during game wit Lin Dan ...Taufik ..Only Winner 3 game with Lindan

This Head to head Lindan vs TH
12/07 YONEX-SUNRISE HONG KONG SUPER SERIES 2007 Dan LIN S.S
11/07 FRENCH SUPER SERIES 2007 Dan Lin S.S
01/07 PROTON MALAYSIA SUPER SERIES Dan LIN S.S
10/06 YONEX JAPAN OPEN 2006 Dan LIN 5*
09/06 YONEX SUNRISE HONG KONG OPEN 2006 Dan LIN 6*
08/05 XIV WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 2005 Taufik HIDAYAT 7*
07/05 SINGAPORE OPEN 2005 Taufik HIDAYAT 5*
12/04 DJARUM INDONESIA OPEN 2004 Taufik HIDAYAT 5*
08/01 Asia Badmin Champs 2001 (I) Dan LIN 4*

Head To Head..........Lindan and TH

during game wit Lin Dan ...Taufik ..Only Winner 3 game with Lindan

This Head to head Lindan vs TH
12/07 YONEX-SUNRISE HONG KONG SUPER SERIES 2007 Dan LIN S.S
11/07 FRENCH SUPER SERIES 2007 Dan Lin S.S
01/07 PROTON MALAYSIA SUPER SERIES Dan LIN S.S
10/06 YONEX JAPAN OPEN 2006 Dan LIN 5*
09/06 YONEX SUNRISE HONG KONG OPEN 2006 Dan LIN 6*
08/05 XIV WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 2005 Taufik HIDAYAT 7*
07/05 SINGAPORE OPEN 2005 Taufik HIDAYAT 5*
12/04 DJARUM INDONESIA OPEN 2004 Taufik HIDAYAT 5*
08/01 Asia Badmin Champs 2001 (I) Dan LIN 4*

Head To Head..........Lindan and TH

its not including asian games 2006,sudirman cup 2005,thomas cup 2006,world cup 2006...If Im not mistaken their H2H should be 11-4 to LD

its not including asian games 2006,sudirman cup 2005,thomas cup 2006,world cup 2006...If Im not mistaken their H2H should be 11-4 to LD

Regardless of their previous records, I am just happy to see these two crossing path again, what a treat for the fan and hope the match can live up to the hype.

hehe...will anyone of them walkover before of during the match???hehe

hehe...will anyone of them walkover before of during the match???hehe
no WO this time buddy...they will fight till the end:D

no WO this time buddy...they will fight till the end:D

hehe...buddy...on ur msn...:p...hope so...:D

LD: 2001ABC, 2005 Sudirman, 2006 Thomas, 2006 Japan, 2006 AG (x2), 2007 MAS, 2007 French, 2007 HK.

TH: 2002AG, 2004 Indo, 2005 Singapore, 2005 WC, 2006 AG.

It's 9-5.

In 2006 HK TH walked out at 1:4 first game, in 2006 World Cup (It's invitational) TH gave LD a WO. You can put these two in to make the H2H 11:5, but then the very purpose of talking about H2H will be ruined. For example, LCW gave a WO to Zwiebler, is it appropriate to add 1 to Zwiebler's H2H against LCW? I don't think so.

its not including asian games 2006,sudirman cup 2005,thomas cup 2006,world cup 2006...If Im not mistaken their H2H should be 11-4 to LD

Lin Dan will take the game, Lin Dan is currently in superb form.

And yet it took Lin Dan three games to get into the quarter finals?

it happens, maybe he was taking it easy-- knowing he'll have to face taufik. he doesn't want to get too exhausted?

Lin Dan will take the game, Lin Dan is currently in superb form.

haha...nope...u should say...ld find solution for lcw...but not psh...;)..and li mao...

Please do not discredit PSH. If LD in fact could win easily in 2 games, there is no reason he should let PSH took the 2nd game.

I don't think currently TH is stronger than PSH.

it happens, maybe he was taking it easy-- knowing he'll have to face taufik. he doesn't want to get too exhausted?

but TH is surely greater than PSH

TH vs LD will be the most awaiting match in the semis

hahha
can't wait for the video

THank you

:eek::cool:..WOW, what can i say, this match up will be enormous!!! And it will be the first time for both players to meet this yr!! As it will most likely decide the fate or either LD or TH going to the Super Series Finale.
Really envy the guys going there & watching!!:p

And if we have those mouth watering QF round matches y'day, the Semifinals lineup should be one jaw dropping lineup!!!...
Btw, will someone start a thread on the mouth watering Semifinals lineup??..:confused:;)

all the best for Taufik... even I don't know how he will 'take care' of Lin Dan...

TAUFIK SEMANGAT!!! THE ONE AND THE ONLY INDONESIAN LEFT...:)

Will there be a video of this match posted in the video sharing forum? I can but hope..

of course lin dan will win

hehe...will anyone of them walkover before of during the match???hehe
do u now if it will be showm on livestreaming:crying::crying::crying::crying::cryi ng::crying::crying:

hopefully taufik will be a better challenger than lcw

hopefully taufik will be a better challenger than lcw

Hmmm, I'll rate it at 70-30 for LD. There won't be much left of Taufik's stamina if match goes to rubber.

That is quite true..... hopefully he can get the first set and let LD run around in the second set and get the third set easily... yhe key point is in the first set....

since TH brings his family to HK.... I believe he will do his best and you know what I mean.... Title is a must..... There is a probablity of Taufik winning the game....

but the bigger percentage will go to LD as he is the strongest one now...



GO TAUFIK !!!!:p

i expect a 3 thrilling sets in this match...
all the best to both players:):D
im neutral in this:p

TH or LD in final?
I'd rather ask, "How many points can TH get?"

My heart beats for Taufik althought the winner will be LIN DAN! :-(

I think it will be a bit better than last time they met. In 07 HK QF TH lost 12,14, despite leading 11:5 in the 2nd game.

The important thing is, I believe TH will be able to reveal how good LD really is now.

TH or LD in final?
I'd rather ask, "How many points can TH get?"

LD: 2001ABC, 2005 Sudirman, 2006 Thomas, 2006 Japan, 2006 AG (x2), 2007 MAS, 2007 French, 2007 HK.

TH: 2002AG, 2004 Indo, 2005 Singapore, 2005 WC, 2006 AG.

It's 9-5.

In 2006 HK TH walked out at 1:4 first game, in 2006 World Cup (It's invitational) TH gave LD a WO. You can put these two in to make the H2H 11:5, but then the very purpose of talking about H2H will be ruined. For example, LCW gave a WO to Zwiebler, is it appropriate to add 1 to Zwiebler's H2H against LCW? I don't think so.there is a different between a WO and a withdrawal. IN 06 HKO, it was i think 4-1 for LD before TH walks out. BWF disciplinced TH, BWF did not disciplined Zwiebler, A BIG DIFFERENCE. In 06 HKO, the match had started and TH conceded or defaulted. That counts as head to head. I think u write things in biased way. I write them fairly.

In 06 AG, there were 3 head to head encounter between LD and TH, LD won both earlier matches and TH won the last 06 AG head to head. By only counting the last win by TH and not counting 2 earlier lost to LD is unfair in a head to head tabulation. If u r gonna count H2H, count them all.

haha...nope...u should say...ld find solution for lcw...but not psh...;)..and li mao...just 3 months ago at the OG, LD beat all his opponents in 2 sets, including psh. No solution???

:eek::cool:..WOW, what can i say, this match up will be enormous!!! And it will be the first time for both players to meet this yr!! As it will most likely decide the fate or either LD or TH going to the Super Series Finale.
Really envy the guys going there & watching!!:p

And if we have those mouth watering QF round matches y'day, the Semifinals lineup should be one jaw dropping lineup!!!...
Btw, will someone start a thread on the mouth watering Semifinals lineup??..:confused:;)and u think there are some bf'ers still think LD vs TH rivalry is the same as LD vs PG, LD vs LCW, LD vx XX rivalries, they are only kidding themselves or in a denial

all the best for Taufik... even I don't know how he will 'take care' of Lin Dan...

TAUFIK SEMANGAT!!! THE ONE AND THE ONLY INDONESIAN LEFT...:)


not long ago, when simon santoso was winning, i thot he was INA's savior...
then when soni kuncoro had a mini comeback, i thot he was the next INA's savior... Now TH. The spinning is making me dizzy.

TH or LD in final?
I'd rather ask, "How many points can TH get?"depends on how generous LD will be. This is not the OG, LD wouldn't not go at it 100%

i expect a 3 thrilling sets in this match...
all the best to both players:):D
im neutral in this:p

I am just hoping TH will play 5 points seriously at least before he give up. :rolleyes:

Did you read my post? I wrote clearly for LD "2006 AG (x2)". :confused:

Also what I said is, the very purpose of talking about H2H before a match is to extrapolate. To predict using history. The HKO Walking-out cannot contribute to this purpose. It's still early in the first game. No one could know who will win. Give you another example here. If some person talk about Simon Santoso vs LD and use Simon's 07 Swiss win to support his opinion, then he should be reminded that LD couldn't finish due to injury. He can put that into H2H if he wants, but that will make the H2H less precise and less useful.

Ya right. A person who didn't even bother to read the post he's replying writes "fairly".

there is a different between a WO and a withdrawal. IN 06 HKO, it was i think 4-1 for LD before TH walks out. BWF disciplinced TH, BWF did not disciplined Zwiebler, A BIG DIFFERENCE. In 06 HKO, the match had started and TH conceded or defaulted. That counts as head to head. I think u write things in biased way. I write them fairly.

In 06 AG, there were 3 head to head encounter between LD and TH, LD won both earlier matches and TH won the last 06 AG head to head. By only counting the last win by TH and not counting 2 earlier lost to LD is unfair in a head to head tabulation. If u r gonna count H2H, count them all.

and u think there are some bf'ers still think LD vs TH rivalry is the same as LD vs PG, LD vs LCW, LD vx XX rivalries, they are only kidding themselves or in a denial

there is no challenge for Lin Dan anymore, if there was, you would of seen it at the Olympics. there's no threat for this badminton machine

Such nonsense. If LD is that strong, why don't he finish PSH in 2 sets like he did in OG? Why don't he finish LCW like he did in OG?

Should I remind you there is this important thing called "form"?

depends on how generous LD will be. This is not the OG, LD wouldn't not go at it 100%

Such nonsense. If LD is that strong, why don't he finish PSH in 2 sets like he did in OG? Why don't he finish LCW like he did in OG?

Should I remind you there is this important thing called "form"?every smart players have a strategy going into a match. So LD is in form at china open where he beat lcw in 2 sets but not in form the day before when it took LD 3 sets to beat a much lesser player wen kai? Should i remind your there is this MORE important thing called 'mental smartness and strategy'. U want more proof? LCW has great form and fitness but poor mental strategy, that's why he keep losing to LD. LCW lost to LD at 08 china open when LD is in poor form according to u.

Did you read my post? I wrote clearly for LD "2006 AG (x2)". :confused:

Also what I said is, the very purpose of talking about H2H before a match is to extrapolate. To predict using history. The HKO Walking-out cannot contribute to this purpose. It's still early in the first game. No one could know who will win. Give you another example here. If some person talk about Simon Santoso vs LD and use Simon's 07 Swiss win to support his opinion, then he should be reminded that LD couldn't finish due to injury. He can put that into H2H if he wants, but that will make the H2H less precise and less useful.

Ya right. A person who didn't even bother to read the post he's replying writes "fairly".


sure i can admit i have overlooked your '2006 AG (x2)' as it was honest oversight, not based on a biased presumption.

where as u r overlooking 06 HKO WO, it is not a grammatical oversight. To discount a WO where the match have started and in progress as not a valid H2H is boloney. So u r saying BWF disciplining TH for the HKO WO is a paper work error???

Not this again.. chillax guys.

Oh, then what is the "mental smartness" that led LD to give WenKai one game? Mind explaining a bit? There are good theories (proposed by LD supporters/fans, mind you) in chinabadminton and badmintoncn. Just fyi if you met difficulty.

Did I say LD is in poor form in China Open 08? He was in OK form. Not as good as in OG, but not very bad either. On the other hand, did I ever say LCW was in good form in China Open? What's the point you want to make? :confused:

every smart players have a strategy going into a match. So LD is in form at china open where he beat lcw in 2 sets but not in form the day before when it took LD 3 sets to beat a much lesser player wen kai? Should i remind your there is this MORE important thing called 'mental smartness and strategy'. U want more proof? LCW has great form and fitness but poor mental strategy, that's why he keep losing to LD. LCW lost to LD at 08 china open when LD is in poor form according to u.

Not this again.. chillax guys.
don't worry, if they don't resort to personal attack and have valid discussion, not many clowns will post here.

Oh ya, very honest. Why didn't you overlook LD's other wins? LOL.

I have explained my reasoning. And in my reply to Chinese, I clearly stated the situations in both 06HKO and 06WorldCup -- which you also agree. I also said it's totally OK if you want to count that into the H2H, but then the H2H becomes less useful for prediction. Anything wrong with the above?

Did I ever say BWF should not punish TH?

Why don't you comment on my Simon vs LD example. Unlike 06HKO, Simon already won the 1st game fair and square.

Of course, for you the only purpose of H2H is to serve as a weapon to attack other players and other badminton fans. LOL.

sure i can admit i have overlooked your '2006 AG (x2)' as it was honest oversight, not based on a biased presumption.

where as u r overlooking 06 HKO WO, it is not a grammatical oversight. To discount a WO where the match have started and in progress as not a valid H2H is boloney. So u r saying BWF disciplining TH for the HKO WO is a paper work error???

Look who's using "personal attack"s here...

don't worry, if they don't resort to personal attack and have valid discussion, not many clowns will post here.

Oh, then what is the "mental smartness" that led LD to give WenKai one game? Mind explaining a bit? There are good theories (proposed by LD supporters/fans, mind you) in chinabadminton and badmintoncn. Just fyi if you met difficulty.

Did I say LD is in poor form in China Open 08? He was in OK form. Not as good as in OG, but not very bad either. On the other hand, did I ever say LCW was in good form in China Open? What's the point you want to make? :confused:


1. i already spoken about that in another thread and am not gonna re-educate u again. According robin7, i read great chinese. No, i rather not disclose the detail of LD's thinking to a non LD fan.

2. dont try to use who have said what's not, it only gonna make this thread more convoluted. We all know what u r driving at.

Relying on such stuff again. Sigh.

1. i already spoken about that in another thread and am not gonna re-educate u again. According robin7, i read great chinese. No, i rather not disclose the detail of LD's thinking to a non LD fan.

2. dont try to use who have said what's not, it only gonna make this thread more convoluted. We all know what u r driving at.

Oh ya, very honest. Why didn't you overlook LD's other wins? LOL.

I have explained my reasoning. And in my reply to Chinese, I clearly stated the situations in both 06HKO and 06WorldCup -- which you also agree. I also said it's totally OK if you want to count that into the H2H, but then the H2H becomes less useful for prediction. Anything wrong with the above?

Did I ever say BWF should not punish TH?

Why don't you comment on my Simon vs LD example. Unlike 06HKO, Simon already won the 1st game fair and square.

Of course, for you the only purpose of H2H is to serve as a weapon to attack other players and other badminton fans. LOL.

1. actually, i don't overlook any fair match by any players, period.

2. hk open, game started, umpire, referee, line judges are all there working. It is a valid match. It is a valid lost. 4-1 to LD.

3. i was using bwf's action as proof that the 06 hk match between TH and LD was a valid match, or else bwf wouldn't go disciplined TH.

4. HUH??? i didn't start this thread, and i came in late too, after u had already made 3 posts:rolleyes:. What other players have i attacked? are u saying all other badminton fans are all TH fans??

So you mean LD's AG wins are not fair matches (therefore you overlooked it although I clearly listed it)? :confused:

I never said 06HKO is not a valid match, I just said putting it in H2H will harm the usefulness of H2H statistics. What are you against here?

1. actually, i don't overlook any fair match by any players, period.

2. hk open, game started, umpire, referee, line judges are all there working. It is a valid match. It is a valid lost. 4-1 to LD.

3. i was using bwf's action as proof that the 06 hk match between TH and LD was a valid match, or else bwf wouldn't go disciplined TH.

4. HUH??? i didn't start this thread, and i came in late too, after u had already made 3 posts:rolleyes:. What other players have i attacked? are u saying all other badminton fans are all TH fans??

1. actually, i don't overlook any fair match by any players, period.

2. hk open, game started, umpire, referee, line judges are all there working. It is a valid match. It is a valid lost. 4-1 to LD.



A valid match in what sense, exactly? Yes, it was an "official" match where the victory was given to LD, but how does that help us assess their future matchups? Isn't that the purpose of stating those H2H sats? So, in your opinion, five points is enough to extrapolate a victory for LD? I don't think so.

Also, I believe LD will win. He's the better player now, in my opinion. No hard feelings, lah. xD

So you mean LD's AG wins are not fair matches (therefore you overlooked it although I clearly listed it)? :confused:

I never said 06HKO is not a valid match, I just said putting it in H2H will harm the usefulness of H2H statistics. What are you against here?

1. if u want to keep arguing over my grammatical oversight, and keep on ignoring the big WO, go ahead.

2. u still dunno what and why i'm against discounting HKO WO? Are u that blur?? The guy step onto the battlefield (court), and took some swept at his opponent (4-1 score), and then TH weasel out, and u don't called this a battle or a contest?

So according u you, walking out when LD vs Th at 20-18 should also not count

A valid match in what sense, exactly? Yes, it was an "official" match where the victory was given to LD, but how does that help us assess their future matchups? Isn't that the purpose of stating those H2H sats? So, in your opinion, five points is enough to extrapolate a victory for LD? I don't think so.

Also, I believe LD will win. He's the better player now, in my opinion. No hard feelings, lah. xD
so if a cop pull u over for speeding and fined u for going 10 mph over the speed limit, are u saying that is not really or serious speeding and the police should not record this as a speeding violaton (demerit points) in your driving record?Are u saying u r a clean driver and we can not predict your future speeding tendency??? come on, try to erase that statistic from your license record, good luck LOL

so if a cop pull u over for speeding and fined u for going 10 mph over the speed limit, are u saying that is not really or serious speeding and the police should not record this as a speeding violaton (demerit points) in your driving record?Are u saying u r a clean driver and we can not predict your future speeding tendency??? come on, try to erase that statistic from your license record, good luck LOL

I don't like analogies, but I'm gonna go ahead and give you a more accurate one. Imagine you're backing out of your driveway somewhat hastily, and a cop pulls you over.

"What's the matter, officer?"

"You were speeding."

"Sir, with all due respect, I don't think I was. I was just backing out of my driveway."

"Well, from the way you were backing out, I could just tell you were EVENTUALLY going to start speeding."

See? I can make analogies, too. And that one is more representative of what we're actually talking about. But, let's not get defensive, yeah? There's no need for anyone here to resort to name-calling. Peace, everyone!

I don't like analogies, but I'm gonna go ahead and give you a more accurate one. Imagine you're backing out of your driveway somewhat hastily, and a cop pulls you over.

"What's the matter, officer?"

"You were speeding."

"Sir, with all due respect, I don't think I was. I was just backing out of my driveway."

"Well, from the way you were backing out, I could just tell you were EVENTUALLY going to start speeding."

See? I can make analogies, too. And that one is more representative of what we're actually talking about. But, let's not get defensive, yeah? There's no need for anyone here to resort to name-calling. Peace, everyone!

hahahahaha, nice try.
traffic bylaws doesn't apply to residental driveway. Beside, I HAVE TRIED THAT TOO TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY. NOt A VALID REASON WAS THE CONCLUSION. :(

here is a better and more accurate version of your analogy

What's the matter, officer?"

"You were speeding, doing 10 mph over the posted speed limit"

"Sir, with all due respect, I don't think I was. Even my speedometer says I'm not speeding."

"Well, according to my laser gun, it clocked u were going 10.54 mph over the speed limit. Here is your ticket"


LOL, u see, TH was nailed for walking out at a score 4-1 to LD, he got a ticket too. LOL U see, the bwf badminton court is not a driveway, it is the real road.

of course lin dan will win
i agree with you...
Lin Dan should win it
GO LIN DAN ..........

I think Cooler and Ye333 should settle the dispute over a game of Badminton singles!! Nothing like weilding the carbon fibre to sort out a dispute, lol.

LD is playing well and after the Olympics I don't see anyone beating him until my son gets older, lol.

I think both TH & LD have done well this year because they haven't played as many SS as others and LD especially seems to win them when he feels like it.

Tim H

I think Cooler and Ye333 should settle the dispute over a game of Badminton singles!! Nothing like weilding the carbon fibre to sort out a dispute, lol.

LD is playing well and after the Olympics I don't see anyone beating him until my son gets older, lol.

I think both TH & LD have done well this year because they haven't played as many SS as others and LD especially seems to win them when he feels like it.

Tim H

hehe, i have to find a right date where i will be in form. Meanwhile i have better mental strategy and is doing ok here:D:p

taufik will win.... period

taufik will win.... period
could be, as LD is very generous:D

could be, as LD is very generous:D

if ld had been so generous .. the world ( i mean BC) would have been so peaceful :D :D :p

GO LIN DAN....... LD will meet CJ @ final...... ^_*

Props to Bonsaak though. His country and the city he lives in is in big turmoil, yet still able to win the match.

if ld had been so generous .. the world ( i mean BC) would have been so peaceful :D :D :p

hahaha, yup but if u listen closely, the noise comes from the TH's fans side:D:D:p

hahaha, yup but if u listen closely, the noise comes from the TH's fans side:D:D:p

is that so... ? :rolleyes: but the one who is opposite to TH's fans and very noise is only one person :D :D:p

is that so... ? :rolleyes: but the one who is opposite to TH's fans and very noise is only one person :D :D:pya, it's usually one against whole gang of them, analogous to an exterminator against a swarm of locusts:(:D:p:p:p

ya, it's usually one against whole gang of them, analogous to an exterminator against a swarm of locusts:(:D:p:p:p

or he may have been a dead man walking already, like zombie.. no soul and no feeling.. he can't die twice :D :D

or he may have been a dead man walking already, like zombie.. no soul and no feeling.. he can't die twice :D :Dthen why TH fans love talking to a zombie? I thought dead man, like zombie, can't talk? Have u watched any movie with zombies? Zombie don't like the cold but i'm cooler:p I dunno any zombie that plays badminton?

chiill out, cooler;)
u must be cool..
this thread is talking about lin dan or th to the final...
not u vs ye333 to the hong kong open final:D:D

or he may have been a dead man walking already, like zombie.. no soul and no feeling.. he can't die twice :D :D
do you know where my location is, right now?:rolleyes:;);):D:D:D

camon TH...this is a great chance to win this match over LD...

then why TH fans love talking to a zombie? I thought dead man, like zombie, can't talk? Have u watched any movie with zombies? Zombie don't like the cold but i'm cooler:p I dunno any zombie that plays badminton?
this zombie is unique.. he can talk and surf internet :D :D :D

this zombie is unique.. he can talk and surf internet :D :D :Dfunny how u keep changing your definition of a zombie
Anyhow, according you,
this zombie can talk
this zombie can surf internet
this zombie can play badminton
this zombie plays badminton like a machine (no soul)
this zombie is unique
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hell, I'm LIN DAN, TH and TH fans nightmare

LOLOLOL.
You should be privileged to talk to LIN DAN:):):)

not long ago, when simon santoso was winning, i thot he was INA's savior...
then when soni kuncoro had a mini comeback, i thot he was the next INA's savior... Now TH. The spinning is making me dizzy.

oh oh... i have medicine for you... want some??? maybe hipnotic sedative? so you can have a very good sleep, don't need to see the match...

better to take care your health...:p:p:p

do you know where my location is, right now?:rolleyes:;);):D:D:D

sure.. george... :D :D... it's a twilight zone.... :D i dont want to go there :D

btw gambateh taufik !!!!!

come on , Lin Dan!
Lin Dan should win this match

really...LD vs TH make me more nervous than LD vs LCW...dunno why
maybe because despite of TH's performance lately..he's still considered as one of great badminton player in the world and also an arc nemesis for Lin Dan

let the best match comes tonight...

JIA YOU, LIN DAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Such nonsense. If LD is that strong, why don't he finish PSH in 2 sets like he did in OG? Why don't he finish LCW like he did in OG?

Should I remind you there is this important thing called "form"?
Yet PSH still lost the last 3 encounters with LD, he is no match for him even though he may push him here and there.
He'll probably get lucky on a LD bad day, but that's like once in a few months due to boredom and other commitments.

Did you read my post? I wrote clearly for LD "2006 AG (x2)". :confused:

Also what I said is, the very purpose of talking about H2H before a match is to extrapolate. To predict using history. The HKO Walking-out cannot contribute to this purpose. It's still early in the first game. No one could know who will win. Give you another example here. If some person talk about Simon Santoso vs LD and use Simon's 07 Swiss win to support his opinion, then he should be reminded that LD couldn't finish due to injury. He can put that into H2H if he wants, but that will make the H2H less precise and less useful.

Ya right. A person who didn't even bother to read the post he's replying writes "fairly".

Walkout due to rage and other personal egotistic reasons should not be compared with that of an genuine injury.

Walkout due to rage and other personal egotistic reasons should not be compared with that of an genuine injury.

Uhh, HELLO.... The whole point is to get an idea of where they stand against each other by how things have gone in the past (not always totally accurate, but can give you the general idea). How on earth can you count a "match" that only lasted a few points?

ENOUGH with the "TH is a selfish git", "LD is the image of purity" nonsense. It's NOT NEEDED.

So according u you, walking out when LD vs Th at 20-18 should also not count

This is a PERFECT example of missing the point entirely! It may be an "official match", but for the purposes of using head to head to gauge where a player stands against another it is NOT suitable! A match almost concluded is totally different to a match that barely started. Lets use an absolutely outrageous example as seems so popular - say I was playing Lin Dan, and he made lets say... 3 early mistakes (anything can happen), and then for some ungodly reason decided to walk out (yeah right - but like I said - outrageous, maybe he remembered he had a dental appointment or something...). Would you then say I won the match 3-0 and now stand at a 1-0 H2H against Lin Dan? Hardly... Don't bother nitpicking that example, I said it's outrageous, but the point is there.

A match needs time to come to it's conclusion, and a perfect example is the MD just now between Fuzzys and KKK/TBH, if the match had finished early, who could have known Fuzzys would come back and win it? Therefore you can't base a win (a real win earned through being the better player on the day) on a few points in THIS CONTEXT.

I think u write things in biased way. I write them fairly.

You can think what you want, but I think you need a serious reality check...

here is a better and more accurate version of your analogy

Uhh huh. Always better, always right eh? >_>

there is a different between a WO and a withdrawal. IN 06 HKO, it was i think 4-1 for LD before TH walks out. BWF disciplinced TH, BWF did not disciplined Zwiebler, A BIG DIFFERENCE. In 06 HKO, the match had started and TH conceded or defaulted. That counts as head to head. I think u write things in biased way. I write them fairly.

In 06 AG, there were 3 head to head encounter between LD and TH, LD won both earlier matches and TH won the last 06 AG head to head. By only counting the last win by TH and not counting 2 earlier lost to LD is unfair in a head to head tabulation. If u r gonna count H2H, count them all.
You never write fairly about TH.......

Uhh, HELLO.... The whole point is to get an idea of where they stand against each other by how things have gone in the past (not always totally accurate, but can give you the general idea). How on earth can you count a "match" that only lasted a few points?

ENOUGH with the "TH is a selfish git", "LD is the image of purity" nonsense. It's NOT NEEDED.



This is a PERFECT example of missing the point entirely! It may be an "official match", but for the purposes of using head to head to gauge where a player stands against another it is NOT suitable! A match almost concluded is totally different to a match that barely started. Lets use an absolutely outrageous example as seems so popular - say I was playing Lin Dan, and he made lets say... 3 early mistakes (anything can happen), and then for some ungodly reason decided to walk out (yeah right - but like I said - outrageous, maybe he remembered he had a dental appointment or something...). Would you then say I won the match 3-0 and now stand at a 1-0 H2H against Lin Dan? Hardly... Don't bother nitpicking that example, I said it's outrageous, but the point is there.

A match needs time to come to it's conclusion, and a perfect example is the MD just now between Fuzzys and KKK/TBH, if the match had finished early, who could have known Fuzzys would come back and win it? Therefore you can't base a win (a real win earned through being the better player on the day) on a few points in THIS CONTEXT.

same analogy as caught speeding. Insurance rates will go up if they received notice that u were caught speeding. That is how they penalize u for future risk of auto accidents, even if your speeding was only 10 mph and did not caused any damages. It is counted in their record. Insurance company will not overlook this just because u were only 10 mph over speed limit. Insurance business is based entirely how they measure your risk premium versus their reward. They are statistic analyst expert.

A H2H statistical analysis must include all H2H encounters, especially official matches. If u say a match stop at 4-1 is invalid but a match stop at 20-18 is valid, what score is needed before it is considered a valid match??????
When TH step onto the court, and after the umpire said 'play', the match is valid. Even if TH had WO at 0-0 score for any voluntary reason, TH had lost.
TH quit voluntary. Beside for involuntary reasons like injury or an act of nature ( terrorist attack in stadium), any voluntary WO is a lost, even at score 0-0. If u accept a WO at score 20-18 as a valid lost, the same WO logic applies to 0-0, or 4-1 score as well.

sure.. george... :D :D... it's a twilight zone.... :D i dont want to go there :D

btw gambateh taufik !!!!!
u should say topik bisa!!:p
or topik semangat!:):D
hehe:D

p/s..wow just realised that this is my 12 k post;):cool::D

u should say topik bisa!!:p
or topik semangat!:):D
hehe:D

p/s..wow just realised that this is my 12 k post;):cool::D


Taufik kamu bisa... kalahkan LD for Cooler :D :D

congratz to george for reaching 12 k posts..

you've just won 12 K $points... he..he

same analogy as caught speeding. Insurance rates will go up if they received notice that u were caught speeding. That is how they penalize u for future risk of auto accidents, even if your speeding was only 10 mph and did not caused any damages. It is counted in their record. Insurance company will not overlook this just because u were only 10 mph over speed limit. Insurance business is based entirely how they measure your risk premium versus their reward. They are statistic analyst expert.

Speeding is speeding, badminton is badminton. When speeding, you're not comparing two players. It's a "yes you are speeding", "no you are not speeding scenario". Analogies are clever and all, but they have to be very relevant to have any weight. This one is only relevant if you're arguing about whether the match was a loss or a win. And that's not what I'm arguing. Anyway I'm not going to change your opinion.


A H2H statistical analysis must include all H2H encounters, especially official matches. If u say a match stop at 4-1 is invalid but a match stop at 20-18 is valid, what score is needed before it is considered a valid match??????
When TH step onto the court, and after the umpire said 'play', the match is valid. Even if TH had WO at 0-0 score for any voluntary reason, TH had lost.
TH quit voluntary. Beside for involuntary reasons like injury or an act of nature ( terrorist attack in stadium), any voluntary WO is a lost, even at score 0-0. If u accept a WO at score 20-18 as a valid lost, the same WO logic applies to 0-0, or 4-1 score as well.

The difference between 4-1, and 20-18 is night and day. Those were the examples given, so those were the examples used. Obviously there's no exact line at which point it crosses over, but you can just use common sense and work out for yourself whether a match was close enough to completion to get a fair idea of who was better on the day. Who could possibly know for sure how that HKO 06 match would have turned out if it had gone the full distance?

And still you're not getting the point - The difference between an official match, and a match which actually contributes to a halfway useful statistic. Yes, Taufik lost the match. Jeeezz I'm not denying that... I'm saying it's not useful to include it statistically IF you're going to use that statistic as basis for an argument (based on comparison).

chill out,guys...

like the joker said :
"Why So Serious?" :D

just enjoy the game...

chill out,guys...

like the joker said :
"Why So Serious?" :D

just enjoy the game...

But I am enjoying the games, while also enjoying this discussion :). It's part of the reason I love Badminton Central - it's not often I get the opportunity to voice my opinion, so I make the most of it :):).

And luckily cooler gives me that opportunity very often :D.

The difference between 4-1, and 20-18 is night and day. Those were the examples given, so those were the examples used. Obviously there's no exact line at which point it crosses over, but you can just use common sense and work out for yourself whether a match was close enough to completion to get a fair idea of who was better on the day. Who could possibly know for sure how that HKO 06 match would have turned out if it had gone the full distance?

And still you're not getting the point - The difference between an official match, and a match which actually contributes to a halfway useful statistic. Yes, Taufik lost the match. Jeeezz I'm not denying that... I'm saying it's not useful to include it statistically IF you're going to use that statistic as basis for an argument (based on comparison).

speeding analogy was used because that's how insurance company rate the driver's potential risk of 'future' auto collision and damages:rolleyes:

OK, even if i just use the two score examples for statistical debate, my point is EVEN MORE valid:

(A) A 4-1 score is a 3 point spread, a 20-18 score is a 2 point spread. Since u accepted a WO at 20-18 score is a valid lost, the 4-1 score with the larger 3 point spread IS EVEN MORE indicative of a H2H lost

(B) TH earned 25% of game point (1 out of 4) before walking out. Since u accepted a WO at 20-18 is a valid lost, 18 point represent 90% of the game point. Why earning 90% of the game or 18 point is a lost but earning a measly 25% or 1 point is not a lost???

using pure statistical comparision as u had demanded, it clearly showed that your premise of 4-1 WO by TH as not being a valid data point for H2H comparison doesn't hold any truth. Actually, this statistical comparison supported my position even more so.

OK, even if i just use the two score examples for statistical debate, my point is EVEN MORE valid:

(A) A 4-1 score is a 3 point spread, a 20-18 score is a 2 point spread. Since u accepted a WO at 20-18 score is a valid lost, the 4-1 score with the larger 3 point spread IS EVEN MORE indicative of a H2H lost

(B) TH earned 25% of game point (1 out of 4) before walking out. Since u accepted a WO at 20-18 is a valid lost, 18 point represent 90% of the game point. Why earning 90% of the game or 18 point is a lost but earning a measly 25% or 1 point is not a lost???

using pure statistical comparision as u had demanded, it clearly showed that your premise of 4-1 WO by TH as not being a valid data point for H2H comparison doesn't hold any truth. Actually, this statistical comparison supported my position even more so.

Ok then, tell me, in a scientific experiment, what would be more likely? 5 tests, or 38?

In a test of probability - repeated 5? Or 38 times?

I think that's all I need to say.

speeding analogy was used because that's how insurance company rate the driver's potential risk of 'future' auto collision and damages:rolleyes:

The equivalent of which is what? The future risk of Taufik walking out???

Ok then, tell me, in a scientific experiment, what would be more likely? 5 tests, or 38?

In a test of probability - repeated 5? Or 38 times?

I think that's all I need to say.



The equivalent of which is what? The future risk of Taufik walking out???

1. seem like dont understand probability and odds. Next time, go ask a booky which odd of losing is higher, 1 in 4 or 18 to 20 LOL


2. equivalent to FUTURE CHANCE OF TH LOSING. :rolleyes:


u should pay me for all these statistic classes i've given u

LOL! Go LD, show us you're the real bad boy! LD will win this time.
LOLOL! LOL rules!!

1. seem like dont understand probability and odds. Next time, go ask a booky which odd of losing is higher, 1 in 4 or 18 to 20 LOL


2. equivalent to FUTURE CHANCE OF TH LOSING. :rolleyes:


u should pay me for all these statistic classes i've given u

1. Ahhhhh.... like talking to a brick wall. You get much more accurate idea if you have more numbers when you're dealing with probability. You don't even get what I'm saying do you?? >_>... Like for instance: Early numbers for US election count put John McCain ahead (when they just started counting), as the day went on, with more numbers it was obvious that Obama was winning by a mile.

2. Losing by walking out at the start of a game. It's not equivalent to a full match. Change the record...

By the way... Taufik was just leading 4-1 in the first set... but did he win it? No :).

By the way... Taufik was just leading 4-1 in the first set... but did he win it? No :).i also have said LD would be generous today. He let TH lead most of way, on both sets.

say what u want, odds say TH will lose and statistic was right, TH lost, again.

i also have said LD would be generous today. He let TH lead most of way, on both sets.

So what? What's that got to do with it? I didn't say anything about that :S.

say what u want, odds say TH will lose and statistic was right, TH lost, again.

I wasn't even talking about whether Taufik would win or lose! I just found counting the HKO 06 match in H2H ridiculous.

And yes you're absolutely right, statistics say that chances are Taufik would lose this one, whether you count the HKO 06 or not. But like I said, that's not what I was talking about. Why do I repeatedly have to clarify what I'm actually talking about? I feel I'm being clear enough...

By the way... Taufik was just leading 4-1 in the first set... but did he win it? No :).
yes, but there is one big difference, LD did not WO.:rolleyes:

So what? What's that got to do with it? I didn't say anything about that :S.
but i did, based on 06 HKO WO statistical record, even a WO one.

i also have said LD would be generous today. He let TH lead most of way, on both sets.

say what u want, odds say TH will lose and statistic was right, TH lost, again.
Stats tell a chilling tale :D
Everyone has bad H2H's against LD :D, barring Chen Hong and previously PSH, but now PSH has nothing over him.

but now PSH has nothing over him.

Exaggeration.

yes, but there is one big difference, LD did not WO.:rolleyes:

It's called a "what if" scenario. As in, "by your reasoning, how about this etc. etc.".

Exaggeration.

You can say that again when he actually beats LD in the future.
He had his moments in 07.

You can say that again when he actually beats LD in the future.
He had his moments in 07.

This is getting silly :). Guess I'll leave it here unless anyone has anything worthwhile to add.

You can say that again when he actually beats LD in the future.
He had his moments in 07.
it just show that some people are now conceding that LCW and TH can't do the job and now backing their new idol PSH to do the job

nice to chat with u taufik-ist, until we meet again here on BF for next LD vs TH match, i guess u will be sliding back into your hole:D:p