I was looking at the Denmark draw and saw that Fu and Cai are not playing with each other.

Cai Yun is playing Chen Xu and Fu Haifeng is playing with Ye Shen.

Does anyone know the reason behind this? Is it a temporary thing or are they splitting up for good?

:O no wayyyyy...i'm gonna miss them if they split up for good :(

Check out this link

http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=24828&draw=5

damn.. but could it be possible there trying new partners?

Possible, by why would want to split up your highest achieving Men's Doubles Pair?

Possible, by why would want to split up your highest achieving Men's Doubles Pair?

It's a good long time strategy by China to develop their Mens Doubles program. While China may not expect their MD to become as dominant as their WS/WD program, they would like more than one good pair. Splitting up Fu and Cai allow these two to be mentors to younger players. Besides, if Fu and Cai always practice as a pair, there really aren't any Chinese opponents. This way, Fu and Cai will play against each other and improve 2 pairs of MD.

It's a good long time strategy by China to develop their Mens Doubles program. While China may not expect their MD to become as dominant as their WS/WD program, they would like more than one good pair. Splitting up Fu and Cai allow these two to be mentors to younger players. Besides, if Fu and Cai always practice as a pair, there really aren't any Chinese opponents. This way, Fu and Cai will play against each other and improve 2 pairs of MD.yep, lyb is already thinking about 2012.

I was looking at the Denmark draw and saw that Fu and Cai are not playing with each other.

Cai Yun is playing Chen Xu and Fu Haifeng is playing with Ye Shen.

Does anyone know the reason behind this? Is it a temporary thing or are they splitting up for good?
Hi..I have not seen you on line.....how is LA?:D
Talked to one of chinese coach during Macau Open......this is not permanet yet...China badminton is tyring to get better pair...watch out for a guy named Liao Xiao Lung...
Like Chen xu with panpan or Zhao Yun Lei...
also originally they pair Zheng Bo/Zhang Ya wen now Zheng Bo with Ma Jin...

Hi..I have not seen you on line.....how is LA?:D
Talked to one of chinese coach during Macau Open......this is not permanet yet...China badminton is tyring to get better pair...watch out for a guy named Liao Xiao Lung...
Like Chen xu with panpan or Zhao Yun Lei...
also originally they pair Zheng Bo/Zhang Ya wen now Zheng Bo with Ma Jin...

Hey, how are you doing? I was actually going to sent you a message asking about it.

I noticed that Chen Xu's game has improve a lot since the first time I saw him in HK open in 2006. I'll keep an eye open for those players that you've mention.

Keep an eye on this two CHina Future Pair...

It's a good long time strategy by China to develop their Mens Doubles program. While China may not expect their MD to become as dominant as their WS/WD program, they would like more than one good pair. Splitting up Fu and Cai allow these two to be mentors to younger players. Besides, if Fu and Cai always practice as a pair, there really aren't any Chinese opponents. This way, Fu and Cai will play against each other and improve 2 pairs of MD.

Your answer is absolutely spot on, hhwoot :)

The irony, however, is that this form of 'mentoring' has produced few great combinations.

Your answer is absolutely spot on, hhwoot :)

The irony, however, is that this form of 'mentoring' has produced few great combinations.i'm surprised that u didnt see through into lyb's game plan;):p No, huangk didn't whispered this to me:p

i'm surprised that u didnt see through into lyb's game plan;):p No, huangk didn't whispered this to me:p
No need..since you said that you knew alot already....:p:D...

No need..since you said that you knew alot already....:p:D...no, u said that:p

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Cai Yun is playing Chen Xu and Fu Haifeng is playing with Ye Shen.
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I'm curious as to what kind of players Chen Xu and Ye Shen are :)
Since Cai Yun was the strategic half and Fu Haifeng was the tactical half, their new partners will now have to assume the missing roles.

I'm curious as to what kind of players Chen Xu and Ye Shen are :)
Since Cai Yun was the strategic half and Fu Haifeng was the tactical half, their new partners will now have to assume the missing roles.
Chen Xu is attacker player and Shen Ye is a front/set up player...
During Macau Open...Hehanbin/Shen Ye vs Chinese Taipei...in that match..HHB covered the court all over just like he is playing XD...Shen Ye was confused and became a target...I think Shen Ye defend is quite weak..

Actually I am more interested in He Han Bin/Guo Xen Dong...hopefully i see all of them in Paris Open....

[...]I think Shen Ye defend is quite weak..

If that's so, it's quite strange to put him in with Fu Haifeng :eek:
Haifeng is a great smasher alright but he's the weak link when defending!

Actually I am more interested in He Han Bin/Guo Xen Dong...hopefully i see all of them in Paris Open....

Guo Zhendong will be happy to get away from Xie Zhongbo.
It seems he gets scolded a lot when partnering Zhongbo :D

Guo Zhendong will be happy to get away from Xie Zhongbo.
It seems he gets scolded a lot when partnering Zhongbo :D
Thats true...I think Zhong Bo is the boss
I saw the entry list for China Open 2 ( provided by Leonard)

Guo Xen Dong/Chen Xu:eek:
Fu Hai Feng/Cai Yun
He Hanbin/Su Jun Jie
Liu Xiao Lung/Chai Biao ( future pair..both tall but still raw..both have great smash)
Shen Ye/Li Tian
Xie Zhong Bo/Zheng Bo:eek:

Guo Zhendong/Xu Chen (not Chen Xu) have been paired up as early as 2 years ago when Team CHN is trying to find a good 2nd pair for the Olympics, before they settle on Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo.

Actually I am more interested in He Han Bin/Guo Xen Dong...hopefully i see all of them in Paris Open....
..allez-vous en France, Hau-ge??..:confused:

Shen Ye/Li Tian
Xie Zhong Bo/Zheng Bo:eek:
Wow....!!? ZB and XZB?!
And Li Tian?! :eek::eek:

Wow....!!? ZB and XZB?!
And Li Tian?! :eek::eek:
I do not know who Li Tian is..hopefully he will be in HKG Open

..allez-vous en France, Hau-ge??..:confused:
If my meeting in Koln is confirmed then I go...also Euro is a bit weak now....lets see!

I do not know who Li Tian is..hopefully he will be in HKG Open
Isn't he LYB's son ? :eek:

Isn't he LYB's son ? :eek:
LYB's son is Li Gen
LI Tian was last year's asian junior champ with Chai biao.He used to be Ma Jin's partner in in XD

Thats true...I think Zhong Bo is the boss
I saw the entry list for China Open 2 ( provided by Leonard)

Guo Xen Dong/Chen Xu:eek:
Fu Hai Feng/Cai Yun
He Hanbin/Su Jun Jie
Liu Xiao Lung/Chai Biao ( future pair..both tall but still raw..both have great smash)
Shen Ye/Li Tian
Xie Zhong Bo/Zheng Bo:eek:
I can't believe Xie Zhongbo and Zheng Bo are being paired :eek:

Anyway, why on earth is Zheng Bo being returned to MD?

Thats true...I think Zhong Bo is the boss
I saw the entry list for China Open 2 ( provided by Leonard)

Guo Xen Dong/Chen Xu:eek:
Fu Hai Feng/Cai Yun
He Hanbin/Su Jun Jie
Liu Xiao Lung/Chai Biao ( future pair..both tall but still raw..both have great smash)
Shen Ye/Li Tian
Xie Zhong Bo/Zheng Bo:eek:

Guo Xen Dong/Chen Xu was paired together back in 2006. I think they got to the QF or SF of the 2006 HKO and lost Hendra S/Markis K.

I don't see anything wrong with Zheng Bo playing MD because he was once the Junior MD Champion with Sang Yang. But both him and Xie are dominant back players so I'm interested who's going to get killed.

China is really looking for the next MD's pair. I guess they finally notice that Fu/Cai is not going to be in there for long. Fu maybe, but Cai is getting to that age.

I can't believe Xie Zhongbo and Zheng Bo are being paired :eek:

Anyway, why on earth is Zheng Bo being returned to MD?

Also seems a strange combination to me - neither are much good at the net

Maybe they just give up on ZB and ran out of combinations.

I can't believe Xie Zhongbo and Zheng Bo are being paired :eek:

Anyway, why on earth is Zheng Bo being returned to MD?
Also seems a strange combination to me - neither are much good at the net

Maybe they just give up on ZB and ran out of combinations.
..this is a pairing of the "Unwanted Men's Doubles players"...or perhaps, this partnership will force either or both players to give up their rear/back court game and improve on their net/front court game..:confused::cool:

Btw, should this thread be in the Professional Players' sub-forum/section??..

I think the Chinese badminton team has a very wrong strategy for the Chinese MD players. As we all know, Chinese MD has not been very strong at all compared with the other MD powerhouses such as Indonesia, Korean, Malaysia and even Denmark. But they are being sent to the toughest tournaments such as super series and grand prix gold directly. look at other nations being mentioned here, their MD players always start their international competitions from the lower-level tournaments first. They usually play at that level for 1-2 years at least to gain the experience and confidence befor beng sent to tougher tournaments. In contrast, The poor Chinese MD players competes against the best players in the world at the very beginning and lose most of the time. I think they will not just lose the game but also the confidence in themselves.

The other thing is that most of them do not get many chances to play internationally at all. Maybe only 2-3 tournaments a year. A very promising MD player named Zhang Wei quits the Chinese national team this year just because of little chance to play internationally, only training, training all year long...

And they change partner so quickly. I know they are trying to find good partnerships. but for each partnership, you have to give it some reasonable time to really tell if they work or not, not just a couple of tournaments.

I think all these needs to be changed so china can produce better MD teams.

I think the Chinese badminton team has a very wrong strategy for the Chinese MD players. As we all know, Chinese MD has not been very strong at all compared with the other MD powerhouses such as Indonesia, Korean, Malaysia and even Denmark. But they are being sent to the toughest tournaments such as super series and grand prix gold directly. look at other nations being mentioned here, their MD players always start their international competitions from the lower-level tournaments first. They usually play at that level for 1-2 years at least to gain the experience and confidence befor beng sent to tougher tournaments. In contrast, The poor Chinese MD players competes against the best players in the world at the very beginning and lose most of the time. I think they will not just lose the game but also the confidence in themselves.

The other thing is that most of them do not get many chances to play internationally at all. Maybe only 2-3 tournaments a year. A very promising MD player named Zhang Wei quits the Chinese national team this year just because of little chance to play internationally, only training, training all year long...

And they change partner so quickly. I know they are trying to find good partnerships. but for each partnership, you have to give it some reasonable time to really tell if they work or not, not just a couple of tournaments.

I think all these needs to be changed so china can produce better MD teams.

Like the malaysian pair of kien keat koo and boon heong tan

I can't believe Xie Zhongbo and Zheng Bo are being paired :eek:

Anyway, why on earth is Zheng Bo being returned to MD?gao ling dont want him anymore:p

hmm what new names we can have here:

Bobo

ZZ Bo

bozboz

:D

If that's so, it's quite strange to put him in with Fu Haifeng :eek:
Haifeng is a great smasher alright but he's the weak link when defending!
:crying::crying::crying:
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Thats true...I think Zhong Bo is the boss
I saw the entry list for China Open 2 ( provided by Leonard)

Guo Xen Dong/Chen Xu:eek:
Fu Hai Feng/Cai Yun
He Hanbin/Su Jun Jie
Liu Xiao Lung/Chai Biao ( future pair..both tall but still raw..both have great smash)
Shen Ye/Li Tian
Xie Zhong Bo/Zheng Bo:eek:

i believe the strategy is to produce a better MD team, but also to teach Cai Yun and Fu Hai Feng something too...maybe Fu needs to pick up the slack moreso in defending, nowthat he's with a weaker partner in defence...and Cai Yun will need to set up better for Xu Chen because he doesn't have quite the power Fu Hai Feng does...so when they come back together as a pair, Cai/Fu will be quite formidable...:D;):p just my take...He Han Bin/Sun Jun Jie seem to have some chemistry for a 3rd string pair...maybe 2nd string potential...but Xie Zhong Bo/Zheng Bo's gunna be monster :eek::eek::eek: look for some powerful attacks and them to bulldoze over some defences ;):p:D however, the weak point would be...who's in charge? since both are used to the XD roles...IMO Zheng Bo/Xie Zhong Bo should both continue to play doubles as it'll help them develop stronger tactical and defensive roles in XD, same as Zhang Ya Wen etc...Gao Ling always played WD, so why not Zheng Bo?:p:D

gao ling dont want him anymore:p I thought gao ling quit/retire in badminton?!?!?!?!?!?:confused:

huhuhhuuuuuuuu why are they spiltting up?
:crying::crying:

huhuhhuuuuuuuu why are they spiltting up?
:crying::crying:
don't worry, I see from the China Open website, according to the participant lists, CY is parted with FHF again :D

who are stronger? fu haifeng/shen ye or cai yun/xu chen??

who are stronger? fu haifeng/shen ye or cai yun/xu chen??
cai yun and xu chen imo.

cai yun and xu chen imo.

Wow they just beat KKK/TBH. But the real test if up tomorrow against MK/HS.

And the split of cai yun & fhf make a progress. Both of them with new partner beat rian/yoke and kkk/tbh in denmark open quarterfinal..
Let see how cai yun/xu chen and fhf/shen ye result in semifinal today. They will meet 1st & 2nd seed, CY/XuChen vs Kido/Hendra and FHF/ShenYe vs Dane pair..

Wow they just beat KKK/TBH. But the real test if up tomorrow against MK/HS.
i think in lyb's eyes, the new combo had already surpassed expectation. Playing against mk/hs would be the ultimate test.

who are stronger? fu haifeng/shen ye or cai yun/xu chen??doesn't matter, as long as they are the finalists:p:p:p

so far so good for both pair...........

doesn't matter, as long as they are the finalists:p:p:p
what if none of the 2 pairs are not finalist?

what if none of the 2 pairs are not finalist?
i've said it already, the new fu and cai combo exceeded expectation already, anything beyond this stage is icing on the cake.

i fully expect Fu/Cai to be much much better when they pair up again...then Xu Chen/Shen Ye can pair up to be a pretty good pair together from what they learned from Cai/Fu respectively...

i've said it already, the new fu and cai combo exceeded expectation already, anything beyond this stage is icing on the cake.
lets see how FHF/SY can fare up agaisnt kido/setiawan later today in the final..

lets see how FHF/SY can fare up agaisnt kido/setiawan later today in the final..ie, u have no opinion but make a post anyway:p

My observations on MD SF matches @ Denmark SS 2008:

Cai Yun/Xu Chen - This is the first time I felt sympathy with CY (even Gillian Clark said so) as they were service faulted (even service receiving faulted) many times and the line judging seemed against them. That would have affected them psycologically. With CY/XC leading 19-14 in the 1st game, a rally was called "unsighted" when the replay showed the shuttle clearly landed on the baseline. The Chinese pair could have won the match if it was played in a neutral place. XC is still not so confident @ the net.

Fu Haifeng/Shen Ye - Like XC, SY doesn't know what to do at the net at times and FHY has to cover him all over the court. They won the matches partly because JR made too many unforced errors at crucial points.

IMO CY/XC is slightly stronger than FHF/SY. After all, FHF/CY is still a much better combo.

My observations on MD SF matches @ Denmark SS 2008:

Cai Yun/Xu Chen - This is the first time I felt sympathy with CY (even Gillian Clark said so) as they were service faulted (even service receiving faulted) many times and the line judging seemed against them. That would have affected them psycologically. With CY/XC leading 19-14 in the 1st game, a rally was called "unsighted" when the replay showed the shuttle clearly landed on the baseline. The Chinese pair could have won the match if it was played in a neutral place. XC is still not so confident @ the net.

Fu Haifeng/Shen Ye - Like XC, SY doesn't know what to do at the net at times and FHY has to cover him all over the court. They won the matches partly because JR made too many unforced errors at crucial points.

IMO CY/XC is slightly stronger than FHF/SY. After all, FHF/CY is still a much better combo.
Thanks. This is interesting feedback.Your observations do not tally with the stats, esp . the net scores.So actually instead of net winners by CHN, it meant unforced net errors by DEN.How did CHN trick DEN into making too many unforced net errors? Happened with Boe/Moe too.
ok, the match stats is rubbish.

ie, u have no opinion but make a post anyway:p
wd final will be shown live on rtm:crying::crying::crying:

ie, u have no opinion but make a post anyway:p
same with you too, sometimes:D

Good to see new pairs coming up to challenge the old pairs

Interestingly, they will face each other for a place in the semi-final.

and cai yun/xu chen won that match.!

I think the split of Fu-Cai is quite good results... I thought that they will lose the games in the early matches, but they could reach so far for new pairs.... Isn't its quite nice results?! Last Denmark Open, Fu's side could enter the final, now the turn for Cai's side to enter final @ French Open....

Who knows,LYB may decide to let the scratch pairs run its honeymoon course into 2009? In any case,there appears to be a shift in tactics;it's netplay driven and that has been successful against DEN but not mk/hs.

Proof of the pudding will be one year later.

In Doubles often new partnerships have good successes because they are different to what their oppoenent expects. Once opponents have studied them more and seen how they can be beaten then this is the test of how good they are.

I look forward to revisting this thread then!

Proof of the pudding will be one year later.

In Doubles often new partnerships have good successes because they are different to what their oppoenent expects. Once opponents have studied them more and seen how they can be beaten then this is the test of how good they are.

I look forward to revisting this thread then!
according to INA coaches, FHF/Shen Ye is more dangerous than CY/XC...

according to INA coaches, FHF/Shen Ye is more dangerous than CY/XC...
Agree. Shen Ye's very promising.

Agree. Shen Ye's very promising.
I saw his play in Macau and Paris...he and HHB is not a good pair..for some reason, SY is the weakest link...in FHF/SY, I saw his defence is really good..Shen Ye is a very polite player...

I saw his play in Macau and Paris...he and HHB is not a good pair..for some reason, SY is the weakest link...in FHF/SY, I saw his defence is really good..Shen Ye is a very polite player...
Chemistry is always important.Maybe FHF's experience helped SY play better.HHB may be ok for XD but I don't think he's MD material.I hope CHN gives SY more opportunities. Should be interesting to see how he develops.But I'm no expert;just body language observations.

HHB may be a good md player in the future..
the problem for team china now is, they dunno which player is what it takes to pair up with HHB in md..