Korea Open 2009: Day 6 (Finals) Sunday January 18

[ctjcad]

..they were going for their 6 straight SS title..The SS Masters Final in KK wasn't a SS tourney. Rather, it was a culmination tourney (invitation) of the entire 12 SS tourneys; different no. of participants, different purpose, different playing format, different prize money & definitely different type of atmosphere.

[yd0911]

LCW lost to PG, TR win over PHY, CWH/CYC win over LKW/LHJ, LYD/LHJ win over SA/KW, but how about LYD/JJS?

[yd0911]

Yong-dae/Jae-sung lost? :crying::crying::crying:

[limsy]

well...a really big upset day...many player didnt play to their expectation...

[eRa@에라]

yup major upsets... homeground doesnt give korean much advantage...

[CLELY]

Wow Danish shuttlers dominate final show today in Seoul, fantastic. Three titles through Tine, Peter and Boe/Mogensen, congratz! Not a big day for the host, only 1 title which delivered by the Olympic Champ Young Dae/Hyo Jung...

[phaarix]

What a great day for Denmark! Boe/Mogensen must have been playing pretty well to beat LYD/JJS at home.

[ALAL79]

lee yong dae must change partner....

[Jagdpanther]

LCW is not beatable in 3 sets -- he will come home strongly I am sure.


If they don't bring back LD soon, it will be very boring. Or, maybe it wouldn't make any difference.


LCW must be toying with his opponents these days to sharpen up for the ALL-ENGLAND. He likes to take it easy and go for the 3 sets. He is showing how confident he is by going 3 sets.


Yes it is really boring, he keeps thrashing everyone. 'yawn'.

Wooo-yeah. :rolleyes:

Who knows, maybe it's your overconfidence that jinx LCW.

Sorry, Malaysian friends.
No hard feelings. I highly admire LCW, but I have impression that aside of LD, this guy thinks that other shuttlers are toys for LCW.

[limsy]

well...this is a good sight for ms...lin dan have lcw to force him become better...lcw have pg to force him become better...nicer...

[Johnny]

Wooo-yeah. :rolleyes:

Who knows, maybe it's your overconfidence that jinx LCW.

Sorry, Malaysian friends.
No hard feelings. I highly admire LCW, but I have impression that aside of LD, this guy thinks that other shuttlers are toys for LCW.

Hehe...

X Ball must be happy - now not so boring :D

[jutawin]

at least we can see European players win titles more than Asian player..
it can be competitive next..
Next tournament is All England, the oldest & the most prestiguos super series..
hope INDONESIA players at their top performance at this tournament..
all the top players will take part, it's hard to predict who will win..
AYO, INDONESIA.. KALIAN BISA.. BUKTIKAN..
http://mega.xtremenitro.org/bigpaopaobing/smiley/sinar_penghancur.gif (http://www.xtremenitro.org)

[limsy]

at least we can see European players win titles more than Asian player..
it can be competitive next..
Next tournament is All England, the oldest & the most prestiguos super series..
hope INDONESIA players at their top performance at this tournament..
all the top players will take part, it's hard to predict who will win..
AYO, INDONESIA.. KALIAN BISA.. BUKTIKAN..
http://mega.xtremenitro.org/bigpaopaobing/smiley/sinar_penghancur.gif (http://www.xtremenitro.org)


haha...hope by then..sdk,kido and ss is all injury free and no sickness...:D

[ai peng]

haiz ...
congrate 2 peter gade...

[limsy]

haiz ...
congrate 2 peter gade...

welcome here...my friend...pls introduce urself in the introduction section...:D...enjoy urself here...

[Isegrim]

lee yong dae must change partner....

you have to make a suggestion
hwang ji man or lee jae jin are the only alternatives..
but i dont think this will be very sensible.

[jutawin]

you have to make a suggestion
hwang ji man or lee jae jin are the only alternatives..
but i dont think this will be very sensible.
Lee jae jin have already retired..
LYD should find younger partner than JJS..

[eaglehelang]

i wonder why ur live stream so slow???mine now 19 all


you have to make a suggestion
hwang ji man or lee jae jin are the only alternatives..
but i dont think this will be very sensible.

Lee JJ already left the national squad. Hwang may have a new partner in Han Sang Hoon, they played for MO but Han partnered Shin for KO.

Suggestions have been that perhaps Cho GUn Woo is a better partner for LYD.
CUrrently Cho is partnering Yoo Yeon Seong to become Korea no 3 MD.

[jutawin]

JJS make many errors today.
we cannot judge player just from one match he lost..
there are many matches he played better than LYD..

[THEbaschti]

What a great day for Denmark! Boe/Mogensen must have been playing pretty well to beat LYD/JJS at home.
Yess indeed! I'm very happy they were able to take 3 titles home and especially that finally Peter got his win over LCW ;) Congratz Denmark!

[ALAL79]

JJS make many errors today.
we cannot judge player just from one match he lost..
there are many matches he played better than LYD..

JJS always makes many error, especially when defending. I think he is not good enough to partner LYD.

JJS is like a burden for LYD...

[ALAL79]

Yess indeed! I'm very happy they were able to take 3 titles home and especially that finally Peter got his win over LCW ;) Congratz Denmark!

Finally, PG make achieve his target of defeating LCW.

Maybe PG can retire?

[ALAL79]

haha...hope by then..sdk,kido and ss is all injury free and no sickness...:D

Do indonesia got many virus? Why are their players always sick or injured?

[eRa@에라]

why they injured? >>>> fall, landing incorrectly, sprain, got it during training/matches.. etc etc...and despite having those, still wanna keep playing... in short, definitely not virus effect

or sick? >>> should be weather thing or, health issue... again... not sure if it's virus thing... :) might be... but this apply to all of us also if we don't take care of ourselves :D

[Isegrim]

oh i didnt know lee jae jin has retired
its like a shock to me because
i always liked lee jae jin/hwang ji man :(

[badadum]

Homeground advantage has proven to be a misnomer so far. Both MAS and KOR only able to win 1 title in their respective home SS, while other foreign team won 3 each.

[chris-ccc]

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It's better to return home to read the ongoing scores given by our BCers (as the matches were progressing) than to go straight to tournamentsoftware to get the final scores.

Thank you to all who have posted the ongoing scores, especially to ctjcad who did the bulk of it.

So, LCW didn't win (All PAWers should be surprised :p). Well Done to Peter Gade.
The other BIG surprise was that JJS/LYD didn't win too.

Congratulations to DEN for winning 3 titles.

But truly, all players who have made it to the Finals ought to be congratulated.
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[singhzico]

:)
all the best to chong wei tomorrow!:)
hope he eats more satay to become more aggresive and fitter in the cold windy korea;):D:D:D
PG might be dangerous to him too because PG does not need to play today after SS withdrawal..maybe he have extra energy;)
anyway, i expect this match will be an exciting 1..
let the match begin!:p
:):) u are so funny

[ants]

Msian team will go to England early in preparation for All England.

[joelabb]

After their long break I hope Malaysian MDs will do well at AE. Hope Dato LCW can win AE after this defeat :) Also I hope Dato Misbun get better and can guide him at AE.

[leonardklh]

when will malaysia team go to england?

[chris-ccc]

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Badminton is becoming more popular in Korea.

An article from The Korea Times, by By Kim Jae-won: click here (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/01/136_38058.html)


Smashing Champions
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/upload/news/090118_p20_champions.jpg


Beijing Olympic gold medallist Lee Yong-dae, right, smashes the shuttlecock in a match against Thai mixed doubles duo Songphon Anugritayawon and Kunchala Voravichitchaikul in the Super Series Korea Open in Seoul Sunday. Lee, paired with Lee Hyo-jung, took the title for the second straight year after beating their opponents 2-0 (21-8, 21-7). / Yonhap
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[jchan04]

Finally, PG make achieve his target of defeating LCW.

Maybe PG can retire?
nah PG is half way there, he promised to beat to Lin Dan and Lee Chong Wei, so technically... he's half-way through his goal already! =]

[phaarix]

It's better to return home to read the ongoing scores given by our BCers (as the matches were progressing) than to go straight to tournamentsoftware to get the final scores.

Thank you to all who have posted the ongoing scores, especially to ctjcad who did the bulk of it.

Yeah I do that sometimes too :D. Some people are so good at "commentating" that reading it later is like it's happening live all over again!

[X Ball]

Wooo-yeah. :rolleyes:

Who knows, maybe it's your overconfidence that jinx LCW.

Sorry, Malaysian friends.
No hard feelings. I highly admire LCW, but I have impression that aside of LD, this guy thinks that other shuttlers are toys for LCW.


My overconfidence jinxed LCW ? Is it possible ? Ok, maybe a good attempt at a joke, even though a naive one.:)

I am glad PG stepped up and won albeit the fact that he had a good rest the day before whereas LCW didn't.

But please don't put out words that I didn't say : "toys for LCW" ? A smart person would know it is just friendly 'rubbishing' (me having a bit of fun), so please don't be so serious and try to pin on me the 'death sentence'.;)

[X Ball]

Hehe...

X Ball must be happy - now not so boring :D

I am happy for PG - he knew he had the advantage of a day's rest over LCW and he took it. A sign of a very intelligent guy. I watched the game and yes, it was not boring.:D

[chris-ccc]

I am happy for PG - he knew he had the advantage of a day's rest over LCW and he took it. A sign of a very intelligent guy. I watched the game and yes, it was not boring.:D



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:D:D:D That's for sure, and I agree with you ...
(1) PG did play well
(2) LCW is not unbeatable
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[X Ball]

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:D:D:D That's for sure, and I agree with you ...
(1) PG did play well
(2) LCW is not unbeatable
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Yes I did say LCW is unbeatable in the MO.:D The KO is different kettle of fish - PG was in-form and had a day's rest (even I knew, b4 the game started, it would work against LCW).

LCW played well but made a lot of unforced errors trying to outfox PG - he was trying too hard (e.g. playing the shuttle too long quite a few times).

So many factors can change a match. Hopefully, this win would give PG added incentive to work harder for the AE. But LCW is still going to be hard to beat in the AE.

As for the Chinese, it will be even harder as it is inconceivable to come back straight from a 'spell' and be immediately match fit (in terms of temperament).

[Pemuda]

Yes I did say LCW is unbeatable in the MO.:D The KO is different kettle of fish - PG was in-form and had a day's rest (even I knew, b4 the game started, it would work against LCW).

Yes, KO is held not in Malaysia and for a jagoh kampung it will be tough to win away from home.


So many factors can change a match. Hopefully, this win would give PG added incentive to work harder for the AE. But LCW is still going to be hard to beat in the AE.

Errr ... the AE is a big tournament. It is not some NGP or Kedah Open, mind you.

LCW dont have the mental strength to cope with the big boys in a big tournament.


As for the Chinese, it will be even harder as it is inconceivable to come back straight from a 'spell' and be immediately match fit (in terms of temperament).

Wanna have a side bet on this one?

[OneToughBirdie]

Yes I did say LCW is unbeatable in the MO.:D The KO is different kettle of fish - PG was in-form and had a day's rest (even I knew, b4 the game started, it would work against LCW).

LCW played well but made a lot of unforced errors trying to outfox PG - he was trying too hard (e.g. playing the shuttle too long quite a few times).

So many factors can change a match. Hopefully, this win would give PG added incentive to work harder for the AE. But LCW is still going to be hard to beat in the AE.

As for the Chinese, it will be even harder as it is inconceivable to come back straight from a 'spell' and be immediately match fit (in terms of temperament).

I would concur with you LCW is among the favorites for AE but I do not share your optimisim LD, CJ and pretty Bao are not match ready...just check out CO and HK. Maybe Bao is suspect (we will find out after the 1st round), CJ and LD are among favorites to win;)
Hey, btw, LCW did quite well,I reckon Dato earn >RM600K between August 08 to Jan 16 09, not bad payday;)

[X Ball]

Yes, KO is held not in Malaysia and for a jagoh kampung it will be tough to win away from home.



Errr ... the AE is a big tournament. It is not some NGP or Kedah Open, mind you.

LCW dont have the mental strength to cope with the big boys in a big tournament.



Wanna have a side bet on this one?


I thought they got rid of you.:D

AE is a big tournament but remember who won it (no prize for a correct guess !)?:rolleyes::D

Side bets don't mean anything to me coz I don't get to collect - I can't remember how many bets I won from the Indonesian brothers, and I didn't get to collect.

I cannot do bets like yours : 'going bald' because I need to look good with my hair on.:D

[X Ball]

I would concur with you LCW is among the favorites for AE but I do not share your optimisim LD, CJ and pretty Bao are not match ready...just check out CO and HK. Maybe Bao is suspect (we will find out after the 1st round), CJ and LD are among favorites to win;)
Hey, btw, LCW did quite well,I reckon Dato earn >RM600K between August 08 to Jan 16 09, not bad payday;)

I think the Korean player, LYD, earns quite a bit too with his doubles and mixed doubles winnings throughout last year and this.

As I said, it is hard for the chinese but not impossible of course to win the AE. I love to be proven wrong. Coming back from not playing with the regular guys in the circuit is always going to be tough going - I am definitely not convinced it will be anyone from the Chinese camp to win the AE.

[Pemuda]

My overconfidence jinxed LCW ? Is it possible ? Ok, maybe a good attempt at a joke, even though a naive one.:)

I am glad PG stepped up and won albeit the fact that he had a good rest the day before whereas LCW didn't.

But please don't put out words that I didn't say : "toys for LCW" ? A smart person would know it is just friendly 'rubbishing' (me having a bit of fun), so please don't be so serious and try to pin on me the 'death sentence'.;)

** Bang!!! ** Someone shot himself in the foot again. :D

No prob la with those friendly 'rubbishing'. Here have another humble pie.

[X Ball]

** Bang!!! ** Someone shot himself in the foot again. :D

No prob la with those friendly 'rubbishing'. Here have another humble pie.



Haha, they should really get rid of you.:D

[Pemuda]

I thought they got rid of you.:D

AE is a big tournament but remember who won it (no prize for a correct guess !)?:rolleyes::D

Side bets don't mean anything to me coz I don't get to collect - I can't remember how many bets I won from the Indonesian brothers, and I didn't get to collect.

I cannot do bets like yours : 'going bald' because I need to look good with my hair on.:D

Enjoy that humble pie ...

[bananakid]

Wanna have a side bet on this one?



I cannot do bets like yours : 'going bald' because I need to look good with my hair on.

Hey Pemuda,
You are betting a lot on this one...
Your reward is like 1/5 on this one. In order to be completely bald, you will have to lose at least 5 pieces per 1 piece of hair off X Ball... making X Ball's reward % at possibly 500% or more(of course only if he wins, that is)

Here is the proof... the furtherest one to your right. :p

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46870

[limsy]

sigh...some ppls never learn their lesson...

[X Ball]

Hey Pemuda,
You are betting a lot on this one...
Your reward is like 1/5 on this one. In order to be completely bald, you will have to lose at least 5 pieces per 1 piece of hair off X Ball... making X Ball's reward % at possibly 500% or more(of course only if he wins, that is)

Here is the proof... the furtherest one to your right. :p

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46870

Show us what you look like. Pin your photo here. You are probably 1/10 of what I have :D

[george@chongwei]

hmm, i have to admit that pg played 1 of his best matches in his career yesterday;)
his shot and gameplay is superb..
anyway, that match was very exciting and superb i would say besides the md match of course;)

[george@chongwei]

congrats to team denmark for clinching 3 titles in korea yesterday!:)
boe/morgensen..the suitable pair to replace eriksen/lundgaard. for sure:)!
korea must be under pressure already on their own homegrown yesterday during the md and wd category respectively..;)

[ctjcad]

hmm, i have to admit that pg played 1 of his best matches in his career yesterday;)
his shot and gameplay is superb..
anyway, that match was very exciting and superb i would say besides the md match of course;)
..my mind wandered off and the thought of you probably on the edge of your seat & having kan cheong moments, while watching the 3rd game of the MS match, crossed my mind...;)
Were you thinking LCW already got the MS title in the bag after he won the 2nd game?? I certainly did..:p
The MD match was fantastic, esp. the 2nd game!:cool:

[george@chongwei]

..my mind wandered off and the thought of you probably on the edge of your seat & having kan cheong moments, while watching the 3rd game of the MS match, crossed my mind...;)
Were you thinking LCW already got the MS title in the bag after he won the 2nd game?? I certainly did..:p
The MD match was fantastic, esp. the 2nd game!:cool:
ya , sure..i have some kan cheong moment too when watching that ms match;):D
after lcw had won the 3rd set, i have a strong feeling and honestly feel that pg will give his all out to win the match..and eventually he did:D
anyway, im shocked that the korean wd played so poorly especially in the 2nd set..what happen to them??:(

[limsy]

after lcw had won the 3rd set

OH...SO...HE WON???...then why pg on the top of the podium eh???:rolleyes:

[Pemuda]

Hey Pemuda,
You are betting a lot on this one...
Your reward is like 1/5 on this one. In order to be completely bald, you will have to lose at least 5 pieces per 1 piece of hair off X Ball... making X Ball's reward % at possibly 500% or more(of course only if he wins, that is)

Here is the proof... the furtherest one to your right. :p

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46870

What a dashing chap this X Ball is. :eek:

[Jagdpanther]

Whew...
MS, hot Peter and Joachim.
WS, got Tine.
MD, got Lars/Jonas, Boe/Morgensen, and perhaps Rasmus/Mikkel.
WD, got Kamilla/Lena-Frier and Helle/Marie.
XD, got Thomas/Kamilla and Joachim/Christinna.

Denmark is surely become a serious contender for the upcoming Sudirman Cup!

[george@chongwei]

OH...SO...HE WON???...then why pg on the top of the podium eh???:rolleyes:
sorry, typo error there.:(
'so nobody is perfect, everyone will makes a mistake too'.:D
have u learn your lesson now, limsy?:p

[limsy]

sorry, typo error there.:(
'so nobody is perfect, everyone will makes a mistake too'.:D
have u learn your lesson now, limsy?:p

i know anyone will make mistake...tats why...i always take note of tat...and...i will try to overcome the problem...not like someone...forgiving and forgeting the mistake...;)

[george@chongwei]

i know anyone will make mistake...tats why...i always take note of tat...and...i will try to overcome the problem...not like someone...forgiving and forgeting the mistake...;)
we must forgive and forget too..thats the bible teaching:D
ya dunno???:D:D:D

[limsy]

we must forgive and forget too..thats the bible teaching:D
ya dunno???:D:D:D

...then..dont feel sad when lcw been shoot by ppl...as jaguh kampung...;)...

[Han]

While it was disappointed that Chong Wei lost but we still should respect him for the effort he put in. Playing at such a fast pace can cause lots of un-force errors hence the lost. I don't think is such a devastating lost for Chong Wei as he has grown more mature compare to 2006, handling things better and still working as hard as he can(I hope we can say that about Hafiz).
Take the lost as incentive to motivate himself do better in the coming All England and World Championship which eludes him for a while. To put Chong Wei in the same league as Lin Dan, Chong Wei has to win these two titles.
We should still stand behind and fully support Chong Wei.

[X Ball]

While it was disappointed that Chong Wei lost but we still should respect him for the effort he put in. Playing at such a fast pace can cause lots of un-force errors hence the lost. I don't think is such a devastating lost for Chong Wei as he has grown more mature compare to 2006, handling things better and still working as hard as he can(I hope we can say that about Hafiz).
Take the lost as incentive to motivate himself do better in the coming All England and World Championship which eludes him for a while. To put Chong Wei in the same league as Lin Dan, Chong Wei has to win these two titles.
We should still stand behind and fully support Chong Wei.


Don't worry. We know it is a slight setback - am happy he made the KO Finals.

Also knows he is tired but put on a very determined fight against PG, who was itching to beat LCW. The 3rd set was the determining factor. Had LCW won the 1st, it would have been a different story - but of course, 'hindsight' type of suggestions here always incur the wrath of certain people.

Generally, I guess it was satisfactory but given the break before AE, LCW should recuperate and sizzle again. The one thing working for LCW is his great fitness and he has not loss his speed (although it does create unforced errors when one is tired).

We will all take a break for the CNY. Kong Xi Fatt Chai !

[eaglehelang]

Well...., the WR# 1, no 2, no 3 MD also didnt win, with the Koreans being the fav (also reflected in PAW games)- on home ground & after having great runs recently.
Same as WR#1 XD, OG silver medalist (losing to India to boot) and right after having a successful run in MO. WR#1 WS didnt win (they wouldnt be WR#1 anymore come thursday, i think), the WR#2 WS was the only one who managed to win both MO & KO.
The WR#3 WD won & fulfilled their ranking, but was considered a surprised as the Korean WD was the fav (also after a successful run in MO).

:p:p:D

[limsy]

While it was disappointed that Chong Wei lost but we still should respect him for the effort he put in. Playing at such a fast pace can cause lots of un-force errors hence the lost. I don't think is such a devastating lost for Chong Wei as he has grown more mature compare to 2006, handling things better and still working as hard as he can(I hope we can say that about Hafiz).
Take the lost as incentive to motivate himself do better in the coming All England and World Championship which eludes him for a while. To put Chong Wei in the same league as Lin Dan, Chong Wei has to win these two titles.
We should still stand behind and fully support Chong Wei.


well...i agree tat he is doing well on POINT WINNING RALLY...he did improved yet again...after what i saw in mo 09...but...the unforce error costed the game...hope he back in grerater play in ae...;)...

[Emma Watson]

lol..datuk lee chong wei lose!!!!!!!
haiz..he just can only win in his own country...
in other country,he just can be a runner up...
haha..quite a weird luck....
haha.....haha...

[george@chongwei]

...then..dont feel sad when lcw been shoot by ppl...as jaguh kampung...;)...
my reaction will be same as if ppl blast your favorite ws or md or your idol..;)

[limsy]

my reaction will be same as if ppl blast your favorite ws or md or your idol..;)

if u will feel bad...then...why u forgive and forget when he doing wrong???:rolleyes:

[eaglehelang]

lol..datuk lee chong wei lose!!!!!!!
haiz..he just can only win in his own country...
in other country,he just can be a runner up...
haha..quite a weird luck....
haha.....haha...

LOL, as I recall, LCW was also 2007 Indonesia, Japan, France SS winner and 2008 Spore SS winner, that's just counting SS titles. :p:D

[limsy]

LOL, as I recall, LCW was also 2007 Indonesia, Japan, France SS winner and 2008 Spore SS winner, that's just counting SS titles. :p:D

are he wr 1 tat time???;)

[eaglehelang]

are he wr 1 tat time???;)

That's not the main point the person was pointing out, as you very well know ;)

[Pemuda]

lol..datuk lee chong wei lose!!!!!!!
haiz..he just can only win in his own country...
in other country,he just can be a runner up...
haha..quite a weird luck....
haha.....haha...

I believe you meant LCW have never won a title outside Malaysia as the world #1.

[hcyong]

CEH/WPT have never won any titles outside Malaysia as WR #1 also. Those jaguh kampungs!!! Unbelievable!!

[chris-ccc]

lol..datuk lee chong wei lose!!!!!!!
haiz..he just can only win in his own country...
in other country,he just can be a runner up...
haha..quite a weird luck....
haha.....haha...



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Perhaps, it is LCW's weird luck. But LCW is not unbeatable.

LCW is ranked World No.1 because he has a consistency to beat most players.
Even though he might lose at the Final, he is still ranked No.1.

In the past, present, or future, it is not a surprise to find a World No.1 (in any sports) who could never win a title in his/her career (need to do a search for this). :):):)
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[eaglehelang]

CEH/WPT have never won any titles outside Malaysia as WR #1 also. Those jaguh kampungs!!! Unbelievable!!

Hahaha, WPT/CEH only went up to be WR#1 during MO 2009, their 1st time ever. They did not participate KO, so they couldnt 'defend' this status :D. This week Taiwan WD, the newly crowned KO champ, will be WR#1.

[Pemuda]

CEH/WPT???!! :eek: hahahaha lol

WR1 ... Malaysia Boleh!!! :D

[Pemuda]

I recalled someone here proudly declared that in terms of badminton Asian countries are 'far ahead' than the European countries.

Well, if Asia is far ahead ... how come in the recently concluded KO, Denmark walked away with 3 titles???

Unbelievable!!!

[jump_smashing]

congratulations to the winner & the finalist ... great job + well done :-)
without them, we couldnt see any good matches :-p

Hope also in the future that more Professional Players participated in the tournament.
So ... this is kind a marketing for BADMINTON, make BADMINTON more famous in the world ;-)

[Jagdpanther]

I recalled someone here proudly declared that in terms of badminton Asian countries are 'far ahead' than the European countries.

Well, if Asia is far ahead ... how come in the recently concluded KO, Denmark walked away with 3 titles???

Unbelievable!!!
Uhm, in last 3 Olympic Games (2000, 2004, and 2008), all badminton gold medals were nicely swept by Asian countries.

Can we see it that way?

[badadum]

Uhm, in last 3 Olympic Games (2000, 2004, and 2008), all badminton gold medals were nicely swept by Asian countries.

Can we see it that way?

Not to mention one of the perennial giant is not sending their national squad, as well as lack of participation from several of INA and MAS top players (injury, sickness,etc). One must be blind in order for them to not notice that. :rolleyes:

[Jagdpanther]

CEH/WPT have never won any titles outside Malaysia as WR #1 also. Those jaguh kampungs!!! Unbelievable!!


I believe you meant LCW have never won a title outside Malaysia as the world #1.

I have a suggestion: How about replacing that 'have never won' phrase with 'still haven't yet won'?
Y'know, to give an optimistic tone.

[chris-ccc]

I have a suggestion: How about replacing that 'have never won' phrase with 'still haven't yet won'?
Y'know, to give an optimistic tone.



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Totally agree ... It won't be long before LCW and/or CEH/WPT (all ranked World No.1 currently) to win away from Malaysia, while holding their top positions.
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[Pemuda]

Uhm, in last 3 Olympic Games (2000, 2004, and 2008), all badminton gold medals were nicely swept by Asian countries.

Can we see it that way?

I believe the statement was 'Asia is far ahead of Europe'. My point is if Asia is that 'far ahead', how come the Danes took 3 titles in the KO?? Of course one can take the bitter route and say that in that competition, INA players were injured, no mood etc etc and all.

Good you mentioned the Olympics! Well, despite Denmark being 'far behind', they have won that Olympic gold before. And since we are on that big titles subject, Denmark, England and Sweden despite being 'far behind' have also notched a couple of WCs while a badminton giant like Malaysia is still figuring out how to actually win one despite all the Malaysia Boleh chants and cheering coupled with chest thumping;). As for the AE, em' Europeans have won it a couple of times too despite Asia being 'far ahead'.

[Pemuda]

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Totally agree ... It won't be long before LCW and/or CEH/WPT (all ranked World No.1 currently) to win away from Malaysia, while holding their top positions.
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Well, if they participate in the Phillippines or Zimbabwe Open, they may win their first title outside Malaysia.

[Pemuda]

I have a suggestion: How about replacing that 'have never won' phrase with 'still haven't yet won'?
Y'know, to give an optimistic tone.

I am all for optimism!:D

Sure, Datuk LCW 'still havent yet won' a title outside Malaysia as the WR1.

In the same vein, I also like to add that Indonesia & Malaysia too 'still havent yet won' the football world cup. ;)

[badadum]

Lets see....# of TC, UC, SC, AE, WC, and OG gold won by Europe in the last 5 years equal to how many exactly? Now compared that to Asia.... what do we've if not overwhelming advantage to Asia?
And some people still trying to argue that Europe is not lagging behind Asia? Oh well, good luck with that foolishness.

[chris-ccc]

Lets see....# of TC, UC, SC, AE, WC, and OG gold won by Europe in the last 5 years equal to how many exactly? Now compared that to Asia.... what do we've if not overwhelming advantage to Asia?
And some people still trying to argue that Europe is not lagging behind Asia? Oh well, good luck with that foolishness.



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It is hoped that players from Europe can produce some good results in coming events/tournaments; namely;
DEN in their MS, WS, MD and XD,
ENG in their XD.
FRA in their WS,
GER in their WS,
etc......

If Badminton is to be an International Sport, we need more European players to play a bigger role in our sport.
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[jymbalaya]

And some people still trying to argue that Europe is not lagging behind Asia? Oh well, good luck with that foolishness.

wait, so your arguing that players such as Anthony Clark, Donna Kellogg, Gail Emms, Nathan Robertson, Peter Gade, Lu Lan, and other countless European players are lagging behind Asia? these world class players are not as good as their Asian counter parts? These Players that have shown time and time again that they can hold their own and in fact 'own' some other players?

Heh, good luck with that foolishness.....

[badadum]

wait, so your arguing that players such as Anthony Clark, Donna Kellogg, Gail Emms, Nathan Robertson, Peter Gade, Lu Lan, and other countless European players are lagging behind Asia? these world class players are not as good as their Asian counter parts? These Players that have shown time and time again that they can hold their own and in fact 'own' some other players?

Heh, good luck with that foolishness.....

Well, considering you inserting one of CHN top WS player among your list of so-called European players......I think your argument is already self-defeating.

And yes, look at the results for the last 5 years. Now you tell me which one is lagging whom.

Good luck trying to argue back that foolishness.

[jymbalaya]

whoops, thank for pointing that out. Pi Hongyan plays for France, not Lu Lan.... and Pi Hongyan beat lu lan in the Olympics i think.

Also think about populations, and the interests of an area before you make weighed statements. realize badminton is not the main sport in those areas. while over in Asia, there are more people playing badminton, you can find more people who will play. likewise, the number of people who rise up will be larger, and then the people entering national teams, international tournaments, extending onward until you see that there is a slight edge. therefore, i find it easy to believe that Europe may seem to be be lagging.

that being said, I believe Europe does not lag on the world stage, that they hold their own, and meet up with their Asian counterparts. we can go on and argue about statistics, but even then, Europeans have Held the Number one rankings in more than one Discipline. Arguing over statistics does nothing to advance our sports, it only detracts. i find it pointless to call one region inferior to another region, just over a bunch of numbers. it shows an ignorance and a certain disrespect for players, wherever they come from.

however, i shall let you go on, for the sake of letting the Korean Open 2009: Day 6 thread actually be about the subject matter, instead of bashing countries.

[badadum]

whoops, thank for pointing that out. Pi Hongyan plays for France, not Lu Lan.... and Pi Hongyan beat lu lan in the Olympics i think.

Also think about populations, and the interests of an area before you make weighed statements. realize badminton is not the main sport in those areas. while over in Asia, there are more people playing badminton, you can find more people who will play. likewise, the number of people who rise up will be larger, and then the people entering national teams, international tournaments, extending onward until you see that there is a slight edge. therefore, i find it easy to believe that Europe may seem to be be lagging.

that being said, I believe Europe does not lag on the world stage, that they hold their own, and meet up with their Asian counterparts. we can go on and argue about statistics, but even then, Europeans have Held the Number one rankings in more than one Discipline. Arguing over statistics does nothing to advance our sports, it only detracts. i find it pointless to call one region inferior to another region, just over a bunch of numbers. it shows an ignorance and a certain disrespect for players, wherever they come from.



You really need to get your fact straight... LL got beat by XXF and then MK in OG 2008. Besides, do you really consider Pi as "European" consider she's once part of China's team before migrating to France?

As far as population size etc, I agreed wholeheartedly, while someone else might beg to differ. But speaking from performance only, there's no denying there hasn't been any promising talent from the European countries to replace the more famous player. All of the players you listed is over 30years old, whose prime has pass. If this trend continues, there won't be anymore Europeans ever holding #1 ranking in badminton.

I believe I used the word lagging, which correctly depicts the current state of European badminton. If you prefer to view it negatively and equate that with "inferiority" & "ignorance", well one is always free to make their own interpretation.

[chris-ccc]

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From the Taipei Times, we have this article;
Cheng and Chien got off to a rocky start: click here (http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/sport/archives/2009/01/20/2003434235)
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[chris-ccc]

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From the Copenhagen Post, we have this article;
Triple Badminton Victory: click here (http://www.cphpost.dk/sport/120-sport/44477-triple-badminton-victory.html)

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[chris-ccc]

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From the Donga-A Ilbo, we have this article;
Olympic Champs Defend Korea Open Title: click here (http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=070000&biid=2009011910388)
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[Jagdpanther]

I am all for optimism!:D

Sure, Datuk LCW 'still havent yet won' a title outside Malaysia as the WR1.

In the same vein, I also like to add that Indonesia & Malaysia too 'still havent yet won' the football world cup. ;)
In the same light, can we say that Brazil & Italy 'still haven't yet won' the OG badminton gold as well?:confused:

Dear Mr. Pemuda, please consider where the strength lies, will you?:(

[Pemuda]

In the same light, can we say that Brazil & Italy 'still haven't yet won' the OG badminton gold as well?:confused:

Dear Mr. Pemuda, please consider where the strength lies, will you?:(

What happened to your 'give an optimistic tone'?? :o

Are you saying it is impossible for Brazil & Italy to win a OG badminton gold?? Before you answer, I want you to think carefully and consider today's movement of resources across countries etc etc.

[Pemuda]

wait, so your arguing that players such as Anthony Clark, Donna Kellogg, Gail Emms, Nathan Robertson, Peter Gade, Lu Lan, and other countless European players are lagging behind Asia? these world class players are not as good as their Asian counter parts? These Players that have shown time and time again that they can hold their own and in fact 'own' some other players?

Heh, good luck with that foolishness.....

To me it is very simple, if Asia is far ahead of Europe as some here says, I would say the definition of 'far ahead' is pretty weak given that the current world rankings in the MS top 10, there are 3 Europeans (1 being in the top 5), WS there are 3 Europeans (1 being in the top 2). 'Far ahead' should be total domination. And in the recent KO, Denmark walked away with 3 titles, if Asia is 'far ahead' what happened at the KO??

The big titles in badminton i.e. Olympic gold, WC & AE have all been won before by shuttlers from Europe. Now, if Asia is really that 'far ahead' wouldnt shuttlers from Europe will hardly have a sniff at the OG, WC & AE???

Erland Kops, Finn Kobero, Morten Frost .... etc, if Asia is that 'far ahead', surely such shuttlers from Europe wont be able to etched their names in badminton history with their titles.

[limsy]

Not to mention one of the perennial giant is not sending their national squad, as well as lack of participation from several of INA and MAS top players (injury, sickness,etc). One must be blind in order for them to not notice that. :rolleyes:

hehe...they will just keep escape for ur good point and keep attacking on not related thing...;)

[badadum]

To me it is very simple, if Asia is far ahead of Europe as some here says, I would say the definition of 'far ahead' is pretty weak given that the current world rankings in the MS top 10, there are 3 Europeans (1 being in the top 5), WS there are 3 Europeans (1 being in the top 2). 'Far ahead' should be total domination. And in the recent KO, Denmark walked away with 3 titles, if Asia is 'far ahead' what happened at the KO??

The big titles in badminton i.e. Olympic gold, WC & AE have all been won before by shuttlers from Europe. Now, if Asia is really that 'far ahead' wouldnt shuttlers from Europe will hardly have a sniff at the OG, WC & AE???

Erland Kops, Finn Kobero, Morten Frost .... etc, if Asia is that 'far ahead', surely such shuttlers from Europe wont be able to etched their names in badminton history with their titles.

Notice the presence of PAST in your statement. I believe we're referring to the present, not looking back to the past.

What's good is ranking if no result is being produced (I believe this is your exact point against LW & MAS WD #1 ranking)? Now, since you seemed to do a complete turn when discussing results here, lets look back for the last 5 year and use as a barometer the tourneys that you yourself used as a measure of great result, WC, OG gold and TC/UC. How many times has the European win anything in those major tourney? Compared to that the Asian's result. What's that if not total domination? :cool:

The result speaks for themselves, of course foolishness will still prevail in some, like using KO as example again despite the lack of China's top dog. (and I could've swear that's the exact reasoning some here used to discredit the SS Finals!). :cool:

[badadum]

hehe...they will just keep escape for ur good point and keep attacking on not related thing...;)

Well as proven in other thread, our little friend here does have a problem with his reading comprehension. Then again, that's maybe by design as well. ;)

[limsy]

The result speaks for themselves, of course foolishness will still prevail in some, like using KO as example again despite the lack of China's top dog. (and I could've swear that's the exact reasoning some here used to discredit the SS Finals!). :cool:

easy...when mas win without china...keep discredit...when others win without china.keep praising...;)

[Pemuda]

Notice the presence of PAST in your statement. I believe we're referring to the present, not looking back to the past.

What past are you mumbling about? Who walked away with 3 titles in the recently concluded KO?? And boy, do a quick check with the current ranking and see for yourself.


What's good is ranking if no result is being produced (I believe this is your exact point against LW & MAS WD #1 ranking)? Now, since you seemed to do a complete turn when discussing results here, lets look back for the last 5 year and use as a barometer the tourneys that you yourself used as a measure of great result, WC, OG gold and TC/UC. How many times has the European win anything in those major tourney? Compared to that the Asian's result. What's that if not total domination? :cool:

No results being produced??? Again, what are you mumbling about?? Since you are not into the PAST, lets look at recent events then, boy. Who won the WS in the MO & KO?? Who won the MS in the KO?? Who won the MD in the KO??? What complete turn you are mumbling about here?? Where is that total domination, eh?


The result speaks for themselves, of course foolishness will still prevail in some, like using KO as example again despite the lack of China's top dog. (and I could've swear that's the exact reasoning some here used to discredit the SS Finals!). :cool:

You are right!!! Foolishness. Spot on, boy! About no Chinese top dogs in the KO, no extra rest day for LCW, LCW tired, Indon shuttlers injured ... poor souls and all, etc etc.

Moan on.

[Jagdpanther]

You are right!!! Foolishness. Spot on, boy! About no Chinese top dogs in the KO, no extra rest day for LCW, LCW tired, Indon shuttlers injured ... poor souls and all, etc etc.

Moan on.
Excuse me, Mr. Pemuda.
In case you don't know (or forget, or don't care, whatever), 'Indon' is not a nice way to address us. :(

C'mon. Just 5/6 more letters. -esian/s. Not a tough thing to do, right?

[Pemuda]

Excuse me, Mr. Pemuda.
In case you don't know (or forget, or don't care, whatever), 'Indon' is not a nice way to address us. :(

C'mon. Just 5/6 more letters. -esian/s. Not a tough thing to do, right?

Now, now before you jump the gun and come up with your own assumption that I either forget, dont care or whatever, I suggest you calm down.

Personally, is 'Indon' a 4-letter word??? I mean, I have Indonesian friends during my student days in Australia and they refer to themselves as Indon/s and they call their language Bahasa Indon.

I googled 'Indon' and cant find that 'it is not a nice way to address Indonesians' (I wonder why my Indonesian buddies in Australia used Indon when it is not a nice thing to say).

But if you are uncomfortable with the word, sure I wont use it here. It will be Indonesian/s then.

Can you at least put on a little smile now?? Not a tough thing to do, right?

[koo_fan]

It's Indonesians,Pemuda.
They didnt like it to be called Indons.Why should u trouble urself?
I simply put it IndoS.Should be o.k i guess.

[Pemuda]

It's Indonesians,Pemuda.
They didnt like it to be called Indons.Why should u trouble urself?
I simply put it IndoS.Should be o.k i guess.

If its Indonesians then why 'IndoS'?? :o

[badadum]

:confused:
What past are you mumbling about? Who walked away with 3 titles in the recently concluded KO?? And boy, do a quick check with the current ranking and see for yourself.


Hmmm, another example of reading comprehension failure? Your example constitues of the great Danish players. The last time the great Dane won OG gold is back in 96...what is that if not the past?
And who is it again that question LCW and the MAS WD "quality" despite their #1 ranking? If that's the case, then ranking system is not an accurate representation of current situation....why bringing it up here again for and contradict yourself yet again?? :rolleyes:



No results being produced??? Again, what are you mumbling about?? Since you are not into the PAST, lets look at recent events then, boy. Who won the WS in the MO & KO?? Who won the MS in the KO?? Who won the MD in the KO??? What complete turn you are mumbling about here?? Where is that total domination, eh?


Hmmm, wasn't it you that measure great result by the number of WC and OG gold? Now you want to change your measurement method since the result is not to your liking??? :rolleyes:
Again, compare the results of those major events in the last 5 years, and tell me what it is if not complete domination by Asian players!



You are right!!! Foolishness. Spot on, boy! About no Chinese top dogs in the KO.


I believe that's the same exact reason used to discredit the SS Finals's "quality" and winners. Why the double standard??? :confused:

[koo_fan]

at 1.31 am.i dont think ur question worth my effort to write it down,sir.

[limsy]

haha...then...just go to have a nice rest...kak...sorry for off topic

[Pemuda]

:confused:

Hmmm, another example of reading comprehension failure? Your example constitues of the great Danish players. The last time the great Dane won OG gold is back in 96...what is that if not the past?
And who is it again that question LCW and the MAS WD "quality" despite their #1 ranking? If that's the case, then ranking system is not an accurate representation of current situation....why bringing it up here again for and contradict yourself yet again?? :rolleyes:

Dont stray. The point is if Asia is far ahead how come the major titles in badminton i.e. Olympic, WC & AE have been won by European shuttlers? And if Asia is that far ahead, wouldnt the current world ranking be totally dominated by Asians? If Asia is far ahead, how come in the recent MO & KO, Denmark were able to bag numerous titles?

Thats my point.



Hmmm, wasn't it you that measure great result by the number of WC and OG gold? Now you want to change your measurement method since the result is not to your liking??? :rolleyes:
Again, compare the results of those major events in the last 5 years, and tell me what it is if not complete domination by Asian players!

Who is changing the measurement?? :confused: I have said it numerous times and for the benefit of those who are semi illiterate, I will say it again that the OG gold, WC and AE (dont leave this one out, boy) are the major titles. And these titles have been won by European shuttlers. If Asia is that far ahead, how come European shuttlers are successful in these major events?

And why last 5 years??


I believe that's the same exact reason used to discredit the SS Finals's "quality" and winners. Why the double standard??? :confused:

Care to explain further how and where is the double standard?

[badadum]

Dont stray. The point is if Asia is far ahead how come the major titles in badminton i.e. Olympic, WC & AE have been won by European shuttlers? And if Asia is that far ahead, wouldnt the current world ranking be totally dominated by Asians? If Asia is far ahead, how come in the recent MO & KO, Denmark were able to bag numerous titles?

Thats my point.


And in comparison, how many of those titles have been won by European compared to Asian shuttlers recently? Still not clear to you the Asian domination so far?
Ok, you want to use ranking as your argument? Let's see out of the 50 spots in the top 10 of each badminton's area of discipline, the European has exactly 10 spots (no, I'm not including Pi nor Xu Huaiwen since they're chinese player emigrating to Europe instead Europe own homegrown player)...... so 20% (24% if you insist on including Pi and XHW) of the top ranked players are European while the rest = Asian. 1 to 4 ratio there... still want to argue Asians not dominating the ranking? :cool:



Who is changing the measurement?? :confused: I have said it numerous times and for the benefit of those who are semi illiterate, I will say it again that the OG gold, WC and AE (dont leave this one out, boy) are the major titles. And these titles have been won by European shuttlers. If Asia is that far ahead, how come European shuttlers are successful in these major events?

And why last 5 years??

LOL, again noticed the word "have been". US players also have won the AE & WC, using your warped reasoning, you will also say that US also not lagging behind Asia in badminton now? :rolleyes:

Why 5 years? Because it'll give a good indicator on how far these trends has persist. But since you're so fixated on recent result, that's fine by me too. Again, lets take your so-called indicator tourneys. How many OG gold, WC and AE the Europeans has won in the last go around of those 3 major tourneys??? Let's see...1 title out of 15, while the other 14 goes to Asian shuttlers...1 vs 14....what's that if not total domination??? Still want to argue that fact? :rolleyes:



Care to explain further how and where is the double standard?

My boy, you're way too predictable. Let's see if we can refresh your memory:


The SS Masters Final is not an indication because this is a bonus tournament. And some big hitters were missing as well.


Remember that? Now then, if SS Master final is not a good indicator of one progress nor capability, then how can KO, with even less "big hitters" as participant, is justifiable as an example of one prowess (in this case, the European)???
Any more flip-flopping you like to perform? :p

[Pemuda]

And in comparison, how many of those titles have been won by European compared to Asian shuttlers recently? Still not clear to you the Asian domination so far?
Ok, you want to use ranking as your argument? Let's see out of the 50 spots in the top 10 of each badminton's area of discipline, the European has exactly 10 spots (no, I'm not including Pi nor Xu Huaiwen since they're chinese player emigrating to Europe instead Europe own homegrown player)...... so 20% (24% if you insist on including Pi and XHW) of the top ranked players are European while the rest = Asian. 1 to 4 ratio there... still want to argue Asians not dominating the ranking? :cool:

You only look at recent events??? How recent??? Why is that so?

Why is Pi or Xu, not included??? Why singled them out??

Ratio of 1 to 4 is considered far ahead??? You consider that total domination?



LOL, again noticed the word "have been". US players also have won the AE & WC, using your warped reasoning, you will also say that US also not lagging behind Asia in badminton now? :rolleyes:

You can laugh till the cows come home but its on the record books. They have won em' big titles. So, where is the total domination when throughout history Europe have been successful in em' major events?


Why 5 years? Because it'll give a good indicator on how far these trends has persist. But since you're so fixated on recent result, that's fine by me too. Again, lets take your so-called indicator tourneys. How many OG gold, WC and AE the Europeans has won in the last go around of those 3 major tourneys??? Let's see...1 title out of 15, while the other 14 goes to Asian shuttlers...1 vs 14....what's that if not total domination??? Still want to argue that fact? :rolleyes:

How is 5 years be an acceptable gauge?? Shouldnt we look at things in total?
Can you list down the total OG gold, WC & AE won so that we can see things in total rather than your 5 years??

Thanks.



My boy, you're way too predictable. Let's see if we can refresh your memory:
Remember that? Now then, if SS Master final is not a good indicator of one progress nor capability, then how can KO, with even less "big hitters" as participant, is justifiable as an example of one prowess (in this case, the European)???
Any more flip-flopping you like to perform? :p

When will the SSF be held this year?
Hope that answer your question?

[Oldhand]

You guys would make very poor trial lawyers :rolleyes:

It's not because you don't have sound arguments or style.
It's simply because you keep addressing each other.
And that's certainly not what constitutes a sane debate.

Let's not hear any more of what one thinks of the other, please :(

[badadum]

Why is Pi or Xu, not included??? Why singled them out??

You really having problem with reading comprehension don't you? Even if the reasoning is in the very same post, in front of you?



Ratio of 1 to 4 is considered far ahead??? You consider that total domination?

4 to 1 is ratio is not good enough for you??? Then how about 14 to 1?? Still not good enough? Anyone else object to this ratio?




You can laugh till the cows come home but its on the record books. They have won em' big titles. So, where is the total domination when throughout history Europe have been successful in em' major events?


Again, based on this argument, your position will also be that US is not lagging behind Asia in badminton, due to them have been previous champs of WC and AE???




How is 5 years be an acceptable gauge?? Shouldnt we look at things in total?
Can you list down the total OG gold, WC & AE won so that we can see things in total rather than your 5 years??


Since you are the one that broaden the subject to all, why don't you do the legwork yourself? Too lazy to do it ?




When will the SSF be held this year?
Hope that answer your question?

It does confirmed your flip-flopping. Thank you again for confirming it. :D

[badadum]

You guys would make very poor trial lawyers :rolleyes:

It's not because you don't have sound arguments or style.
It's simply because you keep addressing each other.
And that's certainly not what constitutes a sane debate.

Let's not hear any more of what one thinks of the other, please :(

Oldhand, I would be quite offended if someone ever equate me to the "dishonorable" profession of lawyers. :p

[Oldhand]

Oldhand, I would be quite offended if someone ever equate me to the "dishonorable" profession of lawyers. :p

I wouldn't want to think that Mahatma Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln, Franz Kafka, John Knox, RL Stevenson, John Grisham, etc deserve a 'dishonourable' label :p

[Oldhand]

Oldhand, I would be quite offended if someone ever equate me to the "dishonorable" profession of lawyers. :p


I wouldn't want to think that Mahatma Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln, Franz Kafka, John Knox, RL Stevenson, John Grisham, etc deserve a 'dishonourable' label :p

...oh, and a gentleman named Obama ;)

[badadum]

I wouldn't want to think that Mahatma Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln, Franz Kafka, John Knox, RL Stevenson, John Grisham, etc deserve a 'dishonourable' label :p

I considered Gandhi as spiritual leader, Obama and Lincoln as politician, Stevenson and Grisham as author.. and not trial lawyers, so no, definitely not. :p
(no idea wtheck Kafka and Knox is).

[ctjcad]

Hmm, i don't see what's the big brouhaha is all about????...considering the KO Finals is already over, done & dusted with...
Okay, so Pemuda calls it Asians have not been dominating in badminton. And badadum calls it Asians have been dominating in badminton.
Both of 'em pull out the AE, WC and Olympics cards.

To tell the truth, based on stats, both Pemuda and badadum are correct.
Yes, Non-Asians have been dominating badminton in those 3 events (duh, who else invented & originated badminton, esp. in the AE since it's the oldest baddy tournament). Until, recently, where Asians have been the dominant ones.

So, based on a bit of research (since both Pemuda & badadum don't want to leave BC for a few minutes;)), here's what i've found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_1992_Summer_Olympics (4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_1996_Summer_Olympics (4) (1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_2000_Summer_Olympics (5)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_2004_Summer_Olympics (5)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics (5)
Asia=23 Non-Asia=1
*only counting Gold titles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BWF_World_Championships
Asia (40+18+9+1=68)
Non-Asia (9+3+2+1=15)
*only counting Gold titles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_England_Open_Badminton_Championships
Asia = 11+9+8+7+33=68
Non-Asia = 21+18+17+17+15+13+11+11+11+10+9+8+8+8+5=182
*only counting winners

total titles (more or less w/some missing stats):
Asia = 23+68+68=159
Non-Asia = 1+15+182=197

Now, where's my teh tarek from Pemuda and my Starbucks coffee from badadum...http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/45.gif


...oh, and a gentleman named Obama ;)
...YES, Oldhand CAN, TOO!(but w/a much less hype);)

[badadum]

Hmm, i don't see what's the big brouhaha is all about????...considering the KO Finals is already over, done & dusted with...
Okay, so Pemuda calls it Asians have not been dominating in badminton. And badadum calls it Asians have been dominating in badminton.
Both of 'em pull out the AE, WC and Olympics cards.

To tell the truth, based on stats, both Pemuda and badadum are correct.
Yes, Non-Asians have been dominating badminton in those 3 events (duh, who else invented & originated badminton, esp. in the AE since it's the oldest baddy tournament). Until, recently, where Asians have been the dominant ones.

So, based on a bit of research (since both Pemuda & badadum don't want to leave BC for a few minutes;)), here's what i've found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_1992_Summer_Olympics (4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_1996_Summer_Olympics (4) (1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_2000_Summer_Olympics (5)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_2004_Summer_Olympics (5)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics (5)
Asia=23 Non-Asia=1
*only counting Gold titles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BWF_World_Championships
Asia (40+18+9+1=68)
Non-Asia (9+3+2+1=15)
*only counting Gold titles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_England_Open_Badminton_Championships
Asia = 11+9+8+7+33=68
Non-Asia = 21+18+17+17+15+13+11+11+11+10+9+8+8+8+5=182
*only counting winners

total titles (more or less w/some missing stats):
Asia = 23+68+68=159
Non-Asia = 1+15+182=197

Now, where's my teh tarek from Pemuda and my Starbucks coffee from badadum...http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/45.gif


...YES, Oldhand CAN, TOO!(but w/a much less hype);)

Gosh....Starbuck??? seriously? No coffee aficionado will ever step there... Everything is either sweet or super sweet. :p

Question though, are you including the AE historical data from the very beginning? Because if you do, I believe you'll need to readjust your AE title, and only start when Asian countries start participating in AE. That'll effectively cut more than half the European's tally there. :)

Considering we're stuck in a run around here, let me ask this question. Presently, who's the dominating side in badminton? Asia or Europe? What about for the foreseeable future?

[Oldhand]

Quiz:

What has the title "Korea Open 2009: Day 6 (Finals) Sunday January 18" got to do with the content of a few dozen recent posts? :(

[ctjcad]

...
Question though, are you including the AE historical data from the very beginning? Because if you do, I believe you'll need to readjust your AE title, and only start when Asian countries start participating in AE. That'll effectively cut more than half the European's tally there. :)

Considering we're stuck in a run around here, let me ask this question. Presently, who's the dominating side in badminton? Asia or Europe? What about for the foreseeable future?
..i'm counting all the AE titles from the beginning. Don't blame/discredit the Europeans/non-Asians (or what they did) if no Asian countries (if there weren't) participated in the early yrs of AE..
(It's almost as if we need to discredit what the ancient Chinese or Roman civilization did, because America wasn't discovered until some 200+ yrs ago).

Who's dominating as of now/presently? Of course, we're not blind which region is dominating badminton. As for the future/foreseeable future (how far ahead??), i/we don't know, unless you have a crystal ball or one of your telescopes.;)

[badadum]

..i'm counting all the AE titles from the beginning. Don't blame/discredit the Europeans (or what they did) if no Asian countries (if there weren't) participated in the early yrs of AE..


Well considering most (if not all) asian countries at that time was under European tyranny and enslavement...it's hard to not blame/discredit them...but I digress....
I believe an accurate comparison can only be made when both sides are present...don't you agree?



Who's dominating as of now/presently? Of course, we're not blind which region is dominating badminton. As for the future, i/we don't know, unless you have a crystal ball or one of your telescopes.;)

Fair enough. :D

And considering Oldhand's probably is wrapping his finger on the delete button, I'll end my off-topic post here. ;)

[limsy]

Quiz:

What has the title "Korea Open 2009: Day 6 (Finals) Sunday January 18" got to do with the content of a few dozen recent posts? :(

i give u the most clear point...when malaysia player won title in the tourney tat no chinese player participate..the title worth nothing...like a kuala terenganu open only...then...when danes player won title in the tourney tat no chinese player participate...someone so impresive with it...given tat ppl give so much respect to china team...no china team in tourney(ss mf) = no class tourney...i wonder if he giving same word to mas and danes tat both won 3 titles...no one will complain...;)

[Pemuda]

You really having problem with reading comprehension don't you? Even if the reasoning is in the very same post, in front of you?

You may want to remove your blinders. Both Pi and Xu represent France and Germany respectively. Where they were born are irrelevant. Based on your short sighted theory, you may as well do a search on all current and previous European & Asian shuttlers to determine whether where they were born and all.

Why the prejudice against Pi & Xu??


4 to 1 is ratio is not good enough for you??? Then how about 14 to 1?? Still not good enough? Anyone else object to this ratio?

Do enlighten me how and from where you derive this 4 to 1 and 14 to 1 thingy. Why are you looking at things from a certain point of time instead of looking at it in total?


Again, based on this argument, your position will also be that US is not lagging behind Asia in badminton, due to them have been previous champs of WC and AE???

Again, talking about reading comprehension problems and all ... where and when did I say the US is not far behind Asia or whatsover to that effect?? :o

Dude, I believe the topic is Asia and Europe. US?? :o Where did you get that from?? Are you going to bring in Africa next? Or maybe South America?



Since you are the one that broaden the subject to all, why don't you do the legwork yourself? Too lazy to do it ?

Excuse me, you want to prove me wrong, you have to provide the facts not the other way round.


It does confirmed your flip-flopping. Thank you again for confirming it. :D

Like your greater than 50% and then not greater than 50% and then back to greater than 50% thingy???

So, when will the SSF be held this year?? Still cant get it??? Or you are still busy figuring out the difference between greater than 50% and 50%??
Like your pot calling the kettle black?

[Pemuda]

Hmm, i don't see what's the big brouhaha is all about????...considering the KO Finals is already over, done & dusted with...
Okay, so Pemuda calls it Asians have not been dominating in badminton. And badadum calls it Asians have been dominating in badminton.
Both of 'em pull out the AE, WC and Olympics cards.

To tell the truth, based on stats, both Pemuda and badadum are correct.
Yes, Non-Asians have been dominating badminton in those 3 events (duh, who else invented & originated badminton, esp. in the AE since it's the oldest baddy tournament). Until, recently, where Asians have been the dominant ones.

So, based on a bit of research (since both Pemuda & badadum don't want to leave BC for a few minutes;)), here's what i've found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_1992_Summer_Olympics (4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_1996_Summer_Olympics (4) (1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_2000_Summer_Olympics (5)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_2004_Summer_Olympics (5)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics (5)
Asia=23 Non-Asia=1
*only counting Gold titles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BWF_World_Championships
Asia (40+18+9+1=68)
Non-Asia (9+3+2+1=15)
*only counting Gold titles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_England_Open_Badminton_Championships
Asia = 11+9+8+7+33=68
Non-Asia = 21+18+17+17+15+13+11+11+11+10+9+8+8+8+5=182
*only counting winners

total titles (more or less w/some missing stats):
Asia = 23+68+68=159
Non-Asia = 1+15+182=197

Now, where's my teh tarek from Pemuda and my Starbucks coffee from badadum...http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/45.gif


...YES, Oldhand CAN, TOO!(but w/a much less hype);)

Thanks. Your input from a neutral point of view is much appreciated.

If we look at things in total, one can see that there is no 'total domination' based on the major titles won.

[Johnny]

i think PG is keeping his "lucky" racket for the AE...;)


Actually Peter and Tine have both donated their winning rackets to charity.
I just saw their rackets on an auction site. All the proceeds will go to Danish Red Cross and other humanitarian organizations for the poor in Africa.

At the moment the highest bid for Peters racket is about 300 USD :)

Peters racket (http://www.lauritz.com/Item/Item.aspx?LanguageId=2&ItemId=1479685&nBids=5&ReturnUrl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.lauritz.com%2fItemList% 2fItemList.aspx%3fLanguageId%3d2%26DC%3d1%26CPIn%3 d0%26ISz%3ds%26PSz%3ds%26PSzG%3ds%26SO%3d3%26ST%3d 0%26ArId%3ds%26TTyp%3d0%26TVal%3d0%26FLId%3d2%26FC Id%3d1%26FText%3dketsjer%26LLan%3ds%26Vat%3d0%2314 79685EndTagRU)

Tines racket (http://www.lauritz.com/Item/Item.aspx?LanguageId=2&ItemId=1479676&nBids=5&ReturnUrl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.lauritz.com%2fItemList% 2fItemList.aspx%3fLanguageId%3d1%26DC%3d1%26CPIn%3 d0%26ISz%3d0%26PSz%3d30%26PSzG%3d6%26SO%3d3%26ST%3 d0%26TTyp%3d0%26TVal%3d0%26FLId%3d1%26FCId%3d1%26F Text%3dketsjer%26LLan%3dFalse%26Vat%3d0%26STA%3d2% 231479676EndTagRU)

[badadum]

You may want to remove your blinders. Both Pi and Xu represent France and Germany respectively. Where they were born are irrelevant. Based on your short sighted theory, you may as well do a search on all current and previous European & Asian shuttlers to determine whether where they were born and all.

Why the prejudice against Pi & Xu??




Refer back to the original post.




Do enlighten me how and from where you derive this 4 to 1 and 14 to 1 thingy. Why are you looking at things from a certain point of time instead of looking at it in total?


Refer back to the original post. (hmmm...starting to see a pattern here)




Again, talking about reading comprehension problems and all ... where and when did I say the US is not far behind Asia or whatsover to that effect?? :o

Dude, I believe the topic is Asia and Europe. US?? :o Where did you get that from?? Are you going to bring in Africa next? Or maybe South America?

You're validating European's record by looking back far into the past. At one point in time, US were also the dominant power in badminton...now tell me is the past an accurate representation in the present? Still don't get it my boy?



Excuse me, you want to prove me wrong, you have to provide the facts not the other way round.

Excuse me, you're the one that want to bring the whole total thing into the equation. Its your responsibility to provide the fact to back you up, unless you're just all talk and no facts.




So, when will the SSF be held this year?? Still cant get it??? Or you are still busy figuring out the difference between greater than 50% and 50%??
Like your pot calling the kettle black?

Fact = SSF participant includes more top tiers than KO
Fact = Pemuda stated that SSF result is not an indicator of progression nor quality
Fact = Pemuda stated that the Danes winning 3 titles in KO (with lesser fields of participants than SSF) shows the European prowess.
Fact = Pemuda's double standard and flip flopping on what tourney supposed to be a good indicator.

Clear enough for your below elementary level of comprehension?

And in case you didn't notice, mods wants the thread's off-topic to end. If you want to continue, by all means, create a new thread.

[joelabb]

To be fair nobody win la:D:D it just that Asia got so many badminton power countries and Europe got only Denmark and England (now kurang power):D

[chris-ccc]

It just that Asia got so many badminton power countries and Europe got only Denmark and England (now kurang power):D



.
In Asia, in the past, CHN, INA, KOR and MAS had the stronger players. Now, it's great to have countries like HKG, IND, JPN, SIN, THA, TPE, VIE, etc... having promising players.

In Europe, DEN is the main force. But we still have good players coming from ENG, FRA, GER, NED, etc..., often making it to the last few rounds in tournaments.

For Badminton to be an international sport, we hope that players from America and Eastern Europe can quickly get into the race. For Australia and Africa, we still have a long way to go. :(
.

[joelabb]

There so many Asian migrated and living in Australia hope someday they can produce some good players:)

[Pemuda]

Refer back to the original post.

Go to the IBF website and do a check on Pi & Xu under players' profile. For example under Pi, her country of representation is France. There is no small print such as 'France ( .... she migrated over from China)'. Thank god IBF do not subscribe to a mindset of a bigot.


Refer back to the original post. (hmmm...starting to see a pattern here)

In total. Look at the stats in total.


You're validating European's record by looking back far into the past. At one point in time, US were also the dominant power in badminton...now tell me is the past an accurate representation in the present? Still don't get it my boy?

Are we talking about the US here???

And dude, I am looking at em' records in total, not just 5 years. In total, boy.



Excuse me, you're the one that want to bring the whole total thing into the equation. Its your responsibility to provide the fact to back you up, unless you're just all talk and no facts.

I have already said based on records on em' big titles Asia is not far ahead. You want to prove me wrong, you provide me the facts, not the other way round, son. And please lets have em' facts in total not on bits and pieces here and there.


Fact = SSF participant includes more top tiers than KO
Fact = Pemuda stated that SSF result is not an indicator of progression nor quality
Fact = Pemuda stated that the Danes winning 3 titles in KO (with lesser fields of participants than SSF) shows the European prowess.
Fact = Pemuda's double standard and flip flopping on what tourney supposed to be a good indicator.

Answer my question first, will you? When will the SSF be held this year?


Clear enough for your below elementary level of comprehension?

And in case you didn't notice, mods wants the thread's off-topic to end. If you want to continue, by all means, create a new thread.

Try cutting down on your personal insults.

[limsy]

Answer my question first, will you? When will the SSF be held this year?


aiya...for u...all torunament held in malaysia also low class one(if mas player won the title for it)...;)...

[Pemuda]

aiya...for u...all torunament held in malaysia also low class one(if mas player won the title for it)...;)...

You are so right! Yes all 'torunament' held in Malaysia also low class one.

Thanks for validating.