Did Lin Dan gave away HK OPEN MS final?

[HiddenPower]

I just watched HKOPEN MS Final, the match is between LinDan and ChenJin. I didn't see the fast pace and the sudden acceleration from LD at all. Not the same LD when he played against Taufik.

How many people think LD gave the 1st place away?

[ctjcad]

..our cooler might be able to give all of us a sound explanation or theory or thesis on this.....http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/3.gif

[cooler]

the answer is simple actually.

A1. TH doesn't play like CJ
A2. reason of lost is similar to that of why kkk/tbh lost to FUZZY, and XXF lost to WChen.

if kkk/tbh smash more they should win, if XXF run faster, she should win....

[Wildstone]

wow ... badminton is turning more like football matches now...

[cooler]

wow ... badminton is turning more like football matches now...people want badminton to be popular, right?

[limsy]

hmm...lin dan study to beat lcw...not others...

[cooler]

hmm...lin dan study to beat lcw...not others...wrong, lcw and misbun study to beat LD. LD can beat lcw, no hw required.

[limsy]

wrong, lcw and misbun study to beat LD. LD can beat lcw, no hw required.

hmm...u didnt hear wat gc say...didnt u???...:rolleyes:...:confused:...:eek:...

[george@chongwei]

the answer is simple actually.

A1. TH doesn't play like CJ
A2. reason of lost is similar to that of why kkk/tbh lost to FUZZY, and XXF lost to WChen.

if kkk/tbh smash more they should win, if XXF run faster, she should win....
what is it gotta do with xxf, kkk/tbh, fuzzy pair, and wang chen?:confused:
oh, maybe its your theory..;):D

[Karakalkat]

I just watched HKOPEN MS Final, the match is between LinDan and ChenJin. I didn't see the fast pace and the sudden acceleration from LD at all. Not the same LD when he played against Taufik.

How many people think LD gave the 1st place away?
At the top level there is not a lot of difference in players ability....winning is a lot mental and LD like all great players will find it hard to get UP for every match...some days your game just dont work the way you want...:D

[HiddenPower]

The 3rd set LD made so many errors, easy errors like hit it long, hit it outside. I see no desire in him to catch up, unlike when he played against Taufik...

[pjswift]

At the top level there is not a lot of difference in players ability....winning is a lot mental and LD like all great players will find it hard to get UP for every match...some days your game just dont work the way you want...:D
Agree, it's hard to get UP for every match at the top level.But when playing teammates, there' s very little 'mental' involved;they train enough to know each other's game so well there's no guessing needed.
LD looked like he played at n-2 gear with CJ.You think he would play this way if LCW had been in the final? LD would probably shift into n+2 gear against LCW to take no chances.(n denoting normal)
LD's loss helped to boost CJ's confidence,much needed since CJ 's form's been rather poor the last few tournaments.
Or LD's been generous to LCW. If LD had won, I would have thought LD would overtake LCW by a whisker to retake WR1 spot.Well,BAM maths was better this time.

[madbad]

I laugh to think that this thread was even started:rolleyes::cool:

[george@chongwei]

of course no..
if lin dan were to really gave away this hkopen ms final, then he will be just gave it away..example: concede a withdrawal..;)
but he did play his normal game that day and eventually lost to cj in 3 sets.

[madbad]

of course no..
if lin dan were to really gave away this hkopen ms final, then he will be just gave it away..example: concede a withdrawal..;)
but he did play his normal game that day and eventually lost to cj in 3 sets.

Come on George... really??... :cool:

[george@chongwei]

Come on George... really??... :cool:
eer, i was actually replying to the thread title;)
not untill u gave me a christmas present:D:D
any surprise christmas present for me?:p
and sorry for the off topic:D

[yen_saw]

LD didn't look so great vs CJ on the final, but it was a close fight. Maybe LD underestimate what his teammate.

[Wong8Egg]

The 3rd set LD made so many errors, easy errors like hit it long, hit it outside. I see no desire in him to catch up, unlike when he played against Taufik...

Let me wrap this up for you, it is a fixed match. Damn LYB :D

[danielwong]

nobody play to lost..
no point for LD to let CJ win
CJ and LD are training partners...
they knew each other well..
no suprise

[jasonmarc]

Let me wrap this up for you, it is a fixed match. Damn LYB :D

Sure it is........but i just feel pity for CJ..........he has qualitfied to Olympic 08 with LD help...not with his own hard work efforts....although he has the ability to do so........and in other ways.....he has to gave way in order to make sure his team wins titles.......and when he won a title............people tends to questioned about his win.........:crying::crying::crying:

I think CJ also not feeling good about it either!......as a world class badminton player.......he wanted to play to win...even has to play againts team mates........to play to qualified....but not with team mates helps.........with 100% sportmanship..........but its reality.....he has to obey team decisions......its really hard for him.......just pity him....:o:o

[Heong]

Sure it is........but i just feel pity for CJ..........he has qualitfied to Olympic 08 with LD help...not with his own hard work efforts....although he has the ability to do so........and in other ways.....he has to gave way in order to make sure his team wins titles.......and when he won a title............people tends to questioned about his win.........:crying::crying::crying:

I think CJ also not feeling good about it either!......as a world class badminton player.......he wanted to play to win...even has to play againts team mates........to play to qualified....but not with team mates helps.........with 100% sportmanship..........but its reality.....he has to obey team decisions......its really hard for him.......just pity him....:o:o
I agree with you. I also think that Chen Jin is being used by LYB, he is always ordered when to lose and when to win and is always the underdog behind Lin Dan.
This is definately a fixed match, Lin Dan was in such great form and was able to beat Lee Chong Wei in straight sets, but yet he lost to a player who happens to be in the same country. Coincidence? I think not

This cannot be accepted, BWF must do something about this, it's ruining the image of the sport and is a bad influence. They should always put the people from the same country on one side of the draw to make it fair for the other countries.

[Wong8Egg]

I agree with you. I also think that Chen Jin is being used by LYB, he is always ordered when to lose and when to win and is always the underdog behind Lin Dan.
This is definately a fixed match, Lin Dan was in such great form and was able to beat Lee Chong Wei in straight sets, but yet he lost to a player who happens to be in the same country. Coincidence? I think not

This cannot be accepted, BWF must do something about this, it's ruining the image of the sport and is a bad influence. They should always put the people from the same country on one side of the draw to make it fair for the other countries.


Fuzzy beat KKK/TBH who beat the MK/HS the OG champ and it is a boring match, so we can conclude ..... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[madbad]

Fuzzy beat KKK/TBH who beat the MK/HS the OG champ and it is a boring match, so we can conclude ..... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

... that MK was injured and played so as not to disappoint the crowd. MK gets it.

[bananakid]

Sure it is........but i just feel pity for CJ..........he has qualitfied to Olympic 08 with LD help...not with his own hard work efforts....although he has the ability to do so........and in other ways.....he has to gave way in order to make sure his team wins titles.......and when he won a title............people tends to questioned about his win.........:crying::crying::crying:

I think CJ also not feeling good about it either!......as a world class badminton player.......he wanted to play to win...even has to play againts team mates........to play to qualified....but not with team mates helps.........with 100% sportmanship..........but its reality.....he has to obey team decisions......its really hard for him.......just pity him....:o:o


Chen Jin's ranking prior to OG08 was among the top 5... if it wasn't because of the lame limitation rule, Chen Jin would have been in the OG without a doubt. How dare you say he didn't work for his qualification!!!:mad:

If CJ didn't deserve to be in the OG this year, at least another 26 players should not been there either.

[bananakid]

I agree with you. I also think that Chen Jin is being used by LYB, he is always ordered when to lose and when to win and is always the underdog behind Lin Dan.
This is definately a fixed match, Lin Dan was in such great form and was able to beat Lee Chong Wei in straight sets, but yet he lost to a player who happens to be in the same country. Coincidence? I think not

This cannot be accepted, BWF must do something about this, it's ruining the image of the sport and is a bad influence. They should always put the people from the same country on one side of the draw to make it fair for the other countries.

If BWF is to do 1 thing that actually CAN improve the image of the sport...

Instead of having short and skinny or chubby players(Fuzzy, Kido, LCW) leading the sport, we need players at least look like Lin Dan, Fu HaiFeng with decent height and muscular build... and prettier girls like Zhu Lin instead of Vita, Natsir, and the other tom boys from China. It's true even if it sounds harsh.. like it or not.:rolleyes:

[madbad]

If BWF is to do 1 thing that actually CAN improve the image of the sport...

Instead of having short and skinny or chubby players(Fuzzy, Kido, LCW) leading the sport, we need players at least look like Lin Dan, Fu HaiFeng with decent height and muscular build... and prettier girls like Zhu Lin instead of Vita, Natsir, and the other tom boys from China. It's true even if it sounds harsh.. like it or not.:rolleyes:

Zhu Lin, pretty? Hmmm.. questionable standards ;):D

[HiddenPower]

At least the game between LD and CJ was a good show, 3 sets, and CJ put in a lot of hard work in the end to win.

[cooler]

LOLOLOL reading all this.
Some of u doubters are really deep down hardcore LD fans. Your faith in LD to win every match, in every tournament, day in day out, is extremely noble and heart warming indeed..*sniff sniff*

I also observed that some of u are new (noobs) to the art of making conspiracy theory. Let me educate u a bit. To have a believable conspiracy, there must be a motive. Nobody like to risk money or reputation to pre-arrange events for free or of no return. So, let ask why should LYB wanna fix this match? The 2012 OG is still some 3.5 years away, is LYB that keen of preparing LD and CJ for the 2012 OG already?? LOL Unless you have a credible motive for LYB to fix this match, I can generate a better conspiracy theory LOL. Hmmm.
Since LD beat TH, Allah was displeased and with his supreme power, Allah disabled LD's 5th and 6th gears so CJ can take away LD's title. Allah wasn't done, allah also did it to XXF too. That's why LD and XXF look so sluggish in their final. At least, my doubt on LD's losing was is grounded on a motive based theory, unless of course, u can prove my theory is flawed.

[LazyBuddy]

he has qualitfied to Olympic 08 with LD help...not with his own hard work efforts....

Lol, what a ridiculous arguement... :(

CJ did not have hard work? Tell me this, even if LD gives you 10 matches, do you think you can get into OG? Oh wait, did I ask how u manage to get to semi or finals first? :eek::confused:

If you say CJ received help, then so do 90% of the OG paticipants. They received tons of help from CHN players like CH, CY, ZL, WL, WYH, ZTT, etc. All of such should play, instead of some ranking 70 or even 100 players. Same as for OG 04, XXF (WC runner up) and XXZ (WC champion for 2003) can only watch TV at home... So, I can tell that most of the participants recevied great help. Whether they are good enough or not, we all can tell. The most important is, they are NOT from the power houses. :cool:

[jasonmarc]

Chen Jin's ranking prior to OG08 was among the top 5... if it wasn't because of the lame limitation rule, Chen Jin would have been in the OG without a doubt. How dare you say he didn't work for his qualification!!!:mad:

If CJ didn't deserve to be in the OG this year, at least another 26 players should not been there either.

But,.....for a country to send 3 players to Olympic.....it has to be in among top 4 in WR......at that time....Chn have LD ( 1st WR) and BCL ( 3rd WR) already....so a 5th. WR for CJ is not enough to ensure the 3 slot for Chn....so LD has to help him.....by losing to him in ABC....... its true.....;)........accept it .....:D:D.....

[LazyBuddy]

But,.....for a country to send 3 players to Olympic.....it has to be in among top 4 in WR......at that time....Chn have LD ( 1st WR) and BCL ( 3rd WR) already....so a 5th. WR for CJ is not enough to ensure the 3 slot for Chn....so LD has to help him.....by losing to him in ABC....... its true.....;)........accept it .....:D:D.....

Regardless which nation s/he represents, the athletes need to train very hard for years to perform on the big stage. Just because CJ is from CHN, he should be purnished, and blamed for "not his own hardwork" when he was only 5th in the world.

Great, so, for the players who are 70th in rank, they are the hero of the world. For CHN team, if you are the 3rd or 4th best (ask Chen Yu, he will tell you how he thinks about OG rules), you are labeled as "not working hard enough"... :mad:

[LazyBuddy]

WR for CJ is not enough to ensure the 3 slot for Chn....so LD has to help him.....by losing to him in ABC....... its true.....;)........accept it .....:D:D.....

WR for most of the OG participants means they are suppose to be "not good enough"... so they cast a rule to let the powerhouses (especially CHN for recent years) to help them.... by simply block the better players to even enter the event.... it's true ... .... you have to suck it, enjoy it, and making fun of it..... then, blame CJ and who ever, say, "too bad lah, only 5th... not good... ooopps, I am only 70th, but i carry another flag lah..." :eek:

If you say the rule is the rule, and you have to suck it. Then, I tell you whether there's "help" from teammates or not, you have to suck it as well. :D

[cooler]

But,.....for a country to send 3 players to Olympic.....it has to be in among top 4 in WR......at that time....Chn have LD ( 1st WR) and BCL ( 3rd WR) already....so a 5th. WR for CJ is not enough to ensure the 3 slot for Chn....so LD has to help him.....by losing to him in ABC....... its true.....;)........accept it .....:D:D.....

LHI beat BCL ( WR #3) in the OG, and had beaten LD several times before , and yet CJ beat LHI in the OG. So CJ's bronze medal was a fluke?

[HiddenPower]

Well, the fans of LD can't compare to fans of Taufik or LCW - We accept the fact LD is not a God and can be defeated :).


In the final match, the performance of LD is really questionable compare to the match of Taufik. However, if this match is a fix, I can't see the motive for LD to lose, something like boost CJ's confidence (?) is kind hard to believe. CJ, on the other hand, played really hard.
Never mind about the match result, it's China vs China anyway. LD doesn’t need to prove himself any more, and CJ still has a long way to go.



LOLOLOL reading all this.
Some of u doubters are really deep down hardcore LD fans. Your faith in LD to win every match, in every tournament, day in day out, is extremely noble and heart warming indeed..*sniff sniff*

I also observed that some of u are new (noobs) to the art of making conspiracy theory. Let me educate u a bit. To have a believable conspiracy, there must be a motive. Nobody like to risk money or reputation to pre-arrange events for free or of no return. So, let ask why should LYB wanna fix this match? The 2012 OG is still some 3.5 years away, is LYB that keen of preparing LD and CJ for the 2012 OG already?? LOL Unless you have a credible motive for LYB to fix this match, I can generate a better conspiracy theory LOL. Hmmm.
Since LD beat TH, Allah was displeased and with his supreme power, Allah disabled LD's 5th and 6th gears so CJ can take away LD's title. Allah wasn't done, allah also did it to XXF too. That's why LD and XXF look so sluggish in their final. At least, my doubt on LD's losing was is grounded on a motive based theory, unless of course, u can prove my theory is flawed.

[Maximum]

anyhow, CJ have to work very hard n win matches before meeting LD so that LD can give him a win... so, CJ is a capable players compared to others.. If u said that CJ does not qualify for OG, think again... He did manage to beat alot of other players till final before meeting LD... If not, how can LD help him to qualify for OG if he lose in early rounds before meeting LD??? be fair to CJ, he works his way to qualify for OG n he deserves some credits for winning the HK open...

[jasonmarc]

LHI beat BCL ( WR #3) in the OG, and had beaten LD several times before , and yet CJ beat LHI in the OG. So CJ's bronze medal was a fluke?

I always think CJ is a top world class baddy player.....no doubt...

I only think CJ dont deserved to be treated like that.......people is thinking....if without LD help .....for his Olympic slot....he will never have a chance to win that bronze medal.....in BO 08......... Its so unfair to CJ.....:(

[george@chongwei]

Fuzzy beat KKK/TBH who beat the MK/HS the OG champ and it is a boring match, so we can conclude ..... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
and are u describing that match had been fixed ??:rolleyes:

[george@chongwei]

and prettier girls like Zhu Lin instead of Vita, Natsir, and the other tom boys from China. It's true even if it sounds harsh.. like it or not.:rolleyes:
let me continue this for u..>> and prettier, hot and sexy girls(:D) like charmaine reid from canada, nicole grether, carola bott ..etc..;);)

[george@chongwei]

Instead of having short and skinny or chubby players(Fuzzy, Kido, LCW) leading the sport[/B], we need players at least look like Lin Dan, Fu HaiFeng with decent height and muscular build... and prettier girls like Zhu Lin instead of Vita, Natsir, and the other tom boys from China. It's true even if it sounds harsh.. like it or not.:rolleyes:
although all these players u listed here are short, skinny or chubby players., but they do achieve many great achievements in tournaments..the most important thing is the 'determine' word in their mind..like it or not, they can still be a champion no matter what is their size, or weight, etc..:rolleyes:;)
and the conclusion is, everyone can play badminton and we dont just need players at least look like Lin Dan, Fu HaiFeng with decent height and muscular build to leads this sport...:cool:

[Shuttlekok]

To me, one sentence describes it all......

When China plays China in any finals, you know you are not going to get a good match.

[HaoFung]

HK open final was alright... not as outrageous as usual

CJ tried hard and LD played fairly well, you might not see the MUST WIN LD but his performance was far from being a give away...

[sjoe]

LHI beat BCL ( WR #3) in the OG, and had beaten LD several times before , and yet CJ beat LHI in the OG. So CJ's bronze medal was a fluke?

Well, I watched the game myself. May be not a fluke between CJ and LHI, it was a very good game in a very high standard. But please be fair dinkum about CJ and LD in Semi, is a ..... ? if you have seen the game and don't agree with me in this, I don't think you are a badminton player.

[cooler]

Well, I watched the game myself. May be not a fluke between CJ and LHI, it was a very good game in a very high standard. But please be fair dinkum about CJ and LD in Semi, is a ..... ? if you have seen the game and don't agree with me in this, I don't think you are a badminton player.
dunno which match ur talking about. dunno ....? means. I referenced to some other matches to make my point, i'm not here to analyze all of them in this thread. cj and ld in semi??? which semi?? create thread about it. This is 08 HKO thread.

[bananakid]

HK open final was alright... not as outrageous as usual

CJ tried hard and LD played fairly well, you might not see the MUST WIN LD but his performance was far from being a give away...

This is a very fair statement.

The whole time I was watching the match... I could see that Lin Dan wasn't attacking as much as he usually would against "most" other opponents. Lin Dan's style in the HK open final was more of the Bao ChunLai's style... more rally, less "sudden" attack. However, it was not so much that Lin Dan didn't even try to win... he did try, but not close to 100% at all.

[cooler]

To me, one sentence describes it all......

When China plays China in any finals, you know you are not going to get a good match.yup, when your MS hero isn't in the MS final, it can be boring to watch:rolleyes:

[cooler]

This is a very fair statement.

The whole time I was watching the match... I could see that Lin Dan wasn't attacking as much as he usually would against "most" other opponents. Lin Dan's style in the HK open final was more of the Bao ChunLai's style... more rally, less "sudden" attack. However, it was not so much that Lin Dan didn't even try to win... he did try, but not close to 100% at all. u see, those LD experts out there believed if LD doesn't play 100% (or more), it is a fixed match.

funny how no one questions on XXF lost to wang chen. Had xxf played 100%, she would easily beat WC. I guess this WS final was fixed too.

[Han]

Any conspiracy is possible but why blame the Chinese who seem to overcome obstacles and adcanced to Final playing against teamates? Heck, blame the rest of the power nations for not good enough to prevent this from happening makes more sense?

[sjoe]

dunno which match ur talking about. dunno ....? means. I referenced to some other matches to make my point, i'm not here to analyze all of them in this thread. cj and ld in semi??? which semi?? create thread about it. This is 08 HKO thread.

Sorry I refer to Beijing OG 08.

[bananakid]

One thing I forgot to mention earlier is the fact that Chen Jin did very well with his smash returns... most of the time, when he returned Lin Dan's smashes(very high percentage... I don't think Lin Dan had many smash winners that game) were very high quality cross court returns that Lin Dan could not follow up with a kill.

Chen Jin played very well, in terms of turning defense into offense, and I think that really made the difference in the match.

I believe Lin Dan did play alright... kinda like at the level when he lost to LCW in Japan open 07... using more less the Bao ChunLai's style of play(in fact, Bao was giving advice to Lin Dan in the Semi final of Japan open 07 against LCW). That sort of style where there are more sharp drops and clears doesn't seem to fit Lin Dan very well in my opinion.. but who am I to comment on Lin Dan's strategy? haha...

The match itself wasn't a give away, but Lin Dan just wasn't playing his usual style and the fact that Chen Jin played exceptionally well that day, too.:cool:

[bananakid]

u see, those LD experts out there believed if LD doesn't play 100% (or more), it is a fixed match.

funny how no one questions on XXF lost to wang chen. Had xxf played 100%, she would easily beat WC. I guess this WS final was fixed too.


May be there is some mis-communication here... did I mention anything about the match being fixed by any chance???

All that I said was Lin Dan didn't play as good as he could... he was a bit slow on retrieving some of those attacking clears that Chen Jin did... unless the shuttle speed of Chen Jin's clears were so fast that even Lin Dan got caught off-guard, but I don't recall the last time, Lin Dan had to bent his back so much just to retrieve an attacking clear.

[cooler]

May be there is some mis-communication here... did I mention anything about the match being fixed by any chance???

All that I said was Lin Dan didn't play as good as he could... he was a bit slow on retrieving some of those attacking clears that Chen Jin did... unless the shuttle speed of Chen Jin's clears were so fast that even Lin Dan got caught off-guard, but I don't recall the last time, Lin Dan had to bent his back so much just to retrieve an attacking clear.
hehe, last post wasn't directed at u. Maybe i left out the ;) :D
i was just adding onto your post:D

cj read ld's smashes pretty well, maybe ld kinda look like out of idea.

[bananakid]

u see, those LD experts out there believed if LD doesn't play 100% (or more), it is a fixed match.

funny how no one questions on XXF lost to wang chen. Had xxf played 100%, she would easily beat WC. I guess this WS final was fixed too.


Actually in my opinion... if XXF is really considering about retiring from China's national team, then she really SHOULD lose the match on purpose. China team wants to keep the potential winners, and if XXF continues to show that she is capable of winning and still performs better than the juniors, then it will be difficult for her to receive permission to leave the team.

However, if she loses a lot then she doesn't even need to ASK... and instead she will be ASKED to leave instead. haha... the only exception I have seen so far is in BAM of Malaysia, where they keep "losers" around longer than they should. LOL:p

[bananakid]

hehe, last post wasn't directed at u. Maybe i left out the ;) :D
i was just adding onto your post:D

cj read ld's smashes pretty well, maybe ld kinda look like out of idea.


If you go back and watch the match between Lin Dan and Chen Yu back in the World cup of 2006... even as a teammate, Chen Yu had no chance of predicting Lin Dan's smashes, or mostly anything Lin Dan did with an overhead stroke. That's how good Lin Dan should be.

However, recently Lin Dan's smashes had been read quite a few times by other players.. eg. LCW(at the recent China open08) read a couple of Lin Dan smashes at half court... literally you could see that LCW was not just guessing which side LD was going to smash... he knew it. It was never the case in the past... Lin Dan would be able to see clearly where his opponent is moving and smash accordingly... but the 3 months vacation seemed to have an impact of him, too.

[limsy]

suddenly...we saw two one the same side having a war???

[cooler]

suddenly...we saw two one the same side having a war???
u wish............:p

[ye333]

I think LCW still is guessing. Because there are times when he moved to the wrong side. Anyway, it depends on how you define guessing.

It's interesting to compare MSF with MDSF of KKK/TBH vs Fuzzy.

1. Both are very boring matches (I didn't even bother to download MSF, and regret my decision of downloading MDSF).

2. Both have unbearably boring and one-sided first two games, and somewhat boring 3rd games.

3. In both matches, the "upper" side looked not motivated/tired/absent-minded (KKK/TBH, in particular TBH, in MDSF, LD in MSF).

4. It's hard to find motivation for match-fixing for both matches.

My personal take is that LD vs CJ is not fixed. Just for some reason (too tired for example) LD played quite below par.




However, recently Lin Dan's smashes had been read quite a few times by other players.. eg. LCW(at the recent China open08) read a couple of Lin Dan smashes at half court... literally you could see that LCW was not just guessing which side LD was going to smash... he knew it. It was never the case in the past... Lin Dan would be able to see clearly where his opponent is moving and smash accordingly... but the 3 months vacation seemed to have an impact of him, too.

[pjswift]

Fuzzy beat KKK/TBH who beat the MK/HS the OG champ and it is a boring match, so we can conclude ..... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
That was such a poor match and both MDs showed disinterest.It's like there's prior coach order to each win one game quickly and let the 3rd game decide the winner.Looks like MAS MD coach has caught on the LYB disease.Shame on MAS MD coach.

[XtC-604]

LOLOLOL reading all this.
Some of u doubters are really deep down hardcore LD fans. Your faith in LD to win every match, in every tournament, day in day out, is extremely noble and heart warming indeed..*sniff sniff*

I also observed that some of u are new (noobs) to the art of making conspiracy theory. Let me educate u a bit. To have a believable conspiracy, there must be a motive. Nobody like to risk money or reputation to pre-arrange events for free or of no return. So, let ask why should LYB wanna fix this match? The 2012 OG is still some 3.5 years away, is LYB that keen of preparing LD and CJ for the 2012 OG already?? LOL Unless you have a credible motive for LYB to fix this match, I can generate a better conspiracy theory LOL. Hmmm.
Since LD beat TH, Allah was displeased and with his supreme power, Allah disabled LD's 5th and 6th gears so CJ can take away LD's title. Allah wasn't done, allah also did it to XXF too. That's why LD and XXF look so sluggish in their final. At least, my doubt on LD's losing was is grounded on a motive based theory, unless of course, u can prove my theory is flawed.
Ghahaha cooler, you are my new idol : D


yup, when your MS hero isn't in the MS final, it can be boring to watch:rolleyes:
Yup as always, cooler's on a streak again. nice and subtle, i wonder what your hinting to :D


Actually in my opinion... if XXF is really considering about retiring from China's national team, then she really SHOULD lose the match on purpose. China team wants to keep the potential winners, and if XXF continues to show that she is capable of winning and still performs better than the juniors, then it will be difficult for her to receive permission to leave the team.

However, if she loses a lot then she doesn't even need to ASK... and instead she will be ASKED to leave instead. haha... the only exception I have seen so far is in BAM of Malaysia, where they keep "losers" around longer than they should. LOL:p
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