How to beat Lin Dan? Advice to Lee CW

[2cents]

Everyone wants to beat Lindan, but only 2 of them have been successed.

Bao CL has been trying that for 10+ years, actually Bao did pretty good, he did upset Lin Dan to steal the the world youth championship although Bao had never been better than Lin dan. But all people think now Bao was better than Lin Dan when they were teenagers, because people just live in that one snapshot. People don't care Lin dan actually beat Bao CL all the other time when they were juniors.

Taufik was another succesfful example, his performance was never comparable to Lin Dan. But he managed to steal the OG and WC. Then he became the player who can win whenever he wants to.

Therefore for Lee CW, the best strategy is not to fight seriously with Lin Dan at each tournament, he should learn from Bao CL and Taufik, not even want to win those matches. Just try to steal a title at OG or WC, (those smaller scaled tournaments are much easier to steal a victory), then make a snapshot, let the whole history frozen at that point, then he will become another player of winning as long as he wants to.

For Chen Jin, it's clear that his strategy is to wait Lindan's retirement. That's practical for him, but not fit for Lee CW.

[Ferrerkiko]

Although i am lin dan fan, but i know there is a way to beat lin dan. That is play like Lee Hyun-il, the game Lee play lin dan in the korea open last year. It is to play a very patience game, and to slow down Lin dan's game. i think that's the only way !

[yen_saw]

LCW could join Chinese winter camp for 3 months:D

Well right now, LD only has himself to beat, meaning only a poor outing from LD could jeopardize his game. I did see LCW's attack on LD's right court works once a while but that doesn't last very long.

[2cents]

Although i am lin dan fan, but i know there is a way to beat lin dan. That is play like Lee Hyun-il, the game Lee play lin dan in the korea open last year. It is to play a very patience game, and to slow down Lin dan's game. i think that's the only way !

you are probably right. Lee HI was good at that, he played so slow that made Lin Dan fell sleep, then he stole the match from Lindan's dream.

Even Lindan lost once or two to Lee HI, but Lindan was always the gay controling the match.

[Ferrerkiko]

Ask Li mao to return as Malaysia head coach teach lee chong wei to fustrate Lin dan like what happened at last year korea's open !:D

[Destricto_Ense]

The only weakness I can see with Lin Dan is when he is forced to use his backhand, as he much prefers overhead. The reason he can get away with overhead forehands is because he move so quickly, so some serious trickery would be necessary to pull Lin Dan completely out of position.

[volcom]

you are probably right. Lee HI was good at that, he played so slow that made Lin Dan fell sleep, then he stole the match from Lindan's dream.

Even Lindan lost once or two to Lee HI, but Lindan was always the gay controling the match.
hahahahaha..... :D:D:D

[MZHZ92]

"you are probably right. Lee HI was good at that, he played so slow that made Lin Dan fell sleep, then he stole the match from Lindan's dream."

I think this is even funnier!:D

..maybe I can continue like this: "He did not only fell asleep and lost the game, but had nightmares. In them he fight with his racket by throwing it against big bear li mao! "

[Dreamzz]

i've not seen a player who could consistently beat LD.
i don't think there are many, if any, players out there who have played more than 5 matches against him and have a better head-to-head record, at least not since 2004 when he really upped his game.
there's no denying he's at a different level at the moment, who knows how many more titles he would have won had he not been asked to concede to his teammates for qualification points.

[sudirman]

i've not seen a player who could consistently beat LD.
i don't think there are many, if any, players out there who have played more than 5 matches against him and have a better head-to-head record, at least not since 2004 when he really upped his game.
there's no denying he's at a different level at the moment, who knows how many more titles he would have won had he not been asked to concede to his teammates for qualification points.

agree, could have been 5 AE champions in a row.

[cooler]

The only weakness I can see with Lin Dan is when he is forced to use his backhand, as he much prefers overhead. The reason he can get away with overhead forehands is because he move so quickly, so some serious trickery would be necessary to pull Lin Dan completely out of position.that tactic applies to all MS playing regardless who's playing. Easy said than done.

[cooler]

hahahahaha..... :D:D:Ddon't laugh, i think it has merit. When LD become complacent, whether because he feel he know his opponent well enough and/or stretch the match to entertain the crowd, LD could fall into LHI's trap of doldrum playing style. Look at 2007 KO, LD practically owned LHI in the first set, then LD slow down or let himself play to LHI's pace, LD then got trapped and force to play the rubber. Then of course we all know what happened in the rubber:D There is one positive aspect no one know that came out of that tho...:p

[Destricto_Ense]

that tactic applies to all MS playing regardless who's playing. Easy said than done.
Not true. Lin Dan relies on his forehand at the backcourt a lot more than most other players.

[krisss]

I think it would be attack more.

I think that is the only way , LCW was trying this but he did do a lot of unforced lifts.

LD is an attacking machine , and can jumpsmash at the back of the court and then in 2 seconds be at the front for a net kill :O

I think the way for LCW is to be less defensive , and beat LD at the net.

Like Andrew Smith vs Taufik > I think AS new he wasn't going to do well , so he attacked much more than normal , and was beating Taufik at the net. But then Taufik started taking the match seriously and won :-(

[cooler]

Not true. Lin Dan relies on his forehand at the backcourt a lot more than most other players.it's ok, i understand u r still under training....

[Destricto_Ense]

http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/for_forums/haha_oh_wow.jpg

Great rebuttal.

[madbad]

hahahahaha..... :D:D:D

You picked it up too, huh? :D:D:D

[d65up2]

I'll give Chong Wei 1 advice.....well win the next swiss open and retire then get the MAS govt to grant him a super Datuk for winning the Swiss Open....then he can be the all time great........winner of 2009 swiss open....

well cos Chong Wei will never win All England, Olympics or World Championship...

[yen_saw]

Gez d65up2, did LCW kill your entire family or what?:rolleyes: what's with the hate?

[madbad]

Gez d65up2, did LCW kill your entire family or what?:rolleyes: what's with the hate?

See this : http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1111585#post1111585

[d65up2]

Gez d65up2, did LCW kill your entire family or what?:rolleyes: what's with the hate?

If he did I swear to u LCW will just be a name nothing else...well he is arrogant and as an INA supporter u know that we are not really on good terms with MAS and it is certain that I rather have Chinese clean sweep rather than MAS ending up with 1 title....I hope u understand the fact that I am just expressing my opinion and I am just not MAS shuttlers' biggest fan

[yen_saw]

See this : http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1111585#post1111585

Thanks for the warning madbad :)

[jamesd20]

It is clear to me that LD is faster, more powerful, stronger in mind and has similar skill level to LCW. For LCW beating LD is a dream. LD was not pushed in AE 2009 Final he simply matched LCW and upped it to win te games.

LCW must hope LD is not in the mood, but for me it is just that hope.

[madbad]

The times when LCW has caused LD problems was when he went full out on attack. This wrestled the control from LD and forced him to a more passive style. These are the times when LCW has either beaten LD or run him very close. Naturally with age, you slow down and need to pick your spots to be aggressive. But with LCW, it appears that he is reluctant to engage LD in a fire fight anymore. Misbun has to put these aggressive thoughts back into his mind and let lim loose in a slugfest. LCW has nothing to lose in doing so.

[Wong8Egg]

For LCW to beat LD, he must consult the the great "X Ball" for advice. :D

[cooler]

The times when LCW has caused LD problems was when he went full out on attack. This wrestled the control from LD and forced him to a more passive style. These are the times when LCW has either beaten LD or run him very close. Naturally with age, you slow down and need to pick your spots to be aggressive. But with LCW, it appears that he is reluctant to engage LD in a fire fight anymore. Misbun has to put these aggressive thoughts back into his mind and let lim loose in a slugfest. LCW has nothing to lose in doing so.Oh i do wish lcw go all out attack on LD, i mean on the court:D I want to see what reserve LD has more so than what LCW has :p As noted by many others, LD still hasn't been pushed to the limit.

[madbad]

Oh i do wish lcw go all out attack on LD, i mean on the court:D I want to see what reserve LD has more so than what LCW has :p As noted by many others, LD still hasn't been pushed to the limit.

You better send a PM to Misbun then :D;)

[viver]

It is clear to me that LD is faster, more powerful, stronger in mind and has similar skill level to LCW. For LCW beating LD is a dream. LD was not pushed in AE 2009 Final he simply matched LCW and upped it to win te games.

LCW must hope LD is not in the mood, but for me it is just that hope.

I see a pre-OG 08 Lin Dan and an improved Lin Dan on OG 08. His court coverage his more fluid and better ability to read his opponents.

Like you said, I also feel Lin Dan was not pushed in AE 2009 Final.

[yourbestfriend]

if he is in the right mind set, i honestly don't think it's possible to beat LD.
i mean, LD now is a very different player from LD even 1.5 year ago.
when he won the 2007 WC he was still an attacking machine. fast forward to when tangxinghua started to coach him, LD changed his style, not very noticeable to the average fan but definitely effective.
he is a more smart player now, he is able to play the "slow" rallying game if he wants to, he doesn't have to go all out attack. added to this, his net play is considerably better than before. one of the main reasons why he got his ass kicked at WC2005 was because taufik absolutely pwned him at the net. now, he probably is one of the most underrated net players on the ciruit. everything that critics have said he lacked, he got better at. netplay, defense, and his backhand. his sheer determination to get better at every aspect of the game and his rock solid mentality is really, second to none.

in all honestly, and i know a lot of you guys hate to admit it, but LD has developed into the MOST rounded player ever.

[jamesd20]

I see a pre-OG 08 Lin Dan and an improved Lin Dan on OG 08. His court coverage his more fluid and better ability to read his opponents.

Like you said, I also feel Lin Dan was not pushed in AE 2009 Final.

A few years ago I was quite critical of LD Footwork, it was a bit scrappy and only underpinned by his amazing athleticism. It is credit to him and his coaches that he has improved on this and as you say he is very fluid on the court.

Also like you say I think his Brain is an understated ability of LD. He see the opponents aims and nullifies them he makes top player look amateur. It is this reason why I enjoyed so much OG Final there is no better sight than a flawless performance like that.

[cooler]

You better send a PM to Misbun then :D;)

phhttsss, kid stuff.
u know that TH and PG will be in vancouver for exhibition.
For fun, i like to see the what if case scenario, bring in lcw and LD as well.
i would pay, hard cash, to see an exhibition demo, on the court, LD on one side, LCW, PG and TH each taking going all out at LD:D:p

test objective:

1. would LD outlast TH's 32 lb bg66?

any other objectives?

[yourbestfriend]

phhttsss, kid stuff.
u know that TH and PG will be in vancouver for exhibition.
For fun, i like to see the what if case scenario, bring in lcw and LD as well.
i would pay, hard cash, to see an exhibition demo, on the court, LD on one side, LCW, PG and TH each taking going all out at LD:D:p

test objective:

1. would LD outlast TH's 32 lb bg66?

any other objectives?

i would drive to the airport and pick LD up if this were to happen.
i **** you not, i would pay $500USD+ to see this :cool:

[Destricto_Ense]

Taufik would lock himself in his hotel room out of fear, LCW would be busy getting another title, and Gade would be getting his hair done.

Never gonna happen.

[cooler]

phhttsss, kid stuff.
u know that TH and PG will be in vancouver for exhibition.
For fun, i like to see the what if case scenario, bring in lcw and LD as well.
i would pay, hard cash, to see an exhibition demo, on the court, LD on one side, LCW, PG and TH each taking shift going all out at LD:D:p We can see 3 different tactics and how well LD response to them.

test objective:

1. would LD outlast TH's 32 lb bg66? ie, which one snap first:p

any other objectives?....................................... .....

[badders2006]

Also like you say I think his Brain is an understated ability of LD. He see the opponents aims and nullifies them he makes top player look amateur. It is this reason why I enjoyed so much OG Final there is no better sight than a flawless performance like that.

I think the new LD arose after he won OG 08. He walks around the court and plays with a lofty "at peace" manner, KNOWING he is the best and that noone can touch him. He has even said he has nothing to prove anything, because he has won everything there is to win. With no pressure to deliver, that only enhances his mental strength.

And I agree, that OG 08 final was perhaps the most perfect display of MS badminton we will ever witness. I believe Gillian Clark said the same, and she has seen ALOT of matches going back a fair few years!

[Pemuda]

Everyone wants to beat Lindan, but only 2 of them have been successed.

Bao CL has been trying that for 10+ years, actually Bao did pretty good, he did upset Lin Dan to steal the the world youth championship although Bao had never been better than Lin dan. But all people think now Bao was better than Lin Dan when they were teenagers, because people just live in that one snapshot. People don't care Lin dan actually beat Bao CL all the other time when they were juniors.

Taufik was another succesfful example, his performance was never comparable to Lin Dan. But he managed to steal the OG and WC. Then he became the player who can win whenever he wants to.

Therefore for Lee CW, the best strategy is not to fight seriously with Lin Dan at each tournament, he should learn from Bao CL and Taufik, not even want to win those matches. Just try to steal a title at OG or WC, (those smaller scaled tournaments are much easier to steal a victory), then make a snapshot, let the whole history frozen at that point, then he will become another player of winning as long as he wants to.

For Chen Jin, it's clear that his strategy is to wait Lindan's retirement. That's practical for him, but not fit for Lee CW.

Bro, I know your intentions are good. But we got to accept reality. And the reality is LD is more superior than LCW despite the entire Malaysia Boleh machinery, tall flagpole, space tourist etc all backing him.

LD v LCW is like Manchester United v Manchester City in football terms. Out of ten matches, MU will win 8 and MC will win 2. And in terms of titles, no comparision la. The bottom line is that no matter what MU is a better team than Man City, just like LD & LCW. Out of 10 matches, LD will win the bulk of it.

[jasonmarc]

Gez d65up2, did LCW kill your entire family or what?:rolleyes: what's with the hate?

Dont be like that......He hate LCW.........because LCW always beat TH.......SS.......and SDK...................he could not do anythings but hatred....sad for him....

Unlike us,......LD always beat LCW........but we never hate LD........we admire him..............thats the different.....

Without LCW..........there still LD.........stand in INA's MS way..........:D:D:D

[xXazn_romeoXx]

i'm guessing the general consensus is that there really is no way to beat lin dan and we're idiots to try lol...i think that his "zen" states are kinda bad for him...sometimes it felt at the 09 AE Final that he took some points off and too easy, and LCW just took them...he had 5-6 point leads then took a mini break....now albiet he needs to be pushed to show his real strength...but you can't take breaks like that, and that is probably the only true weakness i see...but once he turns it up, there isn't anyone in the world that can stop him =\...

[Deathsticks]

but but but but
chen jin beat Lin dan in All england 2008 :D

[lelynx]

it's psychology matter here...
somehow, LCW can't keep up the winning mentality whenever he faced LD...
well, *if* we can ask LD to wear a mask and play again with LCW, i reckon it will not be so 1-sided... :D
LCW is out of order whenever he see LD's face

skill-wise, LD is just too good with his cross-court smash
not forgetting his un-humanly fast pace
only if LCW can come up with strategy to deal with this, i don't think LCW can stay a chance (no bias; even I'm a huge fan of LCW :D)

[Deathsticks]

i hear people say that lcw can't beat ld cause lcw dose to much defensive drills
like high speed smash diving?

[lelynx]

i hear people say that lcw can't beat ld cause lcw dose to much defensive drills
like high speed smash diving?
if LCW is not diving too much; how to return the cross-court smash by LD :rolleyes:

[Deathsticks]

ha ha i've seen LD's Cross court smashes
most of them are out
atleast thats what umpires say

[Wong8Egg]

ha ha i've seen LD's Cross court smashes
most of them are out
atleast thats what umpires say

That's right, or LCW won't even get more than 10 points. :cool:

[X Ball]

For LCW to beat LD, he must consult the the great "X Ball" for advice. :D


The problem is he didn't :D

[X Ball]

LCW tried attacking and it worked in the 1st game -- he was matching LD all the way (even sneaked in front at 19-17).

In the 2nd game, at around 12, he lost his patience. I think he was trying something different which caused him to lose focus - he must have thought then it was time to change tactics because it was not working greatly just to match LD. The risk he took cost him 6 points and by then it was all over.

LD is definitely hard to beat - LCW has to learn that he cannot play from the backcourt to the net coz that is where LD is lurking all the time. He will allow LD to control if he does that. The only way, and it is tiring I know, is to play continuously to the LD's backcourt. LD does like to be drawn into long rallies - he prefers to smash and if he does that, he kills himself.

[volcom]

The problem is he didn't :D
Need to get him logging on Badmintoncentral and pming the wise master :cool:

[narnia]

LCW looks having some limitations. But it depends on the day's conditions of the two players.

Along with LCW, these players would have edges over LD: Taufic, Sony, PSH.

[cooler]

ha ha i've seen LD's Cross court smashes
most of them are out
atleast thats what umpires say yup, out of reach for LCW, at least that's what LCW say...

[viver]

if he is in the right mind set, i honestly don't think it's possible to beat LD.
i mean, LD now is a very different player from LD even 1.5 year ago.
when he won the 2007 WC he was still an attacking machine. fast forward to when tangxinghua started to coach him, LD changed his style, not very noticeable to the average fan but definitely effective.
he is a more smart player now, he is able to play the "slow" rallying game if he wants to, he doesn't have to go all out attack. added to this, his net play is considerably better than before. one of the main reasons why he got his ass kicked at WC2005 was because taufik absolutely pwned him at the net. now, he probably is one of the most underrated net players on the ciruit. everything that critics have said he lacked, he got better at. netplay, defense, and his backhand. his sheer determination to get better at every aspect of the game and his rock solid mentality is really, second to none.

in all honestly, and i know a lot of you guys hate to admit it, but LD has developed into the MOST rounded player ever.

Maybe Tang Xinfu really was responsible for the changed Lin Dan - at least Lin Dan is playing the way Tang Xinfu feels badminton should be played.

I disagree with you on Lin Dan being the MOST rounded player ever but would agree him being one of the most rounded singles player ever. :)

Because I still consider Tang Xinfu as the all time best - of course this is just my personal opinion. ;)

[taneepak]

The only weakness I can see with Lin Dan is when he is forced to use his backhand, as he much prefers overhead. The reason he can get away with overhead forehands is because he move so quickly, so some serious trickery would be necessary to pull Lin Dan completely out of position.

That was what LCW tried to do, except that any shot short of an inch becomes a kiss of death for LCW. Trying to attack LD's backhand is now more risky than ever. Remember, the new LD has more skills now.

[jamesd20]

Maybe Tang Xinfu really was responsible for the changed Lin Dan - at least Lin Dan is playing the way Tang Xinfu feels badminton should be played.

Because I still consider Tang Xinfu as the all time best - of course this is just my personal opinion. ;)

I completely agree with the first part......

I can't comment on the last part since I have never seen him play, I Can only say I think he is the best coach ever.

[taneepak]

After the recent AE defeat of LCW, Misbun still believes LCW can beat LD. Misbun says that LD's weakness is his vulnerability to making mistakes in prolonged rallies and when forced into a rubber set. This sounds more mental and I do not see LCW having a stronger mental strength than LD. LD's strengths now are his net play backed up by a killer smash plus also his new improved skills, but that can be blunted with long rallies to force him into mistakes. This is a tall order. To prolong rallies you have to hit many clears, and to avoid being smashed into submission all your clears must be of perfect length. Also LD now seems to have a far greater reach, like having some sort of "extensible" legs and racquet hand that can reach the bird at the 4 extremities with ease.

[weeyeh]

I think LD is a lot less hurried than he was. The new weapon is his new found patience. Long rallies used to be his achilles heel (LD used to kill himself by rushing the big smash) but is no longer very effective. LD now bids his time and wears out his opponent before making the kill.

LCW is more prone to mistakes in prolonged rallies as he needs to push the shuttle closer to the edges. LD reads LCW's game like a book and dictated the pace in most of the rally so well the entire match is almost staged.

I agree about the mental strength difference between the duo. Even trailing 19-17 at G1, LD kept his cool to take the game at 21-19 by minimising his own mistakes.

[danielwong]

LD is good, super good...no doubt about it
but LCW gave too much respect to him
even before the game, i think LCW mind already no
confident to beat LD
thats why very simple shots LCW also cannot return..
always hit net and even he lost his footing few times in 2nd set
LCW must be strong mentally...mental is not strong enough
thats the fact...

[george@chongwei]

Everyone wants to beat Lindan, but only 2 of them have been successed.

Bao CL has been trying that for 10+ years, actually Bao did pretty good, he did upset Lin Dan to steal the the world youth championship although Bao had never been better than Lin dan. But all people think now Bao was better than Lin Dan when they were teenagers, because people just live in that one snapshot. People don't care Lin dan actually beat Bao CL all the other time when they were juniors.

Taufik was another succesfful example, his performance was never comparable to Lin Dan. But he managed to steal the OG and WC. Then he became the player who can win whenever he wants to.

Therefore for Lee CW, the best strategy is not to fight seriously with Lin Dan at each tournament, he should learn from Bao CL and Taufik, not even want to win those matches. Just try to steal a title at OG or WC, (those smaller scaled tournaments are much easier to steal a victory), then make a snapshot, let the whole history frozen at that point, then he will become another player of winning as long as he wants to.

For Chen Jin, it's clear that his strategy is to wait Lindan's retirement. That's practical for him, but not fit for Lee CW.
nahh, chong wei had beaten lin dan several times too..
dont ya forget it:rolleyes:

[george@chongwei]

lol, who are you to give an advice to chong wei:D
lmao..sometimes im just LOL when saw this thread title.
have no idea whats the purpose, u expect chong wei to read all your advice here?:eek::rolleyes:

[limsy]

erm...well...both a repectable player....hehe...so....i just hope to see another good game....in so final...

[robin7]

I think this is the most constructive thread I've read so far.

Whether you like it or not, the fact is that LD is much better player than LCW.

LCW needs some advice from the experts/amateurs and that is why this thread is created.

We are nobody but badminton enthusiats who would like to share insights and try to promote badminton to the world. Instead of bashing here and there, we should have more threads like this. I am surprised that this theard is created by Chinese fan.

LCW bashers, have you ever created threads like? Or all you know is being cynical/sarcastic and venting your frustration/anger into some innocent players like LCW?

2cents, I respect you.

[X Ball]

One day, he will keep winning. And that is why we are still going to the tournaments.

His first set was first class, matching LD. His 2nd was because he was trying different tactics but failed. So does this sound like the end for him - no, I think it will spur him to learn and improve.

LD is a stroke of genius born out of very good coaching and training. LCW is getting there - so don't write him off yet. Every cloud has a silver lining, as they say.

[dassad]

everything that critics have said he lacked, he got better at. netplay, defense, and his backhand.


hard to believe that his backhand was ever a weak thing.. :rolleyes: it makes 50% points of all he does now.. I am a new at badminton so it is hard to believe .. despite that I saw in his 2005^ games some problems with a net

[dassad]

He has even said he has nothing to prove anything, because he has won everything there is to win.

Does he have a Malaysian Open prize in collection? ;)

[jensen9173]

LCW must beat LD in future before LD get merry and hang his racket after the coming Olympic. So LCW keep train hard enough or he might need to relax (rest).:D LCW Boleh!!!!!!!

[extremenanopowe]

If you want someone to frustrate the chinese players, get Prakash Padukone to coach. You can die watching him play. haha. Anyone remembered the game against Han Jian? haha..

Wait for Lindan to decide for retirement lah or when XXF get him too excited. ;)

[dassad]

Guys you are talking here about more attacking play against LD as a way to win
I think we all see how less players attack LD in real game, a question - why?
But LD's reaction speed and return technique (especially in backhand) are so tremendous that after you attack him you has to run as a crazy to net in hope to continue a point! And some of players are not able to do that so they can't attack LD.. logically.. an attack becomes too risky..

[lawcc]

erm...well...both a repectable player....hehe...so....i just hope to see another good game....in so final...
yaya..a big hand to you ...:D:D:D

[lawcc]

LCW must beat LD in future before LD get merry and hang his racket after the coming Olympic. So LCW keep train hard enough or he might need to relax (rest).:D LCW Boleh!!!!!!!
lcw can beat ld after ld marriy...you know y???i m sure you know:p:p:D:D

[bananakid]

So far, everyone has only praised how good Lin Dan's attacking play and abilities to deal with long rallies, but nobody even mentioned how much improvement he has with his defensive shots.

Just review the OG 08 MS final, and AE09 MS final, and tried to spot the moments when Lin Dan was forced(very late to the shuttle) to do an forehand under-hand clear... not only that it went cross-court(and caught LCW by surprise), it also went the full distance to the very back of the other side. If anyone of you is a badminton player, you should know how hard that is... and Lin Dan could not do it before OG08.

Lin Dan can now also perform an backhand under-hand clear that goes straight all the way to the other side's baseline.

These two shots were what missing in LCW's game, and Lin Dan Killed those weak replies from LCW in OG08. LCW did show some improvement with his forehand underhand(always straight), but he could never do a good backhand under-hand clear as good as LD or Taufik, and that limits his choice of stroke, therefore his opponent can predict his next shot much easier(but of course, needs to force him into that situation first).

[koo_fan]

lcw can beat ld after ld marriy...you know y???i m sure you know:p:p:D:D
Hey..xxf did a good job as a gf.
What more as a wife?
So, no aye here.huhu..

[lawcc]

nothing to conclude after see all the posts..!! lin dan n chong wei both in good form and condition now..just simply hope they both can bring us more and more of the the good match...at the end of the comparison???!!

[jensen9173]

We will see again in Swiss open final LCW vs LD. :crying:

[limsy]

We will see again in Swiss open final LCW vs LD. :crying:

why sad if this happen????faint...

[koo_fan]

We will see again in Swiss open final LCW vs LD. :crying:
a sad icon, huh?

i would think it's because u don't want the result to repeat itself.

[tommy_bun]

I think LD will let BCL to enter Final if they meet in the semi

[limsy]

I think LD will let BCL to enter Final if they meet in the semi

will cj will let bcl win???

[jutawin]

Lindan is a nightmare for LCW..

[jensen9173]

a sad icon, huh?

i would think it's because u don't want the result to repeat itself.

Yup! Hopefully chen Jin or Bao chun Lai can beat LD :rolleyes:

[cooler]

So far, everyone has only praised how good Lin Dan's attacking play and abilities to deal with long rallies, but nobody even mentioned how much improvement he has with his defensive shots.

Just review the OG 08 MS final, and AE09 MS final, and tried to spot the moments when Lin Dan was forced(very late to the shuttle) to do an forehand under-hand clear... not only that it went cross-court(and caught LCW by surprise), it also went the full distance to the very back of the other side. If anyone of you is a badminton player, you should know how hard that is... and Lin Dan could not do it before OG08.

Lin Dan can now also perform an backhand under-hand clear that goes straight all the way to the other side's baseline.

These two shots were what missing in LCW's game, and Lin Dan Killed those weak replies from LCW in OG08. LCW did show some improvement with his forehand underhand(always straight), but he could never do a good backhand under-hand clear as good as LD or Taufik, and that limits his choice of stroke, therefore his opponent can predict his next shot much easier(but of course, needs to force him into that situation first).
Naw, many LD nay sayers don't see those improvement, refuse to accept reality, only know to repeatedly to recall the long long past like LD plays like a robot, LD can't net, LD has no backhand, LD only has booming smash and lost out in long rallies.

Yup, lcw's late defensive deep clears aren't deep enough, LD slammed down alot of lcw's cross court clearing. In fact, LD's OG match winning shot was a straight simple smash from lcw's weak late clear. *BOOM* I can hear the echo:D

From the great video quality of oldhand's 09 AE videos. Just listen to the sound of LD drives and smashes versus lcw's. LD's shot has a distinct sharper crack sound to the shuttles than lcw's ;) If that doesn't inject fear to your opponent (in badminton), that player is deaf:p

[Oldhand]

In this post (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1112678&postcount=204), I have set out how Lin Dan can be surely beaten :)

[cooler]

In this post (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1112678&postcount=204), I have set out how Lin Dan can be surely beaten :)Shhhhhhhhhhhh.:) You bad man.

[joelabb]

Hey..xxf did a good job as a gf.
What more as a wife?
So, no aye here.huhu..

Hai ya.. :crying::crying: no chance for LCW beating LD because he said that he will not get married not until OG2012 over. From newspaper:
BIRMINGHAM: Olympic champion Lin Dan says he does not plan to marry yet in case it affects his performance before he defends his title at London 2012.When asked when they were going to get married, Lin Dan caused laughter by saying: “If I get married now, it might change my performance. It might be a distraction.” — AFP

[OneToughBirdie]

Hai ya.. :crying::crying: no chance for LCW beating LD because he said that he will not get married not until OG2012 over. From newspaper:
BIRMINGHAM: Olympic champion Lin Dan says he does not plan to marry yet in case it affects his performance before he defends his title at London 2012.When asked when they were going to get married, Lin Dan caused laughter by saying: “If I get married now, it might change my performance. It might be a distraction.” — AFP

The real reason is why get married when there is no rush/no panic and it is free...hehehe!!! Also, the longer he waits, more pickings to choose from...have you wait the OG08 opening ceremony...one look at those long legged beauties, I can't double fault LD for waiting longer:D:p

[joelabb]

The real reason is why get married when there is no rush/no panic and it is free...hehehe!!! Also, the longer he waits, more pickings to choose from...have you wait the OG08 opening ceremony...one look at those long legged beauties, I can't double fault LD for waiting longer:D:p

Naughty LD :D:D:D Like idiomatic saying in Malay :'Ada udang di sebalik batu' (There is a shrimp under a rock) meaning there is something fishy :p can get a younger and fresh one later :D:D

[koo_fan]

If xxf is not good enough, i don't know what's wrong with his eyes.

[joelabb]

If xxf is not good enough, i don't know what's wrong with his eyes.

Now LD is 25yo and XXF already 28yo. 2012 LD still young 28yo and XXF will be over 30s this make sense :D:p

[madbad]

Well, LD did claim he has his "girl" which would imply XXF. As far as looks go, I think he could do better (sorry XXF :o)

[ye333]

If I remember correctly, the shot LCW played right after LD's forehand under-hand cross-court clear is --- a backhand under-hand cross-court clear, and LD couldn't take advantage of it!



These two shots were what missing in LCW's game, and Lin Dan Killed those weak replies from LCW in OG08. LCW did show some improvement with his forehand underhand(always straight), but he could never do a good backhand under-hand clear as good as LD or Taufik, and that limits his choice of stroke, therefore his opponent can predict his next shot much easier(but of course, needs to force him into that situation first).

[bananakid]

If I remember correctly, the shot LCW played right after LD's forehand under-hand cross-court clear is --- a backhand under-hand cross-court clear, and LD couldn't take advantage of it!

Got to review that part again before I can give back a real reply, but I am at work right now.:p

At least back in OG 08, LCW definitely could not do it, and that's where half of Lin Dan's vicious net kills came in... the other half being the follow up after his smashes.

[dassad]

So far, everyone has only praised how good Lin Dan's attacking play and abilities to deal with long rallies, but nobody even mentioned how much improvement he has with his defensive shots.

I exactly wrote about this just a few posts before you did

[Oldhand]

Seven posts, which didn't constitute advice (in any form, for that matter) to Lee Chong Wei, have been deleted.

[bananakid]

If I remember correctly, the shot LCW played right after LD's forehand under-hand cross-court clear is --- a backhand under-hand cross-court clear, and LD couldn't take advantage of it!

Yes, you are right. There was one incident where LCW did a backhand under-hand cross court clear from his side's baseline to Lin Dan's side (just a bit in front of the double's service line). Great shot.:eek::eek:

[dassad]

now all go to first round of Swiss to see HOW TO BEAT LD. LCW and others - by side, a person of the week - Arvind Bhat

[Qidong]

now all go to first round of Swiss to see HOW TO BEAT LD. LCW and others - by side, a person of the week - Arvind Bhat

Wow. :eek::eek: I really wish I can watch this match. It's hard to imagine how can someone never heard of almost beat the super Dan. It should be more fun to watch than the AE final.

[dassad]

Wow. :eek::eek: I really wish I can watch this match. It's hard to imagine how can someone never heard of almost beat the super Dan. It should be more fun to watch than the AE final.
yes as a fan of LD i wish him the best, but I really enjoy seeing him in troubles. Then he starts play extremely reactive ;)

[naim564]

Arvind Bhat played a very different game from all..

* Really fast/speed badminton
* Accurate half-smashes (Indians are specialized and taught well on this. )
* Accurate full smashes.
* Played Singles more like doubles with more "PARALLEL" one-one play.

[dassad]

Arvind Bhat played a very different game from all..

* Really fast/speed badminton
* Accurate half-smashes (Indians are specialized and taught well on this. )
* Accurate full smashes.
* Played Singles more like doubles with more "PARALLEL" one-one play.

he made more winning smashes than LD!

[volcom]

LD still hungover from his celebrations of AE.
Wait till the real action starts

[Qidong]

Arvind Bhat played a very different game from all..

* Really fast/speed badminton
* Accurate half-smashes (Indians are specialized and taught well on this. )
* Accurate full smashes.
* Played Singles more like doubles with more "PARALLEL" one-one play.

LCW is fast too.
LCW's full smashes are accurate also.

Sounds the 2nd and last one are good advices to LCW? :):rolleyes:

[cooler]

now all go to first round of Swiss to see HOW TO BEAT LD. LCW and others - by side, a person of the week - Arvind Bhat

LCW had to play a rubber set against Yi Lu of china on 1st round AE too.

[cooler]

LCW is fast too.
LCW's full smashes are accurate also.

Sounds the 2nd and last one are good advices to LCW? :):rolleyes:Too bad, LD got the orientation warmup from ABhat, he'll be ready for LCW with A.BHat style.

[danielwong]

Too bad, LD got the orientation warmup from ABhat, he'll be ready for LCW with A.BHat style.



Lets hope there will be a final between LCW and LD in Swiss Open
eventhough i know is hard for LCW to win, but he need more
exposure playing with LD.....:cool::cool::cool:

[naim564]

In addition to all this, A Bhatt is 6ft+ and he utilized his height best to do a killer smashes half way from the court which LD had really hard time picking it up

Anup Sridhar/CLB has great heights but they play the standard slow badminton toss, toss, slow drop , toss once in a while a smash.. which LD can easily live with and used to..similar game is shown from LCW...

But A Bhat game i saw for first time and i really enjoyed it..as it gave a new look to Singles badminton.. with sharp smashes and accuracy.

[george@chongwei]

yep, arvind is indeed very tall..
and to be honest, im quite surprised with the score yesterday his match vs lin dan:eek:

[lawcc]

In addition to all this, A Bhatt is 6ft+ and he utilized his height best to do a killer smashes half way from the court which LD had really hard time picking it up

Anup Sridhar/CLB has great heights but they play the standard slow badminton toss, toss, slow drop , toss once in a while a smash.. which LD can easily live with and used to..similar game is shown from LCW...

But A Bhat game i saw for first time and i really enjoyed it..as it gave a new look to Singles badminton.. with sharp smashes and accuracy.

yup yup!!actually yesterday bhatt won his 1st game by accurate and precise smashing!!

[jasonmarc]

1at game.....LD...was testing ABhatt ......who playing style was new to him.......not like LCW......too familiar for LD...

[madbad]

1at game.....LD...was testing ABhatt ......who playing style was new to him.......not like LCW......too familiar for LD...

Bhat looks a useful player. His defence let him down a little but since he attacked quite a bit, the defence was not that exposed.

And jasonmarc, I have to limit you to using no more than one full stop in succession :D;). It's just hard to read otherwise :)

[koo_fan]

1at game.....LD...was testing ABhatt ......who playing style was new to him.......not like LCW......too familiar for LD...
Perhaps.But i guess Ld always do this.He don't seem serious when he don't need to.

But heck , i'd almost think that tall guy will do magic!
Ld's first round knock out would be almost impossible at this moment.

[jasonmarc]

Bhat looks a useful player. His defence let him down a little but since he attacked quite a bit, the defence was not that exposed.

And jasonmarc, I have to limit you to using no more than one full stop in succession :D;). It's just hard to read otherwise :)

Sorry,...bad habit..I'll improve on that.:cool:

See, less full stop already.:D:D

[jasonmarc]

Perhaps.But i guess Ld always do this.He don't seem serious when he don't need to.

But heck , i'd almost think that tall guy will do magic!
Ld's first round knock out would be almost impossible at this moment.

No way, 'Badminton God' cannot lost in early rounds,will lose face..mah! :D

Those who won over LD, will considered as 'Badminton DeviL'...:D:D

[Oldhand]

Bhat looks a useful player. His defence let him down a little but since he attacked quite a bit, the defence was not that exposed.

And jasonmarc, I have to limit you to using no more than one full stop in succession :D;). It's just hard to read otherwise :)
It's like staccato speech but unusually punctuated.

jasonmarc is not alone.
limsy too is a fan of this form :o

[Oldhand]

For most men going on 30 or over it, a playing career would be in sunset mode.

But for the likes of Peter Gade, Wong Choong Hann and Arvind Bhat, it doesn't appear to be so! :eek:

[danielwong]

For most men going on 30 or over it, a playing career would be in sunset mode.

But for the likes of Peter Gade, Wong Choong Hann and Arvind Bhat, it doesn't appear to be so! :eek:


wrong!!!! WCH sunsetted....:cool::cool:

[jasonmarc]

For most men going on 30 or over it, a playing career would be in sunset mode.

But for the likes of Peter Gade, Wong Choong Hann and Arvind Bhat, it doesn't appear to be so! :eek:

But this rarely happened to players from Chn, maybe they have big pool of new tallents and they're forced to retired much early....;)

[Oldhand]

Lin Dan has always had problems facing unfamiliar styles of play (or, let's say, unfamiliar players) :)

Ronald Susilo threw him out of the 2004 Athens Olympics, Anup Sridhar nearly did him in at the 2008 All England and then at the World Championships, Park Sung-hwan was a big thorn-in-LD's-side last year... and now, Arvind Bhat gave him the heebie-jeebies.

However, none of these players has survived further meetings.
(Remember Lin Dan's rather nonchalant dismissal of PSH at Beijing?)

Perhaps Indonesia and Malaysia should spring a new player on Lin Dan.
That would get him - at least temporarily ;)

In fact, Indonesia had such a scheme of suddenly launching a new player at the All England or Thomas Cup competitions. Rudy Hartono, Liem Swie King, Taufik Hidayat and Sony Dwi Kuncoro were among these 'surprise' launches.

[dassad]

ok as a result we should say - to beat LD you have to be unfamiliar unknown player.. but play like you are in top 10))

[badders2006]

when it was 16-16 in the 2nd set I honestly thought Bhat was about to pull a quick one on LD!! The champ finds a way to pull through again!

As someone else said, Bhat was intercepting and playing alot of unexpected smashes, which was really throwing LD off.

[shooting stroke]

No doubt that at this point of time, Lin Dan has improved remarkably since winning the Olympic. His net play is tight, more variability in his offense and defense, able to adapt both slow and fast paste quickly, lightning fast footwork (able to do a straight leap to make a smash without making any footwork and seems to be "walking" to cover his court) and importantly he is more patient in his game play now. But then, he is still human and can be beaten.

So, from my personal opinion, this are the area that our beloved Datuk Lee Chong Wei needs to focus his preparation in order to beat this human name Lin Dan:

1. Mental

Problem: ? to much respect, ? satisfied as 2nd best to Lin Dan, ? inferiority
Effects: Mental block before and during game play causes inability to translate strategy into proper physical action during game play that leads to frequent mistakes, poor shuttlecock placing judgment, easy to retrieve shots by opponent and sluggish footwork.
Solution: Datuk LCW can get any Mental Trainee / Psychologist or whatever professional individual that has specialty in the field of mental studies provided by BAM but then none of them would be a benefit for him if Datuk LCW doesn't has a VERY strong self believe in beating Lin Dan. Datuk LCW needs to get out from his own nutshell of "feeling that it is probably that i will loose" kind of mental attitude or otherwise his loosing streak will continue. The greatest supporter doesn't comes from those thousand of fans cheering his name, but it is actually his own self believe of making the impossible, possible.

2. Go for Lin Dan backhand

No doubt, Lin Dan fast footwork has made his backhand less usable as his overhead shots will always take over the duty to cover his backhand. But clearly in most match where the shuttle ended in his backhand, the possibilty to gain points or advantage to gain points is greater.

3. Wear him out

I don't know from you guys but i would say that Datuk LCW is the fittest badminton player currently exist. So why not drag him to a style of gameplay that require a lot of court coverage and long tempo in order to wear him out that hopefully and maybe can eventually leads to an advantage to Datuk LCW.

4. Play with him regularly........if possible:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

As in ancient war philosophy says.." if you can't beat your enemy, than join your enemy.....in which you can beat him eventually from the inside". So my advice to Datuk LCW....do a research where Lin Dan lives, buy a house near to his house, prepare your passport, buy an Airasia or MAS ticket, Hug Datuk Misbun and go to China and stay there and train with Lin Dan until you can join the China B.A or obtained a P.R there....then after that come back to Malaysia (...maybe after 10 years:cool:)...play back for BAM and then beat him after all of those hard working years training with him............................................... ..........:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:Dsorry just joking..........what do i meant is that if BAM can organize a frequent friendly match between Datuk LCW and LD......hmmmmm.....that can be a platform for him to analyze even better how to beat LD..........Why not.........

[limsy]

It's like staccato speech but unusually punctuated.

jasonmarc is not alone.
limsy too is a fan of this form :o

so...is tat disallow here???then i will stop...tell me if yes....:)

[madbad]

No way, 'Badminton God' cannot lost in early rounds,will lose face..mah! :D

Those who won over LD, will considered as 'Badminton DeviL'...:D:D

Thank you jasonmarc.

I'm afraid there will be no Badminton Devil this tournament

[Jonc108]

I tend to agree that in the first set LD was testing water, cautiously testing how LCW has improved from their last meeting... until 17-19, he thought it is time to wrap up the 1st game, then up his gear and finished it.

the 2nd set was similar, but this time LD decided to finish earlier and so gear up earlier.

I think what lacks in LCW maybe the intelligence, the ability to learn from his own game and his opponents' games.

So they may learn from each other and would improve next time, yet I am afraid LD may learn more and improve more than LCW... particularly the ability to control his own game...

not saying LCW would never beat LD, as he actually has done before, but out of 10 matches between them, LCW may win 3 previously, but maybe just 2 now...

[cooler]

Lin Dan has always had problems facing unfamiliar styles of play (or, let's say, unfamiliar players) :)

Ronald Susilo threw him out of the 2004 Athens Olympics, Anup Sridhar nearly did him in at the 2008 All England and then at the World Championships, Park Sung-hwan was a big thorn-in-LD's-side last year... and now, Arvind Bhat gave him the heebie-jeebies.

However, none of these players has survived further meetings.
(Remember Lin Dan's rather nonchalant dismissal of PSH at Beijing?)

Perhaps Indonesia and Malaysia should spring a new player on Lin Dan.
That would get him - at least temporarily ;)

In fact, Indonesia had such a scheme of suddenly launching a new player at the All England or Thomas Cup competitions. Rudy Hartono, Liem Swie King, Taufik Hidayat and Sony Dwi Kuncoro were among these 'surprise' launches.SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!:mad:
No more tips to BAM.:D This is your second tip already.....:(.
Fielding Hafiz brothers this long was one of the best thing for the china team, from a china vs MAS competition viewpoint. Others can post tips all they want but I beg u, no more tips on how to beat LD:) (That's why i keep saying to D. Ense he should train more to know this but u just casually blew it out:mad::crying:

[dassad]

As someone else said, Bhat was intercepting and playing alot of unexpected smashes, which was really throwing LD off.

Its exactly Im talking about! I WANT TO SEE LD missing unexpected smashes or things like this. I cant believe it before I see it myself.. LD seems at the court really not surprising by any shot - it's all his technique is about..

by the way only now I have set my Media player working, and can easily see the Swiss courts.. if I was succeeding make it before I would the that match as well :(

[madbad]

I tend to agree that in the first set LD was testing water, cautiously testing how LCW has improved from their last meeting... until 17-19, he thought it is time to wrap up the 1st game, then up his gear and finished it.

the 2nd set was similar, but this time LD decided to finish earlier and so gear up earlier.

I think what lacks in LCW maybe the intelligence, the ability to learn from his own game and his opponents' games.

So they may learn from each other and would improve next time, yet I am afraid LD may learn more and improve more than LCW... particularly the ability to control his own game...

not saying LCW would never beat LD, as he actually has done before, but out of 10 matches between them, LCW may win 3 previously, but maybe just 2 now...

I fear LCW may rely too much on his coach to "play" for him. It's almost like he lacks the imagination to feel the game and dictate the pace. His instinct against LD can also be questioned. Some players can work on a hunch and determine if it's working or not. Seems like LCW just keeps doing the same thing regardless of whether its working or not. Funny, a few years back, LD was considered the robotic single-mould player. LCW looks more and more like one these days.

[koo_fan]

I fear LCW may rely too much on his coach to "play" for him. It's almost like he lacks the imagination to feel the game and dictate the pace. His instinct against LD can also be questioned. Some players can work on a hunch and determine if it's working or not. Seems like LCW just keeps doing the same thing regardless of whether its working or not. Funny, a few years back, LD was considered the robotic single-mould player. LCW looks more and more like one these days.
Perhaps.LCW's self-confidence to change the style of game instantly dropped when it comes to the games with Lin Dan.
It's like everything's is in order and what he need to do is just to follow that.

More obvious after olympic.LCW need to change that.

[dassad]

so - what will be tomorrow? If did LCW read this thread and made some conclusions? ..

[jutawin]

Rematch again..
Hope for different result.

[dassad]

Rematch again..
Hope for different result.

im still at my favourite result - im for LD but i want to see him at troubles, smth that pull out all his energy and skill. Clear that LCW is one of the best who can do it

[markham player]

Very tough games for LCW since LD improves a lot since Aug 2008. If I were LCW, I would bore him to death, long long rally each point, see who get tired first, mind or body.

[Deathsticks]

dose ld even read this forum o.o

[Danstevens]

dose ld even read this forum o.o

I don't think so. I don't think LCW does either but stranger things could happen.

[2cents]

Everyone, I mean professionals, can get 1 point from Lindan, while a game is just a collection of multiple points. Therefore, everyone has the chance to beat Lindan. and the question is what the chance is quantitatively.

What Lee Chong Wei should do is just relax to wait the chance drop on his hands. Since he has been waiting for too long, his chance should not be far away ...

[extremenanopowe]

LCW dogmatic way and persistence is the only way and no other way. ;)

[Jonc108]

im still at my favourite result - im for LD but i want to see him at troubles, smth that pull out all his energy and skill. Clear that LCW is one of the best who can do it

hoping for the same...


I feel that if both of them are playing at their best, LD still have the edge. But this time LCW could have a better chance to beat LD, as this is only a SS, not any big tournaments like WC, AE and OG. So LCW could be not so nervous and LD could be not so aggressive.

Looking forward to a closer game.

[cooler]

hoping for the same...


I feel that if both of them are playing at their best, LD still have the edge. But this time LCW could have a better chance to beat LD, as this is only a SS, not any big tournaments like WC, AE and OG. So LCW could be not so nervous and LD could be not so aggressive.

Looking forward to a closer game.No. Lin dan has the hammer, not an edge.:D

[madbad]

Like the TH v LCW match, I think the LD v LCW one will be closer. If LCW hasn't learned from the AE final, there's no hope for him. Plus his coach should be shot too ;)

[cooler]

Like the TH v LCW match, I think the LD v LCW one will be closer. If LCW hasn't learned from the AE final, there's no hope for him. Plus his coach should be shot too ;)
u mean from the previous Swiss open, the OG, the AG...:D

[madbad]

u mean from the previous Swiss open, the OG, the AG...:D

Nah, he's got selective memory loss. ;)

My point is that if you play the same person twice in close succession, chances are you'll do better the second time. I would say if LCW wins one game, he'd have achieved progress.

[eRa@에라]

Nah, he's got selective memory loss. ;)

My point is that if you play the same person twice in close succession, chances are you'll do better the second time. I would say if LCW wins one game, he'd have achieved progress.


true, true... and if he does get the one game, next time he shall earn one more provided that memory loss didn't happen...;)

[jasonmarc]

Nah, he's got selective memory loss. ;)

My point is that if you play the same person twice in close succession, chances are you'll do better the second time. I would say if LCW wins one game, he'd have achieved progress.

I think so, but i would be happy if LCW manage to get more points tyhis time.
Even happier, if he manage to take one game from the 'Badminton God', LD....
:p:p...some times, LD is so unbeatable like 'Dr. Mahatthan' in 'Watcher'...:D

[madbad]

I think so, but i would be happy if LCW manage to get more points tyhis time.
Even happier, if he manage to take one game from the 'Badminton God', LD....
:p:p...some times, LD is so unbeatable like 'Dr. Mahatthan' in 'Watcher'...:D

Well, everyone has their own standard for LCW, what they would be satisfied with. Personally if LCW doesn't think he can win going into the match, he might as well not play. He has to have that belief.

BTW, your (lack of) use of consecutive dots has improved. Much more of a pleasure to read :)

[cooler]

Nah, he's got selective memory loss. ;)

My point is that if you play the same person twice in close succession, chances are you'll do better the second time. I would say if LCW wins one game, he'd have achieved progress.u have a point, the closer the repeat matches the higher the chances. Look at the 06 AG, LD beat TH twice, and lost the 3rd match to TH in the same week. Of course, TH fans only remembered and talked about the last match. Selective memory loss from the TH fans too;)

[Zealous]

As much as I wan CW to beat Lin Dan, I guess it's still not gonna be this time. Based on quarter final and semi final results, LCW was made to work so hard to earn a victory, I guess that is already a bad sign. Hopefully Chong Wei still can beat him.

[kyiyu]

Same goes with me...as much as I love LCW to win, I still believe that winner could only be LD.
With the current form of LD, he is one notch above any one of current Men single batch... and not because of LCW's tough path to Final.


As much as I wan CW to beat Lin Dan, I guess it's still not gonna be this time. Based on quarter final and semi final results, LCW was made to work so hard to earn a victory.

[koo_fan]

As much as I wan CW to beat Lin Dan, I guess it's still not gonna be this time. Based on quarter final and semi final results, LCW was made to work so hard to earn a victory, I guess that is already a bad sign. Hopefully Chong Wei still can beat him.
He should have a better game against Lin dan compared to what he'd done in Olympic, and AE.
Keep improving and trying.He should be able to do this.

[Loh]

Can LCW beat LD more times at the net? :eek:

I think this is the key.

If LCW managed to trouble LD at the net and cause him to make more mistakes it will result in LD having to lift more for LCW to execute his full blooded jump smash.

"Full-blooded" because anything short of it will only enable LD to retrieve easily as he has superior footwork.

So the strategy for LCW should be:

Be brave enough to try more net play and SMASH at the earliest opportunity. Don't hold back!

I hope LCW has enough strength and stamina to last the distance though. :(

[Jonc108]

No. Lin dan has the hammer, not an edge.:D

yes it's hammer if looking from their latest head-to-head record, edge is a more humble word as there are so many CW bolehians... :D

although the difference between LD and LCW is not 100%-0, but it looks like to shift towards 80%-20% from maybe 65%-35% last year. Just have a look on their head-to-head record from BWF website:

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/head2_1.asp?txtId1=&txtId2=&txtFname1=lin&txtFname2=lee&txtName1=dan&txtName2=chong+wei&Submit=Search




WINNING RATIO - (Dan LIN) 11: 3 (Chong Wei LEE)


(maybe 11:4 if include their match-up in team event last year)

what I like to say is that even LCW win this time, it might just be the case that his 20% finally comes, YET unless he could further increase his winning rate over LD stably, even a win this time could not be regarded as an improvement as a whole.

[phaarix]

Don't forget that LD can learn from their previous game as well... not just LCW ;).

[jasonmarc]

Well, everyone has their own standard for LCW, what they would be satisfied with. Personally if LCW doesn't think he can win going into the match, he might as well not play. He has to have that belief.

BTW, your (lack of) use of consecutive dots has improved. Much more of a pleasure to read :)

Thanks, got to kick the habit. :cool:

[koo_fan]

Don't forget that LD can learn from their previous game as well... not just LCW ;).
Well, true.

I got worried for one thing, the more they play against each other, the more LD can read his game.Damn, Ld 's good doing that!

[madbad]

Don't forget that LD can learn from their previous game as well... not just LCW ;).

LD can improve by cutting down on the low backhand unforced errors

[jasonmarc]

LD can improve by cutting down on the low backhand unforced errors

I was told LD played only 70% of his full strenght in AE Final. So LD can easily improve by plays his 85% or higher........;)

[Jonc108]

Can LCW beat LD more times at the net? :eek:

I think this is the key.

If LCW managed to trouble LD at the net and cause him to make more mistakes it will result in LD having to lift more for LCW to execute his full blooded jump smash.

"Full-blooded" because anything short of it will only enable LD to retrieve easily as he has superior footwork.

So the strategy for LCW should be:

Be brave enough to try more net play and SMASH at the earliest opportunity. Don't hold back!

I hope LCW has enough strength and stamina to last the distance though. :(

1. LD did improved a lot on his net play in the past 2 years. He used to be toyed by TH (when TH was at his best) on net plays, but still like to suicidally confronted with TH with net plays and lost many points. LD's net play now is more or less in the same level with TH/LCW.

2. Apart from LD's improvement on net plays, he also player smarter and not blindly continue to play at the net even not in a good position. No longer suicidal continuous net play, but decided to lift the shuttle when he's not in a good net play position, i.e. lifting the shuttle is part of his controlled play, not a last rescue decision.

3. As LD's lifting is no longer a last minute change of play, the quality is normally good and most of the lifting would not give good or plenty chance to his opponent to smash.

the biggest problem LCW facing LD is that LD plays in a more mature and controlled way with better consistency.

I think LCW should be more focus on how to control his own game instead of focusing on the attempt to disrupt LD's game and end up being led by LD's play rhythm.

If LCW could make the least mistakes, the game would be closer.

[Jonc108]

Well, true.

I got worried for one thing, the more they play against each other, the more LD can read his game.Damn, Ld 's good doing that!

that's the terrible thing that LCW could not overcome...

and I also think LCW's coaches is a problem... they always like to find excuse from others other than focusing on how to improve LCW's own game.

It would be too bad if LCW also pick up the same habit and limit his own development, which very much relies on a player's own mentality (i.e. how would you handle a set-back? find some escape-goat reasons or no-one to blame but yourselves and find your own weak areas for improvement?)

[Han]

There are many different approach from different coaches. Chinese coaches are very aggressive and empahsize a lot on offense, that's create opportunity to attack while the Malaysian counterparts believe in overall game, a little bit of everything like "rojak". Certainly each of the phylosophy has it merit and winning or losing really boils down to player exercution. If Chong Wei able to exercute close to flawless, I believe his long-rally defensive style can win.
Certainly I like to see Chong Wei play like Lin Dan go full assault but that strategy may backfire as he's not built to play that kind of style.
I suspect Chong Wei will use the same strategy to play against Lin Dan in Swiss Open just like in All England, chance are not very good to win but ...
All the best to Chong Wei and lets see how Rashid handles his first big test as a head coach.

[george@chongwei]

let's see how this 2 man play again tonight:)

[jensen9173]

When LCW see LD face, i guess LCW must recall back his history against LD :crying:. I think LCW need to attack more against LD whereas LD seldom defence. :p

[Ferrerkiko]

Lee chong wei , i think will meet Chen Jin in Swiss open 2009 final, Lin dan will let Chen jin , win this time

[jensen9173]

Lee chong wei , i think will meet Chen Jin in Swiss open 2009 final, Lin dan will let Chen jin , win this time

Ops! you are not updated and FYI! LD won CJ in semi
MS (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&draw=1)Dan LIN [2] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&player=2)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&c=CHN)-http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&c=CHN)Jin CHEN [3] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&player=3)21-13 21-14http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/icon_stats.gif (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/match.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&match=3)0:44
easily won by LD. Whereas LCW have a hard game in 3 set won.
MS (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&draw=1)Chong Wei LEE [1] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&player=1)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/MAS.gif[MAS] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&c=MAS)-http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/DEN.gif[DEN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&c=DEN)Jan O JORGENSEN (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&player=28)21-12 20-22 21-9http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/icon_stats.gif (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/match.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&match=2)0:51
:D:p

[Ferrerkiko]

Ok thanks bro for your info, i think Lee chong wei will win this time, cause Lin Dan is prefer to win bigger events like All Englang , Sudraman cup, Asian championship and World championship

[jensen9173]

Ok thanks bro for your info, i think Lee chong wei will win this time, cause Lin Dan is prefer to win bigger events like All Englang , Sudraman cup, Asian championship and World championship

NP! mate, We pray for LCW to win the title at least 1 title in swiss open if not 2 from KKK/TBH.Well, if can 2 will much better:D BTW did you watch badminton?:confused: or play badminton?:confused:

[virusvoodoo]

have we forgotten a great player by the name of CHEN Hong? i believe he's the only one that has a winning head-to-head ration against LIN Dan. correct me if I'm wrong!

[Hubert]

i believe LCW will win this time :)

[2cents]

Everyone, I mean professionals, can get 1 point from Lindan, while a game is just a collection of multiple points. Therefore, everyone has the chance to beat Lindan. and the question is what the chance is quantitatively.

What Lee Chong Wei should do is just relax to wait the chance drop on his hands. Since he has been waiting for too long, his chance should not be far away ...

just as what I said, this is LCW's chance now. Congratulations to him.

[dassad]

ok LCW red this thread very accurately
and made all we have been talking about

thread is away. no need in it :)

[eaststyler]

chong wei win.yahooo

[robin7]

Lee Chong Wei just demonstrated on how to beat Lin Dan by playing long rallies...

[Loh]

Can LCW beat LD more times at the net? :eek:

I think this is the key.

If LCW managed to trouble LD at the net and cause him to make more mistakes it will result in LD having to lift more for LCW to execute his full blooded jump smash.

"Full-blooded" because anything short of it will only enable LD to retrieve easily as he has superior footwork.

So the strategy for LCW should be:

Be brave enough to try more net play and SMASH at the earliest opportunity. Don't hold back!

I hope LCW has enough strength and stamina to last the distance though. :(


So LCW managed to beat LD in identical straight games of 21-16.

And you know what? LCW won more points than LD on smashes and net play:

Smashes: LCW 8 vs 4 LD

Net winners: LCW 12 vs 10 LD

So LCW has obtained the "key to success"! :D

CONGRATS TO LCW and hope he will continue to remain confident and believe in his own abilities in all his future matches. :)

[dassad]

yes it will be interesting to see the match: im not totally sure long rallies or smth like this can destroy LD
sure there are another things

[xymaerts]

Congrate LCW!!
His key success in Swiss Open is SOLID DEFENCE & CONFIDENCE in the match.. This is the long waiting quality match that fans of badminton is looking for.

[Louisa]

So LCW managed to beat LD in identical straight games of 21-16.

And you know what? LCW won more points than LD on smashes and net play:

Smashes: LCW 8 vs 4 LD

Net winners: LCW 12 vs 10 LD

So LCW has obtained the "key to success"! :D

CONGRATS TO LCW and hope he will continue to remain confident and believe in his own abilities in all his future matches. :)
Well, my DEAREST Uncle...u might be wrong u know...coz, i recalled our average LCW can defeats LD only if LD leg's is broken or he is playing with right arm....:D:D:D:p

[danielwong]

i think LCW maybe read our thread before the final game
we should create more thread like this ,hahahahaha

[dassad]

i think it cant be free. we should set a paid account for any of top-10 players who want to beat LD, with advices to each one. Want to win LD - pay and know out how.

[Loh]

Well, my DEAREST Uncle...u might be wrong u know...coz, i recalled our average LCW can defeats LD only if LD leg's is broken or he is playing with right arm....:D:D:D:p

My Dear Cat, so the night is here and your kucing eyes are bright and can see through many things even in the dark! :)

However if you can just look at the positive side of such discouraging remarks, it may just be the tonic that spurs LCW's resolve to do even better the next time! ;)

And today may well be the start of better things to come for LCW. :D

[extremenanopowe]

LCW did well in all departments today. Not easy to emulate this form. He need to keep this video with him to remind him that nothing is impossible from now on. Now ya. Now.... not future. ;) This is what I call 'a touch of class'.! ;)

[george@chongwei]

lcw manage to apply the right strategy to play lin dan today.
thumbs up for him!:)

[danielwong]

i think it cant be free. we should set a paid account for any of top-10 players who want to beat LD, with advices to each one. Want to win LD - pay and know out how.



yeah....true....:mad::mad::mad:
LCW should pay us half of SO price money
:D:D:D:D

[jasonmarc]

lcw manage to apply the right strategy to play lin dan today.
thumbs up for him!:)

http://mega.xtremenitro.org/bigemot/smiley/peace.gif (http://xtremenitro.org)

[alfa-2]

half only??? just X Ball himself should be entitled of 50% of the prize money after his amazing 64bit analysis that he did for LCW....:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[danielwong]

half only??? just X Ball himself should be entitled of 50% of the prize money after his amazing 64bit analysis that he did for LCW....:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D



cooler, bananakid and pemuda said the analysis is junk....:o:o:o
x-ball just want to get some consolation after AE lost :o:o:o

[Louisa]

My Dear Cat, so the night is here and your kucing eyes are bright and can see through many things even in the dark! :)

However if you can just look at the positive side of such discouraging remarks, it may just be the tonic that spurs LCW's resolve to do even better the next time! ;)

And today may well be the start of better things to come for LCW. :D
you know me Uncle....you know me....;):D:D:p

[alfa-2]

cooler, bananakid and pemuda said the analysis is junk....:o:o:o
x-ball just want to get some consolation after AE lost :o:o:o

me too........ehhehehehe........:D:D:D:D:D:D

[shooting stroke]

Even though Datuk LCW put a good performance to beat Lin Dan last night, the other contributing factor that leads to Lin Dan defeat was Lin Dan game play was slightly off target with a lot of mistakes and he seems to be lethargic.

Datuk LCW still needs to improve continously and not carried away if he wants to continue a winning streak against Lin Dan because if Lin Dan is in his best form, it will be difficult for Datuk LCW to beat him even if he plays like last night.

[badMania]

That's the beauty of the game isn't it? Winning this time doesn't ensure that Lee Chong Wei will remain victorious the next time. He just has to continue with the trainings and meticulous analysis of his most feared enemy so that he will not be ridiculed for yet another straight-sets defeats the next 3-4 times he squares up against Lin Dan. Remember, he still has to win the lot in order to match Lin Dan and Taufik Hidayat in the major titles category. That's unavoidable if he wants to be compared to these players.

The same thing goes for Lin Dan. He cannot take victories for granted and even though he has won almost every title that's possibly he could get, he still has a few years of badminton left in him. I am sure he's aiming for the Asian Games Individual Event Gold Medal that eluded him in 2006, despite the critics' downplay of that particular title. The fact that the Asian Games will be held in Guangzhou is another significant one that we cannot ignore, just like the Beijing Olympics Games last year. He surely wouldn't want to disappoint his home fans next year :rolleyes:

[sonnymak]

Whats the difference between LCW and LD Swiss match and AE.

LCW was matching LD in speed.

However, it looks deceptively slow. Now that's the key, LCW play by using his best points deception and defence.

LD employed the same game plan as AE. CHina O and OG. Why not? It brought him fruits.

But this time LCW was returning the shots and LCW took the intiative right from the start by playing the shots he wants to play.

Ld couldnt play those shots he want to play that's why LCW won this this time.

I've written before LCW shouldnt copy LD's style but just be himslef and emphasize his strong points.

LD was caught by surprise this time by LCW many delayed shots to the backline. Because of this LD looked "slow" to reach the backline because his momentum was moving front. LCW tried this in AE finals at 13-15 but he made too many mistakes. This time he did it again with psitive results.

LD was lost of the plan at around 11-9 at the 2nd game and looked many times to Xia for help of what was happening.

While he was thinking about turning the game around he made errors and that sealed the game for LCW.

The laws of probabilities is such that LD will win the nest meet up as he is the better exexuter of his shots. Hopoefully by the WC in Aug, LCW can shake thing s up again.

However one must comment positively on how both players hug each other after the game.

[limsy]

Whats the difference between LCW and LD Swiss match and AE.

LCW was matching LD in speed.

However, it looks deceptively slow. Now that's the key, LCW play by using his best points deception and defence.

LD employed the same game plan as AE. CHina O and OG. Why not? It brought him fruits.

But this time LCW was returning the shots and LCW took the intiative right from the start by playing the shots he wants to play.

Ld couldnt play those shots he want to play that's why LCW won this this time.

I've written before LCW shouldnt copy LD's style but just be himslef and emphasize his strong points.

LD was caught by surprise this time by LCW many delayed shots to the backline. Because of this LD looked "slow" to reach the backline because his momentum was moving front. LCW tried this in AE finals at 13-15 but he made too many mistakes. This time he did it again with psitive results.

LD was lost of the plan at around 11-9 at the 2nd game and looked many times to Xia for help of what was happening.

While he was thinking about turning the game around he made errors and that sealed the game for LCW.

The laws of probabilities is such that LD will win the nest meet up as he is the better exexuter of his shots. Hopoefully by the WC in Aug, LCW can shake thing s up again.

However one must comment positively on how both players hug each other after the game.

thumb up....uncle sonnymak always have a clearer mind...with beutiful english...salute...u is one of the bcer tat i respect....:)...always bright....:D

[BennettWong]

Whats the difference between LCW and LD Swiss match and AE.

LCW was matching LD in speed.

However, it looks deceptively slow. Now that's the key, LCW play by using his best points deception and defence.

LD employed the same game plan as AE. CHina O and OG. Why not? It brought him fruits.

But this time LCW was returning the shots and LCW took the intiative right from the start by playing the shots he wants to play.

Ld couldnt play those shots he want to play that's why LCW won this this time.

I've written before LCW shouldnt copy LD's style but just be himslef and emphasize his strong points.

LD was caught by surprise this time by LCW many delayed shots to the backline. Because of this LD looked "slow" to reach the backline because his momentum was moving front. LCW tried this in AE finals at 13-15 but he made too many mistakes. This time he did it again with psitive results.

LD was lost of the plan at around 11-9 at the 2nd game and looked many times to Xia for help of what was happening.

While he was thinking about turning the game around he made errors and that sealed the game for LCW.

The laws of probabilities is such that LD will win the nest meet up as he is the better exexuter of his shots. Hopoefully by the WC in Aug, LCW can shake thing s up again.

However one must comment positively on how both players hug each other after the game.
Nicely said :)

thumbsup

[sonnymak]

Thanks for the complement.

[dassad]

That's the beauty of the game isn't it? Winning this time doesn't ensure that Lee Chong Wei will remain victorious the next time.

That's one of the good posts over tons of what was written here in last storming days;)

Despite as a fan of LD, I find good LCW has won him because from now this duo is getting more challenging. 100% that future meeting of these two will be very attractive, and I cant say it if LD were win again
The only slippery thing is the fact that LD's motivation still is not clear for me, so it's not easy to say if LD lost by game, or he just wanted to win easily and didnt get it.
But may be it creates more power in this situation up to their meeting in some really big tournament where LD motivation will be not a question :cool:

[BennettWong]

I'm really happy that LCW managed to beat LD outside Malaysia.
I hope he can repeat it again.

However I have a little fear about this victory.
As many of you observed, LD used more played quite passively near to the end of the game and used backhands instead of overheads.

Maybe LD felt that LCW got the better of him this time and he held back a little so that he won't risk an injury and will have a small surprise next time they meet.

[pjswift]

I'm really happy that LCW managed to beat LD outside Malaysia.
I hope he can repeat it again.

However I have a little fear about this victory.
As many of you observed, LD used more played quite passively near to the end of the game and used backhands instead of overheads.

Maybe LD felt that LCW got the better of him this time and he held back a little so that he won't risk an injury and will have a small surprise next time they meet.
When LD played passively towards the end, it meant he mentally collapsed and had no idea what to do.It can happen to any player whose opponent's confidence is higher but with LD, the mental collapse has always been very clear when it happens.

[jasonmarc]

When LD played passively towards the end, it meant he mentally collapsed and had no idea what to do.It can happen to any player whose opponent's confidence is higher but with LD, the mental collapse has always been very clear when it happens.

People always say, LD is mentally strongest compared to any other players in the world.......just look at his major titles. ;)

[X Ball]

LD has always been known to be superior in all his departments and getting out of a losing situation should be easy for him. I mean if I understand Pemuda right he said LD has all the medals to show and LCW has none. I am stumped.

[cooler]

When LD played passively towards the end, it meant he mentally collapsed and had no idea what to do.It can happen to any player whose opponent's confidence is higher but with LD, the mental collapse has always been very clear when it happens.
if LD mentally collapsed with scores 16-21 and 16-21, then what do u call a player who lost 8-21 and 12-21, in a state of coma???

[cooler]

That's one of the good posts over tons of what was written here in last storming days;)

Despite as a fan of LD, I find good LCW has won him because from now this duo is getting more challenging. 100% that future meeting of these two will be very attractive, and I cant say it if LD were win again
The only slippery thing is the fact that LD's motivation still is not clear for me, so it's not easy to say if LD lost by game, or he just wanted to win easily and didnt get it.
But may be it creates more power in this situation up to their meeting in some really big tournament where LD motivation will be not a question :cool:


I'm really happy that LCW managed to beat LD outside Malaysia.
I hope he can repeat it again.

However I have a little fear about this victory.
As many of you observed, LD used more played quite passively near to the end of the game and used backhands instead of overheads.

Maybe LD felt that LCW got the better of him this time and he held back a little so that he won't risk an injury and will have a small surprise next time they meet.
i think you 2 have the better plausible reasons. It's a swiss title, he has 2 of them already, he surely don't need a third swiss watch. I do give credit for lcw working very hard to earn this title, it wasn't handed to him but then again, LD didn't really gone all out to take it either. LD isn't that dumb, he used this match to gauge what lcw can do if he go along with lcw's term. Even the best, need to test and gauge what's your closest opponent progression and ability from time to time. There is no better time to do it after AE, in a lower profile tourney swiss open.

[markchan]

[quote=cooler;1123216]i think you 2 have the better plausible reasons. It's a swiss title, he has 2 of them already, he surely don't need a third swiss watch. quote]

Then why bother competing?? Should have just pulled out and let CJ have a go at the title as it seems that when the "tai kor" is around, none of the other CHN MS gets to win.

[Pemuda]

if LD mentally collapsed with scores 16-21 and 16-21, then what do u call a player who lost 8-21 and 12-21, in a state of coma???

I am amazed with all these boleh fans. Out of 18 meetings between LD & LCW, LCW managed 6 wins. And the major titles are all with LD. Between the AE & SO, the AE is a more prestigious event, LD won that. Should be crystal clear who had the better exchanges.

The WC is just round the corner, are these boleh fans confident LCW can win it, his first major title???

[cooler]

I am amazed with all these boleh fans. Out of 18 meetings between LD & LCW, LCW managed 6 wins. And the major titles are all with LD. Between the AE & SO, the AE is a more prestigious event, LD won that. Should be crystal clear who had the better exchanges.

The WC is just round the corner, are these boleh fans confident LCW can win it, his first major title???
of course, u do your wear your best suit on formal occasions, right?;)
I mean, even the cat and kitten understood this.:)

[koo_fan]

if LD mentally collapsed with scores 16-21 and 16-21, then what do u call a player who lost 8-21 and 12-21, in a state of coma???
We may found Ld's to be mentally weak once in 10 games.
For the last few points in the second set, he is probably had it.
If it was true, then i would say, such a rare thing to happen.

Forget other players, Ld is in his own class.Isn't he?

[pjswift]

i refrain of a direct reply since the question is so... dumb
That's a super smart question. You're just too dumb to answer it.
Remember, in the SF, LYB had a choice. If LD's not interested to win, then send CJ. CJ could do with more ranking points.The next BWF update will have LD, CJ and PG very close in ranking points at #2,#3 and #4.If LD and CJ skip those SS before WC, there's a high chance PG will rank #2 for the WC draw.Not a bad thing since it means LYB won't have any chance to arrange for LD to have a discount in SF.

[pjswift]

We may found Ld's to be mentally weak once in 10 games.
For the last few points in the second set, he is probably had it.
If it was true, then i would say, such a rare thing to happen.

Forget other players, Ld is in his own class.Isn't he?
It's not rare. I've seen it many times when his opponent's either TH or LCW.
But LD is in a class of his own when it comes to his mental collapse.His body language would show it and he would look lost.Sometimes I feel sorry for him.That's because it's in such a stark contrast to his flamboyant image.

[markchan]

That's a super smart question. You're just too dumb to answer it.
Remember, in the SF, LYB had a choice. If LD's not interested to win, then send CJ. CJ could do with more ranking points.The next BWF update will have LD, CJ and PG very close in ranking points at #2,#3 and #4.If LD and CJ skip those SS before WC, there's a high chance PG will rank #2 for the WC draw.Not a bad thing since it means LYB won't have any chance to arrange for LD to have a discount in SF.

Ya, and the fans would get their money's worth too, instead of seeing one player "getting" injured midway through the match..:D:D:D

[jasonmarc]

It's not rare. I've seen it many times when his opponent's either TH or LCW.
But LD is in a class of his own when it comes to his mental collapse.His body language would show it and he would look lost.Sometimes I feel sorry for him.That's because it's in such a stark contrast to his flamboyant image.

Yes, yes,....this makes me remembered how his body language during his lost in 2006 AG MS Final againts TH.....it looked similar in SO MS Final againts LCW..and when his lost to LCW in JO .......got it...:rolleyes:

[X Ball]

?


Do you really believe what your best friend here said above (in post 197) that even the cat and kitten know that you have to put on your best suit when attending a formal occasion ?:D


Maybe I should ask the cat and the kitten whether they know.:D

[Pemuda]

Do you really believe what your best friend here said above (in post 197) that even the cat and kitten know that you have to put on your best suit when attending a formal occasion ?:D


Maybe I should ask the cat and the kitten whether they know.:D

First of all, XBall I did not put up that '?'. If you want to quote me, at least do it right and above board.

I think there are a few people here that are just too highly strung. Any comments that are not consistent to their liking, they tend to take it personally. Man, these people should lighten up. This is just a forum.

And by the way, I have a cat in my house, since you have this special ability to converse with cats and all, maybe you ought to come by and talk to him as he is pretty choosy with food of late. ;)

[Dr. Evil]

i think you 2 have the better plausible reasons. It's a swiss title, he has 2 of them already, he surely don't need a third swiss watch. I do give credit for lcw working very hard to earn this title, it wasn't handed to him but then again, LD didn't really gone all out to take it either. LD isn't that dumb, he used this match to gauge what lcw can do if he go along with lcw's term. Even the best, need to test and gauge what's your closest opponent progression and ability from time to time. There is no better time to do it after AE, in a lower profile tourney swiss open.


I just love blind China fans. They moan and groan over Boleh fans but they are in fact worst. If Lindan didn't give a hoot over the Swiss open, he would have let Chen Jin take his place in the final. Better yet, he wouldn't have kept bitchin in court and throwing racquet.

Lindan lost and serve his cocky face right. I love the part where he kept complaining about lines and net kill but lost in the end. Hahahahaha

[koo_fan]

If Lindan didn't give a hoot over the Swiss open, he would have let Chen Jin take his place in the final. Better yet, he wouldn't have kept bitchin in court and throwing racquet.


Let's just say this guy doesn't wan't to make it look obvious.That he took Swiss Open lightly compared to the last week AE.
Well. i don't know exactly. Maybe Yes or perhaps it's a No
But,he is capable to do that.

Even so, this is a game LCW should be able to define/study his ultimate opponent's game, when LD is being preoccupied to find a way to lose.

[cooler]

NST Online » Sport
2009/03/17

Badminton / Swiss Open review: Patience the key to victory
By : K.M. Boopathy

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Chong Wei now knows that Lin Dan is vulnerable in long rallies.


THE victory was unexpected but Lee Chong Wei will be a relieved man now that he has found a way to topple Lin Dan of China.

There was, after three consecutive defeats at the hands of the Olympic champion, fear that Chong Wei would develop a psychological block and signs of that were seen in the All England final.

But the Swiss Open victory has renewed hope that Chong Wei can get the better of a near-perfect Lin Dan, especially in the World Championships in August.

Chong Wei knows by now that Lin Dan is vulnerable in long rallies and his battling quality wavers if he loses the first game and these are the weaknesses the Malaysian attacked in Basel to come out tops.

However, it must also be admitted that Lin Dan wasn't as focused as he was in the All England but Chong Wei has to grab whatever opportunity he gets as each time he beats Lin Dan, his confidence will be boosted.

Halting Lin Dan was crucial but Chong Wei, in a telephone interview from Basel, also acknowledged the fact that his opponent will hit back with a vengeance the next time they meet.

"Patience is obviously the best way to counter Lin Dan but at the same time, I must also maintain a high level of quality. I have to keep working very hard as Lin Dan will bounce back even stronger," said Chong Wei.

"Beating Lin Dan still depends on the form of the day and I was better in the final. However, it doesn't mean that I have put a dent in Lin Dan's confidence.

"At least, I know that If I can prolong a match and wait for the openings to kill and do it consistently rally after rally, I can have more success. It will all boil down to how diligent I am in preparing to face him."

National singles coach Misbun Sidek had stressed that Chong Wei must do everything to break Lin Dan's rhythm and the plan he devised finally worked.

"Chong Wei cannot rush against Lin Dan and he must prolong rallies before executing attacking shots. This is what he couldn't accomplish in the All England," said Misbun.

"Lin Dan had shown that he is uncomfortable when there are too many long rallies and this is something new.

"As long as Chong Wei continues to exploit that and keep his own game sharp, there is no way Lin Dan can dominate him as he has been doing since the Olympics."

It is also important for Chong Wei to be well prepared each time he meets Lin Dan and this means he must spend more time in training and his hectic tournament schedule has to be curtailed.

Chong Wei agreed but he will still be busy for another two weeks as he is involved in a friendly match with Denmark's Kenneth Jonassen today and will compete in the India Open in Hyderabad on Mar 24-29.

Then comes the Sudirman Cup in May before he starts preparing for the World Championships in Hyderabad on Aug 10-15.

"I will definitely cut down on tournaments. I don't have to worry about my ranking as I will remain the World No 1 even if I skip a few tournaments," said Chong Wei.

"The main thing is I must maintain the level I have achieved and must always be prepared whenever I have a potential clash with Lin Dan."

Chong Wei's record against Lin Dan now stands at 6-12 and there is plenty of work to do to bridge the gap, especially his performance in major events.

The major events are where Lin Dan has no peers while Chong Wei's best achievement is a silver in the Beijing Olympics and a bronze in the 2005 World Championships

[dassad]

LD isn't that dumb, he used this match to gauge what lcw can do if he go along with lcw's term. Even the best, need to test and gauge what's your closest opponent progression and ability from time to time. There is no better time to do it after AE, in a lower profile tourney swiss open.

but look at LD at the ceremony
if he were ok with this loss "as he gouged what lcw can" he were not staying so unpleasant and running out from the court

[Dr. Evil]

Let's just say this guy doesn't wan't to make it look obvious.That he took Swiss Open lightly compared to the last week AE.
Well. i don't know exactly. Maybe Yes or perhaps it's a No
But,he is capable to do that.

Even so, this is a game LCW should be able to define/study his ultimate opponent's game, when LD is being preoccupied to find a way to lose.


If that is the case, then Taufik must be correct that Lindan is a drama king actor cause his performance really convience me. I make some joke with limsy in the past about Lindan working for the WWE after he retire because of his acting skill, didn't know "THAT" would come true.

[BennettWong]

LD lost because he took the same game plan to the SO as the one he used in the AE.
LCW came out with a better game plan and LD lost the script :D.
That's why we see LD's confused/lost look.
How time flies and the match is over. :D

Just because LCW won this time it doesn't mean he can win the next time.
As long as both of them keep trading wins, it makes a great rivalry.
And the sports fans wins the most :D

[X Ball]

First of all, XBall I did not put up that '?'. If you want to quote me, at least do it right and above board.

I think there are a few people here that are just too highly strung. Any comments that are not consistent to their liking, they tend to take it personally. Man, these people should lighten up. This is just a forum.

And by the way, I have a cat in my house, since you have this special ability to converse with cats and all, maybe you ought to come by and talk to him as he is pretty choosy with food of late. ;)

That was a question for you - but I guess you answered it.

[X Ball]

If that is the case, then Taufik must be correct that Lindan is a drama king actor cause his performance really convience me. I make some joke with limsy in the past about Lindan working for the WWE after he retire because of his acting skill, didn't know "THAT" would come true.


What came true - LD joining the WWE?


Dr Evil, where is South Town ? Johor ?

[weeyeh]

As long as both of them keep trading wins, it makes a great rivalry.
And the sports fans wins the most :D

Yeah! Let no one man dominate!! That's how I'd love to see the sport.

If the same person wins everytime, badminton will become extremely painful to watch. :D:D

[Joyous]

It's funny how fans can react - my Malaysian counterpart, an ardent fan of LCW wasn't happy despite LCW winning the SO 09. He said LCW shd have nailed the big one - AE 09. I told him that it's better than nothing. He doesn't seemed convinced & explained that ppl/fans will remember TH better cos at least this guy won the WC 05 & Oly 04.

On the other hand, I told him I saw it 'beneficial' for LD that he lost the SO 09 bcos no player can win all the time altho' no player likes to lose. Roger Federer broke down 'unshamefully ' when he lost of Nadal at the AO recently. Some shed tears, some sulk as it hurts to lose. I was glad (so was the commentator) to see LD putting his arm round LCW at the prize ceremony & vice-versa.

Peace & Cheers

[koo_fan]

but look at LD at the ceremony
if he were ok with this loss "as he gouged what lcw can" he were not staying so unpleasant and running out from the court
That's how the theory of "Ld is the best actor" showed up, friend.

[badMania]

Yes, Lee Chong Wei should have taken his chances when he's at the brink of 2 major titles: the Beijing Olympics and the All-England Finals, facing the same opponent. Yet, he failed at both instances, which certainly highlight the point that Lee Chong Wei had yet to overcome his "mental fear" of Lin Dan, especially during the crucial moments which define true greatness and above-average.

However, to condemn him as someone who WILL NOT WIN any major title in his career will be a bit too early. A great champion has the ability to rise from major setbacks and eventually overcome his fears. That's the mark of a true champion! Lin Dan and Taufik Hidayat are perfect examples of such champions.

Taufik Hidayat, despite his great talents and performances in his early careers, COULD ONLY WIN his first major title in 2004 Athens Olympics (if you discount the Asian Games Gold as a major title). He has suffered tremendous setbacks before that:
1. Runner-ups twice in a row at the All England when he's still a junior age (below 19).
2. Failed in the 2000 Sydney Olympics, despite being seeded first.
2. Had to withdraw from the 2001 World Championships due to injury and that too after reaching the SF. Eventually, Hendrawan picked up the Gold Medal and crowned the World Champions!
3. Failed yet again in the 2003 World Championships, losing to Bao Chunlai.

Lin Dan also had to wait for his major titles:
1. Failed in the 2003 WC.
2. Failed big time in the 2004 Athens Olympics as the top-seed, losing to Ronald Susilo in the first round, despite having bagged his first major title, the All-England in the same year.
3. Failed in the 2005 World Championships to Taufik Hidayat in a one-sided contest, much to everyone's surprise (yet again).

So, it's common for Lee Chong Wei to fail several times first before he can become a major title holder, that is, if he does overcome his "mental fear".

[koo_fan]

Yeah! Let no one man dominate!! That's how I'd love to see the sport.

If the same person wins everytime, badminton will become extremely painful to watch. :D:D
Yes. After LD v LCW, What or Who's next?
Shall wait for that.

[patrickchong]

I am Malaysian, of course i am LCW supporter. In the SWISS OPEN 2009 FINAL MATCH, i found that LD attitude very bad.
For me, badminton just a sport or game. Win or Lose no need so care.

[X Ball]

Yes, Lee Chong Wei should have taken his chances when he's at the brink of 2 major titles: the Beijing Olympics and the All-England Finals, facing the same opponent. Yet, he failed at both instances, which certainly highlight the point that Lee Chong Wei had yet to overcome his "mental fear" of Lin Dan, especially during the crucial moments which define true greatness and above-average.

However, to condemn him as someone who WILL NOT WIN any major title in his career will be a bit too early. A great champion has the ability to rise from major setbacks and eventually overcome his fears. That's the mark of a true champion! Lin Dan and Taufik Hidayat are perfect examples of such champions.

Taufik Hidayat, despite his great talents and performances in his early careers, COULD ONLY WIN his first major title in 2004 Athens Olympics (if you discount the Asian Games Gold as a major title). He has suffered tremendous setbacks before that:
1. Runner-ups twice in a row at the All England when he's still a junior age (below 19).
2. Failed in the 2000 Sydney Olympics, despite being seeded first.
2. Had to withdraw from the 2001 World Championships due to injury and that too after reaching the SF. Eventually, Hendrawan picked up the Gold Medal and crowned the World Champions!
3. Failed yet again in the 2003 World Championships, losing to Bao Chunlai.

Lin Dan also had to wait for his major titles:
1. Failed in the 2003 WC.
2. Failed big time in the 2004 Athens Olympics as the top-seed, losing to Ronald Susilo in the first round, despite having bagged his first major title, the All-England in the same year.
3. Failed in the 2005 World Championships to Taufik Hidayat in a one-sided contest, much to everyone's surprise (yet again).

So, it's common for Lee Chong Wei to fail several times first before he can become a major title holder, that is, if he does overcome his "mental fear".


Good research and good comments. I always thought LCW will come good but of course, those LD fans will think otherwise.

[weeyeh]

I am Malaysian, of course i am LCW supporter. In the SWISS OPEN 2009 FINAL MATCH, i found that LD attitude very bad.
For me, badminton just a sport or game. Win or Lose no need so care.

Can you explain how so? I just watched the youtube video of the award ceremony and he didn't seem to exhibit any bad attitude to me. Of course LCW is very very cheery in contrast.

For you, it's just a sport/game but these are professional players. It is their career. Of course LD, like LCW, need to care about his results.

[weeyeh]

Yes. After LD v LCW, What or Who's next?
Shall wait for that.

Going a bit off topic but...

I think currently LD and LCW are so dominant in their games they overshadowed all other players including the more matured ones like Taufik and Gade. At this stage it is quite difficult for the younger ones to put a consistent good showing.

[AlanY]

Yes, Lee Chong Wei should have taken his chances when he's at the brink of 2 major titles: the Beijing Olympics and the All-England Finals, facing the same opponent. Yet, he failed at both instances, which certainly highlight the point that Lee Chong Wei had yet to overcome his "mental fear" of Lin Dan, especially during the crucial moments which define true greatness and above-average.

However, to condemn him as someone who WILL NOT WIN any major title in his career will be a bit too early. A great champion has the ability to rise from major setbacks and eventually overcome his fears. That's the mark of a true champion! Lin Dan and Taufik Hidayat are perfect examples of such champions.

Taufik Hidayat, despite his great talents and performances in his early careers, COULD ONLY WIN his first major title in 2004 Athens Olympics (if you discount the Asian Games Gold as a major title). He has suffered tremendous setbacks before that:
1. Runner-ups twice in a row at the All England when he's still a junior age (below 19).
2. Failed in the 2000 Sydney Olympics, despite being seeded first.
2. Had to withdraw from the 2001 World Championships due to injury and that too after reaching the SF. Eventually, Hendrawan picked up the Gold Medal and crowned the World Champions!
3. Failed yet again in the 2003 World Championships, losing to Bao Chunlai.

Lin Dan also had to wait for his major titles:
1. Failed in the 2003 WC.
2. Failed big time in the 2004 Athens Olympics as the top-seed, losing to Ronald Susilo in the first round, despite having bagged his first major title, the All-England in the same year.
3. Failed in the 2005 World Championships to Taufik Hidayat in a one-sided contest, much to everyone's surprise (yet again).

So, it's common for Lee Chong Wei to fail several times first before he can become a major title holder, that is, if he does overcome his "mental fear".
One big obstacle for LCW is his age, he is not getting any younger. London 2012 is almost 4 years away. LCW will definitely passed his best by date, even LD only one year younger that I don't believe he can keep his current standard let alone to improve on it for the next 3-4 years. MS is so fast and physical demanding that may be they will still around then but not to win, unfortunately.

[X Ball]

One big obstacle for LCW is his age, he is not getting any younger. London 2012 is almost 4 years away. LCW will definitely passed his best by date, even LD only one year younger that I don't believe he can keep his current standard let alone to improve on it for the next 3-4 years. MS is so fast and physical demanding that may be they will still around then but not to win, unfortunately.


With modern training methods, it has been proven the body can go on for a longer time than before. If you look at some of the basketball players they play at the highest level even past 35. The so-called gym has kept many atheletes going strong these days. I think LD and LCW will still compete at a very high level by then, provided they train continuously.

[Tommy Susanto]

One big obstacle for LCW is his age, he is not getting any younger. London 2012 is almost 4 years away. LCW will definitely passed his best by date, even LD only one year younger that I don't believe he can keep his current standard let alone to improve on it for the next 3-4 years. MS is so fast and physical demanding that may be they will still around then but not to win, unfortunately.

On the other hand, Andrew Smith is only getting better aging just like Kenneth Jonason:rolleyes::p:D;)

[AlanY]

With modern training methods, it has been proven the body can go on for a longer time than before. If you look at some of the basketball players they play at the highest level even past 35. The so-called gym has kept many atheletes going strong these days. I think LD and LCW will still compete at a very high level by then, provided they train continuously.
yes, you can go on for longer but can you keep it at the highest level that required for the ultimate goal? you only need a very good 18-20 yrs old (ok, an exceptionally good) and give him a couple of years to mature, almost like when TH and LD started years ago, and both LD and LCW will be history.

[Tommy Susanto]

yes, you can go on for longer but can you keep it at the highest level that required for the ultimate goal? you only need a very good 18-20 yrs old (ok, an exceptionally good) and give him a couple of years to mature, almost like when TH and LD started years ago, and both LD and LCW will be history.


You meant like Blair;)

[X Ball]

yes, you can go on for longer but can you keep it at the highest level that required for the ultimate goal? you only need a very good 18-20 yrs old (ok, an exceptionally good) and give him a couple of years to mature, almost like when TH and LD started years ago, and both LD and LCW will be history.


I wouldn't lose too much sleep over this -- LD and LCW will still be able beat the young guys without viagra.:D

[Tommy Susanto]

Learn from the best in the business: LYB. His technique: Break his leg!
To beat LD is to break his leg:p;):D

[Loh]

On the other hand, Andrew Smith is only getting better aging just like Kenneth Jonason:rolleyes::p:D;)

Just want to know how many majors did both Andrew and KJ win compared with LCW and LD? :rolleyes:

I thought even AS has lost to some younger, as well as older, players recently.;)

[olympic]

Lets see whether Misbun and LCW could work out some sort of the "magic of formula to success".

[AlanY]

Personally I don’t think Misbun is a good enough coach for LCW. With respect Misbun at his hay day wasn’t as good as LCW now. Ok, a good player doesn’t automatically to be a good coach and vice visa. Misbun doesn’t have a good track record as a coach at this level, does he? Misbun being a more patience and defensive playing style that wouldn’t work well for the modern games. LCW needs someone to bring out his attacking style and may be take more chances when needed rather than staying behind and wait.
Isn’t it ironical that the first time the coach not around and LCW won?

[X Ball]

Personally I don’t think Misbun is a good enough coach for LCW. With respect Misbun at his hay day wasn’t as good as LCW now. Ok, a good player doesn’t automatically to be a good coach and vice visa. Misbun doesn’t have a good track record as a coach at this level, does he? Misbun being a more patience and defensive playing style that wouldn’t work well for the modern games. LCW needs someone to bring out his attacking style and may be take more chances when needed rather than staying behind and wait.
Isn’t it ironical that the first time the coach not around and LCW won?


Misbun is a great coach - he being away and LCW winning are not correlated. He corrected LCW after AE and it speaks well of his coaching.

[eaglehelang]

Personally I don’t think Misbun is a good enough coach for LCW. With respect Misbun at his hay day wasn’t as good as LCW now. Ok, a good player doesn’t automatically to be a good coach and vice visa. Misbun doesn’t have a good track record as a coach at this level, does he? Misbun being a more patience and defensive playing style that wouldn’t work well for the modern games. LCW needs someone to bring out his attacking style and may be take more chances when needed rather than staying behind and wait.
Isn’t it ironical that the first time the coach not around and LCW won?

1) Errr, if you mean winning a title, it's not the 1st time, LCW won SSM title without Misbun being there. Vs LD in recent times yes, all the previous 3 times, Misbun was there. LCw told the press Misbun was the one who told him to play a patient game vs Lin Dan in Swiss SS.

2) Li Mao was coaching LCW just before Misbun. LCW was actually declining a few months bf LM left. LCW's game was starting to follow too much China style (I think), his game getting predictable. Misbun has been said to bring back the "original" LCW, plus of course the calming effect, which is better for LCW.
I'm not saying Li Mao was not a good coach, Misbun is more suited to LCW.

3) Perhaps Rashid Sidek has brought some different elements/ideas, now that he's also chief singles coach. :D:D;)

[AlanY]

we all know that LCW is champion material. but together with his current and pass coaching teams he is still not there yet. that may be a bit harsh as being the world no 1 and definitely has the egde over everyone else with the exception of 'you know who' is very good for anyone's standard. what i'm saying is may be with another coach he can achieve even higher and quicker. as i said before tiime is not on his side.

[huangkwokhau]

Personally I don’t think Misbun is a good enough coach for LCW. With respect Misbun at his hay day wasn’t as good as LCW now. Ok, a good player doesn’t automatically to be a good coach and vice visa. Misbun doesn’t have a good track record as a coach at this level, does he? Misbun being a more patience and defensive playing style that wouldn’t work well for the modern games. LCW needs someone to bring out his attacking style and may be take more chances when needed rather than staying behind and wait.
Isn’t it ironical that the first time the coach not around and LCW won?
It is not first time that LCW won when Misbun was not around..in finall SS recently, Misbun was away also and LCW won...for some players,there is good if coach is around, others do not want it ( like some chinese players prefer LYB on the bench..make them more nervous)....;)

[huangkwokhau]

we all know that LCW is champion material. but together with his current and pass coaching teams he is still not there yet. that may be a bit harsh as being the world no 1 and definitely has the egde over everyone else with the exception of 'you know who' is very good for anyone's standard. what i'm saying is may be with another coach he can achieve even higher and quicker. as i said before tiime is not on his side.
I may agree with you...it is just tough for LCW to change the coach right now as he is not young anymore..I think LCW has everything except his mental toughness....

[AlanY]

I may agree with you...it is just tough for LCW to change the coach right now as he is not young anymore..I think LCW has everything except his mental toughness....
only if he is not happy with Misbun's services that we'll never konw. the best time would be just after last olympics and have a fresh start.

[eaglehelang]

only if he is not happy with Misbun's services that we'll never konw. the best time would be just after last olympics and have a fresh start.

LCW had to 'fight' to get Misbun's services in the 1st place. After Li Mao left for Korea, they were supposed to train under Wong Tat Meng (LM's assistant coach). But LCW wanted to go back to his old sifu Misbun, finally BAM agreed, supposed to be until OG 2008 only. But now, looks like permanent. ;)

As for influence of another coach,as I've said bf, now with Rashid at the helm at chief singles coach, he could have some different ideas he can input.

[Oldhand]

LCW had to 'fight' to get Misbun's services in the 1st place. After Li Mao left for Korea, they were supposed to train under Wong Tat Meng (LM's assistant coach). But LCW wanted to go back to his old sifu Misbun, finally BAM agreed, supposed to be until OG 2008 only. But now, looks like permanent. ;)

As for influence of another coach,as I've said bf, now with Rashid at the helm at chief singles coach, he could have some different ideas he can input.

If Misbun Sidek and his brother Rashid are the magicians you make them out to be, how come they haven't been able to propel anyone else to the top, much less to a title? :rolleyes:

How come these 'different ideas' aren't translating to at least minimal success in say, Kuan Beng Hong's case?

How about Wong Mew Choo?

She has had the benefit of learning from not just the two coaches but also from Lee Chong Wei - the World Number One. However, despite these so-called 'different ideas', her showing at Beijing was pathetic, to say the least!

I'd say Misbun and Rashid are riding Lee Chong Wei's natural talent for this sport. They should be happy that they have a ward like him - a natural athlete with explosive motor skills, a quick brain and a tremendously pliant physique. Granted that Misbun is very observant - but then so is any good coach.

Had Chong Wei not been passed on to them from Li Mao, the Sideks would have faded into professional oblivion a long time ago :o

[koo_fan]

only if he is not happy with Misbun's services that we'll never konw. the best time would be just after last olympics and have a fresh start.
He'd tried Li Mao once. Don't think other coaches can tackle him better than Misbun.
Well, give me one name

[AlanY]

He'd tried Li Mao once. Don't think other coaches can tackle him better than Misbun.
Well, give me one name
in terms of to develope as a more complete and attacking minded player Tian XianHu(Chn) must be the best with Morten Frost, Park Joo Bong among the others.
if the ways to defeat LD I say get Li Mao back.

[madbad]

in terms of to develope as a more complete and attacking minded player Tian XianHu(Chn) must be the best with Morten Frost, Park Joo Bong among the others.
if the ways to defeat LD I say get Li Mao back.

When Li Mao coached LCW, he employed an all out attack strategy that put LD under a lot of pressure. As you age it's not that easy to us this strategy. While I agree LCW must get more aggressive he's got to play within the physical limitations of his body.

[cooler]

i'm getting a mix signal here, LCW would get confused too if reading this thread. I saw one camp voting for more attacking to keep LD off balance(06 MO with Li Mao as coach), and another camp saying more long rallying (09 Swiss open with misbun/rashid as coach).

[koo_fan]

I don't know if we should now looking for a new coach merely because we are desperate to have him winning ( over Ld esp) , LCw's age factor is one thing, but, i doubt if we can enjoy LCw's game again with a new coach. He's being a LCW with Misbun.

LCw is good.No AE, WC, etc. Does it change that fact? For me, no.
We should only ask how far this duo can go.

[jamesd20]

He'd tried Li Mao once. Don't think other coaches can tackle him better than Misbun.
Well, give me one name

Tang Xian Fu......

[Athelete1234]

i'm getting a mix signal here, LCW would get confused too if reading this thread. I saw one camp voting for more attacking to keep LD off balance(06 MO with Li Mao as coach), and another camp saying more long rallying (09 Swiss open with misbun/rashid as coach).
IMO, LCW can play fast or slow, but unless he has the ability to impose his own pace and change it to mess up his opponents like LD, it doesn't really matter how fast his game is.

[cooler]

IMO, LCW can play fast or slow, but unless he has the ability to impose his own pace and change it to mess up his opponents like LD, it doesn't really matter how fast his game is.
no matter how fast??? hmmm, u dunno how fast i want to be:p

[Han]

i'm getting a mix signal here, LCW would get confused too if reading this thread. I saw one camp voting for more attacking to keep LD off balance(06 MO with Li Mao as coach), and another camp saying more long rallying (09 Swiss open with misbun/rashid as coach).

Nothing wrong of using whatever method as long as it works. More options are better than less option and I don't like using the same long rally like in Swiss Open against Lin Dan, way to predictable and easy for Lin Dan to prepare. I think Chong Wei should mix Li Mao attacking philosophy into his play to neutralize Lin Dan assaults, just my opinion.

[cooler]

Nothing wrong of using whatever method as long as it works. More options are better than less option and I don't like using the same long rally like in Swiss Open against Lin Dan, way to predictable and easy for Lin Dan to prepare. I think Chong Wei should mix Li Mao attacking philosophy into his play to neutralize Lin Dan assaults, just my opinion.of course knowing many styles will add to player's arsenal. In each case tho, more speed is always better for any styles. U forgot one other style, the drunken style for fighting or the play dumb style works for me in badminton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9wq7QC1Qi0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0I-sYh_Te4

[AlanY]

in terms of to develope as a more complete and attacking minded player Tian XianHu(Chn) must be the best


Tang Xian Fu......
great minds think alike. or is it just pretty boys?