Terrible 3rd game performance by Zheng Bo. He really lost it.

As the senior partner, it should be him to help his inexperienced partner.

It's a lesson how NOT to play doubles.

If he goes back many years ago to the Chinese National Games in Guangzhou, he was playing mixed with Huang Sui. That time Huang Sui was giving him the black face. He knows how terrible it feels like to be on the receiving end. (I was there watching).

no one cared about him after the match... good for him... I think lyb will screw him up...

i hope he is removed from the team, fancy him scolding his team mate during the game and throwing tantrums like a big fat boy.

I missed the game, what happened??? what an upset by the Korean. Are they the first qualifier into the AE finals on recent years???

..and sort of fell asleep, until i guess, Zheng Bo's tantrums came to the forefront...That's when they cut off the live broadcast..
Hmm, probably missed the most interesting part of the entire match..

ZB played like a rookie making his partner MJ covering for him most of the time. His smash was way too weak and his footwork was terrible. There were times when he left his partner covering the back court. Seriuosly, he can't play with a junior because he needs a more experienced partner to cover him... I won't be surprised if he dropped out of the national squad.

i was watching the game and zheng bo treated her so unfairly! Just because she isnt as experienced as he is zheng thinks he can start having a go and and its not on! During the 3rd game interval lyb killed zheng bo for havin a go at mj! It was intrestin to watch but he deserved it!

ZB played like a rookie making his partner MJ covering for him most of the time. His smash was way too weak and his footwork was terrible. There were times when he left his partner covering the back court. Seriuosly, he can't play with a junior because he needs a more experienced partner to cover him... I won't be surprised if he dropped out of the national squad.

Then ZB should consider playing for Malaysia, as BAM never fires anyone for pure incompetence.

during the interval of the third game, i heard the coach told off zheng bo and asked him to get out of the court if he is not interested in playing and he (coach) will replace him. :eek:

haiya....was gan jionging with mu scored 2-0 tat time...hehe....maybe i can see the reply in astro in future....hehe...then i sure wont miss again...hehe....

during the interval of the third game, i heard the coach told off zheng bo and asked him to get out of the court if he is not interested in playing and he (coach) will replace him. :eek:

Hahaha

Too bad Chen Xu/Zhao Yunlei had to lose to them to help improve ZB/MJ ranking.

I am very disappointed to the behaviour of ZB, it surely be a great hurt to Ma Jin's self confidence.:(

well...if zb/mj combination is so unstable....and yet defeat the OG GOLD MEDALIST...i think lee/lee is having problem....

ZB Has previous on losing the plot - OG 1st Rd, WC Final.

Ma Jin was the better player against Lee/Lee her defence is what kept them in as ZB was struggling to finish his shots.

I think Last years AE will be his last major title.

Have never rated the "big boy". How he has survived so long on the team is a miracle. Maybe the clock finally struck 12 for him, or that lucky horseshoe fell out of his fat a$$ as he attempted a jump smash.

For the sake of the young lass Ma Jin, ZB has to be culled

Have never rated the "big boy". How he has survived so long on the team is a miracle. Maybe the clock finally struck 12 for him, or that lucky horseshoe fell out of his fat a$$ as he attempted a jump smash.

For the sake of the young lass Ma Jin, ZB has to be culled

i think you guys are being too harsh on ZB, he did win quite a few titles with Gaoling after all

i think you guys are being too harsh on ZB, he did win quite a few titles with Gaoling after all

Gao Ling wore the pants in that partnership :cool:

i think you guys are being too harsh on ZB, he did win quite a few titles with Gaoling after alli dont think GL could stand ZB either. GL has way more titles than ZB, ZB probably shut his mouth more with GL. I don't know any gal like pairing up with ZB. I think lyb should put ZB in MD if lyb still want to keep him and write off ZB for XD.

i dont think GL could stand ZB either. GL has way more titles than ZB, ZB probably shut his mouth more with GL. I don't know any gal like pairing up with ZB. I think lyb should put ZB in MD if lyb still want to keep him and write off ZB for XD.
I thought ZB was paired up with ZJ before in MD but didn't work out. Maybe even ZJ couldn't stand ZB. Should put him in MS so that we get to see him slam his head on the court as he has no one else to blame. Add more entertainment value. :D I am glad ZB didn't win the OG. ;)

Terrible 3rd game performance by Zheng Bo. He really lost it.

As the senior partner, it should be him to help his inexperienced partner.

It's a lesson how NOT to play doubles.

If he goes back many years ago to the Chinese National Games in Guangzhou, he was playing mixed with Huang Sui. That time Huang Sui was giving him the black face. He knows how terrible it feels like to be on the receiving end. (I was there watching).



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Answer: Zheng Bo will get flamed. ;););)
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I thought ZB was paired up with ZJ before in MD but didn't work out. Maybe even ZJ couldn't stand ZB. Should put him in MS so that we get to see him slam his head on the court as he has no one else to blame. Add more entertainment value. :D I am glad ZB didn't win the OG. ;)lol, i stand corrected..

ZB is well known for not being able to control his temper. he just showed that again!

really like to see a different him, or totally different person with MJ.

I missed the SF. I am truly curious now to watch that match and to witness the ZB meltdown and tongue-lashing he got from LYB. Does anyone know where I can find these clips? Nothing up on the Video Sharing thread yet. Thanks:)

i heard him yelling about something..but i was not sure wat was it about..? can any1 please tell wata happened actually ?

Ma Jin was very upset and cried after the match, almost the whole CHN contingent tried to comfort her. It is cruel to lose a match after having played well only to be let down by her senior partner.

I missed the SF. I am truly curious now to watch that match and to witness the ZB meltdown and tongue-lashing he got from LYB. Does anyone know where I can find these clips? Nothing up on the Video Sharing thread yet. Thanks:)
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ZB/GL could be a great pair before they were splitted, it was GL contribution..
I don't see something special on ZB.

i dont think GL could stand ZB either. GL has way more titles than ZB, ZB probably shut his mouth more with GL. I don't know any gal like pairing up with ZB. I think lyb should put ZB in MD if lyb still want to keep him and write off ZB for XD.
GL is a very patient person, thats why lyb paired both of them together... But i can seet that sometimes, GL is very frustrated with hime also... but lets not take credit away from ZB... He can really do well at times as he can really do his part at the back of the court... He just needs a leader to guide n lead him throughout the match, thats all... he doesn't have the quality of a leader yet

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MA jin was vulnerable against korean attack, and not stay forcus most of the time. I can understand ZB for lossing his temper, but showing off his anger to his junior partner just won't help at all. pity ma J.

I don't recall seeing ZB bahaves so badly before, may be he have a bad day which we all experience occasionally. So give him a break and I am sure he take his lession if he intend to stay with the national squad.

MA jin was vulnerable against korean attack, and not stay forcus most of the time. I can understand ZB for lossing his temper, but showing off his anger to his junior partner just won't help at all. pity ma J.

Agreed. As a senior I think he should cheer up his partner instead of blaming her, and the coach too. Just look at their faces during the game and you can feel the pressure.

I am sure Ma Jin could play much better if they are not expected to win at first place, after all, this is her first appearance at AE and I think reaching semi isn't a bad achievement at all.

Then ZB should consider playing for Malaysia, as BAM never fires anyone for pure incompetence.
why not play for canada?:rolleyes:?:D

wow, what happen yesterday?
i gone to sleep already yesterday..
seems very interesting here..he should not scold ma jin..poor ma jin.
yep, if got chance, i will surely watch the replay of this match again or maybe later download it and watch.

I watched the 3rd game and couldn't find any tantrums thrown by Zheng Bo to Ma Jin. However, the meltdown occurred most likely after the 2nd game and continued into the 3rd game. Unlike in the 2nd game, where Zheng Bo was still giving high fives and pats to Ma Jin, i didn't witness any signs of support from Zheng Bo in the 3rd game. Both seemed to be standing on their own, on different islands.
Throughout the 3rd game, Zheng Bo sure had that grumpy and upset look and it affected his (and to an extent) Ma Jin's game, as it was basically errors galore for both of them out there.
Yes, the coach did scold Zheng Bo during the interval of the 3rd game.
i heard him yelling about something..but i was not sure wat was it about..? can any1 please tell wata happened actually ?

I missed the SF. I am truly curious now to watch that match and to witness the ZB meltdown and tongue-lashing he got from LYB. Does anyone know where I can find these clips? Nothing up on the Video Sharing thread yet. Thanks:)
..the coach wasn't LYB, but another coach.
Btw, for those interested to see what happened, if you haven't read the Finals thread, another member has posted video links to the Semifinals matches. No download necessary but need to install MS Silverlight.
*Btw, CTF and ZJW were the co-hosts.;)

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67087&page=2 (post #21)
or you can go straight to the XD match:
http://watchbadminton.com/videos/yonex-all-england-open-2009/mix-doubles/semi-final-match-1/page1-detail.aspx
Gao Ling wore the pants in that partnership :cool:
..well, perhaps Zheng Bo should be partnered with either of these ladies err i mean "tomboys". Talk about who'll be the one wearing the pants..:p

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=49870&stc=1&d=1230386621
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=49408&stc=1&d=1229872160

1 more question is: why get flamed on chinese badminton forums as the thread title says it all:confused:??
im sure this ZB will surely get into disciplinary board for his action yesterday..
CBA and LYB will do something about it for sure:D;)

OK, I just watched game 1. God, the quality of play was awful, especially by the two ladies. Nerves perhaps? ZB and MJ looked quite disjointed at times.

At the change over, it was quite interesting to notice the tone of address by the two coaches. Didn't know what they were saying but the CHN coach was quite animated while the KOR coach was calm and seemed encouraging.

Onto game 2

i would love to see zheng bo partner with erm, she>> DU Jing!
hehe

By the way chris, I did not see much in the way of communication between ZB and MJ for most of the 1st game, let alone encouragement

Sorry for the rant but the commentator is f*****g annoying:mad:

I watched the 3rd game and couldn't find any tantrums thrown by Zheng Bo to Ma Jin. However, the meltdown occurred most likely after the 2nd game and continued into the 3rd game. Unlike in the 2nd game, where Zheng Bo was still giving high fives and pats to Ma Jin, i didn't witness any signs of support from Zheng Bo in the 3rd game. Both seemed to be standing on their own, on a different island.
Throughout the 3rd game, Zheng Bo sure had that grumpy and upset look and it affected his (and to an extent) Ma Jin's game, as it was basically errors galore for both of them out there.
Yes, the coach did scold Zheng Bo during the interval of the 3rd game.



..the coach wasn't LYB, but another coach.
Btw, for those interested to see what happened, if you haven't read the Finals thread, another member has posted video links to the Semifinals matches. No download necessary but need to install MS Silverlight.
*Btw, CTF and ZJW were the co-hosts.;)
just watched the video too. Ya, i didn't find the tantrum and is considered out of line however, for a jr, encouragement would help ma jin instead of the negative approach from ZB. I think ma jin played a bit better than the korean gal at the beginning but ma jin but just lack confidence and netting alot which is predictable, she could of net kill alot of the shots.

On you knees and pray, boy! :D:Dthere are alot of praying done by others already.:D

Sorry for the rant but the commentator is f*****g annoying:mad:
who??
Gillian:eek:?? or Poul-Erik Høyer Larsen?

1 more question is: why get flamed on chinese badminton forums as the thread title says it all:confused:??
...
..well, for sure, even if we're not the Chinese badminton forum, we all can see what kind of responses have been given, so far..:p
By the way chris, I did not see much in the way of communication between ZB and MJ for most of the 1st game, let alone encouragement
just watched the video too. Ya, i didn't find the tantrum and is considered out of line however, for a jr, encouragement would help ma jin instead of the negative approach from ZB. I think ma jin played a bit better than the korean gal at the beginning but ma jin but just lack confidence and netting alot which is predictable, she could of net kill alot of the shots.
..yeah, i was gonna mention that. Communication was key and it was lost. Ma Jin was like trying her best to "showcase" her fore-court game. While ZB was also kinda doing his own thing. No communication et al. Even Poul Larsen kinda mentioned that. Of course, it got worse in the 3rd game. In one play, early in the 3rd game, Zheng Bo got so upset that he lifted an underhanded clear so far out. Partly, frustration for how game 2 ended.
Anyway, we'll see how things develop between those 2 players in their upcoming tourneys.

who??
Gillian:eek:?? or Poul-Erik Høyer Larsen?

MAS commentator. Yap, yap, yap, yap...

The CHN coach is intense. Check out the look on his face

I also noticed at times Ma Jin would look to ZB for assurance or guidance but ZB showed no interest in offering any

..well, for sure, even if we're not the Chinese badminton forum, we all can see what kind of responses have been given, so far..:p


..yeah, i was gonna mention that. Communication was key and it was lost. Ma Jin was like trying her best to "showcase" her fore-court game. While ZB was also kinda doing his own thing. No communication et al. Even Poul Larsen kinda mentioned that. Of course, it got worse in the 3rd game. In one play, early in the 3rd game, Zheng Bo got so upset that he lifted an underhanded clear so far out. Partly, frustration for how game 2 ended.
Anyway, we'll see how things develop between those 2 players in their upcoming tourneys.ya, look at Zhao ting ting, it took almost 2 years of pro circuit. Now she is doing pretty good.

MAS commentator. Yap, yap, yap, yap...
oh, shocked me little just now..:D
do u mean zainal abidin rawop??:p or hasbullah awang?:D

i haven't watched the game yet, but i think there is more than meets the eye.
they are a relatively new pair, i believe they've done pretty well since their partnership, regularly reaching the SF's and finals. i mean, they beat lee yong dae and his partner twice this week so for you people who said that he should be dropped from the national team is just retarded.
if he indeed was throwing "temper tantrums", i'm sure there is some reason for it. maybe he must of woken up on the wrong side of the bed? we all have bad days, relax guys. i'm sure li yong bo and crew have already talked with zheng bo about his on court behavior and i don't expect it to happen again. i guess we'll have to see how he and ma jin play at the swiss open

oh, shocked me little just now..:D
do u mean zainal abidin rawop??:p or hasbullah awang?:D

Sorry, no idea. I even heard some football scores during the commentary

It's quite a provocative fact that Ma Jin played a terrible game.
But I wouldn't agree that Zheng Bo did the right thing by turning on her.

In the Mixed Doubles final at the 2000 Olympic Games, Indonesia's Tri Kusharyanto & Minarti Timur won the first game 15-1 against China's Zhang Jun & Gao Ling before going down 13-15, 11-15 to them.

So poor was Timur's play throughout the Games that Tri-Kush's performance probably ranks as one of the greatest ever in Mixed Doubles.

In the final, he played almost single-handedly against ZJ & GL - and note that this young Chinese pair was then good enough to make short work of the legendary Korean pair of Kim Dong-moon & Ra Kyung-min (15-11, 15-1) in just the second round.

Sadly for Indonesia and Tri-Kush, almost every easy kill that he set up for his partner was flubbed by Minarti Timur. It was the same with net opportunities - they were spectacularly botched.

It came to a point where Tri-Kush began playing alone - but, by then, the divide was too great to catch up with the well-coordinated Chinese pair.

The incredible thing here is that NOT ONCE did Tri Kusharyanto blame, scowl at or upbraid Minarti Timur. He just played on as if nothing had happened to upset the balance!

What a contrast with Zheng Bo :(

The CHN coach is intense. Check out the look on his face

To be fair, the coach's expressions may have put unnecessary pressure on ZB/MJ. There were many shots of him with a "black", exasperated face. I swear he was going to self combust at any moment :D

To be fair, the coach's expressions may have put unnecessary pressure on ZB/MJ. There were many shots of him with a "black", exasperated face. I swear he was going to self combust at any moment :D
Just curious:
Why must 'black' be equated with 'angry' and other such unpleasantness?
Why not 'white', exapserated face? :o

To be fair, the coach's expressions may have put unnecessary pressure on ZB/MJ. There were many shots of him with a "black", exasperated face. I swear he was going to self combust at any moment :D
..Ma Jin is a junior, he was probably targeting Zheng Bo as the black sheep..Talk about everything going wrong for Zheng Bo..Noticed at the end of the match, the coach was comforting/patting Ma Jin..

There's a moment at 6-5 in the rubber when MJ pushes the bird long. The camera shows ZB swinging his racket in frustration and spouting something angrily. He wasn't afraid to hide it either. This must have been so discouraging to MJ. Some impatient gestures follow as they prepare to receive serve.

ZB's grumpiness commences at this point. CHN begins to unravel and KOR picks up a pile of points on errors. ZB then gets a scolding from the equally frustrated coach at the interval. I think at this point the red mist has taken hold of ZB and he is unable to focus or execute properly. From here on the deterioration of the CHN duo is spectacular. You can see the coach comforting the crying girl as ZB exits stage left.

Just curious:
Why must 'black' be equated with 'angry' and other such unpleasantness?
Why not 'white', exapserated face? :o

I don't know. It's a Chinese expression.

That was the only AE match that I watched. Quite a coincidence. :D

I thought ZB was doing quite well and their team could have won in straights but they were unlucky during the last few points of the second game, if I could recall correctly.

It was in the decider that ZB lost focus and was dragging his feet. He must have been very frustrated with himself and no thanks to perhaps some harsh words from his coach that he blew his top and completely gave up. with some rather uncharacteristic returns. :eek:

On the other hand, the young Korean pair which I have never seen before except the girl probably playing WD, saw the disarray in the CHN team and took advantage and applied more pressure to end the match quickly.

zheng bo was mumbling and giving attitude to his partner like, 'wth cant you make use of those opportunities'.. his smashes didnt do much harm either to the koreans side.

at least he should give advice or smth to his partner rather than blaming her.
from the way i look at it, they had no chemistry playing together as mixed doubles.

no wonder she cried after losing the match when zhengbo just disappeared away.

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MAS commentator. Yap, yap, yap, yap...

Oh haha, I thought you meant the the English ones. I found it quite interesting in most of the matches I saw. I like how Gillian often teams up with former professional players.

After watching the video, have to say that Ma Jin is quite weak for a Chinese women player. And she tends to stand a bit too far away from the net most of the time causing her net play too defensive. But ZB doesn't earn the right to throw such a hard tantrum at her. Poor girl.

If I were MJ, I would request for a change in partnership :D

In all due respect, Ma Jin's skills is quite appalling.

If I were MJ, I would request for a change in partnership :D
..as it relates to dating or relationship, it's better to separate early than later, eh??..;)

Btw, i wonder if this must be the shortest partnership stint for Zheng Bo? Oh, how he still longs for those playing days with Gao Ling, i can imagine..:cool:

I also noticed at times Ma Jin would look to ZB for assurance or guidance but ZB showed no interest in offering any

i just finished watching the whole match, and yeah, MJ was the one going "Jia you, jia you" while ZB was... just ZB. there wasn't even any eye contact between them (as pointed out by one of the commentator), much less communication.

during the interval of the third game, i heard the coach told off zheng bo and asked him to get out of the court if he is not interested in playing and he (coach) will replace him. :eek:

Wow, the coach's volume must have been very loud for it to be heard on tv :D

GL is a very patient person, thats why lyb paired both of them together... But i can seet that sometimes, GL is very frustrated with hime also... but lets not take credit away from ZB... He can really do well at times as he can really do his part at the back of the court... He just needs a leader to guide n lead him throughout the match, thats all... he doesn't have the quality of a leader yet

If I'm not mistaken, GL scolded ZB bf, but with her smiling face. And of course, GL was senior, so ZB had to follow her lead. She did mention before in interviews that she shouldnt be telling ZB what to do all the time.
Looks like Zb having a hard adjusting his role with his new inexperienced partner.

In any case, it's a tall order for any gal replacing GL to fill GL's shoes.

I was there yesterday, ZB couldn't control himself at all, complete loser. I guess he will be kicked out from Chinese national team soon, they have lots of talents no need to rely on ZB.

also he got few titles because of GL of course. people sitting around me (from all over the world) know that.

also MJ was crying after the game, all the other Chinese teammates came to support MJ. No one wants to partner ZB any more.

Zheng Bo has been a partner for Gao Ling for quite some time, didn't he?He was a good partner, once.
When it comes about chemistry, Zheng Bo might had some problem with Ma jin.
Don't pick on him.

And i'd like to hear Zheng Bo speak out, too.Make it fair, folks.

i was there and saw the match in person. A few points:

1) Zheng Bo is known to lose his temper anyway, so I doubt anyone really wants to partner with him.
2) Ma Jin must have been either very nervous or was just not thinking straight (i'd go for the former). I lost count the number of times she could have killed the birdie at the net, but instead, chose to tentatively tap it back over.
3) Given the number of times MJ failed to seize the aforementioned opportunities, you can see why ZB got frustrated. In fact, I was getting frustrated. The guy was setting up opportunities for MJ time and time again, and MJ was too scared to take them. MJ was more concerned with getting it back over the net cos she was too scared she would net her shots.
4) Even so, ZB should not have behaved the way he did as his partner is new and inexperienced
5) Hard to say how good MJ is, because it may be that nerves simply got the better of her in the SF. Her smashes were relatively weak, and during the match I was inclined to think she is physically a rather weak player overall - compared to the likes of the CHN WD players. That's just in terms of her attack. However, I didn't watch her QF, but to beat the Olympic Champs is no mean feat and I hear MJ's defence is what led CHN to the victory.
6) The Korean pair were solid, particularly the female member. ZB's smashes did not pose too many problems simply because that girl's defence was an absolute brickwall - I'm very impressed by her.

I believe ZB partner with Z TingTing too, and that didn't work either. Before that, his MD with Sang Yang also had some problem. His day is numbered.

I believe ZB partner with Z TingTing too, and that didn't work either. Before that, his MD with Sang Yang also had some problem. His day is numbered.
No No No. His day is not numbered yet. One more to try. My dream XD pair. ZB + Du Jing !!!!!! :D:D:D They will be the ultimate XD with ZB playing front and DJ back. No one can touch them. At worst, I get to see DJ jump ZB when he yell at hi.......err.....her. I wish CHN will bring out my dream pair. :D:D:D:D:D

No No No. His day is not numbered yet. One more to try. My dream XD pair. ZB + Du Jing !!!!!! :D:D:D They will be the ultimate XD with ZB playing front and DJ back. No one can touch them. At worst, I get to see DJ jump ZB when he yell at hi.......err.....her. I wish CHN will bring out my dream pair. :D:D:D:D:D

ZB + DJ .... then will become Men's Double arrrrrr

Zheng Bo is so dumb... Ma Jin is so hot, and if I were in ZB's position, I would prefer to work with her to help her improve and continue to work as a pair... just imagine how much better it is to work with a beautiful girl instead of one that is not. If anyone has any doubt about it, just ask Flandy Limpele... he will tell you all about it.;)

Technically, Ma Jin is not YET as good as the likes of Gao Ling, and etc... but that takes time and experience. The point of having Zheng Bo as her partner is so Zheng Bo can help her along the way... not like Ma Jin will help Zheng Bo to become world champion when she is still "fresh" in the international circuit.

If I'm not mistaken, GL scolded ZB bf, but with her smiling face. And of course, GL was senior, so ZB had to follow her lead. She did mention before in interviews that she shouldnt be telling ZB what to do all the time.
Looks like Zb having a hard adjusting his role with his new inexperienced partner.

In any case, it's a tall order for any gal replacing GL to fill GL's shoes.
haha... I think MJ has pressure to replace GL in this partnership and ZB expects MJ to do what GL does n he get frustrated when MJ didnt meet his expectation... Things will be a little easier for ZB if GL is there... lets give this parnership some time to readjust themselves. afterall, they did showed some good result in the last few tourney, beating some top pairs...
and yea, i would like to see the combination of ZB and DJ... Must be funny..:):):)

Ok, ZB did the wrong thing, but ZB is not god, and I think we need to give him a break.

Just put any one of us into ZB's shoes, in the AE semi, against relatively no-name players, almost got the ticket to final, but your inexperienced partner makes mistakes one after another... True, if using god standard, we should smile, tap partner on the shoulder, carry her to the victory. However, with maybe once in a life time chance going pass by like this, I wonder how many of us can really be "cool". :cool:

I am not here defend ZB, and encourage him to screaming at his partner. All I am trying to say, is ZB himself, is part of the victim. He lost the match, lost his cool, and lost the heart from the fans and coach. There's no need for us to further peel off the scare, and kick him to the hell. I agree ZB should be given some lecture from the coach, but saying he should be booted out of the team just for that, I do not really agree. In 1 week, ZB with a junior player, got 1 silver medal and 1 SF appearance in AE should be quite impressive. Overall, I think he's done with his job, never to mention they did manage to beat LYD twice.

ZB has temper, and he did the very wrong thing at the very wrong time. However, I seriously believe a good percentage of us will do the same, or even worse, when we face the same situation... :cool:

Zheng Bo is so dumb... Ma Jin is so hot, and if I were in ZB's position, I would prefer to work with her to help her improve and continue to work as a pair... just imagine how much better it is to work with a beautiful girl instead of one that is not. If anyone has any doubt about it, just ask Flandy Limpele... he will tell you all about it.;)

Technically, Ma Jin is not YET as good as the likes of Gao Ling, and etc... but that takes time and experience. The point of having Zheng Bo as her partner is so Zheng Bo can help her along the way... not like Ma Jin will help Zheng Bo to become world champion when she is still "fresh" in the international circuit.question to ask first is ZB married already?:D

Ok, ZB did the wrong thing, but ZB is not god, and I think we need to give him a break.

Just put any one of us into ZB's shoes, in the AE semi, against relatively no-name players, almost got the ticket to final, but your inexperienced partner makes mistakes one after another... True, if using god standard, we should smile, tap partner on the shoulder, carry her to the victory. However, with maybe once in a life time chance going pass by like this, I wonder how many of us can really be "cool". :cool:

I am not here defend ZB, and encourage him to screaming at his partner. All I am trying to say, is ZB himself, is part of the victim. He lost the match, lost his cool, and lost the heart from the fans and coach. There's no need for us to further peel off the scare, and kick him to the hell. I agree ZB should be given some lecture from the coach, but saying he should be booted out of the team just for that, I do not really agree. In 1 week, ZB with a junior player, got 1 silver medal and 1 SF appearance in AE should be quite impressive. Overall, I think he's done with his job, never to mention they did manage to beat LYD twice.

ZB has temper, and he did the very wrong thing at the very wrong time. However, I seriously believe a good percentage of us will do the same, or even worse, when we face the same situation... :cool:

Given the situation he was in, don't you think he would have embraced it by being a little more attentive to his behaviour? Instead, he fell apart and started acting like an inexperienced schoolboy. He is a senior member of the CHN team and was given the leadership role in this partnership with Ma Jin. Yes I expect him to at least make it comfortable for his partner so that she can play without having to worry about making mistakes (which was further compounded due to ZJ's surliness). A little "let's go" or an encouraging tap here there could have gone a long way to changing the complexion of the match. Unfortunately he was found wanting this time round.

It may be a little early to throw him under the bus but his history with numerous partners raises a red flag. Perhaps he needs to assume the junior role in a partnership to be most effective.

true, he was like a kid from primary school, zero EQ basically.

also a pic of MJ

http://images.china.cn/attachement/jpg/site1007/20081006/000802c98ccc0a53bb1716.jpg

That's "God" standard? Com'on! That's "normal" standard for every mature man (definition: man who concentrates on his goals, not his ego). Did PJB do anything like this in 1996 OG Final when RKM kept making mistakes? Their opponent, KDM, was a "relatively no-name player" at that time; Did Trikush do anything like this in 2000 OG Final when Minarty was almost a burden instead of a helper? Their opponent ZJ/GL were "relatively no-name" at that time... Such a list of "gods" can go longer and longer. These are OG gold medal matches, much much more important than AE semifinal.

Don't forget the "relatively no-name" Korean pair beat the Thai No. 1 and European No.1 very convincingly before meeting ZB/MJ. Furthermore, as MJ is also "relatively no-name", why should ZB assume that they should win easily in the first place?

Finally, ZB didn't do that well either. If he was clearly superior to the Korean boy then his frustration may have some ground, but that's not the case. ZB's "as long as your shots are not perfect, it's always your fault" attitude is not only irresponsible, but also unwise (The Korean pair didn't do well after the mid-game break in the 3rd game, if ZB concentrated on the match instead of his temper, there was big chance that they could catch up or even won).

Ok, ZB did the wrong thing, but ZB is not god, and I think we need to give him a break.

Just put any one of us into ZB's shoes, in the AE semi, against relatively no-name players, almost got the ticket to final, but your inexperienced partner makes mistakes one after another... True, if using god standard, we should smile, tap partner on the shoulder, carry her to the victory. However, with maybe once in a life time chance going pass by like this, I wonder how many of us can really be "cool". :cool:

I am not here defend ZB, and encourage him to screaming at his partner. All I am trying to say, is ZB himself, is part of the victim. He lost the match, lost his cool, and lost the heart from the fans and coach. There's no need for us to further peel off the scare, and kick him to the hell. I agree ZB should be given some lecture from the coach, but saying he should be booted out of the team just for that, I do not really agree. In 1 week, ZB with a junior player, got 1 silver medal and 1 SF appearance in AE should be quite impressive. Overall, I think he's done with his job, never to mention they did manage to beat LYD twice.

ZB has temper, and he did the very wrong thing at the very wrong time. However, I seriously believe a good percentage of us will do the same, or even worse, when we face the same situation... :cool:

Ok, OK, my name is LB, not LYB or ZB... :cool:

People please remember that even though ZB is a veteran, but he's only 20's, and with CHN team's structure (kids got into sports school at age of 3 to 5), it's very understandable why some of them can be childish in a way or two, even after they become famous.

Of course, i am not here to say ZB's action is right, just as I stated in my 1st post. And please, ZB is no where near PJB or KDM, and I am sure he will never be a hall of fame as the one we listed above. Therefore, compare to the legend (god), ZB is a very immature kid.

It's very easy for us to say here and there, when all we need to do is to drink beer, jump up and down in front of TV, and do not have to worry about our career. ZB is fighting for his life, his job, his career, and I am sure a final appearance in AE (regardless he won that before or not) does not come very often for anyone. He was clearly upset.

Again, I am not saying ZB did everything right. All I am saying is, after all the flames, we should give ZB a break. Yes, he hurts MJ's feeling. However, put any of us (not a list of all time greats) into ZB's shoes at the moment, any of us can do a much better job??? I have to admit I might not be any better, either. :cool:

You make some valid points. My comments are in your post.

Ok, OK, my name is LB, not LYB or ZB... :cool:

People please remember that even though ZB is a veteran, but he's only 20's, and with CHN team's structure (kids got into sports school at age of 3 to 5), it's very understandable why some of them can be childish in a way or two, even after they become famous.

Very similar scenario with the NHL. The majority of them do not have post secondary education and are not the sharpest tools in the shed.

Of course, i am not here to say ZB's action is right, just as I stated in my 1st post. And please, ZB is no where near PJB or KDM, and I am sure he will never be a hall of fame as the one we listed above. Therefore, compare to the legend (god), ZB is a very immature kid.

It's very easy for us to say here and there, when all we need to do is to drink beer, jump up and down in front of TV, and do not have to worry about our career. ZB is fighting for his life, his job, his career, and I am sure a final appearance in AE (regardless he won that before or not) does not come very often for anyone. He was clearly upset.

You over-dramatize this. ZB has been trained to deal with these situations. He's played and won in these conditions before. He should be able to use this experience to overcome the uphills that faces every player during a match. Sorry, being upset clearly does not excuse him.

Again, I am not saying ZB did everything right. All I am saying is, after all the flames, we should give ZB a break. Yes, he hurts MJ's feeling. However, put any of us (not a list of all time greats) into ZB's shoes at the moment, any of us can do a much better job??? I have to admit I might not be any better, either. :cool:

What's more important is what type of break CHN management gives him. When all the dust has settled, I bet we'll see him trundle out to the court again with MJ. This time though, the leash will be much shorter.

What's more important is what type of break CHN management gives him. When all the dust has settled, I bet we'll see him trundle out to the court again with MJ. This time though, the leash will be much shorter.
:eek:i didn't know u r into those things:D

This week SO, MJ still has to pair with ZB. I don't think so this pair could go so far in SO :D MJ started to fear of ZB :D

This week SO, MJ still has to pair with ZB. I don't think so this pair could go so far in SO :D MJ started to fear of ZB :D
MJ will scare ZB like he's going to eat her up like a hungry tiger:eek::D

i wonder why DU JING doesnt play xd?:confused:

This week SO, MJ still has to pair with ZB. I don't think so this pair could go so far in SO :D MJ started to fear of ZB :D
I hope you are wrong. There is still LYB that can assure her that the little kitten named ZB is now tamed. ;) MJ style require a strong smasher to back her. FHF is a good choice. :cool:

In all due respect, Ma Jin's skills is quite appalling.

I agree!!

Her net shots weren't tight enough, she wasn't pouncing at those loose net returns but instead putting a lot of shots into the net. There was at least 2 occasions she moved away from her position prematurely leaving a gaping hole that the Koreans converted. :eek::eek:.

Essentially, she wasn't doing her job well from the very beginning. I do not think the Koreans feel threatened at the net at all. How did she make CHN national?

On-topic: ZB should still be reprimanded for his behaviour but MJ is not totally blame-free.

..........

Again, I am not saying ZB did everything right. All I am saying is, after all the flames, we should give ZB a break. Yes, he hurts MJ's feeling. However, put any of us (not a list of all time greats) into ZB's shoes at the moment, any of us can do a much better job??? I have to admit I might not be any better, either. :cool:

Well........there was another player, MD dept, who was reprimanded in public by his coach & in this forum cos he scolded his MD partner/showed angry looks. Worse things were said abt this player.

Therefore, dont expect the members let ZB off the hook. You have said put ourselves in ZB's shoes, there are those who would not do such a thing in public, even provoked. So, for them such behaviour is unacceptable cos they themselves would not do it.
;)

Therefore, dont expect the members let ZB off the hook. You have said put ourselves in ZB's shoes, there are those who would not do such a thing in public, even provoked. So, for them such behaviour is unacceptable cos they themselves would not do it.
;)

Since 99.9999% of us may never be in his situation (AE SF stage), I won't call it's fair to say "none of us will do it", just because we can never even qualified to be in the situation.

Let me put this way. If losing $10, most of us can be real calm, joke a bit, and that's just another day. If losing $10 billion in stock market, we might wonder why the mult. billionaires wants to jump out of the building. Many of us might say, "man, not worth it, I won't do it..." Simply because we will never get a chance to be in the situation to begin with. :cool:

You over-dramatize this. ZB has been trained to deal with these situations. He's played and won in these conditions before. He should be able to use this experience to overcome the uphills that faces every player during a match. Sorry, being upset clearly does not excuse him.


I won't use "was trained" as an excuses to say we can do whatever to punished a player.

Great athletes like MJ or Kobe can be ejected due to harsh foul or even shoving mataches. Gentleman like Wayne Gretzkey can drop his gloves and get into a fight in hockey ring. Future baseball hall of fames can jump into a pile, and start a bloody brawl during an intensive match. "Golden boy" M. Phleps can dope...

You tell me the above greats and hall of fames never got educated about "not to fight, not to dope, not to hurt others"??? Compare to them, ZB at least did not smash the racket on MJ's head (sorry, bad joke). So, if we still select the greats into hall of fame, even though they been ejected from a game, been suspended, been fined, or even trialed in courts, then why ZB can not get a break, simply because he was "trained"... :confused:

I agree!!

Her net shots weren't tight enough, she wasn't pouncing at those loose net returns but instead putting a lot of shots into the net. There was at least 2 occasions she moved away from her position prematurely leaving a gaping hole that the Koreans converted. :eek::eek:.

Essentially, she wasn't doing her job well from the very beginning. I do not think the Koreans feel threatened at the net at all. How did she make CHN national?

On-topic: ZB should still be reprimanded for his behaviour but MJ is not totally blame-free.noted. I think MJ knows that and weeped after the match, not because of ZB scolding. However, as a jr and first time in a big event like the AE, it is understandable. It revealed the 'tender' side of the china team, and china team willingness to field or risk younger players to the battelfield as well.

noted. I think MJ knows that and weeped after the match, not because of ZB scolding. However, as a jr and first time in a big event like the AE, it is understandable. It revealed the 'tender' side of the china team, and china team willingness to field or risk younger players to the battelfield as well.
You must be joking!
China never takes risks - neither in sport nor in anything else.

If a player were assessed to have even a slightly better winning probability, China would necessarily field that player.

Those who take risks and end up losing get severely punished.
And, mark this, such bullishness is not restricted to sport ;)

You must be joking!
China never takes risks - neither in sport nor in anything else.

If a player were assessed to have even a slightly better winning probability, China would necessarily field that player.

Those who take risks and end up losing get severely punished.
And, mark this, such bullishness is not restricted to sport ;)well, we have to see about this later on. MJ definitely not at par with Yawen or Ting Ting when they were rookies. Yes, my comment did infer china almost never takes risk but after watching MJ's performance, it makes me wonder if the china's double coach took risk this time or made a blunder of fielding a somewhat green MJ to the battlefield.;) I think china knows 2012 is coming, and there's no better time to screen out young talents than now, right after 08 Olympic. You also have to open to the idea that LYB's is also fielding out new coaches too and would let them have more freedom on team preparation since this is a low risk period, a whole 3.5 years before 2012 OG.

What beats me is why Du Jing wasn't roped in to partner Zheng Bo.
In every aspect, she would surely run circles around Ma Jin :rolleyes:

What beats me is why Du Jing wasn't roped in to partner Zheng Bo.
In every aspect, she would surely run circles around Ma Jin :rolleyes:my thots are, china has the luxury and time to experiment;)

DJ + ZB will be the XD killer. they can probably match TBH/KKK :) joking. but DJ has got OG gold, no pressure any more, she should be selected to partner someone (ZB or FHF):)

I won't use "was trained" as an excuses to say we can do whatever to punished a player.

Great athletes like MJ or Kobe can be ejected due to harsh foul or even shoving mataches. Gentleman like Wayne Gretzkey can drop his gloves and get into a fight in hockey ring. Future baseball hall of fames can jump into a pile, and start a bloody brawl during an intensive match. "Golden boy" M. Phleps can dope...

You tell me the above greats and hall of fames never got educated about "not to fight, not to dope, not to hurt others"??? Compare to them, ZB at least did not smash the racket on MJ's head (sorry, bad joke). So, if we still select the greats into hall of fame, even though they been ejected from a game, been suspended, been fined, or even trialed in courts, then why ZB can not get a break, simply because he was "trained"... :confused:

The punishment for each example is determined by their respective governing bodies. Each have a structure set up to deal with them. The so called crime in each case that you have cited is one that brings the sport into disrepute. Also each example (except the Phelps one because it's an individual sport) has your hall of fame big shot fighting against an opponent. ZB took out his frustration on his own partner. Nothing beats that!

The ZB case is not one that brings the sport into disrepute. It is an internal team matter. In his case he was given the responsibility as a senior to guide his team (albeit only a team of 2) to a win. Firstly, note that if ZB/MJ had lost but had done so fair and square, the CHN coaching staff would have had one less problem to correct. But because ZB had his infantile meltdown, more problems are created. CHN management has given him many chances to right this petulant behaviour so they have every right to reprimand him for his actions. They would be remiss not to do so.

You can keep poor, little, innocent ZB and his attitude. Given the opportunities that have been afforded to him, I'd never have someone like him like that on my team. When you sell out the team in the way he did, he deserves to be taken to task.

ZB is the heaviest athlete in China badminton National team, listed at 80kg+, a King Panda. :D

http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/BIO/Athlete/8/237138.shtml

Reminds me of Sammo Hung, a big-set guy who moves with grace of a butterfly. :D

What beats me is why Du Jing wasn't roped in to partner Zheng Bo.
In every aspect, she would surely run circles around Ma Jin :rolleyes:

I wonder how long the ZB/MJ experiment will last. If ZB is able to control himself better, there's a chance. Otherwise, 2 options:
1) put ZB to pasture
2) more likely assign him to a more forceful personality to keep him in check

In the back of her mind, MJ must have been dreading the thought of Big Brother watching her every move. I think MJ was pretty useless on the day regardless.

noted. I think MJ knows that and weeped after the match, not because of ZB scolding. However, as a jr and first time in a big event like the AE, it is understandable. It revealed the 'tender' side of the china team, and china team willingness to field or risk younger players to the battelfield as well.

You must be joking!
China never takes risks - neither in sport nor in anything else.

If a player were assessed to have even a slightly better winning probability, China would necessarily field that player.

Those who take risks and end up losing get severely punished.
And, mark this, such bullishness is not restricted to sport ;)

you are both correct. China didn't take risk, yet they did.

they fielded an unexperience MJ, true. but they also have He/Yu on the other side.

if you think about China not as individual players but as team as a whole, then they didn't really risk anything. and it was proved to be true. it was a experience (and character) building for MJ, while China still won the XD title.

you are both correct. China didn't take risk, yet they did.

they fielded an unexperience MJ, true. but they also have He/Yu on the other side.

if you think about China not as individual players but as team as a whole, then they didn't really risk anything. and it was proved to be true. it was a experience (and character) building for MJ, while China still won the XD title.a bullseye shot kwun;) On WD, WS and XD, china has a solid finalist contender for each of the women event. It's like they have bought insurance so they can take some risk;):)

a bullseye shot kwun;) On WD, WS and XD, china has a solid finalist contender for each of the women event. It's like they have bought insurance so they can take some risk;):)

That is the word I was looking for

Since 99.9999% of us may never be in his situation (AE SF stage), I won't call it's fair to say "none of us will do it", just because we can never even qualified to be in the situation.

Let me put this way. If losing $10, most of us can be real calm, joke a bit, and that's just another day. If losing $10 billion in stock market, we might wonder why the mult. billionaires wants to jump out of the building. Many of us might say, "man, not worth it, I won't do it..." Simply because we will never get a chance to be in the situation to begin with. :cool:

You forgot the part where another player was more harshly ciritised in BC for scolding his partner. The .... criticism Zheng Bo got in this thread? Less harsh. LD also got critised for the racket throwing incident.

Abt the same situation -> not in that situation exactly, but more grave - like the other party spurting verbal abuse or threatening to inflict bodily harm, in public, face to face. That's provoked. By not responding in kind, the other party is the one to lose face.
;)

ZB is the heaviest athlete in China badminton National team, listed at 80kg+, a King Panda. :D

http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/BIO/Athlete/8/237138.shtml

Reminds me of Sammo Hung, a big-set guy who moves with grace of a butterfly. :D
Wrong.
Appearances can be deceptive.

Zheng Bo = 80kg
He Hanbin (http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/BIO/Athlete/7/237137.shtml) = 80kg
Fu Haifeng (http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/BIO/Athlete/1/237141.shtml) = 80kg

Xie Zhongbo (http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/BIO/Athlete/9/237139.shtml) = 86kg :p

ZB is the heaviest athlete in China badminton National team, listed at 80kg+, a King Panda. :D



But hey..cutest, too.
don't think anyone disagree.
A King Panda who had 2 AE titles.Not bad.

Wrong.
Appearances can be deceptive.

Zheng Bo = 80kg
He Hanbin (http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/BIO/Athlete/7/237137.shtml) = 80kg
Fu Haifeng (http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/BIO/Athlete/1/237141.shtml) = 80kg

Xie Zhongbo (http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/BIO/Athlete/9/237139.shtml) = 86kg :p

Right. Just because ZB looks roly poly doesn't make him the heaviest.

But hey..cutest, too.
don't think anyone disagree.
A King Panda who had 2 AE titles.Not bad.

He's all yours. Pemuda will be jealous :D

Her net shots weren't tight enough, she wasn't pouncing at those loose net returns but instead putting a lot of shots into the net. There was at least 2 occasions she moved away from her position prematurely leaving a gaping hole that the Koreans converted. :eek::eek:.

Essentially, she wasn't doing her job well from the very beginning. I do not think the Koreans feel threatened at the net at all. How did she make CHN national?

On-topic: ZB should still be reprimanded for his behaviour but MJ is not totally blame-free.

Me and my wife had noted for the past 3 years that Gao Ling was not as all conquering at the net as she has been in the past. She often blocked or netted when the kill was on.

MJ did the same. I have no doubt that had GL not retired she would be still with ZB. But she isn't so she can't be.

What beats me is why Du Jing wasn't roped in to partner Zheng Bo.
In every aspect, she would surely run circles around Ma Jin :rolleyes:

I note your sarcasm.....

DJ + ZB will be the XD killer. they can probably match TBH/KKK :) joking. but DJ has got OG gold, no pressure any more, she should be selected to partner someone (ZB or FHF):)

I think it is highly unlikely DJ will be paired with a top XD male. CHN would not let it happen. DJ is the brute, as Huang Sui & Wei Yili were in the past, they didn't play mixed, DJ won't to any level.

MJ needs time. XD net play is a skill that takes time to develop. YY is the CHN star now....

Also each example (except the Phelps one because it's an individual sport) has your hall of fame big shot fighting against an opponent. ZB took out his frustration on his own partner. Nothing beats that!




Well, if you watch NBA, NHL, MLB, NFL, etc you always see the "stars" screaming their lungs out to their teammates, or even coaches. They may even go public and voice their concerns. However, at the end of the day, they are still the hall of fames.

All I am saying is, in the match, many incidents are purely focus on the "fact", but not the "person". Kobe or LeBron can publicly criticized teammate's motivation or game decision, but they also treat most of their teammates as brothers afterward.

Right. Just because ZB looks roly poly doesn't make him the heaviest.

Looks like I jump the gun. :o

How could I forget the 'body builder' Xie Zhongbo?

BMI = 86kg /1.88 x 1.88 = 24.33

Conclusion, muscles weigh more than fats. :D

Me and my wife had noted for the past 3 years that Gao Ling was not as all conquering at the net as she has been in the past. She often blocked or netted when the kill was on.

MJ did the same. I have no doubt that had GL not retired she would be still with ZB. But she isn't so she can't be.
...
MJ needs time. XD net play is a skill that takes time to develop. YY is the CHN star now....

I was not keeping track of GL. I even only watched the XD because they happened to show it on TV (what kind of badminton fan am I?). :p:p:p

I was comparing the play of MJ to YY (in the finals). Certainly, YY did great in the finals. Good aggression, totally sealed the net, a touch of deceptive and she was even effective from the back court. Still, the XD player I enjoyed watching most (so far, with limited exposure) is Liliyana -- not that powerful yet she is such a good play maker. But that's already way off topic.

Back to MJ/ZB, ZB held it together quite well despite the runs of mistakes from MJ in G1 and half of G2. No doubt, G3 was lost in the hands of ZB but playwise, I think it's very hard to play a match at that level when the lady is not effective in front.

Just reminds me too much of the trouble I landed all my partners in last night because I played so so badly. Even the top players could not cover for all my mistakes :(:(:(. If ZB were my partner, he would have tried to kill me by stabbing me with his racket butt while sitting on me. Luckily I'm a guy and none of my partners weigh as much as me :p:p.

Me and my wife had noted for the past 3 years that Gao Ling was not as all conquering at the net as she has been in the past. She often blocked or netted when the kill was on.

MJ did the same. I have no doubt that had GL not retired she would be still with ZB. But she isn't so she can't be.



Interesting observation. I felt the same though I am not sure if this was from 3 years back - so long. Remember watching some XD matches and even some WD matches when she paired Huang Sui - she did not command the net with the same authority.

hmm, Bo ZHENG (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&player=267)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&c=CHN) Jin MA (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&player=268)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&c=CHN) - http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/BEL.gif[BEL] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&c=BEL)Wouter CLAES (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&player=175) http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/BEL.gif[BEL] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&c=BEL)Nathalie DESCAMPS (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&player=109) 21-19 21-15
let's see how far they can go in this tournament;)

Let's see how long before ZB 'explode' again. :p

Let's see how long before ZB 'explode' again. :p
Well, he better read all the comments before thinking of repeating it in swiss open.

during the interval of the third game, i heard the coach told off zheng bo and asked him to get out of the court if he is not interested in playing and he (coach) will replace him. :eek:
i turn my speaker to high volume when the coaching was speaking that time.
then, i heard the coach says, Shen Jin Bing..:D:D (mental)..:p

their next match is agaisnt danish pair of thomas laybourn and kamiliar rhtter juhl.
let's wait and see whats the outcome of the match:cool:

..a week later & after their Swiss Open title, all is forgiven now, eh??..:cool:..

..after their Swiss Open title, all is forgiven now, eh??..:cool:..
i guess so. Sometime, certain action seem harsh by outsiders but in ma jin's case, a little dose of on the spot criticism did her good actually. From balling her face out to winning a SS title by beating #1 XD, she has graduated onto adult/pro status, can't no longer say.. she's a junior.

..a week later & after their Swiss Open title, all is forgiven now, eh??..:cool:..

No, I still think he's a clown :cool:

congrats to them for winning the swiss open!

Ma Jin has been paired with Shen Ye for the India Open ;)

Ma Jin has been paired with Shen Ye for the India Open ;)

There is a god... LYB :D

Ma Jin has been paired with Shen Ye for the India Open ;)
what happen to shen ye now?
partnering with who?:confused:

I guess it shows a great of a partner Gao Ling was. Still it takes a lot to win a big title even if you have the best mix doubles partner in the world. On the international level, any weakness will be observed by many watchful eyes repeatedly observing tapes. He had to have done his part but perhaps age and a downgrade in partner got to him.