LCW matched LD all the way in the 1st game and nearly took it. The luck was not with him, it could have happened to anyone (including LD, remember the Malaysian Open in Kuching). The pendulum did swing in LD's favour at the end. But it could have swung in LCW's way, if he had not tightened up when he was leading 19-17. I am sure all Chinese hearts thumped greatly and even cursed LCW for being so good at that point when he was leading.

If LD had lost the 1st game, it could have been different. In the 2nd, it was again the same sort of play, tit-for-tat for a while until LCW lost his patience and tried to move the game faster, resulting in 6 straight lost points.

He should have stuck to his game even though it could result in another narrow loss at the end. But in retrospect, that is the only style he could play against LD - patience and rallies. To try and engineer a win by pushing the shuttle faster and more aggressively, risk unforced errors. LCW in losing those 6 points in a row, had a few shuttles returned out of court because he was trying to step up a gear.

If one takes it well, this is a lesson learned - it will help him to see that he needs to play the slow patient game with LD - play him long, to the backcourt. LD made several mistakes smashing into the net several times-it shows not all smashes are 100% from LD. It shows LD is tempted to smash even at a difficult position, taking risk too. If LCW can see that, he should learn to play that more often.

There is no easy way to beat LD. He is good and we cannot deny that but he susceptible to long rallies coz his trademark is always the big smash and he is tempted to use that. One, it will tire him if he does that too often, Two, he makes mistakes on his smashes. LCW lost because he made the mistakes, not LD. Tactically, he is matching LD.

Agree,...100%

LCW learned his mistakes........will be better for next encounter.....

Analysis for Ae.
hey..good to read ur version x ball.

LCW matched LD all the way in the 1st game and nearly took it. The luck was not with him, it could have happened to anyone (including LD, remember the Malaysian Open in Kuching). The pendulum did swing in LD's favour at the end. But it could have swung in LCW's way, if he had not tightened up when he was leading 19-17. I am sure all Chinese hearts thumped greatly and even cursed LCW for being so good at that point when he was leading.

If LD had lost the 1st game, it could have been different. In the 2nd, it was again the same sort of play, tit-for-tat for a while until LCW lost his patience and tried to move the game faster, resulting in 6 straight lost points.

He should have stuck to his game even though it could result in another narrow loss at the end. But in retrospect, that is the only style he could play against LD - patience and rallies. To try and engineer a win by pushing the shuttle faster and more aggressively, risk unforced errors. LCW in losing those 6 points in a row, had a few shuttles returned out of court because he was trying to step up a gear.

If one takes it well, this is a lesson learned - it will help him to see that he needs to play the slow patient game with LD - play him long, to the backcourt. LD made several mistakes smashing into the net several times-it shows not all smashes are 100% from LD. It shows LD is tempted to smash even at a difficult position, taking risk too. If LCW can see that, he should learn to play that more often.

There is no easy way to beat LD. He is good and we cannot deny that but he susceptible to long rallies coz his trademark is always the big smash and he is tempted to use that. One, it will tire him if he does that too often, Two, he makes mistakes on his smashes. LCW lost because he made the mistakes, not LD. Tactically, he is matching LD.
once again, a poor poor analysis.
just like your analysis of the 07 HKO http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50389&highlight=analysis&page=2

LCW can match up to LD because LD was using his 3rd and 4th gears.
At 17-19 first set, LD change to 5th gear, step on the gas pedal, and dusted LCW away. I say LD was testing lcw's skill progress since the OG, with no fear of lcw at all, once he saw enough, he blows lcw away.
Funny u talk about luck in the same breath about lcw's skills. Yes, in one MO lcw beat LD but that was at your home soil and massive bolehing. Yes, LD had fixed that lapse of concentration. However, it seem lcw did not since then, it seem it had degraded.

On the contrary, lcw's points came from LD's errors. LCW hardly control LD to earn his points. Yes, LCW would have won if he didn't push the shuttle out, if lcw didn't clear out, if lcw didn't lost focus, if lcw smash harder, if lcw this and that. Problem is those are all if's. People like you who refuse to accept reality and relying living on if's, they are called dreamers.

Say LD did misjudge his timing of toying around lcw in the first set and if lcw had won, LD would bury lcw in 2nd and 3rd set anyway. You talk like IF lcw had won the 1st set, it's a given that lcw would have won the title, you're day dreaming.

This analysis of your is a literal description of your day dreaming.

once again, a poor poor analysis.
just like your analysis of the 07 HKO http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50389&highlight=analysis&page=2


This analysis of your is a literal description of your day dreaming.


Yeah, and it gets on your nerve. Good.

i reckon the real problem is that LCW just doesn't have the self belief that he can beat LD, not consistently anyway.

that self belief is evident whenever he plays anyone else, just not LD.

having said that, i'm not sure there are many, if any, who do have that self belief when playing against LD, he's just too good.

i reckon the real problem is that LCW just doesn't have the self belief that he can beat LD, not consistently anyway.


I guess the Summer Olympic changed him.

LCW matched LD all the way in the 1st game and nearly took it. The luck was not with him, it could have happened to anyone (including LD, remember the Malaysian Open in Kuching). [...]
I will restrict myself to just your opening:

Below is a snapshot of the position at the first mid-game interval.
8 of Lee Chong Wei's 9 points came from Lin Dan's errors.
4 of Lin Dan's 11 points came from Lee Chong Wei's errors.

(To use Gill Clark's favourite expression: )
How on earth does this show that 'LCW matched LD all the way in the first game'?
How on earth does this show that 'the luck was not with Lee Chong Wei'?

Indeed, the opening position is exactly the opposite of what you claim!

If anything, Chong Wei was extremely lucky.
He was gifted 8 points out of the 9 he had!
If not, he would have been staring at 11-1 at the break.

X_Ball, you really should consider retracting your opening lines :cool:

I will restrict myself to just your opening:

Below is a snapshot of the position at the first mid-game interval.
8 of Lee Chong Wei's 9 points came from Lin Dan's errors.
4 of Lin Dan's 11 points came from Lee Chong Wei's errors.

(To use Gill Clark's favourite expression: )
How on earth does this show that 'LCW matched LD all the way in the first game'?
How on earth does this show that 'the luck was not with Lee Chong Wei'?

Indeed, the opening position is exactly the opposite of what you claim!

If anything, Chong Wei was extremely lucky.
He was gifted 8 points out of the 9 he had!
If not, he would have been staring at 11-1 at the break.

X_Ball, you really should consider retracting your opening lines


agreed with your analysis. lcw did look out of place against ld. he played differently against other players

X-Ball, your analysis stinks of bias.

As shown by others in this thread, LCW's points in the 1st set predominantly came from casual LD unforced errors. I'd also agree that LD was simply "testing the waters" for much of the 1st set. When the scoreline got tight, he decided to stop messing around and actualy focus for a few points, leading to his victory.

X-Ball, your analysis stinks of bias.



Tell me any writer who don't.Find a book which the writer doesn't use his own judgement.That's how things go.
If he's able to provide supportive points, should be ok.
Stick to your own standpoint, nothing's wrong.

I will restrict myself to just your opening:

Below is a snapshot of the position at the first mid-game interval.
8 of Lee Chong Wei's 9 points came from Lin Dan's errors.
4 of Lin Dan's 11 points came from Lee Chong Wei's errors.

(To use Gill Clark's favourite expression: )
How on earth does this show that 'LCW matched LD all the way in the first game'?
How on earth does this show that 'the luck was not with Lee Chong Wei'?

Indeed, the opening position is exactly the opposite of what you claim!

If anything, Chong Wei was extremely lucky.
He was gifted 8 points out of the 9 he had!
If not, he would have been staring at 11-1 at the break.

X_Ball, you really should consider retracting your opening lines


agreed with your analysis. lcw did look out of place against ld. he played differently against other players

I believe those are FORCE ERRORs, Not unforced errors....

I believe those are FORCE ERRORs, Not unforced errors....

Agree,.....do you believe that 'god' of badminton...LD.......make so much 'unforce' errors..........?.......Those are errors.....forced error..........;);):D:D

There is a lot of emotional overlay going on in these analyses. Please don't flame me if I express my own fallible opinion.

I don't think Lin Dan was merely toying with LCW. The talent gap isn't so large that LD takes winning for granted. But his confidence is such that he always sees winning as likely.
Lee Chong Wei looked like he ran out of ideas when patience didn't work, and then forcing the play didn't work. His confidence became such that losing seemed likely.

I disagree that LCW should just be more patient and force LD to the back and wait for mistakes. That works for lesser players, and it often works on LD for the first half of a first set. But it is not a full-match plan against a guy of that talent. Lin Dan is simply [covering my 5yo's ears] better than Lee Chong Wei. And the mental difference is larger than the physical.

When he starts taking charge, LD exudes an aura of implacable determination that makes the opponent despair. LCW has demonstrated that at times too....but I suspect that this bad-a** attitude is an unnatural affectation to his baseline personality and therefore hard for him to maintain.

You have to bully a bully to get to him mentally. Think Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson. Or think of World Championship 2007....my buddy, Sony dwi, was pathetic with the waiting/clearing game. It was only when he had the audacity to push Lin Dan around with feints and drives that he got an edge. Still wasn't enough, but you can't deny it was the right idea.

Lin Dan was visibly nervous at 19-17, whatever that says about his certainty of victory..

Many unforced errors if you watched the match...
Uncharacteristic of LD

LD wanted to finish off the game as early as possible i don't think he was toying with LCW. LD was doing great through out the game, LCW couldn't match up with LD speed and consistancy on second game and lost the match.

I believe those are FORCE ERRORs, Not unforced errors....
Your comment shows that you haven't watched this match :)

Tell me any writer who don't.Find a book which the writer doesn't use his own judgement.That's how things go.
If he's able to provide supportive points, should be ok.
Stick to your own standpoint, nothing's wrong.
We aren't engaged in a fiction writing contest.
This is about facts - and, as such, about factual analyses.
Bias has no place here.

I think a more precise statement is the following:

LCW matched LD from 2:8 in the 1st game till 6:6 in the 2nd. Before 2:8 LCW was very nervous and LD took advantage of it; After 6:6 LCW was clearly tired and could not control his racket well anymore.

Indeed the biggest problem is that LCW does not have the belief that he can beat LD, while on the contrary, LD has immense confidence in himself. This is the reason why LCW became nervous at 19:17 but LD managed to stay calm.

To me, even if LCW took the 1st game, LD is still more likely to win the match. LCW could not sustain his speed throughout the match, in particular he is usually slower in most of the 2nd game (A few recent examples: 08 French vs Taufik, 08 OG vs LHI, 07 HKO vs LD ). On a good day LCW can speed up again in the 3rd game, while on a bad day he will be slow all the way till the end of the match. On the contrary, LD does not have this problem and can stay fast throughout the whole match. Therefore even if LCW won the 1st, LD could surely take the 2nd game, and held an upper hand in the 3rd one.

Btw, I don't think it's fair to call LD's mistakes "gifts to CW" while claiming CW's mistakes are all due to LD's pressure. That sounds like a religion (with LD as the god) instead of a game analysis. LD made those mistakes simply because he tried to play very fast and accurate shots (to remind CW of the OG final, to blow CW's confidence) but at the same time hadn't found his touch yet.

We know that in the next 10 pts that CW won, the number due to LD's errors is definitely less than 9. According to the "gift" logic, LD decided to be more serious in the 2nd half of the 1st game. But how come CW actually did better? :confused:

Finally, LD was definitely more lucky in the AE final. Several of his drives caught the net and went over to LCW's court.

I will restrict myself to just your opening:

Below is a snapshot of the position at the first mid-game interval.
8 of Lee Chong Wei's 9 points came from Lin Dan's errors.
4 of Lin Dan's 11 points came from Lee Chong Wei's errors.

(To use Gill Clark's favourite expression: )
How on earth does this show that 'LCW matched LD all the way in the first game'?
How on earth does this show that 'the luck was not with Lee Chong Wei'?

Indeed, the opening position is exactly the opposite of what you claim!

If anything, Chong Wei was extremely lucky.
He was gifted 8 points out of the 9 he had!
If not, he would have been staring at 11-1 at the break.

X_Ball, you really should consider retracting your opening lines :cool:

There is a lot of emotional overlay going on in these analyses. Please don't flame me if I express my own fallible opinion.

I don't think Lin Dan was merely toying with LCW. The talent gap isn't so large that LD takes winning for granted. But his confidence is such that he always sees winning as likely.
Lee Chong Wei looked like he ran out of ideas when patience didn't work, and then forcing the play didn't work. His confidence became such that losing seemed likely.

I disagree that LCW should just be more patient and force LD to the back and wait for mistakes. That works for lesser players, and it often works on LD for the first half of a first set. But it is not a full-match plan against a guy of that talent. Lin Dan is simply [covering my 5yo's ears] better than Lee Chong Wei. And the mental difference is larger than the physical.

When he starts taking charge, LD exudes an aura of implacable determination that makes the opponent despair. LCW has demonstrated that at times too....but I suspect that this bad-a** attitude is an unnatural affectation to his baseline personality and therefore hard for him to maintain.

You have to bully a bully to get to him mentally. Think Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson. Or think of World Championship 2007....my buddy, Sony dwi, was pathetic with the waiting/clearing game. It was only when he had the audacity to push Lin Dan around with feints and drives that he got an edge. Still wasn't enough, but you can't deny it was the right idea.


I some what agree that by just playing patiently until LD makes errors isn't going to work... see how many times LCW did just that and out of no where LD just grew impatient and landed LCW death smashes... I do think LD is uncomfortable with his backhand whenever he wants to retrieve shuttle on his right side...he made quite a number of errors from this too... perhaps LCW need to take this into consideration. LCW can play a patient game with LD but he must also be alert (and very much focus) and has good timing of when to attack cos, it seems he's a bit delayed of realizing LD sudden attacks... Thus we saw more and more dumbfounded LCW on court...

He should have kept the momentum and confidence when he got to lead the game... that time we saw LD becoming a little frustrated... LCW should keep on pressuring LD but it's the other way around ... bummer...

and yes I don't believe anyone is toying with anyone... that term is just pure sarcastic... somewhere deep in LD heart/mind, he must be worried of losing after so much winnings and the pressure to maintain his position but how he deals with those, is the key to his success... that's what LCW is lacking...;)

I'd say, in the next 3 meetings, LCW should have a good chance of winning.

I'd say, in the next 3 meetings, LCW should have a good chance of winning.

i doubt that, i think over the next 3 meetings, assuming none of them occur in malaysia, the odds are still stacked heavily in favour of LD.

I said "...good chance of winning".... NOT that he will WIN it ?!!!
Anyhow, LCW getting better in playing against LD, needs more confidence.
End.

How come I missed this great post this morning! :eek::eek::eek: This is the best analysis I have ever seen on this topic.

No one can beat LD by playing "patient". LD's variation of pace is simply too super-human for any player to defense effectively and consistently.

The only way to beat LD is to keep the game at a reasonably high pace (as Paul Eric Larsen said in the comments), and furthermore be aggressive, as TH and CH did before 2006, and as Sony did in the 2nd game of WC2007 final.

There is a lot of emotional overlay going on in these analyses. Please don't flame me if I express my own fallible opinion.

I don't think Lin Dan was merely toying with LCW. The talent gap isn't so large that LD takes winning for granted. But his confidence is such that he always sees winning as likely.
Lee Chong Wei looked like he ran out of ideas when patience didn't work, and then forcing the play didn't work. His confidence became such that losing seemed likely.

I disagree that LCW should just be more patient and force LD to the back and wait for mistakes. That works for lesser players, and it often works on LD for the first half of a first set. But it is not a full-match plan against a guy of that talent. Lin Dan is simply [covering my 5yo's ears] better than Lee Chong Wei. And the mental difference is larger than the physical.

When he starts taking charge, LD exudes an aura of implacable determination that makes the opponent despair. LCW has demonstrated that at times too....but I suspect that this bad-a** attitude is an unnatural affectation to his baseline personality and therefore hard for him to maintain.

You have to bully a bully to get to him mentally. Think Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson. Or think of World Championship 2007....my buddy, Sony dwi, was pathetic with the waiting/clearing game. It was only when he had the audacity to push Lin Dan around with feints and drives that he got an edge. Still wasn't enough, but you can't deny it was the right idea.

I said "...good chance of winning".... NOT that he will WIN it ?!!!
Anyhow, LCW getting better in playing against LD, needs more confidence.
End.

hahaha, okok.
i hope you're right.

LCW matched LD all the way in the 1st game and nearly took it. The luck was not with him, it could have happened to anyone (including LD, remember the Malaysian Open in Kuching). The pendulum did swing in LD's favour at the end. But it could have swung in LCW's way, if he had not tightened up when he was leading 19-17. I am sure all Chinese hearts thumped greatly and even cursed LCW for being so good at that point when he was leading.

If LD had played the match like he did in OG 08(meaning he went all out against LCW), the score line would have been something like LD 21-12 LCW, LD 21-8 LCW one more time


Fixed for you... no need to thank me.:p

If LCW played like he did in Thomas cup, then the score may change back to 21:19, 21:12...

The point is, no player can totally control his "form". LD was in his best form ever in the OG final, he moved even faster than when he was 21. There is no way he can play every match like that, even if he wants to.

Fixed for you... no need to thank me.:p

I said "...good chance of winning".... NOT that he will WIN it ?!!!
Anyhow, LCW getting better in playing against LD, needs more confidence.
End.LD isn't TH, LD isn't standing still in term of self improvement.

The nay sayers say LD's errors are forced errors but video playback says otherwise. This can easily explained. After a long absence of competitve playing, training just before the AE doesn't smooth out the rough edges accumulated over the months. Playing easy matches against bcl, CJ and JP doesn't help either which i said before it is not helping LD going into the final facing real action. The 1st set of the final is more and less to let LD recalibrate his footwork, stroke timing and shot accuracies. It goes to show how fast LD can warm up his engine, basically about 1 game and still didn't lost it.

Obviously Lin Dan's engine cools down fairly quickly too, going on how he's played so far against Arvind Bhat.

Obviously Lin Dan's engine cools down fairly quickly too, going on how he's played so far against Arvind Bhat.With all these discussion how LD play, u should understand how professional approach each match and player. Obvious u have not comprehend that. it's ok, ditto http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1111518&postcount=15

Uh-huh. Tell me how a 50+ minute game fits into Lin Dan's gameplan.
Also, learn the meaning of words before you use them.

"it's ok, ditto", means "it's ok, I too do not understand how 'professional approach each match and player'[sic]".

Uh-huh. Tell me how a 50+ minute game fits into Lin Dan's gameplan.
Also, learn the meaning of words before you use them.

"it's ok, ditto", means "it's ok, I too do not understand how 'professional approach each match and player'[sic]".

Cooler meant ditto in respect to the post he gave a link to.

50+ mins will be nothing to a normal training session. The time or dropping a game doesn't mean anything. Maybe he just doesn't like his hotel room:rolleyes:?

Cooler meant ditto in respect to the post he gave a link to.
A post which is nothing but nonsensical personal abuse. Again, failing to back up any point whatsoever.

A post which is nothing but nonsensical personal abuse. Again, failing to back up any point whatsoever.

In relation to your post he linked to - Saying LD relies on his forehand is wrong, he uses his forehand more as he is in control and has the speed and footwork to use forehand. Him "relying" on his forehand is a positive thing, not a negative.

Everyone has their right to comment on the player. Weather that individual is bias or not towards LD or LCW, he still have the right to give supportive or negative comments based on that person individual view. There is no right or wrong in this manner. IF you guys wanted to give a better analysis, you are welcome to do so. But don't mock people's comment.

Everyone has their right to comment on the player. Weather that individual is bias or not towards LD or LCW, he still have the right to give supportive or negative comments based on that person individual view. There is no right or wrong in this manner. IF you guys wanted to give a better analysis, you are welcome to do so. But don't mock people's comment.

If the so-call 'analysis' is completely bias, with have no facts backing it up, and only include a bunch of "if's" and assumptions... wouldn't that be called an 'opinion' instead? As a matter of fact, this entire thread could have been joined together with this thread instead... http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67140

By the way, anyone who posts a comment(especially when it is a bunch of non-sense) in a public forum should be prepared that someone will disagree. Any sort of mocking, debating, or whatever should be expected. If one doesn't like it, then simply create your own blog or something, and just don't allow anyone to post anything whatsoever in your blog.

Everyone has their right to comment on the player. Weather that individual is bias or not towards LD or LCW, he still have the right to give supportive or negative comments based on that person individual view. There is no right or wrong in this manner. IF you guys wanted to give a better analysis, you are welcome to do so. But don't mock people's comment.i'm not against negative opinions but try to have at least some logic or facts behind them. If someone can find hard facts that contracdicts a hollow personal opinion, then the author of that hollow opinion is also hollow i presume. Of course, you can contradict this conclusion of mine with new facts if u have any. .

If the so-call 'analysis' is completely bias, with have no facts backing it up, and only include a bunch of "if's" and assumptions... wouldn't that be called an 'opinion' instead? As a matter of fact, this entire thread could have been joined together with this thread instead... http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67140

By the way, anyone who posts a comment(especially when it is a bunch of non-sense) in a public forum should be prepared that someone will disagree. Any sort of mocking, debating, or whatever should be expected. If one doesn't like it, then simply create your own blog or something, and just don't allow anyone to post anything whatsoever in your blog.

You may call it Opinion then. :) Its ok to debate but not mocking.

You may call it Opinion then. :) Its ok to debate but not mocking.

But to some body....no mocking ...means no fun..............:D:D

Perhaps the only "player" who can beat LD on his current form is none other than LYB. He just need to give the orders if CJ or BCL needs to improve on their ranking points (like AE07)...haha

For the other players, I think using a strategy of patience (ie clearin to the back court) is not a good idea with LD as he always comes out with a sudden killer smash, that even LCW with his incredible retrieving abilities cannot match. So I reckon you have to fight fire with fire, ie go on the attack from the word GO, provided you have sufficient stamina to sustainan all out attcking game. My 2 cents.

tempting thread title. 64-bit :D
the analysis? like 8-bit only.

my 4-bit of comment.
1. consistency- is a must. LD trained hard for this. every stroke, whether a smash, dropshot, etc.. accurate to the spot where he wants to be.
2. mentally- strategy to overcome opponent. which strategy to use against which player. Chn team seems to have better in this term.

..LCW brought his 16-bit game while Lin Dan brought his 32-bit game..
Time for LCW to do an upgrade..;)

*X Ball, i thought i was gonna get a nice reading on all the Finals' matches?? Perhaps this thread's title should be renamed to "The 64-bit Analysis of the AE MS Final"..??..

..LCW brought his 16-bit game while Lin Dan brought his 32-bit game..
Time for LCW to do an upgrade..;)

*X Ball, i thought i was gonna get a nice reading on all the Finals' matches?? Perhaps this thread's title should be renamed to "The 64-bit Analysis of the AE MS Final"..??..
lcw is the only player left standing the longest that the bolehian can cheer about. Therefore, the MS final IS the AE tournament for them:D

lcw is the only player left standing the longest that the bolehian can cheer about. Therefore, the MS final IS the AE tournament for them:D
hehe, at least better than some country's players who hardly can advance to the 2nd round itself though:eek::(

I am enjoying this, being called bias. The people who called me bias think LD is sacrosanct and if I dare make a comment, whether it is just an honest analysis, it is tantamount to a violation of sort.

Well, let me say further, LCW is sure to be fuelled by this loss and will want to exact his revenge in the near future. Take that, you people who cannot accept an opinion from others !:D

hehe, at least better than some country's players who hardly can advance to the 2nd round itself though:eek::(

True, at least LCW fight for every rounds to the final with his own efforts and sweat.

Not like some one won a major title.....like AE with helps of their team manager :D:D

Well, let me say further, LCW is sure to be fuelled by this loss and will want to exact his revenge in the near future. Take that, you people who cannot accept an opinion from others !:D

Hmm... I wonder if OG2008 or AE2009 gives LCW more fuel for his revenge. :p:p:p Sorry the bait was too tempting :p:p

Hmm... I wonder if OG2008 or AE2009 gives LCW more fuel for his revenge. :p:p:p Sorry the bait was too tempting :p:p


Well, thanks for refreshing me -- maybe it should be a double whammy revenge.:D

once again, a poor poor analysis.
just like your analysis of the 07 HKO http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50389&highlight=analysis&page=2

LCW can match up to LD because LD was using his 3rd and 4th gears.
At 17-19 first set, LD change to 5th gear, step on the gas pedal, and dusted LCW away. I say LD was testing lcw's skill progress since the OG, with no fear of lcw at all, once he saw enough, he blows lcw away.
Funny u talk about luck in the same breath about lcw's skills. Yes, in one MO lcw beat LD but that was at your home soil and massive bolehing. Yes, LD had fixed that lapse of concentration. However, it seem lcw did not since then, it seem it had degraded.

On the contrary, lcw's points came from LD's errors. LCW hardly control LD to earn his points. Yes, LCW would have won if he didn't push the shuttle out, if lcw didn't clear out, if lcw didn't lost focus, if lcw smash harder, if lcw this and that. Problem is those are all if's. People like you who refuse to accept reality and relying living on if's, they are called dreamers.

Say LD did misjudge his timing of toying around lcw in the first set and if lcw had won, LD would bury lcw in 2nd and 3rd set anyway. You talk like IF lcw had won the 1st set, it's a given that lcw would have won the title, you're day dreaming.

This analysis of your is a literal description of your day dreaming.

I believe anyone who watched the MS AE final will agree that LCW got a beating by a LD who was only playing at 70%. Well, a majority will agree as there are always a select few who will argue otherwise. They will bring into their argument everything under the sun i.e. LD had an easier SF, LYB fixed the SF between LD & CJ, LD has 3 months rest, LD is more popular amongst the girls etc etc etc.

Personally, after countless debates and run ins with the Boleh fans & their associates and what have nots, I believe we need to allow these Boleh fans to take home some sort of a consolation. And I see this thread created by XBall as a consolation.

Bro, lets give these Boleh fans an escape route so that they can do the Asian thing i.e. save face. As such, if they think the first set was close and LCW was just unlucky etc, I say allow them that. You know, Boleh fans have taken several severe beatings already. Remember they were super confident that LCW will win the OG gold, and what they saw in the end was LCW being made to look like a rookie by LD. And in the AE, it was another round of beating.

Let them or XBall have this consolation prize as the OG gold, WC (2) & AE (4) are all now on display in LD's trophy cabinet.

I believe anyone who watched the MS AE final will agree that LCW got a beating by a LD who was only playing at 70%.

Then,he decided to reduce it into 30 %? 40%? 50? when he play against the India player.
What's his name again? The Bhat guy?
What happen? lost one game to one 33rd seeded player?:eek:,
He perhaps not familiar with this guy's style of game and kinda unable to read him. He better learn this lesson.
LCW should be able to explore more on his own game and keep fighting to be at par with him, not continuously 'adores' ld's game.That's what Ld fans hoping LCW to do.
So my point, as u mentioned, LCW may beat LD sometimes.We are trying to help LCW to make it happen more often.(Yes,help him by saying he's capable to win ). Don't say no to him.

Ld became world num 1 at the age of 20. Lee Chong Wei had just started by that time.
Eventhough he's 26 and Ld's 25, you should know the gap of experience here.
When Ld is better in handling pressure, i am not suprised.
This is somehow, another weakness of LCW. Will he work on that? We hope.
20 Years Old = WR1 -That strenghten the fact that Ld's an awesome player.
For instance, he's the best but who can predict tommorow?

So, Dear Pemuda, Doubtness and Denial are not the issues.

When some Malaysians are trying to help LCW in terms of this, why it bother people so much?We did no harm to anyone.

So, for the Swiss Open, this analysis, no matter how 'bias' and 'poor' , should be able to provide him ways to improve and be better.

Ld became world num 1 at the age of 20. Lee Chong Wei had just started by that time.
Eventhough he's 26 and Ld's 25, you should know the gap of experience here.
When Ld is better in handling pressure, i am not suprised.
This is somehow, another weakness of LCW. Will he work on that? We hope.
20 Years Old = WR1 -That strenghten the fact that Ld's an awesome player.
For instance, he's the best but who can predict tommorow?



When I see LCW winning handle pressure I may believe this. I cannot see it though. LCW game relies on speed as he gets older he can only get worse. Nerves may get better but on this count these things are hard to lose and will always haunt.

The bottom line is he isn't good enough. This isn't a under 24 or "no experienced players allowed" this is real life top level badminton. You have to be up to it, no excuses.

I've tried my best to not use the 'experience' factor in determining who's better than the other. It is not an argument.Merely a state of facts.It explained why LD is somehow better when it comes to cope with pressure.

When LCW is not able to be a better player, it's because he is not good enough.Aye.
Just because LD plays better than him, does it mean he need to tell himself LD will win each time?
The LCW fans here are being natural, try to help him as much as we can.
There must be a way to beat a player that plays better than you, by playing better than him next time.The journey goes on.Until LCW himself say no.It's a full stop then.

*The same goes to kkk/tbh.Never stop supporting until they decided to stop playing.

Then,he decided to reduce it into 30 %? 40%? 50? when he play against the India player.
What's his name again? The Bhat guy?
What happen? lost one game to one 33rd seeded player?:eek:,
He perhaps not familiar with this guy's style of game and kinda unable to read him. He better learn this lesson.
LCW should be able to explore more on his own game and keep fighting to be at par with him, not continuously 'adores' ld's game.That's what Ld fans hoping LCW to do.
So my point, as u mentioned, LCW may beat LD sometimes.We are trying to help LCW to make it happen more often.(Yes,help him by saying he's capable to win ). Don't say no to him.

Ld became world num 1 at the age of 20. Lee Chong Wei had just started by that time.
Eventhough he's 26 and Ld's 25, you should know the gap of experience here.
When Ld is better in handling pressure, i am not suprised.
This is somehow, another weakness of LCW. Will he work on that? We hope.
20 Years Old = WR1 -That strenghten the fact that Ld's an awesome player.
For instance, he's the best but who can predict tommorow?

So, Dear Pemuda, Doubtness and Denial are not the issues.

When some Malaysians are trying to help LCW in terms of this, why it bother people so much?We did no harm to anyone.

So, for the Swiss Open, this analysis, no matter how 'bias' and 'poor' , should be able to provide him ways to improve and be better.koo fan, sound like u rarely play badminton or only watching guys and fashion in tournaments. LD has his numbers on LCW, this doesn't mean he extend the same exertion level to all his opponents. U say if LD use 70% effort on lcw, therefore, LD needed very low effort level (ex. 25%) to beat a first rounder. It doesnt work like that. Go read Oldhand's post on tips to BAM.

I believe anyone who watched the MS AE final will agree that LCW got a beating by a LD who was only playing at 70%. Well, a majority will agree as there are always a select few who will argue otherwise. They will bring into their argument everything under the sun i.e. LD had an easier SF, LYB fixed the SF between LD & CJ, LD has 3 months rest, LD is more popular amongst the girls etc etc etc.

Personally, after countless debates and run ins with the Boleh fans & their associates and what have nots, I believe we need to allow these Boleh fans to take home some sort of a consolation. And I see this thread created by XBall as a consolation.

Bro, lets give these Boleh fans an escape route so that they can do the Asian thing i.e. save face. As such, if they think the first set was close and LCW was just unlucky etc, I say allow them that. You know, Boleh fans have taken several severe beatings already. Remember they were super confident that LCW will win the OG gold, and what they saw in the end was LCW being made to look like a rookie by LD. And in the AE, it was another round of beating.

Let them or XBall have this consolation prize as the OG gold, WC (2) & AE (4) are all now on display in LD's trophy cabinet.

after repeatedly making wrong game analysis and outlook for LCW from those bolehians, i come to draw a suspicion that these hardcore bolehians didn't got the benefits from attending chinese schooling that u have talk about;):D It really baffles me how with all the readily available videos of LCW games, many game analysis by many posters here, they are still pounding on the same old rock.

koo fan, sound like u rarely play badminton or only watching guys and fashion in tournaments. LD has his numbers on LCW, this doesn't mean he extend the same exertion level to all his opponents. U say if LD use 70% effort on lcw, therefore, LD needed very low effort level (ex. 25%) to beat a first rounder. It doesnt work like that. Go read Oldhand's post on tips to BAM.
He's almost get trash out by unknown players several times, in early round matches.
Living out of the batch of professional players, my only assumption is he take it a little easy when he doesn't need to beat top seeded opponents.
The other explanation is he's unfamiliar with their games.
But, he is Ld.In the end, he won.

U say if LD use 70% effort on lcw, therefore, LD needed very low effort level (ex. 25%) to beat a first rounder.
He decided to use 'very low effort level'.

It really baffles me how with all the readily available videos of LCW games, many game analysis by many posters here, they are still pounding on the same old rock.

You know what's wrong with this?
When others' implying the same issue with different perception, you have problem with that.
Can we try to agree to disagree?

You know what's wrong with this?
When others' implying the same issue with different perception, you have problem with that.
Can we try to agree to disagree?

Koo_fan, I am happy that LCW seems a very important player in badminton today, as so many people like to talk about him, so many people focus on him, ever since after Olympic and AE final...Even some hard core LD fans and hard core MAS bashers also spent whole week just to talk about him......I think LCW's popularity has gone up so much.....closing to LD now..good for him...;)

Then,he decided to reduce it into 30 %? 40%? 50? when he play against the India player.
What's his name again? The Bhat guy?
What happen? lost one game to one 33rd seeded player?:eek:,
He perhaps not familiar with this guy's style of game and kinda unable to read him. He better learn this lesson.
LCW should be able to explore more on his own game and keep fighting to be at par with him, not continuously 'adores' ld's game.That's what Ld fans hoping LCW to do.
So my point, as u mentioned, LCW may beat LD sometimes.We are trying to help LCW to make it happen more often.(Yes,help him by saying he's capable to win ). Don't say no to him.

Yes, LD dropped one game against that Indian shuttler. He still beat the guy in the end.

Of course, LCW will beat LD one day. Like I said, 10 meetings, LD will take 7, plus all the major titles are in his bag already. As for LCW, the reality is he will be too old come OG 2012. He missed his best and last chance to win the AE this year. Now, the WC this year is his last and only chance to bag a major title.

Ld became world num 1 at the age of 20. Lee Chong Wei had just started by that time.
Eventhough he's 26 and Ld's 25, you should know the gap of experience here.
When Ld is better in handling pressure, i am not suprised.
This is somehow, another weakness of LCW. Will he work on that? We hope.
20 Years Old = WR1 -That strenghten the fact that Ld's an awesome player.
For instance, he's the best but who can predict tommorow?

We dont have to argue who is a better shuttler, we all know LD is miles ahead of LCW. LD is already a legend while LCW is just an above average shuttler slighty one category higher than the likes of Rashid Sidek.

So, Dear Pemuda, Doubtness and Denial are not the issues.

When some Malaysians are trying to help LCW in terms of this, why it bother people so much?We did no harm to anyone.

So, for the Swiss Open, this analysis, no matter how 'bias' and 'poor' , should be able to provide him ways to improve and be better.

Malaysians, I mean Malaysia Bolehians need to wake up and accept reality that there is no way a Proton can compete with the likes of Hondas, Toyotas, BMWs in the world market.

We have our little champion in LCW, our MS WR1 village champion. Lets just accept him as that and forget about those grand plans of winning our first OG gold in 2012 and etc.

I believe anyone who watched the MS AE final will agree that LCW got a beating by a LD who was only playing at 70%. Well, a majority will agree as there are always a select few who will argue otherwise. They will bring into their argument everything under the sun i.e. LD had an easier SF, LYB fixed the SF between LD & CJ, LD has 3 months rest, LD is more popular amongst the girls etc etc etc.

Personally, after countless debates and run ins with the Boleh fans & their associates and what have nots, I believe we need to allow these Boleh fans to take home some sort of a consolation. And I see this thread created by XBall as a consolation.

Bro, lets give these Boleh fans an escape route so that they can do the Asian thing i.e. save face. As such, if they think the first set was close and LCW was just unlucky etc, I say allow them that. You know, Boleh fans have taken several severe beatings already. Remember they were super confident that LCW will win the OG gold, and what they saw in the end was LCW being made to look like a rookie by LD. And in the AE, it was another round of beating.

Let them or XBall have this consolation prize as the OG gold, WC (2) & AE (4) are all now on display in LD's trophy cabinet.


Dear Pemuda,
I have been following your posts for some time and I do believe some of your point is right, ie, KKK/TBH recent performances, KKK flamboyant kind of display, LCW mental toughness, KBH/HH wasting our tax money or even BAM/ coaches set-up. Most of our point of arguement is right. I believe Boleh fans can see that as well. But i am disappointed with your above posts
moreover by a fellow Malaysian.
I can see that most so called Boleh fans including me will keep on supporting our players no matter what the result is. We keep on support our players with the hope that one day, we will be able to nail one major titles, AE, OG or WC. The spirit is always there no matter how much beatings, bashings and humilations (as stated by you, i highlighted). What X-Ball did is part of his effort so that one day LCW can beat LD and win a major title. You can labelled us as Dreamers, like to boast when we won ayam brand titles or Johor GPs and take consolations....but X-Ball does not deserve this...

after repeatedly making wrong game analysis and outlook for LCW from those bolehians, i come to draw a suspicion that these hardcore bolehians didn't got the benefits from attending chinese schooling that u have talk about;):D It really baffles me how with all the readily available videos of LCW games, many game analysis by many posters here, they are still pounding on the same old rock.

Maybe it is pure blind faith? :D;)

Yes, LD dropped one game against that Indian shuttler. He still beat the guy in the end.

Of course, LCW will beat LD one day. Like I said, 10 meetings, LD will take 7, plus all the major titles are in his bag already. As for LCW, the reality is he will be too old come OG 2012. He missed his best and last chance to win the AE this year. Now, the WC this year is his last and only chance to bag a major title.



We dont have to argue who is a better shuttler, we all know LD is miles ahead of LCW. LD is already a legend while LCW is just an above average shuttler slighty one category higher than the likes of Rashid Sidek.



Malaysians, I mean Malaysia Bolehians need to wake up and accept reality that there is no way a Proton can compete with the likes of Hondas, Toyotas, BMWs in the world market.

We have our little champion in LCW, our MS WR1 village champion. Lets just accept him as that and forget about those grand plans of winning our first OG gold in 2012 and etc.


cool death sentence by you :cool::cool::cool:

Maybe it is pure blind faith? :D;)Nope. Just like how they think about LCW versus LD, it's all luck, the bad luck kind:D:cool:

Dear Pemuda,
I have been following your posts for some time and I do believe some of your point is right, ie, KKK/TBH recent performances, KKK flamboyant kind of display, LCW mental toughness, KBH/HH wasting our tax money or even BAM/ coaches set-up. Most of our point of arguement is right. I believe Boleh fans can see that as well. But i am disappointed with your above posts
moreover by a fellow Malaysian.
I can see that most so called Boleh fans including me will keep on supporting our players no matter what the result is. We keep on support our players with the hope that one day, we will be able to nail one major titles, AE, OG or WC. The spirit is always there no matter how much beatings, bashings and humilations (as stated by you, i highlighted). What X-Ball did is part of his effort so that one day LCW can beat LD and win a major title. You can labelled us as Dreamers, like to boast when we won ayam brand titles or Johor GPs and take consolations....but X-Ball does not deserve this...

My dearest danielwong,

I can see you are taking another approach this time round and I applaud you for taking the initiative to try something different or be creative.

I am indeed sorry to note that you are disappointed with my posting. I am sorry if you find the facts a little too hard to swallow at one go. But facts are facts and whether I am Malaysian or Somalian, we cannot alter facts.

If our system is not right, we can support, shout Malaysia Boleh, bang em' Boleh gongs and drums till the end of time we will still find ourselves going nowhere. We are still in the hoping and praying mode while others like Denmark, England, Korea, China, Indonesia even USA have won the major titles.

I am sorry to note that for telling the facts as is you see that I am bashing Malaysia. Anyway, it is your opinion and I respect that.

Lastly, I am not disappointed with your theory about XBall. Lets just say I expected that.

cool death sentence by you :cool::cool::cool:

Who said accepting reality is easy?

But I think we may have a chance in the Indian Open.

But I think we may have a chance in the Indian Open.


sure we will......high five :cool::cool::cool:

But I think we may have a chance in the Indian Open.
Pemuda, know that you are sweet when you're saying this?

Pemuda, know that you are sweet when you're saying this?yupe, the titles that LD would give up to LCW are those low stars tournaments. Don't get your hope too high for WC, AE, and OG tho

yupe, the titles that LD would give up to LCW are those low stars tournaments. Don't get your hope too high for WC, AE, and OG tho
cooler, always good to have a start.
Pemuda's sweet.don't tell me u have problem with this too.

cooler, always good to have a start.
Pemuda's sweet.don't tell me u have problem with this too.I'll leave that to LD to decide whether he feel generous that week or not

yupe, the titles that LD would give up to LCW are those low stars tournaments. Don't get your hope too high for WC, AE, and OG tho


:eek::eek: i thought is coz of LD is too scared of curry? :D:D:D

yupe, the titles that LD would give up to LCW are those low stars tournaments. Don't get your hope too high for WC, AE, and OG tho

After the OG Beijing MS final ....

LCW: I dont know what else to do
LD: Come on cheer up, mate. Lets take the girlfriends out. I buy dinner.

LCW: I got no mood. I trained so hard and yet I got this lesson from you.
LD: Listen, you and I are good friends. Tell me what can I do?

LCW: I dunno ... I dunno .... just that I need to win something.
LD: hmm... ok, here is what I can do ...

LCW: Yes, yes .... tell me .... please
LD: OG gold, you be an old man come 2012, forget it.

LCW: err ...
LD: AE; WC ... I will play you at 70%. Give you a handicap

LCW: Ohhh really!!! You are so kind.
LD: No problem, mate. After all, I have won these a few times already.

LCW: What about the rest??
LD: You greedy little bugger ... Ok you can take the rest like Cambodia, Phillippines, Vietnam, Brunei, Indian, Hollywood, Disneyland Opens.

LCW: What about the SSF??
LD: You want that too ... ok, take it.

I'll leave that to LD to decide whether he feel generous that week or not

Well,
tell him, be generous a little bit. will he?

What's there with India Open compare to AE?
right Lin dan?
high 5!

My dearest danielwong,

I can see you are taking another approach this time round and I applaud you for taking the initiative to try something different or be creative.

I am indeed sorry to note that you are disappointed with my posting. I am sorry if you find the facts a little too hard to swallow at one go. But facts are facts and whether I am Malaysian or Somalian, we cannot alter facts.

If our system is not right, we can support, shout Malaysia Boleh, bang em' Boleh gongs and drums till the end of time we will still find ourselves going nowhere. We are still in the hoping and praying mode while others like Denmark, England, Korea, China, Indonesia even USA have won the major titles.

I am sorry to note that for telling the facts as is you see that I am bashing Malaysia. Anyway, it is your opinion and I respect that.

Lastly, I am not disappointed with your theory about XBall. Lets just say I expected that.



no one is denying the facts...at least i am not....
hard to swallow? Boleh fans swallow much more than that
er....i mean from the beatings and humilations :cool::cool::cool:

Before the OG Beijing MS, after Thomas Cup SF

LD: hai...I must win OG gold at home
LCW: Come on cheer up, mate. Lets take the girlfriends out. I buy dinner.

LD: I got no mood. I trained so hard and yet I got this lesson from you.
LCW: Listen, you and I are good friends. Tell me what can I do?

LD: I dunno ... I dunno .... just that I need to win OG.
LCW: hmm... ok, here is what I can do ...

LD: Yes, yes .... tell me .... please
LCW: OG gold, you be an old man come 2012, forget it.

LD: err ...
LCW: OG ... I will play you at 70%. Give you a handicap

LD: Ohhh really!!! You are so kind.
LCW: No problem, mate. After all, I can get Datukship anyway.

LD: What about the rest??
LCW: You greedy little bugger ... Ok you can take the rest like CO, next year AE.....

LCW:Er.... What about the SSF??
LD: You want that ... ok, take it.[/quote]
ok peace :D:D:D

Before the OG Beijing MS, after Thomas Cup SF

LD: hai...I must win OG gold at home
LCW: Come on cheer up, mate. Lets take the girlfriends out. I buy dinner.

LD: I got no mood. I trained so hard and yet I got this lesson from you.
LCW: Listen, you and I are good friends. Tell me what can I do?

LD: I dunno ... I dunno .... just that I need to win OG.
LCW: hmm... ok, here is what I can do ...

LD: Yes, yes .... tell me .... please
LCW: OG gold, you be an old man come 2012, forget it.

LD: err ...
LCW: OG ... I will play you at 70%. Give you a handicap

LD: Ohhh really!!! You are so kind.
LCW: No problem, mate. After all, I can get Datukship anyway.

LD: What about the rest??
LCW: You greedy little bugger ... Ok you can take the rest like CO, next year AE.....

LCW:Er.... What about the SSF??
LD: You want that ... ok, take it.
ok peace :D:D:D

Peace la, no problem. ;)
Whether we are Boleh fan or not, we should be big enough to accept the banters and all.

...
Now, the WC this year is his last and only chance to bag a major title.
...
..barring injury to LCW, i have a funny feeling LCW might pull one out @ the WC this yr in India. Simply, LD might not be able to adapt well to the atmosphere/surrounding. Of course, Dato LCW has to beat the other top players.;)

..barring injury to LCW, i have a funny feeling LCW might pull one out @ the WC this yr in India. Simply, LD might not be able to adapt well to the atmosphere/surrounding. Of course, Dato LCW has to beat the other top players.;)


yeah, i like that....high five, okie??? :D:D:D

..it's no guarantee Dato LCW will win it. Just that, if he reaches the Final, he might not face LinDan. It was just a funny feeling............. in my tummy..

..it's no guarantee Dato LCW will win it. Just that, if he reaches the Final, he might not face LinDan. It was just a funny feeling............. in my tummy..


ok...keep that in your tummy...
:D

..it's no guarantee Dato LCW will win it. Just that, if he reaches the Final, he might not face LinDan. It was just a funny feeling............. in my tummy..


LD needs to win this else I will have my last laugh on the guys who extol LD to be the invincible.

You can't win it all. LCW is no sucker for life. He had won against LD and it is not impossible on his day.

Yes, I like to see whether we will still say LD plays to 70% of his ability if LCW springs his surprise.

LD needs to win this else I will have my last laugh on the guys who extol LD to be the invincible.

You can't win it all. LCW is no sucker for life. He had won against LD and it is not impossible on his day.

Yes, I like to see whether we will still say LD plays to 70% of his ability if LCW springs his surprise.if u still have to keep seeing if lcw could beat LD or if LD is using subpar ability to beat lcw, then u have one short memory problem because not long ago, the last two head to head contest, LD clubbered lcw.

Yes, LD will beat LCW at 100%, but if Lin Dan has a bad day then LCW could win at 100% himself. It's not inconceivable that Lin Dan should have a bad day - he is human after all.. regardless of "badminton alien" rumours floating around ;D

we were at the AE (front row) last week. after the match between LD and LCW, LD said something to LCD at the net that my wife lip-read and told me what LD said was 'keep working on it'.

if u still have to keep seeing if lcw could beat LD or if LD is using subpar ability to beat lcw, then u have one short memory problem because not long ago, the last two head to head contest, LD clubbered lcw.

And you have great memory ? Oh please, don't patronise yourself.

Did you not remember how LCW came from 13-20 to beat LD once before. Oh yes, I know what you are going to say -- that was won with home crowd, it did not count - another convenient excuse of many you made.

Did Taufik not beat many before him but now loses to guys he beat easily before ? And yet, you think LD will always win but if he loses I am sure you will come up with another excuse. Your contradiction is no worse than anybody else. You are so transparent - we can tell you a mile away.

we were at the AE (front row) last week. after the match between LD and LCW, LD said something to LCD at the net that my wife lip-read and told me what LD said was 'keep working on it'.

Lol @ keep working on it
:D

we were at the AE (front row) last week. after the match between LD and LCW, LD said something to LCD at the net that my wife lip-read and told me what LD said was 'keep working on it'.

Your wife was wrong. LD actually said I had to beat you because I had not work for 3 months and the mortgage needs paying off. And LCW said it is fair, I earned all the money when you were away.

I think LD and LCW are both blessed with money as we speak.

LD has a lot of product endorsements in China, whereas LCW got some hefty rewards for bringing home the silver.

Too bad they are not equal when it comes to playing badminton.:D:D:D