What is still lacking in LCW?

[xymaerts]

Beside disappointed.. I really want to know what is lagging inside LCW? He is good.. yes he is. But then.. y he still can't win? Or perhaps someone can tell me what is inside in LD that causes him unbeatable ?

[Shiryu]

maybe a lack of good sparring partners?

too many defensive drills may cause him to play too defensively.

[dassad]

there is a rule in sports that just called - "uncomfortable rival", don't know what this is in native language. I think it's a problem of LCW

[limsy]

erm....not acurate when executing the final shoot...just too wanted to win tat rally...and end up with an error...and...lcw is not as clever as lindan...on court...in term of changing tactic....cant analysis what should he do and what he shouldnt do after rally...:)

[xymaerts]

Fully agreed...Should not only depend on Misbun's tactic. Must adopt to changes fast enough..


erm....not acurate when executing the final shoot...just too wanted to win tat rally...and end up with an error...and...lcw is not as clever as lindan...on court...in term of changing tactic....cant analysis what should he do and what he shouldnt do after rally...:)

[pjswift]

Beside disappointed.. I really want to know what is lagging inside LCW? He is good.. yes he is. But then.. y he still can't win? Or perhaps someone can tell me what is inside in LD that causes him unbeatable ?
LCW is not lagging and LD is not unbeatable.
LD has the advantage because he has a dream draw which means he is much,much fresher than LCW.He has a qualifier for R1,training match with teammate in R2,non-opponent for QF(who only got 9 points from LCW in SPO08;LD's more generous to JP,giving him 10+ points) another training match with teammate in SF.In SF,CHN thought so highly of LCW they dared not take the risk of playing another 10 mins to properly finish the match.CHN obviously believed even LD needed that benefit of being 10 mins fresher to defeat LCW.Maybe not but they were not taking chances.
EXpect the same scenario in Swiss Open where LD has another dream draw and LCW may have it even tougher to reach the final.Be reasonable in your expectations but hope for the best and you will be less disappointed.

[limsy]

Fully agreed...Should not only depend on Misbun's tactic. Must adopt to changes fast enough..

he should sit down...infront of dvd player....replay all the matches tat he have play with lindan...and try to analysis as a 3rd party....:)...hopefully....we will see another lcw vs ld in final...next week....

[Koi^^]

Lol @ the dream draw ( wonder if LYB arranged the draw as such behind the scenes) and Fresher theory.

Face it - Lin Dan is better than LCW today. End of story. Lets not get into those silly conspiracy theories again that focuses on hatred on the whole Chinese armada.

[2cents]

he should sit down...infront of dvd player....replay all the matches tat he have play with lindan...and try to analysis as a 3rd party....:)...hopefully....we will see another lcw vs ld in final...next week....

I believe there is a computer software to analyze the badminton game to find out where on court is the weakest spots. and also analyze where to attack is the most efficient to destroy your opponent. I hope all the pros like LCW has benefited from that software.

[xymaerts]

Many coaches commented that this years is still belong to these 2 man(LD & LCW).. I really hope that LCW can become a real no1.. Perhaps Misbun & him can really find out the root cause..

[youngman]

LCW played well. He needs to be more aggresive and avoid giving lifts for the opponents to attack (even though he has to be the world's best when it comes to defensive play). This becomes more important when playing against attacking players (Lin Dan has to be the world's best when it comes to attacking play). Eventually attacking players win the rally (unless caused by unforced errors).

LCW played a marvellous 1st game yesterday against Hidayat. On the attack, and the results were shown. Nevertheless, I'm proud of LCW and wish him all the best for his future tournaments!

[xymaerts]

Good point.. If we can feed it all into the system.. Then at least my question is answered..


I believe there is a computer software to analyze the badminton game to find out where on court is the weakest spots. and also analyze where to attack is the most efficient to destroy your opponent. I hope all the pros like LCW has benefit from that software.

[limsy]

Face it - Lin Dan is better than LCW today. End of story. Lets not get into those silly conspiracy theories again that focuses on hatred on the whole Chinese armada.

kindly point out...where????hatred????where????:eek:

[Smichz]

Yes..after LD beat LCW badly at Olympic...LCW lose his confidence while playing against LD.So,before he did something with that (emotional)..it'll be impossible to win against LD

[volcom]

kindly point out...where????hatred????where????:eek:
pjswift is definitely filled with extreme hatred of the chinese dominance

[Jonc108]

Lol @ the dream draw ( wonder if LYB arranged the draw as such behind the scenes) and Fresher theory.

Face it - Lin Dan is better than LCW today. End of story. Lets not get into those silly conspiracy theories again that focuses on hatred on the whole Chinese armada.

Absolutely agree...

Can any tennis player be better than Nadel just by simply finding out the difference between themself and him? No.

Can any golf player watchs Tiger's DVD and find out the root of his success and become another Tiger Woods or better than him? No.

LCW is LCW, LD is LD, LD is better than LCW, end of story.

LCW could only sign that why on earth there is a LD at this time... like Chinese old proverb, 既生瑜，何生亮。

Even LCW could beat LD once or twice some time this year in ten of their meetings, I think LD could still beat him the rest, just like last year, and demonstrate who is the technically real world no.1 instead of the paper ranking No.1.

[limsy]

Yes..after LD beat LCW badly at Olympic...LCW lose his confidence while playing against LD.So,before he did something with that (emotional)..it'll be impossible to win against LD

is it????aiya...why i didnt saw fear in lcw eyes????shaky leg???maybe i watch the wrong final...:rolleyes:...



LCW could only sign that why on earth there is a LD at this time... like Chinese old proverb, 既生瑜，何生亮。


oh ya...tat proverb is created by the writer himself....for ur infomation...;)...

[alfa-2]

LCW wasn't aggressive enough these days.....especially when he was fighting against LD.

I dont really understand why LCW wont go for the kill when he clearly had the chance to do it. Instead of playing like modern days single player, LCW played like Misbun, the difference is just that LCW is much fitter than his coach was.

[koo_fan]

Hey.alfa-2
It's a return?

[pjswift]

LCW wasn't aggressive enough these days.....especially when he was fighting against LD.

I dont really understand why LCW wont go for the kill when he clearly had the chance to do it. Instead of playing like modern days single player, LCW played like Misbun, the difference is just that LCW is much fitter than his coach was.
At least for some strange reason, LD could not play like in OG08.
But LD's defense was good so what's the point of offense at the expense of energy?
And LCW's defense was uncharacteristically poor.
G1 finishing could have been riskier
On the whole,a creditable performance by LCW. Could be better but he can be proud of it.

[cooler]

[quote=xymaerts;1110136]Beside disappointed.. I really want to know what is lagging inside LCW? He is good.. yes he is. But then.. y he still can't win? Or perhaps someone can tell me what is inside in LD that causes him unbeatable ?[/quo
LCW is not lagging and LD is not unbeatable.
LD has the advantage because he has a dream draw which means he is much,much fresher than LCW.He has a qualifier for R1,training match with teammate in R2,non-opponent for QF(who only got 9 points from LCW in SPO08;LD's more generous to JP,giving him 10+ points) another training match with teammate in SF.In SF,CHN thought so highly of LCW they dared not take the risk of playing another 10 mins to properly finish the match.CHN obviously believed even LD needed that benefit of being 10 mins fresher to defeat LCW.Maybe not but they were not taking chances.
EXpect the same scenario in Swiss Open where LD has another dream draw and LCW may have it even tougher to reach the final.Be reasonable in your expectations but hope for the best and you will be less disappointed.
hahaha, just more rhetoric. Before the AE, bolehians say lcw is WR#1 and on a roll after SS final win, and LD would be rusty. Now u say LD got lotta rest advantage from training match with his chinese comrades. It doesn't matter. If u read other people analysis (beside yours), u note LCW problem wasn't stamina or being tired, lcw lack focus, plan of action, diversity of arsenals against LD. I havent watch the match yet but from the sound of it, LD was generous, employing only his 4 and 5 gears, not the 6 th gear we saw in the OG. This match wasnt won or lost due to stamina or stroke skills but in the difference of confidence and able to dictate or not dictate the rally. Having great defense like lcw is great but one can't win by having great defense alone when LD also have similar great defense.

[pjswift]

Lol @ the dream draw ( wonder if LYB arranged the draw as such behind the scenes) and Fresher theory.

Face it - Lin Dan is better than LCW today. End of story. Lets not get into those silly conspiracy theories again that focuses on hatred on the whole Chinese armada.
Of course LD is better than LCW today maybe partly he's fresher.Just as WYH beat TR today partly with the advantage of less court time.
You don't know how LD lost to TH in WC06? One key reason offered was LD had a tough SF while TH cruised through his.

[pjswift]

[quote=pjswift;1110183]
hahaha, just more rhetoric. Before the AE, bolehians say lcw is WR#1 and on a roll after SS final win, and LD would be rusty. Now u say LD got lotta rest advantage from training match with his chinese comrades. It doesn't matter. If u read other people analysis (beside yours), u note LCW problem wasn't stamina or being tired, lcw lack focus, plan of action, diversity of arsenals against LD. I havent watch the match yet but from the sound of it, LD was generous, employing only his 4 and 5 gears, not the 6 th gear we saw in the OG. This match wasnt won or lost due to stamina or stroke skills but in the difference of confidence and able to dictate or not dictate the rally. Having great defense like lcw is great but one can't win by having great defense alone when LD also have similar great defense.
I'm not a boleh fan.I did state it will be shocking if LD cannot win the title with that dream draw.

[Louisa]

[quote=pjswift;1110183]
hahaha, just more rhetoric. Before the AE, bolehians say lcw is WR#1 and on a roll after SS final win, and LD would be rusty. Now u say LD got lotta rest advantage from training match with his chinese comrades. It doesn't matter. If u read other people analysis (beside yours), u note LCW problem wasn't stamina or being tired, lcw lack focus, plan of action, diversity of arsenals against LD. I havent watch the match yet but from the sound of it, LD was generous, employing only his 4 and 5 gears, not the 6 th gear we saw in the OG. This match wasnt won or lost due to stamina or stroke skills but in the difference of confidence and able to dictate or not dictate the rally. Having great defense like lcw is great but one can't win by having great defense alone when LD also have similar great defense.

what's wrong with the term 'bolehians'? When you watch the match live, you can find a big number of 'jia youians'....

suddenly, this come to my mind....bolehians = Mas fans, jia youians = Chn fans, habisian = Ina fans...., dai han min kuk'ians = Kor fans....:D:D:D

[cooler]

[quote=cooler;1110353]
I'm not a boleh fan.I did state it will be shocking if LD cannot win the title with that dream draw.
overall, it doesn't matter where bwf seeding places LD in the singles draw, LD will take the title. Rearranging the musical chairs won't change a thing for LD. In my argument, i would say those training matches with bcl and cj didn't warm up LD enough. U see LD made lotta errors today's final too .

In contrast, i have said TH had a dream draw for the 2004 OG at Athen. His toughest opponent was PG which he beat and coast is clear after that.
As this AE, it is an open, after beating PG, TH still have to face LCW, and if TH win, faces LD. 04 OG is a dream draw that paid off for TH.

[Louisa]

hahaha, just more rhetoric. Before the AE, bolehians say lcw is WR#1 and on a roll after SS final win, and LD would be rusty. Now u say LD got lotta rest advantage from training match with his chinese comrades. It doesn't matter. If u read other people analysis (beside yours), u note LCW problem wasn't stamina or being tired, lcw lack focus, plan of action, diversity of arsenals against LD. I havent watch the match yet but from the sound of it, LD was generous, employing only his 4 and 5 gears, not the 6 th gear we saw in the OG. This match wasnt won or lost due to stamina or stroke skills but in the difference of confidence and able to dictate or not dictate the rally. Having great defense like lcw is great but one can't win by having great defense alone when LD also have similar great defense.

to conclude, LD is much better than LCW....but, please, don't take the pride and hardwork from LCW. Without giving full commitment in training, with his build and talents, I don't think LCW can come this far...

[cooler]

[quote=cooler;1110353]

what's wrong with the term 'bolehians'? When you watch the match live, you can find a big number of 'jia youians'....

suddenly, this come to my mind....bolehians = Mas fans, jia youians = Chn fans, habisian = Ina fans...., dai han min kuk'ians = Kor fans....:D:D:D
i think pswift is an independent cheer leader, a true pro status cheer leader now:D

[cooler]

to conclude, LD is much better than LCW....but, please, don't take the pride and hardwork from LCW. Without giving full commitment in training, with his build and talents, I don't think LCW can come this far...
i didnt mean to demean lcw at all. I only noted what are the differences as per thread title subject. LCW is the only player that could test LD's limit. I do admire lcw training diligence. I even say lcw is the best MAS MS i saw since the rashid's day. I'm too young to know about former MAS greats before rashid:D I even will say lcw has ALL THE QUALITY OF LIN DAN against other players, except when playing against LD. Is that a fair statement?

[ctjcad]

As i've mentioned in the Finals thread, the way i see it, with the way LinDan has played against LCW in their last 3 meetings, realistically, there is little or no chance for LCW to come out ahead.
For one, LCW had his chances in today's Finals, esp. in the 1st game, with a 2 pt lead, late in the game. Yet, what happened?
Both LD and LCW, if i recall, made roughly the same amt of errors.
But as is often the case, when there are 2 parties fighting for the bragging right, one has to come out ahead and the other not. Partly the onus is on LCW, but partly also on LD.

...
suddenly, this come to my mind....bolehians = Mas fans, jia youians = Chn fans, habisian = Ina fans...., dai han min kuk'ians = Kor fans....:D:D:D
mam, you don't wanna leave out the Danish fans, do you??..:confused: ;)

[Louisa]

As i've mentioned in the Finals thread, the way i see it, with the way LinDan has played against LCW in their last 3 meetings, realistically, there is little or no chance for LCW to come out ahead.
For one, LCW had his chances in today's Finals, esp. in the 1st game, with a 2 pt lead. Yet, what happened?
Both LD and LCW, if i recall, made roughly the same amt of errors.
But as is often the case, when there are 2 parties fighting for the bragging right, one has to come out ahead and the other not. Partly the onus is on LCW, but partly also on LD.

mam, you don't wanna leave out the Danish fans, do you??..:confused: ;)

of coz not...that little kitten is a strong supporter for Danes...we nearly fought during WS final just now...she complained I chanted 'jia you' too loud that cost Tine the match...

[cooler]

of coz not...that little kitten is a strong supporter for Danes...we nearly fought during WS final just now...she complained I chanted 'jia you' too loud that cost Tine the match...
lol, the kitten need to meow... i mean roar louder:)

[RedShuttle]

The first game was close only because of LD's bad habit of making things interesting. LD is clearly a superior athlete to LCW. LCW needs to possess superior technique to win. That clearly is not the case.

LCW is a solid No 2, but a lot closer to No 3 than to No 1. At the moment, LD is in a class by himself.

[Louisa]

lol, the kitten need to meow... i mean roar louder:)

well, in cat family, the ratio of jia youian : danishian = 3 : 1, plus that kitten is a kitten, can only 'fu', 'ke' and 'meow' loudly, but can't roar (not tiger nor lion)

ps - if u rear kitten, u should know what is 'fu' n 'ke'....:p

[ctjcad]

of coz not...that little kitten is a strong supporter for Danes...we nearly fought during WS final just now...she complained I chanted 'jia you' too loud that cost Tine the match...
..i was looking for a chant in Danish..:p;)

[joelabb]

Eventhough I'm a hardcore LCW fan but I have to accept :crying: that LD still 1 class above LCW. Like in this match most of LCW points are from LD errors. I think Dato Misbun should concentrate LCW training on how to force LD make mistakes. If that still not work, I think Malaysia should consider offering LD a "Tun" become a Malaysian citizen :D.

[bananakid]

LCW lacks major titles... that's what he is lacking. LOL:p

Seriously, today the two things that LCW were lacking:

1. A stadium full of boleh fans with drums and 5' x 7' MAS flags

2. Magic... when he was 12-20 down... he thought he was going to demonstrate his magic again like in MAS open 06, only to find out that NO.... He was still in England and not Malaysia.:p:p:p Magic only happens in his favor where boleh spirit is high.

[kwun]

LCW lacks major titles... that's what he is lacking. LOL:p

what do you mean? he has "Datuk".... oh wait a minute. nevermind.

[bananakid]

what do you mean? he has "Datuk".... oh wait a minute. nevermind.


That's really harsh... even worse than me. LOL:eek:

[kwun]

joking aside. after watching the LCW / LD game, LCW lacks the sting and the ability to induce fear into opponent. in other words, he is too nice guy.

LD, you know you will be deep poopoo whenever you lift, even if you can get ur string on the shuttle, you will be dead sooner or later, on the other hand, whenever LD lifts to LCW, it was like smash return practice. LD plays like he was taking a stroll in the park, but hiding behind the casualness and apparent ease, it was totally speed and acceleration with his movement and his ability to get to the shuttle at the earliest moment.

and even if he misses it and loses a point, the ferocity induce fear.

LCW, whenever he sees a opportunity, he goes for it. even if he wins the point, it did not induce fear.

at the level of badminton, it is not really about skill anymore, it is all mental, and if you can induce a little bit more fear, that means a fraction of second in hesitation, that will cost you crucial points.

[OneToughBirdie]

Eventhough I'm a hardcore LCW fan but I have to accept :crying: that LD still 1 class above LCW. Like in this match most of LCW points are from LD errors. I think Dato Misbun should concentrate LCW training on how to force LD make mistakes. If that still not work, I think Malaysia should consider offering LD a "Tun" become a Malaysian citizen :D.

Honestly, it is not LCW losing for lack of skill, fitness, etc. etc but simply that LD is so much better than anyone out there. With TH and PG aging, LCW the closest to giving LD some token match resistance, soon LD can pick the tourney he wanna play and win. There really is noone to challenge LD.
Considering LD achievements (I predict the WC or more WCs, AG or more AGs plus 12OG are LD to take unless someone come up in the next few years) he gonna be the best player CHN has ever produced to date. But looking at KOR, MAS, INA and DEN the future is as bleak as the world economy.
Therefore to advance to AE final and to lose to the very best, should be some comfort;)

[OneToughBirdie]

Eventhough I'm a hardcore LCW fan but I have to accept :crying: that LD still 1 class above LCW. Like in this match most of LCW points are from LD errors. I think Dato Misbun should concentrate LCW training on how to force LD make mistakes. If that still not work, I think Malaysia should consider offering LD a "Tun" become a Malaysian citizen :D.
When I was growing up in MAS, Dato alone is hard to get (forget about Tun or Tan Sri) and we look at Dato as a first class, special citizen with very special privilege. A Datoship is like a pass or inside connection to get govt contracts, special treatment unlike ordinary folks, etc but it comes with lots of responsibility like making sure you remember to repay who grant you the title. Nowadays, granting of Datoship is so common practice that so many people have it. Granting LD a Tun (I take you say that as a joke) and MAS citizen, what benefits LD to even consider that...LD is racking tens of millions in CHN, celebrity status, CHN hero, I have said so often that baddy players play baddy for a career, it is $$$ that counts, not some titles. With LD reportedly making tens of millions a year, I am not sure BAM can even afford to pay LD to play for MAS:D:p

[kwun]

from this article:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_sports/view/413938/1/.html



Asked how or why he won, Lin said: "It wasn't tactical or anything - we are both good players. It was more psychological. I was focused and calm.

"I think I played quite well. There were a couple of times in the first set where I didn't handle the situation the best I could and let him have an advantage. But I kept my form and manager to play well."

[cooler]

from my article::D
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=350660&postcount=67

[joelabb]

When I was growing up in MAS, Dato alone is hard to get (forget about Tun or Tan Sri) and we look at Dato as a first class, special citizen with very special privilege. A Datoship is like a pass or inside connection to get govt contracts, special treatment unlike ordinary folks, etc but it comes with lots of responsibility like making sure you remember to repay who grant you the title. Nowadays, granting of Datoship is so common practice that so many people have it. Granting LD a Tun (I take you say that as a joke) and MAS citizen, what benefits LD to even consider that...LD is racking tens of millions in CHN, celebrity status, CHN hero, I have said so often that baddy players play baddy for a career, it is $$$ that counts, not some titles. With LD reportedly making tens of millions a year, I am not sure BAM can even afford to pay LD to play for MAS:D:p

With a Tun title you don't have to pay for tax :D Can save a lot of money for happy time :rolleyes::D. This is only for joke my friend after a sad day...my idol lost to the best player in the world.

[limsy]

what's wrong with the term 'bolehians'? When you watch the match live, you can find a big number of 'jia youians'....

suddenly, this come to my mind....bolehians = Mas fans, jia youians = Chn fans, habisian = Ina fans...., dai han min kuk'ians = Kor fans....:D:D:D


mam, you don't wanna leave out the Danish fans, do you??..:confused: ;)


..i was looking for a chant in Danish..:p;)

didnt i miss anything????what about danes????:crying:

[cooler]

[quote=Louisa;1110379]





didnt i miss anything????what about danes????:crying:erhmmm, please correct your quote, i didn't say those....

[limsy]

done....and sorry...hehe....error maybe...hehe...

[phaarix]

overall, it doesn't matter where bwf seeding places LD in the singles draw, LD will take the title. Rearranging the musical chairs won't change a thing for LD. In my argument, i would say those training matches with bcl and cj didn't warm up LD enough. U see LD made lotta errors today's final too .

In contrast, i have said TH had a dream draw for the 2004 OG at Athen. His toughest opponent was PG which he beat and coast is clear after that.
As this AE, it is an open, after beating PG, TH still have to face LCW, and if TH win, faces LD. 04 OG is a dream draw that paid off for TH.

Thread title: "What is still lacking in LCW?"

Cooler's response: bring up Taufik Hidayat vs Lin Dan YET AGAIN. That second paragraph wasn't necessary at all was it?

[cooler]

Thread title: "What is still lacking in LCW?"

Cooler's response: bring up Taufik Hidayat vs Lin Dan YET AGAIN. That second paragraph wasn't necessary at all was it?just reminding pswift what is a dream draw really is. :rolleyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_2004_Summer_Olympics_-_Men's_singles

TH got a dream AE draw too, no chinese players.
this AE, Pswift call it a dream draw for LD, i say dream draw for TH also.

[bestco]

I was visiting the other Chinese forums, pretty much all LCW fans agreed (yes LCW has a lot of fans in China) the only thing he lacks is 霸气, same thing LD's teammate Bao Chun Lai lacks to dominate the world of badminton.

[cooler]

I was visiting the other Chinese forums, pretty much all LCW fans agreed (yes LCW has a lot of fans in China) the only thing he lacks is 霸气, same thing LD's teammate Bao Chun Lai lacks to dominate the world of badminton.
i assume the words 霸气 mean 'aggressiveness'?

[RedShuttle]

I was visiting the other Chinese forums, pretty much all LCW fans agreed (yes LCW has a lot of fans in China) the only thing he lacks is 霸气, same thing LD's teammate Bao Chun Lai lacks to dominate the world of badminton.
Come on:rolleyes:

If LCW fought LD to a standing still and lost at the end, I'd say that may be only thing he lacks. The fact is that LD could have blown LCW off the court if he chose to.

LCW has a long way to go to catch LD. For the sake of badminton, it would be good thing if he does get closer.

More realistically, the only way that LD can be beaten was how he lost HK Open to CJ. LD was playing casually. When the game got tight, CJ took advantage and played extremely well. LD got burned.

LCW had a similiar opportunity in the first game today, but did not play well enough to take advantage. LD gave him no chance in the second game. The second game was a fair reflection of the difference between the two.

[badders2006]

Come on:rolleyes:

If LCW fought LD to a standing still and lost at the end, I'd say that may be only thing he lacks. The fact is that LD could have blown LCW off the court if he chose to.

LCW has a long way to go to catch LD. For the sake of badminton, it would be good thing if he does get closer.

More realistically, the only way that LD can be beaten was how he lost HK Open to CJ. LD was playing casually. When the game got tight, CJ took advantage and played extremely well. LD got burned.

LCW had a similiar opportunity in the first game today, but did not play well enough to take advantage. LD gave him no chance in the second game. The second game was a fair reflection of the difference between the two.

agreed. It was LD's casualness and UE's that put him in a 17-19 position in the 1st set. Then he decided he wanted to win the set so took the next 4 points. (OK may be a slight exaggeration but I want to emphasise just how much control, mentally and physically, LD had over LCW).

LD decided to stop messing around and wrap it up in the 2nd set.

[chirigamii]

I really don't understand : aren't you badminton players? If you play 3 matchs, aren't fresher than if you play four matchs?
Once again china shows a very poor demonstration of "sport's spirit". This final remind me of the Olympics, LD vs Chen Jin in SF and LD had not to force to win. The same here in AE. LCW had enough endurance to play the first game and a part of the second but its not fair from china. When you are tired it's not easy to focus or to build a strategy during the match, it's not only a question of fitness. So my conclusion : what china call "patriotism" is only "cheat" (excuse me for my english people:crying:)

[T3Vince]

I think Lee CW just needs 1 win over Lin Dan...just once to even things up(not entirely..but just to get his confidence back)
That being said, Lin Dan's not letting anyone stand in his way. So imo, I don't think anyone can de-throne him until he decides to retire.

Off topic - Lin Dan is just very charismatic. I swear my heart was beating so fast when I went up to take a picture with him. I'm turning into a Lin Dan fanboy despite my nationalism... HELP ME!

[Athelete1234]

just reminding pswift what is a dream draw really is. :rolleyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_2004_Summer_Olympics_-_Men's_singles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_at_the_2004_Summer_Olympics_-_Men%27s_singles)

TH got a dream AE draw too, no chinese players.
this AE, Pswift call it a dream draw for LD, i say dream draw for TH also.
i dont' see anything dreamy about it. If we had looked at it before LD crashed out, TH would be playing WCH, PG, LD then CH. It's not his fault that LD and CH crashed out early.

[bananakid]

I really don't understand : aren't you badminton players? If you play 3 matchs, aren't fresher than if you play four matchs?
Once again china shows a very poor demonstration of "sport's spirit". This final remind me of the Olympics, LD vs Chen Jin in SF and LD had not to force to win. The same here in AE. LCW had enough endurance to play the first game and a part of the second but its not fair from china. When you are tired it's not easy to focus or to build a strategy during the match, it's not only a question of fitness. So my conclusion : what china call "patriotism" is only "cheat" (excuse me for my english people:crying:)

Are you suggesting that it is better if we can schedule it so LCW gets to meet LD in the 1st round simply to make it "fair"??? After the last 3 most recent meetings and LCW had not win a set with 4 of those sets LCW could not even get more than 12 points... are you still denying that LD is much better than LCW by now.

In this AE, LCW had 2 easy matches before meeting Taufik whom ended up being blown away by LCW. LCW was just as fresh coming in the AE final as LD, so if he couldn't manage to last 2 games, then what made him a better player?

Their head to head record even if counting the team events is LD 11:5 LCW...(2 of LCW came from team events) is that good enough?

[bananakid]

I was visiting the other Chinese forums, pretty much all LCW fans agreed (yes LCW has a lot of fans in China) the only thing he lacks is 霸气, same thing LD's teammate Bao Chun Lai lacks to dominate the world of badminton.

This is such a joke... you can't have any 霸气, when you look like one of those high school kids that get bullied around on a daily basis... unless he gets a tatoo on his arm that says "I am a Dato", otherwise I don't think he can intimidate anyone especially Lin Dan.

What LCW really lacks is a Fu HaiFeng like smash, Lee Yong Dae's reaction time, Taufik's big match mentality, Lin Dan's appearance(LCW is like skin + bone), and XXF like girlfriend(it has been good for Lin Dan ever since)

[chirigamii]

Are you suggesting that it is better if we can schedule it so LCW gets to meet LD in the 1st round simply to make it "fair"??? After the last 3 most recent meetings and LCW had not win a set with 4 of those sets LCW could not even get more than 12 points... are you still denying that LD is much better than LCW by now.

In this AE, LCW had 2 easy matches before meeting Taufik whom ended up being blown away by LCW. LCW was just as fresh coming in the AE final as LD, so if he couldn't manage to last 2 games, then what made him a better player?

Their head to head record even if counting the team events is LD 11:5 LCW...(2 of LCW came from team events) is that good enough?

I didn't say LCW is better than LD if you read well. I am only deploring china known "tactics" to be sure to win. If Chen Jin had play a real match against LD do you really think LD could be in a great form as he was in final?
In my advice LD is a little bit stronger than LCW, but on one match, sometimes LCW can overpass him and I think it could have happen if the semi final vs Chen Jin was not a parody of sport. The real question is finally : is this normal to let china be unfair? Is all allowed to win in sport?

[bananakid]

I didn't say LCW is better than LD if you read well. I am only deploring china known "tactics" to be sure to win. If Chen Jin had play a real match against LD do you really think LD could be in a great form as he was in final?
In my advice LD is a little bit stronger than LCW, but on one match, sometimes LCW can overpass him and I think it could have happen if the semi final vs Chen Jin was not a parody of sport. The real question is finally : is this normal to let china be unfair? Is all allowed to win in sport?


Chen Jin could only barely beat Sho Sasaki in this AE... I doubt that CJ could do much better against Lin Dan than Joachim Persson did. That would just be painful for the audience to watch... better to let the show moved on instead.

Until the day, badminton is popular enough to allow players to make enough money playing on their own, or every other country is strong enough to beat China players regularly before Semi-final, otherwise, yes, be prepared to see more to come.

[chirigamii]

Chen Jin could only barely beat Sho Sasaki in this AE... I doubt that CJ could do much better against Lin Dan than Joachim Persson did. That would just be painful for the audience to watch... better to let the show moved on instead.

Until the day, badminton is popular enough to allow players to make enough money playing on their own, or every other country is strong enough to beat China players regularly before Semi-final, otherwise, yes, be prepared to see more to come.

I don't really understand all you said (sorry I said it my english is very poor:D), but I can't understand : when you enter in sport you want to prove to yourself and others maybe that you can be the best, but on your own. If one day I was in a tournament in a semi final I would be very disappointed if I had an arrangement with my oppenent to be sure to reach the final in the best conditions.
I really asked myself : is LD thinking of that? I mean does he ask himself questions like "would it be the same if I didn't had arrangement?", "Am I really the best?"...I don't mean especially about this all england, bubt this kind of "cheat" is not the first with china.

[dassad]

T LD's bad habit of making things interesting.

its not his BAD habit, its the most wonderful habit he has! :) its a first thing I was impressed by him, and this makes him real HERO

[bananakid]

I don't really understand all you said (sorry I said it my english is very poor:D), but I can't understand : when you enter in sport you want to prove to yourself and others maybe that you can be the best, but on your own. If one day I was in a tournament in a semi final I would be very disappointed if I had an arrangement with my oppenent to be sure to reach the final in the best conditions.
I really asked myself : is LD thinking of that? I mean does he ask himself questions like "would it be the same if I didn't had arrangement?", "Am I really the best?"...I don't mean especially about this all england, bubt this kind of "cheat" is not the first with china.

The culture and mentaility is very different between where you live and China... you may think it is not fair, but to them, it really doesn't matter what you think as long as they are getting their job done, and that means everyone on the team is making some money to live, and the coaches get to keep their jobs.

By the time, we are all gone from this world, the history book will only mention the winners of each tournament and not "HOW" the winners end up winning the tournament.:cool:

[mazinkaiser]

I say even if LD play CJ to the rubber game, he would still whip LCW just the same way. You guys have to remember, these are world class atheletes, they train 8 hours a day. Especially now under 21 point system, physical fatique is not an issue for these guys. They only play ONE 21x3 MATCH per day while they are used to train 8 hours a day. So whether LD plays CJ 1.5 games or 3 close games, it would not matter to him. LD would still whip LCW the same way.

[bananakid]

I say even if LD play CJ to the rubber game, he would still whip LCW just the same way. You guys have to remember, these are world class atheletes, they train 8 hours a day. Especially now under 21 point system, physical fatique is not an issue for these guys. They only play ONE 21x3 MATCH per day while they are used to train 8 hours a day. So whether LD plays CJ 1.5 games or 3 close games, it would not matter to him. LD would still whip LCW the same way.


Are you sure LCW is not just training with the Nintendo Wii against Hafiz and friends during those 8 hours a day training??? I mean he lacks good sparring partners in Malaysia... haha... maybe the "expert" mode in the Nintendo Wii is more of a challenge for him;)

[chirigamii]

The culture and mentaility is very different between where you live and China... you may think it is not fair, but to them, it really doesn't matter what you think as long as they are getting their job done, and that means everyone on the team is making some money to live, and the coaches get to keep their jobs.

By the time, we are all gone from this world, the history book will only mention the winners of each tournament and not "HOW" the winners end up winning the tournament.:cool:

Yes you are totally right, a question a culture and mentallity I think. And that's why I hate beyond all : "you had to be the best or you are fired, or "useless".
I know that history book will only mentions the winners, but the history between badminton players will also mention the unfair of china team (many badminton players know that, and speak about it on website like badmintoncentral), the judges linecall in china and korea, and so on, history will remember too how LD is consider as an antipathetic player in the circuit even if he's the best player. And history book will remember LCW as well, like Shon Seung Mo even it's just for one moment:)

[chirigamii]

I say even if LD play CJ to the rubber game, he would still whip LCW just the same way. You guys have to remember, these are world class atheletes, they train 8 hours a day. Especially now under 21 point system, physical fatique is not an issue for these guys. They only play ONE 21x3 MATCH per day while they are used to train 8 hours a day. So whether LD plays CJ 1.5 games or 3 close games, it would not matter to him. LD would still whip LCW the same way.
The fact that they had hard training doesn't mean that they are not humans. Their matchs are more difficult than yours or mine. So yes they are more resitant but they have harder matchs too. I think it has an importance.

[BadFever]

Don't think LCW is lacking in anything. He is the closest LD has got for a true sweat out match.

[joelabb]

This is such a joke... you can't have any 霸气, when you look like one of those high school kids that get bullied around on a daily basis... unless he gets a tatoo on his arm that says "I am a Dato", otherwise I don't think he can intimidate anyone especially Lin Dan.

What LCW really lacks is a Fu HaiFeng like smash, Lee Yong Dae's reaction time, Taufik's big match mentality, Lin Dan's appearance(LCW is like skin + bone), and XXF like girlfriend(it has been good for Lin Dan ever since)

I think you are wrong about the last facts, his girlfriend was Malaysia no. 1 WS player Wong May Choo :D same as LD.

[koo_fan]

Don't think LCW is lacking in anything. He is the closest LD has got for a true sweat out match.
Don't think Ld's closest opponent would be the toughest opponent for him.And Lee Chong WEi is the toughest opponent for him, period.
LCW could beat Lin Dan ( which is debatable by most ) , well, come again, Lin dan is no God.No matter how good he was, Lin dan is beatable.
Finding excuses is not the best way to have a win over Lin Dan later.Be it the unethical arrangement etc, Chong Wei has no one to put the blame on, but himself.That's how it goes.

But, to see the crowds cheering for him, in the arena, BC and at home, i could understand the whole meaning of Malaysians' support.That is priceless.Any big title could not pay for it.
So, if u ask me whether LCW's lack of anything, he isn't.He is fighting till the end.As long as he's trying to do smash, stay on the game, and keen for the next title,other things would be less important.
Bravo Chong Wei.

[koo_fan]

I think you are wrong about the last facts, his girlfriend was Malaysia no. 1 WS player Wong May Choo :D same as LD.
Yeah..and Wmc's not less pretty, charming than XXF.
Better player?
well, let's say WMC vs XXF is more or less, at par with LD vs LCW.

[Cheung]

This is such a joke... you can't have any 霸气, when you look like one of those high school kids that get bullied around on a daily basis... unless he gets a tatoo on his arm that says "I am a Dato", otherwise I don't think he can intimidate anyone especially Lin Dan.

What LCW really lacks is a Fu HaiFeng like smash, Lee Yong Dae's reaction time, Taufik's big match mentality, Lin Dan's appearance(LCW is like skin + bone), and XXF like girlfriend(it has been good for Lin Dan ever since)

There we go. You need all of these to beat Lin Dan:
1) the smash to beat LD's defence
2) the reaction to cope with LD's sudden injection of pace into the shuttle (this is his biggest weapon)
3) big match mentality to close out the game when at 15 or 16 points are reached.

This is why LCW, as good as he is, can only win a couple of times against LD.

[Pemuda]

What is LCW still missing??? I would say true quality when playing away from home.

I would also say the only way now for LCW to win that AE is for BAM to talk to IBF and the English BA to franchise out the AE, you know something along the McDonalds model. This way, we can have the AE in KL or KK or Johor Bahru or better still Bukit Mertajam as LCW being a village WR1 champion is more comfortable at home. It is not easy playing in England. Its chilly over there. The food is weird. Parents not around. No Akademi Fantasia on tv there.

[rhinovinda]

He has to use psy war one day before the final, like TH did to beat LD.:cool:
No need to upgrade girlfriend or meat on the skin.:D

[Cheung]

Realistically, I see LCW winning AE when LD somehow breaks a leg (preferably LD's own leg).

[xymaerts]

This is Misbun comment.. Perhaps this is what LCW lack off

“In terms of standard, I will still say that very little separates them. Lin Dan has variety in his attacking armoury and, maybe, this is one area Chong Wei will have to work on.”

[sudirman]

Watching Chongwei vs LD live is really exciting, 2 best players in the world.

Although I agree with bananakid, (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=27865)exaggerate how much benefit lindan got from his draw is really lame. slightly injured CJ can hardly do any damage to LD. Be honest, Chongwei is the closest one to LD but still there's an edge, we have to admit it, Lin dan's smashes are far more superior. chongwei's smashes just can't kill. Lin Dan has improved his net shots during the 3 months training which makes him almost unbeatable ( i said almost).

[Cheung]

Only a "maybe"???

[bananakid]

This is Misbun comment.. Perhaps this is what LCW lack off

“In terms of standard, I will still say that very little separates them. Lin Dan has variety in his attacking armoury and, maybe, this is one area Chong Wei will have to work on.”

Misbun needs to be honest with himself and LCW... LCW lacks so many things in his game and his mind, that he loses to anyone of Taufik, Bao, Gade, and Chen Jin when one of them has a "good day" so to speak.

Meanwhile, Lin Dan will still beat all of them even if any one of them has a good day. That's the biggest difference between LCW and Lin Dan.

Just look at the power and accuracy(also being able to smash under difficult positions) of Lin Dan, then compare it with LCW... big difference.
Most of LCW's smashes can be retreived by Gade, and pals at least 75% of the time, but when it comes to Lin Dan's, the % goes down significantly.

When Lin Dan gets to about 16 points or so, very rare that he can close the match, whereas LCW tends to have trouble doing so when against similar level players.

Not to mention the fact that "STILL" LCW has not won a tournament outside of Malaysia ever since being world ranking #1 EVER!!! that's a lot of tournaments we are talking about.

[phaarix]

i dont' see anything dreamy about it. If we had looked at it before LD crashed out, TH would be playing WCH, PG, LD then CH. It's not his fault that LD and CH crashed out early.

Wahaha and that is perfectly fitting with this statement from cooler too:


overall, it doesn't matter where bwf seeding places LD in the singles draw, LD will take the title.

:)

I think it's true that LCW will always be better as a number 2 than a number 1...

[weeyeh]

2) the reaction to cope with LD's sudden injection of pace into the shuttle (this is his biggest weapon)

I think point 2 is exactly what did LCW in.

LD's defense is superb because he is expecting full on what LCW is going to do. There were very few shots that LD was slower in reaction. LCW did try his smashes but to very little success in the 1st 7-8 rallies in the 1st set which LD returned with ease. They created more problem for LCW than LD. OTOH, LD doesn't commit to a full-on smash until LCW is in trouble.

Most of the rallies LD won were slow placing rallies (guess where I'm hitting it next) until LD injects speed into it. If it's not successful, it's back to slow rallying. That guessing when the fast one's coming seems fatal to LCW's game. LD was controlling the pace for entire encounter.

Today's LD is also a lot less temperamental hence dangerous.

[Cheung]

I think point 2 is exactly what did LCW in.

LD's defense is superb because he is expecting full on what LCW is going to do. There were very few shots that LD was slower in reaction. LCW did try his smashes but to very little success in the 1st 7-8 rallies in the 1st set which LD returned with ease. They created more problem for LCW than LD. OTOH, LD doesn't commit to a full-on smash until LCW is in trouble.

Most of the rallies LD won were slow placing rallies (guess where I'm hitting it next) until LD injects speed into it. ........
LOL, I'd say Lee Chong wei is not in trouble at all until LD decides to smash.

[jermaine]

lin dan's cross court smash, be it angle, speed of the shuttle and how accurate it is, is extremely hard to retrieve given the speed they are playing.

lcw's smash did not do much harm when lin dan decides to increase his pace when its time to.

[alfa-2]

What is LCW still missing??? I would say true quality when playing away from home.

I would also say the only way now for LCW to win that AE is for BAM to talk to IBF and the English BA to franchise out the AE, you know something along the McDonalds model. This way, we can have the AE in KL or KK or Johor Bahru or better still Bukit Mertajam as LCW being a village WR1 champion is more comfortable at home. It is not easy playing in England. Its chilly over there. The food is weird. Parents not around. No Akademi Fantasia on tv there.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D By the way, Where is your nemesis these days, X Ball?? Havent seen him around for quite some time already.

[pjswift]

Don't think Ld's closest opponent would be the toughest opponent for him.And Lee Chong WEi is the toughest opponent for him, period.
LCW could beat Lin Dan ( which is debatable by most ) , well, come again, Lin dan is no God.No matter how good he was, Lin dan is beatable.
Finding excuses is not the best way to have a win over Lin Dan later.Be it the unethical arrangement etc, Chong Wei has no one to put the blame on, but himself.That's how it goes.

But, to see the crowds cheering for him, in the arena, BC and at home, i could understand the whole meaning of Malaysians' support.That is priceless.Any big title could not pay for it.
So, if u ask me whether LCW's lack of anything, he isn't.He is fighting till the end.As long as he's trying to do smash, stay on the game, and keen for the next title,other things would be less important.
Bravo Chong Wei.
Splendidly spoken.
There's one area LCW has room for progress.Tactics.He will probably get the best of it from Morten Frost through PG.MF as DEN coach is probably the best fortune to LCW in the tournaments to come.
LD was right when he said he won because he was focused ,calm and confident.That's so true.But that was obvious only after he had taken G1.G1 was close and nothing separated both.
After G1, LD could relax because he had the insurance and can afford to play freely.If LCW had taken G1,LCW could also relax and make use of the privilege.
At their level, whoever takes G1 always have that advantage.
It's strange that after LCW humbled TH,people who thought TH would defeat LCW, actually believed that LCW would beat LD.And there was disquiet.Now there's outpourings of relief because LD did not fail them.
LCW can be proud of his performance.

[williamtan2020]

I am sick of seeing LCW gets beaten blue and black by the mighty Dan. When is CW going to take a set of this guy? I say, just go in there and attack from start, throw in kitchen sink, empty your tank. Win or lose, let not a single ounce of energy remain inside you as you walk off the court. I want to see LCW take a set off SuperDan in next tournament....just a set.....is this too much to ask?? And to Misbun and co.....second is NOTHING

[limsy]

second is NOTHING

haha...if second is nothing....then should th and pg retired????:rolleyes:

[Pemuda]

I am sick of seeing LCW gets beaten blue and black by the mighty Dan. When is CW going to take a set of this guy? I say, just go in there and attack from start, throw in kitchen sink, empty your tank. Win or lose, let not a single ounce of energy remain inside you as you walk off the court. I want to see LCW take a set off SuperDan in next tournament....just a set.....is this too much to ask?? And to Misbun and co.....second is NOTHING

But according to some here as long as chants of Malaysia Boleh is heard loud and clear in the hall, it is already priceless. Their consolation is that support, cheering, feet stomping and chest thumping are all more important than winning titles. And coupled with other empty rhetorics (excuses to me) that LD had an easier route to the final, was more calm because he had the 1st game and etc, I think what we are seeing is some Malaysia Boleh withdrawal syndrome.

[Pemuda]

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D By the way, Where is your nemesis these days, X Ball?? Havent seen him around for quite some time already.

Sitting a home cross legged watching re-runs of the SSF.

[bananakid]

Sitting a home cross legged watching re-runs of the SSF.

LOL... possibly more action while getting excited over LCW and Koo/Tan victory, that should not be mentioned in this "family" rated forum. haha:eek: eg. scratching beer belly, shaving legs' hair, and everything else up to your own imagination(keep it clean... haha).

[shyeling]

LCW is lacking of confidence... he becomes dwarf every time he faces lindan esp in big event...

[bananakid]

LCW is lacking of confidence... he becomes dwarf every time he faces lindan esp in big event...

Seriously, I would have confidence problem, too if I were to be beaten the way he was beaten by Lin Dan at OG 08. Imagine all those nights of nightmare, and seeing repeated scenes of Lin Dan rushing to the net to kill off your lose returns at speed that is humanly impossible.:eek:

[wongpro]

i didnt mean to demean lcw at all. I only noted what are the differences as per thread title subject. LCW is the only player that could test LD's limit.

Totally agree.
I think the LinDan's advantage is that he can play badminton more naturally feeling and more smooth tactic + ultimate physical strength.
Anyway I still a LCW fan, I love his talented, speedy and beautiful skill.

[Pemuda]

Totally agree.
I think the LinDan's advantage is that he can play badminton more naturally feeling and more smooth tactic + ultimate physical strength.
Anyway I still a LCW fan, I love his talented, speedy and beautiful skill.

You dont like his numerous gold rings, chains, pendants and bracelets?? :o

[cooler]

Seriously, I would have confidence problem, too if I were to be beaten the way he was beaten by Lin Dan at OG 08. Imagine all those nights of nightmare, and seeing repeated scenes of Lin Dan rushing to the net to kill off your lose returns at speed that is humanly impossible.:eek:analyzing past video tapes for training would do that to a person;)

[cooler]

I think point 2 is exactly what did LCW in.

LD's defense is superb because he is expecting full on what LCW is going to do. There were very few shots that LD was slower in reaction. LCW did try his smashes but to very little success in the 1st 7-8 rallies in the 1st set which LD returned with ease. They created more problem for LCW than LD. OTOH, LD doesn't commit to a full-on smash until LCW is in trouble.

Most of the rallies LD won were slow placing rallies (guess where I'm hitting it next) until LD injects speed into it. If it's not successful, it's back to slow rallying. That guessing when the fast one's coming seems fatal to LCW's game. LD was controlling the pace for entire encounter.

Today's LD is also a lot less temperamental hence dangerous.in any close contest each contestants usually have some reservation or certain apprehension about his opponent. At this stage, i think LD has lost all these emotional aspect about lcw. LCW is for his manipulation.

[cooler]

Splendidly spoken.
There's one area LCW has room for progress.Tactics.He will probably get the best of it from Morten Frost through PG.MF as DEN coach is probably the best fortune to LCW in the tournaments to come.
LD was right when he said he won because he was focused ,calm and confident.That's so true.But that was obvious only after he had taken G1.G1 was close and nothing separated both.
After G1, LD could relax because he had the insurance and can afford to play freely.If LCW had taken G1,LCW could also relax and make use of the privilege.
At their level, whoever takes G1 always have that advantage.
It's strange that after LCW humbled TH,people who thought TH would defeat LCW, actually believed that LCW would beat LD.And there was disquiet.Now there's outpourings of relief because LD did not fail them.
LCW can be proud of his performance.if only lcw beat LD in HK open, in OG, etc.... then lcw's confidence will be high going into 09 AE. Problem is, they are all 'IF'S'. If lcw can beat LD regularly, we all would be debating something else:rolleyes:

[bananakid]

analyzing past video tapes for training would do that to a person;)

Just for fun...

While analyzing the video of OG 08 MS final...

LCW: Coach, how in the world can someone be so good and so fast?

Misbun: How am I suppose to know? I was never that good even when I was in my prime.

LCW: Any idea what I can do to win in the next encounter?

Misbun: Try to attack him from start to end.

LCW: I tried that before, but it didn't work at all... Lin Dan is just too good.

Misbun: Well... here is the last solution, but I don't know if we can accomplish this at all.

LCW: What is it? I am willing to give it a try

Misbun: Try your best to get to 12 points when Lin Dan reaches match point against you, then use your magic one more time and hopefully you can repeat what happened during Malaysia open 06

So... during the MS final of AE 09... LCW got 12 points while LD had match point.

LCW: I've got this one in the bag now...(thinking to himself)

1 minute later... LD won the match.

LCW to Misbun: Why didn't my magic work this time?

Misbun: I forgot to tell you that it only works in Malaysia with plenty of boleh spirit in the stadium.

LCW: How could you forget?

Misbun: We are going to have to invite Lin Dan to play in Malaysia, if you ever want to beat him again. Probably need to pick him with one of our Proton cars to show our sincerity.

LCW: but... didn't Lin Dan win his World championship title again in 2007 in Malaysia???

Misbun: in that case, Lin Dan is too good for you... just be happy that you are still rank #1 in the world for now.

[stevemariyoh]

My opinion is, LCW plays a lot of rally style which is not practical for this kind of playing style. If those days (15 points system) I think it will be a very good tactics. LCW needs to improve more on his attack (smash). I think his defence now is a bit weak compare to LCW last time. If you remember in Kuching (Malaysia Open). WOW that is the defence I have been waiting to see but the final AE match I didn't see it much. Anyway LCW is a good sportsman and he should be given the credit too.:)

[cooler]

This is Misbun comment.. Perhaps this is what LCW lack off

“In terms of standard, I will still say that very little separates them. Lin Dan has variety in his attacking armoury and, maybe, this is one area Chong Wei will have to work on.”
this explains alot why lcw is not making headway against LD.
With this kind of outlook, no wonder lcw isn't making improvement.
How can lcw gets it when his coach, misbun, doesn't get it?

[HaoFung]

LCW is indeed a very good player but Misbun stated the exact reason why he loses so badly now...

If you lose out a little on almost every field of the game and a lot on the attack & confidence... how do you expect to win? LCW lacks in deception also, hes such a textbook badminton player that I no longer enjoy seeing him play.

Also I got no idea why ppls say LCW is fitter than Lin Dan... not because he is skinny and has like 7% bodyfat that he is fitter... he has no where the reaction time of LD, LD rushes to his shots at a much higher speed.

[ggsam]

LD is obvious the biggest winner under 21 point system. Fast and furious. I don't think anyone could match up his speed and power at current. Skill player like TH or peter might had slight advantages under 15 point system, but not 21 point, bcause they always amied for precision and shuttle placing, which mean more error might occur.For LCW, i would say his games are so predictable and monotonous. He is nomatch againt LD. Feel sorry for him.

[jasonmarc]

Don't think Ld's closest opponent would be the toughest opponent for him.And Lee Chong WEi is the toughest opponent for him, period.
LCW could beat Lin Dan ( which is debatable by most ) , well, come again, Lin dan is no God.No matter how good he was, Lin dan is beatable.
Finding excuses is not the best way to have a win over Lin Dan later.Be it the unethical arrangement etc, Chong Wei has no one to put the blame on, but himself.That's how it goes.

But, to see the crowds cheering for him, in the arena, BC and at home, i could understand the whole meaning of Malaysians' support.That is priceless.Any big title could not pay for it.
So, if u ask me whether LCW's lack of anything, he isn't.He is fighting till the end.As long as he's trying to do smash, stay on the game, and keen for the next title,other things would be less important.
Bravo Chong Wei.

Well said....Koo_fan..........

When LCW was a new player in the arena....LD already WR No.1......LCW started to train hard....keep improving......from year...to year.....getting closer...and closer to LD.........and now the 2nd best player next to LD.....
thats the results of his hard work..........his efforts...all these days......although he is not as talented as LD....but...no one shd deny his determination to be the best..........one day....so I am proud of what he achieved...so far..............Keep it up LCW...........there's always next meeting.....with LD.........dont give up......

[sonnymak]

There is nothing lacking in LCW.

He is the best MS and most prolific that malaysia could produce since Wong Peng Soon (actually S'pore) and Eddy Choong.

Misbun dazzle the MS stage for a while but his play was anachronistic and got blasted away.

Rashid was technically superior to the brother and far fitter. But still lacked physical and mental strength to stay consistent.

Ong Ewe Hock was like Foo Kok Keong but pack a good smash. But lacked finesese and physically weaker than his peers in the top flight.

Yong Hock Kin was the better hope. Naturally gifted. Good foot work and play badminton with a sort of ease that Morten Frost would describe his movement like Ballet . His carreer was destroyed by the Nipah Virus.

Wong Choong Hann, the most Chinese Like Singles Player M'sia produced. But still lack consistency.

Hafiz, immensely gifted but could not take the fire.

LCW had surpassed all of them save for those in the 50s. Most consistent. Just count how many finals have he graced for the pass two years.

LCW is LCW, LD is LD.

LD is one of those exceptional athlete in the mold of Thing Hien Hiow.

His muscles twitch one milisecond faster than the rest. Remember he was rejected by the national youth training camp for lack of talent. that is because they thought his natural skill ability was lacking compare to the rest.

But He trained with the Army wing and that where his faster than lighning reflexes came from.

Since OG 08 the pressure is off, He is more relax and less tense this has turned him into another sort of player. When he retires, you wont see China having another LD but more Chen Hong Bao Chun Lai and Sun Jun type of Players because it will take another 10 years to find a boy with muscles like LD.

As for LCW, he should relax now and go be himself. No point imtating another style of play when you end up just being a poorer copy of the other.

He should revert to the old LCW and hone his deceptive style and defence. He should also choose tournaments to best conserve energy.

Let those struggling youngsters try to put a mark for themselves go for every SS. LCW should concentrate on the coming WC and hope some viru inflect LD then.

LCW wins more tournament when he is N0 2 or 3.

[X Ball]

LD has proven in the AE that he is the best. I have to swallow my pride when I say LCW is only 2tnd best

[williamtan2020]

haha...if second is nothing....then should th and pg retired????:rolleyes:

Retire....yes, if any of them players thinks he's only good enough to be second best.

[williamtan2020]

But according to some here as long as chants of Malaysia Boleh is heard loud and clear in the hall, it is already priceless. Their consolation is that support, cheering, feet stomping and chest thumping are all more important than winning titles. And coupled with other empty rhetorics (excuses to me) that LD had an easier route to the final, was more calm because he had the 1st game and etc, I think what we are seeing is some Malaysia Boleh withdrawal syndrome.

If you're holding tickets in the arena of course the boleh spirit is there. You should try seeing the reaction in local pubs or coffe shops. At the Olympic finals the crowd is.....what should I say....restless....all they want to see is LCW giving SuperDan a run for his money but he ended up as Dan's whipping boy not once, not twice, not thrice but for how many consecutive matches now...?? C'mon LCW, get a set off Dan in your next match and give us something to really shout about.

[eaglehelang]

If you're holding tickets in the arena of course the boleh spirit is there. You should try seeing the reaction in local pubs or coffe shops. At the Olympic finals the crowd is.....what should I say....restless....all they want to see is LCW giving SuperDan a run for his money but he ended up as Dan's whipping boy not once, not twice, not thrice but for how many consecutive matches now...?? C'mon LCW, get a set off Dan in your next match and give us something to really shout about.

Depends which crowd you're in, there're many (around 80 to 90% in fact) who actually thought 'sure lose'. If one study the reaction of the general public for some time, that's more the reality of it than the so called boleh spirit.

[Jonc108]

is it????aiya...why i didnt saw fear in lcw eyes????shaky leg???maybe i watch the wrong final...:rolleyes:...



oh ya...tat proverb is created by the writer himself....for ur infomation...;)...

limsy, you don't get my point from the Chinese old saying?

LCW is LCW, he is already a very good player. Without LD's presence, he could be the best player now. However, LD exists. LD is the best then.

LCW is not LD, you should not expect him to learn from LD and play LD's way to beat LD. This may be already LCW's best. Don't forget LD is one year younger than LCW...

LCW is already trying his best, but his best could not yet match LD's best, or LD's 80% of his best, at least now, and the foreseable future...

[Jonc108]

There is nothing lacking in LCW.
........
LCW is LCW, LD is LD.
......
As for LCW, he should relax now and go be himself. No point imtating another style of play when you end up just being a poorer copy of the other.
......
.


Well said Sonny, absolutely share your view...

LCW is already doing his best. Whether there would be another one better than him is out of his control...

[Ferrerkiko]

I think Lee chong wei should play like Lee Hyun-il, as in last year korea open final, play a very patience game. thats the only way to win

[epaphroditus]

There is nothing lacking in LCW. LD is simply a better player in terms of skills & mental toughness. I think LCW played pretty well in AE final but just couldn't match up with LD. Perhaps he could get some tips from Nadal. At once, Nadal was considered as "Jaguh Clay", but his will & mental toughness have transformed him into world #1 not just on paper. He has proven that he could beat Federer in numerous occasions. Hope LCW could one be the same one day.

[volcom]

There is nothing lacking in LCW. LD is simply a better player in terms of skills & mental toughness. I think LCW played pretty well in AE final but just couldn't match up with LD. Perhaps he could get some tips from Nadal. At once, Nadal was considered as "Jaguh Clay", but his will & mental toughness have transformed him into world #1 not just on paper. He has proven that he could beat Federer in numerous occasions. Hope LCW could one be the same one day.
Why always Nadal....
The guy is so much younger than Federer, while LCW is older than LD....

[epaphroditus]

Why always Nadal....
The guy is so much younger than Federer, while LCW is older than LD....

One year older will not make much different :D

[jutawin]

LCW still can not hold burden as Malaysia's only hope..

[cooler]

One year older will not make much different :D
can i buy 1 year of your youth for a dime?

[cooler]

Well said Sonny, absolutely share your view...

LCW is already doing his best. Whether there would be another one better than him is out of his control...would that cut down on the bolehing:confused::D

[limsy]

limsy, you don't get my point from the Chinese old saying?

LCW is LCW, he is already a very good player. Without LD's presence, he could be the best player now. However, LD exists. LD is the best then.

LCW is not LD, you should not expect him to learn from LD and play LD's way to beat LD. This may be already LCW's best. Don't forget LD is one year younger than LCW...

LCW is already trying his best, but his best could not yet match LD's best, or LD's 80% of his best, at least now, and the foreseable future...

haiya...explain on ur word of FEAR....;)

[schuweiz]

LCW is indeed a very good player but Misbun stated the exact reason why he loses so badly now...

If you lose out a little on almost every field of the game and a lot on the attack & confidence... how do you expect to win? LCW lacks in deception also, hes such a textbook badminton player that I no longer enjoy seeing him play.

Also I got no idea why ppls say LCW is fitter than Lin Dan... not because he is skinny and has like 7% bodyfat that he is fitter... he has no where the reaction time of LD, LD rushes to his shots at a much higher speed.

I do agree with you that LCW looks more like a textbook player, all his shots are sort of predicted by Lindan, just try to replay AE09 in slow-mo, you'll notice the difference..... which personally think that LD is taught by intention to specifically beat LCW, probably the Chinese Team acknowledge that LCW will be the one to beat in the next 2-3 years..... anyways, WE ALL STILL SUPPORT LCW!! now probably he should focus on how to beat LD as LD will also be the one to be in the coming years!! GO GO LCW LETS GO!!

[ye333]

I actually second this opinion. LCW indeed looked confused and reluctant when facing LD after OG. I guess this is because the performance of LD in OG totally exceeded LCW's expectation. Now LCW, when on court, has no idea what LD can do to his shots. I think LCW will do better and better as he plays more and more against LD, along the way establishing a new "model".


I am sick of seeing LCW gets beaten blue and black by the mighty Dan. When is CW going to take a set of this guy? I say, just go in there and attack from start, throw in kitchen sink, empty your tank. Win or lose, let not a single ounce of energy remain inside you as you walk off the court. I want to see LCW take a set off SuperDan in next tournament....just a set.....is this too much to ask?? And to Misbun and co.....second is NOTHING

[cooler]

I actually second this opinion. LCW indeed looked confused and reluctant when facing LD after OG. I guess this is because the performance of LD in OG totally exceeded LCW's expectation. Now LCW, when on court, has no idea what LD can do to his shots. I think LCW will do better and better as he plays more and more against LD, along the way establishing a new "model".i doubt lcw can play whatever style he feels like. Like in business, blaming the workers for the company mess is just scapegoating. Bolehians and diehards are going around in circles and pulling out their hairs. Accountability and resolution start from the top. Don't keep blaming poor showing on lcw. You guy should ask at 'what is still lacking in lcw's MANAGEMENT?'.

[Jonc108]

would that cut down on the bolehing:confused::D

no la... should keep up the bolehing to encourage LCW to always play his best.... althought a LCW at his best form would still be a class below a LD at this best.

Amongst the currently active players, i guess only TH could be able to match up with LD.... if he start to work hard now (yet we all knows this may not happen due to TH's character now...)

in my opinion, what LCW is short of LD is talent although with same or more hard working. A simplified analogy (like it or not):

best LD (with talent + hard work) >> best LCW (with less talent + hard work) > TH now (with talent + but no hard working)

and

LD (talent + hard work) > LCW (less talent + more hard work)

and

TH (talent + if hard work) may = LD (talent + hard work)

... pity that PG is older now...

LCW could steal a match or two from LD when LD is not at his best, but LD would always have a significantly better head to head overall...

[d65up2]

Well hahaha LCW is too arrogant...he thinks he is the best in the world but no...well this might be a heartbreak to the bole fan but LCW would never win any major championship...he will come 2nd but will never win trust me and somehow this makes me soooo happy

[cooler]

no la... should keep up the bolehing to encourage LCW to always play his best.... althought a LCW at his best form would still be a class below a LD at this best.

Amongst the currently active players, i guess only TH could be able to match up with LD.... if he start to work hard now (yet we all knows this may not happen due to TH's character now...)

in my opinion, what LCW is short of LD is talent although with same or more hard working. A simplified analogy (like it or not):

best LD (with talent + hard work) >> best LCW (with less talent + hard work) > TH now (with talent + but no hard working)

and

LD (talent + hard work) > LCW (less talent + more hard work)

and

TH (talent + if hard work) may = LD (talent + hard work)

... pity that PG is older now...

LCW could steal a match or two from LD when LD is not at his best, but LD would always have a significantly better head to head overall...
lol, using your mathematical reasoning:

LYB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misbun + Mulyo + Li Mao + etc

LOL

[madbad]

Well hahaha LCW is too arrogant...he thinks he is the best in the world but no...well this might be a heartbreak to the bole fan but LCW would never win any major championship...he will come 2nd but will never win trust me and somehow this makes me soooo happy

LCW arrogant? From where did you get this idea? State some examples please.

[madbad]

lol, using your mathematical reasoning:

LYB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misbun + Mulyo + Li Mao + etc

LOL

Jeez cooler, stating the obvious here :D

[d65up2]

LCW arrogant? From where did you get this idea? State some examples please.

From where?? well does he sign autograph like Taufik did??? no he doesn't..is he friendly??? well from my experience in AE last yr and this yr well he is not a very nice guy...after the game against Lin Dan I actually waited for Chong Wei and tell him....

well I am happy that u lost....perhaps if u are a little more humble u'd be a btter player

[cooler]

Jeez cooler, stating the obvious here :D
another obvious, my grammar is <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< math:D

[madbad]

From where?? well does he sign autograph like Taufik did??? no he doesn't..is he friendly??? well from my experience in AE last yr and this yr well he is not a very nice guy...after the game against Lin Dan I actually waited for Chong Wei and tell him....

well I am happy that u lost....perhaps if u are a little more humble u'd be a btter player

I think you do your fellow Indonesians a disservice with your immature attitude and intolerance.

Are you referring to me personally when you say "u"? I did not lose. LCW did. By general consensus, it's widely known and accepted that LCW is a humble person. If signing autographs is your yardstick for being a "nice guy", then the majority of badminton players, nay sports personalities, are jerks. :cool:

[d65up2]

I think you do your fellow Indonesians a disservice with your immature attitude and intolerance.

Are you referring to me personally when you say "u"? I did not lose. LCW did. By general consensus, it's widely known and accepted that LCW is a humble person. If signing autographs is your yardstick for being a "nice guy", then the majority of badminton players, nay sports personalities, are jerks. :cool:

well thats what I said to CW...I waited for him in the exit and I said that word for word.....

[badadum]

I think you do your fellow Indonesians a disservice with your immature attitude and intolerance.

Are you referring to me personally when you say "u"? I did not lose. LCW did. By general consensus, it's widely known and accepted that LCW is a humble person. If signing autographs is your yardstick for being a "nice guy", then the majority of badminton players, nay sports personalities, are jerks. :cool:

Actually, he said he told LCW those word.
Just ignore the kampungan boy from Makassar. He has ax to grind with MAS and always try to stir up trouble between MAS - INA.

[madbad]

Actually, he said he told LCW those word.
Just ignore the kampungan boy from Makassar. He has axe to grind with MAS and always try to stir up trouble between MAS - INA.

Thanks, I will take your advice :)

[madbad]

well thats what I said to CW...I waited for him in the exit and I said that word for word.....

OK, I got it. Your opinion.

[Destricto_Ense]

In my mind, LCW is the least plausible candidate of the golden 4 to be associated with arrogance..

[koo_fan]

I actually second this opinion. LCW indeed looked confused and reluctant when facing LD after OG. I guess this is because the performance of LD in OG totally exceeded LCW's expectation. Now LCW, when on court, has no idea what LD can do to his shots. I think LCW will do better and better as he plays more and more against LD, along the way establishing a new "model".
Looking through your post, perhaps Lee Chong Wei's indeed had that problem.
Like kkk/tbh, chong wei's problem is inside him.
What the Bolehian waiting for is for the players to break the wall.Forget the Great the Wall Of China first, it's inside them.
Before a tournament, say yes to yourself.

[koo_fan]

In my mind, LCW is the least plausible candidate of the golden 4 to be associated with arrogance..
Who got no problem with Lin dan, Taufik, Gade, etc?
Chong Wei.

[d65up2]

Actually, he said he told LCW those word.
Just ignore the kampungan boy from Makassar. He has ax to grind with MAS and always try to stir up trouble between MAS - INA.

Wow did I abuse u personally??? u are now abusing me personally....I was just attacking LCW not the MAS....I am attacking Malaysian shuttlers not Malaysian or individuals....

[Morten]

LCW is not lagging and LD is not unbeatable.
LD has the advantage because he has a dream draw which means he is much,much fresher than LCW.He has a qualifier for R1,training match with teammate in R2,non-opponent for QF(who only got 9 points from LCW in SPO08;LD's more generous to JP,giving him 10+ points) another training match with teammate in SF.In SF,CHN thought so highly of LCW they dared not take the risk of playing another 10 mins to properly finish the match.CHN obviously believed even LD needed that benefit of being 10 mins fresher to defeat LCW.Maybe not but they were not taking chances.
EXpect the same scenario in Swiss Open where LD has another dream draw and LCW may have it even tougher to reach the final.Be reasonable in your expectations but hope for the best and you will be less disappointed.

This is some of the most biased that I have read in a long time. LCW didnt really have a tough road to the finals either. Playing Ville Lang in the quarters in such a big tournament is close to a walkover for a player with abilities like LCW. He did meet Taufik and beat him comfortable, but thats one tough match/opponent before reaching the finals (not counting Li Yu since he at the moment havent achieved anything major).

I think its time to look into the mirror and recognize that LD is just one step ahead of LCW and 2-3 steps ahead of the likes of Taufik, Gade, CJ, Bao etc.

[badadum]

Wow did I abuse u personally??? u are now abusing me personally....I was just attacking LCW not the MAS....I am attacking Malaysian shuttlers not Malaysian or individuals....

LOL, you call a reflection of your behavior an abuse??? You stated yourself you're attacking LCW, but now you complaint when some harsh word are levied against you?? And what is MAS shuttlers if not individuals?? :rolleyes:

madbad called your attitude & intolerance immature and a disservice to INA, why didn't you start claiming he abuse you too?

You have a long running history of badmouthing MAS (sometimes the player, sometimes the country, but always MAS). Want to argue against that now? :rolleyes:

[cooler]

This is some of the most biased that I have read in a long time. LCW didnt really have a tough road to the finals either. Playing Ville Lang in the quarters in such a big tournament is close to a walkover for a player with abilities like LCW. He did meet Taufik and beat him comfortable, but thats one tough match/opponent before reaching the finals (not counting Li Yu since he at the moment havent achieved anything major).

I think its time to look into the mirror and recognize that LD is just one step ahead of LCW and 2-3 steps ahead of the likes of Taufik, Gade, CJ, Bao etc.
thx you for the 3rd party unbiased viewpoint.
After the 08 OG, when LD was absent in tournaments (except 08 HKO) until the 09 AE, tournament MS titles were won by peter gade, soni kuncoro, Taufik, LCW, and some other lesser players which showed there aren't a clear dominate player behind LD. The rest are just distance 2nd, 3rd, etc. which more or less can be grouped altogether.. LCW didn't win until SS final, i think PG had picked up 2 titles (from memory). Also, on those tournaments where Chen jin and BCL have limited participation, they went there probably unprepared just to have china presence as instructed by LYB. If LCW is truly a close 2nd behind LD, LCW would and should have wrap up most of the titles during this LD-free period. LCW did not do that.

[joelabb]

Well hahaha LCW is too arrogant...he thinks he is the best in the world but no...well this might be a heartbreak to the bole fan but LCW would never win any major championship...he will come 2nd but will never win trust me and somehow this makes me soooo happy

You are wrong friend. LCW was the most humble person I ever meet. When he came to my town in Kuching, Sarawak for training few years ago, I went to chat with him after his practice and he treat me like a friend that he know for a long time even though that is the first time I meet him.:)

[Han]

May be Chong Wei need the coach who will not take the loss likely(Li Mao comes to mind), I think Misbun is too nice and gracious after defeat. Is all propagate from the top, if the coach is "chin chai"(easy going) then student also "chin chin chai chai" :D
Chong Wei needs to be more aggressive besides just train hard.

[^Tayo^]

I go with the belief that LD is a lefty and that all the greatest players that I like were lefties (Peter Rasmussen, YangYang, Xuaxiang Xie, etc.. ), I also include Nadal, even though he's a Tennis player but he's just awesome over the rest. As a lefty player myself, I denote a lot game perceptions which a righty can never achieve, for example righties keep lifting unconsciously to our forehand as if they think it's our backhand or weak spot or something, I mean wtf? If you righties keep wondering why, then ask yourselves why are we able to do so many smashes? Also our brain motor skills are more developped than righties, having said that even though i have the utmost respect for LCW for his footwork but LD not he only have mastered those footwork but his shot technics as way sharper than LCW. I can keep going with the list that I experience as lefty (like we're more patience, perfectionist, etc..) but I don't want to want to spoil this threat. Also bear in mind that these comments are purely and solely subjectives. That's just my 2 cents. hehehe.

[joelabb]

I go with the belief that LD is a lefty and that all the greatest players that I like were lefties (Peter Rasmussen, YangYang, Xuaxiang Xie, etc.. ), I also include Nadal, even though he's a Tennis player but he's just awesome over the rest. As a lefty player myself, I denote a lot game perceptions which a righty can never achieve, for example righties keep lifting unconsciously to our forehand as if they think it's our backhand or weak spot or something, I mean wtf? If you righties keep wondering why, then ask yourselves why are we able to do so many smashes? Also our brain motor skills are more developped than righties, having said that even though i have the utmost respect for LCW for his footwork but LD not he only have mastered those footwork but his shot technics as way sharper than LCW. I can keep going with the list that I experience as lefty (like we're more patience, perfectionist, etc..) but I don't want to want to spoil this threat. Also bear in mind that these comments are purely and solely subjectives. That's just my 2 cents. hehehe.

I totally agree with you 100% on this fact because I'm also lefty :D:D:D

[Destricto_Ense]

How stupid do you think a player would be to not recognise the swapped side for forehand/backhand with a left-handed opponent?!

[Athelete1234]

I am sick of seeing LCW gets beaten blue and black by the mighty Dan. When is CW going to take a set of this guy? I say, just go in there and attack from start, throw in kitchen sink, empty your tank. Win or lose, let not a single ounce of energy remain inside you as you walk off the court. I want to see LCW take a set off SuperDan in next tournament....just a set.....is this too much to ask?? And to Misbun and co.....second is NOTHING
Just try to find ANY player who can take a set off of LD; taufik, CJ, BCL, PG, LCW, PSH, SDK; none of them can.

[cooler]

How stupid do you think a player would be to not recognise the swapped side for forehand/backhand with a left-handed opponent?!woooah, hold ur horses, remember, u r still under training:p

[Destricto_Ense]

I don't seem to be learning much from my presumptive mentor..

[^Tayo^]

How stupid do you think a player would be to not recognise the swapped side for forehand/backhand with a left-handed opponent?!

As suspected, some readers took it as a fireball hehehe. And you're it. Like Forrest Gump said "stupid is as stupid does". However I don't think that LCW is stupid, he's in fact an exceptional player and that LD is not an unbeatable player. My set of reasonings is purely Shakespearian, "there's a method to every madness". A Murphy's law by which you can't prove and only can be stated as "it's the way it is". So who's stupid?

[Destricto_Ense]

That's a very poetic way of saying nothing discernible.

[^Tayo^]

I totally agree with you 100% on this fact because I'm also lefty :D:D:D

High five. Forgot to add in my list my important star Fu Haifeng, the lefty with the biggest smash :)

[d65up2]

LOL, you call a reflection of your behavior an abuse??? You stated yourself you're attacking LCW, but now you complaint when some harsh word are levied against you?? And what is MAS shuttlers if not individuals?? :rolleyes:

madbad called your attitude & intolerance immature and a disservice to INA, why didn't you start claiming he abuse you too?

You have a long running history of badmouthing MAS (sometimes the player, sometimes the country, but always MAS). Want to argue against that now? :rolleyes:

well true but u know I am here defending INA's pride. If I am not here who is there to defend INA's pride against constant bullying from our beloved friend MAS??? Well u see other INA's bcers never actually opposed me directly. I even received PMs endorsing me as I just speak my mind. I do encourage more INA bcers to speak their mind.......lets face it INA and MAS are not fond of each other anyway. so it is understandable if I am wishing for all MAS players to get knocked out as early as possible.....

[Destricto_Ense]

d65up2 (http://badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=30190), you are doing Indonesia a disservice in your attack on Malaysian players. I don't see evidence of dislike for Malaysia from other members.. in fact, I saw the opposite in the National Indoor Arena when I saw Malaysia fans cheering Indonesian players.

[badadum]

well true but u know I am here defending INA's pride. If I am not here who is there to defend INA's pride against constant bullying from our beloved friend MAS???



Tell me, what INA pride is exactly there to defend, considering not a single Pelatnas player made it past QF and no INA representative is in the final?
And where the heck is this "constant bullying from our beloved friend MAS" ??? Did any MAS ever posted, "I hope INA doesn't win a single title tomorrow!!!" or "Hopefully no title for MAS, that'll be good" or calling an INA players arrogant without any proof, while the overwhelming evidence point to the contrary?? If there's any bullying, its all been coming out of your mouth, not to mention your favorite habit of dragging politics to baddy forum for God knows how many times.



Well u see other INA's bcers never actually opposed me directly. I even received PMs endorsing me as I just speak my mind. I do encourage more INA bcers to speak their mind.......


Never oppose you directly? Funny, I'm sure this isn't the first time I've butted head with you and unless you've been living under a rock, I think its pretty clear to see that I'm a pretty staunch INA fans!
Since you encouraging ppl to speak their mind, here's one for you. Stop embarrasing your beloved ibu pertiwi by acting like an uneducated preman. All you've succesfully achieve is implanting the stereotype of how unreasonable and rude Indonesians are!

Should've heed my own advice....where the heck is Oldhand when you need him.. :p

[Pemuda]

well true but u know I am here defending INA's pride. If I am not here who is there to defend INA's pride against constant bullying from our beloved friend MAS??? Well u see other INA's bcers never actually opposed me directly. I even received PMs endorsing me as I just speak my mind. I do encourage more INA bcers to speak their mind.......lets face it INA and MAS are not fond of each other anyway. so it is understandable if I am wishing for all MAS players to get knocked out as early as possible.....

Constant bullying by Malaysians? Indonesia & Malaysia not fond of each other? Pak, ini bukan cakap main main.

You may want to reconsider your above claims. Personally, I got no problems with Indonesia or Indonesians and I am sure many Malaysians feel the same way. Infact, I love Indonesia. I love nasi padang, Hotel Mulia, CJ's bar, girls in Jakarta, Peterpan, Bali, Agnes Monica, Luna Maya.

Malaysia and Indonesia are actually like brothers, dude. Our KLIA, Twin Towers and even that Flagpole were built by you guys.

[hcyong]

What is still lacking in LCW?

Isn't that obvious? Major titles la...

[Pemuda]

What is still lacking in LCW?

Isn't that obvious? Major titles la...

On the dot, bro. On the dot!

[hcyong]

Malaysians should and must keep cheering for him. What kind of national spirit are you showing when you keep bashing him for finishing second?

Look at, for example, Marcos Baghdatis from Cyprus. What major titles has he won? Yet, everywhere he goes (especially in the Australian Open), he got the full support from the Greek community even when he loses. That's nice to see, instead of boos from his own people.

[danielwong]

Malaysians should and must keep cheering for him. What kind of national spirit are you showing when you keep bashing him for finishing second?

Look at, for example, Marcos Baghdatis from Cyprus. What major titles has he won? Yet, everywhere he goes (especially in the Australian Open), he got the full support from the Greek community even when he loses. That's nice to see, instead of boos from his own people.



same answer,
1) Is wrong for Malaysians to keep on chanting Malaysia Boleh
2) He feel disgusted seeing Malaysians supporting our players, if win, most is shallow win or home titles, or beating second stringers only....
3) LCW and the rest is wasting our taxpayers money...coz i think he pays a lot, maybe the rest of Malaysia Bcers didnt pay income tax or dont care....
4) Malaysia already have biggest bla bla bla in the world, but cant even win
a major titles in badminton, he is so sick with that...
:cool::cool::cool::cool:

[jasonmarc]

same answer,
1) Is wrong for Malaysians to keep on chanting Malaysia Boleh
2) He feel disgusted seeing Malaysians supporting our players, if win, most is shallow win or home titles, or beating second stringers only....
3) LCW and the rest is wasting our taxpayers money...coz i think he pays a lot, maybe the rest of Malaysia Bcers didnt pay income tax or dont care....
4) Malaysia already have biggest bla bla bla in the world, but cant even win
a major titles in badminton, he is so sick with that...
:cool::cool::cool::cool:


What LCW is lacking...................i think its ......genuine 100 % support from his own country fellas......................What he gets only...non stopping bashing............even though he had trained hard.......being so consistent
in his game...........trying so hard to play good badminton.......for Malaysia............never give up trying to beat LD..........and yet still get the bombarded.............poor him.....:(

[Athelete1234]

I just find that while malaysia has the boleh squad, it's also got a bashing squad, something you dont' see with indonesia or china (I might be wrong, I havent visited any chinese forums).

[danielwong]

I just find that while malaysia has the boleh squad, it's also got a bashing squad, something you dont' see with indonesia or china (I might be wrong, I havent visited any chinese forums).


actually most Malaysians is here...thats why you can see mixed response
:cool::cool:

[jasonmarc]

I just find that while malaysia has the boleh squad, it's also got a bashing squad, something you dont' see with indonesia or china (I might be wrong, I havent visited any chinese forums).

In Mas....the opposition parties are getting stronger...and stronger.....:D:D:D

[Oldhand]

[...]Should've heed my own advice....where the heck is Oldhand when you need him.. :p

Watching... and waiting :mad:

[Dato A]

well true but u know I am here defending INA's pride. If I am not here who is there to defend INA's pride against constant bullying from our beloved friend MAS??? Well u see other INA's bcers never actually opposed me directly. I even received PMs endorsing me as I just speak my mind. I do encourage more INA bcers to speak their mind.......lets face it INA and MAS are not fond of each other anyway. so it is understandable if I am wishing for all MAS players to get knocked out as early as possible.....

You wish all Mas Shuttlers to get knocked out as early as possible??

Well, you should pray that yours beloved Ina Shuttlers avoided facing mas shuttlers in future games. Lets see the things, for example -

AE2009

Chong Wei Feng Beat Tommy Sugiarto
The Fuzzy Beat Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki/Rian Sukmawan
Gan Teik Chai/Tan Bin Shen Beat Joko Riyadi/Candra Wijaya
Lee Chong Wei THRASHED Taufik Hidayat

By the way, INA should thank Mas for sending INA players back to the country in early so that they can save the accommodation and other cost inccurred.

[sonnymak]

People here have forgotten how LCW clobbered LD in Jakarta.
Y'all didnt see that match? LD was outgunned and out played. And LD was in good form then. Why cant BC'ers cut the nationalistic sentiments and just analyse the players on the Badminton side of things.

LCW did eveything right in the 1st set, he was positive and attacked more than his usual game that's why you see more errors in LD in 1st set. Although the score was 21-19 the match lasted 20 minutes whereas the 2nd set the scoreline was 21-12 but lasted 25 minutes. That could only mean that the rallies were shorter by both players in the 1st set.

The 2nd set LCW played longer rallies trying to play a bit more variety but LD was faster and could return many shots. at 15-12 LCW sholud have attack more then he could have a chance but he squandered that shuttle beyond the baseline and his game was finished after that.

[luyi80]

I just find that while malaysia has the boleh squad, it's also got a bashing squad, something you dont' see with indonesia or china (I might be wrong, I havent visited any chinese forums).
If u understand mandarin, then I highly recommend chinese forum like sina or sohu, there u can read lots of 'interesting' comments from chinese fans on their players...:D

[Louisa]

I just find that while malaysia has the boleh squad, it's also got a bashing squad, something you dont' see with indonesia or china (I might be wrong, I havent visited any chinese forums).


If u understand mandarin, then I highly recommend chinese forum like sina or sohu, there u can read lots of 'interesting' comments from chinese fans on their players...:D

Yup, for me, ppl like Pemuda, Cooler & Bananakid, they are using more civilized words though bashing our players...kinda teasing I guess...but for a small number of Chn fans, they use 'xxxx' words which were really.....But, not all of them like what I mentioned, a small number of them...

[volcom]

People here have forgotten how LCW clobbered LD in Jakarta.
Y'all didnt see that match? LD was outgunned and out played. And LD was in good form then. Why cant BC'ers cut the nationalistic sentiments and just analyse the players on the Badminton side of things.

LCW did eveything right in the 1st set, he was positive and attacked more than his usual game that's why you see more errors in LD in 1st set. Although the score was 21-19 the match lasted 20 minutes whereas the 2nd set the scoreline was 21-12 but lasted 25 minutes. That could only mean that the rallies were shorter by both players in the 1st set.

The 2nd set LCW played longer rallies trying to play a bit more variety but LD was faster and could return many shots. at 15-12 LCW sholud have attack more then he could have a chance but he squandered that shuttle beyond the baseline and his game was finished after that.

That was one bad day... and He wasn''t in too good form in the tournament.
Had to drag PSH to three sets...

[koo_fan]

What LCW is lacking...................i think its ......genuine 100 % support from his own country fellas......................What he gets only...non stopping bashing............even though he had trained hard.......being so consistent
in his game...........trying so hard to play good badminton.......for Malaysia............never give up trying to beat LD..........and yet still get the bombarded.............poor him.....:(


Support from Malaysian is there.I doubt if anyone of us would want him to lose.Never ever.
The way to imply the support, each of us different.
I would want to think Lee Chong Wei wanted Malaysians to give him support, as i would want the same thing if i was him.
Badminton is a passion, it matters for me if LCW win or lose, simply because it matters.
But hey..Ld's might be better than him, that's how things are.3 wins and 11 losts.Facts.
I'd want Lee Chong Wei to fight, fight and fight.Possibility of winning or not winning depends on who's performing better that day.For that, Chong wei, you can!

[george@chongwei]

Watching... and waiting :mad:
im glad u are aware of it, oldhand:(
my hot water temperature has got its limit:mad::rolleyes:

[limsy]

i really feel sad for ina...having some tat embrassing their own country....:crying:....sigh....hope u can really learn ur lesson...and grow up....live in hate and anger...is bad for ur own healthy....:(...dont live in ur own world...try to walk out...:)

[williamtan2020]

Support from Malaysian is there.I doubt if anyone of us would want him to lose.Never ever.
The way to imply the support, each of us different.
I would want to think Lee Chong Wei wanted Malaysians to give him support, as i would want the same thing if i was him.
Badminton is a passion, it matters for me if LCW win or lose, simply because it matters.
But hey..Ld's might be better than him, that's how things are.3 wins and 11 losts.Facts.
I'd want Lee Chong Wei to fight, fight and fight.Possibility of winning or not winning depends on who's performing better that day.For that, Chong wei, you can!

That's right, we want him to fight till the end but I always get the feeling that after CW gets beaten by dan, he steped of the court without giving everthing he's got. Is it fighting sprit or wrong strategy applied?

[eaglehelang]

im glad u are aware of it, oldhand:(
my hot water temperature has got its limit:mad::rolleyes:

Why your "hot water temperature" boiling? Ooops, i found out why, dr65 is back. :p

[eaglehelang]

same answer,
.............(shorten to save space, hehe)
4) Malaysia already have biggest bla bla bla in the world, but cant even win
a major titles in badminton, he is so sick with that...
:cool::cool::cool::cool:
Errrr, we already know these points for the past.....1.5 years, if you catch my drift ;):p:p


.......
By the way, INA should thank Mas for sending INA players back to the country in early so that they can save the accommodation and other cost inccurred.

LOL, that's a good one. Dato, you really should apply to replace Kenny Goh.
:D:D:D

[abedeng]

LCW is LCW, he is already a very good player. Without LD's presence, he could be the best player now. However, LD exists. LD is the best then.

LCW is not LD, you should not expect him to learn from LD and play LD's way to beat LD. This may be already LCW's best. Don't forget LD is one year younger than LCW...

LCW is already trying his best, but his best could not yet match LD's best, or LD's 80% of his best, at least now, and the foreseable future...

This LCW and LD saga reminds me of the late Svend Pri and Rudy Hartono. Hartono was the LD of the 70s, Pri didn't get to beat him more than a couple of times (I think), but I was there when Pri took home the All-England title in '75, upsetting Rudy Hartono the way Punch Gunalan failed to do a year before.

[X Ball]

This LCW and LD saga reminds me of the late Svend Pri and Rudy Hartono. Hartono was the LD of the 70s, Pri didn't get to beat him more than a couple of times (I think), but I was there when Pri took home the All-England title in '75, upsetting Rudy Hartono the way Punch Gunalan failed to do a year before.

In another word, let us not take it for granted that LD will win every time ? :D

I agree fully, everybody improves over time if they are ready to learn. LCW will not go away thinking this is the end of his career, that he will only live in LD's shadow. That would be Pemuda's line of thinking - he went to the wrong Uni. unfortunately. :eek: Too late for him now.:D

[X Ball]

Watching... and waiting :mad:


Old hand, are you ready for an ICE LEMON TEA that you won from me? Come get it :D or wait for my next trip to Singapore, which could be some time.;)

[jensen9173]

LCW lack of confidence against LD. He should think of he is the champion not LD. Also he played too safe and lack of smash or attacking. AT700 vs AT900P:crying:

[X Ball]

LCW lack of confidence against LD. He should think of he is the champion not LD. Also he played too safe and lack of smash or attacking. AT700 vs AT900P:crying:

When one is playing a very well trained LD, one needs to be at your best. If your concentration deserts you, it will be all over fast -- as the 2nd game showed. But if you take the 1st set, it could have gone either way. LD played the big points at the tail end unfortunately.

[dassad]

ok I has seen a match as well.
So - an answer is "nothing". LCW currently doesnt lack something, he is just weaker. The score is showing as it was hard for LD, but a game itself - no))
LCW played much better than in 2008, and 2 straight stupid mistakes at 19:17 are showing a lot of drama inside. But it seems even without those mistakes LD was able to win the first set

[green.blood]

LD is simply one step ahead in class. He rarely made unforced errors, has killer smashes, quick and very consistent. He is a machine!!!

LCW in the other hand plays beautifully but prone to errors in big matches.

This is a result when you have 7 world class sparring partners and 4 mental trainers :)

Anyway in the Olympic 2008 finals LD reminds me to an Energizer TV advertisement. The match was like alkaline batt vs. normal batt... :)

[sysoh]

No doubt that LD is the most complete player on the planet. It is also no doubt that China did the match-fixing in so many tournaments. With LD's strength, they do not need to do this. Shame on LYB. Also shame on some of the Chinese media, they like to misinterpret some of the news, e.g. Rashid's comment on match-fixing. They also always omit the Head to Head data of Sudirman cup and Thomas cup since BWF does not have this data in their database.

[danielwong]

Yup, for me, ppl like Pemuda, Cooler & Bananakid, they are using more civilized words though bashing our players...kinda teasing I guess...but for a small number of Chn fans, they use 'xxxx' words which were really.....But, not all of them like what I mentioned, a small number of them...


huh? realli? i would like to join those site then...:D:D
would like to use xxx words...but too bad, i dunno chinese
:D:D

[AlanY]

What LCW needed is a bit of luck to get a couple of good and squarely won matches against LD. I do believe that there is not much difference between them both technically and tactically. LCW just needed that extra bit of luck to get over that mental block that he can beat LD. May be then we will have better matches between the top 2 players at the moment. I was at the AE last week, LCW just does not has the confident nor conviction that he can win, unfortunately.

[jensen9173]

Yup! agree!!!! and he himself had admitted that when he enter the court LCW got afraid of felling toward LD. So the point is clear when you afraid of someone in match you had lost 30%:o


What LCW needed is a bit of luck to get a couple of good and squarely won matches against LD. I do believe that there is not much difference between them both technically and tactically. LCW just needed that extra bit of luck to get over that mental block that he can beat LD. May be then we will have better matches between the top 2 players at the moment. I was at the AE last week, LCW just does not has the confident nor conviction that he can win, unfortunately.

[Oldhand]

What LCW needed is a bit of luck to get a couple of good and squarely won matches against LD. I do believe that there is not much difference between them both technically and tactically. LCW just needed that extra bit of luck to get over that mental block that he can beat LD. May be then we will have better matches between the top 2 players at the moment. I was at the AE last week, LCW just does not has the confident nor conviction that he can win, unfortunately.

Lee Chong Wei needs luck? :eek:
But his game has been full of it.

See this post (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1113648&postcount=8).

[koo_fan]

Lee Chong Wei needs luck? :eek:
But his game has been full of it.

See this post (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1113648&postcount=8).
Luck - When he's able to utilize LD's unforce errors, and play his game on his own.
That's the only way to beat LinDan, that's the luck we hoped for him.

[jutawin]

Maybe LCW must play using his left hand to beat "the left hander" Lindan. hehe..

[extremenanopowe]

well, LD has that 5% extra in talent and confidence. Assuming that both are at top form.

Agree on the mental weakness part. I guess he'll just have to wait for lindan to get a bad day or moodless to beat him. Another possibilities is for LD to have tough opponents all the way.

Am sure LCW will get the chance to get some wins. LD is still a human.;)

[Pemuda]

my hot water temperature has got its limit:mad::rolleyes:

If you are having trouble drinking your milk, try this then ...

[bananakid]

If you are having trouble drinking your milk, try this then ...

LOL... where do you find these images? They seem to fit perfectly into your posts each and every time.


Back to topic... Lee Chong Wei lacks a coach that can give him an analysis of his game (with assumptions of what if blur, blur, blur) like X Ball. That way, LCW will no doubt have more fake confidence when he has to play in any major tournament.

[george@chongwei]

LOL... where do you find these images? They seem to fit perfectly into your posts each and every time.


Back to topic... Lee Chong Wei lacks a coach that can give him an analysis of his game (with assumptions of what if blur, blur, blur) like X Ball. That way, LCW will no doubt have more fake confidence when he has to play in any major tournament.
maybe he works for the company and are currently promoting his product up to here, bc:eek: because of no business in MAS and current recession time. maybe that's his part time job..aww..feel sad for him though.:(
sorry for the off topic
banana, do u mean that misbun is a blur blur coach?:eek:

[pjswift]

This is some of the most biased that I have read in a long time. LCW didnt really have a tough road to the finals either. Playing Ville Lang in the quarters in such a big tournament is close to a walkover for a player with abilities like LCW. He did meet Taufik and beat him comfortable, but thats one tough match/opponent before reaching the finals (not counting Li Yu since he at the moment havent achieved anything major).

I think its time to look into the mirror and recognize that LD is just one step ahead of LCW and 2-3 steps ahead of the likes of Taufik, Gade, CJ, Bao etc.
You should analyse how LD won or lost finals.The times when he lost finals were when he had a tough SF or when his opponent had an easier or same level type of SF.The times he won titles were when he had a CHN MS waiting for him in the SF or Final.When he had a CHN MS waiting in the SF,he just strolled into the final.
It's most important for LD to be fresher than his non-CHN opponents in the final. If he's equally or less fresh,he's likely to lose.Check his history. The pattern is unmistakeable.
Why do you think CJ had to retire in SF? Do you think CJ would retire even if injured if he were playing LCW and LD's in the other SF? CJ would fight to death for sure in the name of patriotism.
When LYB has to arrange for a truncated SF (just like in HKO), he's indirectly saying LCW is superior to LD, that's why LD needed some padding to 'play safe' or maximise chances of winning.If I were LCW,I would be imbued with special confidence knowing that's what LYB thinks.
(There is a key difference between the SF in this AE and the HKO.It's in the crowd.The HKO crowd booed the unsporting CHN MS.The AE crowd just accepted it, blind as bats.)
Why else do you think LYB has to constantly make such arrangements? And only when LD's opponent is LCW and no one else? Do you know when LCW beat LD?That's when they were both equally fresh.SC,TC, JO(and not counting the ones in MAS).In fact,in JO,SC and TC,LCW thrashed LD because LD collapsed mentally.
A LD mental collapse can happen anytime.It's a matter of time.

[koo_fan]

Why do you think CJ had to retire in SF? Do you think CJ would retire even if injured if he were playing LCW and LD's in the other SF? CJ would fight to death for sure in the name of patriotism.

I would not put the blame on this for the LCW's final lost.It's not intelligent.
LCW had pretty smooth journey all to finals, (well, i expected it to be different with taufik's game), thus, it's pretty fair for Chong Wei.
he has to be responsible for his own lost, not anyone else.


A LD mental collapse can happen anytime.It's a matter of time.

That's the phrase i'd like to put as an argument to oppose
"Ld is unbeatable"

[cooler]

Why do you think CJ had to retire in SF? Do you think CJ would retire even if injured if he were playing LCW and LD's in the other SF? CJ would fight to death for sure in the name of patriotism..

lol, u r still so blur.
LD won.ie, China won.

By your account, isn't it was CJ TRUE patristism that u said CJ followed LYB's game plan to fold it in for LD?? Now u ask CJ to fight on in the name patriotism. U r confusing the hell out of us.

[chirigamii]

Wow ! Chen Jin is very wounded ! Less than one week after his abandon against Lin Dan, Chen Jin is playing at the Swiss Open and beat easily Bao Chun Lai and then Dicky Palayama. No, no, no, chinese team is very fair in badminton...

[koo_fan]

Wow ! Chen Jin is very wounded ! Less than one week after his abandon against Lin Dan, Chen Jin is playing at the Swiss Open and beat easily Bao Chun Lai and then Dicky Palayama. No, no, no, chinese team is very fair in badminton...
Perhaps they managed to get the best doctor.

[volcom]

You should analyse how LD won or lost finals.The times when he lost finals were when he had a tough SF or when his opponent had an easier or same level type of SF.The times he won titles were when he had a CHN MS waiting for him in the SF or Final.When he had a CHN MS waiting in the SF,he just strolled into the final.
It's most important for LD to be fresher than his non-CHN opponents in the final. If he's equally or less fresh,he's likely to lose.Check his history. The pattern is unmistakeable.
Why do you think CJ had to retire in SF? Do you think CJ would retire even if injured if he were playing LCW and LD's in the other SF? CJ would fight to death for sure in the name of patriotism.
When LYB has to arrange for a truncated SF (just like in HKO), he's indirectly saying LCW is superior to LD, that's why LD needed some padding to 'play safe' or maximise chances of winning.If I were LCW,I would be imbued with special confidence knowing that's what LYB thinks.
(There is a key difference between the SF in this AE and the HKO.It's in the crowd.The HKO crowd booed the unsporting CHN MS.The AE crowd just accepted it, blind as bats.)
Why else do you think LYB has to constantly make such arrangements? And only when LD's opponent is LCW and no one else? Do you know when LCW beat LD?That's when they were both equally fresh.SC,TC, JO(and not counting the ones in MAS).In fact,in JO,SC and TC,LCW thrashed LD because LD collapsed mentally.
A LD mental collapse can happen anytime.It's a matter of time.


Cry more, you want some sorbent or klennex tissues?
LOL at LD collapsed mentally... in TC? and SC? hahahaha
Unlike LCW who self combusts everytime mate

[joelabb]

Perhaps they managed to get the best doctor.

I think LYB was a specialist in acupuncture :rolleyes:

[koo_fan]

I think LYB was a specialist in acupuncture :rolleyes:
No ! You kiddin me?!:D
How good was him?

[joelabb]

No ! You kiddin me?!:D
How good was him?
If not how can in 3 days can play like that :D when WCH injured in Thomas Cup last time BAM should ask the service of LYB :D:D:D

[koo_fan]

If not how can in 3 days can play like that :D when WCH injured in Thomas Cup last time BAM should ask the service of LYB :D:D:D

Visa problem, maybe.
Next time, we will.:D

[joelabb]

All the best to LCW, hope he can beat TH again :) tomorrow.

[koo_fan]

I hope it's a good game

[yyclub]

Friends take a break, there is an outside chance of Ayob to play Andrew Smith in final.

[george@chongwei]

All the best to LCW, hope he can beat TH again :) tomorrow.
yep, all the best to him again later.
i expect a tough match this time..

[xymaerts]

From the Swiss Open final.I had got the answer... He does no lack of anything..Beside LCW has to have to be more confidence, and more solid defence when play against LD.This is his key winning in Swiss Open.Congratulation LCW!!

[george@chongwei]

lin dan CAN BE DEFEATED!
lee chong wei prove that yesterday;)
all he need is to change his game plan when playing against lin dan..;)
because lin dan style of play is completely different from other player;)

[madbad]

Beating LD in the SO is a good start. Only with consistency will LCW be mentioned in the same breath as LD

[george@chongwei]

But according to some here as long as chants of Malaysia Boleh is heard loud and clear in the hall, it is already priceless. Their consolation is that support, cheering, feet stomping and chest thumping are all more important than winning titles. And coupled with other empty rhetorics (excuses to me) that LD had an easier route to the final, was more calm because he had the 1st game and etc, I think what we are seeing is some Malaysia Boleh withdrawal syndrome.
yep, as long as the chants of malaysia boleh is loud and clear enough to the whole world to hear, sometimes, we just can see the effect/results;)

[cooler]

yep, as long as the chants of malaysia boleh is loud and clear enough to the whole world to hear, sometimes, we just can see the effect/results;)i guess lcw solved his problem. case close. Thread discussion no longer needed.

[limsy]

U will see LD using his 5 and 6 gears again in the next WC.


i guess lcw solved his problem. case close. Thread discussion no longer needed.

how can....read tat post....tat i quote....but...eh...why same ppl???:eek:....

[cooler]

how can....read tat post....tat i quote....but...eh...why same ppl???:eek:....
LD transmission problem is not lcw's problem.

[kwun]

Beating LD in the SO is a good start. Only with consistency will LCW be mentioned in the same breath as LD

agree.

history can tell us.

in the 90's. Ricky/Rexy and Yap Kim Hock / Cheah Soon Kit were mostly frequently the #1 and #2. Cheah/Yap ends up #2 most of the time just trailing Ricky/Rexy. now a decade later, Ricky/Rexy are regarded as one of the all time great in MD while Cheah/Yap was never seen that way.

hopefully LCW will start consistently winning some titles, then the rest of the world will remember him as a great player a decade or two later.

[limsy]

LD transmission problem is not lcw's problem.

but...this thread will need to find out how to deal with lindan GEAR 5 AND 6

[george@chongwei]

so now, what lee chong wei lacks some more?
i had to say 'Consistency';)

[badMania]

so now, what lee chong wei lacks some more?
i had to say 'Consistency';)

Indeed....and to think that this comes from a Super-Duper Boleh-fan like our george here ;) Give LCW and Koo/Tan a break as they deserve the victories yesterday!

[koo_fan]

Beating LD in the SO is a good start. Only with consistency will LCW be mentioned in the same breath as LD
Yeah.
After Olympic, i don't think he's confident that he can beat that lin dan anymore.
Guess Swiss shud be a start. A good start. Keep on believing Chong Wei!

[george@chongwei]

Indeed....and to think that this comes from a Super-Duper Boleh-fan like our george here ;) Give LCW and Koo/Tan a break as they deserve the victories yesterday!
wow, super-duper boleh fan??:eek:

[joelabb]

LCW training videos I found from YouTube :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuShfAhfDdE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stpxeCIdWzw

[george@chongwei]

LCW training videos I found from YouTube :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuShfAhfDdE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stpxeCIdWzw
this has been already been posted on the forum quite some time ago.
anyway, its great to watch this video again:)

[joelabb]

this has been already been posted on the forum quite some time ago.
anyway, its great to watch this video again:)

Ya I thought so :) but maybe some never watch it before people like me :D

[george@chongwei]

Ya I thought so :) but maybe some never watch it before people like me :D
lee chong wei warming up before the final match;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dssMgNtEZoo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC9M6...e=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC9M6GRdlKc&feature=channel_page)

[AlanY]

agree.

history can tell us.

in the 90's. Ricky/Rexy and Yap Kim Hock / Cheah Soon Kit were mostly frequently the #1 and #2. Cheah/Yap ends up #2 most of the time just trailing Ricky/Rexy. now a decade later, Ricky/Rexy are regarded as one of the all time great in MD while Cheah/Yap was never seen that way.

hopefully LCW will start consistently winning some titles, then the rest of the world will remember him as a great player a decade or two later.
in 4 years time people will remember that the 2008 Olympics MS champion is LD. will people also remember the 2009 SO winner is LCW? That will be really sad if people can as the only reason probably will be 'that' was the 'only' one!

[joelabb]

lee chong wei warming up before the final match;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dssMgNtEZoo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC9M6...e=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC9M6GRdlKc&feature=channel_page)

george@chongwei TQ :)

[george@chongwei]

george@chongwei TQ :)
you are the most welcome:)

[oonyz]

Let me explain a few things LCW need to work on.He is a good player.The difference is

1)he needs to build up his mental strength and not be afraid to go to war with
Lin Dan(that means putting your life on the line and fighting Lin Dan like a
man)
2) Misbun told me this when I went to Juara Stadium recently because I did
an interview with him,he said Lin Dan constantly changes his tactics and
strategies in a game that's why no coaching in the match will work because
he changes his style all the time.Misbun has been working with LCW on this.
3) LCW has the skills,technique and footwork but he needs good sparring
partner so that he can apply various strategies in a tournament according
to how the opponent plays.

Basically high level badminton is all about tactics,strategies when the skill level,technique and footwork are of equal standard between 2 players.

At the moment,LCW runs out of ideas when facing LD,he needs to adopt at least 10 different strategies and tactics and vary them when the situation arises because LD changes his style during a game all the time so no amount of analyzing will work.:o

[cooler]

Let me explain a few things LCW need to work on.He is a good player.The difference is

1)he needs to build up his mental strength and not be afraid to go to war with
Lin Dan(that means putting your life on the line and fighting Lin Dan like a
man)
2) Misbun told me this when I went to Juara Stadium recently because I did
an interview with him,he said Lin Dan constantly changes his tactics and
strategies in a game that's why no coaching in the match will work because
he changes his style all the time.Misbun has been working with LCW on this.
3) LCW has the skills,technique and footwork but he needs good sparring
partner so that he can apply various strategies in a tournament according
to how the opponent plays.

Basically high level badminton is all about tactics,strategies when the skill level,technique and footwork are of equal standard between 2 players.

At the moment,LCW runs out of ideas when facing LD,he needs to adopt at least 10 different strategies and tactics and vary them when the situation arises because LD changes his style during a game all the time so no amount of analyzing will work.:o
that's why i've referenced bruce lee here many times before. He learned all the fighting styles so he would have options in real fighting. All techinques and tactics have inherent strength and weakness. If u learned all of them, one can use and avoid certain technique and tactic for any given situation and opponents, assuming your opponent is more rigid in style than u.

on point #3, it seem it's malayisa who is failing lcw as he has no useable sparring partners to train with but yet ask lcw to be the best.

[oonyz]

that's why i've referenced bruce lee here many times before. He learned all the fighting styles so he would have options in real fighting. All techinques and tactics have inherent strength and weakness. If u learned all of them, one can use and avoid certain technique and tactic for any given situation and opponents, assuming your opponent is more rigid in style than u.

on point #3, it seem it's malayisa who is failing lcw as he has no useable sparring partners to train with but yet ask lcw to be the best.


Yes,on #3,for example,LD spars with Chen Jin,Du Pengyu,Chen Long,Bao Chunlai.....not to mention Xiaxuanze and many other retired players like Jixinpeng,Chen Long,etc...lists goes on........all this players possess different strengths and weaknesses,therefore Lin Dan has basically mastered the art of tactic and strategy variation during a game in any given situation,for example, you are a robber and you try to escape from police, if you have 100 escape routes,no police will be able to catch you,if they do it will take a lifetime.Therefore LD always bails out of jail(good example AE2010 1st set).If LCW masters this art,LD's invincibility will be kaput as they say.From now until 2012 Olympics,this period will give us a clear picture whether LCW has matured in this area of his game.So far judging from KO and especially MAS Open,he has managed to bail himself out using a certain degree of tactical variation.AE 2010 will see how close he can give LD a fight.Hopefully he can at least push to 3 sets.:o......
FYI,that's why he is requesting the BAM to allow him to participate in the china badminton league so that he will get quality sparring partners as Chen Jin,Lin Dan and others will be there as well.He might have trained himself with the various tactics and strategies but no chance for him to apply it pratically because of low quality sparring.:o