How to beat Lin Dan? Advice to Lee CW

[Loh]

If Misbun Sidek and his brother Rashid are the magicians you make them out to be, how come they haven't been able to propel anyone else to the top, much less to a title? :rolleyes:

How come these 'different ideas' aren't translating to at least minimal success in say, Kuan Beng Hong's case?

How about Wong Mew Choo?

She has had the benefit of learning from not just the two coaches but also from Lee Chong Wei - the World Number One. However, despite these so-called 'different ideas', her showing at Beijing was pathetic, to say the least!

I'd say Misbun and Rashid are riding Lee Chong Wei's natural talent for this sport. They should be happy that they have a ward like him - a natural athlete with explosive motor skills, a quick brain and a tremendously pliant physique. Granted that Misbun is very observant - but then so is any good coach.

Had Chong Wei not been passed on to them from Li Mao, the Sideks would have faded into professional oblivion a long time ago :o

Well said and I can't agree more! :)

[OneToughBirdie]

Well said and I can't agree more! :)
I second you Loh...also, LCW is very dedicated and diligent, much like LD does too.

[X Ball]

If Misbun Sidek and his brother Rashid are the magicians you make them out to be, how come they haven't been able to propel anyone else to the top, much less to a title? :rolleyes:

Well nobody said they are magicians but they are good and results are normally not dependent on the coaches only, as you will agree. But results will come when all the factors are right. You may say there are no major titles but there are SS titles, which to me indicates the players are achieving (compare this to countries wishing they could just win a SS title or two). If there is no progress on the part of the coaches, do you think LCW will be standing there with the SWISS OPEN title today ?

How come these 'different ideas' aren't translating to at least minimal success in say, Kuan Beng Hong's case?

Again, you tend to think every player will naturally win with a good coach - well, tell me why with Morten Frost as coach of the Denmark team (and I rate him to be a very good coach), his players are really not going anywhere fast.

How about Wong Mew Choo?

She has had the benefit of learning from not just the two coaches but also from Lee Chong Wei - the World Number One. However, despite these so-called 'different ideas', her showing at Beijing was pathetic, to say the least!

Again, the same old argument as above - not everyone has the same mentality or strength of character to be winners. She had a good CO win - and then got besetted by injuries (very injury prone). You may want to ask why BAO CL is still not winning big titles since they have great (world class) coaches. Do I get my point across now ?

I'd say Misbun and Rashid are riding Lee Chong Wei's natural talent for this sport. They should be happy that they have a ward like him - a natural athlete with explosive motor skills, a quick brain and a tremendously pliant physique. Granted that Misbun is very observant - but then so is any good coach.

Had Chong Wei not been passed on to them from Li Mao, the Sideks would have faded into professional oblivion a long time ago :o

Ah, but if you have heard the reasons why LCW went to Misbun in the first place, then you would have known LCW place a lot of respect for Misbun's technigues. LCW never got going fully with Li Mao, even though Li Mao is considered a great coach. If Misbun is not a great coach, then I think even a great player may not be able to climb the heights that that LCW has achieved (e.g. when he was with Li Mao). So, really, you cannot say LCW did not have a great coach nor can you say Misbun is nothing if LCW is not his great player.

[Oldhand]

If Misbun Sidek and his brother Rashid are the magicians you make them out to be, how come they haven't been able to propel anyone else to the top, much less to a title?


Well nobody said they are magicians but they are good and results are normally not dependent on the coaches only, as you will agree. But results will come when all the factors are right. You may say there are no major titles but there are SS titles, which to me indicates the players are achieving (compare this to countries wishing they could just win a SS title or two). If there is no progress on the part of the coaches, do you think LCW will be standing there with the SWISS OPEN title today ?

You are (again) harping on Lee Chong Wei.
I suggest you go back and re-read my opening.
And please pay particular attention to the blued phrase :o


How come these 'different ideas' aren't translating to at least minimal success in say, Kuan Beng Hong's case?


Again, you tend to think every player will naturally win with a good coach - well, tell me why with Morten Frost as coach of the Denmark team (and I rate him to be a very good coach), his players are really not going anywhere fast.

This is a bizarre response!
You are ascribing to me the very thinking that I don't agree with :o

Since you didn't get it, let me make it clear:
I don't think every player will naturally win with a good coach.

And that leaves the question 'Is Misbun Sidek this wonderful coach he is being made out to be?" still unanswered ;)


How about Wong Mew Choo?

She has had the benefit of learning from not just the two coaches but also from Lee Chong Wei - the World Number One. However, despite these so-called 'different ideas', her showing at Beijing was pathetic, to say the least!


Again, the same old argument as above - not everyone has the same mentality or strength of character to be winners. She had a good CO win - and then got besetted by injuries (very injury prone). You may want to ask why BAO CL is still not winning big titles since they have great (world class) coaches. Do I get my point across now ?

The blued portion simply reiterates what I encapsulated in the previous post.

Misbun (and his retinue) is lucky to have Lee Chong Wei on his business card.
Had it been, say, Lee Feng Wei or Tan Chong Wei or Lee Chong Fei, Misbun wouldn't be among the Datuks, much less in the spotlight.

Er, it would also help if you wouldn't attempt to sidetrack the argument.
I don't remember having made any pretentious claim about either Bao Chunlai or anyone that has been attending to his career :p


I'd say Misbun and Rashid are riding Lee Chong Wei's natural talent for this sport. They should be happy that they have a ward like him - a natural athlete with explosive motor skills, a quick brain and a tremendously pliant physique. Granted that Misbun is very observant - but then so is any good coach.

Had Chong Wei not been passed on to them from Li Mao, the Sideks would have faded into professional oblivion a long time ago :o


Ah, but if you have heard the reasons why LCW went to Misbun in the first place, then you would have known LCW place a lot of respect for Misbun's technigues. LCW never got going fully with Li Mao, even though Li Mao is considered a great coach. If Misbun is not a great coach, then I think even a great player may not be able to climb the heights that that LCW has achieved (e.g. when he was with Li Mao). So, really, you cannot say LCW did not have a great coach nor can you say Misbun is nothing if LCW is not his great player.

Allow me to put it this way about Lee Chong Wei:

Morten Frost spotted the ingredients.
Li Mao prepared the feast.
Misbun served the food.

And now look who's getting all the credit! ;)

[jaydee]

I think Misbun is cool and does not put unnecessary pressure into LCW..
When LCW is pressured, he can't play well. We all can see that... So don't say Misbun is not good for LCW if he can play at his best now. So I think he's alright. We specifically tell which coach is good for which player right?...

Its like different coaches have different ways of coaching/ tactic etc...
Eg : Just like I see some of you here is good in bullsh***ing and condemning... and I also see we have some others are good while talking about facts and giving constructive comments etc... but nobody is totally wrong as you guys have your own ideas & opinion.... :D

[eaglehelang]

Allow me to put it this way about Lee Chong Wei:

Morten Frost spotted the ingredients.
Li Mao prepared the feast.
Misbun served the food.

And now look who's getting all the credit! ;)

Btw ah, these points (& the ones in the posts before that) also argued for some time in Prof Players thread, about who is better coach for LCW - Li Mao or Misbun.

Errrr, Oldhand ah, maybe you forgot Misbun coached LCW in his junior days. BEFORE Li Mao was hired by BAM. Li Mao was only around 2 years, who you all think coached LCW before that?

After all the different opinions, Misbun good coach kah, so so coach kah, LCW clicks better with Misbun, really2 looks up to Misbun, that kinda trust & understanding is important.

[Oldhand]

I think Misbun is cool and does not put unnecessary pressure into LCW..
When LCW is pressured, he can't play well. We all can see that... So don't say Misbun is not good for LCW if he can play at his best now. So I think he's alright. We specifically tell which coach is good for which player right?...

Its like different coaches have different ways of coaching/ tactic etc...
Eg : Just like I see some of you here is good in bullsh***ing and condemning... and I also see we have some others are good while talking about facts and giving constructive comments etc... but nobody is totally wrong as you guys have your own ideas & opinion.... :D
Er, where did you see any such statement? :eek:

A debate is pointless if one side can't grasp the issue.
I retire from this thread and its topic :o

[jaydee]

Er, where did you see any such statement? :eek:

A debate is pointless if one side can't grasp the issue.
I retire from this thread and its topic :o

Errrr.... Its not you mate... :) (I don't think I read your post too long! lol)
Just saw a few other comments up there that kinda show abit of dissatisfaction with Misbun Sidek. So just stating my opinion. Thats about it.. :rolleyes:

[X Ball]

You are (again) harping on Lee Chong Wei.
I suggest you go back and re-read my opening.
And please pay particular attention to the blued phrase :o



This is a bizarre response!
You are ascribing to me the very thinking that I don't agree with :o

Since you didn't get it, let me make it clear:
I don't think every player will naturally win with a good coach.

And that leaves the question 'Is Misbun Sidek this wonderful coach he is being made out to be?" still unanswered ;)



The blued portion simply reiterates what I encapsulated in the previous post.

Misbun (and his retinue) is lucky to have Lee Chong Wei on his business card.
Had it been, say, Lee Feng Wei or Tan Chong Wei or Lee Chong Fei, Misbun wouldn't be among the Datuks, much less in the spotlight.

Er, it would also help if you wouldn't attempt to sidetrack the argument.
I don't remember having made any pretentious claim about either Bao Chunlai or anyone that has been attending to his career :p





Allow me to put it this way about Lee Chong Wei:

Morten Frost spotted the ingredients.
Li Mao prepared the feast.
Misbun served the food.

And now look who's getting all the credit! ;)

You missed my arguments completely -- I was trying to tell you LCW would not have got to where he is (even without the major titles) without Misbun. As contradicting as it may be, Misbun would not have succeeded without LCW. In other words, they are good for each other (horses for courses). So if you argue that Misbun would not have got his datukship if it was not due to LCW's success, I totally disagree.

And lastly, Misbun may have served the food but Li Mao and Morten ate it - who is getting the credit ?

[eaglehelang]

If Misbun Sidek and his brother Rashid are the magicians you make them out to be, how come they haven't been able to propel anyone else to the top, much less to a title? :rolleyes:

How come these 'different ideas' aren't translating to at least minimal success in say, Kuan Beng Hong's case?

How about Wong Mew Choo?

She has had the benefit of learning from not just the two coaches but also from Lee Chong Wei - the World Number One. However, despite these so-called 'different ideas', her showing at Beijing was pathetic, to say the least!

I'd say Misbun and Rashid are riding Lee Chong Wei's natural talent for this sport. They should be happy that they have a ward like him - a natural athlete with explosive motor skills, a quick brain and a tremendously pliant physique. Granted that Misbun is very observant - but then so is any good coach.

Had Chong Wei not been passed on to them from Li Mao, the Sideks would have faded into professional oblivion a long time ago :o

1) I did not at any point said Misbun & Rashid are magicians. Rashid Sidek has just been promoted to chief singles, end of 2008.
In my earlier post, I did say, LCW was declining a few months bf LM left. I've also said bf, it's not LM not good, LM's good to improve certain aspects of LCW's play as discussed in earlier posts & in Prof Players thread.

2) As for titles, wHo did you think was yoyo Hafiz's coach when he won AE 2003? AFter that, well, he got lazy and now has the nickname Yoyo. Misbun also giving up on HH :p

3) Again you misunderstood (sigh, why so often happen when you read my posts)- "Different ideas" part - KBH trains under Misbun all the while, not Rashid. KBH has that mental block from the TC 2006 lost. Other members have also commented on this "rashid sidek" factor, why you didnt comment on their post ?
Rashid SIdek just being promoted to chief singles coach lah.

Rashid has been/currently trains the 4 elit back up MS players. Rashid was chief back up squad, Project 2010-2012, not senior squad. Yap Kim Hock was overall coach until 2008 OG.

3) As everyone knows, WMC is injury prone. It has hampered her in her baddy career ->injured, rehabilation, start again to make comeback. When she was training under Li Mao , also not so good, personally I find LM's approach at court side too demorilizing (for those who remember).
After Li Mao left, she (& WCH) trained under Wong Tat Meng. It was under WTM's tutelage, she won CO 2007.

BUT WMC requested to train under Misbun a couple of months before OG 2008. She also trained before under Misbun. As to why she wanted to change from WTM to her old sifu Misbun just a few short months bf OG, well, her official reason was she wanted to be fitter physically.

So, both coach & player play a part. LCW clicks very well with Misbun, as is obvious. And again repeat, LCW trained with Misbun in his younger days, bf LM came on board, that was why i put in the reply to AlanY, old sifu Misbun, went back to old coach.

I dont want to explain so long, many points have been discussed before. If one knows the background & latest development, wouldnt misunderstand.:p:p And please ah, dont ask again why this, why that, then misunderstand again, I have to reply long2 again, hehe ;):D:D

[X Ball]

1) I did not at any point said Misbun & Rashid are magicians. Rashid Sidek has just been promoted to chief singles, end of 2008.
In my earlier post, I did say, LCW was declining a few months bf LM left. I've also said bf, it's not LM not good, LM's good to improve certain aspects of LCW's play as discussed in earlier posts & in Prof Players thread.

2) As for titles, wHo did you think was yoyo Hafiz's coach when he won AE 2003? AFter that, well, he got lazy and now has the nickname Yoyo. Misbun also giving up on HH :p

3) Again you misunderstood (sigh, why so often happen when you read my posts)- "Different ideas" part - KBH trains under Misbun all the while, not Rashid. KBH has that mental block from the TC 2006 lost. Other members have also commented on this "rashid sidek" factor, why you didnt comment on their post ?
Rashid SIdek just being promoted to chief singles coach lah.

Rashid has been/currently trains the 4 elit back up MS players. Rashid was chief back up squad, Project 2010-2012, not senior squad. Yap Kim Hock was overall coach until 2008 OG.

3) As everyone knows, WMC is injury prone. It has hampered her in her baddy career ->injured, rehabilation, start again to make comeback. When she was training under Li Mao , also not so good, personally I find LM's approach at court side too demorilizing (for those who remember).
After Li Mao left, she (& WCH) trained under Wong Tat Meng. It was under WTM's tutelage, she won CO 2007.

BUT WMC requested to train under Misbun a couple of months before OG 2008. She also trained before under Misbun. As to why she wanted to change from WTM to her old sifu Misbun just a few short months bf OG, well, her official reason was she wanted to be fitter physically.

So, both coach & player play a part. LCW clicks very well with Misbun, as is obvious. And again repeat, LCW trained with Misbun in his younger days, bf LM came on board, that was why i put in the reply to AlanY, old sifu Misbun, went back to old coach.

I dont want to explain so long, many points have been discussed before. If one knows the background & latest development, wouldnt misunderstand.:p:p And please ah, dont ask again why this, why that, then misunderstand again, I have to reply long2 again, hehe ;):D:D


Well I understood. Oldhand might not.:)

[Dr. Evil]

No matter how good a coach is, if the player him/her self sucks, there is nothing much the coach can do. But a good coach can bring out the potential of a good player ala motivation, correct training etc. LCW maybe Misbun must obvious success but lets not forget that Misbun manage to guide the Jaguh kampung to win a bronze medal in the 96 Olympic.......... by overcoming his boggieman Heryanto Arbi.

I not saying Misbun is the greatest there is out there but he is certainly is a quality coach

[george@chongwei]

oldhand oh oldhand:(

[Athelete1234]

LCW only came back into the spotlight as one of the top 2 players again in the world after LM retired....and Misbun came back (starting at INA open 2007).

[Amin Khalili]

Lin Dan has always had problems facing unfamiliar styles of play (or, let's say, unfamiliar players) :)

Ronald Susilo threw him out of the 2004 Athens Olympics, Anup Sridhar nearly did him in at the 2008 All England and then at the World Championships, Park Sung-hwan was a big thorn-in-LD's-side last year... and now, Arvind Bhat gave him the heebie-jeebies.

However, none of these players has survived further meetings.
(Remember Lin Dan's rather nonchalant dismissal of PSH at Beijing?)

Perhaps Indonesia and Malaysia should spring a new player on Lin Dan.
That would get him - at least temporarily ;)

In fact, Indonesia had such a scheme of suddenly launching a new player at the All England or Thomas Cup competitions. Rudy Hartono, Liem Swie King, Taufik Hidayat and Sony Dwi Kuncoro were among these 'surprise' launches.

My friend said that china strategy number ..... (i dont remember all that) are to lose on the first match/point to anylize the openent game so they can win in other point/match .....

[Amin Khalili]

No doubt that at this point of time, Lin Dan has improved remarkably since winning the Olympic. His net play is tight, more variability in his offense and defense, able to adapt both slow and fast paste quickly, lightning fast footwork (able to do a straight leap to make a smash without making any footwork and seems to be "walking" to cover his court) and importantly he is more patient in his game play now. But then, he is still human and can be beaten.

So, from my personal opinion, this are the area that our beloved Datuk Lee Chong Wei needs to focus his preparation in order to beat this human name Lin Dan:

1. Mental

Problem: ? to much respect, ? satisfied as 2nd best to Lin Dan, ? inferiority
Effects: Mental block before and during game play causes inability to translate strategy into proper physical action during game play that leads to frequent mistakes, poor shuttlecock placing judgment, easy to retrieve shots by opponent and sluggish footwork.
Solution: Datuk LCW can get any Mental Trainee / Psychologist or whatever professional individual that has specialty in the field of mental studies provided by BAM but then none of them would be a benefit for him if Datuk LCW doesn't has a VERY strong self believe in beating Lin Dan. Datuk LCW needs to get out from his own nutshell of "feeling that it is probably that i will loose" kind of mental attitude or otherwise his loosing streak will continue. The greatest supporter doesn't comes from those thousand of fans cheering his name, but it is actually his own self believe of making the impossible, possible.

2. Go for Lin Dan backhand

No doubt, Lin Dan fast footwork has made his backhand less usable as his overhead shots will always take over the duty to cover his backhand. But clearly in most match where the shuttle ended in his backhand, the possibilty to gain points or advantage to gain points is greater.

3. Wear him out

I don't know from you guys but i would say that Datuk LCW is the fittest badminton player currently exist. So why not drag him to a style of gameplay that require a lot of court coverage and long tempo in order to wear him out that hopefully and maybe can eventually leads to an advantage to Datuk LCW.

4. Play with him regularly........if possible:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

As in ancient war philosophy says.." if you can't beat your enemy, than join your enemy.....in which you can beat him eventually from the inside". So my advice to Datuk LCW....do a research where Lin Dan lives, buy a house near to his house, prepare your passport, buy an Airasia or MAS ticket, Hug Datuk Misbun and go to China and stay there and train with Lin Dan until you can join the China B.A or obtained a P.R there....then after that come back to Malaysia (...maybe after 10 years:cool:)...play back for BAM and then beat him after all of those hard working years training with him............................................... ..........:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:Dsorry just joking..........what do i meant is that if BAM can organize a frequent friendly match between Datuk LCW and LD......hmmmmm.....that can be a platform for him to analyze even better how to beat LD..........Why not.........

Beat the enemy from inside ...
Thats why LCW force LD to play rally on the last swiss open ....
LCW really want to win that time since Misbun accompany his wife on the operation...

[extremenanopowe]

enjoy fren. when someone wins its normal to give credits, like wise if someone looses. ;) Just smack it. ;)

[koo_fan]

enjoy fren. when someone wins its normal to give credits, like wise if someone looses. ;) Just smack it. ;)
That is how it goes.

[Dr. Evil]

I think the reason why LCW is seems so fit is because he uses less energy to move himself around court due to his superior thin frame.

Don't get me wrong, he work his ass off in training and is probably more than 10 times fitter than me but I believe that is what give him advantages over other player. Of course there are trade off, such as he cannot smash as powerful as some of the heavy weight........ like Chen Yu.

[OneToughBirdie]

Allow me to put it this way about Lee Chong Wei:

Morten Frost spotted the ingredients.
Li Mao prepared the feast.
Misbun served the food.

And now look who's getting all the credit! ;)

LCW is probably one of the best player that MAS has produced in my opinion, a natural talent that any coach would love to have. While I concur Oldhand previous post on Misbun has merit, but given LCW plays better with less public pressure, Misbun cool and 'tidak apa' style probably suits LCW best. As Jaydee said 'when LCW is pressured, he can't play well'.
Oldhand's post above should also mention LCW's parent met and produced LCW, bought him a racket and play biride and the rest is history:D:p

[Pemuda]

LCW is probably one of the best player that MAS has produced in my opinion, a natural talent that any coach would love to have. While I concur Oldhand previous post on Misbun has merit, but given LCW plays better with less public pressure, Misbun cool and 'tidak apa' style probably suits LCW best. As Jaydee said 'when LCW is pressured, he can't play well'.
Oldhand's post above should also mention LCW's parent met and produced LCW, bought him a racket and play biride and the rest is history:D:p

Bro, what about Eddy Choong, Tan Aik Huang, Ng Boon Bee?

Yes, I agree LCW's parents are the ones who developed LCW, not BAM or its coaches. Just like Nicol Davids, it was her parents who developed and groomed her to what she is today, not the national squash body or NSC. In Malaysia, when it comes to developing world class athletes, the parents are the ones.

[Pemuda]

If Misbun Sidek and his brother Rashid are the magicians you make them out to be, how come they haven't been able to propel anyone else to the top, much less to a title? :rolleyes:

How come these 'different ideas' aren't translating to at least minimal success in say, Kuan Beng Hong's case?

How about Wong Mew Choo?

She has had the benefit of learning from not just the two coaches but also from Lee Chong Wei - the World Number One. However, despite these so-called 'different ideas', her showing at Beijing was pathetic, to say the least!

I'd say Misbun and Rashid are riding Lee Chong Wei's natural talent for this sport. They should be happy that they have a ward like him - a natural athlete with explosive motor skills, a quick brain and a tremendously pliant physique. Granted that Misbun is very observant - but then so is any good coach.

Had Chong Wei not been passed on to them from Li Mao, the Sideks would have faded into professional oblivion a long time ago :o

You hit it right on the dot.

To say that it was the Sideks who groomed LCW in what he is today is very comical.

[OneToughBirdie]

Bro, what about Eddy Choong, Tan Aik Huang, Ng Boon Bee?

Yes, I agree LCW's parents are the ones who developed LCW, not BAM or its coaches. Just like Nicol Davids, it was her parents who developed and groomed her to what she is today, not the national squash body or NSC. In Malaysia, when it comes to developing world class athletes, the parents are the ones.

Actually, you are right...the above 3 did achieve the majors that Dato has yet to win...it was my oversight when posting...LCW playing style is entertaining and so was Tan Aik Huang whose strokes and technics during that era was just as fascinating amd whom I had watched so many times in Stadium Negara and in SBA Hall in Kampung Atap when I was a young lad, and that was many seasons ago. Not to take anything away from Rudy, Tan Aik Huang who has asthma problem would have done quite well if not for Rudy dominating during that era. Eddy, well was way beyond my times.:D:p

[koo_fan]

Oldhand's post above should also mention LCW's parent met and produced LCW, bought him a racket and play biride and the rest is history:D:p

This one, is undebatable.
All we are saying is Misbun is entitled to LCW's won, each time.
Merely because he's his coach. We did the same to other coaches, why it must be different when it come to Misbun?

[Dr. Evil]

This one, is undebatable.
All we are saying is Misbun is entitled to LCW's won, each time.
Merely because he's his coach. We did the same to other coaches, why it must be different when it come to Misbun?

Simple cause to some people, anything associate with Malaysia = instant phailure. I mean lets take a look at the comment around.

LCW = pretender, can't win big title, jaguh kampung etc
Misbun = taking credit from other people achievement, no other success story.
Yap Kim Hock = fired his ass. the sooner, the better.
KKK/TBH = Hafiz's succesor

And the list goes on.

[limsy]

Simple cause to some people, anything associate with Malaysia = instant phailure. I mean lets take a look at the comment around.

LCW =jaguh kampung
KKK/TBH = Hafiz's succesor


erm...he cannot say so anymore...bcz lcw sumbat the swiss open title into his mouth...:rolleyes:...

kkk/tbh no longer = hafiz....wr and titles different...;)

[Dr. Evil]

erm...he cannot say so anymore...bcz lcw sumbat the swiss open title into his mouth...:rolleyes:...

kkk/tbh no longer = hafiz....wr and titles different...;)

Makes no different. Jaguh Kampung mean you can only win titles that are held in Malaysia. Chong Wei already won Demark open in 04, Swiss in 06, France, Japan and Indonesia in 07 but was still label Jaguh Kamapung. So winning the Swiss 09 makes no different cause he a Malaysian

[limsy]

Makes no different. Jaguh Kampung mean you can only win titles that are held in Malaysia. Chong Wei already won Demark open in 04, Swiss in 06, France, Japan and Indonesia in 07 but was still label Jaguh Kamapung. So winning the Swiss 09 makes no different cause he a Malaysian

aiya...say liao....he set the standard and tot he is the rules...;)...he always tot the sky is smaller than where he stay....

anyway...to stick with the topic....my advice is....lcw must clever than ld...;)

[jasonmarc]

Makes no different. Jaguh Kampung mean you can only win titles that are held in Malaysia. Chong Wei already won Demark open in 04, Swiss in 06, France, Japan and Indonesia in 07 but was still label Jaguh Kamapung. So winning the Swiss 09 makes no different cause he a Malaysian

This is the problem, When LCW didnt wins title out side Malaysia, they labelled him as 'Jaguh Kampung'.....:)

After LCW won severals titles out side Malaysia, they still want to labelled him as 'Jaguh Kampung' given reasons like never won title out side Malaysia being WR No. 1........:rolleyes:

And now LCW had won title out side Malaysia as WR No. 1 player,....maybe they will call him 'Jaguh Kampung' because LCW never won Major Title as WR No. 1 beside won SSM in KK............;)

and this will never end.....and this also will only make LCW a better player in future as he always have higher targets to achieve...........:p:p:p

[JWhue]

Sometimes perceptions are hard to change. Anyway, patience is a key in beating Lin Dan. Being smart as limsy is another key too.

[george@chongwei]

Makes no different. Jaguh Kampung mean you can only win titles that are held in Malaysia. Chong Wei already won Demark open in 04, Swiss in 06, France, Japan and Indonesia in 07 but was still label Jaguh Kamapung. So winning the Swiss 09 makes no different cause he a Malaysian
1 thing always came to my mind out of my curiosity, is he actually a malaysian?;):rolleyes:

[Dr. Evil]

1 thing always came to my mind out of my curiosity, is he actually a malaysian?;):rolleyes:

Can't understand what you are trying to imply

[eaglehelang]

............................

and this will never end.....and this also will only make LCW a better player in future as he always have higher targets to achieve...........:p:p:p

Correct also, if LCW ever wins WC, then it's he never win OG Gold, or AE or AG, the list goes on. Sounds familiar? :D:p

[koo_fan]

Correct also, if LCW ever wins WC, then it's he never win OG Gold, or AE or AG, the list goes on. Sounds familiar? :D:p
I think the list will goes on until LCW announce his retirement officially.

Each of his moves will be accompanied with expectations.
We just have to be fair to him. Recognize his effort. Coz he really work for it.

[limsy]

and this will never end.....and this also will only make LCW a better player in future as he always have higher targets to achieve...........:p:p:p


Correct also, if LCW ever wins WC, then it's he never win OG Gold, or AE or AG, the list goes on. Sounds familiar? :D:p


I think the list will goes on until LCW announce his retirement officially.

Each of his moves will be accompanied with expectations.
We just have to be fair to him. Recognize his effort. Coz he really work for it.

aiya...koo_fan...dont u get it????we are implying he is the biggest lcw fans...motivate lcw with different ways....:p;)

[limsy]

Being smart as limsy is another key too.

WAH....:eek:....how can i overlook this post????if lcw just AS SMART AS ME...i dont think he can acheive so much in badminton lar...he must be clever than me...and must be clever than lindan...then just he can have major breaktru....he should replay the video of both final....and try to get what ld doing...;)....then just he can avoid from another surprise one sided defeat to lindan...:)

[JWhue]

Being smart as limsy is another key too.

Sorry correction. Being smart as limsy said is another key. Yeah LCW should replay the video too. Lin Dan is not unbeatable.

[koo_fan]

aiya...koo_fan...dont u get it????we are implying he is the biggest lcw fans...motivate lcw with different ways....:p;)
Aduh, limsy. I don't have any problem with different ways to show support, basically.

My only problem is when they overdid it.

[george@chongwei]

Correct also, if LCW ever wins WC, then it's he never win OG Gold, or AE or AG, the list goes on. Sounds familiar? :D:p
of course sounds very very familiar;)

[george@chongwei]

Can't understand what you are trying to imply
as eaglehelang saod, the list will always goes on too no matter what.
look at post# 283:D:D

[Pemuda]

I think the list will goes on until LCW announce his retirement officially.

Each of his moves will be accompanied with expectations.
We just have to be fair to him. Recognize his effort. Coz he really work for it.

Yang, I think you & the rest of the Boleh squad are getting ahead of yourselves. LCW should win the WC first.

.

[jasonmarc]

Yang, I think you & the rest of the Boleh squad are getting ahead of yourselves. LCW should win the WC first.

.

Sure, LCW is surely going to work hard for it, just like any other tournament..:p

[cooler]

Sure, LCW is surely going to work hard for it, just like any other tournament..:pproblem is, so is LD, TH and PG:p

[koo_fan]

problem is, so is LD, TH and PG:p
Yes.
The best win. and it's not always Ld, you know?

[koo_fan]

Yang, I think you & the rest of the Boleh squad are getting ahead of yourselves. LCW should win the WC first.



Tell me which part we are "getting ahead of ourselves" ?
No one's so confident till the day of the game.

[BennettWong]

All these discussions are leading nowhere.

Wait for the next tournament where they meet and then judge for yourself.

[Oldhand]

Now, you can expect someone to start a thread titled:
"How to beat Chen Long? Advice to Lee CW" :cool:

[Deathsticks]

Well i have to say that Chen Jin's way to beat Lin Dan worked in All England 08!
Chen Jin FTW
he even beat LCW in Semi finals

[george@chongwei]

Now, you can expect someone to start a thread titled:
"How to beat Chen Long? Advice to Lee CW" :cool:
lmao, then next time we see soooo many upset again, should we create another thread like that too?:rolleyes:
it's like a trend now already.:rolleyes:

[BennettWong]

IIRC LD has lost in early rounds to unknown opponent before right?

[george@chongwei]

IIRC LD has lost in early rounds to unknown opponent before right?
the most obvious and the most remembered one is OG04, when he lost to ronald susilo in the 1st round;)

[dollielove]

I think that the existence of Misbun made CW feel depression and stress:confused:..it's true..to Misbun, it's not the time to write anymore when your player started to play..especially when he made it into final..for example in this kinda CW-Lin Dan situation..I would like to compare his behaviour to other couches..like the opponent's couch..are they doing the same thing as Misbun did?I mean it's time to give support and encouragement on your players NOT just sit there like a tree-stump! CW beat Lin Dan all by himself without any couching as Lin Dan does! Salute on him!:)

[cooler]

the most obvious and the most remembered one is OG04, when he lost to ronald susilo in the 1st round;)
LD is alot different player now than 4.5 years ago.
Just like TH fans, u guys like to talk about the long past
In badminton 4 yrs or more is a long time. Most don't even last that long.

[george@chongwei]

LD is alot different player now than 4.5 years ago.
Just like TH fans, u guys like to talk about the long past
In badminton 4 yrs or more is a long time. Most don't even last that long.
but that's the most remembered 1st round upset remember by most of the badminton fans;)
its in my note book;)

[cooler]

but that's the most remembered 1st round upset remember by most of the badminton fans;)
its in my note book;)
Yup, lcw can't beat LD, tops and lows:p:p

[eRa@에라]

Yup, lcw can't beat LD, tops and lows:p:p

what's that supposed to mean? I thought he already did, few times...:p

[koo_fan]

Yup, lcw can't beat LD, tops and lows:p:p
Trying to be cool, eh?
You are cool enough, cooler.

[george@chongwei]

Yup, lcw can't beat LD, tops and lows:p:p
chong wei already did beat lin dan few times:p for your info

[Pemuda]

It is amazing that bolehians are still gloating over that SO win. Just amazing!

I hope bolehians find this self satisfying because yes, LCW won that SO by beating LD but look who is keeping the OG gold medal? Who has a few WC titles nicely tucked away?? Who has a string of AE medals in his back pocket? Or who has the most SS titles todate??

Knowing bolehians, big titles dont count. Ok fair enough then ... what about the head to head between LD/LCW?? Who won the most??

Yes, credit to LCW for beating LD in the SO (too bad LCW was unable to do it in the AE ;)) but look what happened in the India Open?? :eek: 'Food poisoning'! Inflight meal served by the airline then followed by food served at a restaurant outside the hotel and coupled with poor match officials. Which is which la???

I know food poisioning is tough when it hits you but I must give credit to LCW for taking CL to 3 sets. It is unbelievable that LCW can last 3 tough sets with food poisoning. Kudos to LCW!!

[Joyous]

Food for thoughts from Pemuda once again.
Funny how the players react when they know they will lose or lost - TH and his 'infamous' walkout & hitting into the net...., LD rather sulks than talk, then we have LCW whose excuses whom you guys have been dwelling with.

[koo_fan]

Food for thoughts from Pemuda once again.
Funny how the players react when they know they will lose or lost - TH and his 'infamous' walkout & hitting into the net...., LD rather sulks than talk, then we have LCW whose excuses whom you guys have been dwelling with.
For LD, sulks and come back stronger, rite?
Don't overdo the sulking ok, you'll be nice.

[jaydee]

It is amazing that bolehians are still gloating over that SO win. Just amazing!

I hope bolehians find this self satisfying because yes, LCW won that SO by beating LD but look who is keeping the OG gold medal? Who has a few WC titles nicely tucked away?? Who has a string of AE medals in his back pocket? Or who has the most SS titles todate??

Knowing bolehians, big titles dont count. Ok fair enough then ... what about the head to head between LD/LCW?? Who won the most??

Yes, credit to LCW for beating LD in the SO (too bad LCW was unable to do it in the AE ;)) but look what happened in the India Open?? :eek: 'Food poisoning'! Inflight meal served by the airline then followed by food served at a restaurant outside the hotel and coupled with poor match officials. Which is which la???

I know food poisioning is tough when it hits you but I must give credit to LCW for taking CL to 3 sets. It is unbelievable that LCW can last 3 tough sets with food poisoning. Kudos to LCW!!

lol.... Then later let Hafiz beat CL.. tsk.... not bad indeed LCW.. respect!! or you can say restecp!! (yes restecp!!) to bring it to 3 games... thats a real sportsman, real hero! :D

[modious]

IIRC LD has lost in early rounds to unknown opponent before right?


the most obvious and the most remembered one is OG04, when he lost to ronald susilo in the 1st round;)

Well I wouldn't exactly classify Ronald Susilo as an unknown.

FYI, Ronald Susilo won the Japan 2004 MS title a few months before the 04 Olympics.

[jaydee]

Well I wouldn't exactly classify Ronald Susilo as an unknown.

FYI, Ronald Susilo won the Japan 2004 MS title a few months before the 04 Olympics.


Err.. who's Ronald Susilo?





Chill mate, just foolin'.. :D

[bradmyster]

Why are people giving either of the professional players crap lol....Lin Dan has performed amazingly over the past years and has turned out 1 of the most successful players of all time. Lee Chong Wei has been fighting hard with countless losses to him. Pressure from the media and his country to finally perform now that he is world #1.

He beat him fair and square with a great performance. Both LCW and LD have my highest respect because they are truly amazing athletes. What does it matter that it was AE and it was SO? Its still a big achievment and its still a good title to take.

Get rid of the childish criticism and show some positive support once in a while.

[pBmMalaysia]

i have started a thread - how to beat ld?

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80533

and hope you guys / gals all here can post just any players other than lcw - it's starting to get boring...

[cooler]

i have started a thread - how to beat ld?

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80533

and hope you guys / gals all here can post just any players other than lcw - it's starting to get boring...we gave our comments, let hear some from u, mr. badminton coach:D



Occupation:
badminton coach

[pBmMalaysia]

we gave our comments, let hear some from u, mr. badminton coach:D



Occupation:
badminton coach

that's true i don't deny that but wonder why i don't see anything in your profile accept you still play with feathers and plastic? :D:D

actually you are very knowledgeable person, very analytical when it comes to professional players' stuff like lcw, pg, th etc without topping the list, ld.

i have read a lot of your posts (it's almost in every forum!) and mind a bit headache though!

but it seems a lot of your post make sense and also logical. i don't know if other bcers agrees with me or not? anyway everybody should give a thumb's up for cooler with over 20,000 posts! :):)

[pBmMalaysia]

to beat ld, the closest rivals is lcw and cj and even if these 2 combined it will not be easy to beat him, if can happen, it would not be a consistent beatings.

ld is one of a kind, very rare in fact and china ba can't find one similar to him yet. he is a smart player and he knows what to train so that he can put them to good use depending on who he meet. that's the reason why he backed out of the recent m.o. 2010.

his game is simple, he can easily toy with his opponent as he can use his hands movement more (control), legs less while his opponent uses everything..

how he does that is purely inside his mind - he is ever ready, his mental is strong and can anticipate faster..all this lie in his training back home! he has already hinted to us!

[cooler]

that's true i don't deny that but wonder why i don't see anything in your profile accept you still play with feathers and plastic? :D:D

actually you are very knowledgeable person, very analytical when it comes to professional players' stuff like lcw, pg, th etc without topping the list, ld.

i have read a lot of your posts (it's almost in every forum!) and mind a bit headache though!

but it seems a lot of your post make sense and also logical. i don't know if other bcers agrees with me or not? anyway everybody should give a thumb's up for cooler with over 20,000 posts! :):)
hehehe, thx for your compliments:)
I'm just a jack of all trades but expert at none:D

I suggest u limit your daily reading intake of my posts, it can be overwhelming and too concentrated for some:p

My occupation is reading emails and hunting rocks, and i did fill in all the input fields.

When i first join bc, i did not know any international pro players, i mean none at all. I have to thanks bf members for educating me on this subject. It took me ~2 years to decide i better learn about them coz i wasn't able to keep up with all the yapping about those pro with funny names:p It's great that u guys understood abbrev. of their names coz i still can't spell 75% of them correctly:D

Canada has no big name badminton heros, therefore i am less emotional about the international ones.:cool:

[pBmMalaysia]

hehehe, thx for your compliments:)
I'm just a jack of all trades but expert at none:D

I suggest u limit your daily reading intake of my posts, it can be overwhelming and too concentrated for some:p

My occupation is reading emails and hunting rocks, and i did fill in all the input fields.

When i first join bc, i did not know any international pro players, i mean none at all. I have to thanks bf members for educating me on this subject. It took me ~2 years to decide i better learn about them coz i wasn't able to keep up with all the yapping about those pro with funny names:p It's great that u guys understood abbrev. of their names coz i still can't spell 75% of them correctly:D

Canada has no big name badminton heros, therefore i am less emotional about the international ones.:cool:

hey, that was a very friendly introduction, are you cooler? just joking!:):)

anyway you have learnt fast and in your post most of them (not all!) are actually good advise or analysis but at times .... ( just file your edges and i am sure everybody loves you!).

we all need to learn even if we are 60. 70 or even 80 and through learning we gain knowledge, correct our mistakes to earn more respect from others ....and last thing we feel happier!;);)

[concretemad]

to beat ld, the closest rivals is lcw and cj and even if these 2 combined it will not be easy to beat him, if can happen, it would not be a consistent beatings.



:eek::eek::eek: you meant it seriously?

[pBmMalaysia]

:eek::eek::eek: you meant it seriously?

what lcw has, cj has but what ld has, lcw & cj don't have..if either one of them has they would have beaten him for the majors!

ld already has a lot of the major winning experience, has the support from audience everywhere, that would motivate him more. beside every player fear of losing to him, fear they can't last long enough, fear ...

like i said he is one of a kind, very rare and he has worked his way up for quite a number of years already...unless he fails in his usual training style he would loose!

the only way any of these 2 players wants to beat him is to stay long enough in the court with him, stay at his pace and has more patience and able to detect change of strategy... :D

[ctjcad]

...but it seems a lot of your post make sense and also logical. i don't know if other bcers agrees with me or not? anyway everybody should give a thumb's up for cooler with over 20,000 posts! :):)
..on that, there's another BC member with over 20,000 posts as well. As a matter of fact, his total is way ahead of cooler...Should we give him 2 thumbs up??..:confused:
*i'll give you a hint, his username starts with the letter "g" and ends with the letter "i".;)

[cooler]

..on that, there's another BC member with over 20,000 posts as well. As a matter of fact, his total is way ahead of cooler...Should we give him 2 thumbs up??..:confused:
*i'll give you a hint, his username starts with the letter "g" and ends with the letter "i".;)
Like LD, i beat him to the punch first:p I try to cut back now:D

[pBmMalaysia]

..on that, there's another BC member with over 20,000 posts as well. As a matter of fact, his total is way ahead of cooler...Should we give him 2 thumbs up??..:confused:
*i'll give you a hint, his username starts with the letter "g" and ends with the letter "i".;)

let me check it out first and if i think he/she deserves another thumb(s) up i will let you know or if he/she deserves my toes up, i will also let you know..:D:D

[pBmMalaysia]

..on that, there's another BC member with over 20,000 posts as well. As a matter of fact, his total is way ahead of cooler...Should we give him 2 thumbs up??..:confused:
*i'll give you a hint, his username starts with the letter "g" and ends with the letter "i".;)

he's george@chongwei! took me a while to find him! he should deserves the thumbs up! ;)

[ctjcad]

..http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif?!?!..:confused:

[madbad]

How to beat LD? Is punching or leg-breaking allowed? ;):D

[concretemad]

what lcw has, cj has but what ld has, lcw & cj don't have..if either one of them has they would have beaten him for the majors!

ld already has a lot of the major winning experience, has the support from audience everywhere, that would motivate him more. beside every player fear of losing to him, fear they can't last long enough, fear ...

like i said he is one of a kind, very rare and he has worked his way up for quite a number of years already...unless he fails in his usual training style he would loose!

the only way any of these 2 players wants to beat him is to stay long enough in the court with him, stay at his pace and has more patience and able to detect change of strategy... :D

so the earlier 'combined' does not mean tat cj partner lcw on one side with ld on another?

[pBmMalaysia]

so the earlier 'combined' does not mean tat cj partner lcw on one side with ld on another?

just a figure of speech - we can't really combined 2 players!

among the 3 of them ld is a nucleus reactor - a fast one and that is his weapon!:D

[FIVEs]

Bring some real beautiful cheerleaders to distract his attention:)!

[rhasan]

One way to beat lin dan would probably be really good deception - if u watch the match between PG and LD at the WC 2009, ull see what i mean. Lin Dan had a little difficulty playing Peter Gade. There were numerous occassions where peter gade deceived LD. He played quite a few outright winners with his deceptive forehand drop. Peter Gade also consistently puts the shuttle behind Lin Dan with his punch clears.

[pBmMalaysia]

One way to beat lin dan would probably be really good deception - if u watch the match between PG and LD at the WC 2009, ull see what i mean. Lin Dan had a little difficulty playing Peter Gade. There were numerous occassions where peter gade deceived LD. He played quite a few outright winners with his deceptive forehand drop. Peter Gade also consistently puts the shuttle behind Lin Dan with his punch clears.

true its true but pg can get the shuttle pass ld all the time before he tries a deceptive attack as this guy called ld keeps returning the bird.. and when pg has the chance for his deception to win points he can't sustain ld's returns...:D

[pBmMalaysia]

Bring some real beautiful cheerleaders to distract his attention:)!

..and some gay cheerleaders just in case....

you have good ideas but not related to badminton, try put them 2gether with baddy:D

[takeshi]

One way to beat LD is he must fu#k 1st. Then all his energy will be depleted the next day.

That's how Mohammad Ali always wins. No ***....:)

[FIVEs]

..and some gay cheerleaders just in case....

you have good ideas but not related to badminton, try put them 2gether with baddy:D

Oh, and is gay cheerleaders a good idea related to baddy;)? But honestly, since I think he is straight, it would have no bearing on his performance because in his mind: y'all can dance and cheer all you want but I'm in here for the ladies:cool:!

Btw, have his brand spanking new N90II strung with fish net:D?

[FIVEs]

One way to beat LD is he must fu#k 1st. Then all his energy will be depleted the next day.

That's how Mohammad Ali always wins. No ***....:)

Probably you need to specify how many rounds he must do, who knows, he might be like the Duracell Bunny that goes on and on and on:)!

[OneToughBirdie]

Probably you need to specify how many rounds he must do, who knows, he might be like the Duracell Bunny that goes on and on and on:)!

What happens if the Duracell battery is a defective one and die halfway doing the job:D:p even in high quality control spec, there is bound to be one bad one in a sea of 1000.

[DivingBirdie]

One way to beat LD is he must fu#k 1st. Then all his energy will be depleted the next day.

That's how Mohammad Ali always wins. No ***....:)

obviously u haven't checked out http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80199 post 14

[Wong8Egg]

One way to beat LD is he must fu#k 1st. Then all his energy will be depleted the next day.

That's how Mohammad Ali always wins. No ***....:)

The reason of why LCW is peaking his form since the breakup with WMC has revealed. :cool:

[george@chongwei]

The reason of why LCW is peaking his form since the breakup with WMC has revealed. :cool:
Maybe we also already know the reason why Lin Dan lost so easily to Choi Ho Jin in East Asian Games 2009 in 2 sets had also been revealed :)

[george@chongwei]

he's george@chongwei! took me a while to find him! he should deserves the thumbs up! ;)
cooler deserve it more than i am actually. :p

[takeshi]

The reason of why LCW is peaking his form since the breakup with WMC has revealed. :cool:
Of course ma...Where got time to play..play..
Rumors he has breakup with WMC.
Now, who is the next Mrs.LCW? I heard she is from China.
Anyone have info?

[FIVEs]

What happens if the Duracell battery is a defective one and die halfway doing the job:D:p even in high quality control spec, there is bound to be one bad one in a sea of 1000.

Perhaps that's why he loss at tournaments he should've won:)? Explains your bad cell in a thousand cells theory.

[pBmMalaysia]

Of course ma...Where got time to play..play..
Rumors he has breakup with WMC.
Now, who is the next Mrs.LCW? I heard she is from China.
Anyone have info?

that's bad news but no news! lcw doesn't keep flowers in a pot! doesn't have to water them everyday and too much water the leaves will drop...:D

[Pemuda]

Sure, David slew Goliath. However, while LD may be a Goliath, is LCW a David?

[extremenanopowe]

Is it Miss Malaysia? ;)

[takeshi]

Is it Miss Malaysia? ;)
Who is Miss Msia? What name? U mean LCW GF?
She is from China.

[pBmMalaysia]

Is it Miss Malaysia? ;)


Who is Miss Msia? What name? U mean LCW GF?
She is from China.

lcw girl friend? he has a lot.. but he doesn't keep flowers in a pot! doesn't have to water them everyday and too much water the leaves will drop...:D

[extremenanopowe]

lets move back to how to beat lindan. maybe recommending him miss malaysia? lol. ;) then xxf will beat him up also. ;)

[X Ball]

LD has nerves of steel. But even having that, he lost to LCW in an MO after 8-9 points up in the final game. So that says nerves of steel was beaten by something.

Was it just the home factor? No, it was that plus LCW's capability to turn it around. So what we are saying is LCW could not win without the two factors. He needed mental motivation (e.g the crowd giving him the confidence).

But confidence can only come if you have the ability to play well. LCW lacked that confidence in the past as he was less matured in thinking. Today, he can handle pressure better which is a sign that the has matured.

That maturity leads to confidence - he may not need the home crowd to win anymore. That confidence also stems from him getting better with training and understanding of the game.

I feel as long as he trains well he has every chance of winning his matches from henceforth. That is why LD has to be very sharp if he were to beat LCW - LD cannot just turn up in a tournament and expect to beat an in-form LCW anymore - the psychology he used to weave on a previously immature LCW will not work any longer.

[george@chongwei]

lets move back to how to beat lindan. maybe recommending him miss malaysia? lol. ;) then xxf will beat him up also. ;)
yeah, we should ask xie xing fang how she beat LD:p

[takeshi]

lets move back to how to beat lindan. maybe recommending him miss malaysia? lol. ;) then xxf will beat him up also. ;)
I think both LCD and LD should exchange girlfriend...:p:p:p

[pBmMalaysia]

LD has nerves of steel. But even having that, he lost to LCW in an MO after 8-9 points up in the final game. So that says nerves of steel was beaten by something.

Was it just the home factor? No, it was that plus LCW's capability to turn it around. So what we are saying is LCW could not win without the two factors. He needed mental motivation (e.g the crowd giving him the confidence).

But confidence can only come if you have the ability to play well. LCW lacked that confidence in the past as he was less matured in thinking. Today, he can handle pressure better which is a sign that the has matured.

That maturity leads to confidence - he may not need the home crowd to win anymore. That confidence also stems from him getting better with training and understanding of the game.

I feel as long as he trains well he has every chance of winning his matches from henceforth. That is why LD has to be very sharp if he were to beat LCW - LD cannot just turn up in a tournament and expect to beat an in-form LCW anymore - the psychology he used to weave on a previously immature LCW will not work any longer.

if you have put those words above yourself, you must be somebody who knows lcw quite well. better don't let ld knows too much of this stuff as he may have his eye sight improved to be extra sharp!!

anyway there is evidence you maybe right because ld didn't show up in m.o.10 and his comments ....:D:D

[cooler]

if you have put those words above yourself, you must be somebody who knows lcw quite well. better don't let ld knows too much of this stuff as he may have his eye sight improved to be extra sharp!!

anyway there is evidence you maybe right because ld didn't show up in m.o.10 and his comments ....:D:Du r still new here. U haven't seen or read any of xball's past game prediction and analysis. They are quite dismal

As past record show, he would come here to make a grant prediction before a major tournament, usually AE, WC and OG. He now do limited tournament prediction because he want to limit his wrong prediction frequency and with fewer predictions, people tend to forget what he says and predict.

[pBmMalaysia]

u r still new here. U haven't seen or read any of xball's past game prediction and analysis. They are quite dismal

As past record show, he would come here to make a grant prediction before a major tournament, usually AE, WC and OG. He now do limited tournament prediction because he want to limit his wrong prediction frequency and with fewer predictions, people tend to forget what he says and predict.

right, cooler, am new here but not in badminton and i know or have read x-ball wrong prediction - the w.c.09 after lcw won the s.o.09 for a start!

but the content in my post wasn't about prediction, it's that i found the way he wrote his post would be someone who knew lcw and/or like somehow he has something to do with it.:D:D

[Aspire]

right, cooler, am new here but not in badminton and i know or have read x-ball wrong prediction - the w.c.09 after lcw won the s.o.09 for a start!

but the content in my post wasn't about prediction, it's that i found the way he wrote his post would be someone who knew lcw and/or like somehow he has something to do with it.:D:D
What irked him is not about x-ball predictions or past predictions. It was all about x-ball mentioning the infamous lcw wins over ld in MO 2007 where ld was leading at 20-13.

He still cant get over with it after so long.:p

[cooler]

right, cooler, am new here but not in badminton and i know or have read x-ball wrong prediction - the w.c.09 after lcw won the s.o.09 for a start!

but the content in my post wasn't about prediction, it's that i found the way he wrote his post would be someone who knew lcw and/or like somehow he has something to do with it.:D:D

well,if u find some senses in his post, then i have to lower my perception on u as a coach. U also had said before that i have a logical and sensible approach in reaching my conclusion. I believe this is one of those cases.

[extremenanopowe]

Hopefully lcw is wiser now when they meet up. ;)

[pBmMalaysia]

well,if u find some senses in his post, then i have to lower my perception on u as a coach. U also had said before that i have a logical and sensible approach in reaching my conclusion. I believe this is one of those cases.

cooler, you misunderstood me! x-ball post makes sense or not is not the point, the point is i was asking him if someone like him says or predict something like that, to me, would be somebody that really knows lcw! ;);)

[cooler]

cooler, you misunderstood me! x-ball post makes sense or not is not the point, the point is i was asking him if someone like him says or predict something like that, to me, would be somebody that really knows lcw! ;);)that is my point, if he knows so much about lcw, how come his prediction, game analysis track record on lcw are so pathetic?

[cooler]

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[pBmMalaysia]

that is my point, if he knows so much about lcw, how come his prediction, game analysis track record on lcw are so pathetic?

wait till he answer ... then you have my analysis..

[takeshi]

LD is an attacking player. Attacking player hates rally. Just give all the shutter to the base line. That's way he has trouble play with Chen Jin.

[cooler]

wait till he answer ... then you have my analysis..

i thot u read all my and his past posts:rolleyes: aren't that enough:rolleyes:

[pBmMalaysia]

LD is an attacking player. Attacking player hates rally. Just give all the shutter to the base line. That's way he has trouble play with Chen Jin.

you mean a new strategy like rally base line?

so if lcw changes to this strategy, what happen if ld also change strategy?

and his strategy is stay base line and fast kill?:D

[pBmMalaysia]

i thot u read all my and his past posts:rolleyes: aren't that enough:rolleyes:

i am still reading...:p

[pBmMalaysia]

What irked him is not about x-ball predictions or past predictions. It was all about x-ball mentioning the infamous lcw wins over ld in MO 2007 where ld was leading at 20-13.

He still cant get over with it after so long.:p

read & read again, sometime our brains just don't miss the words but the meaning...:D

[X Ball]

What irked him is not about x-ball predictions or past predictions. It was all about x-ball mentioning the infamous lcw wins over ld in MO 2007 where ld was leading at 20-13.

He still cant get over with it after so long.:p

It is locked into memory to be brought out now and then to anti-stir the people who stir.:D

[pBmMalaysia]

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he never responded, either he is real close to lcw and doesn't want to admit or he is just a smart guy who is 'good' with words ...quite knowledgeable though..

with more of this kind of people around, just about anything can be stirred!:D:D

[cooler]

What irked him is not about x-ball predictions or past predictions. It was all about x-ball mentioning the infamous lcw wins over ld in MO 2007 where ld was leading at 20-13.

He still cant get over with it after so long.:p


It is locked into memory to be brought out now and then to anti-stir the people who stir.:D


he never responded, either he is real close to lcw and doesn't want to admit or he is just a smart guy who is 'good' with words ...quite knowledgeable though..

with more of this kind of people around, just about anything can be stirred!:D:D
it is quite pathetic and shameful to see some hardest core lcw's fans can't remember which MAS Open it was to gloat but have good memory on LD's not waiting long enough to shake hand with lcw, LD kicking his racket and not wearing the stupid hat. Let me refresh your memory, it was the 2006 MO.
LCW lost to BCL in the quarterfinal in 2007 MO in easy 2 sets.

if lcw was so good, why he was 13-20 behind LD in the first place? Does Mr. badminton coach teaches his students to win badminton game by playing like lcw in 2006 MO, come back from 2 feet under?

i think the 2006 MO lost is a hidden blessing for LD, as this give him purpose to deny lcw the big titles. I do hope LD remembers the 2006 MO all the time and keep denying lcw the big titles as money is no longer an incentive to win for LD.

[X Ball]

he never responded, either he is real close to lcw and doesn't want to admit or he is just a smart guy who is 'good' with words ...quite knowledgeable though..

with more of this kind of people around, just about anything can be stirred!:D:D

Just a word about Cooler, he is so irked by me, he will make sure he spells it out for everyone here. It tells you a bit about the person he is.

[Aspire]

Just a word about Cooler, he is so irked by me, he will make sure he spells it out for everyone here. It tells you a bit about the person he is.
Oh i forgot it was 2006 instead because i am not a LCW fan. I also cannot remember the hand shake and the hat incident because that did not get into me or i would say most of us.

But he remembered everything!!:p

This time you are right X Ball. You got him.:D

[Aspire]

First of all I did not mention lcw was so good. NVM that. Ya lcw was lousy to be trailing 13-20 but the game does not end at 20 points.

So what would you call a player who had 7 game points on hand but at the end still lose the game to a lousy player?:confused:

Then what would you call him next for those unsporting behaviours that you just reminded us of?:D

[Aspire]

First of all I did not mention lcw was so good. NVM that. Ya lcw was lousy to be trailing 13-20 but the game does not end at 20 points.

So what would you call a player who had 7 game points on hand but at the end still lose the game to a lousy player?:confused:

Then what would you call him next for those unsporting behaviours that you just reminded us of?:D
Oh i forgot to mention this post is directed to cooler. Sorry i am new here so not quite handy yet on those functions.
Also i am new in badminton and would like to see pbmmalaysia views on how to beat ld the right way since he sounded like an expert and that he is so close to lcw.

[pBmMalaysia]

it is quite pathetic and shameful to see some hardest core lcw's fans can't remember which MAS Open it was to gloat but have good memory on LD's not waiting long enough to shake hand with lcw, LD kicking his racket and not wearing the stupid hat. Let me refresh your memory, it was the 2006 MO.
LCW lost to BCL in the quarterfinal in 2007 MO in easy 2 sets.

if lcw was so good, why he was 13-20 behind LD in the first place? Does Mr. badminton coach teaches his students to win badminton game by playing like lcw in 2006 MO, come back from 2 feet under?

i think the 2006 MO lost is a hidden blessing for LD, as this give him purpose to deny lcw the big titles. I do hope LD remembers the 2006 MO all the time and keep denying lcw the big titles as money is no longer an incentive to win for LD.

well well everybody sure do have memory problem once in a while and what have we got here, a foursome? :p

and cooler, until today you still can't figure it out how lcw won from 13-20 and you are trying to learn something here, asking about my teaching? lol:D:D really can't blame you if you can't get over it but i will tell you, ld just got punctured, totally flat, zero, dead brain, nothing left...even if you ask him his name he will answer 'one point, one point' (till these days!)...

luckily you are not born a psychologist - telling your patient (ld) you can't reach for the grapes thus they are sour..and the best part is telling him to remember his nightmare!!:eek:

[pBmMalaysia]

Just a word about Cooler, he is so irked by me, he will make sure he spells it out for everyone here. It tells you a bit about the person he is.

yes, i can see that and was wondering what would happen if you 2 met face to face??:D:D
i do have a few boxing gloves in my store..:D

[pBmMalaysia]

Oh i forgot to mention this post is directed to cooler. Sorry i am new here so not quite handy yet on those functions.
Also i am new in badminton and would like to see pbmmalaysia views on how to beat ld the right way since he sounded like an expert and that he is so close to lcw.

ever cross your mind, if i can provide the know-how to beat ld and as a friend of lcw, he still have problem winning ld? also would i be hanging around here?;)

[Aspire]

ever cross your mind, if i can provide the know-how to beat ld and as a friend of lcw, he still have problem winning ld? also would i be hanging around here?;)
Ah here we go... a truthful and at last a humble reply.

[MrChrisBT]

Aha! This is a very interesting question. He could beat Lin Dan with a sharp and swift kick to the shin bone, ankle or foot causing immense pain. (You can practice this by kicking a wall or heavy sofa.) You have to be careful though, you are committing a criminal offense by attacking a person, and I am only suggesting this as a form of defense.

Oh, wait, I wasn't supposed to interpret beat literally? Whoops :rolleyes:

[pBmMalaysia]

Aha! This is a very interesting question. He could beat Lin Dan with a sharp and swift kick to the shin bone, ankle or foot causing immense pain. (You can practice this by kicking a wall or heavy sofa.) You have to be careful though, you are committing a criminal offense by attacking a person, and I am only suggesting this as a form of defense.

Oh, wait, I wasn't supposed to interpret beat literally? Whoops :rolleyes:

can't catch you - first you suggested attacking the shin bone then suggested this as a form of defense?

maybe you are over doing the attack/defense drill too long...

hope you are not included in the canada national badminton team, obviously by now you should be alone...

[MrChrisBT]

can't catch you - first you suggested attacking the shin bone then suggested this as a form of defense?

maybe you are over doing the attack/defense drill too long...

Sometimes offense can be the best defense. :) Don't worry though, you shouldn't stress this so much as it's purely out of humor. I truly like Lin Dan along with many other badminton players! So, lighten up a bit ;)



hope you are not included in the canada national badminton team, obviously by now you should be alone...
How cynical. That's never the case, we prefer to unite in group hugs at ClearOne :D

[pBmMalaysia]

Sometimes offense can be the best defense. :) Don't worry though, you shouldn't stress this so much as it's purely out of humor. I truly like Lin Dan along with many other badminton players! So, lighten up a bit ;)


How cynical. That's never the case, we prefer to unite in group hugs at ClearOne :D

well, i didn't know you were also trying to be funny..like i was:p