View Full Version : The fishy draw again at Swiss


2cents
03-11-2009, 12:22 PM
badminton draws are always fishy, there is no exception at Swiss open.

All the 4 Chinese women doubles are the top 4 best, ironically, they are all in the same quarter. What's the chance! (1/4)^4=0.3%. Statiscially this is an unlike event.

The all england finals meet at the 1st round. This is also very interesting.

yen_saw
03-11-2009, 12:27 PM
I believed the draw is based on bwf seeding.:)

ye333
03-11-2009, 12:30 PM
It's (1/4)^3 not (1/4)^4. Because the question is: what is the probability of the other 3 pairs be drawn into the highest ranked pair's quarter.

badminton draws are always fishy, there is no exception at Swiss open.

All the 4 Chinese women doubles are the top 4 best, ironically, they are all in the same quarter. What's the chance! (1/4)^4=0.3%. Statiscially this is an unlike event.

The all england finals meet at the 1st round. This is also very interesting.

2cents
03-11-2009, 12:39 PM
It's (1/4)^3 not (1/4)^4. Because the question is: what is the probability of the other 3 pairs be drawn into the highest ranked pair's quarter.

sure, no problem, you are more accurate, but (1/4)^3 is still slim chance, about 1%. Thanks for making it more accurate.

Neil Nicholls
03-11-2009, 01:10 PM
It's (1/4)^3 not (1/4)^4.
it's only (1/4)^3 if there are an infinite number of places available in a random draw.

with 16 places available it's
(3/15) * (2/14) * (1/13) = 0.2%

with 32 places available it's
(7/31) * (6/30) * (5/29) = 0.8%

Viper2005
03-11-2009, 01:21 PM
Bao and CJ meet first round!

Lin Dan gonna have easy games up to the final....

Lin Dan beats Arvind....
Lin Dan walk over from Yi Lu
Lin Dan beats whoever is next
Lin Dan walk over from CJ
Lin Dan easy match over tired LCW.

Another easy title for Lin Dan! Yeah.:D:D:D

Maybe Lin Dan will let Chen Jin have a easy game over LCW.

illusionistpro
03-11-2009, 01:27 PM
Statistics on draws are kind of pointless. Regardless, the top players will meet at some point in the tournament whether its the 1st, 2nd or later round and the best player will (usually) win. Thats just how tournaments work, interesting isnt it.

robin7
03-11-2009, 02:54 PM
badminton draws are always fishy, there is no exception at Swiss open.

All the 4 Chinese women doubles are the top 4 best, ironically, they are all in the same quarter. What's the chance! (1/4)^4=0.3%. Statiscially this is an unlike event.

The all england finals meet at the 1st round. This is also very interesting.
Top 4 according to u but according to world ranking.:rolleyes:

FYI
WR#6 DJ/YY [4]
WR#7 ZYL/CS [unseeded]
WR#18 PP/TQ [unseeded]
WR#30 ZYW/ZTT [7]

volcom
03-11-2009, 06:48 PM
Bao and CJ meet first round!

Lin Dan gonna have easy games up to the final....

Lin Dan beats Arvind....
Lin Dan walk over from Yi Lu
Lin Dan beats whoever is next
Lin Dan walk over from CJ
Lin Dan easy match over tired LCW.

Another easy title for Lin Dan! Yeah.:D:D:D

Maybe Lin Dan will let Chen Jin have a easy game over LCW.
By your LOL logic, so Chen Jin just has to be fresh, to win against LCW?

jasonmarc
03-12-2009, 12:17 AM
By your LOL logic, so Chen Jin just has to be fresh, to win against LCW?

Dont need ! .............CJ can recover from the injury that caused him to walk out of AE SF.....................that fast................with this recovering rates....he dont have to be fresh to win over LCW........:D:D:D

george@chongwei
03-12-2009, 02:03 AM
Bao and CJ meet first round!

Lin Dan gonna have easy games up to the final....

Lin Dan beats Arvind....
Lin Dan walk over from Yi Lu
Lin Dan beats whoever is next
Lin Dan walk over from CJ
Lin Dan easy match over tired LCW.

Another easy title for Lin Dan! Yeah.:D:D:D

Maybe Lin Dan will let Chen Jin have a easy game over LCW.
its true that you are on the disneyland playground now;):D

pjswift
03-12-2009, 03:17 AM
badminton draws are always fishy, there is no exception at Swiss open.

All the 4 Chinese women doubles are the top 4 best, ironically, they are all in the same quarter. What's the chance! (1/4)^4=0.3%. Statiscially this is an unlike event.

The all england finals meet at the 1st round. This is also very interesting.
Have you checked how many non-CHN players are meeting their teammates? Do you think that's fishy?
It just means CHN fielded many players per event.If CHN fielded only one per event,the fish will disappear.

hcyong
03-12-2009, 06:11 AM
it's only (1/4)^3 if there are an infinite number of places available in a random draw.

with 16 places available it's
(3/15) * (2/14) * (1/13) = 0.2%

with 32 places available it's
(7/31) * (6/30) * (5/29) = 0.8%

Actually,

4th-seed got a slot.
7th-seed only has 4 possible slots
Unseededs only has 24 possible slots as the other 8 slots are taken by seeds.

So, the chances are
(1/4) * (6/24) * (5/23) = 1.4%

hcyong
03-12-2009, 06:21 AM
But other than that, I don't for a moment subscribe in conspiracy theories about the draw. You can always find something fishy about ANY draw.

jutawin
03-12-2009, 08:39 AM
Lindan will win swiss open..
If there is no miracle happen.

Wong8Egg
03-12-2009, 03:17 PM
Bao and CJ meet first round!

Lin Dan gonna have easy games up to the final....

Lin Dan beats Arvind....
Lin Dan walk over from Yi Lu
Lin Dan beats whoever is next
Lin Dan walk over from CJ
Lin Dan easy match over tired LCW.

Another easy title for Lin Dan! Yeah.:D:D:D

Maybe Lin Dan will let Chen Jin have a easy game over LCW.

You should really thank CJ, he'd make you feel that much better when LD beat LCW again. win win for both u and LD. :D

george@chongwei
03-13-2009, 02:05 AM
Lindan will win swiss open..
If there is no miracle happen.
relax;)
just wait and see the outcome later;)

cooler
03-13-2009, 02:09 AM
You should really thank CJ, he'd make you feel that much better when LD beat LCW again. win win for both u and LD. :D
ya, isn't it great to have so many fixing options??:D

Now i don't even have to defend china fixings, since it is SO ENVIED by the opposition now, like, we can brag about it even.