Taufik Hidayat at the 2009 Swiss Open [Archive] - Badminton Central Discussion Forums

chris-ccc

03-09-2009, 09:55 PM

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Taufik Hidayat at the 2009 Swiss Open

TH is seeded 7 in this tournament. He is in the top half of the draw, together with LCW(1) and PG(4).

Round of 32: He will be facing Ville Lang [FIN]
Round of 16: Sho Sasaki [JPN] or a qualifier
Quarter-Finals: An expected match between TH and LCW

At the 2009 All England, TH was defeated by LCW at the Semi-Finals (just 3 days ago). If TH can defeat LCW here at the Swiss Open, he would be expected to face PG at the Semi-Finals. At the 2009 All England, TH defeated PG at the Quarter-Finals.

So here we are again interested in how TH can progress through the many rounds.

LD(2) is located in the bottom half of the draw. It is expected that LD will reach the Finals.

Will there be a 'Taufik Hidayat vs Lin Dan' Final at the 2009 Swiss Open?

chris-ccc
:):):)
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apu4life

03-09-2009, 10:07 PM

omg i really do hope this time taufik gets his revenge on LCW :D would be fun to watch

ronnie14

03-09-2009, 10:07 PM

yeay..go taufik!!!

leanooi

03-10-2009, 01:19 AM

I predict that Taufik would meet a chinese player (Weijie Gong) in the round of 16. I think it should be a close match and Gong may win without any surprise.

chris-ccc

03-10-2009, 02:01 AM

I predict that Taufik would meet a chinese player (Weijie Gong) in the round of 16. I think it should be a close match and Gong may win without any surprise.

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Yes, Gong Weijie has been playing well lately.

GWJ would probably defeat...
(1) Jan Vondra at Qualification Round 1
(2) Tanongsak Saensomboonsuk at Qualification Round 2
(3) Sho Sasaki at Round of 32
before challenging Taufik Hidayat at the Round of 16.

This GWJ-TH match would be a tough one for Taufik.
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volcom

03-10-2009, 02:24 AM

Last time in China Open, Taufik whipped GWJ

Hopefully if GWJ can make it this time, he will be much better.

phaarix

03-10-2009, 02:25 AM

I think GWJ beat PG somewhat recently also right? Hope he can get his ranking up to where it should be soon :).

jutawin

03-10-2009, 02:36 AM

Hope taufik can do better than at All England..

jasonmarc

03-10-2009, 03:06 AM

I think GWJ beat PG somewhat recently also right? Hope he can get his ranking up to where it should be soon :).

That shd be in last year's Chn Open.....right....?:rolleyes:

george@chongwei

03-10-2009, 04:18 AM

all the best to him in the swiss open!
!:)

leanooi

03-10-2009, 04:37 AM

I think GWJ beat PG somewhat recently also right? Hope he can get his ranking up to where it should be soon :).

GWJ beat PG twice last year in the Japan open & the Hong Kong Open super series. Both times were close. GWJ won in the 1st round of the Japan Super series 21-17, 23-25, 21-18. In the Hong Kong series he won in the round of 16, 12-21, 22-20, 24-22.

george@chongwei

03-10-2009, 05:32 AM

limsy

03-10-2009, 05:32 AM

GWJ beat PG twice last year in the Japan open & the Hong Kong Open super series. Both times were close. GWJ won in the 1st round of the Japan Super series 21-17, 23-25, 21-18. In the Hong Kong series he won in the round of 16, 12-21, 22-20, 24-22.

no...gwj beat pg 4 time...since co in 2006...;)...gwj is famous of defeating pg....;)...well...anyway...sho sasaki is on form...so....i hope th meet lcw again....;)

leanooi

03-10-2009, 05:55 AM

no...gwj beat pg 4 time...since co in 2006...;)...gwj is famous of defeating pg....;)...well...anyway...sho sasaki is on form...so....i hope th meet lcw again....;)

Sho lost to GWJ in the recently completed German open in straight set, 21-15 & 21-18. So if GWJ is true to form he should be able to overcome Sho. If GWJ can beat Taufik he may be a treat to LCW. (By the way GWJ easily beat Li Yu in recent encounter ).

limsy

03-10-2009, 06:03 AM

Sho lost to GWJ in the recently completed German open in straight set, 21-15 & 21-18. So if GWJ is true to form he should be able to overcome Sho. If GWJ can beat Taufik he may be a treat to LCW. (By the way GWJ easily beat Li Yu in recent encounter ).

hehe....yes....i know...hehe....gwj is not tat consistence yet..:rolleyes:...hehe...hope we can see some good fight in swiss open...:)

nick.h

03-10-2009, 07:30 AM

chris-ccc

03-10-2009, 07:54 AM

i apologize if im beling a little pessimistic...but i doubt taufik will reach the semi...i deliberately went to see taufik play in birmingham and was utterly disappointed by the way he played against LCW...

based on what i saw that day, taufik did not have any confidence facing LCW...as if he didnt want to win the AE title, very disappointing...but i truly hope he can turn things around in swiss open...

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In the rounds before the AE SF, TH was playing well. So said many BCers who watched him played.

Perhaps what TH said in his blog is true; that LCW was just too good for him on Semi-Finals Day.
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X Ball

03-10-2009, 08:15 AM

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In the rounds before the AE SF, TH was playing well. So said many BCers who watched him played.

Perhaps what TH said in his blog is true; that LCW was just too good for him on Semi-Finals Day.
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Taufik can be tough to beat on his day. I think if he keeps at it, he might start to get his form back with a few more physical outings. His desire may rekindle if he gets beaten too many times. As the saying goes, when it gets tough, the tough gets going.

badadum

03-10-2009, 08:20 AM

chris-ccc

03-10-2009, 08:42 AM

TH should be able to beat VL in straight set. Not so sure if he can do that against GWJ or Tanongsak though. Depending on his stamina level, it can be a firefight against LCW in QF....or a repeat of AE SF.

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Yes, we could predict that LCW could get to the Quarter-Finals.

And, assuming that TH can defeat VL, and predicting that GWJ can progress into the Main Draw, then TH will need to defeat Sho Sasaki or GWJ in Round 2, before we arrive at another 'Big Match' at the Quarter-Finals: The "TH vs LCW Rematch".

:):):)
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lawcc

03-10-2009, 08:51 AM

chris-ccc

03-10-2009, 09:14 AM

then we need to :rolleyes::rolleyes: wait untill LCW defeat BOONsak lo...

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Correct ... If LCW is to meet TH at the Quarter-Finals, then LCW will need to defeat some experienced players first, namely;

KT (JPN) in Round 1, and then
EP (NED) or BP (THA) in Round 2.

IMHO, LCW can do it.
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jutawin

03-10-2009, 10:51 AM

All the best to Indonesia players at Swiss open..

ye333

03-10-2009, 03:03 PM

I don't think GWJ will be a tougher opponent for TH than Sasaki. Although GWJ is a bit better than Sasaki, TH even in his prime always has difficulty dealing with players who are willing and able to run like hell. Sasaki is of that type while GWJ is not.

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Yes, Gong Weijie has been playing well lately.

GWJ would probably defeat...
(1) Jan Vondra at Qualification Round 1
(2) Tanongsak Saensomboonsuk at Qualification Round 2
(3) Sho Sasaki at Round of 32
before challenging Taufik Hidayat at the Round of 16.

This GWJ-TH match would be a tough one for Taufik.
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indra

03-10-2009, 09:50 PM

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In the rounds before the AE SF, TH was playing well. So said many BCers who watched him played.

Perhaps what TH said in his blog is true; that LCW was just too good for him on Semi-Finals Day.
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Oh...I forgot something....as AE was his first independent journey as a fully professional player...it was considered " a driving test"....

As TH has not demonstrated his 7 weapons of mass destruction, perhaps we must be a bit patient....But LCW and LD should watch out....:D

cooler

03-10-2009, 10:48 PM

Oh...I forgot something....as AE was his first independent journey as a fully professional player...it was considered " a driving test"....

As TH has not demonstrated his 7 weapons of mass destruction, perhaps we must be a bit patient....But LCW and LD should watch out....:D

u again showed us u have better stamina than taufik lol.
I had praised u on your TH cheering stamina, A1 quality!!!!
Driving test? If TH's playability is that weak and sensitive to who is his sponsors, u r fooling yourself coz u can't fool me. This 09 AE was his most wanted title since 2005, he went and really prepared for it, all he achieved was QF. Let me tell you, if TH was still under PBSI, he would skipped swiss open for some rest since swiss isn't a big tournament. However, since he is now an independent contractor, HE HAS TO WORK or at least going through the motion of doing some playing. No play no pay LOL. Welcome to the real world, TH.

koo_fan

03-10-2009, 10:55 PM

No play no pay LOL.

Taufik's ready! Well, AE's not doing so bad for him. I think he had better result when he's out of PBSI.
And pardon me, but i guess he's being payed more without PBSI. No 'share-share' la.

volcom

03-10-2009, 11:00 PM

He played much better in Chinese Taipei open finals last year...
First game his smashes were much stronger than they are now.

bramyes

03-11-2009, 10:33 AM

TH also hope all the champion ..
I fan of TH.
see the beautiful game.
sponsor and fan TH happy

chris-ccc

03-11-2009, 11:11 AM

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In just around 2 hours' time, we shall have Taufik's Round 1 match:
Taufik HIDAYAT [7] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&player=7)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&c=INA) -vs- http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/FIN.gif[FIN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&c=FIN)Ville LANG (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&player=26)
Prediction: TH to win (21-16, 21-16, in 0:38)

Gong Weijie has already played his Round 1 match:
Weijie GONG (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&player=41)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&c=CHN) defeated http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/JPN.gif[JPN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&c=JPN)Sho SASAKI (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=E70F8453-644F-4B5D-AA44-FD4C36206252&player=18) 21-16, 22-20, in 0:36

:):):)
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george@chongwei

03-11-2009, 11:14 AM

chris-ccc

03-11-2009, 11:34 AM

lmao, u predicted the score too :D

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:D:D:D Just for fun. :D:D:D

BTW, tomorrow, LCW will play Boonsack Ponsana in Round 2.
The winner will face either TH or GWJ at the Quarter-Finals.
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Destricto_Ense

03-11-2009, 12:16 PM

I would rate Sho Sasaki higher than Gong Weijie. Chen Jin played both of them in the AE and found Sasaki much tougher to deal with.

ye333

03-11-2009, 12:18 PM

GWJ defeated Sasaki this morning... :D

Also CJ has always been very good at beating GWJ.

I would rate Sho Sasaki higher than Gong Weijie. Chen Jin played both of them in the AE and found Sasaki much tougher to deal with.

Destricto_Ense

03-11-2009, 12:27 PM

Oh, ha :P

I blame not having the livestream working -_-

chris-ccc

03-11-2009, 12:31 PM

I would rate Sho Sasaki higher than Gong Weijie. Chen Jin played both of them in the AE and found Sasaki much tougher to deal with.

GWJ defeated Sasaki this morning... :D

Also CJ has always been very good at beating GWJ.

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That's why we find it difficult to predict winners for our Badminton matches.

Let's consider 3 players: A, B and C.
If A can defeat B, and B can defeat C, it doesn't mean that A can defeat C easily.

:):):)
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leanooi

03-11-2009, 11:16 PM

Just on prediction I predict GWJ to beat Taufik in a close match to-morrow morning.

george@chongwei

03-12-2009, 01:50 AM

it will be a tight 1;)

Destricto_Ense

03-12-2009, 12:31 PM

Only an hour to go.. I think.

chris-ccc

03-12-2009, 12:54 PM

Only an hour to go.. I think.

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TH to win with his talent and experience. GWJ to win with his stamina and fitness.
Yes, soon we shall know the outcome.
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cooler

03-12-2009, 01:08 PM

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TH to win with his talent and experience. GWJ to win with his stamina and fitness.
Yes, soon we shall know the outcome.
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just look at this paw ratio:rolleyes:

chris-ccc

03-12-2009, 01:22 PM

just look at this paw ratio :rolleyes:

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PAW Games are really for gambling/betting for points. :):):)
One can pick TH to get 6 points, or GWJ to get 17.

More PAWers have decided to gamble to get more points.
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cooler

03-12-2009, 01:42 PM

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PAW Games are really for gambling/betting for points. :):):)
One can pick TH to get 6 points, or GWJ to get 17.

More PAWers have decided to gamble to get more points.
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the objective of gambling is to win too, not to lose
If they really likes big points, how come they don't paw against LD?

chris-ccc

03-12-2009, 02:00 PM

the objective of gambling is to win too, not to lose
If they really likes big points, how come they don't paw against LD?

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:D:D:D I can't answer for them. Let's see if anyone will answer your question.
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cooler

03-12-2009, 02:11 PM

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:D:D:D I can't answer for them. Let's see if anyone will answer your question.
.ditto here too lah :D

koo_fan

03-12-2009, 02:47 PM

how come they don't paw against LD?

The vote against Ld - Risktakers will do that.
Question is, are u one of them?

yen_saw

03-12-2009, 02:47 PM

........................... sorry wrong post

cooler

03-12-2009, 02:59 PM

The vote against Ld - Risktakers will do that.
Question is, are u one of them?
me, pawing against LD? r u seriously asking me that question:confused:

yen_saw

03-12-2009, 03:07 PM

Pawning against LD!... now that's what I call a real risk taker:p

koo_fan

03-12-2009, 04:27 PM

me, pawing against LD? r u seriously asking me that question:confused:
cooler, try to be unpredictable sometimes.

abedeng

03-12-2009, 09:46 PM

I saw Taufik's match on livestreaming with GWJ, he was very sharp in the 3rd game, which I wouldn't expect given his generally suspect fitness.

koo_fan

03-12-2009, 09:51 PM

I saw Taufik's match on livestreaming with GWJ, he was very sharp in the 3rd game, which I wouldn't expect given his generally suspect fitness.
Take my advice.Don't judge his game until it's quarterfinal and semifinal.Pretty hard to predict his next game.
i hope he can give Chong Wei a good game.
LCw need it to be ready for another tough game.Good luck to both!

jasonmarc

03-12-2009, 09:54 PM

I saw Taufik's match on livestreaming with GWJ, he was very sharp in the 3rd game, which I wouldn't expect given his generally suspect fitness.

Really..? Thats mean LCW will be in danger.....the real TH is back....again..

The lost in AE SF, have make him more determine to win something here. Beware LCW, LD better be prepared for TH ... in the final. ;);)

chris-ccc

03-12-2009, 10:28 PM

Really..? Thats mean LCW will be in danger.....the real TH is back....again..

The lost in AE SF, have make him more determine to win something here. Beware LCW, LD better be prepared for TH ... in the final. ;);)

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Even though I am monitoring Taufik Hidayat in this thread, I am also a fan of Lee Chong Wei as well.

TH failed at the AE last week at the SF against LCW. But today, at the 2009 Swiss Open QF, I predict that TH can gather his skills together to defeat LCW.

Let's wait and see.

:):):)
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danielwong

03-12-2009, 10:33 PM

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Even though I am monitoring Taufik Hidayat in this thread, I am also a fan of Lee Chong Wei as well.

TH failed at the AE last week at the SF against LCW. But today, at the 2009 Swiss Open QF, I predict that TH can gather his skills together to defeat LCW.

Let's wait and see.

:):):)
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may the best man win on that day :):):)
come on LCW...come on TH

CLELY

03-13-2009, 12:45 AM

After a gruelling match last night against Gong Weijie, possibly TH will be stopped by world #1 today.

ctjcad

03-13-2009, 12:49 AM

..i will be surprised if Taufik pulls one out vs. Dato LCW, in 2 or 3 games..

Han

03-13-2009, 01:21 AM

..i will be surprised if Taufik pulls one out vs. Dato LCW, in 2 or 3 games..

Unless Taufik screctly gone thru "underground" training else I can't see him out pace and out last Chong Wei. Just hope for a good match!

ctjcad

03-13-2009, 01:29 AM

..whoever loses the match, between LCW vs. TH, that person should be taking an "underground" secret training for the next 2 months..:cool:

madbad

03-13-2009, 01:43 AM

Prior to his meeting with LCW in the AE, TH had a tough victory against an illustrious opponent in PG. We all thought he was back and ready to plunder. LCW wiped the floor with him

Now in the SO, TH has come through another tough match (any match against a CHN opponent is tough) and has to face LCW. Sounds familiar?

To be fair, I'm sure TH must have learned something from last week's defeat. The problem is I can't see him outlasting LCW.

cooler

03-13-2009, 01:57 AM

Unless Taufik screctly gone thru "underground" training else I can't see him out pace and out last Chong Wei. Just hope for a good match!
i see it on past cases, TH is a spent ****** after winning a tough match. PM me if u r curious enough to know what ****** is:p

george@chongwei

03-13-2009, 02:40 AM

i see it on past cases, TH is a spent ****** after winning a tough match. PM me if u r curious enough to know what ****** is:p
i just knew u are in Ice Cave now:cool::D

george@chongwei

03-13-2009, 02:41 AM

i guess it will surely be an interesting match for us to watch..
i hope this 2 players can go all out to win this match.
and, yeah, may the best man win.
my heart is with lee chong wei though this time:D..shh

jutawin

03-13-2009, 02:49 AM

http://www.flipmytext.com/smiley/create.php?id=grey%5E_%5Earial%5E_%5E2%5E_%5E0%5E_ %5ETaufik+is+still+unpredictable..%5E_%5E.gif (http://www.flipmytext.com)

limsy

03-13-2009, 03:19 AM

post number 64 is most accurate

teddbaker

03-13-2009, 04:27 AM

go TH... beat LD in the finals... :)

eaglehelang

03-13-2009, 05:36 AM

.......

To be fair, I'm sure TH must have learned something from last week's defeat. The problem is I can't see him outlasting LCW.

Wah madbad, the way you say, like Taufik is a 33 year old uncle, he's only 1 yr older than LCW. I wouldnt think that of 32/33 y.o. PG or 31 y.o WCH. :p

PPS : Today, your ambulance service ready?

Destricto_Ense

03-13-2009, 08:35 AM

Has Taufik been playing at the top level for longer than LCW though? Taufik does seem wearier in general than Chong Wei.

badadum

03-13-2009, 09:18 AM

Has Taufik been playing at the top level for longer than LCW though? Taufik does seem wearier in general than Chong Wei.

Taufik first AE final is all the way back in 1999.....that's how long he's been a factor in MS.
But the so-called "wearier" can be contributed to lack of conditioning. :p

Destricto_Ense

03-13-2009, 09:21 AM

Well, by wearier I meant more long lasting injuries.. his back and knee problems.

rinewy

03-13-2009, 10:05 AM

chris-ccc

03-13-2009, 10:51 AM

i'm really glad that there's stil alot of TH's supporter to look up upon him to win some tournaments although he didn't quite give us a surprise until now( which i really wanted to c that happen)...wish him de best! go taufik!

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From what I hear and see, TH is still the second most popular MS player.
LD is most popular, LCW comes third and PG fourth.
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jutawin

03-13-2009, 11:32 AM

Taufik still the Best lah....

robin7

03-13-2009, 11:50 AM

Wah madbad, the way you say, like Taufik is a 33 year old uncle, he's only 1 yr older than LCW. I wouldnt think that of 32/33 y.o. PG or 31 y.o WCH. :p
Eagle, TH is two years older than his official age and was born in 1979 according to our trusted source which I am not gonna reveal...

TH is 1979-1982=3 years old than LCW. Indeed, TH already starts playing like a 30 yo uncle imo. :p

limsy

03-13-2009, 11:54 AM

Eagle, TH is two years older than his official age and was born in 1979 according to our trusted source which I am not gonna reveal...

i tot this is open secret????:eek:

thejym

03-13-2009, 11:58 AM

Go Taufik!!

Too many people were cheering for LCW in AE, I wonder if that bothered him?

TrueBlue

03-13-2009, 12:01 PM

taufik is the best his skills fly higher than the birds

jutawin

03-13-2009, 12:01 PM

In Taufik's Biography, it said he was born in 1981.

madbad

03-13-2009, 12:02 PM

Wah madbad, the way you say, like Taufik is a 33 year old uncle, he's only 1 yr older than LCW. I wouldnt think that of 32/33 y.o. PG or 31 y.o WCH. :p

PPS : Today, your ambulance service ready?

Age is not the only factor. His dislike for training, his smoking and his love for party time all add up too. Just look at his court movement and you can see a noticeable difference against speed players like LCW and LD.

Ambulance revved up and ready if anyone needs it. Cuties, as always, get priority :D

thejym

03-13-2009, 12:03 PM

Age is not the only factor. His dislike for training, his smoking and his love for party time all add up too. Just look at his court movement and you can see a noticeable difference against speed players like LCW and LD.

Ambulance revved up and ready if anyone needs it. Cuties, as always, get priority :D

Taufik smokes?!

cooler

03-13-2009, 12:04 PM

Taufik smokes?!
yes, off court....

madbad

03-13-2009, 12:08 PM

Taufik smokes?!

Indonesia badminton has been sponsored by cigarette companies for many years. It's almost inevitable that some of their players smoke.

thejym

03-13-2009, 12:13 PM

badadum

03-13-2009, 12:35 PM

Oh I had no idea... I didn't think that a world class athlete would smoke (but then again look at Michael Phelps? lol). I don't think pure talent is going to be able to win out against fitness and speed this time around... :(

Yet he did it twice against LCW late last year, and Peter did it in KO earlier this year.
The odds are definitely against them, but the possibility is still there.

chris-ccc

03-13-2009, 12:46 PM

In Taufik's Biography, it said he was born in 1981.

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Taufik Hidayat was born on 10-Aug-1981.

Oldhand has a thread for Professional Players’ birthdays: click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65994)
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madbad

03-13-2009, 12:48 PM

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Taufik Hidayat was born on 10-Aug-1981.

Oldhand has a thread for Professional Players’ birthdays: click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65994)
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LIke robin7 said, a reliable source confirms his age as being otherwise. I tend to believe this reliable source.

george@chongwei

03-13-2009, 12:49 PM

LIke robin7 said, a reliable source confirms his age as being otherwise. I tend to believe this reliable source.
i tend to agree with this;)

chris-ccc

03-13-2009, 01:03 PM

LIke robin7 said, a reliable source confirms his age as being otherwise. I tend to believe this reliable source.

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Actually, I am surprised that BWF is not interested in players' age.

Whoever's age I have checked at BWF, I have found it left blank. :eek::eek::eek:
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Destricto_Ense

03-13-2009, 01:14 PM

What benefit would concealing his real age be? :/

thejym

03-13-2009, 03:24 PM

Aw that's it for Taufik in this tournament... he lost to LCW 21-19 in the third set. Just missed his last shot by a hair... :(

george@chongwei

03-13-2009, 03:28 PM

Aw that's it for Taufik in this tournament... he lost to LCW 21-19 in the third set. Just missed his last shot by a hair... :(
yep, just inches wide!
anyway, great game played by him today:)

eRa@에라

03-13-2009, 03:33 PM

yes he played a great game forcing LCW to make errors.. wish him luck next time...:)

wongccw

03-13-2009, 03:33 PM

just wonder anyone have TH's 1999 all england finial video? >.<'''

wongccw

03-13-2009, 03:34 PM

and have any one have recored the match just play by TH and LCW?

thejym

03-13-2009, 03:42 PM

yep, just inches wide!
anyway, great game played by him today:)

Oh haha was it? I was watching on a 13" screen streaming live and no instant replay :( Really good rally though.

dassad

03-13-2009, 03:43 PM

and have any one have recored the match just play by TH and LCW?
oh you can be sure it will be a lot of videos from QF

Jestin

03-13-2009, 06:17 PM

Taufik got a standing ovation at the Swissopen today.

chris-ccc

03-13-2009, 08:29 PM

Taufik got a standing ovation at the Swiss Open today.

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Jestin ... Were you there watching live? Lucky you. :):):)

But regardless of whether we are fans of Taufik or not, we have to admire him for being so determined to try to make a big comeback.

Well Done Taufik Hidayat !!! :cool::cool::cool:

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phaarix

03-13-2009, 09:05 PM

That's more like it, that's what I like to see! Fight to the very end :).

jasonmarc

03-13-2009, 09:20 PM

yep, just inches wide!
anyway, great game played by him today:)

:eek:..Inches wide...U said 'missed a shot by a hair'........:confused:..

phaarix

03-13-2009, 09:23 PM

Heheh, maybe inches in the not so literal sense (I didn't watch it).

jutawin

03-13-2009, 09:42 PM

Taufik lost.
Try next time..

koo_fan

03-13-2009, 10:05 PM

george@chongwei

03-14-2009, 12:03 AM

:eek:..Inches wide...U said 'missed a shot by a hair'........:confused:..
yep, just inchies wide;):eek:
that was close though but obviously the shuttle is out;)

jasonmarc

03-14-2009, 12:25 AM

Well done TH.....................

limsy

03-14-2009, 01:16 AM

yep, just inchies wide;):eek:
that was close though but obviously the shuttle is out;)

u ah....say close liao...still inchies wide????inch is 2.5 cm...so...acording to ur describe...should be a few mm only...:rolleyes:

limsy

03-14-2009, 01:17 AM

its is a good match....no shame about ur 2nd defeat in a row...th....

cooler

03-14-2009, 01:39 AM

its is a good match....no shame about ur 2nd defeat in a row...th....u say that all the time to lcw too lol

extremenanopowe

03-14-2009, 02:41 AM

Th really need to slim down to win this. Talent is just not enough. Its brutal. ;)

chris-ccc

03-14-2009, 02:44 AM

u say that all the time to lcw too lol

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cooler ... Come on. Let's be fair. :(:(:(

Taufik did try his best and the Swiss crowd and most our BCers appreciated his effort.
We don't need to rub it in that Taufik failed again at the 2009 Swiss Open.
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jasonmarc

03-14-2009, 02:45 AM

Th really need to slim down to win this. Talent is just not enough. Its brutal. ;)

I think he's just nice...not fat, dont expect him to be like LCW, so skinny...:D

cooler

03-14-2009, 02:54 AM

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cooler ... Come on. Let's be fair. :(:(:(

Taufik did try his best and the Swiss crowd and most our BCers appreciated his effort.
We don't need to rub it in that Taufik failed again at the 2009 Swiss Open.
.u should read carefully before joining in discussion. I wasn't talking about TH:rolleyes:

extremenanopowe

03-14-2009, 02:55 AM

chris-ccc

03-14-2009, 03:19 AM

u should read carefully before joining in discussion. I wasn't talking about TH:rolleyes:

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:D:D:D This thread is for Taufik.

Most of our BCers are confused as to why your posts are always twisting and turning, and getting away from the topic of the thraed. :confused::confused::confused:
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limsy

03-14-2009, 03:22 AM

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:D:D:D This thread is for Taufik.

Most of our BCers are confused as to why your posts are always twisting and turning, and getting away from the topic of the thraed. :confused::confused::confused:
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agree...i always catch no ball....:rolleyes:...cz his english tooooooooo good....:crying:....

cooler

03-14-2009, 03:29 AM

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:D:D:D This thread is for Taufik.

Most of our BCers are confused as to why your posts are always twisting and turning, and getting away from the topic of the thraed. :confused::confused::confused:
.of course u dont understand, that post of mine was meant for george chong wei. If u find my posts are too twisty and curvy, you shouldn't be walking on it.

chris-ccc

03-14-2009, 03:30 AM

jasonmarc

03-14-2009, 03:35 AM

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:p:p:p extremenanopower ... When you return to Melbourne, Australia, I shall explain to you what TH was trying to do, as he is playing with his current state of condition/fitness.
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Chriss, cant u pls explain it here.......Pls:p

chris-ccc

03-14-2009, 03:42 AM

of course u dont understand, that post of mine was meant for george chong wei. If u find my posts are too twisty and curvy, you shouldn't be walking on it.

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I shall say no more. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Let's return to discuss our great Taufik, one of our current more talented Badminton players.

:):):)
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chris-ccc

03-14-2009, 03:51 AM

Chris, cant u pls explain it here.......Pls :p

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A 1,000+ words essay??? Too much time is required. :p:p:p

Actually, I had the pleasure to meet up with extremenanopower when he visited us at Melbourne, Australia.

I was just sending a personal message to him.
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jimmycass

03-14-2009, 04:22 AM

I thought Taufik got robbed yesterday on LCW's match point. Was such an intense rally with what I thought was a poor call. Shuttle looked in. Bet he was gutted!

whp90

03-14-2009, 04:27 AM

Can you imagine that TH can still play very good game even though that he is smoker ???
How about if he is non-smoker... I think no one can beat him... hahahaha...:)

But sadly... many state players (Province players) in Indonesia are smoker....
The other day, I saw some state players (in Tangerrang) play very hard with others (for money sake, bet again each other) and after that they were smoking outside... :(
I wonder why Indonesian players how they manage their physical endurance... ???

kwun

03-14-2009, 04:41 AM

jasonmarc

03-14-2009, 04:51 AM

phaarix

03-14-2009, 05:21 AM

The first time I see him playing in AE semi really surprised me with his figure. Not suitable for top class badminton. ;) You can see him struggling to take drop shots. Its like no spring on the legs to push back to base. Its like a one way ticket to the net. His knees and back must be hurting. ;)

Yes he seems to really struggle with a lot of drop shots if he isn't perfectly positioned for them. He'll often get some of the tougher ones back but makes it look like a real effort (but hey at least he's making the effort now!) and will not be in an ideal position for the next shot.

I still really like what I'm seeing though. He's at a good level now, and I don't feel disappointed after watching his matches anymore, because he's really a whole new person on court compared to a year or two ago, when he often looked like he didn't even want to be there...

extremenanopowe

03-14-2009, 07:05 AM

Aiyo.. you can assume I am in Melbourne lor...
:p
Share with the other folks lah.:D

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:p:p:p extremenanopower ... When you return to Melbourne, Australia, I shall explain to you what TH was trying to do, as he is playing with his current state of condition/fitness.
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ctjcad

03-14-2009, 08:22 AM

..anyone surprised at his result??..
Thank you, Taufik, for coming and participating in the AE & Swiss Open. If only to entertain the many fans. I guess, now, we'll be expecting you to go back into another full-mode training regime, maybe now an "underground" secret training for the next couple of months??..Oh, wait, maybe a 4+ months training is better, which should end just before the start of the World Championships??..perhaps he'll be set, ready to go, by then??..;)
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what i cannot grab is: why? is it age and fitness catching up to him? or lacking in will power? lacking in pressure to win? or just that he has gotten to the stage where he is just happy to enjoy his badminton and not worry about winning?
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..i think it's pretty much all of the above questions. I didn't watch the match and wasn't surprised.

ye333

03-14-2009, 09:02 AM

Totally agree with this.

it is still the same talented Taufik who can hit almost any shots with such natural techniques. but a much more damped and soften version of his former self.

chris-ccc

03-14-2009, 01:42 PM

i downloaded and watched SwissOpen's TH vs. LCW. only watched it casually while doing some work in the background. what strike me is that TH wasn't (or wasn't able) to induce the pace that he used to beat LD and other foes in the 2005-ish era. today's Taufik seems like he was taking a stroll in the park, with no worries in the world. his plays lack a certain urgency, a certain push that we always see in the top level of competitiveness.
don't get me wrong though, it is still the same talented Taufik who can hit almost any shots with such natural techniques. but a much more damped and soften version of his former self.

what i cannot grab is: why? is it age and fitness catching up to him? or lacking in will power? lacking in pressure to win? or just that he has gotten to the stage where he is just happy to enjoy his badminton and not worry about winning?

it seems to be that he just need to extra push to tip himself from tightly losing to tightly winning the match today. just a little bit more.

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kwun ... Taufik is currently one of the most talented players in the world. But to be a champion, talent is not the only ingredient. A diligent approach to train harder for stamina and fitness is important and necessary.

Since Taufik cut himself loose from the Indonesian Badminton Association to become an independent professional player, he said he would train harder. And there is sign that he had done so. Recent matches showed that his stamina and fitness have improved. But not enough to demoralise his opponents. Therefore when winning or losing, it's only tightly managed.

For Taufik to make a comeback, he would need to work at his training more seriously.

He has the talent and experience. If he can match up with the stamina and fitness of his opponents, nothing can prevent him from winning more titles.
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ctjcad

03-14-2009, 01:45 PM

..that's what a lot of the BCers have been preaching, abt the Wild Child of Badminton, for quite a while now..heck, maybe for the last 2-3 yrs..:p

chris-ccc

03-14-2009, 01:55 PM

..that's what a lot of the BCers have been preaching, abt the Wild Child of Badminton, for quite a while now..heck, maybe for the last 2-3 yrs..:p

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We can only encourage him to make a comeback. It looks like you have given up on him already.
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ctjcad

03-14-2009, 02:09 PM

markham player

03-14-2009, 04:12 PM

LH should have joined Team China camp last year.

phaarix

03-14-2009, 10:35 PM

..yes, you can say so. But so do a few other people (maybe they won't speak up).
We, at least myself, have tried given him the benefit of the doubt, ever since his (non-BWF sanctioned) AG win in 2006, but to what avail??..I believe he's won 3 titles since: the 2007 BAC (used to be ABC), the 2007 (non-BWF sanctioned) SEA Games MS title and last yr's Macau Open GP Gold.
Sure, anyone can give him an encouragement for a comeback. But reality is
Taufik is a totally different player than he was @ his peak, 4-5 yrs ago.

We all know he's past his peak. I don't think it's necessary to keep repeating that... Lately it's more about whether Taufik can still be one of the world's top players. And I think most signs point to yes in the last half year or so. You have to admit he's been a different person on court recently. I think the match with LCW says it all. He gave it everything, and he seems to now just accept his losses and move on. You can see that in pic 36 from SvenH ;).

Like he said - he felt pressure to live up to expectations as the Olympic Champion. Now that that pressure is gone, he's sort of free to rediscover himself as a player. He'll never be quite what he was at his prime sure. But so what? He can still win titles. Not consistently? So what? There are only really two players (although PG could be included recently :)) that can consistently win titles at the moment - LD (especially), and LCW (sort of :p).

Just what are we giving Taufik a "chance" at? Does he HAVE to win titles? Does any other player HAVE to win titles? If not winning, he still makes finals... semifinals... quarterfinals... quite consistently. And that's more than can be said for most Super Series players (who are generally the top 32 in the world). Why does everyone think that Taufik has to be the best? He never has, never will be a consistency player (though he has been the best once upon a time :D). Sure he doesn't frequently win titles. But he frequently gives us exciting matches :). That's all I can ask for as a badminton fan.

I also don't think people give LCW enough credit. Just because he can't match Lin Dan doesn't mean he's not an incredibly fast, dangerous and gifted player, and one of the very best in the world. Try comparing LCW to other players, rather than constantly comparing him to Lin Dan. Maybe we will see him in a different light :). People are so focused on the very best that they forget to give credit to the rest!

koo_fan

03-14-2009, 11:39 PM

aye, phaarix

Appreciation is not when you win titles, but when you play the game , entertaining the followers..and when there's no suspicious walkover.

george@chongwei

03-15-2009, 01:44 AM

of course u dont understand, that post of mine was meant for george chong wei. If u find my posts are too twisty and curvy, you shouldn't be walking on it.
to limsy or to me, huh?:rolleyes::confused:

cooler

03-15-2009, 02:34 AM

to limsy or to me, huh?:rolleyes::confused:why not both?:p

ctjcad

03-15-2009, 08:53 AM

We all know he's past his peak. I don't think it's necessary to keep repeating that... Lately it's more about whether Taufik can still be one of the world's top players. And I think most signs point to yes in the last half year or so. You have to admit he's been a different person on court recently. I think the match with LCW says it all. He gave it everything, and he seems to now just accept his losses and move on. You can see that in pic 36 from SvenH ;).

Like he said - he felt pressure to live up to expectations as the Olympic Champion. Now that that pressure is gone, he's sort of free to rediscover himself as a player. He'll never be quite what he was at his prime sure. But so what? He can still win titles. Not consistently? So what? There are only really two players (although PG could be included recently :)) that can consistently win titles at the moment - LD (especially), and LCW (sort of :p).

Just what are we giving Taufik a "chance" at? Does he HAVE to win titles? Does any other player HAVE to win titles? If not winning, he still makes finals... semifinals... quarterfinals... quite consistently. And that's more than can be said for most Super Series players (who are generally the top 32 in the world). Why does everyone think that Taufik has to be the best? He never has, never will be a consistency player (though he has been the best once upon a time :D). Sure he doesn't frequently win titles. But he frequently gives us exciting matches :). That's all I can ask for as a badminton fan.
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1. That's the whole point. Like you acknowledged, he's past his peak and yet people/members are still hyping him up to win his first AE etc. Yeah, he gave it his all, just like PiHY gave it her all, JiangYJ gave it her all and countless others...;)

2. Yeah, Taufik doesn't have the pressure to win the OG, yet how many titles has he won since (actually only 2 titles that are BWF sanctioned, zero SS titles)?? I thought he's free from all those pressures?? On the other hand, LD also won the OG, yet he is still going at full speed & winning titles and looking for another one @ the Swiss Open. Well, not sure what'll happen to LD in 1 or 2 more yrs, though..:p

3. To me, he's already given us "exciting matches" in the past. So, imo, there's no need to hype up his appearance in a tourney, like AE, as a chance for him to reach the Finals then face LD or LCW and winning it all.
But i guess to some fans & his die-hard followers, it's never enough to give him all kinds of hope and chances.
Maybe Taufik can finally win his long, lost & sought after AE, next yr??..:p ;)

phaarix

03-15-2009, 09:56 AM

1. That's the whole point. Like you acknowledged, he's past his peak and yet people/members are still hyping him up to win his first AE etc. Yeah, he gave it his all, just like PiHY gave it her all, JiangYJ gave it her all and countless others...;)

2. Yeah, Taufik doesn't have the pressure to win the OG, yet how many titles has he won since (actually only 2 titles that are BWF sanctioned, zero SS titles)?? I thought he's free from all those pressures?? On the other hand, LD also won the OG, yet he is still going at full speed & winning titles and looking for another one @ the Swiss Open. Well, not sure what'll happen to LD in 1 or 2 more yrs, though..:p

3. To me, he's already given us "exciting matches" in the past. So, imo, there's no need to hype up his appearance in a tourney, like AE, as a chance for him to reach the Finals then face LD or LCW and winning it all.
But i guess to some fans & his die-hard followers, it's never enough to give him all kinds of hope and chances.
Maybe Taufik can finally win his long, lost & sought after AE, next yr??..:p ;)

1. Yeah, it's both fans and the media. He's capable of it of course. It's just quite unlikely, as he's probably already missed his best chances years ago. It's possible... but you're right, it shouldn't be hyped up. If it actually happens - we can get hyped then :D!

2. But my point is he's more relaxed (in a good way - not in a "not trying" sort of way), and more of a pleasure to watch. What disappointed me in the past was his apparent "give up" attitude. He's a pleasure to watch now. It doesn't bother me one bit if he doesn't win a tournament! I'd much rather have Taufik participate in a tournament than not. Anyway apart from baseless hype, what's the problem with him not winning many tournaments?

3. Well maybe... people will always believe in their heroes!

If it's hype that you have an issue with, then I absolutely agree :). Most of the time I just ignore it now though.

Destricto_Ense

03-15-2009, 09:59 AM

I think Taufik is still capable of winning major tournaments, but I think that unfortunately he's past the stage where he can dominate entirely. Taufik winning is now a pleasant surprise rather than something we expect..

Regardless of this, when he is on form he is undoubtedly one of the most beautiful players to watch.

phaarix

03-15-2009, 10:02 AM

Ah ctjcad, I just realised (after what Destricto Ense just said heh)... at least we no longer have threads like "Why Taufik lost?" coming up in nearly every tournament. So clearly things are headed in the right direction :).

Destricto_Ense

03-15-2009, 10:04 AM

That's a good point actually; Taufik going out in the first and second rounds has become a far less frequent occurrence. We may not be able to use the excuse "well, it's Taufik.." so much anymore ; )

ctjcad

03-15-2009, 10:12 AM

..(probably my last post in this thread)..

1. You guys can believe all the reports, blogs or news of him preparing, training this & that and keep hoping, praying and maybe hyping up Taufik's chances that he'll win his long, lost & sought after AE or any SS. But until i see him kiss that AE trophy or medal, i will not believe it.
2. I, personally, have already given up on him, especially on winning that coveted AE. He might do it, if LCW and/or LD are absent, but i doubt that'll happen.

Now, y'all know it's time for Taufik to undergo his 4+ months of secret "underground" training for the WC, don't you??..;)

phaarix

03-15-2009, 10:29 AM

Hey that's fair enough! But given up on him for what? If all that matters are the top two players in the world, then a tournament may as well just consist of... a finals day. Taufik is still a very important part of what makes a tournament successful. If the finals were really all that mattered, the other 30 players may as well go and get other jobs ;).

As for point one. I don't tend to take things I read in the media particularly seriously. I'm not saying I flat out don't believe them. I just take them with a grain of salt. It's what I see on court that matters!

I just don't see why Taufik has to be the "best" for it to be "ok" to believe in him? I don't think Taufik could care less if we gave him a "chance" or not anyway :p.

phaarix

03-15-2009, 10:35 AM

That's a good point actually; Taufik going out in the first and second rounds has become a far less frequent occurrence. We may not be able to use the excuse "well, it's Taufik.." so much anymore ; )

Really I meant what you were saying about the whole "expectation" thing :). But that's true too! His first round exits are not such a problem now. Surely that is something we can be thankful for!

Jestin

03-16-2009, 03:23 AM

yep, just inchies wide;):eek:
that was close though but obviously the shuttle is out;)

It was called in by the line referee but Taufik said it was out and gave the match to LCW.

Jestin

03-16-2009, 03:33 AM

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Jestin ... Were you there watching live? Lucky you. :):):)

But regardless of whether we are fans of Taufik or not, we have to admire him for being so determined to try to make a big comeback.

Well Done Taufik Hidayat !!! :cool::cool::cool:

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Ja.. I was there.... lucky me!!!

Irrespective of whether he won or not it was pure Badminton at the best!!! At the start of the play the crowd was for LCW, but by the end there was no one for LCW!!

indra

03-16-2009, 03:51 AM

chris-ccc

03-16-2009, 03:59 AM

Ja.. I was there.... lucky me!!!

Irrespective of whether he won or not it was pure Badminton at the best!!! At the start of the play the crowd was for LCW, but by the end there was no one for LCW!!

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Actually, I am a fan of LCW. But I thought I would follow TH because he turned independent.

The Swiss crowd probably supported TH when they found that TH was going to lose. That's a great encouragement for TH to increase his effort to challenge LCW.
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chris-ccc

03-16-2009, 04:03 AM

TH was born in 2 March 1296.:D

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1296 ??? :eek::eek::eek:

indra ... Stop joking. You should only give us correct details of TH. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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hcyong

03-16-2009, 04:33 AM

It was called in by the line referee but Taufik said it was out and gave the match to LCW.

If that were the case, it was incredible. 19-20 down in the rubber game, and you call yourself out even with the linejudge siding you. Incredible sportsmanship.

hcyong

03-16-2009, 04:35 AM

It looked out from the video. I cannot say it's definitely out, because the resolution is low, but from the trajectory of the shuttle, it seems slightly out. Not that it matters now.

phaarix

03-16-2009, 04:59 AM

If that were the case, it was incredible. 19-20 down in the rubber game, and you call yourself out even with the linejudge siding you. Incredible sportsmanship.

Now that I look at that point again, yeah it was definitely called in. And I think at that point LCW was already celebrating. So since they both knew it was obviously (well I thought it was too at least) out I guess it was just the honest thing to do :).

chris-ccc

03-16-2009, 05:22 AM

Now that I look at that point again, yeah it was definitely called in. And I think at that point LCW was already celebrating. So since they both knew it was obviously (well I thought it was too at least) out, I guess it was just the honest thing to do :).

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It's great that both TH and LCW knew what the correct call should be. :):):)
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limsy

03-16-2009, 05:24 AM

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It's great that both TH and LCW knew what the correct call should be. :):):)
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both are friend....and th is a big boy now.....:D...thumb up....

george@chongwei

03-16-2009, 06:59 AM

TH was born in 2 March 1296.:D
u makes me shock now:eek:

chris-ccc

03-16-2009, 07:16 AM

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Hey george@chongwei ... We have started a new thread, named "Lee Chong Wei & Taufik Hidayat at the 2009 India Open": click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67625)

We would like to find out what you think.

:):):)
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george@chongwei

03-16-2009, 07:28 AM

chris-ccc

03-16-2009, 07:47 AM

ok, will check it out later;)
seems like u are a BIG fan of taufik hidayat huh?;)

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I am a fan of LCW since I met him at the 2006 Commonwealth Games in Melbourne.

My following of TH only started since he turned independent.

:):):)
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Destricto_Ense

03-16-2009, 09:40 AM

Wow, that truly is magnanimous by Taufik *thumbs up*

ye333

03-16-2009, 12:31 PM

I think his Swiss Open performance indeed shows some improvement in physical ability.

..(probably my last post in this thread)..

1. You guys can believe all the reports, blogs or news of him preparing, training this & that and keep hoping, praying and maybe hyping up Taufik's chances that he'll win his long, lost & sought after AE or any SS. But until i see him kiss that AE trophy or medal, i will not believe it.
2. I, personally, have already given up on him, especially on winning that coveted AE. He might do it, if LCW and/or LD are absent, but i doubt that'll happen.

Now, y'all know it's time for Taufik to undergo his 4+ months of secret "underground" training for the WC, don't you??..;)

ye333

03-16-2009, 02:42 PM

Very much surprised by TH's performance. He forced LCW to play at maximum speed even when he himself can only afford to walk around. I would say their next meeting is 50:50.

cooler

03-16-2009, 02:58 PM

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Now, y'all know it's time for Taufik to undergo his 4+ months of secret "underground" training for the WC, don't you??..;)
if all the preparation for the AE only get to beat PG, then he needed 8+ months training to get pass the SF. Under Mulyo regiment training, club dancing is constitute stamina training;)

ctjcad

03-16-2009, 03:36 PM

(okay, i'm gonna blame ye333 and cooler for making me post, again)..:p
I think his Swiss Open performance indeed shows some improvement in physical ability.
..oh yeah, he did reach the Macau Open GP Gold tourney last yr, didn't he? And oh, he won it too...But what happened since?? Or were the opponents much tougher in these 2 tourneys??..:confused:
Very much surprised by TH's performance. He forced LCW to play at maximum speed even when he himself can only afford to walk around. I would say their next meeting is 50:50..
..were you surprised by the result??..:confused:
if all the preparation for the AE only get to beat PG, then he needed 8+ months training to get pass the SF. Under Mulyo regiment training, club dancing is constitute stamina training;)
..i thought he does that in every tourney he participates in??..

cooler

03-16-2009, 04:10 PM

..i thought he does that in every tourney he participates in??..
u mean after the match at a local bar?

Destricto_Ense

03-16-2009, 08:52 PM

You're forgetting that Salsa dancing is one of his great new weapons...

madbad

03-16-2009, 09:01 PM

You're forgetting that Salsa dancing is one of his great new weapons...

Let me complete that sentence for you:
... of mass destruction

Destricto_Ense

03-16-2009, 09:05 PM

Let me complete that sentence for you:
... of mass destruction

SHh.. we're keeping that on the down-low; don't want Taufik to be invaded..

cooler

03-16-2009, 09:06 PM

Let me complete that sentence for you:
... of mass destructionmaybe he is saving them for Cooler:D

Athelete1234

03-16-2009, 09:06 PM

Let me complete that sentence for you:
... of mass Distraction
Is that what you mean....?:D:D

Destricto_Ense

03-16-2009, 09:08 PM

Is that what you mean....?:D:D

You like what you see?

http://swissopen.com/uploads/pics/09_GH6I8246_01.jpg

pjswift

03-17-2009, 02:50 AM

..yes, you can say so. But so do a few other people (maybe they won't speak up).
We, at least myself, have tried given him the benefit of the doubt, ever since his (non-BWF sanctioned) AG win in 2006, but to what avail??..I believe he's won 3 titles since: the 2007 BAC (used to be ABC), the 2007 (non-BWF sanctioned) SEA Games MS title and last yr's Macau Open GP Gold.
Sure, anyone can give him an encouragement for a comeback. But reality is
Taufik is a totally different player than he was @ his peak, 4-5 yrs ago.
I don't know about his peak 4-5 years ago...But the fact is TH has not lost his magical touch.When much younger, he may peak because of the physical attributes of youth;when older, the physical loss may be compensated by maturity advantages like experience and wisdom.That's why 5, 10 years later, the top players are still those who are 25+ years old.
TH going independent is the best thing happening to him (and badminton).Because he has real bills to pay, he has to work and because his pay depends on how far he goes in a tournament, his motivation will be high to win every match.This means he will play every SS and some non-SS tourneys.His physical conditioning will improve through competing regularly to compensate for his gym-phobia.See, now he can lasts 3 consecutive 1-hour matches without calling for madbad's ambulance.Two years ago,his Cinderella time was 45 mins.Now it's 60+ mins.This is sheer progress and indication that TH can still upset LCW and LD in finals.
But what I like most about TH is how majestic he looks on court.His body language,his 'anything you want to make you feel comfortable' attitude to his opponents; they can take their time to serve or get ready,he adapts to their pace so there's no time gap to make his opponents look awkward.No way is he gonna win a match LYB style. He would rather lose with honour than win without honour(we are talking about now).Such is the regal aura about him.
It'll be great to see a LCW-TH final in India Open.The crowd will definitely be behind TH and it will be good training for LCW to play with the crowd against him.

X Ball

03-17-2009, 03:03 AM

I think TH has still got a life if he commits more to training. I am pretty sure he needs to do more if he wants to beat LCW, who is one ball of mucscle

chris-ccc

03-17-2009, 03:34 AM

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At the 2009 Swiss Open, we have to realise that TH lost to LCW by a mere 2 points. And LCW went on to defeat LD at the Finals.

Wouldn't it be great if TH could have defeated LCW, and then continued on to win that title?

Yes, let's have another look at TH and LCW again at the 2009 India Open: click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67625)

:):):)
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ctjcad

03-17-2009, 09:07 AM

..(okay, i'm blaming pjswift, X Ball and chris@ccc for making my fingers itch and post, again)..:p:p

Okay, to the 3 posters, just above, so the question now is:
Were you suprised at Taufik's results (in both AE & Swiss Open)?

If Gade can still wing it and win SS tourneys at his age, then why can't a younger Taufik do it??..Both are married and have a kid..
If Taufik still has the aura, "magical touch", then bring them and go win a tourney or a Super Series...can we see nothing short of a title??..
Go & win the India Open Gold GP, if he can..;)

ye333

03-17-2009, 10:00 AM

First, TH's opponents in Macau Open are definitely weaker than his opponents in Swiss. For example, KBH is obviously weaker than GWJ.

Second, what happened since is that TH has been performing pretty consistently. He is definitely weaker than LD/LCW but at the same level as other top 10 players. And his record after OG is consistent with this.

Third, let's come to what surprised me. Note that the LCW in Macau Open is the depressed LCW, without speed, while the LCW in Swiss is in very good form, similar to the LCW in Super Series Final. So what surprised me are

1. In the first game, TH could totally match LCW's speed. He showed agility and fast reaction rarely seen in his games after 2006. That's why I thought he has indeed trained.
2. In the second game, when TH was tired, he was still able to force LCW to play at full speed in a large part of the game. (This is very important, as then LCW will have to slow down a bit in part of the 3rd game before he can up the pace again)
3. In the third game, TH still had enough stamina.

Before watching this match, I thought TH dragged LCW to 3 games simply because LCW didn't want to be mentally exhausted. Now you see why I was surprised. :cool:

(okay, i'm gonna blame ye333 and cooler for making me post, again)..:p

..oh yeah, he did reach the Macau Open GP Gold tourney last yr, didn't he? And oh, he won it too...But what happened since?? Or were the opponents much tougher in these 2 tourneys??..:confused:
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..were you surprised by the result??..:confused:

..i thought he does that in every tourney he participates in??..

ctjcad

03-17-2009, 10:29 AM

..(i haven't watched the match, but i trust kwun's half-watching-half-working review of what he saw in TH vs. LCW's QF match:))..

now, back to the question:
What was the scoreline?..
Were you surprised at the result (that Taufik lost)?..

ye333

03-17-2009, 11:41 AM

chris-ccc

03-17-2009, 11:41 AM

First, TH's opponents in Macau Open are definitely weaker than his opponents in Swiss. For example, KBH is obviously weaker than GWJ.

Second, what happened since is that TH has been performing pretty consistently. He is definitely weaker than LD/LCW but at the same level as other top 10 players. And his record after OG is consistent with this.

Third, let's come to what surprised me. Note that the LCW in Macau Open is the depressed LCW, without speed, while the LCW in Swiss is in very good form, similar to the LCW in Super Series Final. So what surprised me are

1. In the first game, TH could totally match LCW's speed. He showed agility and fast reaction rarely seen in his games after 2006. That's why I thought he has indeed trained.
2. In the second game, when TH was tired, he was still able to force LCW to play at full speed in a large part of the game. (This is very important, as then LCW will have to slow down a bit in part of the 3rd game before he can up the pace again)
3. In the third game, TH still had enough stamina.

Before watching this match, I thought TH dragged LCW to 3 games simply because LCW didn't want to be mentally exhausted. Now you see why I was surprised. :cool:

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ye333 ... Agree with what you have posted. :):):) It's clear to see that TH is now fitter.

It's clear to say that TH is more prepared this time, for this 2009 German/AE/Swiss series of tournaments.

Unfortunately, LCW was in top form at this 2009 Swiss Open. I would say that; If LCW were to play with just 1% less than how he had played, TH would have defeated him.

So it was unlucky for TH that LCW was in top form. Otherwise, TH would be the one to face LD at the Finals. And perhaps able to win the 2009 Swiss Open MS title.

TH has come back to be at the same level as the World's No.1 and 2.
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ye333

03-17-2009, 12:00 PM

I would not say "has"... ;)

But if TH keeps reasonable fitness level, he will definitely hold an upper hand against any other player except LD and LCW. In other words, I think he will soon become the de facto World No. 3. :cool:

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TH has come back to be at the same level as the World's No.1 and 2.
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koo_fan

03-17-2009, 12:43 PM

Is it fair if i say Hafiz can come back to competitive badminton as well?
Perhaps he has to be one independent player first.

Btw, My credits goes to Taufik, for every effort he had contributed all the way in AE and Swiss.
His journey in India Open, will be better. another semifinal, taufik? Or perhaps better.

Destricto_Ense

03-17-2009, 02:50 PM

I agree with pjswift about Taufik's relaxed presence on court. When I first arrived into the AE arena, I recognised Taufik warming up because of his smooth way of strolling around and generally being quite cool with his opponent. That, and his trademark 'white strap on one knee and black on the other' kneestraps. This was from only seeing his back, and me being short-sighted!

ctjcad

03-17-2009, 03:21 PM

:confused: Of course I am not surprised by the result as I have been holding the view that currently TH is half level down from LD/LCW. In particular he usually could not keep up with them when LD/LCW up the pace. As a result, we often see LD/LCW easily won many points in a row against TH.

I was surprised because TH played much better than I expected. In particular, I was surprised by the fact that TH can match LCW's speed in game 1.
..thank you, that's what i'm looking for.;)
Good and dandy if Taufik can keep up with LCW for the 3 games...Maybe he'll finally figure out how to beat LCW and win it the next time they meet..;)
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TH has come back to be at the same level as the World's No.1 and 2.
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..based on??:confused:
If it's based on his Semifinals Rd. appearance in the AE, then by the same logic, i can say:
Chen Jin (who played against LD in the SF) is also on the same level as the World's No. 1 & 2

If it's based on his Quarterfinals Rd. appearance in the Swiss Open, then by the same logic, i can say:
Hsieh Yu Shin (who played against LD in the QF) is also on the same level as the World's No.1 & 2..Heck, let's put Jan O Jorgensen also on the same level as the World's No.1 & 2, since he reached the Semifinals round.

Really??..
...
But if TH keeps reasonable fitness level, he will definitely hold an upper hand against any other player except LD and LCW. In other words, I think he will soon become the de facto World No. 3. :cool:
..so, how many times have we heard this same optimistic comment being repeated from the many Taufik supporters or sympathizers??..

madbad

03-17-2009, 03:36 PM

Wow Chris, you're really fired up on this TH matter. I like it!

My own personal opinion is that TH will find it hard to sustain this high level of fitness. His motivation can't be the money–he's already set for life. I think he's playing mainly for pride, to prove to himself that he still belongs. People, don't kid yourselves, that close call LCW had against TH in the SO will serve only to push LCW to ensure it won't happen again.

Unfortunately it's quite clear (in my mind) that he belongs in the second tier. If he can reach and maintain WR #3 for the rest of the year, I would consider that an achievement. As a fan of his, I'd love him to emphatically prove me wrong.

ctjcad

03-17-2009, 03:51 PM

..about 3-4 yrs ago, madbad??..you should've seen and/or read my posts, esp. when it comes to Taufik. If need proof, ask cooler..:p;)

madbad

03-17-2009, 03:58 PM

..about 3-4 yrs ago, madbad??..you should've seen and/or read my posts, esp. when it comes to Taufik. If need proof, ask cooler..:p;)

Hehe, cooler being around, I can see a repeat of the fireworks :eek:. Well, at least we get a chance to see TH play in Vancouver next month :).

ctjcad

03-17-2009, 04:10 PM

madbad

03-17-2009, 04:17 PM

..Taufik won't do a repeat of his last minute cancellation like he did last Christmas to the Toronto folks..
*actually cooler was cheering on my behalf..he was probably enjoying a good laugh while i got a good go with other BCers..:p

Sorry, continuing off topic...

No cancellation. This event is a big time one, with Badminton Canada and Canada Olympics people involved. Besides, the appearance fees have been paid (and presumably deposited). Hauge has confirmed TH and AT will arrive on Apr 1st. Hey, why aren't you coming up?

Cooler is just too funny. He's got his pet hates and LCW and TH fans are two of them

Athelete1234

03-17-2009, 04:40 PM

TH I think is getting better than before...but he still needs urgency and speed. Like he can play longer now, but he can't really play much faster. And he needs to become threatening. Like if he can impose his game in LCW, there's definately no way LCW can win, it's just that TH isn't able to do that anymore.

Hope he keeps getting better and better!

ye333

03-17-2009, 05:14 PM

ye333

03-17-2009, 05:15 PM

He indeed needs to be faster if he wants to beat LD/LCW. But to beat others, good stamina is enough.

TH I think is getting better than before...but he still needs urgency and speed. Like he can play longer now, but he can't really play much faster. And he needs to become threatening. Like if he can impose his game in LCW, there's definately no way LCW can win, it's just that TH isn't able to do that anymore.

Hope he keeps getting better and better!

Destricto_Ense

03-17-2009, 05:27 PM

@ye333 - yep, he needs to get to the shuttles backcourt earlier to be able to do jump smashes, although knee problems are probably also contributing to the lack of smashes from Taufik lately.

ctjcad

03-17-2009, 05:35 PM

Given that BCL is going to have an operation and Sony is struggling with his injury, I don't think TH becoming World No. 3 is that "optimistic". Let's look at other top 10 players.

1. PG. To dominate TH, PG has to be one level higher in stamina/power than TH, so if TH is reasonably fit, PG (who is already 32/33 yrs old) is not a problem.

2. CJ. I admit I never think CJ as a top player. Also CJ's recent performance indicates that he indeed suffers from his waist injury now and then.

3. PSH. He is a threat to any top player but it's not likely that he himself can reach very high in ranking.

4. Others. BP seems not very much devoted anymore, Simon Santoso still clearly below TH. Persson? Wacha? No way.
..given those possible scenarios and circumstances, what is the likelihood of Taufik staying in shape and be free of injuries himself this yr??.. Considering:
1. He's older..
2. He has a history of all kinds of little "sudden" injuries that come up..

All i'm concerned about is result(s) and title(s). Look at Gade, as an example.

I'm not specifically referring to him reaching WR #3 as "optimistic".
It's just that all these talks and comments that "if TH keeps reasonable fitness level, he will definitely hold an upper hand against any other player etc.", those are the "optimistic" comments. How many times have we heard those comments before in BC??..:confused:

*madbad, no can go this time. too much on my plate (and no, not the dinner plate):p..Is Hau-ge going??..Have fun, though..;)

badMania

03-17-2009, 05:52 PM

Aw....Chris...I didn't you know you have so much against TH :rolleyes:

ctjcad

03-17-2009, 06:08 PM

..i've been pro him, but it's all about reality...;)

Athelete1234

03-17-2009, 06:20 PM

He's just lost faith :p

teddbaker

03-18-2009, 02:04 AM

I don't know about his peak 4-5 years ago...But the fact is TH has not lost his magical touch.When much younger, he may peak because of the physical attributes of youth;when older, the physical loss may be compensated by maturity advantages like experience and wisdom.That's why 5, 10 years later, the top players are still those who are 25+ years old.
TH going independent is the best thing happening to him (and badminton).Because he has real bills to pay, he has to work and because his pay depends on how far he goes in a tournament, his motivation will be high to win every match.This means he will play every SS and some non-SS tourneys.His physical conditioning will improve through competing regularly to compensate for his gym-phobia.See, now he can lasts 3 consecutive 1-hour matches without calling for madbad's ambulance.Two years ago,his Cinderella time was 45 mins.Now it's 60+ mins.This is sheer progress and indication that TH can still upset LCW and LD in finals.
But what I like most about TH is how majestic he looks on court.His body language,his 'anything you want to make you feel comfortable' attitude to his opponents; they can take their time to serve or get ready,he adapts to their pace so there's no time gap to make his opponents look awkward.No way is he gonna win a match LYB style. He would rather lose with honour than win without honour(we are talking about now).Such is the regal aura about him.
It'll be great to see a LCW-TH final in India Open.The crowd will definitely be behind TH and it will be good training for LCW to play with the crowd against him.

this is the truth and nothing but the truth...

Tommy Susanto

03-18-2009, 05:19 AM

..given those possible scenarios and circumstances, what is the likelihood of Taufik staying in shape and be free of injuries himself this yr??.. Considering:
1. He's older..
2. He has a history of all kinds of little "sudden" injuries that come up..

All i'm concerned about is result(s) and title(s). Look at Gade, as an example.

I'm not specifically referring to him reaching WR #3 as "optimistic".
It's just that all these talks and comments that "if TH keeps reasonable fitness level, he will definitely hold an upper hand against any other player etc.", those are the "optimistic" comments. How many times have we heard those comments before in BC??..:confused:

*madbad, no can go this time. too much on my plate (and no, not the dinner plate):p..Is Hau-ge going??..Have fun, though..;)

Traitor(definition) :one who was born and raised in Indonesia, left for usa and talk like he knows everything about the game in badminton:DWhat is your credential, chris?:rolleyes::p;)
What do you call that a "tournament helper"? or a translator for TH during WC 2005??:p;):D:rolleyes:I am just teasing you, man(in us slang):D

ye333

03-18-2009, 09:46 AM

The fact is, TH has indeed been keeping a reasonable fitness level during the past 6 months... :cool:

..given those possible scenarios and circumstances, what is the likelihood of Taufik staying in shape and be free of injuries himself this yr??.. Considering:
1. He's older..
2. He has a history of all kinds of little "sudden" injuries that come up..

All i'm concerned about is result(s) and title(s). Look at Gade, as an example.

I'm not specifically referring to him reaching WR #3 as "optimistic".
It's just that all these talks and comments that "if TH keeps reasonable fitness level, he will definitely hold an upper hand against any other player etc.", those are the "optimistic" comments. How many times have we heard those comments before in BC??..:confused:

*madbad, no can go this time. too much on my plate (and no, not the dinner plate):p..Is Hau-ge going??..Have fun, though..;)

huangkwokhau

03-18-2009, 09:50 AM

All I can inform you that TH practices more often than he was in Cipayung....also he and others go to gym more often....he still has desire to play another 2 yrs, at least.
Also big sponsors, like VICTOR/Li Ning still wants TH...(thats a good news)

ctjcad

03-18-2009, 10:04 AM

The fact is, TH has indeed been keeping a reasonable fitness level during the past 6 months... :cool:
..that's good, isn't it??..I'm sure other players are doing the same..:cool:

About those wondering abt Taufik's peak 4-5 yrs ago, maybe these clips will bring back memories:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ABqvvaMlzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJpkFj-YBSY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GsdAP-GWXs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVEp9j56r34 (he led LD 11-0, at one time)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1nOZw6eWzM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuvpsBTVwE4

Maybe we'll hear the same chorus of TH supporters, die-hard fanz and sympathizers propping him up, say 4-5 more yrs from now, if he is still playing professionally..;)

*..Tommy Susanto, yeah, i'm just tellin' it like it is, just tellin' it like it is..:p;)

Results, folks, just want to see results.:cool:

Oldhand

03-18-2009, 10:16 AM

I think TH has still got a life if he commits more to training. I am pretty sure he needs to do more if he wants to beat LCW, who is one ball of mucscle

Indeed, he is just 'one ball of muscle' :D
In fact, Lee Chong Wei weighs less than Wong Pei Tty!

Another player in the same 'all-muscle' mould is Markis Kido.
He looks heavy but is lighter than the willowy Sudket Prapakamol :p

I wonder if Taufik Hidayat can make a fitter player of himself even if he wants to. For someone so resistant to gym routines, a new (punishing) regimen might be difficult to adapt to.