WS
Salakjit Ponsana - Jie Yao : 21-7 21-18

XD
Yeon Seong Yoo/Min Jung Kim - Anthony Clark/Donna Kellogg [6] : 24-22 21-11
Bo Zheng/Jin Ma - Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam [4] : 21-11 21-11

MS
Kai Wen - Marc Zwiebler : 21-15 14-21 21-12
Ji Hoon Hong - Eric Pang : 21-14 21-12

UNCLE RObin...where is wee kiong/razif lost???

I think Robertson/Wallwork losing should also be considered an upset.

XD
Peng Soon Chan/Liu Ying Goh - Nathan Robertson/Jenny Wallwork : 25-23 11-21 21-17

MD
Zhiben Chen/Tao Jiaming - Mohd Razif Abdul Latif/Wee Kiong Tan : 21-17 21-14

WD
Siyun Wang/Jinkang Zhang - Nicole Grether/Charmaine Reid [7] : 21-8 21-19

WS
Chen Wang - Hongyan Pi [6] : 17-21 21-13 21-12

can Anyone Tell Me Where Is Gao Ling?how Come She Is Not Playing Anymore?kindly Update Me Please.

can Anyone Tell Me Where Is Gao Ling?how Come She Is Not Playing Anymore?kindly Update Me Please.
she has already retired :)

can Anyone Tell Me Where Is Gao Ling?how Come She Is Not Playing Anymore?kindly Update Me Please.
...by arguably BC's biggest Gao Ling fan (Abby飘);):
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52003&page=8
and here:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61558

WS
Xuerui Li - Lydia Li Ya Cheah : 21-14 21-11
Li Han - Anna Rice : 21-15 21-12

LOL, Robin7 is having the honours of doing CO2's "upsets list" duty.
:D:D:p, surely will be kept busy, lots of upsets on 1st day itself, hehe.

And...interestingly, China young MS- Zhou Wenlong & Du Pengyu share the same ranking at 212.

MS
Weijie GONG - Yi LU : 22-20 21-15

WS
Nicole GRETHER - Charmaine REID : 21-12 21-10

First Round

MS
Kai Wen - Marc Zwiebler : 21-15 14-21 21-12
Ji Hoon Hong - Eric Pang : 21-14 21-12
Weijie GONG - Yi LU : 22-20 21-15

WS
Salakjit Ponsana - Jie Yao : 21-7 21-18
Chen Wang - Hongyan Pi [6] : 17-21 21-13 21-12
Xuerui Li - Lydia Li Ya Cheah : 21-14 21-11
Li Han - Anna Rice : 21-15 21-12
Nicole GRETHER - Charmaine REID : 21-12 21-10

MD
Zhiben Chen/Tao Jiaming - Mohd Razif Abdul Latif/Wee Kiong Tan : 21-17 21-14

WD
Siyun Wang/Jinkang Zhang - Nicole Grether/Charmaine Reid [7] : 21-8 21-19

XD
Yeon Seong Yoo/Min Jung Kim - Anthony Clark/Donna Kellogg [6] : 24-22 21-11
Bo Zheng/Jin Ma - Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam [4] : 21-11 21-11
Peng Soon Chan/Liu Ying Goh - Nathan Robertson/Jenny Wallwork : 25-23 11-21 21-17

For example GWJ bt LY, WC bt PHY. :cool:

First Round

MS
Kai Wen - Marc Zwiebler : 21-15 14-21 21-12
Ji Hoon Hong - Eric Pang : 21-14 21-12
Weijie GONG - Yi LU : 22-20 21-15

WS
Salakjit Ponsana - Jie Yao : 21-7 21-18
Chen Wang - Hongyan Pi [6] : 17-21 21-13 21-12
Xuerui Li - Lydia Li Ya Cheah : 21-14 21-11
Li Han - Anna Rice : 21-15 21-12
Nicole GRETHER - Charmaine REID : 21-12 21-10

MD
Zhiben Chen/Tao Jiaming - Mohd Razif Abdul Latif/Wee Kiong Tan : 21-17 21-14

WD
Siyun Wang/Jinkang Zhang - Nicole Grether/Charmaine Reid [7] : 21-8 21-19

XD
Yeon Seong Yoo/Min Jung Kim - Anthony Clark/Donna Kellogg [6] : 24-22 21-11
Bo Zheng/Jin Ma - Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam [4] : 21-11 21-11
Peng Soon Chan/Liu Ying Goh - Nathan Robertson/Jenny Wallwork : 25-23 11-21 21-17

For example GWJ bt LY, WC bt PHY. :cool:

According to WR it is, as you know, the list follows WR, as everyone will have different opinions as to whether it's upset or not according to form, skills, etc,etc : ;);)

Weijie GONG (WR# 69) - Yi LU (WR#34) : 22-20 21-15
There's another CHina MS player by the name of Li Yu. WR# 124 :)


Chen Wang - Hongyan Pi [6] : 17-21 21-13 21-12 is
WR# 8 beat WR# 6, minor upset

And there's also one that's not in the list = Xu Chen/Zhao YUnlei beating Tan Wee Kiong/Woon Khe Wei as Xu Chen/ZHao for some weird reason are not in the BWF list, only Xu Chen/Zhao Ting Ting, XU Chen/Pan Pan are.

WS
Lin Wang - Huaiwen Xu [8] : 21-17 21-15 (Well, as far as seedings are concerned, it is!)

MS
Choong Hann Wong - Peter Hoeg Gade [5] : 17-21 21-18 21-16 (What a comeback in 2nd & 3rd games!)
Kai Wen - Joachim Persson [6] : 21-10 21-17

WD
Jing Xie/Qianxin Zhong -Duang Anong Aroonkesorn/Kunchala Voravichitchaikul [6] : 16-21 21-11 21-17

According to WR it is, as you know, the list follows WR, as everyone will have different opinions as to whether it's upset or not according to form, skills, etc,etc : ;);)

Weijie GONG (WR# 69) - Yi LU (WR#34) : 22-20 21-15
There's another CHina MS player by the name of Li Yu. WR# 124 :)


Chen Wang - Hongyan Pi [6] : 17-21 21-13 21-12 is
WR# 8 beat WR# 6, minor upset

And there's also one that's not in the list = Xu Chen/Zhao YUnlei beating Tan Wee Kiong/Woon Khe Wei as Xu Chen/ZHao for some weird reason are not in the BWF list, only Xu Chen/Zhao Ting Ting, XU Chen/Pan Pan are.


pity kak...always need to stand out to make it clear...:(

It is pretty hard to quantify on what accurately constitutes an upset. Ranking is one way to quantify (i.e. lower-rank beat higher-ranked = upset). But it's not terribly accurate at times. And it's not easy to give a good indicative ranking to scratch pairs.

So, it turns out that for most of us, gut-feeling is the way to go. Even recent results would not help. Example: Lin Dan was amazing in recent weeks. Suddenly, on match day, he got he flu, and lost to Lee Chong Wei. Upset? I don't think so, unless it's the stomach upset variety.

Sometimes, it's pretty easy to spot a non-upset. Just look at the PAW game. Wang Lin [11] v Xu Huaiwen [9], and almost to the last PAWer, chooses Wang Lin. Upset ranking-wise yes, but upset in the minds of the people, no.

I'm very upset.. I'm coming last in the PAW draw !! :(

Well well.. Well done to Wong Choong Hann for beating Peter Gade.

another three upset
WCH beat Peter Gade 17-21 21-18 21-16
Du Peng Yu beat Taufik Hidayat 22-20 21-11
Wen Kai beat Joachim Persson 21-10 21-17
although Wang Lin beat Xu Huai Wen
not consider upset due to Wang Lin capability...

another three upset
WCH beat Peter Gade 17-21 21-18 21-16
Du Peng Yu beat Taufik Hidayat 22-20 21-11
Wen Kai beat Joachim Persson 21-10 21-17
although Wang Lin beat Xu Huai Wen
not consider upset due to Wang Lin capability...
3 of your upsets have already been included in #18.

Thanks anyway.

MS
Pengyu Du - Taufik Hidayat [7] : 22-20 21-11

WS
Jingjing Zhu - Mew Choo Wong [7] : 21-11 21-14
Julia Pei Xian Wong - Tine Rasmussen [3] : 22-20 10-21 21-10

XD
Ye Shen/Qing Tian - Songphon Anugritayawon/Kunchala Voravichitchaikul [8] : 21-16 13-21 21-13
Chen Xu/Yunlei Zhao - Zhongbo Xie/Yawen Zhang [2] : 23-21 21-16

It is pretty hard to quantify on what accurately constitutes an upset. Ranking is one way to quantify (i.e. lower-rank beat higher-ranked = upset). But it's not terribly accurate at times. And it's not easy to give a good indicative ranking to scratch pairs.

So, it turns out that for most of us, gut-feeling is the way to go. Even recent results would not help. Example: Lin Dan was amazing in recent weeks. Suddenly, on match day, he got he flu, and lost to Lee Chong Wei. Upset? I don't think so, unless it's the stomach upset variety.

Sometimes, it's pretty easy to spot a non-upset. Just look at the PAW game. Wang Lin [11] v Xu Huaiwen [9], and almost to the last PAWer, chooses Wang Lin. Upset ranking-wise yes, but upset in the minds of the people, no.

Errr, LCW is WR#1 now, so if LD lose to LCW is not upset, technically :p:p.

Following the WR avoids arguements of , "THis is not upset, the player is in form" vs " This is upset, Player A is good, H2H show he win vs Player B most times".
Take a look at the OG upset thread, one or two thought Maria K beating higher ranking pair is not upset, though many BCer consider it an upset.

ANd of course, many will have different gut feelings over a match depending on who they support/like.

Second Round (9)

WS (3)
Lin Wang - Huaiwen Xu [8] : 21-17 21-15 (Well, as far as seedings are concerned, it is!)
Jingjing Zhu - Mew Choo Wong [7] : 21-11 21-14
Julia Pei Xian Wong - Tine Rasmussen [3] : 22-20 10-21 21-10 :eek:

MS (3)
Choong Hann Wong - Peter Hoeg Gade [5] : 17-21 21-18 21-16 (What a comeback in 2nd & 3rd games!)
Kai Wen - Joachim Persson [6] : 21-10 21-17 :eek:
Pengyu Du - Taufik Hidayat [7] : 22-20 21-11 :eek:

WD (1)
Jing Xie/Qianxin Zhong -Duang Anong Aroonkesorn/Kunchala Voravichitchaikul [6] : 16-21 21-11 21-17

XD (2)
Ye Shen/Qing Tian - Songphon Anugritayawon/Kunchala Voravichitchaikul [8] : 21-16 13-21 21-13
Chen Xu/Yunlei Zhao - Zhongbo Xie/Yawen Zhang [2] : 23-21 21-16

those upsets with :eek: smilies on it offers a lot of paw points.:rolleyes::D

In fact, LD vs LCW, whoever wins is normal, not an upset.

I would rather use "upset" in a more limited sense. If we have to use WR as a basis, then there should be some distance between the two players. For example, WR20 bt WR5, that's an upset, while it's not really convincing to say WR7 bt WR5 is an upset.

Errr, LCW is WR#1 now, so if LD lose to LCW is not upset, technically :p:p.

Following the WR avoids arguements of , "THis is not upset, the player is in form" vs " This is upset, Player A is good, H2H show he win vs Player B most times".
Take a look at the OG upset thread, one or two thought Maria K beating higher ranking pair is not upset, though many BCer consider it an upset.

ANd of course, many will have different gut feelings over a match depending on who they support/like.

ok...so...u can set some rules on upset table...then u can start to do it...^^...

In fact, LD vs LCW, whoever wins is normal, not an upset.

I would rather use "upset" in a more limited sense. If we have to use WR as a basis, then there should be some distance between the two players. For example, WR20 bt WR5, that's an upset, while it's not really convincing to say WR7 bt WR5 is an upset.

Recent month's SS : There was a member that did not agree WR# 75 beating WR#60 was an upset.... it goes on. Some did not consider CHina stratch pairs, being new pairing, beating say WR#50, to be an upset.

So, there'll be bound to be someone will disagree with you & say WR#20 beating WR#5 is not upset, due to such & such reason.

If you've noticed, at times, only WR# difference above 5 is considered.
I tried that during Denmark & France SS, didnt quite work.

Among the top ten, WR#10 beating say WR#7 was also considered surprise if their H2H is WR#7 always beat WR#10 whenever they meet - so when we dont put it in the list, someone will come out & say "THis should be in"................ it goes on.............hard to please differing opinions ;):D - PG beating CJ in France was a surprise to many, WR#7 beat WR#3

or better still, save energy, dont do a list ;);)........... then someone will ask(happens every time), why we didnt do an upset list........... it goes on........:rolleyes:

hmm...kak...actually...we waste ours time to do the table...search for ranking...why should ours hand works been denied???...everybody have his/her own ruler...no use to argue...we do according standard rules...then we done ours job...correct???

For comparative purposes, a measurable, non-subjective criterion like WR is still better.Otherwise there will be debates about which player is actually superior and it can be so subjective, a listing of upsets will become inconsistent.
The WR criterion is not perfect but is probably the best way to indicate upsets.With this, upsets can be compared across different tournaments based on total number, by event, etc and can be a useful indicator of how competitive tournaments have become etc when doing trend analysis.

All of you tracking upsets, thank you for the dligent, splendid work.You're doing great!

hehe...thanks...^^...this is the neutral comment...^^...

How about just list those (in your personal opinion) which are real upsets? Other people can beg to differ or add their choices. Thus the whole thread becomes a pretty complete upset list.

I have no intention of criticizing.

Recent month's SS : There was a member that did not agree WR# 75 beating WR#60 was an upset.... it goes on. Some did not consider CHina stratch pairs, being new pairing, beating say WR#50, to be an upset.

So, there'll be bound to be someone will disagree with you & say WR#20 beating WR#5 is not upset, due to such & such reason.

If you've noticed, at times, only WR# difference above 5 is considered.
I tried that during Denmark & France SS, didnt quite work.

Among the top ten, WR#10 beating say WR#7 was also considered surprise if their H2H is WR#7 always beat WR#10 whenever they meet - so when we dont put it in the list, someone will come out & say "THis should be in"................ it goes on.............hard to please differing opinions ;):D - PG beating CJ in France was a surprise to many, WR#7 beat WR#3

or better still, save energy, dont do a list ;);)........... then someone will ask(happens every time), why we didnt do an upset list........... it goes on........:rolleyes:

How about just list those (in your personal opinion) which are real upsets? Other people can beg to differ or add their choices. Thus the whole thread becomes a pretty complete upset list.

I have no intention of criticizing.

hmm...ok...lets start next super series...deal???...let us test weather ur suggestion really work...:)...who want to do this upset list next week???;)

Firstly, before you voice out your so-called constructive insights, please appreciate the efforts out in by those come out with the thread of upsets by saying "THANK YOU" first. (pjswift, thank you for appreciating our efforts.)

Secondly, NOBODY here forces you to accept everything listed as upsets.

The general guideline used when listing an upset is based on World Ranking (as suggested, distance of 5 will be used next time)

(1) The most obvious scenario is unseeded beating seeded player/pair
(2) Lower ranked beating higher ranked player/pair
(3) New/scratch beating higher ranked pair

Note: Kindly be considerate by NOT simply come in the thread and start pointing out this and that not upsets. Appreciation is much needed here.

actually,ye333...we do upset list base on wr...is to avoid arguement...and u suggest we to start the war on upset thread???...think again...^^...

Firstly, before you voice out your so-called constructive insights, please appreciate the efforts out in by those come out with the thread of upsets by saying "THANK YOU" first. (pjswift, thank you for appreciating our efforts.)

Secondly, NOBODY here forces you to accept everything listed as upsets.

Note: Kindly be considerate by NOT simply come in the thread and start pointing out this and that not upsets. Appreciation is much needed here.

yes...i totally agree this...we lets others know upset occur by wr...other than tat...is ur own view and opinion....this is the general thread for all that VIEW THIS THREAD...;)

limsy, still awake? I thought 2moro got paper? better rest early...

How about just list those (in your personal opinion) which are real upsets? Other people can beg to differ or add their choices. Thus the whole thread becomes a pretty complete upset list.

I have no intention of criticizing.

LOL, then there'll be a lot of upset people.:p:p We follow World Ranking to avoid arguements (as has already happened many times). As re-stated by Robin7 ( we already covered this in every tournament), the 3 criteria.

I've added WR difference of 5 & above whenever i do it AND as far as i recall, the those listed so far for this CO2 is WR difference of minimum 5.

Other than that, you all debate to your heart's content, hopefully not until thread close.:D:D

Hiyaaa, Robin7, you dunno our Limsy kah, talk about baddy he can stay awake whole nite, LOL.

limsy, still awake? I thought 2moro got paper? better rest early...

nope...no paper until next monday...mon-thurs...5 paper...then habis...;)...

LOL, then there'll be a lot of upset people.:p:p We follow World Ranking to avoid arguements (as has already happened many times). As re-stated by Robin7 ( we already covered this in every tournament), the 3 criteria.

I've added WR difference of 5 & above whenever i do it AND as far as i recall, the those listed so far for this CO2 is WR difference of minimum 5.

Other than that, you all debate to your heart's content, hopefully not until thread close.:D:D

yes...we avoid arguement....not start arguement...;)

almost every of today's match is an upset...

Quarter-finals (8)

MD (3)
Tony GUNAWAN/Candra WIJAYA [8] - Yun CAI/Haifeng FU [1] : 21-17 19-21 21-18
Kien Keat KOO/Boon Heong TAN [5] - Lars PAASKE/Jonas RASMUSSEN [2] : 19-21 22-20 21-14
Mathias BOE/Carsten MOGENSEN [6] - Mohd Zakry ABDUL LATIF/Mohd Fairuzizuan MOHD TAZARI [4] : 20-22 21-18 24-22

XD (2)
Yong Dae LEE/Hyo Jung LEE [5] - Hanbin HE/Yang (F) YU [1] : 21-12 12-21 21-14
Bo ZHENG/Jin MA - Robert BLAIR/Imogen BANKIER [7] : 21-15 21-12

WS (2)
Yanjiao JIANG - Xingfang XIE [4] : 23-21 21-14
Jingjing ZHU - Mi ZHOU [1] : 21-11 21-11

MS (1)
Sung Hwan PARK [8] - Jin CHEN [3] : 21-11 13-21 21-18

is wen kai win over arvind bhat can be consider an upset too?:p;)

yes...george...u are correct...

..in the MS??..LD over LCW??..;)
..in the WD??..WPT & CEH (it's quite remarkable what they've done, actually, reaching another Final)..:cool:

..in the MS??..LD over LCW??..;)
..in the WD??..WPT & CEH (it's quite remarkable what they've done, actually, reaching another Final)..:cool:

Errrrr, Zhang Yawen/ZTT lower ranked than WPT/CEH cos new partnership.
Wei Yili/Zhang Yawen is WR#7. Unless u mean the win OVER WPT/CEH

;):D

..i thought WPT & CEH would play & upset Du Jing & Yu Yang...Didn't realize the MAS WD's opponents would be ZYW & ZTT..;)

First, let me just say I have high regards for hcyong and ye333's inputs.They always add value and substance to the discussion.Suggestions should be welcome although there's no need to take them up.
I do realise it's a lot of work scouring the WR data esp when BWF is not the most user-friendly.
Here's an idea to get the list done without BWF and with less work:
Just use the PAW data.
Anytime the bigger PAW win would be considered an upset.So today, LD's win over LCW is an upset.

..in the MS??..LD over LCW??..;)
..in the WD??..WPT & CEH (it's quite remarkable what they've done, actually, reaching another Final)..:cool:

agree, they have become consistent after OG defeat.is like they come out of nowhere after OG to reach their 1st SS final in JO n then win d DO title.haha.hmm i x not consider their defeat as an upset cos chn pair is actually not lowly ranked.only that they are newly paired.haha.btw, ceh/wpt no3 nx week. i tot they will be no 2

First, let me just say I have high regards for hcyong and ye333's inputs.They always add value and substance to the discussion.Suggestions should be welcome although there's no need to take them up.
I do realise it's a lot of work scouring the WR data esp when BWF is not the most user-friendly.
Here's an idea to get the list done without BWF and with less work:
Just use the PAW data.
Anytime the bigger PAW win would be considered an upset.So today, LD's win over LCW is an upset.

1) Then how about earlier rounds when MD, WD, XD are not played in PAW?? or Same points. Still need to search, so might as well search all.

2) LOL, they dont realise the efforts that has gone out to make it the list acceptable (but didnt work). LD (WR#2) beating LCW(WR#1) is minor upset, just 1 WR, may or may not be considered (hehe, up to robin, his turn this time). To be consistent, have to use same principle .

3) We still have to search & put in the WR as part of the data (limsy & I would but no obligations of course ;):p:p). Paw doesnt state the WR, it is not clear . Then there'll be questions of "DOnt think this is an upset, so & so is lower ranked" - just happened in this thread.

It may also be lower seed beat higher seed but in WR it's the other way around, so not upset (example : PG vs Taufik, France 2008)

1) Then how about earlier rounds when MD, WD, XD are not played in PAW?? or Same points. Still need to search, so might as well search all.

2) LOL, they dont realise the efforts that has gone out to make it the list acceptable (but didnt work). LD (WR#2) beating LCW(WR#1) is minor upset, just 1 WR, may or may not be considered (hehe, up to robin, his turn this time). To be consistent, have to use same principle .

3) We still have to search & put in the WR as part of the data (limsy & I would but no obligations of course ;):p:p). Paw doesnt state the WR, it is not clear . Then there'll be questions of "DOnt think this is an upset, so & so is lower ranked" - just happened in this thread.

It may also be lower seed beat higher seed but in WR it's the other way around, so not upset (example : PG vs Taufik, France 2008)
Good points. Really, since you all are doing the work unpaid, then you be the boss.

is wen kai win over arvind bhat can be consider an upset too?:p;)
Yeah, u r right! :)

Semi-finals (3)

WS (2)
Yanjiao JIANG - Lin ZHU [5] : 21-16 21-11
Jingjing ZHU - Lin WANG : 14-21 21-12 21-9

WD (1)
Yawen ZHANG/Tingting ZHAO [5] - Jing DU/Yang (F) YU [1] : 21-18 18-21 21-14

XD
Yong Dae LEE/Hyo Jung LEE [5] - Thomas LAYBOURN/Kamilla RYTTER JUHL [3] : 21-15 21-16 (NOT upset since the Koreans are expected to beat the Danes!)

Finals (1)

WD (1)
Yawen ZHANG/Tingting ZHAO [5] - Eei Hui CHIN/Pei Tty WONG [2] : 21-14 21-19 (Expected upset)

Okay, I won't be doing for Hong Kong. Since limsy has exam next week, can Kak eagle take over?

Okay, I won't be doing for Hong Kong. Since limsy has exam next week, can Kak eagle take over?

I'm still busy during HK SS, it'll be out late then.
;)

First, let me just say I have high regards for hcyong and ye333's inputs.They always add value and substance to the discussion.Suggestions should be welcome although there's no need to take them up.
I do realise it's a lot of work scouring the WR data esp when BWF is not the most user-friendly.
Here's an idea to get the list done without BWF and with less work:
Just use the PAW data.
Anytime the bigger PAW win would be considered an upset.So today, LD's win over LCW is an upset.

i want to reply this...but kak helang already did it...so...hehe...:D...no need...

Okay, I won't be doing for Hong Kong. Since limsy has exam next week, can Kak eagle take over?

haha...when uncle robin call kak as kak helang...kak helang looks old than uncle robin...:p