After the BOG08, it has been months I really wanted to watch this rematch.

I did really disappointed when watching the BOG08 final, and now this should be a good game to watch. I am not expecting LCW to win but I just wanna see a good game. If LCW loose to LD without a good fight, my faith in LCW will be faint away..

COME LCW SHOWS OUR BEST.. :cool:


Sorry.. I just wanna share my feeling here :p

Yeah same here. I was a bit frustrated when i was watching the olympics match. It didn't seem to be a world no.1 vs world no.2 match at that time. Hopefully tomorrow will be a good show, at least a close fight that satisfies the audience.

I think both players are not yet at their best after Olympics. LCW's best form this year was at the Thomas Cup. LD's was at the Olympics. But today, both had to dig deep against their opponents.

Hopefully Chong Wei won't lose to Lin Dan as bad as he did during the OG. I certainly hope he wins Lin Dan.. Chong Wei boleh !!!

ya,
although LCW lose, better don't lose like OG, get less points...
at least have rubber game, and more exciting move from both LCW and LD... hehe

..and good to hear! I hope LCW will give a better performance this time around; at least make it more interesting!:cool:

On that note, are we going to hear from our dearest X Ball.....soon??..:confused: ;)

I WILL RATE THIS ONE 50-50...just see how lcw mentaly when face ld...

I think probably LD might return the favour to LCW this time..... hehe

I WILL RATE THIS ONE 50-50...just see how lcw mentaly when face ld...

Sorry but i will still rate this match as 70-30, favour to LD :D

ok hi to all i'm just now coming to see results.. and i see these two are already in the final! so good i;m not too late
very interesting to see especially after LCW had so bad defense vs LD at OG

is there some online web-translation tomorrow?

I do think that LCW has a good chance to turn the table around this time for his favour. there are a couple of things going for him. firstly, LCW is much more match fit than LD since the olympics, this is LD's first outing for 3 months and LCW been playing quite regularly. secondly, since LCW will be playing one the best player at his home ground he shouldn't has too much pressure to win. as long as he does not put too much pressure on himself he will play better and has a better chance. For both of them another SS title shouldn’t make much difference thus less pressure again.

since LD and LCW are unquestionably the best two players around. with LD won last time it should be LCW’s turn, statistically.

having said that all still not brave enough to put LCW down for my PAW.

may the best player on the day win.

will be a cracker game allright..

an LCW win will be great for this rivarly. wud be interesting to look at head 2 head stats b/w the two this year

dont worry boleh fans, LD will likely be more relaxed, not under pressure to destroy and conquer like in the OG, just a normal win is fine;) :) He will open up a few gaps for LCW to look good;) LD will be generous:) kekekeke

..and good to hear! I hope LCW will give a better performance this time around; at least make it more interesting!:cool:

On that note, are we going to hear from our dearest X Ball.....soon??..:confused: ;) his ball must be wearing thin now to come out again to make another thunderous proclamation:D:p

I like Chong Wei to win but I don't think he will. It's all come down to handling the pressure and Lin Dan certainly has an edge! The only advantage Chong Wei has is this SS is not a huge event like World Championship, Olympics or All England so the pressure is certainly less.
Anyway, as a fan of both LD and LCW, I just want to see a close match and be proud and talk about the "Woo and Ahh" after the match, not who crumble under pressure.

dont worry boleh fans, LD will likely be more relaxed, not under pressure to destroy and conquer like in the OG, just a normal win is fine;) :) He will open up a few gaps for LCW to look good;) LD will be generous:) kekekeke

Hehe, same here Cooler. The thundering machine "Lin Dan" had a firmware update which modified his settings to the "Destroy and Conquer" mode during the BOG MSF. Let's hope he'll be playing in a less destructive way towards LCW this time :p

Fingers crossed, Lin Dan Jia You!

I think both players are not yet at their best after Olympics. LCW's best form this year was at the Thomas Cup. LD's was at the Olympics. But today, both had to dig deep against their opponents.

Yeah I agree.. at Thomas when LCW meet LD, if you guys remembered the female commentator at 1 point said "look at LCW legs muscles it looks like a horse.." LOL :D

Yeah I agree.. at Thomas when LCW meet LD, if you guys remembered the female commentator at 1 point said "look at LCW legs muscles it looks like a horse.." LOL :D

like these horses, all bandaged up?:p

I did really disappointed when watching the BOG08 final, and now this should be a good game to watch. I am not expecting LCW to win but I just wanna see a good game.



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Agree ... Let's hope that LCW could win this 2008 China Open SS. It would make our International Badminton more interesting.

:):):)
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I hope both players have a tight match. It would be a delight to watch (although the Singapore broadcast of this Super Series has been removed).

With Taufik out in the early rounds, the best final one could expect would be LCW vs LD. I think LCW can win, but he has to find composure (he has a habit of going soft after a strong start).

Lin Dan has not played a lot since the Olympics (in fact his absence from big tournaments in Denmark, Japan and France were noticeable).

I do think that LCW has a good chance to turn the table around this time for his favour. there are a couple of things going for him. firstly, LCW is much more match fit than LD since the olympics, this is LD's first outing for 3 months and LCW been playing quite regularly. secondly, since LCW will be playing one the best player at his home ground he shouldn't has too much pressure to win. as long as he does not put too much pressure on himself he will play better and has a better chance. For both of them another SS title shouldn’t make much difference thus less pressure again.

since LD and LCW are unquestionably the best two players around. with LD won last time it should be LCW’s turn, statistically.

having said that all still not brave enough to put LCW down for my PAW.

may the best player on the day win.

wah...really rare that alany will say something positive against china player...:p

I was totally amazed when the commentator said LCW was the "fastest" badminton players in the world.
How on earth could she forgot about LD?
Fitness wise, the "best" probably will go to LCW. In terms of speed , I am sure evryone knows who is the best.

I was totally amazed when the commentator said LCW was the "fastest" badminton players in the world.
How on earth could she forgot about LD?
Fitness wise, the "best" probably will go to LCW. In terms of speed , I am sure evryone knows who is the best.

She loves LCW mah.......it seems that other commentators also always have nice things to say about LCW.........:):):)

I was totally amazed when the commentator said LCW was the "fastest" badminton players in the world.
How on earth could she forgot about LD?
Fitness wise, the "best" probably will go to LCW. In terms of speed , I am sure evryone knows who is the best.

Every top notch player is very unique, I don't think it's that far fetch to characterize Chong Wei has the fastest speed among all just like Lin Dan is the most powerful and Taufik the most natural talent. Certainly the fastest speed is not as good as the most powerful and talented when comes to winning huge titles :D

I was totally amazed when the commentator said LCW was the "fastest" badminton players in the world.
How on earth could she forgot about LD?
Fitness wise, the "best" probably will go to LCW. In terms of speed , I am sure evryone knows who is the best.
Who's the commentator?

Who's the commentator?

I think he's referring to Gillian Clarke who commented LCW's match against Park SH yestersday.

Did LCW played that well during the match against PSW??

Did LCW played that well during the match against PSW??

eh...reply my post in the final thread 1st...;)...no lar...lcw lost in the jungle in 1st set...and psh give lcw 42 points to let him win...as psh scare like a chicken to face ld...;)

eh...reply my post in the final thread 1st...;)...no lar...lcw lost in the jungle in 1st set...and psh give lcw 42 points to let him win...as psh scare like a chicken to face ld...;)

Yesterday Park had a quick lead at the beginning of the 1st set ......LCW kept pace with him until they reached 17-17.....after that Park won the next 4 points to wrap up the set. Park was still in the game in the 2nd set but only until 6-6.....after that Park's game collapsed maybe he was exhausted by then and it was LCW all the way..........

Don't think Park is scared of LD.......I think Park likes to play LD and he is always at his best playing against him after watching previous matches between them.....

Yesterday Park had a quick lead at the beginning of the 1st set ......LCW kept pace with him until they reached 17-17.....after that Park won the next 4 points to wrap up the set. Park was still in the game in the 2nd set but only until 6-6.....after that Park's game collapsed maybe he was exhausted by then and it was LCW all the way..........

Don't think Park is scared of LD.......I think Park likes to play LD and he is always at his best playing against him after watching previous matches between them.....

aiya...u read what i post in final thread 1st...i just teasing him...i not a low class fans...;)...wisdomcivet sound like lin dan is a god...then i must agree lar...;)

Yesterday Park had a quick lead at the beginning of the 1st set ......LCW kept pace with him until they reached 17-17.....after that Park won the next 4 points to wrap up the set. Park was still in the game in the 2nd set but only until 6-6.....after that Park's game collapsed maybe he was exhausted by then and it was LCW all the way..........

Don't think Park is scared of LD.......I think Park likes to play LD and he is always at his best playing against him after watching previous matches between them.....

Better analysis, make more snese to me too, thanks Tjun Tjun.

She loves LCW mah.......it seems that other commentators also always have nice things to say about LCW.........:):):)
perhaps lcw's look not so lcly compare to LD??hahahahahahaha

I think he's referring to Gillian Clarke who commented LCW's match against Park SH yestersday.
Wow, GC's a LCW fan now?
Wait for the MSF. GC's a greater LD fan.

gc with lcw is good friend...

perhaps lcw's look not so lcly compare to LD??hahahahahahaha
What's this sms shorthand called "lcly" ? What's the long word?

gc with lcw is good friend...
How do you know?

Did LCW played that well during the match against PSW??
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1032606&postcount=298

How do you know?

haha...aiya...she always say she have a tak with lcw;)

Hmm..
1st half against LD it was quite a play for LCW
But the 2nd half.. its just disappointed from my point of view

ok...be neutral in this post...;)...
lcw looks good in 1st game...leading most of the time...when reach 16-14...lcw mental block again...5 return into net cause him the game...he play to passively after 16-14...lin dan not quite in form yet...

2nd set...
lin dan step up a gear...start to out played lcw...and lcw start to make mistake after mistake when been out played by ld...

what i can say is...lcw have chance to drag it to 3 by winning 1st set...just he cant overcome the mental problem...
18-21,9-21...consider improvement by lcw scoring 7 more points than og final...:p...

well..still...lcw and ld leading the world ms...others gap are to far...and ld is surely infront of lcw...

ld wiser than lcw...he himself analysis the game between point...;)...thats why he is the world best...;)

and now...we see if uncle robin will take this as upset match...i surely uncle robin will do so...with many disagreement...

Wow, GC's a LCW fan now?
Wait for the MSF. GC's a greater LD fan.

GC always has a softspot for LCW...........this afternoon didn't you hear her say that LCW didn't too badly in OG 08? It was LD who was in tremendous form.

And she likes Gao Ling too! :):):)

Instead of 'LD vs LCW rematch', the thread's title should have been 'LD vs LCW repeat' ;)

LCW's defense is still the best...love it when he dives to retrieve the smashes and gets up in time to continue playing and sometimes even win the rally...:)

GC always has a softspot for LCW...........this afternoon didn't you hear her say that LCW didn't too badly in OG 08? It was LD who was in tremendous form.

And she likes Gao Ling too! :):):)
No,I didn't hear GC cos it's RTM.What did she say after her friend (LCW)'s loss to her idol(LD)?
Actually, LCW put up a better fight in G2 of OG08 although the score did not reflect that effort. Today in G2, LCW did a TH.'You wanna win, let you win lah.' Very good ploy by LCW. Until their next meeting....

Hmm..
1st half against LD it was quite a play for LCW
But the 2nd half.. its just disappointed from my point of view
Cheer up.See it as an improvement over OG08.At least G1 was decent.Takes a while to get back the sharpness.

No,I didn't hear GC cos it's RTM.What did she say after her friend (LCW)'s loss to her idol(LD)?
Actually, LCW put up a better fight in G2 of OG08 although the score did not reflect that effort. Today in G2, LCW did a TH.'You wanna win, let you win lah.' Very good ploy by LCW. Until their next meeting....

ROFL, losing on purpose is a very good ploy:confused: LOL
LCW hasn't won 1 title yet since being ranked #1. So is lcw changing his goal, to be the best runner-up specialist, surpassing bcl??
Why wait until next meeting, this ploy is even more effective if lcw doesn't compete at all.

and now...we see if uncle robin will take this as upset match...i surely uncle robin will do so...with many disagreement...

ROFL, losing on purpose is a very good ploy:confused: LOL
LCW hasn't won 1 title yet since being ranked #1. So is lcw changing his goal, to be the best runner-up specialist, surpassing bcl??
Why wait until next meeting, this ploy is even more effective if lcw doesn't compete at all.

If this is an upset, we would see more to come...

coz even LD continue to beat LCW in finals, he would still not able to get back the No.1 ranking (latest ranking points LCW leads by 12000), and LCW may still think that "don't mind you to win me, I'm still world No.1..." :p:p:p

LCW may still think that "don't mind you to win me, I'm still world No.1..." :p:p:p
shouldnt it be the other way round? the no 1 ended up as loser and LD is laughing all the way to the bank!

ok...be neutral in this post...;)...
lcw looks good in 1st game...leading most of the time...when reach 16-14...lcw mental block again...5 return into net cause him the game...he play to passively after 16-14...lin dan not quite in form yet...

2nd set...
lin dan step up a gear...start to out played lcw...and lcw start to make mistake after mistake when been out played by ld...

what i can say is...lcw have chance to drag it to 3 by winning 1st set...just he cant overcome the mental problem...
18-21,9-21...consider improvement by lcw scoring 7 more points than og final...:p...

well..still...lcw and ld leading the world ms...others gap are to far...and ld is surely infront of lcw...

ld wiser than lcw...he himself analysis the game between point...;)...thats why he is the world best...;)
I would say the skills between both players was the key point rather than the mental block. LCW doesnt suffer the same pressure as in OG final

I would say the skills between both players was the key point rather than the mental block. LCW doesnt suffer the same pressure as in OG final

i wold say Lin Dan is still superior to Lee Chong Wei though both r good sportman. I am still LCW fans but i have to acknowledge LIN DAN supreme

I guess maybe LCW is the country's best.. and the country's other MS is too far apart from him.. Therefore, he does not have some1 hu are more superior than him to train with...
Unlike, LD, CHN team had lots of good player about same par with him. He can improve faster...

What's this sms shorthand called "lcly" ? What's the long word?

lan ceh lan yeong.......:D

Did you see When LD was leading 19-7 in 2nd, he pickup LCW's fast drop, when it almost touch the floor and turn it into a crosscourt whip....just like LCW used to trick his opponents.

It almost seem from LD's body language saying to LCW, if you can play trick and tight netshots, I can one-up you better :D.

Boy oh boy, LD can even retrieved LCW's tap or netkill and win the point. I think LCW loses confidence and seemed to fear LD by playing even more careful and end up making silly mistakes.

LCW seemed choke with fear from the the Ah Beng of Badminton, Lin Dan. :D

Anyone know how much closer in ranking points LD gets to LCW after this match?

Anyone know how much closer in ranking points LD gets to LCW after this match?
I think a long way.With this win, LD will be 5000 RP behind.LD will have to win HKO and LCW to crash out in R32 to get back to WR1. But don't trust my Maths.I'm not perfectly clear about the RP calculations.I think Badmania's the RP expert.

I think a long way.With this win, LD will be 5000 RP behind.LD will have to win HKO and LCW to crash out in R32 to get back to WR1. But don't trust my Maths.I'm not perfectly clear about the RP calculations.I think Badmania's the RP expert.

It really doesn't matter, we know eventually Lin Dan will be the world #1 again as he's the only undisputed one in my book. As for Chong Wei, give him credit for being consistent able to advance far into the rounds on all tournamemnts he participated, no an easy task.
However, Chong Wei and Misbun need to play Lin Dan differently that others, the most effective way is still the Li Mao way, ATTACK, ATTACK and ATTACK. Finesse will not bring victory against Lin Dan.
Lin Dan is still a tap better than Chong Wei but the gap should not be that large as the final score indicated.

It really doesn't matter, we know eventually Lin Dan will be the world #1 again as he's the only undisputed one in my book. As for Chong Wei, give him credit for being consistent able to advance far into the rounds on all tournamemnts he participated, no an easy task.
However, Chong Wei and Misbun need to play Lin Dan differently that others, the most effective way is still the Li Mao way, ATTACK, ATTACK and ATTACK. Finesse will not bring victory against Lin Dan.
Lin Dan is still a tap better than Chong Wei but the gap should not be that large as the final score indicated.

Ya,absolutely agree with u..LCW play too much defensive and passive style, din`t pose any dangerous to LD. Some say he play calm, but for me he play like no confident and loss of idea.
I wonder where is the LCW i used to know before who has much faster and furious pace and deadly smashing power?? :o Gone since he was guide under Misbun :rolleyes:

LCW played a more dangerous style last year in China Masters...smash, deceptive drop, lots of netkilling....I noticed he slowed down more and more this year, not so interested in dictating the pace...he was best last year even in HKO after hurting his knee in FO. LD also playing less aggressively now, not so much killing as in last year.

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Agree ... Let's hope that LCW could win this 2008 China Open SS. It would make our International Badminton more interesting.

:):):)
. hope is for desperation people:p
sorry if LD is making badminton less interesting.

gc with lcw is good friend...
does wmc knows about this:eek::confused: hmmph:mad::D

ok...be neutral in this post...;)...
lcw looks good in 1st game...leading most of the time...when reach 16-14...lcw mental block again...5 return into net cause him the game...he play to passively after 16-14...lin dan not quite in form yet...

2nd set...
lin dan step up a gear...start to out played lcw...and lcw start to make mistake after mistake when been out played by ld...

what i can say is...lcw have chance to drag it to 3 by winning 1st set...just he cant overcome the mental problem...
18-21,9-21...consider improvement by lcw scoring 7 more points than og final...:p...

that's becoz in the OG, LD is more serious. I already said b4 that ld will be more generous in the china open with lcw. It is so clear that LD let lcw do his thing is the first half of the 1st set, to feel out lcw's pace first. LD likely using 3rd gear at those moments.

well..still...lcw and ld leading the world ms...others gap are to far...and ld is surely infront of lcw...

the gap between ld and others is just too far.


ld wiser than lcw...he himself analysis the game between point...;)...thats why he is the world best...;)..................

Basically every time LCW plays LD he hits a big huge wall

Ya,absolutely agree with u..LCW play too much defensive and passive style, din`t pose any dangerous to LD. Some say he play calm, but for me he play like no confident and loss of idea.
I wonder where is the LCW i used to know before who has much faster and furious pace and deadly smashing power?? :o Gone since he was guide under Misbun :rolleyes:u guys are looking at lcw on a narrow view. Of course lcw look fast and furious against other foes, those other foes aren't playing at LD's speed and cunningness. The reason is that LD is faster, therefore, it makes your shortsightness to perceived lcw as playing slow against LD. It is absurd to say lcw only play fast and furious with everybody except when playing against LD.

Basically every time LCW plays LD he hits a big huge wall

i do thx player like lcw which is able to bring the best of LD out for us badmiton to witness his true potential. Without lcw/TH/PG, we will never get to see ld's 5th and 6th gears in action.

what i can say is...lcw have chance to drag it to 3 by winning 1st set...just he cant overcome the mental problem...
18-21,9-21...consider improvement by lcw scoring 7 more points than og final...:p...

well..still...lcw and ld leading the world ms...others gap are to far...and ld is surely infront of lcw...




let me conclude with this remark.

- u r wrong to say lcw is leading the world MS like LD. Ever since LD absent after the 08 OG, LCW did not win a single title of all the available tournaments: macau open, french open, JP open, denmark op, dutch open, NZ open, and taipei open. When LD back from 3 months of no competitive badminton, LCW is still can't do it and seem far behind LD.

- when LD was absent, the MS winners of above opens were SDK(2), PG(2), TH, simon S, LeeTS, Andre Tedjono. It goes to show that there is no clear dominating players, which prove all others are distance distance apart from LD.

i do give credit to TH, he is a smart player. He do his best on that chinese player to gauge himself, after that he gave up because he dont want to be humilated by LD.

...to be continued (the next time both players meet, again)...;):cool:

there was a post match interview but i dunno mandarin. Found a video with subtitles.
Both men were humble.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWLT0WW6S2Y

this video is from pre-final match interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JIFqWlQa2M&feature=channel

Guys..

Dont any of you remember that at one time they only looping the birdie each other until LCW hit it out..

This is funny one..

Guys..

Dont any of you remember that at one time they only looping the birdie each other until LCW hit it out..

This is funny one..well, there are people saying best way to beat LD is to ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. Well LD was letting lcw to launch attack.

there was a post match interview but i dunno mandarin. Found a video with subtitles.
Both men were humble.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWLT0WW6S2Y


I really dislike how LCW was blaming his teammates(in the interview) for not "supporting" him like team China can do for Lin Dan. Does that mean he wish he has a team like Lin Dan does and a head coach like LYB, so he can get "support"?:rolleyes:

I am surprise how Lin Dan was defending LCW for the butt whopping he handed to LCW. It's like Lin Dan is growing as a player and as a person, while LCW remains as a kid blaming this and that for his own defeat time after time.

I really dislike how LCW was blaming his teammates (in the interview) for not "supporting" him like team China can do for Lin Dan. Does that mean he wish he has a team like Lin Dan does and a head coach like LYB, so he can get "support"?:rolleyes:



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:confused::confused::confused: How did LCW blame his teammates for not "supporting" him?

I will be so surprised if he really did that... because it just doesn't make sense.
Because LCW should be playing for his teammates and his country.
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I think LD n LCW is becoming fast friends....lol!

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:confused::confused::confused: How did LCW blame his teammates for not "supporting" him?

I will be so surprised if he really did that... because it just doesn't make sense.
Because LCW should be playing for his teammates and his country.
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lcw mean...just he in the main draw for bam...;)...u know what i mean???;)

does wmc knows about this:eek::confused: hmmph:mad::D

haha...gc is too old for lcw...;)

let me conclude with this remark.

- u r wrong to say lcw is leading the world MS like LD. Ever since LD absent after the 08 OG, LCW did not win a single title of all the available tournaments: macau open, french open, JP open, denmark op, dutch open, NZ open, and taipei open. When LD back from 3 months of no competitive badminton, LCW is still can't do it and seem far behind LD.

- when LD was absent, the MS winners of above opens were SDK(2), PG(2), TH, simon S, LeeTS, Andre Tedjono. It goes to show that there is no clear dominating players, which prove all others are distance distance apart from LD.


haha...ya...i agree...lcw should just go to play with those arvint bhat,lts,akt in final...;)...SO...NO NEED to lost to ina ms 3 times...in a row...DO lcw go nz???dutch???DO?or taipei?...:rolleyes:...he just lost 3 times to another badminton powerhouse...not to lts,ss,akt and not to pg...;)...

aiya...no need lar...lcw should just go play those international challenge...sure win...then u no need say he didnt win any title...;)...correct???...:p

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:confused::confused::confused: How did LCW blame his teammates for not "supporting" him?

I will be so surprised if he really did that... because it just doesn't make sense.
Because LCW should be playing for his teammates and his country.
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Well he said BAM has to send him to tournaments because there is no one that can replace him from Malaysia unlike China who have BCL and CJ behind LD.

LCW wasn't saying he wanted support from his teammates. He was stating that Lin Dan has BCL and CJ to represent the country in tournaments so that Lin Dan has time to train. LCW has no other singles player to represent Malaysia, so he has to step up and be the one to do it and not have as much time to train as Lin Dan.

I really dislike how LCW was blaming his teammates(in the interview) for not "supporting" him like team China can do for Lin Dan. Does that mean he wish he has a team like Lin Dan does and a head coach like LYB, so he can get "support"?:rolleyes:

I am surprise how Lin Dan was defending LCW for the butt whopping he handed to LCW. It's like Lin Dan is growing as a player and as a person, while LCW remains as a kid blaming this and that for his own defeat time after time.

Haha... maybe u should brush up ur chinese.....
U totally misunderstood LCW

haha...aiya...she always say she have a tak with lcw;)
she had a talk with so many players la..not just lcw;)
our rudy also have so much talks with her la:D:D

well, there are people saying best way to beat LD is to ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. Well LD was letting lcw to launch attack.
are u watching the match the other way round???:p
lin dan was attacking and attacking a lot more than lcw in the 2nd set;)

wow, cooler, seems that you are very busy replying in this thread;)
need some assistant, some help??:cool::D:D
dont worry, our bc doctor, Doctor Madbad from Hospital BC Madmen is ready for 24 hours;):D

are u watching the match the other way round???:p
lin dan was attacking and attacking a lot more than lcw in the 2nd set;)i was replying to the post that LD and lcw was doing just clearing in one of the rally. It further weaken lcw mentally. Clearing is the simplest and easiest basic stroke, and it was a dare, to see who can clear closest to the back corner, and lcw got suck into that dare AND he lost that dare as well.

did i watch that match.???
LOL, better yet, I even predicted LD's tactic used before the final.

wow, cooler, seems that you are very busy replying in this thread;)
need some assistant, some help??:cool::D:D
dont worry, our bc doctor, Doctor Madbad from Hospital BC Madmen is ready for 24 hours;):D

i'm very fine. It seem limsy is the one who need to go to the emergency. He is going berserk:p

she had a talk with so many players la..not just lcw;)
our rudy also have so much talks with her la:D:D

wah...maybe hauge and............erkherm...;)

LCW lamented that he didn't have the support of a psychologist & physical trainer after the OG 08 & that sort of affected his performance (besides fatigue) in the JO & FO recently (correct me if I have read wrongly). I think BAM agreed to his request and both were present with him at the China Open. I actually thought that LCW would pull it off at the final. More so when LD has laid off for 3 mths and there was no master Tang and LYB to dagger-eye at LD when he was trailing in the 1st game.
I hope BAM and the Boleh fans will not be too harsh on LCW for failing again.

ok Ive bought new shoes
will try tomorrow to play like LD

although LD in his post match interview had said both himself and lcw played slow and lethargically due to lack of training, it is obvious his words is not to belittle lcw since lcw, as printed in the newspaper right after the OG, was eager to train even harder to win at the japan open which i recall TH won that. If LD played lethargically in this china open, well, what can i say about his next improvement.

In the china open MSF, i find lcw played much more effectively and fluidly than the OG MSF. I didn't see the worry face in lcw before the 13 point in 1st set. He smashed hard and varied his shots. Without the OG pressure, i saw both players playing with more diverse shots and more trick shots. A more enjoyable match to watch than the OG MSF.

In the first set, LCW basically led most of the time, before, at and after the 11 point break. i don't recall lcw ever led LD in the OG MSF. It is when LD up the pace around 15 point, LCW didn't up his pace either but did continue to fought hard. The crowd were very quiet between rally and there were lots of ooo and ahhh for both players. The second set, LCW ran out of ideas.

It is when LD up the pace around 15 point, LCW didn't up his pace either but did continue to fight hard. The crowd were very quiet between rally and there were lots of ooo and ahhh for both players. The second set, LCW ran out of ideas.



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True, as many have said... "Playing Badminton is like playing Chess".

If you do this, I will do that. That's the beauty of tactical plays in our beloved game of Badminton.

:):):)
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almost repeating my words:D
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BADMINTON: Lin Dan still a class above
By K.M. Boopathy

2008/11/24

CHINA'S Olympic champion Lin Dan made a triumphant return to the international stage when he thumped World No 1 Lee Chong Wei of Malaysia to win the China Open in Shanghai yesterday. Chong Wei's fiery start failed to rattle Lin Dan, playing in his first tournament since winning Olympic gold in Beijing in August, who won 21-18, 21-9 in 39 minutes.

It was not to be Malaysia's day as earlier women's doubles Wong Pei Tty-Chin Eei crashed to China's Zhang Yawen-Zhao Tingting 21-14, 21-19 in 45 minutes.

The crowd, however, had anticipated an exciting rematch of the Olympics final and for a while, Chong Wei and Lin Dan gave them hope.

In fact, Chong Wei gave the Malaysian camp some hope when he led 7-3 but Lin Dan soon found his rhythm and strung five points to lead 8-7.

The Malaysian, to his credit, didn't panic and kept his composure to again lead 15-12 but his opponent moved up a gear to rattle off four points in a row to regain the lead and take control. LOL, they stole my gearing analogy:eek:
The second game turned purely academic when Lin Dan raced away to a 11-3 lead and continued his irrepressible form to bag his fourth title of the year.

Chong Wei, in a telephone interview from Shanghai, said Lin Dan was still fast despite competing in his first tournament in three months.

"I played confidently in the beginning and but could not cope with Lin Dan's speed. In fact, I had performed well overall here compared to my previous tournaments," said Chong Wei.
"I'm still not playing the best I can and reaching the final is a good achievement as I've been struggling a bit. I have not decided on competing in the Hong Kong Open but even if I miss it, I will still be able to maintain the World No 1 position."

Lin Dan earned US$18,500 (RM67,340) while Chong Wei had to be content with US$7,500 (RM27,300).

Pei Tty-Eei Hui, despite their defeat, can walk tall as they will now reach a career high World No 2 this week after an impressive run where they have reached the final of their last three Super Series events.

Olympic champions Lee Yong Dae-Lee Hyo Jung, also playing in their first competition after an absence, beat China's Xu Chen-Zhao Yunlei 21-16, 21-15 for the mixed doubles title.

Yong Dae added the men's doubles title to his collection when he partnered Jung Jae Sung to beat Denmark's Mathias Boe-Carsten Mogensen 17-21, 21-17, 21-13.

RESULTS -- (All Finals) Men's Singles: Lin Dan (Chn) bt Lee Chong Wei (Mas) 21-18, 21-9.

Doubles: Jung Jae Sung-Lee Yong Dae (Kor) bt Mathias Boe-Carsten Mogensen (Den) 17-21, 21-17, 21-13.

Women's Singles: Jiang Yanjiao (Chn) bt Zhu Jingjing (Chn) 21-15, 21-13.

Doubles: Zhang Yawen-Zhao Tingting (Chn) bt Wong Pei Tty-Chin Eei Hui (Mas) 21-14, 21-19.

Mixed Doubles: Lee Yong Dae-Lee Hyo Jung (Kor) bt Xu Chen-Zhao Yunlei 21-16, 21-15.


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© Copyright 2008 The New Straits Times Press (M) Berhad. All rights reserved.

too bad no rematch in Hong Kong
have to wait SS Grand Final in Sabah...

almost repeating my words:D
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Chong Wei, in a telephone interview from Shanghai, said Lin Dan was still fast despite competing in his first tournament in three months.

"I played confidently in the beginning and but could not cope with Lin Dan's speed. In fact, I had performed well overall here compared to my previous tournaments," said Chong Wei.
"I'm still not playing the best I can and reaching the final is a good achievement as I've been struggling a bit. I have not decided on competing in the Hong Kong Open but even if I miss it, I will still be able to maintain the World No 1 position."


... too bad that LCW (and in fact BAM) just care about the No.1 ranking, instead of his own improvement...
this actually gives clues that why LCW continue to play in most of the competitions after OG: when LD is on holiday, take the chance to grab more points to arrive No.1 ranking with a good buffer...
... this would help BAM as their year-end report could say they accomplished a world No.1 this year...
that's why BAM kept sending LCW to competitions after competitions...

LCW vs Marc ZWIEBLER not played ,

LD vs Chen jin final hongkong SS

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LD and Chen jin will be the greatest there?

LCW vs Marc ZWIEBLER not played ,

LD vs Chen jin final hongkong SS

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dont be so sure about the final yet;)

... too bad that LCW (and in fact BAM) just care about the No.1 ranking, instead of his own improvement...
this actually gives clues that why LCW continue to play in most of the competitions after OG: when LD is on holiday, take the chance to grab more points to arrive No.1 ranking with a good buffer...
... this would help BAM as their year-end report could say they accomplished a world No.1 this year...
that's why BAM kept sending LCW to competitions after competitions...

not sure whether he is really concerned about the no. 1 ranking. Maybe he intended to answer some of the worries from his fans that he may jeopardise his world ranking by not joining the HK SS. Anyway, I think maybe it's better for LCW to move back to the no.2 spot. Less stress and he can be back to himself. LD is still the best.

not sure whether he is really concerned about the no. 1 ranking. Maybe he intended to answer some of the worries from his fans that he may jeopardise his world ranking by not joining the HK SS. Anyway, I think maybe it's better for LCW to move back to the no.2 spot. Less stress and he can be back to himself. LD is still the best.
from many media news in the past 2 months, what BAM said was that they really care about the No.1 ranking and like to keep in as long as possible...

I don't mind LCW to be world No.1 if he is really able to win more championships than LD... right now his No.1 is just not justified, it is built on LCW's entering more competitions rather than winning more championships... feel like that he is just a hard-working cow that try to play lion-king via the stupid ranking system (no offence to LCW, just gut feeling...)

I don't mind LCW to be world No.1 if he is really able to win more championships than LD... right now his No.1 is just not justified, it is built on LCW's entering more competitions rather than winning more championships... feel like that he is just a hard-working cow that try to play lion-king via the stupid ranking system (no offence to LCW, just gut feeling...)



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Jonc108 ... We at Badminton Central would like to know your better Ranking System. :rolleyes:;):cool:
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from many media news in the past 2 months, what BAM said was that they really care about the No.1 ranking and like to keep in as long as possible...

I don't mind LCW to be world No.1 if he is really able to win more championships than LD... right now his No.1 is just not justified, it is built on LCW's entering more competitions rather than winning more championships... feel like that he is just a hard-working cow that try to play lion-king via the stupid ranking system (no offence to LCW, just gut feeling...)if u look at the last 3 months results, a lot players won some kind of titles while LCW can not. So, world ranking #1 status is more of a curse than a blessing.

if u look at the last 3 months results, a lot players won some kind of titles while LCW can not. So, world ranking #1 status is more of a curse than a blessing.
curse for non chinese at no.1 in singles....
look at ZHOU MI and TINE too.. LOL....

curse for non chinese at no.1 in singles....
look at ZHOU MI and TINE too.. LOL....good point.
when u r #1, everybody got their crosshair aimed at you. They would put in extra effort to beat u just for the bragging rights of beating the #1. It goes to show how impressive for LD to hold his #1 ranking for > 2yr

good point.
when u r #1, everybody got their crosshair aimed at you. They would put in extra effort to beat u just for the bragging rights of beating the #1. It goes to show how impressive for LD to hold his #1 ranking for > 2yr
yes LIN DAN was born to be no. 1
:cool::cool::cool:

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What has happened to the 'Does TH fear LD?' thread?
Just couldn't find it anywhere atm. :confused:
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What has happened to the 'Does TH fear LD?' thread?
Just couldn't find it anywhere atm. :confused:
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Derailed and deleted I'm guessing. It became like a flaming battle....

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Jonc108 ... We at Badminton Central would like to know your better Ranking System. :rolleyes:;):cool:
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like i said before in another thread...
BWF should give small points to runner up...
the different between winner and runner up in bwf rank system is way to close......

yes LIN DAN was born to be no. 1
:cool::cool::cool:
Lotta people wouldl flame me if i've said that:D

LCW became No.1 because he did very well between 07 WC and 08 OG, and he stayed there because after OG LD chose not to play and players like BCL, CJ did even worse than LCW.

The bigger the difference of points, the less the ranking will be consistent from week to week. A player ranked 20 may become say No. 3 after a single tournament. I don't think that makes more sense than the current situation.

Anyway, let me point out that the current ironical situation (No. 2 seems clearly stronger than No.1) is the result of the No.2 player (that is LD) voluntarily skipping quite a few tournaments. It's not the ranking's fault. If LD choose to only play one tournament per year, and turns out to thrash everyone easily in that tournament, shall the ranking be changed so that he can be No.1? Of course not. :cool:

Btw, note that if LD choose to do that (participating 1 tournament only) and succeed, he will be rewarded by the title "World Champion"/"Olympic Champion". Some people like LD so much that they want to change rules so that LD can have everything. LOL.

Derailed and deleted I'm guessing. It became like a flaming battle....



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Derailed and Deleted ??? :confused::confused::confused:
I hope that we, at Badminton Central, will take better care of what we say before submitting our post(s).

:):):)
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BWF should give small point for runner up....
the different between champion and runner up now in super series is so small gap....

BWF should look at tennis


Btw, note that if LD choose to do that (participating 1 tournament only) and succeed, he will be rewarded by the title "World Champion"/"Olympic Champion". Some people like LD so much that they want to change rules so that LD can have everything. LOL.

u r making up a conjecture just to taunt some of us unjustly. If Chinese said bwf ranking should adopt something like tennis, why is this only favored only to LD??? Wouldn't the new ranking system also favoring MK/HS too??? With the current bwf ranking, is it right to have XD gold medalist, china open winner (LYD/LHJ) getting more paw points than the bronze medalist (in china and hk open)?

notice that everyone is pawing
NO.[..] MT320: [x ]Y.D.Lee/H.J.Lee.[5].. v [ ]Hanbin.He/Yang.Yu.[2]( 11 - 9 .) delete [ ]

u should heed the advice of chris@ccc:D

He didn't even come to Hong Kong.

He didn't even come to Hong Kong.
who do u mean?
lcw?
if u mean him, he did came to HKG but withdrew just before his match against marc zwielber because of his old knee injury.

You cannot deny that the very reason this ranking system is an issue here is because MS No.2 being stronger than No.1. If LD is No.1 and LCW No.2, will any of you say anything about the ranking system?

Ranking measures consistency. It is about the overall performance of players in the past year. When Sony won 2 SS titles in a row, he didn't even break into the top 3. Is there anything wrong with that? Of course not.

I have only one objection about the current ranking system, which is that the difference between SS and GP events is too small.

u r making up a conjecture just to taunt some of us unjustly. If Chinese said bwf ranking should adopt something like tennis, why is this only favored only to LD??? Wouldn't the new ranking system also favoring MK/HS too??? With the current bwf ranking, is it right to have XD gold medalist, china open winner (LYD/LHJ) getting more paw points than the bronze medalist (in china and hk open)?

notice that everyone is pawing
NO.[..] MT320: [x ]Y.D.Lee/H.J.Lee.[5].. v [ ]Hanbin.He/Yang.Yu.[2]( 11 - 9 .) delete [ ]

u should heed the advice of chris@ccc:D

notice that everyone is pawing
NO.[..] MT320: [x ]Y.D.Lee/H.J.Lee.[5].. v [ ]Hanbin.He/Yang.Yu.[2]( 11 - 9 .) delete [ ]

u should heed the advice of chris@ccc:D



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And Y.D.Lee/H.J.Lee.[5] defeated Hanbin.He/Yang.Yu.[2], 11/21, 21/16, 21/12
:):):)
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u r making up a conjecture just to taunt some of us unjustly. If Chinese said bwf ranking should adopt something like tennis, why is this only favored only to LD??? Wouldn't the new ranking system also favoring MK/HS too??? With the current bwf ranking, is it right to have XD gold medalist, china open winner (LYD/LHJ) getting more paw points than the bronze medalist (in china and hk open)?

notice that everyone is pawing
NO.[..] MT320: [x ]Y.D.Lee/H.J.Lee.[5].. v [ ]Hanbin.He/Yang.Yu.[2]( 11 - 9 .) delete [ ]

u should heed the advice of chris@ccc:D

LYD didn't do all that well in mixed until recently. So his ranking reflects that. If he can keep up the good results his ranking will go up :S. Sounds fair to me.

LYD didn't do all that well in mixed until recently. So his ranking reflects that. If he can keep up the good results his ranking will go up :S. Sounds fair to me.if pawer based on your assumption before china opena and hk open, they would all pawed incorrectly.
Why pawers keep on picking lyb/lhj in china open, HK open when they are ranked as underdog??? Answer: nice easy big point awarded for least risk to losing for this korean pair

You cannot deny that the very reason this ranking system is an issue here is because MS No.2 being stronger than No.1. If LD is No.1 and LCW No.2, will any of you say anything about the ranking system?

Ranking measures consistency. It is about the overall performance of players in the past year. When Sony won 2 SS titles in a row, he didn't even break into the top 3. Is there anything wrong with that? Of course not.

I have only one objection about the current ranking system, which is that the difference between SS and GP events is too small.

1. me deny???? u guy keep thinking i favor a ranking system that work for LD's favor??? LOL I have already said before in BF, it doesnt matter where LD is seeded in a draw, his opponents will still all sink like the titanic, regardless which seat placing of his opponents LOL

2. LD has earned #1 position for over 2 years, his consistency has been proven already. No need to have a ranking system to favoring him. U r just jealous and thinking LD win by devious ways:rolleyes:

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What has happened to the 'Does TH fear LD?' thread?
Just couldn't find it anywhere atm. :confused:
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i am afraid that thread went way out of hand. if ppl continue to non-stop argue, we will have start banning.

I have the impression that the mentioning of the ranking issue is to kind "do LD justice". Some people seemed to feel it unacceptable that No.1 being weaker than No. 2. If you disagree, you tell me why suddenly some people feel that there is something wrong with the ranking system.

It seems most of your reply here has nothing to do with my main point -- the current ranking system is fine. LOL.

1. me deny???? u guy keep thinking i favor a ranking system that work for LD's favor??? LOL I have already said before in BF, it doesnt matter where LD is seeded in a draw, his opponents will still all sink like the titanic, regardless which seat placing of his opponents LOL

2. LD has earned #1 position for over 2 years, his consistency has been proven already. No need to have a ranking system to favoring him. U r just jealous and thinking LD win by devious ways:rolleyes:

at last I have watched the China final

hm.. I must say it much more says me about LCW than before. Actually, he really succeded to fight well. Despite he lost but I have found not one and not two points he just managed to win accurately. Surely LD is not about good shape right now, but any way I saw TWO players wanted to win and not ONE player that obviously gonna win and second that just places at the court - just as like in their last OG and other 2007-2008 meetings

Despite Im a fan of LD this mental improvement of LCW seems good. LD needs strong opponents to save a motivation to play

I have the impression that the mentioning of the ranking issue is to kind "do LD justice". Some people seemed to feel it unacceptable that No.1 being weaker than No. 2. If you disagree, you tell me why suddenly some people feel that there is something wrong with the ranking system.

It seems most of your reply here has nothing to do with my main point -- the current ranking system is fine. LOL.

no ranking system is perfect, therefore, flaws can be found it in. However, Chinese ask for something similar to tennis, not something brand new that favoring LD. Because tennis is more media popular than badminton, and tennis have more international based players, it is not biased to ask for bwf to lean toward a tennis ranking system.

I am not saying chinese is biased. I am just saying many people became uncomfortable with the ranking system because of the recent situation regarding LD and LCW. Is that an inaccurate observation?

no ranking system is perfect, therefore, flaws can be found it in. However, Chinese ask for something similar to tennis, not something brand new that favoring LD. Because tennis is more media popular than badminton, and tennis have more international based players, it is not biased to ask for bwf to lean toward a tennis ranking system.

I am not saying chinese is biased. I am just saying many people became uncomfortable with the ranking system because of the recent situation regarding LD and LCW. Is that an inaccurate observation?if your intention was that humble and innocent, why all the back and forth debating? Why backing off now and resort to making clarification to your original intent?

i am afraid that thread went way out of hand. if ppl continue to non-stop argue, we will have start banning.



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kwun ... Definitely agreeing with you. :):):)

Our BC threads can really go out of hand when our BCers get into their 'Attacking Modes' against fans of other idol/star players.

It would be interesting to see what could happen to this match today, TH Vs LD, at the 2008 Hong Kong Open SS Semi-Finals.
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