upset list for all england 09...

[limsy]

xd.
1)Jorrit DE RUITER/Ilse VAESSEN (wr 43) beat Robert ADCOCK/Heather OLVER(wr 32) 21-18 19-21 24-22
2)Andrew ELLIS/Sarah BOK(no wr)beatMarcus ELLIS/Samantha WARD(wr 78)18-21 21-18 23-21

ws
1)Hsiao Huan CHEN(wr 110) beat Porntip BURANAPRASERTSUK(42)21-11 21-10
2)Jill PITTARD (45) beat Anu NIEMINEN(wr 39)21-14 21-14

md
1)Robert ADCOCK/Dean GEORGE(wr 78) beat Juergen KOCH/Peter ZAUNER(wr 40) 21-15 21-18
2)Hanbin HE/Junjie SUN (wr 169) beat Alvent Yulianto CHANDRA/Hendra Aprida GUNAWAN(wr 80)21-19.21-19
3)Rasmus BONDE/Mikkel DELBO LARSEN(wr 118) beat Adam CWALINA/Wojciech SZKUDLARCZYK(wr 37)21-9 21-9

ms
1)Anand PAWAR(wr 46)beat Carl BAXTER(wr 35)18-21 21-17 23-21
2)Scott EVANS(wr55) beat Rajiv OUSEPH(wr 39)21-17 9-21 21-19
3)Wei Feng CHONG(wr 53)beat Tommy SUGIARTO(wr 42)21-19 18-21 21-19
4)Kestutis NAVICKAS(wr 56) Hans-Kristian VITTINGHUS(wr 40)21-10 13-21 21-19
5)Weijie GONG(wr 63) beat Petr KOUKAL(wr 36)13-21 21-17 23-21

[limsy]

this is 1st round of qualify round....2nd round will be updated after i wake up...hehe

[ctjcad]

..for the hope of Alvent and Hendra AG being one of the MD contenders from INA..;)

[krisss]

All the lower ranked people are beating the higher ranked ones lol :D

Unlucky rajiv osueph - my bets that if TH beats PG he will win :D

[madbad]

Half of these can't be counted as upsets. Just because the winner has a lower ranking doesn't mean they are inferior to his/her opponent. You have to take form and country into account too. Some of the ranking differences are marginal, so to call that an upset is stretching it a little. Lastly, when you have lower ranked players duking it out, players who you can't even name, I'm not going to be blown off my chair, thinking "Oooo, now that's an upset".

Now, I'm upset ;)

[Dreamzz]

gotta admit though, tough luck meeting HHB and SJJ in the qualifying.

[jasonmarc]

MO Super series....finalist.......fail to qualified to main draw......sure an up - set !

[Loh]

..for the hope of Alvent and Hendra AG being one of the MD contenders from INA..;)

All the more you've got to watch the Chinese ... ;)

[narnia]

xd.
1)Jorrit DE RUITER/Ilse VAESSEN (wr 43) beat Robert ADCOCK/Heather OLVER(wr 32) 21-18 19-21 24-22
..............

Wow, even looking up the world ranks... it should be much hard working! :)

[red_dragon]

yeh..... sometimes world rankings can be a little misleading as to how many tournaments are played, good players in that tournament etc....

unless a top 10 or even top 20 loses to a no name, its not really an upset for me :p

hahahha.......... dun really think HHB is a 169 rank

[hcyong]

I agree with madbad. There are even times when you can consider a higher-ranked player beating someone lower-ranked to be an upset.

However, I understand the need to have a standard of measure, and except for rankings, all measures are arbitrary and subject to personal judgement. Therefore, there is no choice except to use rankings if we want to avoid bickering.

That said, there are certain things which can be improved on.
1) State outright that your upset list is based purely on world rankings.
2) Use notional points for doubles (just see the M/Q report list released by BWF; example for AE use this (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/SWE09/Swiss%20Open%20M&Q%20Version%207%2024[1].02.2009%20to%20HOST.xls)). Notional points tend to be more accurate. For example, KKK/Fairuz don't have WR; according to WR, they will upset a lot of pairs, but if you use notional points, they are actually ranked higher than many pairs.

[jutawin]

If the ranking margin below 15. We cannot count it as an upset.

[hcyong]

If the ranking margin below 15. We cannot count it as an upset.

You mean if anyone ranked above 15 beat Lin Dan, it's not an upset?

[george@chongwei]

Now, I'm upset ;)
u are upset?:rolleyes::confused:
oh, camon..just wait and see HHY's performance in this tournament 1st:):p

[limsy]

Half of these can't be counted as upsets. Just because the winner has a lower ranking doesn't mean they are inferior to his/her opponent. You have to take form and country into account too. Some of the ranking differences are marginal, so to call that an upset is stretching it a little. Lastly, when you have lower ranked players duking it out, players who you can't even name, I'm not going to be blown off my chair, thinking "Oooo, now that's an upset".

Now, I'm upset ;)


yeh..... sometimes world rankings can be a little misleading as to how many tournaments are played, good players in that tournament etc....

unless a top 10 or even top 20 loses to a no name, its not really an upset for me :p

hahahha.......... dun really think HHB is a 169 rank


I agree with madbad. There are even times when you can consider a higher-ranked player beating someone lower-ranked to be an upset.

However, I understand the need to have a standard of measure, and except for rankings, all measures are arbitrary and subject to personal judgement. Therefore, there is no choice except to use rankings if we want to avoid bickering.

That said, there are certain things which can be improved on.
1) State outright that your upset list is based purely on world rankings.
2) Use notional points for doubles (just see the M/Q report list released by BWF; example for AE use this (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/SWE09/Swiss%20Open%20M&Q%20Version%207%2024[1].02.2009%20to%20HOST.xls)). Notional points tend to be more accurate. For example, KKK/Fairuz don't have WR; according to WR, they will upset a lot of pairs, but if you use notional points, they are actually ranked higher than many pairs.


If the ranking margin below 15. We cannot count it as an upset.

for hcyong...if their wr is in bwf list...no need to use notional points...;)...
anyway...for those disagree....we already have MANY DISCUSION ON PREVIOUS UPSET LIST THREAD....PLS HAVE A LOOK THERE...:)

we have reach agreement to use ONLY WR since last year...

[eaglehelang]

That said, there are certain things which can be improved on.
1) State outright that your upset list is based purely on world rankings.
2) Use notional points for doubles (just see the M/Q report list released by BWF; example for AE use this (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/SWE09/Swiss%20Open%20M&Q%20Version%207%2024%5B1%5D.02.2009%20to%20HOST.xl s)). Notional points tend to be more accurate. For example, KKK/Fairuz don't have WR; according to WR, they will upset a lot of pairs, but if you use notional points, they are actually ranked higher than many pairs.

1) We already did so many times, that's why nowadays there's very few posts about "This is not an upset, cannot be considered an upset", etc.

2) THe latest WR is used, if necessary, updated when it's out on Thursday for matches before thursday. At times, even after the pair have player 2 tourneys, they still do not have WR.:D

Jutawin, if it's in the top ten, WR# 9 beating WR#2 may be considered upset by many, it's more competitive. IF we dont put it as upset, someone will complain, so we make it standard. ;)
And as I already explained bf, 5 WR difference & above is considered upset, below is listed under "Others" if I do it. LImsy doesnt put it on the list if difference of 5 WR & below.
If looking at each player strength, etc, WR#5 beat WR#3 can also be an upset, depending on who it is, debates going back & forth on this has also happened bf, especially in MS dept.

Limsy, maybe you can put that those listed today are from qualifying round, round 1 one as round 1, and so forth. Some ppl maybe will get confused ;)

[limsy]

Limsy, maybe you can put that those listed today are from qualifying round, round 1 one as round 1, and so forth. Some ppl maybe will get confused ;)


this is 1st round of qualify round....2nd round will be updated after i wake up...hehe

i say 1st round of qualify round....:)

[limsy]

complete upset list for QUALIFY ROUND...:)
pls kindly point out if i miss any...:)

xd.
1)Jorrit DE RUITER/Ilse VAESSEN (wr 43) beat Robert ADCOCK/Heather OLVER(wr 32) 21-18 19-21 24-22
2)Andrew ELLIS/Sarah BOK(no wr)beatMarcus ELLIS/Samantha WARD(wr 78)18-21 21-18 23-21

ws
1)Hsiao Huan CHEN(wr 110) beat Porntip BURANAPRASERTSUK(42)21-11 21-10
2)Jill PITTARD (45) beat Anu NIEMINEN(wr 39)21-14 21-14

md
1)Robert ADCOCK/Dean GEORGE(wr 78) beat Juergen KOCH/Peter ZAUNER(wr 40) 21-15 21-18
2)Hanbin HE/Junjie SUN (wr 169) beat Alvent Yulianto CHANDRA/Hendra Aprida GUNAWAN(wr 80)21-19.21-19
3)Rasmus BONDE/Mikkel DELBO LARSEN(wr 118) beat Adam CWALINA/Wojciech SZKUDLARCZYK(wr 37)21-9 21-9

ms
1)Anand PAWAR(wr 46)beat Carl BAXTER(wr 35)18-21 21-17 23-21
2)Scott EVANS(wr55) beat Rajiv OUSEPH(wr 39)21-17 9-21 21-19
3)Wei Feng CHONG(wr 53)beat Tommy SUGIARTO(wr 42)21-19 18-21 21-19
4)Kestutis NAVICKAS(wr 56) Hans-Kristian VITTINGHUS(wr 40)21-10 13-21 21-19
5)Weijie GONG(wr 63) beat Petr KOUKAL(wr 36)13-21 21-17 23-21
6)Weijie GONG ( wr 63) beat Tanongsak SAENSOMBOONSUK(wr 41)19-21 21-16 21-14

[limsy]

upset list of 1st round in ae 09....:)...kindly point out if i miss any...:)

ms
7)Marc ZWIEBLER(wr 33) beat Boonsak PONSANA (wr 12)14-21 21-15 22-20
8)Sho SASAKI(wr 24) beat Przemyslaw WACHA(wr 9,seeded 8)21-15 22-20
9)Ville LANG(wr 28) beat Dicky PALYAMA(wr 23)14-21 21-10 21-18
10)Jan O JORGENSEN(wr 34) beat Choong Hann WONG(wr 14) 21-13 21-15
11)Weijie GONG(wr 63) beat Arvind BHAT(wr 27)21-19 22-20

ws
3)Nanna BROSOLAT JENSEN(wr46) beat Susan HUGHES(wr 27)13-21 21-16 21-17
4)Youn Joo BAE(wr 40) beat Salakjit PONSANA (wr 33)21-18 17-21 21-18

md
4)Yi Goo KWON/Yeon Seong YOO(notional point will be wr 28)beat Michal LOGOSZ/Robert MATEUSIAK(wr 10)22-20 21-17

wd
1)Chiou Hwee HAW/Pek Siah LIM(wr 49) beat Jwala GUTTA/Shruti KURIAN(wr 24)21-9 19-21 21-18

xd
3)Bo ZHENG/Jin MA(64) beat Chen XU/Yunlei ZHAO(wr 47)21-14 21-13
4)Flandy LIMPELE/Anastasia RUSSKIKH(notional point at wr 30) beat Zhongbo XIE/Yawen ZHANG(wr 9)16-21 21-18 21-17

other(defeat player less than 5 rung above them in wr)
Larisa GRIGA 3
Kasper/Christ 3
Anders KRISTIANSEN/Simon MOLLYHUS 3
Shu CHENG/Yunlei ZHAO 1

[george@chongwei]

men, so many upsets already after just 2 days of competition.

[Morten]

upset list of 1st round in ae 09....:)...kindly point out if i miss any...:)

ms
7)Marc ZWIEBLER(wr 33) beat Boonsak PONSANA (wr 12)14-21 21-15 22-20
8)Sho SASAKI(wr 24) beat Przemyslaw WACHA(wr 9,seeded 8)21-15 22-20
9)Ville LANG(wr 28) beat Dicky PALYAMA(wr 23)14-21 21-10 21-18
10)Jan O JORGENSEN(wr 34) beat Choong Hann WONG(wr 14) 21-13 21-15
11)Weijie GONG(wr 63) beat Arvind BHAT(wr 27)21-19 22-20

ws
3)Nanna BROSOLAT JENSEN(wr46) beat Susan HUGHES(wr 27)13-21 21-16 21-17
4)Youn Joo BAE(wr 40) beat Salakjit PONSANA (wr 33)21-18 17-21 21-18

md
4)Yi Goo KWON/Yeon Seong YOO(notional point will be wr 28)beat Michal LOGOSZ/Robert MATEUSIAK(wr 10)22-20 21-17

wd
1)Chiou Hwee HAW/Pek Siah LIM(wr 49) beat Jwala GUTTA/Shruti KURIAN(wr 24)21-9 19-21 21-18

xd
3)Bo ZHENG/Jin MA(64) beat Chen XU/Yunlei ZHAO(wr 47)21-14 21-13
4)Flandy LIMPELE/Anastasia RUSSKIKH(notional point at wr 30) beat Zhongbo XIE/Yawen ZHANG(wr 9)16-21 21-18 21-17

other(defeat player less than 5 rung above them in wr)
Larisa GRIGA 3
Kasper/Christ 3
Anders KRISTIANSEN/Simon MOLLYHUS 3
Shu CHENG/Yunlei ZHAO 1


I would not consider Zheng Bo/Ma Jin an upset since Zheng Bo used to be ranked 1 in the world together with Gao Ling.

[limsy]

I would not consider Zheng Bo/Ma Jin an upset since Zheng Bo used to be ranked 1 in the world together with Gao Ling.

read below post...


2) THe latest WR is used, if necessary, updated when it's out on Thursday for matches before thursday. At times, even after the pair have player 2 tourneys, they still do not have WR.:D

And as I already explained bf, 5 WR difference & above is considered upset, below is listed under "Others" if I do it. LImsy doesnt put it on the list if difference of 5 WR & below.
If looking at each player strength, etc, WR#5 beat WR#3 can also be an upset, depending on who it is, debates going back & forth on this has also happened bf, especially in MS dept.



anyway...for those disagree....we already have MANY DISCUSION ON PREVIOUS UPSET LIST THREAD....PLS HAVE A LOOK THERE...:)

we have reach agreement to use ONLY WR since last year...

the debate will never stop if we didnt set the standard...:)...so...now the standard is using world ranking...more than 5 different will be consider as upset

[tcy148]

OMG! Pi HongYan is out!!!!

[RedShuttle]

I would not consider Zheng Bo/Ma Jin an upset since Zheng Bo used to be ranked 1 in the world together with Gao Ling.
That result smells team order. Zheng Bo's smash is way too weak for a male partner in XD.

[jutawin]

Limsy,
you should prepare to add your upset list.
Ville lang is ready to beat LCW..

[koo_fan]

Limsy,
you should prepare to add your upset list.
Ville lang is ready to beat LCW..
That's overstated, jutawin/
aduh, hehe

[limsy]

Limsy,
you should prepare to add your upset list.
Ville lang is ready to beat LCW..

no problem...lcw is wr 1...easy...just need to check ville lang wr...then...done...;)...provided what u say will become true....;)

[limsy]

this is the complete upset list for round 2 in all england....:)....hope there is more to come....

ms
12)Sho SASAKI(wr 30) beat Tsuen Seng LEE (wr 25)21-11 21-12

ws
5) Nanna BROSOLAT JENSEN (wr 46) Hongyan PI (wr 4,seeded 4)21-18 14-21 21-19
6)Julia Pei Xian WONG(wr 16) beat Huaiwen XU(wr 9,seeded 8)23-21 15-21 21-16
7)Yihan WANG(wr 17) beat Mi ZHOU(wr 2 seeded 2) 21-19 18-21 23-21
8)Pui Yin YIP(wr 15) beat Lin WANG (wr 8,seeded 7]15-21 26-24 21-19

wd
2)Jenny WALLWORk/Gabrielle WHITE(wr 28) beat Lena FRIER KRISTIANSEN/Kamilla RYTTER JUHL(wr 9,seeded 6) 21-12 21-8
3)Pan PAN/Qing TIAN(wr 18) beat Eei Hui CHIN/Pei Tty WONG(wr 1,seeded 2)21-16 21-9

xd
5)Devin Lahardi FITRIAWAN/Lita NURLITA(wr 25)Rasmus BONDE/Helle NIELSEN (wr 13)21-17 22-20
6)Sung Hyun KO/Jung Eun HA(wr 91)Sudket PRAPAKAMOL/Saralee THOUNGTHONGKAM (wr 10,seeded 8)21-18 21-12
7)Bo ZHENG/Jin MA(wr 48) Thomas LAYBOURN/Kamilla RYTTER JUHL(wr 5,seeded 5)16-21 21-12 21-18
8)landy LIMPELE/Anastasia RUSSKIKH(notional point at wr 30) Robert BLAIR/Imogen BANKIER(wr 7,seeded 7)26-24 21-19

[george@chongwei]

upsets sometimes makes us happy:), sometimes make us sad though:(

[george@chongwei]

Limsy,
you should prepare to add your upset list.
Ville lang is ready to beat LCW..
will th create an upset today?:rolleyes:
i dont think so as his style of play nearly cost him in his match during the 1st and 2nd round respectively;)

[DeVi|_FaT]

why some pairings with wr of 1 are seeded 2 for this tourney?
Also, what ever happened to the no.1 seeds in men's doubles?
if im not mistaken, the no.1 seeds for md is kido / setiawan??

[jutawin]

will th create an upset today?:rolleyes:
i dont think so as his style of play nearly cost him in his match during the 1st and 2nd round respectively;)
If Taufik beat PG, I don't think it's an upset..
coz their ranking is close, n they also have the same ability.

[robin7]

this is the complete upset list for round 2 in all england....:)....hope there is more to come....

ms
12)Sho SASAKI(wr 30) beat Tsuen Seng LEE (wr 25)21-11 21-12
Not surprising but the scorelines could have been more respectable.
ws
5) Nanna BROSOLAT JENSEN (wr 46) Hongyan PI (wr 4,seeded 4)21-18 14-21 21-19
This is a real upset to me.
6)Julia Pei Xian WONG(wr 16) beat Huaiwen XU(wr 9,seeded 8)23-21 15-21 21-16
Not surprising as Julia has beaten top players like Tine.
7)Yihan WANG(wr 17) beat Mi ZHOU(wr 2 seeded 2) 21-19 18-21 23-21
Not surprising but the way WYH won was incredible.
8)Pui Yin YIP(wr 15) beat Lin WANG (wr 8,seeded 7]15-21 26-24 21-19
Almost everyone picked WL.
wd
2)Jenny WALLWORk/Gabrielle WHITE(wr 28) beat Lena FRIER KRISTIANSEN/Kamilla RYTTER JUHL(wr 9,seeded 6) 21-12 21-8
Not sure what happened?
3)Pan PAN/Qing TIAN(wr 18) beat Eei Hui CHIN/Pei Tty WONG(wr 1,seeded 2)21-16 21-9
Not surprising but the scorelines could have been more respectable.
xd
5)Devin Lahardi FITRIAWAN/Lita NURLITA(wr 25)Rasmus BONDE/Helle NIELSEN (wr 13)21-17 22-20
Well done DeviL!
6)Sung Hyun KO/Jung Eun HA(wr 91)Sudket PRAPAKAMOL/Saralee THOUNGTHONGKAM (wr 10,seeded 8)21-18 21-12
The Thai pair has not been doing well lately.
7)Bo ZHENG/Jin MA(wr 48) Thomas LAYBOURN/Kamilla RYTTER JUHL(wr 5,seeded 5)16-21 21-12 21-18
Not surprising.
8)landy LIMPELE/Anastasia RUSSKIKH(notional point at wr 30) Robert BLAIR/Imogen BANKIER(wr 7,seeded 7)26-24 21-19
Not surprising.

The real upset to me was Nanna beating Pi Hongyan and the way she won it.

[eaglehelang]

why some pairings with wr of 1 are seeded 2 for this tourney?
Also, what ever happened to the no.1 seeds in men's doubles?
if im not mistaken, the no.1 seeds for md is kido / setiawan??

If you read the withdrawal thread, it was MK/Hendra withdrew cos Kido's knee not fully recovered yet.


If Taufik beat PG, I don't think it's an upset..
coz their ranking is close, n they also have the same ability.

Ah ha Jutawin, you getting the hang of it. It'll be under "Others", Taufik = WR#7, PG WR#4, difference of 3 WR. ;)

[jutawin]

Ah ha Jutawin, you getting the hang of it. It'll be under "Others", Taufik = WR#7, PG WR#4, difference of 3 WR. ;)
I think difference of 3 WR, still close.
I bet for Taufik this time :D:D:D

[limsy]

why some pairings with wr of 1 are seeded 2 for this tourney?
Also, what ever happened to the no.1 seeds in men's doubles?
if im not mistaken, the no.1 seeds for md is kido / setiawan??

ok...world ranking change every thrusday....;)....so those seeded might climb higher in world ranking....for other reason....like at the same time last year....u play in XYZ tournament...this year u didnt defend ur point....and no OTHER HIGHER world ranking point to subsitute...so...ur world ranking will drop...thats why wong/chin become world number 1...as opponent drop points....:)

[ctjcad]

..since a few have voiced their opinions on what is, maybe and what is not an "Upset", how about if we consider this idea. Yes, i've read the idea brought up by eaglehelang before.;)
The idea is, if we want, we could set somekind of a reasonable barrier or gap in between those ranked players, since we don't know the "strength" of those ranked outside the top 10 or 20 or 30 (they could have somewhat equal/have relatively the same strength) and vice versa with those ranked in the top 10 (which we probably know their strength) :

The criteria is:
-Those players, currently ranked in the top 10 in the world, losing to those outside the top 10 could be considered as "Upset".
Or to increase the gap, another option is..
-Those players ranked in the top 5 in the world losing to those outside the top 10 could be considered as "Upset".

Here's the kicker. Now, if LinDan (WR #2) were to beat LCW (WR #1) in this AE (should they meet each other in the Final), would we call that an upset?

Thus, in terms of the severity of an "Upset", maybe we can give it a grade:
-Upset - WR#2 (top 10 or top 5)) losing to a WR#12 (outside top 10) or WR#2 losing to a WR#35 (outside top 10).
-Mild Upset - WR#16 losing to a WR#29 (both outside top 10 in the world but with a bigger gap).
-Minor Upset - WR#13 losing to a WR#16 or WR#2 losing to WR#8 (both within the group of 10).

[eaglehelang]

Ctjcad, you're most welcome to compute the minor & major upsets & add in your own post.:D:p:p We got no time to do so many separate categories (unless our LImsy wants to take up the task, while he's free).
And for sure, there'll be debating back & forth even with the criteria you propose.

And again, if WR#2 beat WR#1 is under "others" means not upset.
WR#5 beating WR#1 was considered upset before by members.

Whether major or minor upset, there will be those who consider NOT an upset or if it's not listed, as an upset. Even unranked pairs beating seeded pairs (WR top 20) are not considered upsets by some as they're considered strong, esp China or Korea's experimental pairs.
And it will go on and on and on..................

[ctjcad]

..well, i think calling it just an "Upset"(whenever a lower ranked player/pair beats a higher ranked player/pair) is too broad and general.

What is their reason(s) behind : "Even unranked pairs beating seeded pairs (WR top 20) are not considered upsets by some as they're considered strong, esp China or Korea's experimental pairs."?? Strong based on what?? Their more experienced compatriots??

What is their reason(s) behind : "And again, if WR#2 beat WR#1 is under "others" means not upset."?

However, i would call this not an Upset but a Minor Upset : "WR#5 beating WR#1 was considered upset before by members."

The WR is there for a purpose, no?? Shouldn't there be some sort of classification, don't you think?..:p

[pjswift]

Well, their upset criteria is good enough as a quick shorthand to the unexpected.
Anything more intricate,it will be longhand and that's not good.
Details for details' sake is work lacking wisdom;of course that's from a minimum effort point of view.
Ultimately, it's good to be standardised so that if up to it,the tournaments upset data could be analysed in many ways to predict future outcome in some ways.

[eaglehelang]

..well, i think calling it just an "Upset"(whenever a lower ranked player/pair beats a higher ranked player/pair) is too broad and general.
.................

What is their reason(s) behind : "And again, if WR#2 beat WR#1 is under "others" means not upset."?

However, i would call this not an Upset but a Minor Upset : "WR#5 beating WR#1 was considered upset before by members."

The WR is there for a purpose, no?? Shouldn't there be some sort of classification, don't you think?..:p

We do follow WR. Like I just said, you can categorise into MAJOR, MEDIUM, MINOR (whatever terms), by all means, haha.:D

The "others" category I started it for WR difference 5 or below. WR#2 beat WR#1 is only 1 WR difference. WR#5 beating WR#1 is under "Others" then, not main list, if you've noticed the formating.

As for China/Korea stratch pairs, read back, you'll see many posts on Fu/new partner beating a pair as NOT upset. Or Cai Yun/Xu Chen beating a top #20 pair, esp if the opponent is a so so non Asian pair. Or LYD/Shin, newly crowned German OPen winner. This thread alone there's a comment on Zheng Bo/Ma Jin's win shouldnt be considered upset as GL/Zheng Bo were a splendid.

I was just pointing out that no matter how many categories or sub sections we put, for sure there'll be those who have differing opinions. So, if you want to add in or do, do lor, we all no time.:p

[eaglehelang]

.....Ultimately, it's good to be standardised so that if up to it,the tournaments upset data could be analysed in many ways to predict future outcome in some ways.

Yup, seems you have used it too for analysis.
1) Very useful in debates in other threads 2) for future PAW games :D

[ctjcad]

..just for the fact of taking into consideration numerous factors such as:
WR, presumed ability of an unknown player/pair, outside uncontrollable factors such as an injury, make it more worthwhile to consider making a type of Upset.
We all know what the top 5 or top 10 ranked players/pairs in the world can and have done. But do we know what those outside the top 10 or 20 can and have done?
Therefore, if a WR#2 (LinDan) beat a WR#1 (LCW), can we call that an "Upset"? I personally would call it a Minor Upset, as the only indicative factor is the WR. Now, if it's a WR#20 beating a WR#2, then i would call that an Upset (based on my proposed idea).

I feel we're still developing on this idea..:p

[limsy]

my sentense is easy and my conclusion is:
the standard we already set,above 5 wr different,consider as upset....below will consider in other....if still any comment....my reply is:yes....u can do ur own upset list(because any explain will just bring in more and more debate....if anyone feel tat the STANDARD UPSET LIST IS INCORRECT...just tell me...and i can just everytime sit back and relax....no need do research or hard work...just stop doing will be better...;)....)

[jutawin]

Taufik beat Peter gade is not an upset.. but it's a Reality..
http://cinta.kaskusradio.com/bigonion/smiley/A_129.gif (http://xtremenitro.org)
little bit arrogant... hehe...

[koo_fan]

hmm...now it's time for Th fans to voice out.

So , jutawin.have it all yours.

[nunu27]

Taufik beat Peter gade is not an upset.. but it's a Reality..
http://cinta.kaskusradio.com/bigonion/smiley/A_129.gif (http://xtremenitro.org)
little bit arrogant... hehe...

hahahaha...:D:D:D:p...sometimes make sense...:p:p:p

[eaglehelang]

..just for the fact of taking into consideration numerous factors such as:
............But do we know what those outside the top 10 or 20 can and have done? For pairs,the members comments is normally based on the individual player's performance with their previous partners
Therefore, if a WR#2 (LinDan) beat a WR#1 (LCW), can we call that an "Upset"? I personally would call it a Minor Upset, as the only indicative factor is the WR. Now, if it's a WR#20 beating a WR#2, then i would call that an Upset (based on my proposed idea).

I feel we're still developing on this idea..:p

Anyway, you still didnt catch the main idea : if you want, after the list is out, divide it into the categories you propose & post it. Those of us who do the current list dont own it, so to speak ;). ANd then of course, there'll be those who wouldnt agree to the sub categories too, haha.

Cos most of our time is already taken up searching for the WR(some names have the weird ~ or ' sign in front of it, making the search function harder), esp for doubles dept with the oft changing partners. Hence the we all no time comment.:D:D

[limsy]

Anyway, you still didnt catch the main idea : if you want, after the list is out, divide it into the categories you propose & post it. Those of us who do the current list dont own it, so to speak ;). ANd then of course, there'll be those who wouldnt agree to the sub categories too, haha.

why should????just relax lar....chriss....do the list from next tournament????ok...swiss open...ok????:)
CHRISS????

[jutawin]

hmm...now it's time for Th fans to voice out.

So , jutawin.have it all yours.

yeah. I will support TH today..
Yesterday, i have predicted KKK/TBH will lose.
If you put more expectation on KKK/TBH, they will disappoint you more..

[limsy]

complete upset list from quater final of ae 09....

ws
9)Yanjiao JIANG(wr 29) beat Lan LU (wr 3,seeded 3)21-18 22-20
10)Nanna BROSOLAT JENSEN(wr 46) beat Julia Pei Xian WONG(wr 16)21-16 21-16
11)Yihan WANG(wr 17) Xingfang XIE(wr 5,seeded 5)21-9 21-13

md
5)Yun CAI/haifeng FU(wr 8,seeded 7) beat Lars PAASKE/Jonas RASMUSSEN(wr 3,seeded 2)21-17 21-16
6)Sang Hoon HAN /Ji Man HWANG(wr 166) beat Mohd Zakry ABDUL LATIF/Mohd Fairuzizuan MOHD TAZARI(wr 5,seeded 4)21-9 22-20

wd
4)Shu CHENG/Yunlei ZHAO(wr 7) beat Wen Hsing CHENG/Yu Chin CHIEN(wr 2,seeded1)19-21 21-15 21-18

xd
9)Sung Hyun KO/Jung Eun HA(wr 91) beat Anthony CLARK/Donna KELLOGG(wr 4,seeded 4)21-16 15-21 21-11
10)Flandy LIMPELE/Anastasia RUSSKIKH (notional points at wr 30) beat Nova WIDIANTO/Liliyana NATSIR(wr 1,seeded 1)21-13 21-23 21-16
11)Bo ZHENG/Jin MA (wr 46) beat Yong Dae LEE/Hyo Jung LEE(wr 2,seeded 2)13-21 21-18 21-18

others( beat player higher than them but less than 5 wr different)
th 3
boe/morgensen 5th seed beat koo/tan 3rd seed...but danes wr 4 and koo/tan wr 6)

[Destricto_Ense]

I don't think it was much of an upset the LCW beat Taufik, but it sure upset me :P

[limsy]

I don't think it was much of an upset the LCW beat Taufik, but it sure upset me :P

win for world number 1 is no upset...but lost to player outside top 6 will be upset....

[koo_fan]

6)Sang Hoon HAN /Ji Man HWANG(wr 166) beat Mohd Zakry ABDUL LATIF/Mohd Fairuzizuan MOHD TAZARI(wr 5,seeded 4)21-9 22-20



And the upset winner goes to final.Justification for the fuzzy.

[eaglehelang]

I don't think it was much of an upset the LCW beat Taufik, but it sure upset me :P

WR#1 beating WR#7 is not an upset, if it was WR#7 beating WR#1, then only upset. Taufik beating PG(WR#4) though was an "Other" or minor upset, depending on which category you want to put it in. :p

[ctjcad]

Anyway, you still didnt catch the main idea : if you want, after the list is out, divide it into the categories you propose & post it. Those of us who do the current list dont own it, so to speak ;). ANd then of course, there'll be those who wouldnt agree to the sub categories too, haha.

Cos most of our time is already taken up searching for the WR(some names have the weird ~ or ' sign in front of it, making the search function harder), esp for doubles dept with the oft changing partners. Hence the we all no time comment.:D:D

why should????just relax lar....chriss....do the list from next tournament????ok...swiss open...ok????:)
CHRISS????
..it's still in a refining mode..;)
I won't be surprised if, in the future, some others will come in and ask/comment about the "Upset" list. I'm just suggesting my "imperfect" idea, based on the previous comments.;)
Personally, i'm open to making the "Upset" list more "agreeable"..:)

[limsy]

..it's still in a refining mode..;)
I won't be surprised if, in the future, some others will come in and ask/comment about the "Upset" list. I'm just suggesting my "imperfect" idea, based on the previous comments.;)
Personally, i'm open to making the "Upset" list more "agreeable"..:)

if u set the rule...ppl question it...then u change again???...next time....can i ask for:smash more than 300 km/h score 2 points...backhand smash more than 250km/h score 2 points....hit opponent face -1????can????:rolleyes:...we set rule to avoid arguement....if u START TO tolerate with arguement...the will have more and more ppl come to ask u change this and tat...;)...

if u still stand on ur view....tell me...hehe...i will retired from doing this...:D...u take over....:p

[eaglehelang]

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I won't be surprised if, in the future, some others will come in and ask/comment about the "Upset" list. I'm just suggesting my "imperfect" idea, based on the previous comments.;)
Personally, i'm open to making the "Upset" list more "agreeable"..:)

They have ALREADY done so, you're like the 30th person or so with different suggestions :D.
So, you want to do Swiss Open list ??? :p:p

[ctjcad]

if u set the rule...ppl question it...then u change again???...next time....can i ask for:smash more than 300 km/h score 2 points...backhand smash more than 250km/h score 2 points....hit opponent face -1????can????:rolleyes:...we set rule to avoid arguement....if u START TO tolerate with arguement...the will have more and more ppl come to ask u change this and tat...;)...

if u still stand on ur view....tell me...hehe...i will retired from doing this...:D...u take over....:p


They have ALREADY done so, you're like the 30th person or so with different suggestions :D.
So, you want to do Swiss Open list ??? :p:p
..no more "Upset" list for a while..:D..that'll save limsy's (and anyone's) precious time...:p ;) :p
If someone else wishes to re-start it, then let her/him jump start on it..;)

[limsy]

..no more "Upset" list for a while..:D..that'll save limsy's (and anyone's) precious time...:p ;) :p
If someone else wishes to re-start it, then let her/him jump start on it..;)

maybe u is the one....want????:)...

[chris-ccc]

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limsy and eaglehelang have been doing OK in creating their upset lists. Let's allow them to continue with their rules/conditions.

If people object, then they can start their own different upset lists.
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[gary_seeker]

chen jin win over LD doesn't count meh ? =p

[robin7]

I just don't understand why there are always people questioning on the "validity" the list of upsets. Look at it, 1/4 of the thread is taken to address the recurring questions again. I have given up long time ago.

[limsy]

chen jin win over LD doesn't count meh ? =p

huh????look again..carefully on the result....:D

and today list not done yet...;)


I have given up long time ago.

this mean u agree???or disagree????:crying:

[george@chongwei]

I don't think it was much of an upset the LCW beat Taufik, but it sure upset me :P
thats surely not an upset of course!:D
but 1 thing is for sure, it didnt upset me at all :p

[eaglehelang]

chen jin win over LD doesn't count meh ? =p
Lin Dan won, not Chen Jin. LD is WR#2, CJ WR#3.;)


I just don't understand why there are always people questioning on the "validity" the list of upsets. Look at it, 1/4 of the thread is taken to address the recurring questions again. I have given up long time ago.

Hiyaaa, bang robin7, means you not helping us to do anymore? At least some of the time?? :(

[eaglehelang]

maybe u is the one....want????:)...
;);):D:D agree, agree, then Swiss SS, India Open & ABC we relax.


..no more "Upset" list for a while..:D..that'll save limsy's (and anyone's) precious time...:p ;) :p
If someone else wishes to re-start it, then let her/him jump start on it..;)

Muhahaha, thought so, when got work to do, all run away.
And.........I've actually done that too, then there were a few members who asked "where's this tourney's upset list? why you merajuk, dont want to do kah? Do lah, I like to see." You can search the previous tourneys threads, it's all posted there. ......oh well, that covers all......:D

So, 2009 Swiss SS, you can do your sub categories & post it for further analysing & bantering of our beloved members. :p:p:p

[koo_fan]

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limsy and eaglehelang have been doing OK in creating their upset lists. Let's allow them to continue with their rules/conditions.

If people object, then they can start their own different upset lists.
.
aye.
As for me, read only lor.

My appreciation for the efforts.

[limsy]

this is the upset list in semis....:)

xd
12)Sung Hyun KO/Jung Eun HA(wr 91) beat Bo ZHENG/Jin MA(wr 46)20-22 24-22 21-12

md
7)Sang Hoon HAN/Ji Man HWANG(wr 166) beat Yong Dae LEE/Baek Choel SHIN(6th seeded)21-17 21-18

others(below 5 wr different)
caiyun/fu haifeng 4

[limsy]

;);):D:D agree, agree, then Swiss SS, India Open & ABC we relax.
Muhahaha, thought so, when got work to do, all run away.
And.........I've actually done that too, then there were a few members who asked "where's this tourney's upset list? why you merajuk, dont want to do kah? Do lah, I like to see." You can search the previous tourneys threads, it's all posted there. ......oh well, that covers all......:D

So, 2009 Swiss SS, you can do your sub categories & post it for further analysing & bantering of our beloved members. :p:p:p

nevermind...i stop here....hehe...wait ppl say why my post increase so much ect....must post less...so...i stop at this ae....:)...chris...take over from me ya....:D

[eaglehelang]

After FINALS
Limsy has retired at the last lap, hehe

WS
12) China's Wang Yihan (WR#17) beat Denmark's Tine R (WR#1, 1st seed), 21-19, 21-23, 21-11

Others
MS : China's Lin Dan (WR#2, 2nd seed) beat Msia's LCW (WR#1, 1st seed),21-19, 21-12, 1 WR difference.

[eaglehelang]

Upsets for WR Difference 5 & above
calculated from qualifying round onwards

TOtal :
MS had 11 upsets
WS had 12 upsets
MD had 7 upsets
WD had 4 upsets
XD had 12 upsets

[limsy]

Limsy has retired at the last lap, hehe


haiya...hehe...too tired after baddy match....:p


Upsets for WR Difference 5 & above
calculated from qualifying round onwards

TOtal :
MS had 11 upsets
WS had 12 upsets
MD had 7 upsets
WD had 4 upsets
XD had 12 upsets

normally...is less than 30...but this time more than 40....:eek:

[eaglehelang]

normally...is less than 30...but this time more than 40....:eek:

Normally we count from main draw lah, that's why :p

[limsy]

Normally we count from main draw lah, that's why :p

cheh...tak apa...as swiss open u do...hehe...and i no do liao...hehe...quit....:p

[guardian]

who win the mens double?

[sudirman]

CY FHF, what a question was that

[guardian]

it's a Question aaaa

[jutawin]

it's a Question aaaa

what kind of question is that?

[george@chongwei]

what kind of question is that?
its getting very confusing right here:D

[chris-ccc]

its getting very confusing right here :D



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That's always our case... Confusion always sets in when we go off-topic. :D:D:D
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