i am tempted too..waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!

[abedeng]

agree
the rules made the tournament less interesting

In my mind "The Grand Final" should be,
- no limitation number of player for every nation.
- no limitation of minimum number of tournament, as long as the players include the top-8, they should be qualify.

- give ranking points when those limitation avoided

I think the ruling is pretty much the same as the old Grand Prix Finals of the 80s-90s era, except for these two ruling. The only criteria then was ranking points.

[mikeyapkf]

This does not augur well to the game. Imagine a Grand Final Super Series minus the great Lin Dan and other top players. They should not allow this to happen. To be fair, all winners of Super Series should qualify to play for the ultimate Finals...like see who is the Best amongst the Best! If the winner is less then the required number, then they should take the runner-ups...and so on to make it. Then everyone will be aiming to be champion to qualify for this ultimate ....championship. The criteria should change and not have to play all super series to qualify. Then if a loser always participate, can he still qualify to the ultimate finals? That would be real boring...I prefer champion playing against champion like the Tennis Masters...That will be cool...My dream player will be LCW, LD, Peter Gade, Taufik, Chen Jin, Top Korean players, Boonsak, Sony Dwi Koncoro...

[chris-ccc]

This does not augur well to the game. Imagine a Grand Final Super Series minus the great Lin Dan and other top players. They should not allow this to happen. To be fair, all winners of Super Series should qualify to play for the ultimate Finals...like see who is the Best amongst the Best! If the winner is less then the required number, then they should take the runner-ups...and so on to make it. Then everyone will be aiming to be champion to qualify for this ultimate ....championship. The criteria should change and not have to play all super series to qualify. Then if a loser always participate, can he still qualify to the ultimate finals?


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mikeyapkf ... We all misunderstood... The Super Series Grand Finals is for participants in the SS.

For example;
The current top 8 MS in the SS Standings (as at 30-Oct-2008) are:
1. LCW
2. BCL
3. SDK
4. CJ
5. KJ
6. PG
7. LD
8. JP

The current top 8 MS in the BWF World Rankings (as at 30-Oct-2008) are:
1. LCW
2. LD
3. CJ
4. BCL
5. SDK
6. KJ
7. PG
8. JP

Source: click here (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/ranking.asp)

Some top players elect to concentrate to win the World Championships. Some the Olympic Games Gold. Some the Super Series Prize Money. Some the Thomas Cup, etc...

We cannot ask all our professional Badminton players to participate in all of them, even though we wish/hope for them to do so.

For example, we have to respect Lin Dan's wishes, if he regards the SS Prize Money to be not as important/valuable compared to the World Championship Title, or the Olympic Gold, or for the Thomas Cup, etc...

Our professional players can select what Titles/Prize Monies/Golds/Cups they wish to win. If they were to participate in all the events, it will become too hard a schedule for them.
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[Woody]

The reason why the 2007 Finals did not happen was because the main sponsor of the Super Series pulled out half way through the year.

This meant that BWF actually paid the prize money for the last 6 SS events for 2007 and then the first few of 2008. I assume that a new sponsor has been found and is not only paying the prize money for this years events but will also sponsor the finals in December.

I have no idea who the sponsor was that pulled ou in 2007 or who the new sponsor is in 2008

[Louisa]

Anyone going to KK for the Super Series finals?

I am tempted, haven't decided yet.
abg din, cat & kitten are considering, too...:D:D:D, Uncle Loh did ask...

[zzz...]

I will be camping for this, think the rule is fair... Anyway, any rule bound to have some people unhappy, no rule will make everyone happy.

Can't wait for this Finale...

[pjswift]

Anyone going to KK for the Super Series finals?

I am tempted, haven't decided yet.
How not to when it's the best of the best? That's maximum quality with minimum loss of time.
In fact I happened to visit KK last month. Worth another visit.
Count me and I believe, Jen , in.
What's the official hotel?
How about taking care of the accm since you're so good at negotiating? The hotel prices are twice that of JKT for the similar class though.

[Krisna]

ya, no ranking points.. I think like last year, China will not participate also

Well, if that's how China thinks... [a tournament with no ranking = not important]... then, thank you China... :D Give the rest of the world a chance to earn US$ 500,000! It is good for badminton worldwide!!! ;)

[huangkwokhau]

They should announce this way ahead..this put disadvantages for some players like Wacha...he has a chacne to be in super series final...if he is not participating in HKG and China Open then he wont qualify..Simon also did not kow and he is still sick so Taufik has a clear advantage over Simon.......Flandy/Vita has a chance but since they did not know if SS Final will be exist ,Vita told me that she and flandy still could register to play China/HKG Open to qualify (8 tournaments) even now they rank 6...

I hope BWF announces early January 2009 so all players are aware.
When I was in French Open...Some players are in doubt if SS Final will be...they did asl BWF official to make sure it is not BS like last year....

[ants]

Apparently the Association of the country knows. Maybe they didnt inform the coaches and the players?

[huangkwokhau]

Apparently the Association of the country knows. Maybe they didnt inform the coaches and the players?
No even PBSI did not know at all.......not even DEN or China also...they did hear the rumour a week before BWF announced it...they did think it was supposed in China...
Even Candra heard of it but not sure it would happen....even TH did not know..he is busy with exhibition in Phillipine,Toronto in December and hoping to get invited for Copenhagen Masters even Sony/MK/HS....

I can say that this is being managed poorly........by BWF....now suddenly Andrew Smith or Ng Wei has a chance to be in top 8...:confused::eek:

[ants]

No even PBSI did not know at all.......not even DEN or China also...they did hear the rumour a week before BWF announced it...they did think it was supposed in China...
Even Candra heard of it but not sure it would happen....even TH did not know..he is busy with exhibition in Phillipine,Toronto in December and hoping to get invited for Copenhagen Masters even Sony/MK/HS....

I can say that this is being managed poorly........by BWF....now suddenly Andrew Smith or Ng Wei has a chance to be in top 8...:confused::eek:

Well at least they have chance to win the big bucks. So next year.. those who missed the SS F this year.. will participate in more SS events.

[Yong_Hui]

i'm interesting with the case in double; how if they have separate?
and also in MD Chandra/Tony according to current rank is qualified for the SS final. Which country they representing? INA has 2 doubles in top 8 SS rank; KinDra and luluk/alvent..

[pjswift]

The reason why the 2007 Finals did not happen was because the main sponsor of the Super Series pulled out half way through the year.

This meant that BWF actually paid the prize money for the last 6 SS events for 2007 and then the first few of 2008. I assume that a new sponsor has been found and is not only paying the prize money for this years events but will also sponsor the finals in December.

I have no idea who the sponsor was that pulled ou in 2007 or who the new sponsor is in 2008
Why should sponsors hide their identity? Wouldn't they want to be known so they can earn goodwill or increased sales from it?

[AlanY]

agree
the rules made the tournament less interesting

In my mind "The Grand Final" should be,
- no limitation number of player for every nation.
- no limitation of minimum number of tournament, as long as the players include the top-8, they should be qualify.

- give ranking points when those limitation avoided

i remember that years ago when china first started to play in international tournaments, one year in all england 1/4 final 7 out of the 8 WS are chinese plus a danish. we dont really want to see that again, do we?

as for min 8 SS to qualify, let say for the olympics year one can play in 7 SS and won them all plus the olympics gold metal and still not qualify for the 'FINAL'! what a joke.

[ctjcad]

..based on the news/reports for this yr's Super Series Finale, the main/key sponsors are:
Yonex Sunrise (S'pore)
BAM
ISC (International television broadcast rights holder)

(actually the upcoming edition is technically delayed from last yr. Remember last yr's year end SS Finale was postponed to January this yr. Then they scratched the plan. So, i guess the one coming up is actually from last yr's):p

[ctjcad]

..(this is just an exception) BWF to amend the current rule and allow the top 8 SS qualifiers from last year and this year to participate. In other words, just merge last yr's SS tourneys with this yr's.
BWF planned the whole SS Grand Finale at beginning of last yr only to see them botched up the SS Grand Finale plan from last year, thus we never had one. So, the one coming up is, technically, from last year.
I think if they held a SS Grand Finale last yr, then this yr's SS Grand Finale would justify only those who participated in this yr's SS tourneys.:cool:

[pjswift]

i remember that years ago when china first started to play in international tournaments, one year in all england 1/4 final 7 out of the 8 WS are chinese plus a danish. we dont really want to see that again, do we?

as for min 8 SS to qualify, let say for the olympics year one can play in 7 SS and won them off plus the olympics gold metal and still not qualify for the 'FINAL'! what a joke.
Actually, no one's stopping LD from missing SS tournaments.But LYB usually discourage LD from playing unless he has a good chance of winning.He knows it's not good for LD's image or confidence if LD were to lose in ,say,JO08,CM08,DO08 or FO08 after his sensational OG08 gold.Look at BCL, CJ and LCW.They have not been in impressive form after OG08.LYB had pulled LD out of IO07? after he lost to BP in SPO07? because LYB knew LD's confidence would drop and so in no condition to win IO07?
But LD made the right decision to focus on OG.His OG gold is probably worth 20 years of winning SSF, judging from what taneepak said about LD's endorsement deals.Smart LD.

[huangkwokhau]

i remember that years ago when china first started to play in international tournaments, one year in all england 1/4 final 7 out of the 8 WS are chinese plus a danish. we dont really want to see that again, do we?

as for min 8 SS to qualify, let say for the olympics year one can play in 7 SS and won them all plus the olympics gold metal and still not qualify for the 'FINAL'! what a joke.
Not only LD, KOR MIX also wont qualify....the problem..most of gold medalists are happy and prefer not to particpate more tournaments after olympics.....Kido/Hendra participated right after Olympics...so why cant LD and KOR XD do same thing?

[huangkwokhau]

Because of late announcement from BWF and with minimum of 8 SS, many players wont qualify:

LD
XXF
He Han bin/Yuyang (only 7 with upcoming HKG and China)
FHF/CY
XZB/Zhang Ya wen
Flandy/Vita
LYD/LHJ
LHJ/her partner
LYD/JJS
Lee Jiman/his partner
Reiko/Ogura
Alvent/Luluk
Park Sung Hwan
One of Japanese MD

Trust me!! If BWF let this announcement earlier, I am sure China wont split FHF and Cai Yun and will send HHB/YY to denmark ....
I just think it is not fair..................

[chris-ccc]

Apparently the Association of the country knows. Maybe they didn't inform the coaches and the players?







No even PBSI did not know at all.......not even DEN or China also...they did hear the rumour a week before BWF announced it...they did think it was supposed in China...

I can say that this is being managed poorly........by BWF...



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BWF cannot be blamed. And the all National Associations know it.

For those who do not know, BWF is trying to follow the IOC (International Olympic Committee).

BWF wanted to remain as an international non-governmental non-profit organisation, but an organiser of Badminton tournament schedules.

BWF informed all National Associations that they wish to have a city to host the SS Finals. The city is to provide a venue for the tournament, accommodation (like an Olympic Village) for players and officials, advertisements/ticket sales for the event, etc...

BWF said they will supply the prize monies of US$500,000.00. But all other incomes/expenses are to be earned/incurred by the host city. It's just like what the IOC do for the Olympics.

Of course, BWF will look at how well the organising skills and the venue condition of previous sporting events held in that city.

We, here in Melbourne, Australia, were given the OK to host the SS Finals. We have the skills and venue to hold it. Unfortunately, because Badminton is not as popular here, we couldn't get enough financial support from sponsors and the government. We estimated that we need to supply US$250,000.00 to hold the event. And we weren't sure that we could recuperate this amount through ticket sales. Eventually, we gave up our wish to host it, only just last week.

Luckily, for us Badminton fans, Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia, said they would hold the event if Melbourne, Australia, couldn't.

All our problems in holding Badminton tournaments go back to MONEY, not the management or the organising skills.

Cheers... chris@ccc
:):):)
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[huangkwokhau]

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BWF cannot be blamed. And the all National Associations know it.

For those who do not know, BWF is trying to follow the IOC (International Olympic Committee). BWF wanted to remain as an international non-governmental non-profit organisation, but an organiser of Badminton tournament schedules.

BWF informed all National Associations that they wish to have a city to host the SS Finals. The city is to provide a venue for the tournament, accommodation (like an Olympic Village) for players and officials, advertisements/ticket sales for the event, etc...

BWF said they will supply the prize monies of US$500,000.00. But all other incomes/expenses are to be earned/incurred by the host city. It's just like what the IOC do for the Olympics.

Of course, BWF will look at how well the organising skills and the venue condition of previous sporting events held in that city.

We, here in Melbourne, Australia, were given the OK to host the SS Finals. We have the skills and venue to hold it. Unfortunately, because Badminton is not as popular here, we couldn't get enough financial support from sponsors and the government. We estimated that we need to supply US$250,000.00 to hold the event. And we weren't sure that we could recuperate this amount through ticket sales. Eventually, we gave up our wish to host it, only just last week.

Luckily, for us Badminton fans, Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia, said they would hold the event if Melbourne, Australia, couldn't.

All our problems in holding Badminton tournaments go back to MONEY, not the management or the organising skills.

Cheers... chris@ccc
:):):)
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Trust me!! most of federations did not know that SS final will happen.....why?? last August I asked BWF and they are not sure if they will have it....so how you are so sure that all federations knows about it....we knew it last year guess what it did not happen...
For example.Tony/Candra declined Copenhagen Master to join SS Final..guess what? no SS final and no Copenhagen for them either...who was to blame? BWF....
Even last year..BWF said that they had sponsor but no host...I said that Jakarta could be the host..guess what? actually they had NO Sponsorship...thats all lies from BWF...even some players gave up about SS Final!!..again,..we will blame BWF...

[eaglehelang]

Because of late announcement from BWF and with minimum of 8 SS, many players wont qualify:


Trust me!! If BWF let this announcement earlier, I am sure China wont split FHF and Cai Yun and will send HHB/YY to denmark ....
I just think it is not fair..................


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Of course, BWF will look at how well the organising skills and the venue condition of previous sporting events held in that city.

We, here in Melbourne, Australia, were given the OK to host the SS Finals. We have the skills and venue to hold it. Unfortunately, because Badminton is not as popular here, we couldn't get enough financial support from sponsors and the government. We estimated that we need to supply US$250,000.00 to hold the event. And we weren't sure that we could recuperate this amount through ticket sales. Eventually, we gave up our wish to host it, only just last week.

Luckily, for us Badminton fans, Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia, said they would hold the event if Melbourne, Australia, couldn't.

All our problems in holding Badminton tournaments go back to MONEY, not the management or the organising skills.

Cheers... chris@ccc
:):):)
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So, the late announcement was due to no host country until last minute and BWF didnt want to suffer embarrassment of last year when it had to be cancelled. If they announced earlier but host country pulled out last minute, problem. If they dont announce earlier, the coaches & players cant plan accordingly,hmmm, catch 22.
;)

[hcyong]

Bottom line is it all comes down to money. If we were tennis, we'd have money all lined up years in advance, and therefore the schedule can be pretty much fixed from much early on.

[abedeng]

abg din, cat & kitten are considering, too...:D:D:D, Uncle Loh did ask...

Hish, KK is too close for u, maybe u should do the honours of arranging our accommodation ..... I am too tired to do that with all my projects still on-going.

[pjswift]

Not only LD, KOR MIX also wont qualify....the problem..most of gold medalists are happy and prefer not to particpate more tournaments after olympics.....Kido/Hendra participated right after Olympics...so why cant LD and KOR XD do same thing?
I don't think CHN care that much about SSF because of the max 2 per country rule.They indicated that before.KOR 's not bothered about ranking points even.
But it matters to INA.
The minimum 8 out of 12 SS participation is an excellent rule.Because of that,eg,TH decided to play in Shanghai as well and that certainly jazzes up the tournament.It's one way to ensure there are enough star players in almost all SS.Otherwise why call it Super Series?
In the light of uncertainty of SSF,the sensible choice is to make sure to play in 8 tournaments for insurance.How difficult a decision is that? There should be no dilemma at all.
I don't think Andrew Smith is a bad player when his head is in top form. He troubled Sony endlessly in TC08.

[huangkwokhau]

I don't think CHN care that much about SSF because of the max 2 per country rule.They indicated that before.KOR 's not bothered about ranking points even.
But it matters to INA.
The minimum 8 out of 12 SS participation is an excellent rule.Because of that,eg,TH decided to play in Shanghai as well and that certainly jazzes up the tournament.It's one way to ensure there are enough star players in almost all SS.Otherwise why call it Super Series?
In the light of uncertainty of SSF,the sensible choice is to make sure to play in 8 tournaments for insurance.How difficult a decision is that? There should be no dilemma at all.
I don't think Andrew Smith is a bad player when his head is in top form. He troubled Sony endlessly in TC08.
I did ask TH why he suddenly likes to play in China...he said that he needed to be in top 8 ranking so he can be seeded from next year...at the same time...He loves Shanghai....TH funded himself with these 2 tourneys...I think Paulus will go with him...He has no idea about SS finale....all INA players talked about it when SS finale is on the website...most of them complained that BWF did not let PBSI know ....Vita mentioned that if she knew she would fund herself with Flandy for HKG and china Open...

[huangkwokhau]

Why should sponsors hide their identity? Wouldn't they want to be known so they can earn goodwill or increased sales from it?
I heard French Open is funded by Arabian businesmen..The organizer did not want to reveal the source......

[pjswift]

I heard French Open is funded by Arabian businesmen..The organizer did not want to reveal the source......
Oh, so uniquely badminton.

[Oldhand]

Threads merged :)

[ants]

I heard French Open is funded by Arabian businesmen..The organizer did not want to reveal the source......

Not Arabian.. from Dubai.. i dont know if Dubaians is considered Arabian..

[huangkwokhau]

Not Arabian.. from Dubai.. i dont know if Dubaians is considered Arabian..
Yes...Dubai is in middle east.....may be we call them Middle easterner..;)
Teasing them to increase to US$ 300K...those money is nothing for them...

[Krisna]

Does anybody know who is the sponsor of this SS Finals?

[Krisna]

Trust me!! If BWF let this announcement earlier, I am sure China wont split FHF and Cai Yun and will send HHB/YY to denmark ....
I just think it is not fair..................

Yes... you're right... :o

[huangkwokhau]

Does anybody know who is the sponsor of this SS Finals?
ISC brodcaster..BAM and Yonex Sunrise

[abedeng]

Who knows, maybe BWF will relax the rules this 1st time so that most if not all top players qualify ......

I mean, even BWF knows top players draw the crowds ......

[CLELY]

Because of late announcement from BWF and with minimum of 8 SS, many players wont qualify:

LD
XXF
He Han bin/Yuyang (only 7 with upcoming HKG and China)
FHF/CY
XZB/Zhang Ya wen
Flandy/Vita
LYD/LHJ
LHJ/her partner
LYD/JJS
Lee Jiman/his partner
Reiko/Ogura
Alvent/Luluk
Park Sung Hwan
One of Japanese MD

Trust me!! If BWF let this announcement earlier, I am sure China wont split FHF and Cai Yun and will send HHB/YY to denmark ....
I just think it is not fair..................

Hauge, who's Lee Jiman? Do you mean Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man? Agree with you that BWF announced final decision about Masters Final quite lately, probably to make sure sponsor availability.

[Yong_Hui]

I wonder if this rules applied, in MD only 6 pairs in top 25 qualified....
Is it called as SSF???

[abedeng]

I wonder if this rules applied, in MD only 6 pairs in top 25 qualified....
Is it called as SSF???

You nailed it on the head .... :)

That's why I believe for the first SS Finals, the rules might be relaxed a bit, given that the BWF notification was late.

Besides, those of us going there need to get our money's worth ...... :D

[ants]

If the badminton is not worth it.. the food will definately worth it.

[limsy]

will kenichi tago surprise the world by qualify himself into this grand finale???i am pretty sure he can...

[limsy]

actually...after cancelled all those that disqualified in md...koo/tan can afford 1st round casualty in both CO2 and HKO but still qualify for this finale...

[limsy]

can they find enough wd pair to qualify for this grand finale???with ina unable to play in last two tournament...i dont think there are 8 pairs to qualify for grand finale with minimum 8 tournament requirement...;)...:(...:rolleyes:...

[limsy]

hauge...hehanbin/yu yang can qualify

[ctjcad]

can they find enough wd pair to qualify for this grand finale???with ina unable to play in last two tournament...i dont think there are 8 pairs to qualify for grand finale with minimum 8 tournament requirement...;)...:(...:rolleyes:...
..2 more pairs??..If so, we have the CAT sisters (Louisa & luyi80), pjswift and her friend, Jen.;)
After all, they've followed the SS (on BC of course), at least 8 times, than some of the players out there..:cool:

[limsy]

..2 more pairs??..If so, we have the CAT sisters (Louisa & luyi80), pjswift and her friend, Jen.;)
After all, they've followed the SS (on BC of course), at least 8 times, than some of the players out there..:cool:

oh...wait i check...yes...we need 2 more pairs...even thats is if some of those almost qualify pair play in last 2 ss...if not...less tahn 5 will qualify:eek:

[robin7]

If the badminton is not worth it.. the food will definately worth it.
ants is already thinking abt the seafood already. :D

[george@chongwei]

If the badminton is not worth it.. the food will definately worth it.
haiya, ants always thinks about seafood, seafood, and seafood:p:p at there..
i went to there last 6 months ago..hehe..the seafood is super cheap..hehehehe:D:p:p
seriously:)

[george@chongwei]

Not only LD, KOR MIX also wont qualify....the problem..most of gold medalists are happy and prefer not to particpate more tournaments after olympics.....Kido/Hendra participated right after Olympics...so why cant LD and KOR XD do same thing?
yes, i agree with this!

[george@chongwei]

hope that THIS SS Final, astro will broadcast all 3 days of the tournament live:):D
maybe dedicate a special channel for this perhaps..who knows?..hehe:)

[limsy]

hope that THIS SS Final, astro will broadcast all 3 days of the tournament live:):D
maybe dedicate a special channel for this perhaps..who knows?..hehe:)

yes...i hope so too...:D

[jutawin]

This first time grand final ss. Many top players may not qualify. Since after olympic, many of them don't participate in ss. They need at least 8 ss to participate.. The prize money is attracting..

[abedeng]

hope that THIS SS Final, astro will broadcast all 3 days of the tournament live:):D
maybe dedicate a special channel for this perhaps..who knows?..hehe:)

It will still not be the same as having been at the venue yourself .... :p:p

[jutawin]

Final ss held in malaysia. I think astro will broadcast it. So sad, astro had stop broadcast in indonesia. I hope our local tv will broadcast it live..

[kenny7_2006]

this is the Grand Finale, so hopefully the rules will be bent a little to allow enough top players to qualify!

[Krisna]

can they find enough wd pair to qualify for this grand finale???with ina unable to play in last two tournament...i dont think there are 8 pairs to qualify for grand finale with minimum 8 tournament requirement...;)...:(...:rolleyes:...

INA has our National Championships this week. Many do not have enough preparations for the last 2 SS... :o


..2 more pairs??..If so, we have the CAT sisters (Louisa & luyi80), pjswift and her friend, Jen.;)
After all, they've followed the SS (on BC of course), at least 8 times, than some of the players out there..:cool:

I agree, Chris... ;)

[Krisna]

At last the Grand Finale is here.. $500,000.00 in prize money is ups for grabs.

It will be in the Kota Kinabalu, Sabah in Malaysia starting 18-21 of December.

Only the Top Eight Qualifies and limited to 2 entries per country/member association per event.

This is the Big one!

This statement is correct, ants... ;)


from thestar online..

Malaysia to host prestigious event — but there’s no Lin Dan

By RAJES PAUL

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia has been given the honour of hosting the long-awaited inaugural Super Series Masters Finals from Dec 18-21 in Kota Kinabalu.
But there’s one setback. Olympic Games men’s singles champion Lin Dan of China will not grace the presitigous US$500,000 tournament after failing to meet the qualification requirement.
Only the top eight singles players and top eight doubles players after 12 legs of the Super Series will feature in the lucrative Masters Finals.
And even if a shuttler is ranked in the top eight, the player must have competed in eight Super Series events to be eligible for the Masters Finals.
Lin Dan, who is currently ranked in the top eight, has only competed in three legs of the Super Series — South Korea (runner-up), All-England (runner-up) and Swiss Open (champion).
All the qualifiers will be finalised after the last two legs in China (Nov 18-23) and Hong Kong (Nov 25-30).
In fact, even Malaysia’s top players have yet to qualify although all of them are in the top eight bracket.
National No. 1 men’s singles ace Lee Chong Wei has competed in only seven Super Series so far, including the on-going French Open while top women’s singles player Wong Mew Choo and top men’s doubles pair Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong have taken part in seven and six respectively.
That means all of them can’t afford to skip the last two Super Series in China and Hong Kong.
Badminton fans can now expect all the players to make a last-ditch effort to feature in the last two Opens to qualify for the Masters Finals.
Yesterday, the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) and Badminton World Federation (BWF) announced the appointment of Malaysia as the host at a joint press conference at Stadium Juara in Bukit Kiara.
The BWF said they were happy to finally be able to host the Masters Finals after having to scrap last year’s Super Series season finale due to financial difficulties.
“We were disappointed last year. But we have some good partners to make it happen this year,” said BWF secretary general Stuart Borrie, who added that BAM, Yonex Sunrise and international television broadcast rights holder ISC were their key partners.

I just revisited the BWF Statutes on SS Finals:

9. SUPERSERIES MASTERS FINAL

Each year after the Super Series tournaments have ended, there will be a final tournament to be
known as the Super Series Masters Finals. This tournament will be held subject to suitable
sponsorship arrangements being made.

9.1. The venue

The BWF will fix a venue for this event and notify all players and Member Associations.

9.2. Invitations to the Super Series Masters Final

9.2.1. The highest ranked 8 players/pairs in the Super Series Standing list, will subject to
what follows, receive invitations to compete in the Super Series Masters Finals.
9.2.2. Players/pairs will qualify unless a total of two players/pairs from any one Member
Association would thereby be exceeded in that event.

Deleted: competition

Deleted: fourteen
10. EVENTS PLAYED UNDER THE POOL SYSTEM OR IN GROUPS


So, I didn't find anywhere in the rulebook that a player/pair have to compete in at least 8 SS... :confused: I wonder how that Malaysian reporter can come up with his version of the rules... :confused:

[ctjcad]

..appreciate for checking the ruling on this; seems there's no criteria which demands players(s) to participate in 8 SS.
Although, looking at the list below, 1 or 2 of the players could be booted from the top 8 ranking. And we all know, in the MS event, Taufik is trying hard to get in or secure his spot.


....For example;
The current top 8 MS in the SS Standings (as at 30-Oct-2008) are:
1. LCW
2. BCL
3. SDK
4. CJ
5. KJ
6. PG
7. LD
8. JP
...
*Current SS standing in MS shows:

1 LEE Chong Wei MAS 50440
2 DWI KUNCORO Sony INA 49320
3 PERSSON Joachim DEN 41580
4 CHEN Jin CHN 37940
5 GADE Peter Hoeg DEN 37060
6 JONASSEN Kenneth DEN 35760 (don't know if he'll participate or not)
6 BAO Chunlai CHN 35760
8 HIDAYAT Taufik INA 31560
9 WACHA Przemyslaw POL 29520
10 SANTOSO Simon INA 27840
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/sranking_ms.asp?id=1

[chris-ccc]

*Current SS standing in MS shows:

1 LEE Chong Wei MAS 50440
2 DWI KUNCORO Sony INA 49320

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/sranking_ms.asp?id=1



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It's great to see that SDK is now only a few points just below LCW.

Perhaps after the next 2 SS tournaments, SDK could overtake LCW.

:):):)
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[etudiant]

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It's great to see that SDK is now only a few points just below LCW.

Perhaps after the next 2 SS tournaments, SDK could overtake LCW.

:):):)
.

if im not mistaken SDK wont participate in the next Chn SS.....

[eaglehelang]

Lin Dan can qualify to play in SS Finals afterall, the reporter looked up the rules or this thread, hehe

NST

2008/11/17
(http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Section/index_html?mysec=Sport)Badminton: Lin Dan could qualify for Sabah (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Section/index_html?mysec=Sport)

By : K.M. Boopathy (boopathy@nst.com.my)

http://www.nst.com.my/Monday/Sport/2403884/insidepix1
lLin Dan needs to win the China Open which begins tomorrow, and Hong Kong Open (Nov 25-29) to play in the Super Series Masters Finals in Kota Kinabalu.
THE Super Series Masters Finals could see Olympic champion Lin Dan of China getting a chance to compete in Kota Kinabalu on Dec 18-21 although the World No 2 has only competed in three events so far.

There was confusion in the qualifying process initially as most players were under the impression that they must play a minimum of eight Super Series events to be eligible but the tournament regulations issued by the Badminton World Federation (BWF) has made it clear such a clause does not exist.

In order to qualify, the players must be ranked in the top eight of the Super Series standings and in cases where there are more than three players from one country in the top eight, only the top two make the cut.

Lin Dan is only ranked 16th with 24,800 points but if he can win the China Open which begins tomorrow, and Hong Kong Open (Nov 25-29), he has a good chance of making the cut.

Currently, Chen Jin is China's highest ranked player at No 4 with 37,940 points while Bao Chunlai is sixth with 35,760. Chen Yu, inactive on the international scene any longer, is ranked 15th with 25,260 points.
Chunlai, should he falter before the semi-finals in China and Hong Kong, will have to concede his place to Lin Dan if the latter secures both titles.

Indonesian Taufik Hidayat's job will be tougher if Lin Dan qualifies as the former is in eighth position and will have to look for at least semi-final berths in China and Hong Kong.

Malaysia will not affected by the ruling as Lee Chong Wei, ranked first in the Super Series, has already confirmed his place while Zakry Latif-Fairuzizuan Tazari, ranked second, should also make the cut.

Women's doubles Wong Pei Tty-Chin Eei Hui are virtually assured of their place as they occupy top spot.

Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong will also be in a race to qualify as they are in 15th position but semi-finals spot in China and Hong Kong will earn them a place as the gap between the Malaysian pair and the world's top eight pairs are not that vast.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Monday/Sport/2403884/Article/index_html

[robin7]

Chunlai, should he falter before the semi-finals in China and Hong Kong, will have to concede his place to Lin Dan if the latter secures both titles.
Now I know why BCL withdrew.

[abedeng]

I suppose robin7 is right, that is a tactical withdrawal on BCL's part.

Well, although it benefits LD, it would be nice to see him do battle at Likas next month. If he qualifies, of course.

[SibugiChai]

Lin dan boleh... I wanna meet him in SABAH!
Bring him armput kadazan moi!

[hansonlouphers]

wow wow.. if Lindan goes..this is a really BIG competition.. Come on Taufik also!!

[Krisna]

Lin Dan can qualify to play in SS Finals afterall, the reporter looked up the rules or this thread, hehe

NST


The reporter Rajes Paul who wrote about the minimum 8 SS played in one year... is not very familiar with World Badminton rules, but somehow dare to write such an elaborate analysis... :D Many BC Members can write better [more accurate] articles than him... :p

[chris-ccc]

The reporter Rajes Paul who wrote about the minimum 8 SS played in one year (to qualify for the SS Finals).. is not very familiar with World Badminton rules, but somehow dare to write such an elaborate analysis... :D



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:confused::confused::confused: So who is our BCer who started this rumour that the SS Finals are only for players who have played in 8 SS events?

:D:D:D
.

[yourbestfriend]

i think that if the worlds top players don't compete then this tourney isn't going to be that prestigious. especially for the mens singles. if the current world and olympic champion cannot qualify, then something if flawed.

[chris-ccc]

i think that if the worlds top players don't compete ... then something is flawed.



.
This is the problem with our Badminton tournament entries today.

Most players are pawns to their National Associations. The flaw is not in the tournament itself.

We sometimes hear of a player wishing to participate in a tournament but he/she is not allowed by his/her National Association.

On the other hand, we sometimes hear of a player wishing to rest, but his/her association says that he/she has to participate.

:(:(:(
.

[CLELY]

..appreciate for checking the ruling on this; seems there's no criteria which demands players(s) to participate in 8 SS.
Although, looking at the list below, 1 or 2 of the players could be booted from the top 8 ranking. And we all know, in the MS event, Taufik is trying hard to get in or secure his spot.

*Current SS standing in MS shows:

1 LEE Chong Wei MAS 50440
2 DWI KUNCORO Sony INA 49320
3 PERSSON Joachim DEN 41580
4 CHEN Jin CHN 37940
5 GADE Peter Hoeg DEN 37060
6 JONASSEN Kenneth DEN 35760 (don't know if he'll participate or not)
6 BAO Chunlai CHN 35760
8 HIDAYAT Taufik INA 31560
9 WACHA Przemyslaw POL 29520
10 SANTOSO Simon INA 27840


So the possible 8 MS players who will come to Kota Kinabalu are
Lee Chong Wei, Sony Dwi Kuncoro, Joachim Persson, Chen Jin, Peter Gade, Lin Dan/Bao Chunlai (?), Taufik Hidayat and Przemyslaw Wacha.

[ctjcad]

..from your list that will not appear in this yr's SS Finale is LinDan; remember BWF only counts this yr's SS tourneys & LD is ranked outside of the top 10. And if KJ has really retired, then that'll open up only 1 more spot as the rest of the top 8 MS players will likely hold on to their respective ranking.
Only way for LD to sneak in into the top 8 ranking is if:
1. He wins both of the last 2 SS tourneys and
2. 1 or 2 of the current top 8 MS SS-ranked players totally tanked/go belly up in the last 2 SS tourneys. And even then LD has his work cut out for him.

[abedeng]

Well, if LD puts his mind into it, winning 2 back-to-back titles on home ground shouldn't be much of a problem .....

It would be worth our investment at the Super Series Finals if he is part of the cast.

[Krisna]

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This is the problem with our Badminton tournament entries today.

Most players are pawns to their National Associations. The flaw is not in the tournament itself.


A possible flaw is that BWF could not keep its own obligations to hold a SS Finals last year as promised... then announced only last month that this year's SS Finals is actually going to be played... Many players just didn't take BWF's commitments seriously throughout the year and not attend that many SS events as a result... :o

[chris-ccc]

A possible flaw is that BWF could not keep its own obligations to hold a SS Finals last year as promised... then announced only last month that this year's SS Finals is actually going to be played... Many players just didn't take BWF's commitments seriously throughout the year and not attend that many SS events as a result... :o



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Krisna ... Have you read Post#55 of this thread?

At the moment, we don't have a schedule of host cities for our annual SS Finals.

Let's look at it this way... If there are no cities wanting to host the Olympic Games, can we say that IOC have not kept their promise?

Actually, we should be glad that there are some 5 or 6 countries where Badminton is popular. And, this I might be able to guess... Our first 5 or 6 SS Finals would be held in China, Denmark, Indonesia, Korea, Malaysia, and England.

:):):)
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[Krisna]

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BWF cannot be blamed. And the all National Associations know it.

All our problems in holding Badminton tournaments go back to MONEY, not the management or the organising skills.


I have read post #55, I just do not agree with what you wrote. I didn't feel the need to write anything about it because some points were obviously wrong. Managing money is part of management and organization behaviour... If BWF cannot manage money, conduct business, negotiate well, time things well, communicate things well, ...then they cannot manage! It is their fault. :( I have met BWF people. Some knew [and admit] they've mismanaged things.

[huangkwokhau]

I have read post #55, I just do not agree with what you wrote. I didn't feel the need to write anything about it because some points were obviously wrong. Managing money is part of management and organization behaviour... If BWF cannot manage money, conduct business, negotiate well, time things well, communicate things well, ...then they cannot manage! It is their fault. :( I have met BWF people. Some knew [and admit] they've mismanaged things.
Yep..as I said that BWF has to be blamed.....it is poorly organized.....even some of BWF did not know badminton well too....thats scary!! and it is true..

[ctjcad]

...but why is the Super Series Finale being held in Kota Kinabalu???...Not to underestimate the charming tourist town of KK, but out of many cities in and around SE Asia region, like Jakarta, KL, S'pore, Manila, why did they choose KK??...:confused:
If possible, maybe those who are going to the SS Finale might want to ask the organizer/BWF abt this??...hmm..http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif

Btw, i found this news, on IEC's website, the other day. Apparently the plan to hold the SS Finale in Kota Kinabalu was actually approved this summer. Can someone confirm it?:cool:

http://www.iec.se/
================================================== =====
BWF appoints IEC to handle Super Series Finals
7/11/2008 - Stockholm, Sweden - The Badminton World Federation (BWF) has exclusively appointed IEC in Sports to handle worldwide television distribution, for the inaugural BWF Super Series Masters Finals.

Malaysia’s beautiful tropical island of Kota Kinabalu will play host to the four-day extravaganza from Dec 18-21 2008.The event offers total prize money of US$500,000 making it the richest tournament in the history of badminton, more than double the All-England Championships.

“I an delighted to announce this spectacular season-ending finale, which primarily benefits the players. We have confirmation that China, Indonesia, Korea and Malaysia will all send their Olympic medallists who qualify, as we again showcase badminton stars in the Olympic Year.” said BWF President Dr Kang Young Joong.

IEC in Sports will be delivering over twenty (20) hours of first class television production from the host broadcaster Radio Television Malaysia (RTM) to ensure the fullest coverage of a Super Series event.

“The end of year finale for badminton, on the back of a tremendous showing at the Olympic Games will make 2008 a stand-out year for the sport. We have seen increased broadcaster interest across the 12-leg Super Series and are delighted to be appointed by BWF to distribute the Super Series Finals and envisage global interest.” Said Jonas Persson, CEO of IEC in Sports.

Eligible to compete are the top eight ranked players in each discipline, based on their overall 12-leg Super Series performance, who qualify for the Finals.

“We are pleased to have brought together the Malaysian Government, Sabah Tourism and Badminton Malaysia, who have been reliable hosts for badminton events as well as key sponsor Yonex Sunrise. It is only right they should make history by holding the inaugural Super Series Finals.”. Added Dr.Kang.

For further information, please contact IEC

[chris-ccc]

I have read post #55, I just do not agree with what you wrote. I didn't feel the need to write anything about it because some points were obviously wrong. Managing money is part of management and organization behaviour... If BWF cannot manage money, conduct business, negotiate well, time things well, communicate things well, ...then they cannot manage! It is their fault. :( I have met BWF people. Some knew [and admit] they've mismanaged things.



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Perhaps post(#55) wasn't clear enough. :o:o:o

It shall be repeated:

(1) BWF wanted to remain as an international non-governmental and a non-profit organisation, but just an organiser of Badminton tournament schedules.

(2) BWF allowed all National Associations to bid to host the SS Finals.
The city is to provide a venue for the tournament, accommodation (like an Olympic Village) for players and officials, advertisements/ticket sales for the event, etc...
All other incomes/expenses shall be earned/incurred by the host city.
It's just like what IOC do for the Olympic Games, FIA do for Formula One Grand Prix Car Racing, FIFA do for World Soccer, etc...

(3) BWF said they will supply the prize monies of US$500,000.00.




...but why is the Super Series Finale being held in Kota Kinabalu???



Because Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia, bid for it, after our attempt in Melbourne, Australia, failed (because we couldn't find a $250,000.000 loan).

In fact, if KK did not bid for it, our 2008 SS Finals would not be held again.

While we are on this topic, click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41630) . Even our kwun and Badminton Central wanted to hold our own BC Tournament. But we haven't yet achieved it. But can we to blame kwun or Badminton Central for it?

:):):)
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[Krisna]

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It shall be repeated:

(1) BWF wanted to remain as an international non-governmental and a non-profit organisation, but just an organiser of Badminton tournament schedules.

While we are on this topic, click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41630) . Even our kwun and Badminton Central wanted to hold our own BC Tournament. But we haven't yet achieved it. But can we to blame kwun or Badminton Central for it?



To me it is obvious that BWF failed in point number (1)... BWF officially announce there will be a SS Finals when the new SS system began in 2007, yet, they failed to organize the 2007 SS Finals and only announced a month ago that the 2008 SS Finals will actually be held. That's terrible! :( It is their job to organize and manage all the difficulties in making the SS Finals possible and communicate it well to all member associations and players involved. They did not do that well! :rolleyes: BWF is to be blamed and any knowledgeable the association members know that!

Chris, are you saying that BWF is doing a good job in organizing tournament schedules for the SS Finals in the past 2 years? :confused: If you do, then we disagree big time! Are you also saying that managing money is not part of management? [That's what you clearly wrote in post #55] On this, we clearly disagree. That's all. I clearly have a different interpretation on what good management means.

Please don't compare the BWF SS Finals fiasco with Kwun's dream & discussion of holding a BC tournament. It is not an official announcement from a Worlwide Sports Governing Body that affects a lot of people's professional livelihood. If the SS Finals is in the dream & discussion stage, then it is not an official announcement. But it was not! It was an official announcement that affected a lot of people's actions throughout the year [and thus, their future].

[ctjcad]

..(here's my 3 sen rupiahs worth)...

chris@ccc, I've re-read your post #55 and i think i see where you're coming from.
Looking back and re-reading the thread of the cancellation of last yr's SS Finale (see 2 links below), i have a feeling it's both the lack of funding/sponsorship as well as the lack of BWF's organizational effort which resulted in the cancellation and postponement of the SS Finale.
In the beginning when we found out the news, it went from a highly expected SS Finale to a big disappointment with the news of the cancellation. Then we were surprised by the news that it would be held in Kedah (early 2008) and all the BCers (esp. M'sia BCers;)) were preparing for a big gathering, complete with a satay feast courtesy of our BC satay-handout machine aka X Ball;). But to our dismay, BWF decided to postpone the SS Finale.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45330&highlight=super+series+finale&page=23 (post #376)
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45330&highlight=super+series+finale&page=18 (post #303)

Your 3 points (in post #55), and as repeated above, are all quite true. And, as mentioned, money is definitely the tipping factor in holding tourneys.
But the thing that caught me was the 3rd point. Did BWF always have the sponsorship money for last yr's SS Finale, as you mentioned?? Or did it come from some other entity?? As far as i know, the initial cancellation was blamed on the lack of sponsorship/fund (2nd link above). If that's true, then does that mean BWF never had enough funding to hold the SS Finale **until** this yr??:confused:

Now, as far as the lack of organizational skill/effort/capabililty goes, it would be hard for me to gauge or judge. But if BWF planned this, don't you think they should be the responsible entity (i wouldn't call it as far as "blamed"). I certainly don't know if there was somekind of a contractual agreement with BWF and the initial host city? If there was, and the host city suddenly backed out for whatever reason, then shouldn't BWF have a back-up plan (like have a contingency plan 1 or 2 months prior, in case of a cancellation). I can understand if some unexpected or unforeseen incident(s) occurred to the host city. But with the sudden and very late announcement of the cancellation, it not only threw all the preparation by the different players/countries aside but also put in question the reliability of BWF and what they'd promise. Shouldn't BWF secure a host city with all the funding in place, **before** they announced the event?? Wouldn't that be the wise/best thing to do??..
As we found out, Dubai decided to back out, @ last minute, citing a lack of funding/sponsorship. Did BWF have a contingency plan at that time?? Although rumor did swirl that China was going to be the host.
To put it in a different way, imagine this (fictional) scenario:p:
Say, chris@ccc Enterprise decides to hold a yr end Australian National baddy event in Australia with a prize money of AUS$25,000. The plan has been prepared 1 yr ahead. All the AUS players have been told abt the news and they all competed mightily in different tourneys to qualify to be in the event. The committee then finds a reasonable place to hold the event. But at the last minute, the committee cancels the tourney citing lack of sponsorship/fund. But then a few weeks later, they find another place to hold the event but then it gets postponed because it also lacks enough funding. Then who is responsible if not the entity which planned the whole event. How would chris@ccc Enterprise feel about cancelling & postponing the event?? would the entity feel somewhat responsible?? :confused:
if you think so, then that's the point abt BWF being the responsible entity..

I don't know if comparing IOC and BWF/IBF is similar, IMO. In bidding to be an Olympic host city, it takes a minimum of 7 yrs for a city to prepare everything. And i believe that agreement comes with some kind of a price, an investment price on the host city. In comparison, last yr's SS Finale probably never got any assurance or guarantee from a host city even as BWF announced & promised that there will be a SS Finale; heck, they probably couldn't find a host city til the last 6 or 4 months. Do you think that's enough time to put everything in place??..

Yes, i know there needs to be a bidding process done by cities if they want to hold this event. My query has more to do with my surprise that it's quite puzzling why a larger metro city wouldn't be able (or should i say couldn't) to hold this event?? Wouldn't it attract more people to come & watch in comparison to holding it in a much smaller environment/venue, with who knows how many people will attend??:confused:

As for BC not being able to sponsor a tournament, yet, as far as i know it was never promised (as BWF did). It was only a....................................dream..;)

[Krisna]

Here's a scenario where BWF is not responsible if the SS is not held: ;)
BWF and a host city had a full and strong commitment to hold the SS Finals, but then an 8.9 Richter earthquake happened 5 days before the event is held. Destroying the stadium where the SS Finals venue should be. BWF announced: SS Finals delayed until further notice due to massive earthquake [that you all have heard in the news]. Now that is a case where BWF is not responsible... ;)

[ctjcad]

...As we found out, Dubai decided to back out, @ last minute, citing a lack of funding/sponsorship.
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..meant to type Doha, Qatar..:p

[jeremyjuve]

Help!!!! Does anybody know where or how to purchase the ticket? Thanks

[george@chongwei]

Help!!!! Does anybody know where or how to purchase the ticket? Thanks
relax........our member in bc forum will surely update about this matter:)

[chris-ccc]

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Hi Krisna and ctjcad,

BWF is only a body from all National Badminton Associations around the world. It is controlled by all these associations by votes.

BWF has raised US$500,000.00 to offer as the SS prize money. BWF has ask all National Associations to bid for the hosting of the SS Finals.

Melbourne, Australia, bid for it and BWF said yes to us.

But we couldn't raise enough money from Australian sponsors to stage it. We were hoping that we could get some funds from our government (who has helped in events like the Olympics, Commonwealth Games, Grand Prix Car Racing, World Swimming, International Cricket, etc.. ). But because Badminton is not popular here, no government funds were forthcoming.

So, from Melbourne, Australia, we have blamed ourselves for being unable to host it.
No way could we blame BWF.

That's why in my earlier post, I have said only about 5 or 6 nations, where Badminton is popular, could most probably be able to hold it, namely; China, Denmark, Indonesia, Korea, Malaysia, and England.

I would like to make a comparison of the BWF to that of the UN. The UN have plans for many things. But when it comes to money, probably 5 or 6 richer nations are able to contribute to make those plans to happen. And we cannot blame the UN if they do not go in to do a certain action. It depends on the votes from all the UN member nations.

Actually, BCers need to make 'loud' requests to our own National Associations to vote for things that we wish to see happen. If our own National Associations do not relay our message to BWF for us, then it's our National Associations who are at fault.

Also, we should ask our National Associations to host the next SS Finals... so that we don't need to travel far to watch it. :):):)
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[Krisna]

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BWF is only a body from all National Badminton Associations around the world. It is controlled by all these associations by votes.

No way could we blame BWF.


That point you wrote is not true, thus it might start your misperception on how things work. BWF is not controlled by all National Associations. The BWF top officials are voted into power by a number of National Associations. ;) After that, they have executive power to manage things. No need to vote on many issues, including how to make sure there is a SS Finals.

Next, BWF management should ensure there are enough interested parties who want to hold the SS Finals first, pre-select them. Then announce there will be a SS Finals. Without ensuring there is going to be one [at least in the 1st year when BWF actually started the SS system], don't announce anything. This is their fault. BWF should be blamed for this! It is so obvious to some of us. Classic incompetent management practice there.

BWF is very unlike the UN. Wrong analogy! BWF can impose many more things in badminton compared to the UN towards many global issues. BWF is much more comparable to FIFA. Though FIFA itself is not perfect, but they have done a much better job making soccer/football the #1 sport on the planet.

chris@ccc (chris@ccc), I think you just have a different perception on how management should work than me, ctjcad, and Hau-ge. This probably stems from our own experiences and examples in our lives on how a good organization should behave. In our eyes, BWF is obviously an example of a sub-par managed organization in the past few years. Badminton deserves better.

[chris-ccc]

That point you wrote is not true, thus it might start your misperception on how things work. BWF is not controlled by all National Associations. The BWF top officials are voted into power by a number of National Associations. ;) After that, they have executive power to manage things. No need to vote on many issues, including how to make sure there is a SS Finals.

Next, BWF management should ensure there are enough interested parties who want to hold the SS Finals first...



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Krisna ... I don't work for the BWF, so I do not know deep enough their politics.

But this I know. BWF asked for the bigger National Opens to join in the Super Series Tournament Schedule. These National Tournaments were already in existence. And their National Associations agreed to allow their tournaments to be part of the SS. BWF was glad because they don't need to manage these individual National Opens, but to award points to players. But BWF do give a hand to the National Associations in terms of the draw, prize money, etc... Isn't it like for ITF organising their Tennis Masters Series? I thought BWF was just copying ITF.

Then come the Finals... Didn't ITF also ask for cities to host them or did ITF borrowed a city to hold the Finals?

That's why I gave the example of the Olympic Games in earlier posts. If no country wants to host the OG, I don't think the OG could be held at all.

This is what I have been told about how World Finals are organised, which include sports like Soccer, Tennis, Golf, etc... Perhaps, I have been told incorrectly.

:o:o:o
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[ctjcad]

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BWF has raised US$500,000.00 to offer as the SS prize money. BWF has ask all National Associations to bid for the hosting of the SS Finals.
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But we couldn't raise enough money from Australian sponsors to stage it. We were hoping that we could get some funds from our government (who has helped in events like the Olympics, Commonwealth Games, Grand Prix Car Racing, World Swimming, International Cricket, etc.. ). But because Badminton is not popular here, no government funds were forthcoming.
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So, from Melbourne, Australia, we have blamed ourselves for being unable to host it.
No way could we blame BWF.
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Also, we should ask our National Associations to host the next SS Finals... so that we don't need to travel far to watch it. :):):)
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First point. True, BWF has finally found an entity/entities that's willing to sponsor this event. But apparently, they never had anything secured when they announced the plan last yr?..

Second point. Taken. I think that can be said to other cities which failed to provide enough funding/sponsorship.
Apparently, from what i can summarize, the situation seemed to be:
BWF did have the fund to sponsor the event but never secured any city to host it, yet they announced about the plan anyway.
In any rate, don't you think the wise thing to do is to secure both the prize-money and host city prior to announcing the event?

Third point. If chris@ccc were in BWF's shoes:
1. How would you handle it?
2. Would you secure everything in place, first, before announcing it?
3. And if the plan didn't go through, who do you think should be responsible? Would you point the "responsibilty" on the host cities which failed to secure their promise?

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That's why I gave the example of the Olympic Games in earlier posts. If no country wants to host the OG, I don't think the OG could be held at all.
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..you hit it right on the nail:); just like what a few of us have suggested. If nothing is secured, in this case a host city, don't announce anything..:cool:

On the last point, of course, everyone would love their national body to host the next SS Final (probably out of selfish reason:p;)).. But reality is, how far one travels is relative and the location of the event won't satisfy everyone.:(

*Btw, the official announcement was made last month; not in July (summer), as i posted a few posts back. I got confused with the 7/11/2008; apparently the 7 is the date and 11 is the month.:p

[ctjcad]

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*Btw, the official announcement was made last month; not in July (summer), as i posted a few posts back. I got confused with the 7/11/2008; apparently the 7 is the date and 11 is the month.:p
:o..supposed to be earlier this month (kept thinking it's already December)..:p

[ants]

Anyway i would say that BWF is mainly at fault here for announcing it late to the public.
In fact the SSF was in the internal discussion earlier this year.

[ctjcad]

..at least for this Super Series Finale plan..

1. Late announcement (not til middle to late last yr). BWF thought they had secured a host city..
2. Everyone expected a good news but instead the news was the cancellation.
3. BWF "forced" to have one late last yr or early in 2008, to make up for the cancelled plan, but at a different place.
4. Plan fell apart. Postponed til further notice.
fast forward to now..
5. Another very late announcement. Out of nowhere. Even later than last yr's..
6. Thankfully this time, it's a good news; they secured the location, albeit unexpectedly..

..let's cross our fingers they won't cancel this one; as there is no word on the ticket sales/price, no website/further info abt the tourney with about a month to go...:p....If this one gets cancelled, again, watch out as a few BCers hoping to go & watch might go on a riot...http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/45.gif;)

..so much for BWF putting a plan together...http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/45.gif:(

[Krisna]

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Krisna ... I don't work for the BWF, so I do not know deep enough their politics.

But this I know. BWF asked for the bigger National Opens to join in the Super Series Tournament Schedule. These National Tournaments were already in existence. And their National Associations agreed to allow their tournaments to be part of the SS. BWF was glad because they don't need to manage these individual National Opens, but to award points to players. But BWF do give a hand to the National Associations in terms of the draw, prize money, etc... Isn't it like for ITF organising their Tennis Masters Series? I thought BWF was just copying ITF.



BWF wanted to copy ITF, but managed it badly! :rolleyes: BWF should have secured the venues for at least 2 years of SS Finals BEFORE they announced there will be a SS Finals. If they had done so, they are as qualified as the ITF or the IOC or FIFA etc. :rolleyes:

chris@ccc, I don't think we should discuss this further, it is obvious you think that BWF's management style is ok. Some of us think they have blundered several times regarding the SS Finals...

If you think BWF's actions are ok, go ahead, practice their sense of timing and management style in real life. I really do not think you should, though... :(

[chris-ccc]

BWF wanted to copy ITF, but managed it badly! :rolleyes: BWF should have secured the venues for at least 2 years of SS Finals BEFORE they announced there will be a SS Finals. If they had done so, they are as qualified as the ITF or the IOC or FIFA etc. :rolleyes:

chris@ccc, I don't think we should discuss this further, it is obvious you think that BWF's management style is ok. Some of us think they have blundered several times regarding the SS Finals...

If you think BWF's actions are ok, go ahead, practice their sense of timing and management style in real life. I really do not think you should, though... :(



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If BWF should have secured the venues for at least 2 years of SS Finals BEFORE they announced there will be a SS Finals, then I think nothing would have happened at all.

When I said that BWF is not to be blamed, I am actually saying is that there is not enough support for BWF from the rest of us (cities) to make things happen. That's what I said when Melbourne, Australia, couldn't afford to host the SS Finals; that it is not BWF's fault. How can BWF be at fault when they can provide Melbourne with the US$500,000.00 for the SS Finals prize money? They have only asked us to set up the venues, tickets sales, accommodations for players and officials, etc... And this, I also understand that BWF couldn't do any better than us local organisers in our own country.

The 2007 SS Finals was meant to be held at Doha. But Doha couldn't carry out their plans the last moment. Then I thought Malaysia, Indonesia, China, Korea, Denmark and England would step in to help. And Kedah, Malaysia, tried. But in the end, they couldn't afford to host it either. :(

Maybe, BWF allowed cities too much time to confirm their certainty to host it. Melbourne only told BWF that we couldn't afford to hold it at the end of October, 2008. Within a few days' time, Kota Kinabalu bid to host it.

Perhaps, I am a more forgiving person, allowing BWF to make mistakes. But from what I see, BWF have tried to implement many new things, hoping to improve our Badminton.

My background is in management. I have always listened to my staff when they come up with new ideas. I would say... It's let's try it, if it doesn't work, let's try something else. :)

What I see is that our Badminton World is not really running smoothly. Example: China told BWF that they would not attend the 2007 SS Finals even if it could be held. :(

Let's look at the New Rally-Point Scoring. It was meant for Badminton to be more Television Friendly. But look at the complains that we have (just through our threads in Badminton Central).

I will always support BWF if they are trying out new things to make Badminton more popular. And I hope all Badminton players, clubs, associations, etc... will do the same.

We should work together to make things happen. Not by just complaining.

Perhaps, many BCers do not understand how difficult things can be. Btw, Kota Kinabalu has got bid because Tourism Sabah (a state in Malaysia) invested in it... hoping to promote tourism to their state. But some BCers even asked "Why hold it in a smaller city, why not in a much bigger city?"

:):):)
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[ants]

You have a point there. Sometimes the host country is giving problems. Well what to do... badminton is not as popular as tennis.
If Tennis.. every country wants to host the Master Series.

[ctjcad]

..chris@ccc, looking at all the events leading up to the current situation, with AUS being one of the countries unable to host this event, with all the late, late, late, cancelled, postponed news, do you think BWF has run a good process in presenting this event??:confused:..If you were in BWF shoes, would you have undertaken the same approach as they did??..:confused:

Again, i think we can agree on your earlier comment (about IOC/Olympics) that "If no country wants to host the OG, I don't think the OG could be held at all."..Apparently BWF had thought all along that they had or would secure a host city...only to find out otherwise..:p

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...Perhaps, many BCers do not understand how difficult things can be. Btw, Kota Kinabalu has got bid because Tourism Sabah (a state in Malaysia) invested in it... hoping to promote tourism to their state. But some BCers even asked "Why hold it in a smaller city, why not in a much bigger city?"

:):):)
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..yep, i was one of those (maybe the only one) who wondered/is puzzled why bigger cities aren't able to host this event (post #114). I understand things can come up, esp. unexpected or unforeseen things. And I don't really care if the host city is Bali or Jakarta or Penang or KK. But if cities like Jakarta or KL can hold "smaller/ess prized-tourneys" like a regular SS, why can't they hold a "bigger prize-money" tourney??..Promote tourism?? Don't you think KL, Jakarta or Beijing would love to have more tourists??..;)

[ctjcad]

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Maybe, BWF allowed cities too much time to confirm their certainty to host it. Melbourne only told BWF that we couldn't afford to hold it at the end of October, 2008. Within a few days' time, Kota Kinabalu bid to host it.
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(wanted to add this but ran out of time)
..possibly. Do you think that's a good approach?? Waiting til last minute and then announcing it a month or so prior to the event??..why is it always at the last minute??..:confused:

[chris-ccc]

..chris@ccc, looking at all the events leading up to the current situation, with AUS being one of the countries unable to host this event, with all the late, late, late, cancelled, postponed news, do you think BWF has run a good process in presenting this event??:confused:..If you were in BWF shoes, would you have undertaken the same approach as they did??..:confused:

..yep, i was one of those (maybe the only one) who wondered/is puzzled why bigger cities aren't able to host this event (post #114). I understand things can come up, esp. unexpected or unforeseen things. And I don't really care if the host city is Bali or Jakarta or Penang or KK. But if cities like Jakarta or KL can hold "smaller/ess prized-tourneys" like a regular SS, why can't they hold a "bigger prize-money" tourney??






(wanted to add this but ran out of time)
..possibly. Do you think that's a good approach?? Waiting til last minute and then announcing it a month or so prior to the event??..why is it always at the last minute??..:confused:



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Hi ctjcad,

Question: If you were in BWF shoes, would you have undertaken the same approach as they did?
Answer: A BIG "No". :):):) I wouldn't have allocated all the US$500,000.00 to just the players alone as prize money.I would have given some to the host cities to reward them for helping to hold the SS Finals. At this stage of our Badminton history, prize money is not the main attraction for players to participate in tournaments. As was pointed out earlier, China wasn't even interested in participating in the 2007 SS Finals (even if it was to be held).

Question: If cities like Jakarta or KL can hold "smaller/ess prized-tourneys" like a regular SS, why can't they hold a "bigger prize-money" tourney?
Answer: We must understand that the tournaments making up the different stages of the SS are not new. They are their National Annual Opens that have been in existence all along. These tournaments are conducted not for the SS, but as their own national events . And as to why they can't hold a "bigger prize-money" tournament, only they can answer that question.

Question: Why is it always at the last minute (to hold the SS Finals)?
Answer: That's because BWF is so desperate to have the SS Finals. BWF have a dream to promote Badminton worldwide. In fact, IMHO, BWF was hoping for the SS Finals to be held away from the countries who have a long history of holding their well-known National Opens.

PS: All of the the above answers are my own opinions. Hope that someone from BWF is reading this and will correct my answers.

:):):)
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[Krisna]

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When I said that BWF is not to be blamed, I am actually saying is that there is not enough support for BWF from the rest of us (cities) to make things happen.

Who is responsible for gathering support for this idea: BWF... [fail!]
Who is responsible for giving incentive to host cities: BWF... [fail!]
Who is responsible for making the choice of working with Doha: BWF... [fail!]
Who is responsible for announcing/not announcing: BWF... [fail!]
Who is responsible for the timing of announcements: BWF... [fail!]

We all know BWF is responsible to make badminton better and they are not failing in that. But in the case of managing the SS Finals they are doing a bad job! Period. That's all.

chris@ccc, after all this discussion and you still insist that your analysis is that BWF is not to blame in managing the SS Finals... it is your choice. Clearly your concept of management [and what makes management sense to you] is different than mine and some of my friends. I have been in top management for more than 10 years and I know very well who should be responsible in this situation.

[ctjcad]

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Question: If you were in BWF shoes, would you have undertaken the same approach as they did?
Answer: A BIG "No". :):):) I wouldn't have allocated all the US$500,000.00 to just the players alone as prize money.I would have given some to the host cities to reward them for helping to hold the SS Finals. At this stage of our Badminton history, prize money is not the main attraction for players to participate in tournaments. As was pointed out earlier, China wasn't even interested in participating in the 2007 SS Finals (even if it was to be held)..
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..chris@ccc, looking at all the events leading up to the current situation, with AUS being one of the countries unable to host this event, with all the late, late, late, cancelled, postponed news, do you think BWF has run a good process in presenting this event??:confused:..If you were in BWF shoes, would you have undertaken the same approach as they did??..:confused:

(wanted to add this but ran out of time)
..possibly. Do you think that's a good approach?? Waiting til last minute and then announcing it a month or so prior to the event??..why is it always at the last minute??..:confused:
..appreciate for answering (some) of the questions.:)
Actually for the above question, you might've translate it differently. It's actually still part of the earlier question(s) which (for some reason) was skipped; i've repost them above.
In essence, the question has revolved around the same theme:
With all that's happened, in the last yr or so with this SS Finale, do you think/feel BWF has approached & run a good process in presenting this event??
If you don't feel so, how would you have done it differently??

Who is responsible for gathering support for this idea: BWF... [fail!]
Who is responsible for giving incentive to host cities: BWF... [fail!]
Who is responsible for making the choice of working with Doha: BWF... [fail!]
Who is responsible for announcing/not announcing: BWF... [fail!]
Who is responsible for the timing of announcements: BWF... [fail!]
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..wait, there's one more:
Who is responsible for FINALLY presenting this tourney in KK: BWF... [pending]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/3.gif

[pjswift]

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Hi ctjcad,

Question: If you were in BWF shoes, would you have undertaken the same approach as they did?
Answer: A BIG "No". :):):) I wouldn't have allocated all the US$500,000.00 to just the players alone as prize money.I would have given some to the host cities to reward them for helping to hold the SS Finals. At this stage of our Badminton history, prize money is not the main attraction for players to participate in tournaments. As was pointed out earlier, China wasn't even interested in participating in the 2007 SS Finals (even if it was to be held).

Question: If cities like Jakarta or KL can hold "smaller/ess prized-tourneys" like a regular SS, why can't they hold a "bigger prize-money" tourney?
Answer: We must understand that the tournaments making up the different stages of the SS are not new. They are their National Annual Opens that have been in existence all along. These tournaments are conducted not for the SS, but as their own national events . And as to why they can't hold a "bigger prize-money" tournament, only they can answer that question.

Question: Why is it always at the last minute (to hold the SS Finals)?
Answer: That's because BWF is so desperate to have the SS Finals. BWF have a dream to promote Badminton worldwide. In fact, IMHO, BWF was hoping for the SS Finals to be held away from the countries who have a long history of holding their well-known National Opens.

PS: All of the the above answers are my own opinions. Hope that someone from BWF is reading this and will correct my answers.

:):):)
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I find the idea of rewarding host organisers unreal.And at the expense of the players?
What's US$500000 divided by 5 events divided by 8 shares per event? That's just over US$10000 per player share!That's peanuts!(unless it's Spore's NKF peanuts which once had a reputed value of US$50000 per peanut)
If Melbourne missed the opportunity to hold the SSF, that's BAA's shortcoming and lack of imagination.You don't expect the BAA to finance hosting the event.Rather, one would expect the BAA to approach the Victoria Tourism Board to sponsor and fund the major part.It involves how well you can sell to VTB.
First, the interest will be very high,locally. As an indication,the Commonwealth Games badminton tournament was sold out. And that's just with LCW as the star.And at SSF, we 're talking about the top 8, so it would attract a lot of interest internationally.Anything that can bring in tourist receipts should attract VTB interest.Badminton fans are not just going to fly in just to watch top class badminton. They gotta eat, pay for accm and do tha extra bit to help the host economy.Some of this money's going back to the Tourism Board.There's no guarantee VTB's gonna make profits from this but where's ever the guarantee that their other vague non-sport tourist efforts have?The great thing about sports event sponsorship is that it can be measured directly and quickly.If VTB don't try , they won't know.What's $250,000 to them? You think they can't recoup that sum from badminton fans?Who do they think badminton fans are? Paupers? Assuming 3000 season tickets at US$200 each, that's US$600000.And that's not including hotel and shopping yet! Plus VTB( and Melbourne) get free advertising on sports TV worldwide!One 30s TVC spot is worth more than US$100000.And the SSF airtime exposure is gonna be four whole days, not just 30s! When you factor in all these numbers to VTB, they know they will have a winner hosting the SSF.
But I'm glad KK won this opportunity. Sabah is such a tourist-driven economy they can spot a winner before VTB even woke up.And I'm just wondering what's our SBA doing. Was SBA not even approached?
BTW, why should CHN's disinterest determine SSF's fate? The main reason why CHN's not keen is because of the two per country limit. But look which country's losing out on that rule now.

[chris-ccc]

We all know BWF is responsible to make badminton better and they are not failing in that. But in the case of managing the SS Finals they are doing a bad job! Period. That's all.

chris@ccc, after all this discussion and you still insist that your analysis is that BWF is not to blame in managing the SS Finals... it is your choice. Clearly your concept of management [and what makes management sense to you] is different than mine and some of my friends. I have been in top management for more than 10 years and I know very well who should be responsible in this situation.



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There is hope that the SS format/programme can succeed. :):):)

Yes, many would have given up to continue with this SS.
There is just not enough support (from different countries) for it. :(:(:(
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[chris-ccc]

Actually for the above question, you might've translate it differently. It's actually still part of the earlier question(s) which (for some reason) was skipped; i've repost them above.
In essence, the question has revolved around the same theme:
With all that's happened, in the last yr or so with this SS Finale, do you think/feel BWF has approached & run a good process in presenting this event??
If you don't feel so, how would you have done it differently??

..wait, there's one more:
Who is responsible for FINALLY presenting this tourney in KK: BWF... [pending]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/3.gif



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:):):) I don't work for BWF and/or for KK Badminton. Please don't ask me too many question on them. I am only interested that the SS can go ahead.

My concern is to popularise Badminton and to thank any city willing to host it. And if KK decides to cancel the SS Finals in the last minute, I would not blame them either.
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[chris-ccc]

I find the idea of rewarding host organisers unreal.And at the expense of the players?

If Melbourne missed the opportunity to hold the SSF, that's BAA's shortcoming and lack of imagination.You don't expect the BAA to finance hosting the event.Rather, one would expect the BAA to approach the Victoria Tourism Board to sponsor and fund the major part.It involves how well you can sell to VTB.



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:):):) pjswift ... Perhaps in my last previous posts you would have detected me saying ...
Let's not ask what Badminton can do for us, but what we can do for Badminton.

You are from Singapore (almost in the middle top Badminton playing nations), why not you get to ask the Singapore Badminton Association to host it?.

I am only concerned that the SS format/programme can be continued.

:):):)
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[ctjcad]

...(pjswift's detailed response snipped for brevity)
But I'm glad KK won this opportunity. Sabah is such a tourist-driven economy they can spot a winner before VTB even woke up.And I'm just wondering what's our SBA doing. Was SBA not even approached?
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..that's the reason why i wondered about the decision and why a city like Melbourne (as attractive for tourism as it is & as green a pasture to promote badminton) couldn't go through with hosting it & was turned down..
Do we know what BWF actually requires of for a host city to be eligible to host this SS Finale?? Is it simply really to have a US$250,000 down payment to have this event??..
That's what the inquiring minds want to know and i was wondering if our BCers who are going to watch the SS Finale could possibly find out from the organizer about the real story behind this.:cool:

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:):):) I don't work for BWF and/or for KK Badminton. Please don't ask me too many question on them. I am only interested that the SS can go ahead.

My concern is to popularise Badminton and to thank any city willing to host it. And if KK decides to cancel the SS Finals in the last minute, I would not blame them either.
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..thank you for replying (which i'm still looking for the answer to)..;)
chris@ccc, there's no doubt you and everyone of us:):
1. Want SS/format to succeed..
2. Want to popularize badminton as much as possible..
3. Of course, we all know you don't work for BWF or KK badminton..:p
4. We, as fans, should help promote the sport and BWF in holding more baddy tourneys as best as we can..

But by botching up and presenting the SS Finale like this, do you think it helps the image of badminton worldwide?
Like a few BCers mentioned before, how about the players who've prepared themselves for this event, by attending as many SS events as possible (some might even sponsored themselves out of their own pocket)? Any concern about their well being/feeling? I can picture myself in their shoes; can you?:confused:
And if this Finale gets cancelled (and God forbid it get cancelled, again:o), how about the feeling of those BCers who've already paid plane tix & accommodation to come & watch??:confused:
I can also picture myself in pjswift's, abedeng's, Hau-ge's (who's flying in from the other side of the world;)), Louisa's shoes or maybe slippers/sandals since they are going on a mini vacation; can you??(well, maybe they'll just spend a few days there for R & R and shopping, might as well. Heck maybe even hold their own baddy tournament amongst themselves:p)
And still, there's no feeling BWF is responsible in all this??..Even if you were in their (BWF's) shoes??..:confused:

Anyhoo, all i was asking was a simple question, not too many questions, looking for a yes, no or combo answer...ah well*sigh*...:confused: :p

[chris-ccc]

..that's the reason why i wondered about the decision and why a city like Melbourne (as attractive for tourism as it is & as green a pasture to promote badminton) couldn't go through with hosting it & was turned down.

Do we know what BWF actually requires of for a host city to be eligible to host this SS Finale?? Is it simply really to have a US$250,000 down payment to have this event??..



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OMG, I'd better correct a few things here;
(1) The city of Melbourne wasn't turned down.
(2) The host city is not required to make down payment of any money.

What I'd said was the host city is to provide a venue for the tournament, accommodation (like an Olympic Village) for players and officials, advertisements and ticket sales for the event, etc... And we in Melbourne estimated that we would need US$250,000.00 to do it.

All ticket sales money goes to the organisers (of the host city). But we in Melbourne think that we could not recoup the expenses from our ticket sales because Badminton is not popular here.

Actually any rich member of Badminton Central can host it too, if his/her National Association supports/approves it.

Please refer to Post#55 again.

:):):)
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[ants]

The matter is already over.. its too late to do anything. What we can do now is to enjoy the SS Finals and complain after that.

[ctjcad]

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OMG, I'd better correct a few things here;
(1) The city of Melbourne wasn't turned down.
(2) The host city is not required to make down payment of any money.

What I'd said was the host city is to provide a venue for the tournament, accommodation (like an Olympic Village) for players and officials, advertisements and ticket sales for the event, etc... And we in Melbourne estimated that we would need US$250,000.00 to do it.

All ticket sales money goes to the organisers (of the host city). But we in Melbourne think that we could not recoup the expenses from our ticket sales because Badminton is not popular here.
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..got the wrong/mixed up info here..:p
But i think bottom line is, the host city (Melbourne) had to come up with some sort of a money figure, approx. US$250k, to cover the event (heck, might as well call it a down payment):p..no??..
I meant the city of Melbourne was turned down/didn't qualify because they couldn't come up with the cost to cover all the necessary SS Finale requirements, which are required by BWF. Thus BWF selected KK, because KK supposedly will be able to cover the cost to host the event...

The matter is already over.. its too late to do anything. What we can do now is to enjoy the SS Finals and complain after that.
to be continued??..:p...:)...:p
No lah, ants, we're just having a friendly banter here just to kill time before the SS Finale......;)

[chris-ccc]

The matter is already over.. its too late to do anything. What we can do now is to enjoy the SS Finals and complain after that.



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:):):) It's great that KK will host it. Hope there will be no complain to KK. :):):)
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[chris-ccc]

..got the wrong/mixed up info here..:p
But i think bottom line is, the host city (Melbourne) had to come up with some sort of a money figure, approx. US$250k, to cover the event (heck, might as well call it a down payment):p..no??..
I meant the city of Melbourne was turned down/didn't qualify because they couldn't come up with the cost to cover all the necessary SS Finale requirements, which are required by BWF. Thus BWF selected KK, because KK supposedly will be able to cover the cost to host the event...

to be continued??..:p...:)...:p
No lah, ants, we're just having a friendly banter here just to kill time before the SS Finale......;)



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ctjcad ... You cannot call it a down payment. Perhaps I didn't make things clear enough. :o

Let us have an analogy...
I have written a musical play. I will allow you to stage it. You don't have to pay me anything.
But please don't make my musical looks bad. :):):)

So what are you going to do? Some questions you would ask could be;
(1) How much money do I need to stage it?
(2) How many people would come to watch it?
(3) Can I afford the time and effort to stage it?
(4) Will I make a profit from it?
(5) Can I afford the money if I make a loss?

If you call the above expenses (money and time ) as down payment, then let it be so...
So what you have said about the down payment is not for BWF.

:):):)
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[ctjcad]

..the analogy...I'm speaking abt "down payment", figuratively.;) And it is not for BWF (have i mentioned that??); rather on the AUS/Melbourne side. It's a proof that i'm able to **at least** acquire/hold the event it (just like a property). If i have no proof of doing so, how can i hold the event/acquire it?? Whatever profit i get from my holding the event, through my "down payment", i will keep (in case of automobiles, electronics, i will lose value).;)

We'll see lah, chris@ccc. I'm also getting tired of this fun little banter (while waiting for you to answer my earlier simple question:);)).
I'll hope for the best, this event won't be cancelled and the place will be filled to max. capacity during those 3 days.:cool:

[chris-ccc]

We'll see lah, chris@ccc. I'm also getting tired of this fun little banter (while waiting for you to answer my earlier simple question:);)).

I'll hope for the best, this event won't be cancelled and the place will be filled to max. capacity during those 3 days. :cool:



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:D:D:D What was your earlier simple question again? :D:D:D

Btw, I think KK can do it without problems... Because Badminton is more popular in Malaysia.

:):):)
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[ctjcad]

..it might've gotten lost or wasn't clear (post #133). Simple yes or no or combo..:p:

With all that's happened, in the last yr or so with this SS Finale, do you think/feel BWF has approached & run a good process in presenting this event??..

If you don't feel so, how would you have done it differently??(this is an optional question/answer)

[chris-ccc]

..it might've gotten lost or wasn't clear (post #133). Simple yes or no or combo..:p:

With all that's happened, in the last yr or so with this SS Finale, do you think/feel BWF has approached & run a good process in presenting this event??..

If you don't feel so, how would you have done it differently??(this is an optional question/answer)



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Question: Do you think/feel BWF has approached & run a good process in presenting this event?
Answer: I think/feel BWF has tried their very best. If I didn't think so, I would have got myself involved with BWF (perhaps, joining their committee) to organise things differently.

:):):)
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[ctjcad]

..i definitely had a strong feeling you would answer it like that.;) Since it's a bit of an ambiguous/diplomatic answer (no clear yes or no), i would say it falls under the yes & no answer....am i correct??..:confused::)

[chris-ccc]

..i definitely had a strong feeling you would answer it like that.;) Since it's a bit of an ambiguous/diplomatic answer (no clear yes or no), i would say it falls under the yes & no answer....am i correct??..:confused::)



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BWF is doing OK. If members here at Badminton Central are not happy with BWF, we should get ourselves involved with BWF to change things.

Complaining without action can never change things for us.

:):):)
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[ctjcad]

..working & changing things for the better is definitely something we baddy fans should achieve.
But IMO, before that, there should be some sort of admittance that there have been shortcoming, things that haven't gone the way they should or there have been things that should have been organized/handled better....In other words, there should be some sort of responsibility. Without acknowledging the shortcomings, it means that everything is "perfect" (and we all know nothing is perfect in this world)...do you agree??..:confused::)

Btw, i just noticed our Krisna just walked in...i don't know what else he'll put forth...:p:) ;)

[chris-ccc]

..working & changing things for the better is definitely something we baddy fans should achieve.

But IMO, before that, there should be some sort of admittance that there have been shortcoming, things that haven't gone the way they should or there have been things that should have been organized/handled better....In other words, there should be some sort of responsibility. Without acknowledging the shortcomings, it means that everything is "perfect" (and we all know nothing is perfect in this world)...do you agree??..:confused::)



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Glad to acknowledge BWF's shortcoming. As I have said before...

If we are not happy with BWF, we should get ourselves involved in BWF to change things.
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[abedeng]

Ok, let's go back to the main objective of the Super Series.

It was said that Super Series was established to do 2 major things:
1. enhance popularity of the sport globally.
2. enhance the players' earnings thru a higher minimum prize money

Basically, objective 2 is the driver of BWF's targets. If you get 2 right, you will see objective 1 be met and improved.

I remember last time they even set up bwfsuperseries.com website, and countries have to commit to having telecasts of at least semis and finals matches for all super series events.

But now, that website is defunct after only a year, and looking at how Astro handled it yesterday, even rugby world cup takes centrestage and our badminton telecast was interrupted after 3 matches. And let's not even talk about the recent BWF power struggle.

If BWF couldn't even get the SS Masters Finals (well, that's what they call it) to be hosted at other locations, locations that might not be popular with badminton right now, how is the popularity of the sport going to improve?

One suggestion is as mentioned by pjswift, the budding host country (with some assistance from BWF) must sell the idea to the tourism industry. And the tourism industry can provide competitive packages for tourists to come and join the fun. BC forummers and fans would then travel the earth to be part of the experience as long as costs are reasonable.

And once you fill the stadium, surely at least the costs could be recouped, not to mention some royalty from live TV rights ......

[abedeng]

It was said that Super Series was established to do 2 major things:
1. enhance popularity of the sport globally.
2. enhance the players' earnings thru a higher minimum prize money

Basically, objective 2 is the driver of BWF's targets. If you get 2 right, you will see objective 1 be met and improved.



Sorry, what I meant was objective 1 is the driver of BWF's targets, and if you get 1 right, 2 will be achieved automatically.

Too engrossed in PAW strategies, I had the objectives upside down. :p

[chris-ccc]

Sorry, what I meant was objective 1 is the driver of BWF's targets, and if you get 1 right, 2 will be achieved automatically.

Too engrossed in PAW strategies, I had the objectives upside down. :p



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:D:D:D That's for sure abedeng ... You are too engrossed in your PAW strategies. :D:D:D

You even said that pjswift said that budding host country is to get some assistance from BWF.
Check this out again. :):):)
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[abedeng]

Ok, let's go back to the main objective of the Super Series.

It was said that Super Series was established to do 2 major things:
1. enhance popularity of the sport globally.
2. enhance the players' earnings thru a higher minimum prize money

Basically, objective 2 is the driver of BWF's targets. If you get 2 right, you will see objective 1 be met and improved.

I remember last time they even set up bwfsuperseries.com website, and countries have to commit to having telecasts of at least semis and finals matches for all super series events.

But now, that website is defunct after only a year, and looking at how Astro handled it yesterday, even rugby world cup takes centrestage and our badminton telecast was interrupted after 3 matches. And let's not even talk about the recent BWF power struggle.

If BWF couldn't even get the SS Masters Finals (well, that's what they call it) to be hosted at other locations, locations that might not be popular with badminton right now, how is the popularity of the sport going to improve?

One suggestion is as mentioned by pjswift, the budding host country (with some assistance from BWF) must sell the idea to the tourism industry. And the tourism industry can provide competitive packages for tourists to come and join the fun. BC forummers and fans would then travel the earth to be part of the experience as long as costs are reasonable.

And once you fill the stadium, surely at least the costs could be recouped, not to mention some royalty from live TV rights ......


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:D:D:D That's for sure abedeng ... You are too engrossed in your PAW strategies. :D:D:D

You even said that pjswift said that budding host country is to get some assistance from BWF.
Check this out again. :):):)
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No, I said that they should get some assistance from BWF, that was my own comment, in addition to pjswift's tourism industry suggestion. That's why I put it in brackets.

Yup, still second guessing my PAW, I will miss the final this afternoon. :(

[Krisna]

Btw, i just noticed our Krisna just walked in...i don't know what else he'll put forth...:p:) ;)

ctjcad, I don't agree with many things [though not all] of what chris@ccc wrote. His way of thinking and values are just not the same... What he saw as ok, was obviously not ok for some of us. But I do agree with the talk regarding "it is better to do something than just complain".

One day in the future I think I should just run for the BWF Presidency... :p hehehe...but as our ancient Chinese ancestors said: improve yourself first, then improve your home & community, then improve your country, then improve the world... We, in INA badminton, are in the midst of really improving ourselves [our home & community, in this respect]... ;)

We think we already elected the right person to take INA badminton forward. I'm not inside PBSI right now, but I have enough connections in the INA badminton world to know that positive dreams and realistic action plans are being drawn and coordinated right now by the new management [that will take power January 2009]. We won't make the stupid mistakes that BWF has done. :rolleyes: We're not going to announce things before they are good and ready. We're just going to coordinate and execute things well... we will concentrate on actions that produce results... We should first show BWF how badminton should be managed! :)

If you ask me whether INA badminton is well run today, the answer is no. So before we go further and criticize BWF too much more, I think we better clean out our won mess...:p we can criticize BWF some more later.... ;)

[ctjcad]

..is bu Yanti (from PBSI) on the way out, starting in January??...:p ;)

I think bottom line is, i would not mind if there's a balance approach in our discussion/point of contention (an acknowledgement of shortcomings as well as the positives)..:cool:

[abedeng]

Krisna, I am really jealous of INA badminton. Without being well run, badminton could still consistently contribute World and Olympic Champs for INA.

In contrast, when BAM was most professionally well run, our best achievement was the last Thomas Cup victory in '92.

[ants]

Krisna, I am really jealous of INA badminton. Without being well run, badminton could still consistently contribute World and Olympic Champs for INA.

In contrast, when BAM was most professionally well run, our best achievement was the last Thomas Cup victory in '92.

Thats the difference between Desire and Politics.

[chris-ccc]

Thats the difference between Desire and Politics.



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:D:D:D And what is good for politics is sometimes very bad for sports. :D:D:D
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[badMania]

..is bu Yanti (from PBSI) on the way out, starting in January??...:p ;)

I think bottom line is, i would not mind if there's a balance approach in our discussion/point of contention (an acknowledgement of shortcomings as well as the positives)..:cool:

I was about to write that...but Chris beat me to this one.
It's Ibu Yati :o She should be fired...as well as those incompetent ppl inside PBSI.

[george@chongwei]

What does ibu yato does??

[Krisna]

Krisna, I am really jealous of INA badminton. Without being well run, badminton could still consistently contribute World and Olympic Champs for INA.


I'm actually surprised myself... :p What DID we do... how come we are sort of lucky [so many times]...
:confused: :o :o

[ctjcad]

What does ibu yato does??
..ibu Yati, according to some reports, is usually responsible for registering PBSI players to tournaments. But for some unknown reasons, her calendar in the office is always a month late and some say she might be overdue for an eye exam as she often times mixed up players' names in submitting their registration forms.....http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/29.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/9.gif

[Jagdpanther]

I'm actually surprised myself... :p What DID we do... how come we are sort of lucky [so many times]...
:confused: :o :o
'Someone' granted 200 million of INA people plea, "Please give us ONE reason why we should be proud of our country..." ;)

[hansonlouphers]

..ibu Yati, according to some reports, is usually responsible for registering PBSI players to tournaments. But for some unknown reasons, her calendar in the office is always a month late and some say she might be overdue for an eye exam as she often times mixed up players' names in submitting their registration forms.....http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/29.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/9.gif

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: OMG,,,she's forgetful lady or she's just kidding?? :confused::confused:

hopefully,, that shame thing wont happen again,, :rolleyes:. amen!


'Someone' granted 200 million of INA people plea, "Please give us ONE reason why we should be proud of our country..." ;)

:D:D

[abedeng]

I'm actually surprised myself... :p What DID we do... how come we are sort of lucky [so many times]...
:confused: :o :o

When you do it once, it's luck.

When you do it many times, that's called "tradition". :D:D:D And having supportive clubs like Djarum, Tangkas et al does help, a lot .......

[Jagdpanther]

When you do it once, it's luck.

When you do it many times, that's called "tradition". :D:D:D And having supportive clubs like Djarum, Tangkas et al does help, a lot .......
But I thought Malaysia has KLRC, Nusa Mahsuri, and many others? :confused:

[abedeng]

But I thought Malaysia has KLRC, Nusa Mahsuri, and many others? :confused:

Nusa Mahsuri came about from a splinter of players and ex-players (led by the Sidek brothers) who were not happy of how politicians came about to remove the then BAM President in 1993. Now, they still maintain a sort of love-hate relationship with BAM, which resulted in the top BAM MS player getting training from Nusa's top coach.

KLRC was only recently formed, and is more geared towards sponsoring any existing talent, whether Malaysian ex-players or International players. Maybe one day, the KLRC academy will be able to nurture very young talents, but not now.

The club system in Malaysia is not as developed as Indonesia, and funding from private sector is difficult to get. New players generally come up the ranks from the district and state level, thru BAM state affiliates.

[ants]

Nusa Mahsuri came about from a splinter of players and ex-players (led by the Sidek brothers) who were not happy of how politicians came about to remove the then BAM President in 1993. Now, they still maintain a sort of love-hate relationship with BAM, which resulted in the top BAM MS player getting training from Nusa's top coach.

KLRC was only recently formed, and is more geared towards sponsoring any existing talent, whether Malaysian ex-players or International players. Maybe one day, the KLRC academy will be able to nurture very young talents, but not now.

The club system in Malaysia is not as developed as Indonesia, and funding from private sector is difficult to get. New players generally come up the ranks from the district and state level, thru BAM state affiliates.

I agree with you on this. Most grassroots is mostly from the Government affiliates, which is connected with BAM. Unless those young players is from
International or Private Schools. However even then.. some who is selected for the Grassroots Development for future Talents under BAM does have some connections. Anyway its really tough when come to young players, have to deal with Parents,existing coaches etc..

[chris-ccc]

I agree with you on this. Most grassroots is mostly from the Government affiliates, which is connected with BAM. Unless those young players is from International or Private Schools. However even then.. some who is selected for the Grassroots Development for future Talents under BAM does have some connections. Anyway its really tough when come to young players, have to deal with Parents, existing coaches etc..



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ONE DAY, we hope that ONE DAY our Malaysian players would not be requiring Government affiliates to be involved in selecting players, but just for providing funds to promote Badminton.

Many Government affiliates understand little about Badminton.

:):):)
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[abedeng]

Anyway like ants implied, Malaysian parents will take some convincing, 'cos they focus more on education rather than sports. There are those sports schools, supposedly where young talents are nurtured, but we've heard of many budding talents rejected entry for whatever reason (connections or, ahem, moolah). Each sports school is supposed to specialized in only a few sports, but we haven't hit paydirt yet ......

Unless your kid is really talented (like our squash queen Nicol David) or you have the dictatorial mindset of the late Dato' Haji Sidek Kamar (father of the Sidek brothers), kids are not normally exposed to career in sports.

Anyway, back to the BWF's handling of the SS Finals. It is actually all about having proper planning and backup plans. Granted that BWF is not a profit-oriented organization, but it has to do effective selling on badminton for it to catch interest.

[abedeng]

This is what I manually computed, based on latest ranking + estimated no of pts gained in the HK Open. They are not necessarily in right ranking order or 100% accurate.:p

Qualifiers - MS

1. Lee Chong Wei - Malaysia
2. Sony Dwi Kuncoro - Indonesia
3. Joachim Persson - Denmark
4. Chen Jin - China
5. Peter Hoeg Gade - Denmark
6. Lin Dan - China
7. Taufik Hidayat - Indonesia
8. Chan Yan Kit - Hong Kong

* Note: Kenneth Jonassen was among the top 8, but Denmark already has 2 higher ranked qualifiers.

Qualifiers - WS

1. Zhou Mi - Hong Kong
2. Tine Rasmussen - Denmark
3. Lu Lan - China
4. Zhu Lin - China
5. Wang Chen - Hong Kong
6. Pi Hongyan - France
7. Xu Huaiwen - Germany
8. Hwang Hye Youn - Korea

* Note: Wang Lin was among the top 8, but China already has 2 higher ranked qualifiers. I do not know whether China is allowed to select any 2 of its players from the list of top 8, or strictly go through rankings. I suspect it is possible for Wang Lin (ranked 6th) to replace either Lu Lan (ranked 3rd) or Zhu Lin (ranked 4th).

Qualifiers - MD

1. Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan - Indonesia
2. Mohd Fairuzizuan Tazari/Mohd Zakry Abd Latif - Malaysia
3. Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen - Denmark
4. Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae - Korea
5. Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen - Denmark
6. Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya - US/Indonesia
7. Koo Kien Kiat/Tan Boon Heong - Malaysia
8. Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng - China

Qualifiers - WD

1. Wong Pei Tty/Chin Eei Hui - Malaysia
2. Du Jing/Yu Yang - China
3. Vita Marissa/Lilyana Natsir - Indonesia
4. Ha Eun Jung/Kim Min Jun - Korea
5. Cheng Shu/Zhao Yunlei - China
6. Lena Frier Christiansen/Kamilla Rytter Juhl - Denmark
7. Miyuki Maeda/Satoko Suetsuna - Japan
8. Lee Kyung Won/Lee Hyo Jung - Korea

* Note: If LKW/LHJ does not compete (due to LKW's retirement), their place will be taken up by the next highest active ranked pair from any other country other than China.

Qualifiers - XD

1. Nova Widianto/Liliyana Natsir - Indonesia
2. He Hanbin/Yu Yang - China
3. Thomas Laybourn/Kamilla Rytter Juhl - Denmark
4. Lee Yong Dae/Lee Hyo Jung - Korea
5. Anthony Clark/Donna Kellogg - England
6. Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen - China
7. Robert Blair/Imogen Bankier - England/Scotland
8. Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thungthongkam - Thailand

[michidan]

can i know whether anyone know the ticket for this super series is open for sale now? or not? if yes... please give me the info... thx very much!

[chris-ccc]

This is what I manually computed, based on latest ranking + estimated no of pts gained in the HK Open. They are not necessarily in right ranking order or 100% accurate.



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abedeng ... Thank you for taking time to compile your list of SS qualifiers.

Some players who missed a few SS events to concentrate on the Olympic Games have now found themselves unable to qualify for this 2008 SS Finals.

Badminton is so different from Tennis. Tennis players would have concentrated less on the Olympics, but more on their Series Tournaments.
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[PlayaFromMalaya]

This is what I manually computed, based on latest ranking + estimated no of pts gained in the HK Open. They are not necessarily in right ranking order or 100% accurate.:p

Qualifiers - MS

1. Lee Chong Wei - Malaysia
2. Sony Dwi Kuncoro - Indonesia
3. Joachim Persson - Denmark
4. Chen Jin - China
5. Peter Hoeg Gade - Denmark
6. Lin Dan - China
7. Taufik Hidayat - Indonesia
8. Chan Yan Kit - Hong Kong

* Note: Kenneth Jonassen was among the top 8, but Denmark already has 2 higher ranked qualifiers.

Qualifiers - WS

1. Zhou Mi - Hong Kong
2. Tine Rasmussen - Denmark
3. Lu Lan - China
4. Zhu Lin - China
5. Wang Chen - Hong Kong
6. Pi Hongyan - France
7. Xu Huaiwen - Germany
8. Hwang Hye Youn - Korea

* Note: Wang Lin was among the top 8, but China already has 2 higher ranked qualifiers. I do not know whether China is allowed to select any 2 of its players from the list of top 8, or strictly go through rankings. I suspect it is possible for Wang Lin (ranked 6th) to replace either Lu Lan (ranked 3rd) or Zhu Lin (ranked 4th).

Qualifiers - MD

1. Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan - Indonesia
2. Mohd Fairuzizuan Tazari/Mohd Zakry Abd Latif - Malaysia
3. Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen - Denmark
4. Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae - Korea
5. Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen - Denmark
6. Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya - US/Indonesia
7. Koo Kien Kiat/Tan Boon Heong - Malaysia
8. Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng - China

Qualifiers - WD

1. Wong Pei Tty/Chin Eei Hui - Malaysia
2. Du Jing/Yu Yang - China
3. Vita Marissa/Lilyana Natsir - Indonesia
4. Ha Eun Jung/Kim Min Jun - Korea
5. Cheng Shu/Zhao Yunlei - China
6. Lena Frier Christiansen/Kamilla Rytter Juhl - Denmark
7. Miyuki Maeda/Satoko Suetsuna - Japan
8. Lee Kyung Won/Lee Hyo Jung - Korea

* Note: If LKW/LHJ does not compete (due to LKW's retirement), their place will be taken up by the next highest active ranked pair from any other country other than China.

Qualifiers - XD

1. Nova Widianto/Liliyana Natsir - Indonesia
2. He Hanbin/Yu Yang - China
3. Thomas Laybourn/Kamilla Rytter Juhl - Denmark
4. Lee Yong Dae/Lee Hyo Jung - Korea
5. Anthony Clark/Donna Kellogg - England
6. Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen - China
7. Robert Blair/Imogen Bankier - England/Scotland
8. Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thungthongkam - Thailand

pretty sure lee chong wei will not be competing..

[Ajaib]

pretty sure lee chong wei will not be competing..
wew... are you sure??? from where the info???
no Lee Chong Wei and Xie Xingfang????
hmmmmmmmmm....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes:

[Han]

wew... are you sure??? from where the info???
no Lee Chong Wei and Xie Xingfang????
hmmmmmmmmm....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes:

Lee Chong Wei will be participating the SS Final, however, he will skip the Malaysia national final. I recall reading few articles from Malaysia press last week.

[chris-ccc]

Lee Chong Wei will be participating the SS Final, however, he will skip the Malaysia national final. I recall reading few articles from Malaysia press last week.



.
I think Han is more correct.

I thought LCW skipped the 2008 Hong Kong Open SS to nurse his injury in order for him to prepare for the 2008 SS Finals. And I hope that LCW will be ready by then.

Should be expecting an All-Out 'LCW vs LD" match there.
.

[eaglehelang]

Lee Chong Wei will be participating the SS Final, however, he will skip the Malaysia national final. I recall reading few articles from Malaysia press last week.

Yup. LCW will skip the national grand prix finals held a week bf SS finals and prepare for SS Finals in Sabah.

[limsy]

hmm...i wonder why kenichi tago didnt play in co2 and hko...if not...he had a nice chance to qualify..

[CLELY]

This is what I manually computed, based on latest ranking + estimated no of pts gained in the HK Open. They are not necessarily in right ranking order or 100% accurate.:p

Qualifiers - MS

1. Lee Chong Wei - Malaysia
2. Sony Dwi Kuncoro - Indonesia
3. Joachim Persson - Denmark
4. Chen Jin - China
5. Peter Hoeg Gade - Denmark
6. Lin Dan - China
7. Taufik Hidayat - Indonesia
8. Chan Yan Kit - Hong Kong


Unfortunately Park Sung Hwan is exluded of above list, looks like Chan Yan Kit is the weakest qualifier compared to others.

[george@chongwei]

pretty sure lee chong wei will not be competing..
pls dont post misleading info here...

[jasonmarc]

MS.....2 from INA, Chn and Den and one each from MAS and HK.....

[jasonmarc]

pls dont post misleading info here...

George,.....any infos about the ticket.....and the format of this tourney....?;)

[george@chongwei]

yeah, i have got lots of information to share with u guys..
wow, lots of luxuries moneys and accomodation provided to all the qualified players!;)


Draw and Seeding of the 2008 BWF Super Series Master Final

Seeding date : Thursday 12 December 2008

Draw date : Tuesday 16 December 2008 at 19:00
Media event - all players to attend


wow..!!

Invited Players

All invited players will get the following:


airfare (economy class) provided
free hotel accommodation
transport to and from the airport and to the competition venue
a daily allowance
a chance to compete for a price pool of US$500,000

[george@chongwei]

for more information, i've uploaded 2 attachments from BWF websites..

check it out;):cool:

[huangkwokhau]

yeah, i have got lots of information to share with u guys..
wow, lots of luxuries moneys and accomodation provided to all the qualified players!;)


Draw and Seeding of the 2008 BWF Super Series Master Final

Seeding date : Thursday 12 December 2008

Draw date : Tuesday 16 December 2008 at 19:00
Media event - all players to attend


wow..!!

Invited Players

All invited players will get the following:


airfare (economy class) provided
free hotel accommodation
transport to and from the airport and to the competition venue
a daily allowance
a chance to compete for a price pool of US$500,000

US$ 50 for each player for each day....

[george@chongwei]

wah, so good...
all the players must be really enjoy themselves there in KK..:);)

[PlayaFromMalaya]

pls dont post misleading info here...

i only made a mistake , jeeze..

[chris-ccc]

All invited players will get the following:

airfare (economy class) provided
free hotel accommodation
transport to and from the airport and to the competition venue
a daily allowance
.
Haha ... Now you know why Melbourne couldn't afford the money to host it. :o
.

[yourbestfriend]

it's a shame that PSH and XXF did not qualify.
no disrespect to jochaim perrson and the hong kong player, but they maybe shouldn't be there, especially when players like PSH and BCL are sitting out because of them.
i think the 2 players/team per country rule is absolutely retarded.

[ctjcad]

yeah, i have got lots of information to share with u guys..
wow, lots of luxuries moneys and accomodation provided to all the qualified players!;)


Draw and Seeding of the 2008 BWF Super Series Master Final

Seeding date : Thursday 12 December 2008

Draw date : Tuesday 16 December 2008 at 19:00
Media event - all players to attend


wow..!!

Invited Players

All invited players will get the following:


airfare (economy class) provided
free hotel accommodation
transport to and from the airport and to the competition venue
a daily allowance
a chance to compete for a price pool of US$500,000
since in the recent news articles, they somewhat state that the local KK tourism industry will cover and be able to cover this event..
1. How much will they charge for the ticket price (regular, VIPs sections)??
2. What's the stadium's capacity?
:confused:

Also, i'm interested to know & find out, how will they disperse/divvy up the prize money. In other words, how much will each player/pair, in each event, get (i assume winners, runners-ups, 3rd place etc. will get some compensatory monies in addition to the daily $50 allowance fee; or is that what they will only get ($150 for 3 days)??)??..:confused:

[robin7]

This is what I manually computed, based on latest ranking + estimated no of pts gained in the HK Open. They are not necessarily in right ranking order or 100% accurate.:p

The rankings for MD & XD are correct but the other 3 disciplines are slightly incorrect. Anyway, at least u get the list of all qualified players/pairs correct. Here are the corrected list.

MS
1 LEE Chong Wei MAS 58240 Q
2 CHEN Jin CHN 42980+9200=52180 Q
3 DWI KUNCORO Sony INA 49320 Q
4 PERSSON Joachim DEN 45180+2220=47400 Q
5 GADE Peter Hoeg DEN 40660+3600=44260 Q
6 LIN Dan CHN 34000+7800=41800 Q
7 HIDAYAT Taufik INA 35160+6420=41580 Q
8 JONASSEN Kenneth DEN 35760
8 BAO Chunlai CHN 35760
10 CHAN Yan Kit HKG 28560+3600 =32160 Q

MD
1 KIDO Markis/SETIAWAN Hendra INA 60500+5040=65540 Q
2 ABDUL LATIF Mohd Zakry/MOHD TAZARI Mohd Fairuzizuan MAS 53800+7800=61600 Q
3 PAASKE Lars/RASMUSSEN Jonas DEN 52160 Q
4 JUNG Jae Sung/LEE Yong Dae KOR 36240+9200=45440 Q
5 BOE Mathias/MOGENSEN Carsten DEN 38700+2220=40920 Q
6 WIJAYA Candra/GUNAWAN Tony INA/USA 34320+2220=36540 Q
7 KOO Kien Keat/TAN Boon Heong MAS 29520+6420=35940 Q
8 FU Haifeng/CAI Yun CHN CHN 34280 Q

WS
1 Zhou Mi HKG 66340+6420=72760 Q
2 Tine Rasmussen DEN 57720+3600=61320 Q
3 Wang Chen HKG 45540+9200=54740 Q
4 Zhu Lin CHN 46580+6420=53000 Q
5 Lu Lan CHN 49980 Q
6 Wang Lin CHN 39820+2220=42040
7 Pi Hongyan FRA 37380+2220=39600 Q
8 Xu Huaiwen GER 33120+3600=36720 Q
9 Hwang Hye Youn KOR 30360+5040=35400 Q
10 Wong Mew Choo MAS 33120+2220=35340

WD
1 Wong Pei Tty/Chin Eei Hui MAS 57920+6420=64340 Q
2 Du Jing/Yu Yang CHN 54660 Q
3 Vita Marissa/Lilyana Natsir INA 46520+5040=51560 Q
4 Cheng Shu/Zhao Yunlei CHN 32080+7800=39880 Q
5 Lena Frier Christiansen/Kamilla Rytter Juhl DEN 34560+5040=39600 Q
6 Ha Eun Jung/Kim Min Jun KOR 33120+6420=39540 Q
7 Miyuki Maeda/Satoko Suetsuna JPN 30960 Q
8 Lee Kyung Won/Lee Hyo Jung KOR 28460 Q
9 Duang Anong Aroonkesorn/Kunchala Voravichitchaikul THA 23940+2220=26160
10 Chien Yu Chin/Cheng Wen Hsing 25140

XD
1 Nova Widianto/Liliyana Natsir INA 59120+5040=64160 Q
2 He Hanbin/Yu Yang CHN 46320+5040=51360 Q
3 Thomas Laybourn/Kamilla Rytter Juhl DEN 42300+6420=48720 Q
4 Lee Yong Dae/Lee Hyo Jung KOR 37660+7800=45460 Q
5 Anthony Clark/Donna Kellogg ENG 41520+3600=45120 Q
6 Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen CHN 30680+9200=39880 Q
7 Robert Blair/Imogen Bankier ENG/SCO 33610+3600=37210 Q
8 Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thungthongkam THA 34620+2220=36840 Q

[abedeng]

The rankings for MD & XD are correct but the other 3 disciplines are slightly incorrect. Anyway, at least u get the list of all qualified players/pairs correct.

Haa!! I did say I did not necessarily put them based on rankings, did I not? I only wanted to list down the list of qualifiers ....... :D Therefore, I am correct ..... wakakakaka.

Hey madbad, come come join the fun. Your nice Korean girl has qualified ..... :D

[CYW2006]

since in the recent news articles, they somewhat state that the local KK tourism industry will cover and be able to cover this event..
1. How much will they charge for the ticket price (regular, VIPs sections)??
2. What's the stadium's capacity?
:confused:

Also, i'm interested to know & find out, how will they disperse/divvy up the prize money. In other words, how much will each player/pair, in each event, get (i assume winners, runners-ups, 3rd place etc. will get some compensatory monies in addition to the daily $50 allowance fee; or is that what they will only get ($150 for 3 days)??)??..:confused:

vip seasons pass Rm1500

[CYW2006]

Day 1---number seated(session 1, 10pm-4pm)rm55,session 2(session 2 5-11pm) rm75 .....free seating session 1--- rm 35, session 2---rm55

Day 2---number seated (session 1 rm75,session 2 rm95)
free seating session 1---Rm55,session 2---rm75

Semifinal ---number seated(session 1 ,rm105,session 2 rm105)
free seating session1---rm85, session 2---rm85

Final--- number seated---rm125,free seating ---rm105

[robin7]

Haa!! I did say I did not necessarily put them based on rankings, did I not? I only wanted to list down the list of qualifiers ....... :D Therefore, I am correct ..... wakakakaka.

Hey madbad, come come join the fun. Your nice Korean girl has qualified ..... :D
U did. :D:D:D:D:D:D

[chris-ccc]

Day 1---number seated (session 1, 10pm-4pm) rm55, (session 2, 5-11pm) rm75
free seating session 1--- rm35, session 2--- rm55

Day 2---number seated (session 1, rm75, session 2, rm95)
free seating session 1--- rm55, session 2--- rm75

Semifinal---number seated (session 1 , rm105, session 2, rm105)
free seating session1--- rm85, session 2--- rm85

Final---number seated--- rm125
free seating--- rm105



.
It's great that the organisers have allowed for free seating. That's where followers of different nations can have fun congregating to cheer together. :):):)
.

[ants]

Men’s singles:


1. Lee Chong Wei MAS
2. Chen Jin CHINA
3. Sony Dwi Kuncoro INDONESIA
4. Joachim Persson DENMARK
5. Peter Gade DENMARK
6. Lin Dan CHINA
7. Taufik Hidayat INDONESIA
8. Chan Yan Kit HONG KONG

Men’s doubles:

1. Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan INDONESIA
2. Zakry Abdul Latif-Mohd Fairuzizuan Tazari MALAYSIA
3. Lars Paaske-Jonas Rasmussen DENMARK
4. Jung Jae Sung-Lee Yong Dae KOREA
5. Mathias Boe-Carsten Mogensen DENAMRK
6. Candra Wijaya-Tony Gunawan INDONESIA/USA
7. Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong MALAYSIA
8. Fu Haifeng-Cai Yun CHINA

Women’s singles:


1. Zhou Mi HONG KONG
2. Tine Rasmussen DENMARK
3. Wang Chen HONG KONG
4. Zhu Lin CHINA
5. Lu Lan CHINA
6. Pi Hongyan FRANCE
7. Xu Huaiwen GERMANY
8. Hwang Hye Youn KOREA

Women’s doubles:


1. Wong Pei Tty-Chin Eei Hui MALAYSIA
2. Du Jing-Yu Yang CHINA
3. Lilyana Natsir-Vita Marissa INDONESIA
4. Zhao Yunlei-Cheng Shu CHINA
5. Lena Frier Kristiansen-Kamilla Rytter Juhl DENMARK
6. Ha Jung Eun-Kim Kin Jung KOREA
7. Maeda Miyuki-Suetsuna Satoko JAPAN
8. Lee Kyung Won-Lee Hyo Jung KOREA

Mixed doubles:

1. Nova Widianto-Lilyana Natsir INDONESIA
2. He Hanbin-Yu Yang CHINA
3. Thomas Laybourn-Kamilla Rytter Juhl DENMARK
4. Lee Yong Dae-Lee Hyo Jung KOREA
5. Anthony Clark-Donna Kellogg ENGLAND
6. Xie Zhongbo-Zhang Yawen CHINA
7. Robert Blair-Imogen Bankier ENGLAND/SCOTLAND
8. Sudket Prapakamol-Saralee Thoungthongkam THAILAND

[george@chongwei]

not sure whether LHJ and her partner, LKW will come over to play in this ss final..
someone says LKW had retired:rolleyes:

[fastdrop]

vip seasons pass Rm1500[/quote]

Are the tickets available online?:confused:

[george@chongwei]

vip seasons pass Rm1500

Are the tickets available online?:confused:[/QUOTE]
for more information about the tickets, pls view this thread;)
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63474

[maxizfreak]

bout the tickets, you can try this

www.ticketpro.com.my.

cannot wait to meet Lin Dan. kohkohkohkoh.

[lie_101]

http://www.kosmo.com.my/kosmo/pix/2008/1203/Kosmo/Sukan/su_02.2.jpg

[jutawin]

I think LKW/LHJ will participate. LKW should play this ss final before retired..

[ctjcad]

..just for the fun of it, it's time to create polls on who will win in each event??..:confused:

[abedeng]

Let's wait till the qualifiers are confirmed, and have already accepted the offer to compete.

[ctjcad]

...(if this is the correct venue; someone who's local & familiar, michidan?, please confirm) posted earlier in BC & taken courtesy of our jug8man...Someone please PM or wake up that guy, so he can join you guys, too!:):cool:
If not mistaken, it is the same venue of the 2003 Malaysian Open. From the pics, i think you guys can figure out the seating plan (i would guess the red seats, 1st pic, are the VIP seating??). And looks like the hall will provide a cozy atmosphere for the spectators.:cool:

Seating plan:
http://www.ticketpro.com.my/data/editor/Image/Yonex%20Sunrise%20SS%20Seating%20Plan%20-%20Website.jpg
If this is the correct venue, then the white FREE seating area could be a bit troublesome for viewing; as there are columns and structural features in the way (2nd pic). Better to get the other side that's open (1st pic).

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=6960&stc=1&d=1104336369

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=6961&stc=1&d=1104336369

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=6962&stc=1&d=1104336443

[abedeng]

Err, not really Chris. The White Seating Area is still the best, we can roam up to the side of the court we are interested in, so pillars are not much of an issue. Also, on that side we are quite a bit further away from the court, so the baseline should be quite visible.

[pjswift]

Err, not really Chris. The White Seating Area is still the best, we can roam up to the side of the court we are interested in, so pillars are not much of an issue. Also, on that side we are quite a bit further away from the court, so the baseline should be quite visible.
Have you decided how you gonna get your tickets?
Roaming free sounds like a better idea than having to behave prim and proper like a VIP.

[ctjcad]

:)..feel free to roam as you guys like...;):cool:

*Btw, according to the seating layout, there are FREE/"roam as one likes" seatings in the VIP side of the seating area. But it's way at the back..;)

[Han]

http://www.kosmo.com.my/kosmo/pix/2008/1203/Kosmo/Sukan/su_02.2.jpg

Too bad Park Sung Hwan is not in the MS list.

[Yong_Hui]

Too bad Park Sung Hwan is not in the MS list.

ya, that's why he playing on Korea Int. Challenge.....

[indra]

Kota Kinabalu....wow it is a nice place....:)

Is it a round-robbin or knock-out system?

[leonardklh]

It's a round-robin match...


Kota Kinabalu....wow it is a nice place....:)

Is it a round-robbin or knock-out system?

[abedeng]

Yup, something like the old Grand Prix Finals of the 80s ....

2 Groups of 4, and crossover semifinals and finals. That amounts to 60 group matches and 75 matches in total for 4 days.

[CLELY]

Yup, something like the old Grand Prix Finals of the 80s ....

2 Groups of 4, and crossover semifinals and finals. That amounts to 60 group matches and 75 matches in total for 4 days.

Only top-two of each group will play crossover semifinal, wow so tight competition since beginning...

[Han]

Boy, the last time I got so excited on similar event was back in 1998 Grand Prix Final featuring Dong Jiong, Sun Jun, Peter Gade, Yong Hock Kin, Ong Ewe Hock, Hendrawan, ... Lets hope everything goes on smoothly and no one withdraw ... Wow, Lin Dan, Chen Jin, Lee Chong Wei, Peter Gade, Soni Kuncoro, ... Those lucky Malaysians ...

[indra]

Boy, the last time I got so excited on similar event was back in 1998 Grand Prix Final featuring Dong Jiong, Sun Jun, Peter Gade, Yong Hock Kin, Ong Ewe Hock, Hendrawan, ... Lets hope everything goes on smoothly and no one withdraw ... Wow, Lin Dan, Chen Jin, Lee Chong Wei, Peter Gade, Soni Kuncoro, ... Those lucky Malaysians ...

Group A Group B

Lin Dan Lee Chong Wei
Peter Taufik
Chan Chen Jin
Sony Parsson

[indra]

The most interesting one will surely be in the MD ....

[ctjcad]

...Likas Sports Complex Indoor Multipurpose Hall taken courtesy from another website; I guess it was somekind of a pasta party celebrating this yr's Borneo International Marathon??..The center area seems to be quite spacious.
*I don't know if our BCers, going there, will be as funny as the people in the 2nd pic or not???...;)

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r310/ctjcad/Misc/borneointernationalmarathon2008_399.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r310/ctjcad/Misc/borneointernationalmarathon2008_403.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r310/ctjcad/Misc/borneointernationalmarathon2008_398.jpg

[ctjcad]

...by looking at the seating diagram and the pics, they'll put the VIP seats numbered seatings (purple) around the playing courts, on the main floor.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r310/ctjcad/Misc/Yonex20Sunrise20SS20Seating20Plan20.jpg

[abedeng]

Yes, and the so-called VIP seats became the worst place to enjoy a badminton match.

[ctjcad]

...in the 2nd pic, above, one of the ladies is dressed in a catsuit outfit & complete with the pose!!!:eek:...And what do we know, barring any last minute changes, we'll also have the CAT sisters (Louisa & luyi80) going there as well:eek:....*ha...
A premonition??..:p;)

[george@chongwei]

hmm chris, are u trying to temp me or rather all the members in this forum?:p
why not u come over to KK this month and enjoy this SS Finale too??:)

[Han]

According to Sina sports, there's good chance that team China will skip this event along with the 2009 Malaysia and Korea Opens Super Series. All players are asked to attend the Winter training starting from 20th of this month and last about 2 months. Oh man!
If you can read Chinese, here's the link of the report
http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2008-12-03/04324104470.shtml

[indra]

According to Sina sports, there's good chance that team China will skip this event along with the 2009 Malaysia and Korea Opens Super Series. All players are asked to attend the Winter training starting from 20th of this month and last about 2 months. Oh man!
If you can read Chinese, here's the link of the report
http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2008-12-03/04324104470.shtml

a 2-month training??? For what?

Anyway...although they do not participate....no problem...it's good for other players considering the prize amount....

[ctjcad]

According to Sina sports, there's good chance that team China will skip this event along with the 2009 Malaysia and Korea Opens Super Series. All players are asked to attend the Winter training starting from 20th of this month and last about 2 months. Oh man!
If you can read Chinese, here's the link of the report
http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2008-12-03/04324104470.shtml
...that is not so good a news, if it's really true...All the fans waiting for them to come to this 1st ever SS Finale...I understand their upcoming winter camp, but I hope they'll change their mind & at least come to this tourney..:cool:

hmm chris, are u trying to temp me or rather all the members in this forum?:p
why not u come over to KK this month and enjoy this SS Finale too??:)
..yes, of course, just for you...;)..Of course, i'd love to come & join the fun but since i can't, i'm just doing my best to help promote the event...:cool:

[Ajaib]

According to Sina sports, there's good chance that team China will skip this event along with the 2009 Malaysia and Korea Opens Super Series. All players are asked to attend the Winter training starting from 20th of this month and last about 2 months. Oh man!
If you can read Chinese, here's the link of the report
http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2008-12-03/04324104470.shtml

Yes,,, i'm so happy if Chinese player don't come to this SS grand final...
it's enough to see the Quota limitation per country in Olympic Games and World Championship(maybe), also asian games... but BWF shouldn't do that again in SS Grand Final...

i remember in Grand Prix Final 1998 there are so much chinese player on that championship,, and they don't have limitation per country...
maybe because that time China has Madame LU SHENRONG as the BWF president,,,,, but now since China don't hold that position again,,, the rules are not advantages for Chinese team...

PS : in Tenis master Final or WTA Final there is no quota limitation per country,,, that why we can see so much Russian player in WTA FINAL....

Hmmmm... i'm just question that IS it China team strategy to bargain with BWF so there is no Quota limitation for SS Grand Final?????
Hope that it is true...

[chris-ccc]

i remember in Grand Prix Final 1998 there are so much chinese player on that championship,, and they don't have limitation per country...
maybe because that time China has Madame LU SHENRONG as the BWF president,,,,, but now since China don't hold that position again,,, the rules are not advantages for Chinese team...

PS : in Tenis master Final or WTA Final there is no quota limitation per country,,, that why we can see so much Russian player in WTA FINAL....

Hmmmm... i'm just question that IS it China team strategy to bargain with BWF so there is no Quota limitation for SS Grand Final?????
Hope that it is true...



.
IMHO, it's not good for a country to be so dominating and wanting to win all the top 3 positions.

In Swimming, with the USA and Australia being the strongest nations, it has been decided that only 2 participants from each country can enter.

It is always better to find more than ONE country standing on the podium.

:):):)
.

[pjswift]

Group A Group B

Lin Dan Lee Chong Wei
Peter Taufik
Chan Chen Jin
Sony Parsson
CJ's seeded 2nd so he and LCW will head each group.Which means LD and LCW will be in the same group.CYK will be in CJ's group.That's how I read the two per country ruling. They will be placed in separate groups.

[pjswift]

Yes,,, i'm so happy if Chinese player don't come to this SS grand final...
it's enough to see the Quota limitation per country in Olympic Games and World Championship(maybe), also asian games... but BWF shouldn't do that again in SS Grand Final...

i remember in Grand Prix Final 1998 there are so much chinese player on that championship,, and they don't have limitation per country...
maybe because that time China has Madame LU SHENRONG as the BWF president,,,,, but now since China don't hold that position again,,, the rules are not advantages for Chinese team...

PS : in Tenis master Final or WTA Final there is no quota limitation per country,,, that why we can see so much Russian player in WTA FINAL....

Hmmmm... i'm just question that IS it China team strategy to bargain with BWF so there is no Quota limitation for SS Grand Final?????
Hope that it is true...
In tennis, they play as individuals(who happen to be from the same country) and real matches.
In badminton,the players report to their BA (or head coach) not BWF.If there are no two per country rule, LYB may apply his famous strategy and you get unreal matches like what you saw in OG08 SF match between CJ and LD where both got to conserve energy for their medal matches while their opponents, LCW and LHI used up all their energy to win.The result was two fresher CHN MS playing non-CHN MS in subsequent matches.
I wouldn't be surprised if this two per country rule were imposed for OG12.
If CHN decides not to send their qualified players to SSF, it means they are not confident of winning titles when CHN has no opportunity to apply their unique strategy and undue advantage.
I have no problems with more players from the same country if they can play as individuals...
However,note that CHn's not the only country affected by the rule.In the present and future, it's likely to be MAS, INA and DEN...

[george@chongwei]

CJ's seeded 2nd so he and LCW will head each group.Which means LD and LCW will be in the same group.CYK will be in CJ's group.That's how I read the two per country ruling. They will be placed in separate groups.
that will be so interesting..:cool::)
but now, the most importantly, lin dan will not withdrew from this tournament:rolleyes:
if he really withdrew, what a shame..

[CLELY]

...that is not so good a news, if it's really true...All the fans waiting for them to come to this 1st ever SS Finale...I understand their upcoming winter camp, but I hope they'll change their mind & at least come to this tourney..:cool:


Yeah, quite disappointing news for bdm fans. Looks like intensive training is top priority and more important than Masters Finals which provide huge prize-money for China squad.

[pjswift]

Yeah, quite disappointing news for bdm fans. Looks like intensive training is top priority and more important than Masters Finals which provide huge prize-money for China squad.
It's just an excuse.
The conditions don't favour CHN:
1. No home advantage
2. Hot, humid courts
3. Cannot use LYB strategy

[ants]

a 2-month training??? For what?

Anyway...although they do not participate....no problem...it's good for other players considering the prize amount....

For what? That is what they have been doing and see the results that they are producing... the camp consist not only Physical preparation.. its tough and the same time fun as well. Plus also alot of "cleansing process".

[OneToughBirdie]

Incredible, how can LD and CJ not playing in SSF be good for baddy...that I could not understand. As fans who watch live or on video dl, we want to see the best players in action and hope for an awesome performance and may the best player win.
One thing is to be partisan and hero worship (you can read posts of people defending their hero like hitting a raw nerve), and wanting your player to win, but to win w/o the best 2 players participating bring a hollow victory.
Sure, result fixing is bad for baddy and cheat the home fans who actually pay to watch (worst for out of country fans who take time off to fly in to watch, easy for those so called fans who support this action but never get off their butts to fly in to watch a fixed game)...having said that LYB position is to win and win that is all that matters cos' LYB job is to deliver victory for CHN (screw BWF, the fans and the game), and given the same cards he wielded, I am sure other coaches would do the same thing, except maybe for DEN.
As for LD or CJ concern of losing with no LYB to fix the game, well, seeing the recent HKO and CO, LD was at his best ever, lean, very fast, very sharp and I can't see anyone beating him. I bet my card on him to win SSF. The only player that can beat him is CJ and if playing in final, with both players free to play their best (like the recent HKO final), CJ can beat LD, and not that CJ is better, but CJ benefit from the privilede of practising with LD and knowing his game.

[Han]

Everybody please calm down, China has yet releasing any formal announcement about not participating on this Super Series Final and since the training starts on 20th and the SS Final is from 18th-21st, there's good chance those qualified Chinese players are allowed to participate(cross our fingers).
I read across another report that the first 2 SS will certainly be skipped, that's Malaysia and Korea Opens.
Once again, lets hope for the best. SS Final will not be the same without the Chinese, like it or not!

[Han]

For what? That is what they have been doing and see the results that they are producing... the camp consist not only Physical preparation.. its tough and the same time fun as well. Plus also alot of "cleansing process".

I agree, their methods have been working so far so why not continue the same tradition.

[pjswift]

Exactly.
You see how CHN XD ZYW/XZB demolished hot KOR XD LHJ/LYD in HKO and one can imagine how meticulous the homework was.That win was the result of immaculate match preparations and I'm delighted for CHn esp. ZYW.No non-badminton tactics, just pure,flawless,well thought out badminton.It's great to see her radiance again.To think she was thinking of resigning...
That's why it's important for CHN to show up in SSF and show it can sweep...in unfavourable atmosphere.

[dassad]

agree to all ..

what a cost of this as if called "FINAL MASTER" competiton with no 1st and 2nd players, as well as witn no current Olympic champion?

This system of 8 obligatory series seem as stupid as current ranking system.. all is working against logic of the things..

the question is why for example LD so tried to win more and to join 8 best players, if he certainly knew this system requirement?..

[chris-ccc]

what a cost of this as if called "FINAL MASTER" competition with no 1st and 2nd players, as well as with no current Olympic champion?

This system of 8 obligatory series seem as stupid as current ranking system.. all is working against logic of the things..

the question is why for example LD so tried to win more and to join 8 best players, if he certainly knew this system requirement?..



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We should not be thinking that the Super Series Finals is replacing the World Championships. Or, the World Championships replacing the Olympic Games events. They are all different events.

We cannot say that the SS is stupid and/or is working against the logic of things.
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[dassad]

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We should not be thinking that the Super Series Finals is replacing the World Championships. Or, the World Championships replacing the Olympic Games events. They are all different events.

We cannot say that the SS is stupid and/or is working against the logic of things.
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ok it seems you are more knowing about SSF and probably other badminton series. So please explain as it works from inside, what is behind these rules.
Why 8 events exactly and what a result SSF wants to reach.
I think (just simple logically, without knowing exact local things) the 8 events rule is to avoid casual "winners", some people who just won here and there and suddenly joins the final masters.. So to avoid these ones, and to collect the STRONGEST ones who really play stronger than others during all the year.

Who is the strongest now?:rolleyes:
Its all my position.

PS any way the Olympic year is ANOTHER year in all kind of sport, and sportsmen activity is much lower, its known. It would be clever to take into account for every federation and so.

[chris-ccc]

...... So please explain as it works from inside, what is behind these rules.
Why 8 events exactly......



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dassad ... We think you meant "Why 8 entries/participants per event (MS/WS/MD/WD/XD)?".

We could try to summarise here for you the SSF rules:
(1) Annually, there shall be a 'Top Prize Money' tournament known as the SSF
(2) The SSF is for players who have gained the Top 8 SS Ranking Points for the year
(3) The SS Ranking Points can be only be gained from the 12 SS tournaments played in a year
(4) To participate in any of the 12 SS tournaments, players must have Top World Ranking Points
(5) All expenses, which include travel, accommodation, meals, etc... are paid for in the SSF, but not the 12 SS tournaments, nor the other many WR tournaments.

Perhaps, BCers can add in points that I have missed or have said incorrectly.

The key point in the SSF: The World Ranking Points gained in other tournaments cannot be added to a player's SS Ranking Points.

:):):)
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[fd16n]

Why 8 events exactly and what a result SSF wants to reach.
I think (just simple logically, without knowing exact local things) the 8 events rule is to avoid casual "winners", some people who just won here and there and suddenly joins the final masters.. So to avoid these ones, and to collect the STRONGEST ones who really play stronger than others during all the year.

dassad, i'm sure that you have not read this thread wholly and carefully. there is no such thing of 8 obligatory series event rules as is pointed earlier by Krisna in some post earlier in this thread post #91

[ctjcad]

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This system of 8 obligatory series seem as stupid as current ranking system.. all is working against logic of the things..
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dassad, i'm sure that you have not read this thread wholly and carefully. there is no such thing of 8 obligatory series event rules as is pointed earlier by Krisna in some post earlier in this thread post #91
..there is no BWF rule which requires a player/pair to participate in 8 obligatory SS events to qualify for this SS Finale.:) The report (newspaper) misinformed us. Which Krisna eventually amended/made clear.:cool:

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(1) Annually, there shall be a 'Top Prize Money' tournament known as the SSF
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(4) To participate in any of the 12 SS tournaments, players must have Top World Ranking Points
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1st part-it should've happened but never happened in the 1st yr, last yr...
2nd part-i'm not quite sure what does it mean by "Top World Ranking Points"? Top 10? Top 20?...
the rest, as far as i can see, are okay..:)

[chris-ccc]

1st part-it should've happened but never happened in the 1st yr, last yr...
2nd part-i'm not quite sure what does it mean by "Top World Ranking Points"? Top 10? Top 20?...
the rest, as far as i can see, are okay..:)



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:D:D:D ctjcad ... Surprised my your questions/comments too. Perhaps, the competition is new.

1st part .... Because no city wanted and/or could afford to hold the 2007 SSF
2nd part ... The World Top 32 ranked players interested in participating: click here (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/super.html)

:):):)
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[ctjcad]

..yes, that's the reason for the first part. "There shall be..." but in reality never followed through/happened...;)
..much clearer for the 2nd part.
:cool:

[chris-ccc]

..yes, that's the reason for the first part. "There shall be..." but in reality never followed through/happened...;)



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The words "There shall be..." are my words. Perhaps they are a bit too strong. :o:o:o

I am worried that some near future SSFs could be cancelled as well. This is because the money (US$500,000.00) that WBF has raised, are to be offered to players as prizes only. I thought that some of the money could be used to pay for some of the players' expenses (travel, accommodation, meals, etc...), because it goes to the players anyway. When the host city is asked to pay for these expenses, it can be quite expensive to stage the SSF. As I have mentioned before, Melbourne estimated it to be US$250,000.00 in 2008. I don't know what Doha had estimated it to be in 2007, or KK in 2008.

However, in cities of countries where Badminton is more popular, they may have less risk not to recoup their expenses. They might even make some profit by hosting it. :):):)

Yes, previous posts have touched on this issue before... saying that the US$500,000.00, when divided by the number of players' prizes is peanuts. This is true when we are to compare Badminton with other sports like Tennis, Golf, Soccer, etc...

Currently, IF we are to be faced with either 'More Prize Money but with no SSF' or 'Less Prize Money but with SSF', I think the latter is more realistic.

I also hope that in Badminton Central, more posts can come from our Badminton promoters/organisers, informing us of some of the difficulties facing them.

:):):)
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