who thinks bao chunlai stand a high chance to win lin dan at the all england open second round?

Possible.With or without arrangement, BCL is capable.

LD will prevail. Even LYB also not put so much hope on BCL, because he does not have a systematic training due to his knee injury. LYB put more hope on CJ and LD

I bet for Lindan..

i think lyb should let bcl win...not much tournament fron now on to 1st of may ...

i think lyb should let bcl win...not much tournament fron now on to 1st of may ...what am i'm hearing?????? first ppl hated lyb's fixing and now, it is encouraged to spread the winning????
i know u guy, u just want or hope bcl to win so TH o LCW has a better chance to win the AE, LOLOLOL. Oh ya, u r really a caring fan of LD, BCL or JC, LOLOLOL I play badminton too u know, i can see a deception coming just as clear as daylight lololol.

I bet for Lindan..
at least u r honest or realistically about it;):D

what am i'm hearing?????? first ppl hated lyb's fixing and now, it is encouraged to spread the winning????
i know u guy, u just want or hope bcl to win so TH o LCW has a better chance to win the AE, LOLOLOL. Oh ya, u r really a caring fan of LD, BCL or JC, LOLOLOL I play badminton too u know, i can see a deception coming just as clear as daylight lololol.

haha...say whatever u want...in my post...i say i THINK...i say MAYBE....but i didnt say i SUPPORT....I TRY TO GUESS WHAT LYB THINK....BUT I DIDNT SAY I ENCOURAGE HIM...ur post made me laugh:D:D:D:D:D

haha...say whatever u want...in my post...i say i THINK...i say MAYBE....but i didnt say i SUPPORT....I TRY TO GUESS WHAT LYB THINK....BUT I DIDNT SAY I ENCOURAGE HIM...ur post made me laugh:D:D:D:D:D
let say i read your inner conscience better than u can :p scary stuff huh? :p
anyway, we both got a good laugh, life is good:) all i know u boleh fans say one thing and PAW another thing.

let say i read your inner conscience better than u can :p scary stuff huh? :p
anyway, we both got a good laugh, life is good:) all i know u boleh fans say one thing and PAW another thing.
You people must stop generalizing.

let say i read your inner conscience better than u can :p scary stuff huh? :p
anyway, we both got a good laugh, life is good:)

well...tot whatever u want...if u think u can...go ahead...:rolleyes:...

:D:D:D:D:D

well...we should stop off topic thing here...

lyb want 100 wc before he retired...so he might think wc important than ae...
to secure a final berth in wc...bcl nid to be in top 4 seeded...;)...as simple as tat...

for anyone tat try to read my inner conscience...go ahead...;)

I think......LYB may tell LD to 'let'...BCL win....to gather more WR points to improve his WR for WC in India.............If BCL wins in German Open......maybe LD neednt have to act in AE.......

I think......LYB may tell LD to 'let'...BCL win....to gather more WR points to improve his WR for WC in India.............If BCL wins in German Open......maybe LD neednt have to act in AE.......

win in go just increase bcl wrp by 5k...lead him into top ten...but he is last year semi finalist in ae...if he fail to advance until semis or final...then...no use he play in go...cz ss semi finalist points is 6420...he nid to defend those point...;)
he is semis finalist in so too...:rolleyes:

win in go just increase bcl wrp by 5k...lead him into top ten...but he is last year semi finalist in ae...if he fail to advance until semis or final...then...no use he play in go...cz ss semi finalist points is 6420...he nid to defend those point...;)
he is semis finalist in so too...:rolleyes:

Wow......thats means LYB is directing the act again lah......! :D

and BCL have to at least enter SF......and CJ have to defend his 9K WR points ............

Wow......thats means LYB is directing the act again lah......! :D

thats why i say lyb should have give bcl win...;)...if lyb didnt....i will pity bcl...:(

If BCL fail to defend his SF points.....he might drop even farther from top 10..........poor lai-lai.....

at least u r honest or realistically about it;):D
I don't think there is a chance for BCL to beat Lindan this time..

In a fair match, I don't think BCL would be very likely to win. What does he actually have over LD :S..... (other than height)?

Im a great fan of BCL but honestly i think he will lose..he haven't even fully recovered from his injury yet..=(

thats why i say lyb should have give bcl win...;)...if lyb didnt....i will pity bcl...:(



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Agree ... Many would guess that LD should have no problem defeating BCL at the 2009 AE.

But will LYB allow BCL to be dropped out of the Top 10 World Ranking after this tournament?
All we can say is, "Let's wait and see".

:p:p:p
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May the best win.

yep, whatever it is, let's just sit back, relax and enjoy the game:D:D while relaxing with a beer plus popcorns, and some crackers..
anymore??:D coffee?? tea?:D, or fruit juice:p

yep, whatever it is, let's just sit back, relax and enjoy the game:D:D while relaxing with a beer plus popcorns, and some crackers..
anymore??:D coffee?? tea?:D, or fruit juice:p
Yup.AE shouldn't get us to be stressed out.
Enjoy!
Relax and eat everything(this is the best part).:D
*minus the beer.:p

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But will LYB allow BCL to be dropped out of the Top 10 World Ranking after this tournament?

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bcl is already out of top 10 now...he is now 12...in wr

BCL out of top top 10 already :O

What is happening?

I'm watching the AE so I will see LYB's crafty plan in place - if he does let BCL win. :D

BCL out of top top 10 already :O

What is happening?

I'm watching the AE so I will see LYB's crafty plan in place - if he does let BCL win. :D
Yeah...and give us live commentary per minute,
We don't need press, when kriss is around.:p

LYB can play his game as much as he want, but i think the best will prevail, in the end.

bcl is already out of top 10 now...he is now 12...in wr



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Lazy me... that I haven't checked their WRs. :o:o:o

BCL is currently ranked at 12, and LD at 2.

No wonder they get to meet each other as early as in Round 2.
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But assuming BCL wins GO09, that will make up for his AE points loss.LD can't lose because if he does, PG may become WN2 as he went out 1st round last year while LD went out last round.LD has maximum points to defend for both AE and SWO.Besides, LD is OG gold medallist.

But assuming BCL wins GO09, that will make up for his AE points loss. LD can't lose because if he does, PG may become WN2 as he went out 1st round last year while LD went out last round.LD has maximum points to defend for both AE and SWO. Besides, LD is OG gold medallist.



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At the coming 2009 All England, does it matter if Lin Dan wins or loses?
IMHO, Lin Dan can easily regain his higher WR position.

It is now up to LYB to place/rank where BCL should be. LYB has admitted to fix their CHN WR positions.

Now that LD and CJ are the only ones in the top 5 positions, LYB might want to bring BCL into the Top 5 again.

BTW, this is a reason why I don't like 'Match Fixing'. Nothing is real for our players.

:p:p:p
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LD is the most reliable guy to beat LCW, and I dont' see CJ being good enough in LYB's eyes to take him out. Unless LCW crashes in first round and then LD doesn't have to be fielded, I don't see LYB even thinking of fixing a win for BCL.

LD is the most reliable guy to beat LCW, and I dont' see CJ being good enough in LYB's eyes to take him out. Unless LCW crashes in first round and then LD doesn't have to be fielded, I don't see LYB even thinking of fixing a win for BCL.



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Currently, as at 19-Feb-2009, for CHN, only LD and CJ are in the top 5 WR, while BCL is at 12th position.

This could be the lowest Mens Singles CHN team WR for a long, long time. That is why we are assuming that LYB will attempt to fix/correct their WRs. LYB is famous for doing such things. :p

Again, it is repeated here: "Match Fixing is really not good for Badminton. Nothing is real for our players"
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yep, whatever it is, let's just sit back, relax and enjoy the game:D:D while relaxing with a beer plus popcorns, and some crackers..
anymore??:D coffee?? tea?:D, or fruit juice:p

Or 'enjoy the drama'.....instead....:D:D

LD is the most reliable guy to beat LCW, and I dont' see CJ being good enough in LYB's eyes to take him out. Unless LCW crashes in first round and then LD doesn't have to be fielded, I don't see LYB even thinking of fixing a win for BCL.

Anyway.......CJ will not be the one that lyb fix to win.......because CJ have been fixed once last year for the title already.......if LD and CJ is to meet in SF......I'm doubt that LD will let CJ win again........CJ will have to repay to LD for his win last year to LD........;).....;)

Anyway.......CJ will not be the one that lyb fix to win.......because CJ have been fixed once last year for the title already.......if LD and CJ is to meet in SF......I'm doubt that LD will let CJ win again........CJ will have to repay to LD for his win last year to LD........;).....;)
If Lin Dan is 'patriotic' enough, shouldn't be a problem.

Anyway.......CJ will not be the one that lyb fix to win.......because CJ have been fixed once last year for the title already.......if LD and CJ is to meet in SF......I'm doubt that LD will let CJ win again........CJ will have to repay to LD for his win last year to LD........;).....;)

I think I understand what you mean. Basically the same sentiment as mine. LD has already paid his dues in last year's final. He will not be sacrificed again, But then again, you never know that cunning LYB...:cool:

I think I understand what you mean. Basically the same sentiment as mine. LD has already paid his dues in last year's final. He will not be sacrificed again, But then again, you never know that cunning LYB...:cool:

:D:D......'Cunning' LYB......LMAO.....:D:D

i wonder if this -BCL should win or not from LD in AE and his dropping WRP- is making LYB going crazy........... and then CJ vs BCL/LD thing also. that's why we should never 'arrange' a match like what the chinese always do. let the players do their best in fair play.......

i wonder if this -BCL should win or not from LD in AE and his dropping WRP- is making LYB going crazy........... and then CJ vs BCL/LD thing also. that's why we should never 'arrange' a match like what the chinese always do. let the players do their best in fair play.......

LYB gets paid the big bucks to make those decisions. Judging from the results, you gotta say he's done a pretty good job.

LYB gets paid the big bucks to make those decisions. Judging from the results, you gotta say he's done a pretty good job.
Don't think he'll be remembered as truly legend.
The fix-matches looked legal, this dissapointed me most.

Don't think he'll be remembered as truly legend.
The fix-matches looked legal, this dissapointed me most.

Don't think he really cares, to be quite honest

Seems like no body would believe there's a fair match between two Chn players.........ever since LYB started to fixed them.....sad

Don't think he really cares, to be quite honest
Let's see what he's going to say in 30 years time.
When the prime time of his were being tarnished with this 'simple' thing.

Seems like no body would believe there's a fair match between two Chn players.........ever since LYB started to fixed them.....sad
Saddest part of it.

Yeah...and give us live commentary per minute,
We don't need press, when kriss is around.:p
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:D , I definitely Will! :D

If BCL wins - I'll go and attack LYB , and tell him that hes ruining badminton :D

Well I wouldn't really go down but , oh well :D

:D , I definitely Will! :D

If BCL wins - I'll go and attack LYB , and tell him that hes ruining badminton :D

Well I wouldn't really go down but , oh well :D
Looking forward to see you carry out the promises.:D.-jokes-
Enjoy the Ae!

If BCL wins - I'll go and attack LYB , and tell him that hes ruining badminton :D



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If BCL wins - He will probably meet CJ two rounds later. And there, the same thing could happen, that is, LYB could tell CJ to give the match to BCL. So you can attack LYB not once, but twice. :D:D:D

But seriously speaking on this matter, LYB can see that LD and CJ are able to maintain their WR positions. It's just unfortunate that BCL (seeded outside No.8) got drawn to play them in the same half.

To make sure this would not happen again, BCL would have to get his ranking position back to 4, 5 or 7 ASAP.
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Lin Dan will win against BAO ...
but Bao is capable for beat Lin Dan too....
so let's wait and see... don't made any prejudice about LYB,,,

Lin Dan will win against BAO ...



That's what everyone is expecting.


but Bao is capable for beat Lin Dan too....



Perhaps when LD is handicapped with injuries. Some consider BCL is a level or two below LD.


so let's wait and see... don't made any prejudice about LYB,,,



At the 2008 All England Mens Singles Finals, when LD lost to CJ, 'biased' fans caused a thread to be closed.

Read it, from Post #957 of this thread: click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=814167#post814167)
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lyb will be crazy when he saw bcl vs cj in so....

My initial prediction coming true - CHN aces meeting one after another on the road to AE final... I pity BCL if he didn't get to win over LD. He may also be frustrated shud LYB decide to keep LD playing till final. Hai, LYB... really hate his match-fixing skill. I wonder if any of his players ever did not follow his instruction and go all out to win the fixed-game instead of losing it? hmm...

I wonder if any of his players ever did not follow his instruction and go all out to win the fixed-game instead of losing it? hmm...

u should ask...i wonder if any player dare not to follow???
u will be not allow to play in international tournament...send back to ur province....cannot migrates...= ur badminton life ended...;)...
just my guess...:)

What if BCL beat LD out of fair play? With LYB not interferring? and then he beats CJ too? Thats possible..

What if BCL beat LD out of fair play? With LYB not interferring? and then he beats CJ too? Thats possible..
That's also my point.
However, will the community recognize that because we had talk about the match-fixing before the tour?
BCl's not-fully-recover injury should be taken into consideration, too.But nothing is impossible.I'd always want to see LD to lose.(Don't get me wrong.)
But it is rare to see his losing game as not interesting.He'd fight till the end.Nice.

What kind of result will make you guys think there is no match fixing?

From the discusion above, what ever the result is, those people will think LYB fixed it, even before the game has actually played.

What kind of result will make you guys think there is no match fixing?

From the discusion above, what ever the result is, those people will think LYB fixed it, even before the game has actually played.

:eek: You're not suppose to say that publicly. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

:eek: You're not suppose to say that publicly. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Last time it go public, thread closed.
I guess this time, BCers were going to be more literal.

That's also my point.
However, will the community recognize that because we had talk about the match-fixing before the tour?
BCl's not-fully-recover injury should be taken into consideration, too.But nothing is impossible.I'd always want to see LD to lose.(Don't get me wrong.)
But it is rare to see his losing game as not interesting.He'd fight till the end.Nice.

and he might throw away his racket again.. nice :D:D

What kind of result will make you guys think there is no match fixing?

From the discusion above, what ever the result is, those people will think LYB fixed it, even before the game has actually played.

People won't think as such if he didn't start the trend ... it's inevitable...;)

BCL seems not in good form judging from his scores in the German Open. So no way.

who thinks bao chunlai stand a high chance to win lin dan at the all england open second round?

BCL seems not in good form judging from his scores in the German Open. So no way.
Don't you think China Players are all good doing that?

and he might throw away his racket again.. nice :D:D
Let's leave that part.He'll fight like mad, using all possible moves he could.
Then, throw away his racket.

I'm not sure what you mean... But what I guess from his statistics in the German Open so far is that BCL is not physically in good shape.

Don't you think China Players are all good doing that?

would it really matter as much if BCL doesn't win...you're all speculating that it's bad because in WC, he might be on the same half of the draw as LD or CJ...but it's bound to happen anyway...UNLESS BCL risks his injury and not even make it that far...I'd say he should rest up, and Let LD try to retain his points...it doesn't really make sense for LD to slide down to WR6 or 7, and CJ/BCL at around same place...They'll be split up, but have worse position, and might have tougher draws...I'd say go for Gold, have an insurance(CJ), and let your darkhorse do your scaring (BCL)...

would it really matter as much if BCL doesn't win...you're all speculating that it's bad because in WC, he might be on the same half of the draw as LD or CJ...but it's bound to happen anyway...UNLESS BCL risks his injury and not even make it that far...I'd say he should rest up, and Let LD try to retain his points...it doesn't really make sense for LD to slide down to WR6 or 7, and CJ/BCL at around same place...They'll be split up, but have worse position, and might have tougher draws...I'd say go for Gold, have an insurance(CJ), and let your darkhorse do your scaring (BCL)...

From what I have seen at the GO, BCL will be horse meat at the AE. If LYB had any doubt on who to allow through to the next round, it's certain now BCL will be culled. There is no way he'll risk BCL crashing out in the round after he "beats" LD. Direct route to the final for LD, I say

would it really matter as much if BCL doesn't win...you're all speculating that it's bad because in WC, he might be on the same half of the draw as LD or CJ...but it's bound to happen anyway...UNLESS BCL risks his injury and not even make it that far...I'd say he should rest up, and Let LD try to retain his points...it doesn't really make sense for LD to slide down to WR6 or 7, and CJ/BCL at around same place...They'll be split up, but have worse position, and might have tougher draws...I'd say go for Gold, have an insurance(CJ), and let your darkhorse do your scaring (BCL)...LD doesn't concern about world ranking position anymore. He has the sponsorship, he has the titles, he doesnt need to prove himself anymore. Juggling the musical chair positions are for others to play.

LD doesn't concern about world ranking position anymore. He has the sponsorship, he has the titles, he doesnt need to prove himself anymore. Jugging for the musical chair positions are for others to play.

In a sense true. He is big time that's for sure but there is a bigger guy above him. When the boss says jump, LD says how high. No two ways about it.

In a sense true. He is big time that's for sure but there is a bigger guy above him. When the boss says jump, LD says how high. No two ways about it.
Great boss-reading!

we all have a boss, or 2 or 3 of them. What i said still hold true. The fact is, when a non-chinese plays against a chinese pro player, he/she is playing against not only the chinese player but the china team as well lol. Nothing new here:p It seem some people hold 2 opposing views at the same time, depending which direction the air draft is blowing. From 1 angle some hated lyb for fixing matches and yet the same people liked to copy chinese military style of training and jealous how successful lyb has been. People ran out of things to say about LD, now mostly about make believe scenario, like throwing rackets and other fantasy things. If u count the posters on this thread, they are mostly boleh fans...Shouldn't they be making prediction or talking about how LCW would do instead?

That's also my point.
I'd always want to see LD to lose.

yes its always interesting to see, but not in second round..:cool: it sounds really interesting in great SF or F battles:)

Well, that dubious match is now upon us. I'd bet my (continuously shrinking property value) house on LYB :cool: ... err LD ;).

I noticed that it wasn't LYB in the coach's seat with LD today..

I noticed that it wasn't LYB in the coach's seat with LD today..

well...lyb wont be seated there when the opponent is anup sridhar....:)

I thought Anup was surprisingly good. He also annoyed LD quite a bit, hehe.

Well, that dubious match is now upon us. I'd bet my (continuously shrinking property value) house on LYB :cool: ... err LD ;).trade ya house for my stocks?;)

trade ya house for my stocks?;)

Trade MY stocks for your house! ;)

I thought Anup was surprisingly good. He also annoyed LD quite a bit, hehe.

sure he is good if not he wont able to beat cwf in qualify round....:p...hehe....

sure he is good if not he wont able to beat cwf in qualify round....:p...hehe....
Nah.. Not all the players who appeared to be good who beaten CWF.
Basically, the yoyo CWF can be beaten by any one at any time..

Nah.. Not all the players who appeared to be good who beaten CWF.
Basically, the yoyo CWF can be beaten by any one at any time..
You do have a problem with CWF, don't you?

You do have a problem with CWF, don't you?


i dont think he is...just that CWF still did not show consistency in his game yet...if compared him with China players around his age...he still lack behind

i dont think he is...just that CWF still did not show consistency in his game yet...if compared him with China players around his age...he still lack behind

100% agree.....................Mjs.....still very much behine.......to juniors from Chn, Ina, Den......and now India........:eek:...:(

100% agree.....................Mjs.....still very much behine.......to juniors from Chn, Ina, Den......and now India........:eek:...:(

HAHAHAHAHAHA....anup sridhar is junior from india???applause....

well...lyb wont be seated there when the opponent is anup sridhar....:)



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We shall see at the 2009 All-England today, Thursday Mar 5 (Round 2), how this long awaited match will unfold.

Court No.2 at 8:35 pm : Chunlai BAO (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=F52CFDF6-3AB9-4A29-820C-CE30E6D7D260&player=11)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif [CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=F52CFDF6-3AB9-4A29-820C-CE30E6D7D260&c=CHN) -vs- http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif [CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=F52CFDF6-3AB9-4A29-820C-CE30E6D7D260&c=CHN)Dan LIN [2] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=F52CFDF6-3AB9-4A29-820C-CE30E6D7D260&player=2)

And wondering where LYB would be seated? :confused::confused::confused:
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Bao CL needs points while LYB needs title...so I'll go for LD

i think haven't all the top chinese MS in one side othe ladder is boring. I like to see lcw, pg and TH to face CH, BCL and/or LD at least in the QF and SF. Jamming them all in all side only to spur rumors of game fixing.

LD gonna win. he gotta get back his no. 1 ranking :D

i think haven't all the top chinese MS in one side othe ladder is boring. I like to see lcw, pg and TH to face CH, BCL and/or LD at least in the QF and SF. Jamming them all in all side only to spur rumors of game fixing.

maybe this is just the way of preventing an all China final or preventing China sending 3 MS at WC :p:D:p:D:p

HAHAHAHAHAHA....anup sridhar is junior from india???applause....

Its not funny.....Limsy.......I mean Anand Pawar and A bhat......they are young coming playing ...right...........Arif, TCS and LDR...lost to them....:cool:

i think haven't all the top chinese MS in one side othe ladder is boring. I like to see lcw, pg and TH to face CH, BCL and/or LD at least in the QF and SF. Jamming them all in all side only to spur rumors of game fixing.

You are already insinuating fixing by using words like "jamming them all in one side".

Tweaking the table purposedly to look more interesting for spectators, now that's fixing.

You are already insinuating fixing by using words like "jamming them all in one side".

Tweaking the table purposedly to look more interesting for spectators, now that's fixing.there is no perfect solution. Seeding of draw is by ranking so i say ranking is some what flawed. BWF should revamp the ranking point formula. For ex. why not retain all earning point for every player for seeding purpose. Why the need to expire earning points after 12 months? It is not fixing if bwf change the ranking and seeding rules. Popularity of a sports is only as good as it is enjoyed by the fans.

Logical choice is LD to win this derby match.

Trade MY stocks for your house! ;)

BTW how much is your house worth today?
How big, built-in and land area? :D

there is no perfect solution. Seeding of draw is by ranking so i say ranking is some what flawed. BWF should revamp the ranking point formula. For ex. why not retain all earning point for every player for seeding purpose. Why the need to expire earning points after 12 months? It is not fixing if bwf change the ranking and seeding rules. Popularity of a sports is only as good as it is enjoyed by the fans.

Like you said, there is no perfect solution.

To expire earning points after 12 months (or some other fixed period) is EXTREMELY important. If you don't expire it, the older players will have a marked advantage. I could garner tonnes of points 5 years ago and none since, and still be WR #1.

The seeding rules can't be changed much, because ultimately, it's best to follow the rankings. So, we need to improve the rankings.

However, the current way of ranking is already quite solid and is commonly used by many other sports. The only thing I can think of to tweak the system is to give more weightage to the Olympics and WC (i.e. more ranking points).

Like you said, there is no perfect solution.

To expire earning points after 12 months (or some other fixed period) is EXTREMELY important. If you don't expire it, the older players will have a marked advantage. I could garner tonnes of points 5 years ago and none since, and still be WR #1.

The seeding rules can't be changed much, because ultimately, it's best to follow the rankings. So, we need to improve the rankings.

However, the current way of ranking is already quite solid and is commonly used by many other sports. The only thing I can think of to tweak the system is to give more weightage to the Olympics and WC (i.e. more ranking points).
i only gave a highlight, i didn't mean that all past points should be retained. I prefer a gradual or prorated weighting, not stone cold cut of point that were 12 months plus 1 day old. For ex., pending refinement, i like to keep points for 5 years for each players, with 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, 4/5, 5/5 proration factor applied to each of the 5 years. Since we all know TH fans like to talk about his past, it would benefit TH as well, and he might not be stuck at such low ranking when many fans agreed that he is still a formidable player. This isn't hard to track, with computer of today, it is no more extra work than what we have now.

lets just wait calmly with our popcorn and coke or coffee ready to see whats going to happen in this match later;):D:D

LD doesn't concern about world ranking position anymore. He has the sponsorship, he has the titles, he doesnt need to prove himself anymore. Juggling the musical chair positions are for others to play.

Bjorndalen also has won all titles even more than LD. So? He is still at the top and still battles for wins like crazy

Will this match..........be the most talk about...or...the most entertaining..or.....the most boring one.................yb...l.......decides..!

i only gave a highlight, i didn't mean that all past points should be retained. I prefer a gradual or prorated weighting, not stone cold cut of point that were 12 months plus 1 day old. For ex., pending refinement, i like to keep points for 5 years for each players, with 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, 4/5, 5/5 proration factor applied to each of the 5 years. Since we all know TH fans like to talk about his past, it would benefit TH as well, and he might not be stuck at such low ranking when many fans agreed that he is still a formidable player. This isn't hard to track, with computer of today, it is no more extra work than what we have now.

The diminishing points feature is something that can be considered. The plus is that it takes tournaments beyond 12 months into account, which arguably can be considered a measure of a player's strength. The minus is that it takes 5 years for a new player to maximise his points.

LD gonna win. he gotta get back his no. 1 ranking :D

erm....to get back wr 1....he need to win ae,so,india open,abc,sudirman cup,po,io,sgo,to and a wc ...atleast....:)....

Its not funny.....Limsy.......I mean Anand Pawar and A bhat......they are young coming playing ...right...........Arif, TCS and LDR...lost to them....:cool:

u sure they are junior????:confused:...how old are they????....

erm....to get back wr 1....he need to win ae,so,india open,abc,sudirman cup,po,io,sgo,to and a wc ...atleast....:)....



u sure they are junior????:confused:...how old are they????....

If we are talking about Pawar and Bhat, they are not juniors anymore. :p

Spoke with them on the Belgian International last year

If we are talking about Pawar and Bhat, they are not juniors anymore. :p

Spoke with them on the Belgian International last year

hehe...they are like 25/26 it is???or older????:confused:

The diminishing points feature is something that can be considered. The plus is that it takes tournaments beyond 12 months into account, which arguably can be considered a measure of a player's strength. The minus is that it takes 5 years for a new player to maximise his points.5 years is just one option, one can use 4 or 3 years if this method is evaluated more closely.

..3 yrs, as that's a break point between 1 and 5 yrs.
..5 yrs, if that's a break point between 1 and 10 yrs.
;)

If we are talking about Pawar and Bhat, they are not juniors anymore. :p

Spoke with them on the Belgian International last year

hehe...they are like 25/26 it is???or older????:confused:
Of the Indian MS at the 2009 AE, Chetan Anand is the oldest - he is 28.
Anup Sridhar will be 26 next month.

Arvind Bhat is no junior - he is 29.
However, Anand Pawar is only 22.

Of the Indian MS at the 2009 AE, Chetan Anand is the oldest - he is 28.
Anup Sridhar will be 26 next month.

Arvind Bhat is no junior - he is 29.
However, Anand Pawar is only 22.

thanks uncle oldhand...so...ap is the rising star???:)

Of the Indian MS at the 2009 AE, Chetan Anand is the oldest - he is 28.
Anup Sridhar will be 26 next month.

Arvind Bhat is no junior - he is 29.
However, Anand Pawar is only 22.

am i the only one seeing an inconsistency here?

hehe...they are like 25/26 it is???or older????:confused:

but our LDR and TCS...or even CWF....all are 23/24 already...right...?....and they still so called 'juniors'...............:eek: and yet to past the qualifiying round of SS...........sigh..

sure this game got to be fixed !

Anand Pawar...a junior..22 y/o..........played in 1st round of AE.............where are our Mjs...?

sure this game got to be fixed !

Sure.....LD Vs BCL...both are world top players............finished the match in straight game...............below 15 points each..............got to be fixed.....from very beginning....

CJ and GWJ.....match also fixed................directed by YB....L:D:D:D

hehehe fixed ofx but for who ? sure got to b lin dan ? or let bcl hav chance to win ?

but our LDR and TCS...or even CWF....all are 23/24 already...right...?....and they still so called 'juniors'...............:eek: and yet to past the qualifiying round of SS...........sigh..

heheno comment on tcs...he have his time in 2007..but not 2009...;)...
cwf 22...:)....erm....just a few INCLUDE u call them as MJ...junior define as under 19...even in pro player thread....have 2 sperated thread...MJ 09 by gemini12....and back up/elite back up by me....;)

hehe...poor bao bao...u can say bye bye to seeded in wc now....:crying:....

wow, why are we talking about indian players,...etc..here?:D
so, the winner is lin dan as expected this time;)

Anand Pawar...a junior..22 y/o..........played in 1st round of AE.............where are our Mjs...?
The MJs not being able to get into the main draw is not an indication of lack of quality. Rather it's an indication of poor planning by the coach.If Rashid had targetted for that , he should have planned for each to play at least 12 tournaments a year.That's a sure way to get the required rankings!Don't even have to target how far to go.Just target for upsets in each tournament.
Take CHN's MSJ(Men's Singles Juniors).Between GWJ and LY, GWJ is the better one but his ranking is poorer than LY. Why? Because GWJ hardly have opportunities to compete and when he did,he was often unlucky to be drawn in CJ's quarter so he can't even reach QF like in this AE cos he has to make way for CJ and the favourite agreed score seemed to be 21/10;21/10. One time, GWJ forgot he had to give way and overtook CJ and the CHN coach had to shout him down.Poor GWJ.
LY has better rankings because in the past 12 months, he was in just about every tournament but he was unimpressive;usually exited R1 and if draw was lucky R2, if luckier QF.(There's nothing great about him beating LD in training.Maybe just a trick to give him confidence that if he can beat LD, sure he can do the same to LCW.) Sure, he has improved for this AE.LCW losing G1 was an indication of LCW's poor strategy.He wasn't sure how much LY has improved so he probably played a careful G1.
When LCW plays careful, he usually loses because it takes him a long time to get started,by which time the game is over.When LCW dictates play, he has the upper hand because he gets off the block super fast.But look at the G2 and G3 scores.LCW definitely in control but what awful G1 strategy.(Sorry, off-topic)

according to the score, a game was pretty walkawaed. didnt find in youtube though

The MJs not being able to get into the main draw is not an indication of lack of quality. Rather it's an indication of poor planning by the coach.If Rashid had targetted for that , he should have planned for each to play at least 12 tournaments a year.That's a sure way to get the required rankings!Don't even have to target how far to go.Just target for upsets in each tournament.
Take CHN's MSJ(Men's Singles Juniors).Between GWJ and LY, GWJ is the better one but his ranking is poorer than LY. Why? Because GWJ hardly have opportunities to compete and when he did,he was often unlucky to be drawn in CJ's quarter so he can't even reach QF like in this AE cos he has to make way for CJ and the favourite agreed score seemed to be 21/10;21/10. One time, GWJ forgot he had to give way and overtook CJ and the CHN coach had to shout him down.Poor GWJ.
LY has better rankings because in the past 12 months, he was in just about every tournament but he was unimpressive;usually exited R1 and if draw was lucky R2, if luckier QF.(There's nothing great about him beating LD in training.Maybe just a trick to give him confidence that if he can beat LD, sure he can do the same to LCW.) Sure, he has improved for this AE.LCW losing G1 was an indication of LCW's poor strategy.He wasn't sure how much LY has improved so he probably played a careful G1.
When LCW plays careful, he usually loses because it takes him a long time to get started,by which time the game is over.When LCW dictates play, he has the upper hand because he gets off the block super fast.But look at the G2 and G3 scores.LCW definitely in control but what awful G1 strategy.(Sorry, off-topic)
so r u suggesting that for lcw to be more successful, he should play more recklessly and take more riskier chances? How come he didn't 'take charge' or 'dictate' LD in the OG MS final?? It's a shame for BAM and bolehian fans that misbun didn't have u as his advsiory coach.

so r u suggesting that for lcw to be more successful, he should play more recklessly and take more riskier chances? How come he didn't 'take charge' or 'dictate' LD in the OG MS final?? It's a shame for BAM and bolehian fans that misbun didn't have u as his advsiory coach.
Why don't you analyse how LCW win his matches over the likes of LD,PG and TH?
MAS coaches are superb in terms of skills training but seem lacking in the thinking dept of strategy and tactics.At the top end, tactics decide the winner.
Sure, I would find the opportunity to discuss with Misbun how he figures out game plans, hopefully in SPO09 in June.I would say Misbun has more confidence in LCW now.
But I disagree with his idea that LCW has to play every SS to maintain his standard.I don't think Misbun understands the concept of mental exhaustion and 'burnt out' .Or the idea of 'less is more' ie LCW plays 10 SS,he may win 5;he plays 12 SS, he may win 3.