** THUD!!!** It all came crashing down, Malaysia Boleh style

MS WR1 packed off nicely in the 1st round by a junior chinese shuttler. On the side note, in the near future, I hope our back up to the elite or whatever elite or super elite juniors we have now can do likewise and upset China's top man, LD in the first round and send the man packing.

I hope our MS WR1, SO champion wont be packed off again in Hyderabad in the first round come 5 months time.

Let's not count this India Open as a failure in view of this 1st round bye bye. Dear bolehians, lets all form a circle, hold hands and list down the positives from this India Open trip in view of the WC in Aug. The positives I can think of are as follows:

LCW will know which are the good indian restaurants to go to as compared to LD
LCW will know where to shop for the best bargains
LCW will be able to recommend to KKK/TBH which hair saloon in Hyderabad to go to during the WC.
LCW gets to fly home early to KL just in time to catch Akademi FantasiaAs such, this exit is not that bad really. Whats important is the WC in Aug. Lets hope and slaughter a goat and a rooster so that come Aug in Hyderabad, our LCW will have both luck and strength to pull through.

Malaysia semua boleh punya!!!

i think positive #1 should be:

1. LCW will know which are the BAD indian restaurants (that gave him the food poisoning) to avoid as compared to LD:D

In that case, my thread should be 'From Whitewashing to unfortunate food poisoning in less than 14 day'

If falling ill is considered an excuse & failure.... , then Malaysian players must be like super human, cannot fall sick one :p. In that case, when other countries players fall ill/injured & lost, then also must start new thread, will have many new threads.:D

what is this? :eek::eek:
LCW :confused::confused::confused:
fall ill?
real or not?

Where and when is it written here in this thread that falling ill is an excuse?? :o

if he is ill, i think at least we can spare him this excuse
or else...i am kinda disappointed with this results
if he is tired or something, he shouldnt show up in Hyderabad

If falling ill is considered an excuse & failure.... , then Malaysian players must be like super human, cannot fall sick one :p. In that case, when other countries players fall ill/injured & lost, then also must start new thread, will have many new threads.:D

Your eagle eyes missed this :p

[...]Lets not count this India Open as a failure in view of this 1st round bye bye.[...]

Did anyone PAW for this :p???

LCW kalah in 1st round ... NO BIG DEAL ... sometime u menang sometime u kalah ... glad to see young player win this tournmt ..... i still believe LCW BOLEH in WC :p

if he is ill, i think at least we can spare him this excuse
or else...i am kinda disappointed with this results
if he is tired or something, he shouldnt show up in Hyderabad

I think it is more due to fatigue than anything else. I mean the poor lad have been away since the AE flying all over playing badminton, staying in nice hotels and I am sure he is already starting to miss home already.

If it is food poisoning, the entire Malaysian entourage would have been hit.

Its time we bring the poor lad home. Let him rest up and he will be back bolehing in no time.

Your eagle eyes missed this :p

Miss, where got miss? Read again esp paragraph 2 to 5 (?), it's exactly what it means : FAILURE and the mocking thereafter. If not, why need to start new thread.

Or our Oldhand purposely pretend dunno & MIS-understand again. SUpposed to have a lot.... of new threads, cos sure got players injured lah, sicklah(PG broke his toe, remember, at home some more, tsk tsk) :p:p:D

Meanwhile, anyone know why Liew Daren's match still no results?

Now this is a rather unpleasant surprise! :(

It goes to show how many talented juniors China really has and it wont be any easier for LCW and other non-CHN aspirants.

Imagine LCW beating the daylights out of (almost 'whitewashing') Chen Long in the first game allowing him to score only 7 points and then losing the next two. Now this is something which the two datuks have to seriously look into and find a solution for before the WC.

Surely a headline news for unseeded junior Chen Long to beat the WR1! :eek:

I think it is more due to fatigue than anything else. I mean the poor lad have been away since the AE flying all over playing badminton, staying in nice hotels and I am sure he is already starting to miss home already.

If it is food poisoning, the entire Malaysian entourage would have been hit.

Its time we bring the poor lad home. Let him rest up and he will be back bolehing in no time.


Seriously, this is quite true. Three tournaments in a month is rather tiring.

At this level of the game, it's surely strange if one decides to play when ill.
After all, this was just a first round match, not a final or a semi-final or a match that would decide the winner of a team championship.

If Lee Chong Wei were too ill to play, would it not be saner and safer to withdraw from the tournament? He could also have done so at any stage of the match.

In fact, had he withdrawn after the first game, that would have stood in his favour as he had won the opener. (I'm pretty certain that someone will respond to this with allusions to tales of courage, sacrifice and commitment!)

But, to trot out what is definitely an excuse after being felled by someone who is yet a bystander in the Chinese side isn't quite becoming of the World # 1 :o

Years from now, Chong Wei's loss will remain on record.
The excuse, founded or not, will fade from memory.

I dont under some of boleh fans here. What is so wrong with that word; failure???

LCW today got beaten by a better shuttler today, period. And that shuttler is a junior Chinese shuttler, fact. What is so wrong with losing?

Who knows... maybe Chen Long really is that good now :D?

Pemuda..I believe this Hyderabad is a place for surprise.. Maybe in the next 5 month time, you will need to create a thread "From Whitewashing to zero;from zero to HERO!" As LCW won the WC....Promise ok?

Did anyone PAW for this :p???
im sure there's one or two who did paw on CL....:(

whatever reason, LCW is still normal human...
accept the failure...
and bounce back to win WC in Hyderabad again
maybe he is just wanna practise "bounce back
from the place he fall down"???:cool::cool::cool:

At this level of the game, it's surely strange if one decides to play when ill.
After all, this was just a first round match, not a final or a semi-final or a match that would decide the winner of a team championship.

If Lee Chong Wei were too ill to play, would it not be saner and safer to withdraw from the tournament? He could also have done so at any stage of the match.

In fact, had he withdrawn after the first game, that would have stood in his favour as he had won the opener. (I'm pretty certain that someone will respond to this with allusions to tales of courage, sacrifice and commitment!)

...

Errrr......Oldhand, you really dont catch the mentality of decision makers, media, fans, etc, I'll put it to cultural differences.:p

Remember what happened to uncle CTF when he withdrew in TC 2008, when he had fever & flu, how CTF was blasted by Rexy, that Rexy felt CTF should have played anyway. There were hordes of criticism then.
If CTF played while sick & Msia lost, then you all will say "why didnt withdraw"? THey would not have retired halfway if CTF went on to play.

Withdrawing before tourney even started, after going all the way there? :eek::eek: Wasting tax payers $$$$$ :p:p. Unless LCW cant get out of bed at all(like what happened to CCM one time), the illness reason would not have accepted by the decision makers. Then there'll be comments "hiyaa, minor illness also cannot play, so weak."

LOL, it would not be considered "courageous" or safe to withdraw after winning the 1st set. Or losing the 2nd set, not in the 1st round. In KO 2008, LCW retired in 2nd round, that also got questions afterward.

Oh yeah, other examples : there was one time CCM got food poisoning. He was the only one who feel really ill, his team mates were not effected. That too provided all of them went to eat the same food.

Remember one time LCW vs CJ, CJ's back was obviously troubling him, for sure will lose, but CJ didnt retire, played till the end. Fighting spirit or stupidity?


Basically.... withdraw problem, dont withdraw also problem.;);)

Phew, sorry for long windedness, India Open thread, also becoming, long winded

At this level of the game, it's surely strange if one decides to play when ill.
After all, this was just a first round match, not a final or a semi-final or a match that would decide the winner of a team championship.

If Lee Chong Wei were too ill to play, would it not be saner and safer to withdraw from the tournament? He could also have done so at any stage of the match.

In fact, had he withdrawn after the first game, that would have stood in his favour as he had won the opener. (I'm pretty certain that someone will respond to this with allusions to tales of courage, sacrifice and commitment!)

But, to trot out what is definitely an excuse after being felled by someone who is yet a bystander in the Chinese side isn't quite becoming of the World # 1 :o

Years from now, Chong Wei's loss will remain on record.
The excuse, founded or not, will fade from memory.
This is not good advice, encouraging quitters like CJ (and Djokovic of tennis)
It's easy for someone to pay someone to add extra ingredient to LCW's order.(But then what would LCW eat during WC in Aug? Mac or KFC? Poor thing)But CL outfoxed him.Gave away G1 to con LCW into letting his guard down in G2 and then unleashed his smashes in G3.Same thing with WCH.(CHN must have picked up the idea from LM.LHI did the same thing to LD in KO08, though the ending was more spectacular).
Well CL must have rote-trained 150% to beat LCW,just like any CHN MS.Would be fascinating to see how well he does against IND MS which he probably did not train for.Years from now, does it matter if this loss is on record?
LCW has brought glory to badminton as the first UNICEF goodwill ambassador and is WR1. Surely he can afford to lose to the current WJC? Maybe LYB should fast-track CL.

[...]Remember what happened to uncle CTF when he withdrew in TC 2008, when he had fever & flu, how CTF was blasted by Rexy, that Rexy felt CTF should have played anyway. There were hordes of criticism then.
If CTF played while sick & Msia lost, then you all will say "why didnt withdraw"? THey would not have retired halfway if CTF went on to play.


Firstly, the Thomas Cup is a team event - the stakes are higher.
Secondly, CTF is a doubles player - he doesn't need to fight alone.

Here (and this is why I clearly mentioned the occasion), Lee Chong Wei was playing in just the opening round. Clearly, this was no do-or-die situation ;)

At this level of the game, it's surely strange if one decides to play when ill.
After all, this was just a first round match, not a final or a semi-final or a match that would decide the winner of a team championship.
[...]

This is not good advice, encouraging quitters like CJ (and Djokovic of tennis)
It's easy for someone to pay someone to add extra ingredient to LCW's order.(But then what would LCW eat during WC in Aug? Mac or KFC? Poor thing)But CL outfoxed him.Gave away G1 to con LCW into letting his guard down in G2 and then unleashed his smashes in G3.Same thing with WCH.(CHN must have picked up the idea from LM.LHI did the same thing to LD in KO08, though the ending was more spectacular).
Well CL must have rote-trained 150% to beat LCW,just like any CHN MS.Would be fascinating to see how well he does against IND MS which he probably did not train for.Years from now, does it matter if this loss is on record?
LCW has brought glory to badminton as the first UNICEF goodwill ambassador and is WR1. Surely he can afford to lose to the current WJC? Maybe LYB should fast-track CL.
Usually, China's players quit only when it works to China's advantage ;)

At this level of the game, it's surely strange if one decides to play when ill.
After all, this was just a first round match, not a final or a semi-final or a match that would decide the winner of a team championship.

If Lee Chong Wei were too ill to play, would it not be saner and safer to withdraw from the tournament? He could also have done so at any stage of the match.

In fact, had he withdrawn after the first game, that would have stood in his favour as he had won the opener. (I'm pretty certain that someone will respond to this with allusions to tales of courage, sacrifice and commitment!)

But, to trot out what is definitely an excuse after being felled by someone who is yet a bystander in the Chinese side isn't quite becoming of the World # 1 :o

Years from now, Chong Wei's loss will remain on record.
The excuse, founded or not, will fade from memory.

Boss, when LCW took the SO by beating LD, a few of us (myself, cooler etc) acknowledged that LCW was a better shuttler that day and deserved his win. And we took a barrage of banters from the boleh fans straight up after the SO.

Now, today with LCW being packed away nicely by a chinese junior shuttler, boleh fans are running to you whingeing food poisoning, cultural differences and a host of sad stories ranging a few years back. Cant these boleh people accept that LCW lost to a better shuttler today?? :rolleyes:

At this level of the game, it's surely strange if one decides to play when ill.
After all, this was just a first round match, not a final or a semi-final or a match that would decide the winner of a team championship.

If Lee Chong Wei were too ill to play, would it not be saner and safer to withdraw from the tournament? He could also have done so at any stage of the match.

In fact, had he withdrawn after the first game, that would have stood in his favour as he had won the opener. (I'm pretty certain that someone will respond to this with allusions to tales of courage, sacrifice and commitment!)

But, to trot out what is definitely an excuse after being felled by someone who is yet a bystander in the Chinese side isn't quite becoming of the World # 1 :o

Years from now, Chong Wei's loss will remain on record.
The excuse, founded or not, will fade from memory.

First, LCW has clearly stated, he wanted to have a feel of this venue as one of the preparation for WC, win or lose is not the case, maybe after he feel unwell, he would probably just play as good as he could to test out the court and at the same time to fulfill his obligation as a professional player when taking part in a International Tournament, that's the spirit.

Firstly, the Thomas Cup is a team event - the stakes are higher.
Secondly, CTF is a doubles player - he doesn't need to fight alone.

Here (and this is why I clearly mentioned the occasion), Lee Chong Wei was playing in just the opening round. Clearly, this was no do-or-die situation ;)

And clearly, as stated in my 1st sentence, you did not understand the implication, even if it's Round 1 & GP Gold, and all the kan cheong & criticism it will cause (and has caused in the past).:p
Unless cant get out of bed at all, one must play, if one doesnt, it implicates that the player chickened out & is weak minded - irregardless how small or big the tourney is.
The other points, pjswift & jasonmarc have stated.

There're more examples, but I wouldnt bore you:D

First, LCW has clearly stated, he wanted to have a feel of this venue as one of the preparation for WC, win or lose is not the case, maybe after he feel unwell, he would probably just play as good as he could to test out the court and at the same time to fulfill his obligation as a professional player when taking part in a International Tournament, that's the spirit.

good points... beside, he got to play CL after not playing each other for quite sometime... to know how to counter attack should they meet again in WC :D

in short, no need to bother so much until need to create a thread over this issue...:p no big deal...

And clearly, as stated in my 1st sentence, you did not understand the implication, even if it's Round 1 & GP Gold, and all the kan cheong & criticism it will cause (and has caused in the past).:p
Unless cant get out of bed at all, one must play, if one doesnt, it implicates that the player chickened out & is weak minded - irregardless how small or big the tourney is.
The other points, pjswift & jasonmarc have stated.

There're more examples, but I wouldnt bore you:D

Let them be la kak.... explain 100 times also no use... btw, the penalty for last minute withdrawal still applies, kan?;)

Remember what happened to uncle CTF when he withdrew in TC 2008, when he had fever & flu, how CTF was blasted by Rexy, that Rexy felt CTF should have played anyway. There were hordes of criticism then.
If CTF played while sick & Msia lost, then you all will say "why didnt withdraw"? THey would not have retired halfway if CTF went on to play.



Err, there is a story to that ...... and thus a valid reason for Rexy's criticism. You must understand that Malaysia's chances hinged on taking BOTH doubles and thus CTF should have been ready to be called to duty, given that he is a trump card in makeshift doubles. That's about all I can say.

I dont under some of boleh fans here. What is so wrong with that word; failure???


Failure. A big word.
A failure for Lee Chong Wei. Yes. Credits to Chen Long. Yes.
Anything to add on?

You know it's not over, keep holding on. WC is the real one.

Pemuda..I believe this Hyderabad is a place for surprise.. Maybe in the next 5 month time, you will need to create a thread "From Whitewashing to zero;from zero to HERO!" As LCW won the WC....Promise ok?

May we have your words, Pemuda?

to fulfill his obligation as a professional player when taking part in a International Tournament, that's the spirit.

Yes. i don't see him walked away because of the food poisoning or any other reasons.
I'd like to say one thing, move on Chong Wei. Move on. Play your next game and fight for it.

** THUD!!!** It all came crashing down, Malaysia Boleh style

MS WR1 packed off nicely in the 1st round by a junior chinese shuttler. On the side note, in the near future, I hope our back up to the elite or whatever elite or super elite juniors we have now can do likewise and upset China's top man, LD in the first round and send the man packing.

I hope our MS WR1, SO champion wont be packed off again in Hyderabad in the first round come 5 months time.

Lets not count this India Open as a failure in view of this 1st round bye bye. Dear bolehians, lets all form a circle, hold hands and list down the positives from this India Open trip in view of the WC in Aug. The positives I can think of are as follows:

LCW will know which are the good indian restaurants to go to as compared to LD
LCW will know where to shop for the best bargains
LCW will be able to recommend to KKK/TBH which hair saloon in Hyderabad to go to during the WC.
LCW gets to fly home early to KL just in time to catch Akademi FantasiaAs such, this exit is not that bad really. Whats important is the WC in Aug. Lets hope and slaughter a goat and a rooster so that come Aug in Hyderabad, our LCW will have both luck and strength to pull through.

Malaysia semua boleh punya!!!
woh, woh, woh, just relax and keep all your chant thumping or kompang dead silent 1st,.just keep your so called malaysia boleh bandwagon slow and steady.Save your breath and energy 1st. Just wait for August:p. If Mas win, all celebrate/happy and jumping till sky high, if malaysia lost, some will shoot here and shoot there and tonnes mindless chatter and go merry go round and flip flop back again just like making roti canai like there's no body business.:D Malaysia boleh and congrats to you guys who started this type of thread on every tournament, It's already like a trend here. Applause to U guys.;)
Btw, i could see some hope again.;)

May we have your words, Pemuda?
I can see some people's face turning from sad to happy mode in less than 14days today!:eek:
wow

LCW kalah in 1st round ... NO BIG DEAL ... sometime u menang sometime u kalah ... glad to see young player win this tournmt ..... i still believe LCW BOLEH in WC :p

yup.....agree with you....no matter he win or loss will still 100% support him...

woh, woh, woh, just relax and keep all your chant thumping or kompang dead silent 1st,.just keep your so called malaysia boleh bandwagon slow and steady.Save your breath and energy 1st. Just wait for August:p. If Mas win, all celebrate/happy and jumping till sky high, if malaysia lost, some will shoot here and shoot there and tonnes mindless chatter and go merry go round and flip flop back again just like making roti canai like there's no body business.:D Malaysia boleh and congrats to you guys who started this type of thread on every tournament, It's already like a trend here. Applause to U guys.;)
Btw, i could see some hope again.;)

I dont really understand what you are trying to say. Why dont you keep things simple?

Anyway, enjoy Hijau by Zainal Abidin; http://www.actionext.com/names_z/zainal_abidin_lyrics/hijau.html

Bumi yang tiada rimba
Seumpama hamba
Dia dicemar manusia
Yang jahil ketawa

Bumi yang tiada udara
Bagai tiada nyawa
Pasti hilang suatu hari
Tanpa disedari

Bumi tanpa lautan
Akan kehausan
Pasti lambat laun hilang
Duniaku yang malang

Dewasa ini kita saling merayakan
Kejayaan yang akhirnya membinasakan
Apalah gunanya kematangan fikiran
Bila di jiwa kita masih lagi muda
Dan mentah
Ku lihat hijau .... oooooo come sing with me, George boy lalalalala

Dont be too serious this is just a badminton forum. Life goes on.
Ku lihat hijauuuuu .... :D

I didn't watch the match so my comments may not be accurate.

If he truly was sick, then he shouldn't have played. But maybe he got over-confident after winning the 1st game easily and then panicked when he lost the 2nd and there goes the 3rd game.

Anyway he shouldn't give excuses for losing. Just admit defeat and play better to win next time. Any player who can beat LCW is no small potato. Congrats are in order for the winner. China has a great team of players - now and in the future.

I can see some people's face turning from sad to happy mode in less than 14days today!:eek:
wow
Relax George, We will have our good time, too.

Kita enjoy the forum, and LCW's games, shall we?

pemuda, why not u calm down with your zainal abidin's song?
just calm down and cool down, and try to read carefully and understand my post earlier;)
i had already explain it in a very simple manner:D if u can't understand again, i have no idea.
AND btw, i won't sing the song with you. sorry , not my taste:(

Relax George, We will have our good time, too.

Kita enjoy the forum, and LCW's games, shall we?
yeap, there's happy and sad moments in our lives.
so do badminton players, sometimes win, sometimes lose;)
nobody is perfect in this world:cool:

I didn't watch the match so my comments may not be accurate.

If he truly was sick, then he shouldn't have played. But maybe he got over-confident after winning the 1st game easily and then panicked when he lost the 2nd and there goes the 3rd game.

Anyway he shouldn't give excuses for losing. Just admit defeat and play better to win next time. Any player who can beat LCW is no small potato. Congrats are in order for the winner. China has a great team of players - now and in the future.

BennettWong, LCW didnt gave excuses for his lost today, those were speculated by some of us in this forum.............:p:p.......not from LCW nor his Coaches....

yeap, there's happy and sad moments in our lives.
so do badminton players, sometimes win, sometimes lose;)
nobody is perfect in this world:cool:

No, U wrong...liao....! The God of Badminton wont lost, sometime lost due to his compassion and Generousity...:D:D

http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2009/3/25/sports/20090325195226&sec=sports
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bad-umpiring-food-poisoning-defeated-me-lee.../438892/

BennettWong, LCW didnt gave excuses for his lost today, those were speculated by some of us in this forum.............:p:p.......not from LCW nor his Coaches....
err, look at post#44:(

http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2009/3/25/sports/20090325195226&sec=sports
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bad-umpiring-food-poisoning-defeated-me-lee.../438892/

Oh, and so its not speculated by us here, its from his mouth....sorry for my for my post before this.......:o....:o

Thanks George for the infos.

Oh, and so its not speculated by us here, its from his mouth....sorry for my for my post before this.......:o....:o

Thanks George for the infos.
His only mistake is to point out the 'reason'. Lost is a Lost. I hate this kind of business but that's how it goes.
However, he stays on the game, don't quit halfway.
Isn't there something we should be proud of him out of this game?

His only mistake is to point out the 'reason'. Lost is a Lost. I hate this kind of business but that's how it goes.
However, he stays on the game, don't quit halfway.
Isn't there something we should be proud of him out of this game?

yes, this was the point i try to say, he showed a good example for the youngster on 'How to respect the tournament organizer' for not simply give W/O and be responsible to the fans in the stadium..

His only mistake is to point out the 'reason'. Lost is a Lost. I hate this kind of business but that's how it goes.
However, he stays on the game, don't quit halfway.
Isn't there something we should be proud of him out of this game?

When LCW crashed out early in the last WC in 2007, he blamed YKH for sitting too near and shouting Malaysia Boleh too loud.

Today LCW got beaten, he is blaming food served by some flight attendant not to his stomach liking.

sources from thestar newspaper:

PETALING JAYA: World No. 1 Lee Chong Wei is on another mission in Hyderabad apart from trying to win the Indian Open, which begins today at the Gouch Bouli Indoor Stadium.
He is treating the tournament as an acclimatisation event for the world championships, which will be at the same venue from Aug 10-16.
”This is another reason for competing in the Indian Open. I want to get a better feel of playing in this stadium ahead of the world championships,” said Chong Wei in a telephone interview yesterday.
“It was unfortunate that I had to miss the national sports award ceremony because of this. And I will try to make it up by winning the title here.”
On Monday, Chong Wei was named as the 2008 Sportsman of the Year for his achievements, which included winning the silver medal in the Beijing Olympics in August.
“I had a good workout here. There is draught in this stadium but I will be able to handle it,” he said.

didnt mention anything bout food poisoning n medication... instead, he had a good workout n feeling very well on tuesday... trying to be creative in giving excuses???

Slightly off topic but I think Nadal (Tennis Nr.1) sets the best example.
When he loses, he doesn't give excuses.
And when he wins, he even praises his opponents.

Today LCW got beaten, he is blaming food served by some flight attendant not to his stomach liking.
yep, sometimes the foods in other country not suit out taste/stomach, just like your zainal abidin's song, does not suit me at all:p

Slightly off topic but I think Nadal (Tennis Nr.1) sets the best example.
When he loses, he doesn't give excuses.
And when he wins, he even praises his opponents.
that is one of many differences between tennis and badminton. ;)

...............
didnt mention anything bout food poisoning n medication... instead, he had a good workout n feeling very well on tuesday... trying to be creative in giving excuses???

The Harian Metro link is in LCW vs Taufik thread. The Star article is from TODAY's newspaper, means yesterday's news. Today's news will be in tommorrow's newspaper.

Food poisoning does happen in a matter of hours, usually 2 hours after food is consumed. Maybe you're fortunate not to have experienced food poisoning bf. ;)
In any case, no matter what, people will say it's excuse. AND if dont give reason, cannot, means dont reflect on lost.:p

When LCW crashed out early in the last WC in 2007, he blamed YKH for sitting too near and shouting Malaysia Boleh too loud.

Today LCW got beaten, he is blaming food served by some flight attendant not to his stomach liking.

Did anyone watched the game?Win the final in Swiss Open and lost in the 1st round of India open within this 14 days is kind of weird and nightmare.But,who actually knows what is happening?Did LCW do a media conference after his lost and try to give some reason?

But,anyway the fact is LCW lost to Chen Long today and LCW won LD last 2 weeks,means what???Means Chen Long is better than LD and can beat LD as well because he just won over LCW which won over LD in 2weeks time,wakakakaka

The Harian Metro link is in LCW vs Taufik thread. The Star article is from TODAY's newspaper, means yesterday's news. Today's news will be in tommorrow's newspaper.

Food poisoning does happen in a matter of hours, usually 2 hours after food is consumed. Maybe you're fortunate not to have experienced food poisoning bf. ;)
In any case, no matter what, people will say it's excuse. AND if dont give reason, cannot, means dont reflect on lost.:p
but he is blaming the food serve by flight attendant isnt it??? dont tell me he reach india 2hours before the match??? he was healthy yesterday...

I wondered why some thread being deleted???SIgh,unsporting at all

Did LCW do a media conference after his lost and try to give some reason?


Silent is more than enough, isn't that so, Chong Wei? Learn la, honey.



But,anyway the fact is LCW lost to Chen Long today and LCW won LD last 2 weeks,means what???Means Chen Long is better than LD and can beat LD as well because he just won over LCW which won over LD in 2weeks time,wakakakaka

:D

I wondered why some thread being deleted???SIgh,unsporting at all
Offensive, maybe.

Aiyaaaa ... what is all this food poisoning stuff? Rather than rely on some pasar malam street medicine peddler, do we have a doctor in the house who can confirm that food poisoning will hit in a matter of hours like 2 hours after food?? Why food only??? Can we also get food poisoning from drinking water as well?

2 hours before food?? LCW claimed he had eaten something wrong during his flight from Switzerland. Hmmm ... if 2 hours theory, the lad must have landed and went straight to the stadium.

And what is all the fuss about the papers like Metro, Star etc etc. A loss is a loss la.

he could have admit that he lost to a better player today and not come up with excuses... i rather him saying that his shots are not working effectively, but no, he chose to come up with creative but not reasonable excuses...

but he is blaming the food serve by flight attendant isnt it??? dont tell me he reach india 2hours before the match??? he was healthy yesterday...

Bingo! You hit it right on the dot.
I bet she will be scrambling for her newspapers and all. :D

Aiyaaaa ... what is all this food poisoning stuff? Rather than rely on some pasar malam street medicine peddler, do we have a doctor in the house who can confirm that food poisoning will hit in a matter of hours like 2 hours after food?? Why food only??? Can we also get food poisoning from drinking water as well?
And what is all the fuss about the papers like Metro, Star etc etc. A loss is a loss la.
yep, a loss is a loss but we here in malaysia still dunno did chong wei actually told all that to the media? did we heard from his own mouth saying that or did we actually see the interview? ya know, media report can be anything;)

I wondered why some thread being deleted???SIgh,unsporting at all
yep, i see some of the video link of pemuda and me posted had been deleted:D:rolleyes:
but normally the moderator will give some 'comment' here after or before delete that post.
this time no..seems weird:(

but he is blaming the food serve by flight attendant isnt it??? dont tell me he reach india 2hours before the match??? he was healthy yesterday...

aiseh, who said he healthy? he just said he had good workout... it can mean just about anything (perut grumbling but still can do some practice yada yada yada) ... you know, like simon pening2 lalat still play few rounds in KO until cannot play... you ever got food poisoning meh? I demam2 also can go exercise wat... :D:p:p in short, no need make such a fuss over it ;)

Offensive, maybe.

Sorry to whoever get offended and deleted such tread,but anyway i still felt that everyone is free to talk about anything and well sometimes we have to bow down to so called "power".....Disappointed but force to accept:eek:

Did anyone watched the game?Win the final in Swiss Open and lost in the 1st round of India open within this 14 days is kind of weird and nightmare.But,who actually knows what is happening?Did LCW do a media conference after his lost and try to give some reason?

But,anyway the fact is LCW lost to Chen Long today and LCW won LD last 2 weeks,means what???Means Chen Long is better than LD and can beat LD as well because he just won over LCW which won over LD in 2weeks time,wakakakaka

Wow!!! I mean WOW!!! This is a very intelligent posting. And 'wakakakaka' to you, dude.

let us concentrate on the discussion as per title. not off topic towards members. ;)

Aiyaaaa ... what is all this food poisoning stuff? Rather than rely on some pasar malam street medicine peddler, do we have a doctor in the house who can confirm that food poisoning will hit in a matter of hours like 2 hours after food?? Why food only??? Can we also get food poisoning from drinking water as well?

2 hours before food?? LCW claimed he had eaten something wrong during his flight from Switzerland. Hmmm ... if 2 hours theory, the lad must have landed and went straight to the stadium.

And what is all the fuss about the papers like Metro, Star etc etc. A loss is a loss la.

he could have admit that he lost to a better player today and not come up with excuses... i rather him saying that his shots are not working effectively, but no, he chose to come up with creative but not reasonable excuses...


If he's saying the truth, why would we want it to be the other way around?
Other excuses could be the shots, court, audience, etc. It's not about choosing, unfortunately.

Wait..wait..I don't like his credibility to be questioned. Now, don't judge if we don't even watching. And don't judge if we are not even in India to see him in bed or not, shall we?

yep, a loss is a loss but we here in malaysia still dunno did chong wei actually told all that to the media? did we heard from his own mouth saying that or did we actually see the interview? ya know, media report can be anything;)

Hey, a loss is a loss la, no but this or but that. Chen Long was a better shuttler today, is that soooo difficult for you boleh fans to acknowledged??

but he is blaming the food serve by flight attendant isnt it??? dont tell me he reach india 2hours before the match??? he was healthy yesterday...
We shall know the details in tommorrow's newspapers - from a few sources.
The interview was telephone interview, they dont 'announce' that they're sick or injured before a match. This was also critised before - then ppl will say why let opponent catch wind of it.

In any case............. as i said, it will be seen as excuse, since LCW had played bf with plastered injured knee & it was still branded as excuse when he lost.
Whether LCW 1/4 sick/injured, half sick , 3/4 quarter sick , suddenly sick, not suddenly sick, ALSO will have complaints, no end one.
Normal lah - Inform before match cannot, after match also cannot :p:p:p.

You may wish to think of it as excuse or whatever, doesnt matter, whatever reason also will be seen excuse. And dont give reason also cannot (all these happened bf);)

aiseh, who said he healthy? he just said he had good workout... it can mean just about anything (perut grumbling but still can do some practice yada yada yada) ... you know, like simon pening2 lalat still play few rounds in KO until cannot play... you ever got food poisoning meh? I demam2 also can go exercise wat... :D:p:p in short, no need make such a fuss over it ;)
well, maybe he can learn to give those excuses a day before da match starts... that way, people will thinks thats he is really sick when he lose or when he wins, he will make people thinks that he is really a great player, sick also can win!!! then he will have more people to support him-'blindly'...

Hey, a loss is a loss la, no but this or but that. Chen Long was a better shuttler today, is that soooo difficult for you boleh fans to acknowledged??
did u actually have some proof that chong wei HIMSELF actually spoke that towards the media? any proof?;)

hey...5 pages - one day ( sorry, 7 hours )
Did we break a record or not?

Hey, a loss is a loss la, no but this or but that. Chen Long was a better shuttler today, is that soooo difficult for you boleh fans to acknowledged??

Well,as i mentioned just now,has anyone watched that game yet?or maybe you had watched that is why you have so much to comment on this particular game. Just don't force anyone or beg for any acknowledgement because acknowledgement will comes in othe good way....cheers:D

If he's saying the truth, why would we want it to be the other way around?
Other excuses could be the shots, court, audience, etc. It's not about choosing, unfortunately.

Wait..wait..I don't like his credibility to be questioned. Now, don't judge if we don't even watching. And don't judge if we are not even in India to see him in bed or not, shall we?

Are Eddy Choong, Tan Aik Huang, Liem Swie King, Rudy Hartono badminton legends?? Are you going to say they are not since you have never seen them in action??? :o

Boleh fans must stop doing this;

When LCW wins ...
Boleh fans : Hurray!!! Yes! Yes! Malaysia Boleh! LCW champion! LCW the best!

When LCW loses ....
Boleh fans : Unfair and biased judging! LYB fixed matches! Pressure from fans! High expectations from NSC, Sports Minister, BAM, LCW's pet dog etc! ..... and now food poisoning!

well, maybe he can learn to give those excuses a day before da match starts... that way, people will thinks thats he is really sick when he lose or when he wins, he will make people thinks that he is really a great player, sick also can win!!! then he will have more people to support him-'blindly'...

Errr, I already replied you on that point, cannot say before that, wait people complain :D..... LCW no need proof that, he injured also can win (2007 France).

Anyway, like some ALREADY said, no need to fuss over it until must open new thread. Then pulak got people complain why we fuss when they started the fuss in the 1st place.

Thanks for the praise,if you are agreed with my intelligent post,means you are either smart or Childish by supporting my statement. Ha,amazing stuff:D

I rest my case. ;)

Errr, I already replied you on that point, cannot say before that, wait people complain :D..... LCW no need proof that, he injured also can win (2007 France).

Anyway, like some ALREADY said, no need to fuss over it until must open new thread. Then pulak got people complain why we fuss when they started the fuss in the 1st place.
hehe:psorry, didnt see that post until i posted my reply...:p

why keep debating????arguing???just wait until any bcer to upload the video between lcw vs cl....then we will know the TRUTH...this thread is going nowhere as no one actually saw the match and no everyone believe what press reporter report....;)...

lcw lost lost lar....so what?...the end of the world????:rolleyes:....oh ya...forget....WASTE TAXPAYER MONEY....why send lcw to india????and lost to a 20 years old player???:rolleyes:...this bam...so stupid....and also...why send cwf and liew daren there?lost to malaysian...WASTE TAXPAYER MONEY lar...should have keep them in malaysia...use those money to help those that needed better....:mad::rolleyes:

Cool, cool, we are on the way.

Pemuda, you are the man. i think it's a record.

well, maybe he can learn to give those excuses a day before da match starts... that way, people will thinks thats he is really sick when he lose or when he wins, he will make people thinks that he is really a great player, sick also can win!!! then he will have more people to support him-'blindly'...

well, maybe he just need to keep silent:eek: like when he lost to LD in AE, but do we hear critics think he's great? you see, the pattern here, LCW sick or no sick, excuse or no excuse, win or lose >>> still kena hentam

or maybe in future, we need to inform the journalists to call him minutes before the match start to see how's he doing, ask whether he thinks he can win or not, or have he taken his vitamin ... btw Maximum, "that way" have never stop the critics thinks as what you claim... in case you haven't noticed :D:p they will say, alah sick2 play and win but just India cup... cap ayam punya tourney... :D:D

Sorry, but I do use my eyes when I chose to support him (as I believe others as well), and it's definitely not 'blindly' ... :cool:

:o

Boleh fans must stop doing this;

When LCW wins ...
Boleh fans : Hurray!!! Yes! Yes! Malaysia Boleh! LCW champion! LCW the best!

When LCW loses ....
Boleh fans : Unfair and biased judging! LYB fixed matches! Pressure from fans! High expectations from NSC, Sports Minister, BAM, LCW's pet dog etc! ..... and now food poisoning!
but i can see the other way round of you and others too in this case;)

when lcw wins....
yeah, he played a better game. he was a better shuttler that day. he still lacks the major title.

When Lcw loses...
malaysia boleh bandwagon, whitewashing thread in 14 days, try again next time, just a small tiny title, lin dan was not interested in that title, not fit. bla bla bla:D

please read nicely what i've stated in the post that u quote.
i'm not saying abut the 21 point system bla bla bla, did chong wei HIMSELF actually spoke towards the media? i repeat it again. If you have problem reading, then u do have a very very serious problem over there though. or i suggest u to go to the optic shop.

My dear boy, what LCW said after the loss is of no consequence because the match was done and dusted. Chen Long won, period.

well, maybe he just need to keep silent:eek: like when he lost to LD in AE, but do we hear critics think he's great? you see, the pattern here, LCW sick or no sick, excuse or no excuse, win or lose >>> still kena hentam


yep, that;s the pattern. somebody here just thinks that MAS players must win every matches and tournaments..like they are a machine or superhero:D

why keep debating????arguing???just wait until any bcer to upload the video between lcw vs cl....then we will know the TRUTH...this thread is going nowhere as no one actually saw the match and no everyone believe what press reporter report....;)...

lcw lost lost lar....so what?...the end of the world????:rolleyes:....oh ya...forget....WASTE TAXPAYER MONEY....why send lcw to india????and lost to a 20 years old player???:rolleyes:...this bam...so stupid....and also...why send cwf and liew daren there?lost to malaysian...WASTE TAXPAYER MONEY lar...should have keep them in malaysia...use those money to help those that needed better....:mad::rolleyes:

I think is so called the exposure for the youngster as our youngster is lacking that kind of experience in order to match with some of the other country young talent maybe...........

but i can see the other way round of you and others too in this case;)

when lcw wins....
yeah, he played a better game. he was a better shuttler that day. he still lacks the major title.

When Lcw loses...
malaysia boleh bandwagon, whitewashing thread in 14 days, try again next time, just a small tiny title, lin dan was not interested in that title, not fit. bla bla bla:D

NICELY DONE, this is so call acknowledgement by '"someone" out there....cheers

but i can see the other way round of you and others too in this case;)

when lcw wins....
yeah, he played a better game. he was a better shuttler that day. he still lacks the major title.

When Lcw loses...
malaysia boleh bandwagon, whitewashing thread in 14 days, try again next time, just a small tiny title, lin dan was not interested in that title, not fit. bla bla bla:D

When LCW beat LD in the SO, he was the better shuttler that day. Isnt that not true?

LCW still have yet to win a major title, isnt that a fact??

Hey, a loss is a loss la, no but this or but that. Chen Long was a better shuttler today, is that soooo difficult for you boleh fans to acknowledged??

My dear boy, what LCW said after the loss is of no consequence because the match was done and dusted. Chen Long won, period.
that's the above post posted by you earlier, just because CL won the match today, that does not mean that he's the better shuttler.
example if Brazil vs France the score ended france won 1-0 based on the offside goal,and brazil played all those wonderful passing and samba skills, does that mean that France is the better team that day?
imo, we cannot judge whether the player is better or not just based on the scores, unless u got the chance to see the match:cool:

When LCW beat LD in the SO, he was the better shuttler that day. Isnt that not true?

LCW still have yet to win a major title, isnt that a fact??
we can brand him the better shuttler that day because we all actually did have a chance to watch the whole match, and that's the fact and the PROOF that he actually are a better shuttler that day;)

When LCW beat LD in the SO, he was the better shuttler that day. Isnt that not true?

LCW still have yet to win a major title, isnt that a fact??

True very true LCW is better...........:D

Oh ya, on that day he beat Lin Dan and of course more to come........Cheers

When Lcw loses...
malaysia boleh bandwagon, whitewashing thread in 14 days, try again next time, just a small tiny title, lin dan was not interested in that title, not fit. bla bla bla:D

george, I believe you got yourself confused.:o
But no worries, to Cesc it was 'nicely done'

george, I believe you got yourself confused.:o
But no worries, to Cesc it was 'nicely done'
relax, i was just listing those excuses and those reaction posted by you and others too in this case;)

i wonder why every time no matter chong wei lost or win, sure got thread about him.
CHONG WEI lost, lost la. why so excited and kan chiong want open a new thread?? what's so great?
maybe the thread starter is a 'fan of lee chong wei' :rolleyes:

even george(bc number lcw fans)also no gan jiong...no upset...no fuss abt lcw lost....what so special when lcw lost eh????:rolleyes:...anyone have idea???

NICELY DONE,cheers to you......LCW still boleh right?:D

I think is so called the exposure for the youngster as our youngster is lacking that kind of experience in order to match with some of the other country young talent maybe...........

Misundestand of your post a bit.Now fully understand.....kakaka
NICELY DONE,cheers to you......LCW still boleh right?

Some are happy when LCW wins, some are happy when he loses. If one side lets the other side be happy and vice versa, then we can all live peacefully.

the fact is LCW won against a better player that was out of form and lost to another better player that was in form.
as simple as that.

This is not good advice, encouraging quitters like CJ (and Djokovic of tennis)
It's easy for someone to pay someone to add extra ingredient to LCW's order.(But then what would LCW eat during WC in Aug? Mac or KFC? Poor thing)But CL outfoxed him.Gave away G1 to con LCW into letting his guard down in G2 and then unleashed his smashes in G3.Same thing with WCH.(CHN must have picked up the idea from LM.LHI did the same thing to LD in KO08, though the ending was more spectacular).
Well CL must have rote-trained 150% to beat LCW,just like any CHN MS.Would be fascinating to see how well he does against IND MS which he probably did not train for.Years from now, does it matter if this loss is on record?
LCW has brought glory to badminton as the first UNICEF goodwill ambassador and is WR1. Surely he can afford to lose to the current WJC? Maybe LYB should fast-track CL.
Geez, the WR #1 got conned by a rookie AND unable to up the pace and come back in the remaining 2 sets? What kind of a WR #1 pro is that? Your con excuse is as bad as the food poisoning excuse. Even tho both excuse sounded silly, at least try to be sensible and stick with one excuse huh? If LCW is that easily conned, then what people have said about his weak mental strength... has not improved at all.

the fact is LCW won against a better player that was out of form and lost to another better player that was in form.
as simple as that.
see pemuda, this is 1 example here:cool:;)

Did anyone watched the game?Win the final in Swiss Open and lost in the 1st round of India open within this 14 days is kind of weird and nightmare.But,who actually knows what is happening?Did LCW do a media conference after his lost and try to give some reason?

But,anyway the fact is LCW lost to Chen Long today and LCW won LD last 2 weeks,means what???Means Chen Long is better than LD and can beat LD as well because he just won over LCW which won over LD in 2weeks time,wakakakaka
i think boleh fans shouldn't wreck their brain in figuring out whether LD could beat CL or vice versa. This job is for the jia you fans:p You guys should be just thinking about lcw winning or not

Some are happy when LCW wins, some are happy when he loses. If one side lets the other side be happy and vice versa, then we can all live peacefully.
seems to agree with this;)

i think boleh fans shouldn't wreck their brain in figuring out whether LD could beat CL or vice versa. This job is for the jia you fans:p
Jia You fans?( Add Oil Fans)??:D
you sure is for the jia you fans? not Master Li?:D:rolleyes:;)

We shall know the details in tommorrow's newspapers - from a few sources.
The interview was telephone interview, they dont 'announce' that they're sick or injured before a match. This was also critised before - then ppl will say why let opponent catch wind of it.

In any case............. as i said, it will be seen as excuse, since LCW had played bf with plastered injured knee & it was still branded as excuse when he lost.
Whether LCW 1/4 sick/injured, half sick , 3/4 quarter sick , suddenly sick, not suddenly sick, ALSO will have complaints, no end one.
Normal lah - Inform before match cannot, after match also cannot :p:p:p.

You may wish to think of it as excuse or whatever, doesnt matter, whatever reason also will be seen excuse. And dont give reason also cannot (all these happened bf);)

Agreed......it reminds me of "Muthu" hahaha.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMSG8iJLedE&feature=related

Jia You fans?( Add Oil Fans)??:D
you sure is for the jia you fans? not Master Li?:D:rolleyes:;)
Naw, master LYB had delegated that job to the jia you fans. He now has bigger fish to jia (fry), and LCW isn't a big fish to him anymore:D:p:cool:

Now this is a rather unpleasant surprise! :(

It goes to show how many talented juniors China really has and it wont be any easier for LCW and other non-CHN aspirants.

Surely a headline news for unseeded junior Chen Long to beat the WR1! :eek:
Who knows... maybe Chen Long really is that good now :D?
Yes headline news, but it has been noted by others in the forum that CL is the upcoming talent in CHN squad. Also note LCW nearly lost to Lu Yi in AE 1st Round - He was fortunate that LY got excited and made a series of crucial errors.
This is not good advice, encouraging quitters like CJ (and Djokovic of tennis)

Like Oldhand says CJ is only a quitter when it suits him. He seems to suffer from a chronic back inury. He is a fighter and gives his all every rally, he is not so skilled as his teamates but he is not a quitter
Boss, when LCW took the SO by beating LD, a few of us (myself, cooler etc) acknowledged that LCW was a better shuttler that day and deserved his win. And we took a barrage of banters from the boleh fans straight up after the SO.
:
Anyone who beats someone is better than them on the day. There may be reasons - and then supporters & managers fans can alter the reason for loss into excuse.
I dont really understand what you are trying to say. Why dont you keep things simple?

Anyway, enjoy Hijau by Zainal Abidin; http://www.actionext.com/names_z/zainal_abidin_lyrics/hijau.html

Bumi yang tiada rimba
Seumpama hamba
Dia dicemar manusia
Yang jahil ketawa

Bumi yang tiada udara
Bagai tiada nyawa
Pasti hilang suatu hari
Tanpa disedari

Bumi tanpa lautan
Akan kehausan
Pasti lambat laun hilang
Duniaku yang malang

Dewasa ini kita saling merayakan
Kejayaan yang akhirnya membinasakan
Apalah gunanya kematangan fikiran
Bila di jiwa kita masih lagi muda
Dan mentah
Ku lihat hijau .... oooooo come sing with me, George boy lalalalala

Dont be too serious this is just a badminton forum. Life goes on.
Ku lihat hijauuuuu .... :D


Translation please or it will be deleted............

My opinion is basically LCW is a slow starter in tournaments. He obvisously underestimated CL. All players, and even more so CHN youngsters want to put the mark out to their bosses by performing well & potentially upsetting the top players. I am still confused as to why he is entering this tournament anyway....playing many tournaments smacks of lack of confidence to me:(?

Pretty surprising most ppl don't give CL credit for winning, LCW won SO by beating LD and I remember there's this big thread about him coming around and will have no trouble with LD anymore etc... He was the better player and won against LD and full credit to him, CL in this case was a better player and won against LCW, plain and simple. Gotto remember China has a huge talent pool of young players and if they're all allowed to compete I'm sure the top 10 will have alot of them in there.

I am suprise why LCW enter this tournament? A gold tournament? He did not need the money prize and surely did not need the point rankings.

Maybe too tired. He need to better his scheduling. But we had to give props for Chen Long.

Pretty surprising most ppl don't give CL credit for winning, LCW won SO by beating LD and I remember there's this big thread about him coming around and will have no trouble with LD anymore etc... He was the better player and won against LD and full credit to him, CL in this case was a better player and won against LCW, plain and simple. Gotto remember China has a huge talent pool of young players and if they're all allowed to compete I'm sure the top 10 will have alot of them in there.

I agree with Jason here. Chinese juniors can play with the kind of LD, BCL, CJ etc to improve their skills quickly. The more you play with top players , the more you learn quickly. Of course that player also had to had talent too.

Yes headline news, but it has been noted by others in the forum that CL is the upcoming talent in CHN squad. Also note LCW nearly lost to Lu Yi in AE 1st Round - He was fortunate that LY got excited and made a series of crucial errors.

Like Oldhand says CJ is only a quitter when it suits him. He seems to suffer from a chronic back inury. He is a fighter and gives his all every rally, he is not so skilled as his teamates but he is not a quitter

Anyone who beats someone is better than them on the day. There may be reasons - and then supporters & managers fans can alter the reason for loss into excuse.


Translation please or it will be deleted............

My opinion is basically LCW is a slow starter in tournaments. He obvisously underestimated CL. All players, and even more so CHN youngsters want to put the mark out to their bosses by performing well & potentially upsetting the top players. I am still confused as to why he is entering this tournament anyway....playing many tournaments smacks of lack of confidence to me:(?

I agreed. He shouldn't play back to back to back tournaments in 3 weeks. Perhaps India open needs some big guns for promotion purposes. In Tennis world, sometimes big guns will participate in small tournament for promotion and they lost in the early rounds eventually. They have been paid to appear :D. I don't think LCW wanted to lose in purpose but most likely underestimated his opponent especially when he took the 1st set 21-7. Anyway, not to find excuses for LCW lost. Congrats to CL!

hey...5 pages - one day ( sorry, 7 hours )
Did we break a record or not?
Cool, cool, we are on the way.

Pemuda, you are the man. i think it's a record.
..as of now, it's probably a BC record. But who knows, if something similar happens again to LCW in the upcoming WC, goodness, who knows how many pages will the thread be?!?!..:p

Btw, we haven't read a post from da man himself, X Ball...;)

Btw, abt LCW's decision to participate, i thought i read somewhere that one of the reasons for LCW's & TH's attendance, in this India Open, has to do with their contractual agreement with Yonex (to attend a specific amt of tourneys)??..:confused:

As Hau-Ge mentioned in the previous thread, since Taufik Hidayat and Lee Chong Wei are sponsored by Yonex, they are bound by contractual duties to attend a specific number of tourneys per year that are also sponsored by Yonex (no matter how unwilling they are).

Sindh Today

World No. 1 Lee knocked out of Indian Open

Hyderabad, March 25 (IANS)

The Yonex Sunrise Indian Open badminton championship got off to a sensational start with World No. 1 Malaysian Chong Wei Lee being knocked out by unseeded Chinese player Chen Long in the first round here Wednesday.

World Champion Chong Wei lost 21-7, 16-21, 18-21 to Chen Long at the Gachibowli Stadium here.

Second seed Indian Saina Nehwal was in dominating form as she dispatched Malaysian Chew Yen Daphne NG 21-6, 21-10 in the first round in women’s singles.

Out of 33 Indian players in the men’s singles, only Anand Pawar, Anup Sridhar and Arvind Bhat sailed into the third round. The biggest casualty was last year’s runner-up and third seed Chetan Anand who lost to Wenlong Zhou of China 9-21, 24-22, 8-21. Anand struggled to win the first round against Chong Chieh Lok of Malaysia 14-21, 21-9, 22-20.

Ninth seed Bhat beat Singapore’s Yong Zhao Ashton Chen 21-10, 21-12.

Sixth seed Pawar got past Chinese Kai Wen 21-15, 19-21, 21-16 while Sridhar thrashed India’s Anshuman Hazarika 21-8, 21-8 in the second round.

Top seed in women’s draw Pi Hongyan of France moved to the second round after beating India’s Trupti Murgunde 21-18, 21-18.

Top seed Lee’s fall came too early in the tournament.

Lee said he was hit by food-poisoning.

“I was suffering from food poisoning and it made me weak. I played well in the first game but could not chase as I felt weak. He (Chen) played well today,” Lee said.

Lee played long rallies and quick smashes to win the first set easily but faltered in the next two, giving away quick points to his fitter opponent.

It was smooth sailing for second seed Indonesian Taufik Hidayat, who beat K. Nandagopal 21-8, 21-13 in 17 minutes.

[quote=hcpoirot;1129662]I am suprise why LCW enter this tournament? A gold tournament? He did not need the money prize and surely did not need the point rankings.

Picked it up in a report that LCW basically wants a 'feel' of the stadium ahead of WC09, which is to say he's darn serious about this title. Barring his unexpected loss, this IO 09 title was supposed to be as good as his, which in a way will help him maintain his WR#1 should he choose to skip some SS tournaments.

Sindh Today

World No. 1 Lee knocked out of Indian Open

Hyderabad, March 25 (IANS)

The Yonex Sunrise Indian Open badminton championship got off to a sensational start with World No. 1 Malaysian Chong Wei Lee being knocked out by unseeded Chinese player Chen Long in the first round here Wednesday.

World Champion Chong Wei lost 21-7, 16-21, 18-21 to Chen Long at the Gachibowli Stadium here.

Second seed Indian Saina Nehwal was in dominating form as she dispatched Malaysian Chew Yen Daphne NG 21-6, 21-10 in the first round in women’s singles.

Out of 33 Indian players in the men’s singles, only Anand Pawar, Anup Sridhar and Arvind Bhat sailed into the third round. The biggest casualty was last year’s runner-up and third seed Chetan Anand who lost to Wenlong Zhou of China 9-21, 24-22, 8-21. Anand struggled to win the first round against Chong Chieh Lok of Malaysia 14-21, 21-9, 22-20.

Ninth seed Bhat beat Singapore’s Yong Zhao Ashton Chen 21-10, 21-12.

Sixth seed Pawar got past Chinese Kai Wen 21-15, 19-21, 21-16 while Sridhar thrashed India’s Anshuman Hazarika 21-8, 21-8 in the second round.

Top seed in women’s draw Pi Hongyan of France moved to the second round after beating India’s Trupti Murgunde 21-18, 21-18.

Top seed Lee’s fall came too early in the tournament.

Lee said he was hit by food-poisoning.

“I was suffering from food poisoning and it made me weak. I played well in the first game but could not chase as I felt weak. He (Chen) played well today,” Lee said.

Lee played long rallies and quick smashes to win the first set easily but faltered in the next two, giving away quick points to his fitter opponent.

It was smooth sailing for second seed Indonesian Taufik Hidayat, who beat K. Nandagopal 21-8, 21-13 in 17 minutes.

Hi Loh:....'world champion?'...errr...not too fast!:p:D

Yes headline news, but it has been noted by others in the forum that CL is the upcoming talent in CHN squad. Also note LCW nearly lost to Lu Yi in AE 1st Round - He was fortunate that LY got excited and made a series of crucial errors.

Like Oldhand says CJ is only a quitter when it suits him. He seems to suffer from a chronic back inury. He is a fighter and gives his all every rally, he is not so skilled as his teamates but he is not a quitter

Anyone who beats someone is better than them on the day. There may be reasons - and then supporters & managers fans can alter the reason for loss into excuse.


Translation please or it will be deleted............

My opinion is basically LCW is a slow starter in tournaments. He obvisously underestimated CL. All players, and even more so CHN youngsters want to put the mark out to their bosses by performing well & potentially upsetting the top players. I am still confused as to why he is entering this tournament anyway....playing many tournaments smacks of lack of confidence to me:(?


India Open is sponsored by Yonex Sunrise and Yonex Sunrise ( Singapore) has the exclusive markets in Asia except Korea,China and Taiwan which Yonex Japan controls directly...since LCW and TH get the most money from Yonex Sunrise..they are bound to play this tournaments and also for TV 's rights as well..

As a matter of fact, LCW should have joined Gade,Sony to play exhibition in Vanouver next week..Sony and LCW pulled out last minute and replced by TH and Andre Kurniawan..

Hi Loh:....'world champion?'...errr...not too fast!:p:D

Wow, you're not only tough but SHARP as well! :eek:

Lee got food poisoning that affected his play and Pemuda goes 'yapping' like LCW had lost to LD again.:D


Have your fun, it is ok.

It will be interesting to see whether Chen Long fares well in this tournament.

Lee got food poisoning that affected his play and Pemuda goes 'yapping' like LCW had lost to LD again.:D


Have your fun, it is ok.

It will be interesting to see whether Chen Long fares well in this tournament.

More importantly whether LCW could recover from what I would term as his "weak mental syndrome" to meet and defeat LD again. :rolleyes:

It will be interesting to see whether Chen Long fares well in this tournament.

Yes. Shall wait to see that.

More importantly whether LCW could recover from what I would term as his "weak mental syndrome" to meet and defeat LD again. :rolleyes:


Surely, you would know through your life experience that the mind gets tougher as we grow older. Nobody stays weak all the time.

LCW might have been weak mentally because he was not physically prepared and his fear stamps from his inability to counter his opponents.

But as he gets better physically, his fear disappears because he finds that he can counter them, be it LD or Taufik.

Expect more of LCW beating LD in the future just as he has done over Taufik.

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... LCW might have been weak mentally because he was not physically prepared and his fear stamps from his inability to counter his opponents.

But as he gets better physically, his fear disappears because he finds that he can counter them, be it LD or Taufik.
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Now that is what I fear will continue to haunt him.

During a mini 'crisis' situation as depicted in his last encounter with CL when he felt physically weak and started to let his negative thoughts overwhelm him, he even returned CL's serve outside of court when he wasn't prepared to do so in the first place. He wasn't thinking rationally and simply gave away a 'free' point because he was 'buried' with negative thoughts!

Anything can happen in a match, including fatigue, and if LCW allows fatigue or the like to dictate his play, he is not prepared to become the next World Champ! :mad:

Not the first time I have mentioned this fact though, I guess Lee Chong Wei will have to win the All-England, World Championships, and the Olympics Gold Medal by 2012 before he (or his fans) can convince the critics for good ;)

Let's face it, it's tough being Lee Chong Wei. As an INA fan, I really do symphatize his plight. No matter what this guy do, winning or losing, it doesn't matter anymore if he has no major titles to show for because the critics (oh we do have plenty here) just simply won't be convinced. He will forever be haunted by his lack of mental toughness etc etc.

Yes, it does no matter how many more Super Series titles he's going to win in the future. Not even how many more times he beat Lin Dan. If he does beat Lin Dan occassionally , his critics will say that Lin Dan has won all the major titles and nearly all of the SS titles, so, one or two victories for Lee Chong Wei per year do not really matter :)

It will be worse if Lee Chong Wei did lose. Almost instantenously, he will get condemned, just like yesterday's loss ;)

BadMania, thanks for the post.
be known that Malaysians appreciated him. No doubt. We are.

BadMania, thanks for the post.
be known that Malaysians appreciated him. No doubt. We are.

Well, only the Boleh fans appreciate him for his effort though :o

I suggest Lee Chong Wei to attend just the following tourneys only till Olympics 2012 to minimize the number of threads opened for him just because he win/lose in a particular tourney:

Team Events:
1. Sudirman Cup 2009 and 2011 (have to attend, representing MAS).
2. Thomas Cup 2010 and 2012 (ditto)
3. Asian Games 2010 (ditto)

Individual Events:
1. Asian Games 2010
2. World Championships 2009-2011
3. All England 2010-2012
4. Malaysia Super Series 2010-2012 (home event)
5. Malaysia GP Golds 2010-2012 (ditto)
6. All other events as stipulated in his contract with Yonex: possibly Hong Kong, Korea, and Japan SS + two from India, Chinese-Taipei, or Macau GP Golds.

That should give him at least 10 tourneys a year.

Who cares about all the other SS events as Lee Chong Wei himself already won: Malaysia, Swiss, Singapore, Indonesia, Denmark (5* before it was changed to SS) and French SS. Winning those events again do not add anything to his cv. He can afford to skip them to avoid being embarrassed should he lose in early rounds :rolleyes:

More importantly whether LCW could recover from what I would term as his "weak mental syndrome" to meet and defeat LD again. :rolleyes:
I don't think we operate on the same wavelength on the meaning of 'weak mental syndrome'.'Weak mental syndrome' is like what you see in LD.After a loss, he crawls back to his den and takes quite a while to nurse and recover from his wounds.And when a match don't go his way as expected, he often collapses pretty fast.

If LCW doesnt attend that many tournaments and leech off every single point he can... how will be ever stay world #1? ^^ It seems that the Chinese team has completely given up on the world ranking system =P

I suggest Lee Chong Wei to attend just the following tourneys only till Olympics 2012 to minimize the number of threads opened for him just because he win/lose in a particular tourney:

Team Events:
1. Sudirman Cup 2009 and 2011 (have to attend, representing MAS).
2. Thomas Cup 2010 and 2012 (ditto)
3. Asian Games 2010 (ditto)

Individual Events:
1. Asian Games 2010
2. World Championships 2009-2011
3. All England 2010-2012
4. Malaysia Super Series 2010-2012 (home event)
5. Malaysia GP Golds 2010-2012 (ditto)
6. All other events as stipulated in his contract with Yonex: possibly Hong Kong, Korea, and Japan SS + two from India, Chinese-Taipei, or Macau GP Golds.

That should give him at least 10 tourneys a year.

Who cares about all the other SS events as Lee Chong Wei himself already won: Malaysia, Swiss, Singapore, Indonesia, Denmark (5* before it was changed to SS) and French SS. Winning those events again do not add anything to his cv. He can afford to skip them to avoid being embarrassed should he lose in early rounds :rolleyes:

A press interview with Li Mao... Someone please translate... Tq

一哥心理波動
問題出在技術


技術水平決定心理！
李矛先前的愛徒馬來西亞選手李宗偉，在他執教期間達到頂尖水準，但自從李矛赴韓執教后，李宗偉的心理狀態始 終無法調整到最佳。
凡在馬來西亞國內的比賽李宗偉總是經常奪冠，參加6屆馬來西亞公開賽更5次奪冠，但在國外，如奧運和韓國公 開賽，在決賽就經常出現因心理波動而連續失分的現象。所以做為教練一定要幫助球員建立信心，場上和場外做好 球員堅強后盾。
談及這些，李矛侃侃而談：“是這樣的，李宗偉本土作戰就有突出表現，這跟馬來西亞的羽球氛圍有關係。李宗偉 是馬來西亞的英雄，他一出場，所有觀眾都興奮起來，這種氣氛能激發運動員的潛能。

觀眾激發潛能
但在別的國家比賽，當然沒有這種主場氣氛，所以他的發揮就欠一點火喉。另外，他奧運會跟林丹的決賽，可以說 是沒有辦法——林丹太快了。那場球林丹可以說是天下無敵，太快了。李宗偉和他根本不是一個級別，那天應該說 不存在什么“心理因素”，因為林丹太強大了。”
“所謂「心理因素」應該這么看：一個運動員技術達到一定層次，他的心理也到一個層次，比如說水平不夠，比賽 中他的心理就會產生問題——他沒底嘛。 李宗偉有時心理波動，其實就是他的技術有問題，他不知道該怎么對付對手！所以從教練的角度看，心理問題從來 都是和技術掛鉤的。比如我和你打球，我就不存在心理問題——我的技術遠遠超過你嘛。

但我和與我同等水平的打，我的心理壓力會增加。所以心理跟技術是互相關聯的——很多人過度強調心理因素，我 認為實際上是技術決定心理。”

Not the first time I have mentioned this fact though, I guess Lee Chong Wei will have to win the All-England, World Championships, and the Olympics Gold Medal by 2012 before he (or his fans) can convince the critics for good ;)

Let's face it, it's tough being Lee Chong Wei. As an INA fan, I really do symphatize his plight. No matter what this guy do, winning or losing, it doesn't matter anymore if he has no major titles to show for because the critics (oh we do have plenty here) just simply won't be convinced. He will forever be haunted by his lack of mental toughness etc etc.

Yes, it does no matter how many more Super Series titles he's going to win in the future. Not even how many more times he beat Lin Dan. If he does beat Lin Dan occassionally , his critics will say that Lin Dan has won all the major titles and nearly all of the SS titles, so, one or two victories for Lee Chong Wei per year do not really matter :)

It will be worse if Lee Chong Wei did lose. Almost instantenously, he will get condemned, just like yesterday's loss ;)

you made an excellent point...as a baddy fan and a MAS supporter myself, LCW is one of the 4 players I would make an oversea trip just to see him play, the other 3 are LD, TH and PG. It is not a matter of who's winning the top prize but more importantly, to watch the style and beauty of baddy that these 4 players display that would attract me. You are absolutely correct, tough being LCW, much tougher than onetoughbirdie!!!

[quote=jamesd20;1129630]Yes headline news, but it has been noted by others in the forum that CL is the upcoming talent in CHN squad. Also note LCW nearly lost to Lu Yi in AE 1st Round - He was fortunate that LY got excited and made a series of crucial errors.

Like Oldhand says CJ is only a quitter when it suits him. He seems to suffer from a chronic back inury. He is a fighter and gives his all every rally, he is not so skilled as his teamates but he is not a quitter

Anyone who beats someone is better than them on the day. There may be reasons - and then supporters & managers fans can alter the reason for loss into excuse.

All CHN MS have a personal manual on LCW that they have to memorise day in day out.That's because LCW is the only threat to LD and their primary job is to clear the way for LD so he can collect the prize with less effort and agony.How do you explain CHN MS stretching LCW and losing or winning dangerously against much lesser ranked players?
CJ is a quitter.CH is the no 1 quitter in badminton;CJ is the no 2.These are impressions created based on cumulative behaviour.We may disagree but if a player quits more than once,the image sticks.It's like in tennis, when asked to name a quitter,Djokovic is No1. Sad but real. LYB may laugh it off but the dirt image builds up surely if slowly. No PR campaign can clean it off because distractors can just replay the videos.That's the power of technology.So unforgiving.
LD has to play less tournaments because his chances of winning is less in SS.He has not won 3 titles(or even 2)consecutively like he used to because the draw format in SS does not give him the bodyguard advantage he used to have before, in the SF and final stages.
LCW made the right decision to play in IO primarily for recce purposes.Too bad he met a superb opponent but now he must be relishing his job as a part time coach if WMC continues her progress...
I disagree that playing many tournaments smacks of lack of confidence. On the contrary, it smacks of over confidence and no fear of losing.It also smacks of stupidity and lack of understanding of optimum performance from the human body.(But it's BAM, what do you expect?)
I believe LCW will actually play less this year,like skipping both CHN SS (and even HKO) and let other MAS MS to have their fun playing CHN MS with no manuals on them.

te=OneToughBirdie;1129813]Hi Loh:....'world champion?'...errr...not too fast!:p:D[/quote]
Hiyaa, India's newspaper, what you expect? :p
For reports from Msian press, read today's NST & The Star

I suggest Lee Chong Wei to attend just the following tourneys only till Olympics 2012 to minimize the number of threads opened for him just because he win/lose in a particular tourney:

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Who cares about all the other SS events as Lee Chong Wei himself already won: Malaysia, Swiss, Singapore, Indonesia, Denmark (5* before it was changed to SS) and French SS. Winning those events again do not add anything to his cv. He can afford to skip them to avoid being embarrassed should he lose in early rounds :rolleyes:

My friend, had a good laugh with your 1st paragraph. Yes, Yes LCW should minimize, economy slowdown, budget has been reduced this year, 10 tourneys a year only. More than that, should be only by contractual obligation, really necessary like collecting WR points for WC.
Not only avoid embarassment, if lose early rounds, LCW & Misbun must write long reports to Sports Minister.;):p:p

................. You are absolutely correct, tough being LCW, much tougher than onetoughbirdie!!!
With another 'birdie''s flying with your sharp eyes, this eagle can take a break. You're a tough bird, no problem :D

** THUD!!!** It all came crashing down, Malaysia Boleh style

MS WR1 packed off nicely in the 1st round by a junior chinese shuttler. On the side note, in the near future, I hope our back up to the elite or whatever elite or super elite juniors we have now can do likewise and upset China's top man, LD in the first round and send the man packing.

I hope our MS WR1, SO champion wont be packed off again in Hyderabad in the first round come 5 months time.


Let's not count this India Open as a failure in view of this 1st round bye bye. Dear bolehians, lets all form a circle, hold hands and list down the positives from this India Open trip in view of the WC in Aug. The positives I can think of are as follows:


LCW will know which are the good indian restaurants to go to as compared to LD
LCW will know where to shop for the best bargains
LCW will be able to recommend to KKK/TBH which hair saloon in Hyderabad to go to during the WC.
LCW gets to fly home early to KL just in time to catch Akademi FantasiaAs such, this exit is not that bad really. Whats important is the WC in Aug. Lets hope and slaughter a goat and a rooster so that come Aug in Hyderabad, our LCW will have both luck and strength to pull through.

Malaysia semua boleh punya!!!



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It is so easy to be an armchair critic with regards to LCW’s loss to CL. I have been down with food-poisoning and I know how debilitating the situation is. You will be so weak that you can’t hardly move. LCW being the gentleman he is, played on despite the pain and he has my kudos. It is good that it happened in March 2009 and not August when the World Championship takes place. I just hope that LCW will be more careful in future with regards to the food outlets he goes for his meals.

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It is so easy to be an armchair critic with regards to LCW’s loss to CL. I have been down with food-poisoning and I know how debilitating the situation is. You will be so weak that you can’t hardly move. LCW being the gentleman he is, played on despite the pain and he has my kudos. It is good that it happened in March 2009 and not August when the World Championship takes place. I just hope that LCW will be more careful in future with regards to the food outlets he goes for his meals.
For professional players, precautions about food and water are necessities.
It is a bit difficult to believe that Lee Chong Wei isn't aware of these basics.

As for the 'food outlet' in question, that is reported to have been 'an inflight meal'. Given that Chong Wei didn't parachute into the stadium or walk off the plane and head straight for his match against Chen Long, the plot has gotten much thicker than it initially was.

Strange how the poisons in the airline's food appear to have a, er, gestation period :rolleyes:

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It is so easy to be an armchair critic with regards to LCW’s loss to CL. I have been down with food-poisoning and I know how debilitating the situation is. You will be so weak that you can’t hardly move. LCW being the gentleman he is, played on despite the pain and he has my kudos. It is good that it happened in March 2009 and not August when the World Championship takes place. I just hope that LCW will be more careful in future with regards to the food outlets he goes for his meals.

Frankly since he knew he suffered from food poisoning, he should not continue and injure himself further, both physically and mentally. It is not right to think he would be a 'gentleman' to torture himself and his standing! :(

A reasonable and reliable coach would have asked him not to play.

I suggest Lee Chong Wei to attend just the following tourneys only till Olympics 2012 to minimize the number of threads opened for him just because he win/lose in a particular tourney:

Team Events:
1. Sudirman Cup 2009 and 2011 (have to attend, representing MAS).
2. Thomas Cup 2010 and 2012 (ditto)
3. Asian Games 2010 (ditto)

Individual Events:
1. Asian Games 2010
2. World Championships 2009-2011
3. All England 2010-2012
4. Malaysia Super Series 2010-2012 (home event)
5. Malaysia GP Golds 2010-2012 (ditto)
6. All other events as stipulated in his contract with Yonex: possibly Hong Kong, Korea, and Japan SS + two from India, Chinese-Taipei, or Macau GP Golds.

That should give him at least 10 tourneys a year.

Who cares about all the other SS events as Lee Chong Wei himself already won: Malaysia, Swiss, Singapore, Indonesia, Denmark (5* before it was changed to SS) and French SS. Winning those events again do not add anything to his cv. He can afford to skip them to avoid being embarrassed should he lose in early rounds :rolleyes:
Given the mushrooming of young Chinese talent, it requires a large mix of optimism and jingoism to believe that Lee Chong Wei will be winning major tournaments in 2010 or beyond.

In the same breath, I will add Lin Dan too.
The years ahead belong to new blood :)

I am suprise why LCW enter this tournament? A gold tournament? He did not need the money prize and surely did not need the point rankings.

Maybe too tired. He need to better his scheduling. But we had to give props for Chen Long.
the answer is on post#112;)

Yes headline news, but it has been noted by others in the forum that CL is the upcoming talent in CHN squad. Also note LCW nearly lost to Lu Yi in AE 1st Round - He was fortunate that LY got excited and made a series of crucial errors.

yep, chong wei nearly lost to lu yi during the 1st round of the ae but u could see the experience of chong wei obviously help him out plus there are lots of young and talented chinese junior player who could spring us a surprise as far as we all do know. actually im not quite surprised with this because from what i read in other parts this forum, lu yi did beat the world and olympic champion, lin dan during their training camp:cool:
My opinion is basically LCW is a slow starter in tournaments. He obvisously underestimated CL. All players, and even more so CHN youngsters want to put the mark out to their bosses by performing well & potentially upsetting the top players. I am still confused as to why he is entering this tournament anyway....playing many tournaments smacks of lack of confidence to me:(?
i could not agree with this as obviously as we all know, lee chong wei himself already spoke that he and some of the players in the mas camp have some food poisoning before the 1st round and not feeling well starting from morning. this interview came from chong wei himself to make things clearer:cool:

“We have been having our meals at the hotel for the past few days. But I was getting bored with it and we went out for food,” he said in a telephone interview.
“I started to feel weak this morning. I started the match well but I was not in a good condition. I could have beaten him under normal circumstances but this was just one of those days. It was the first time that I have experienced this.”


So, we just can't simply say that chong wei underestimate chen long. yesterday was not just his day.:(
Just imagine if you are chong wei in this situation.;):rolleyes:

For professional players, precautions about food and water are necessities.
It is a bit difficult to believe that Lee Chong Wei isn't aware of these basics.

As for the 'food outlet' in question, that is reported to have been 'an inflight meal'. Given that Chong Wei didn't parachute into the stadium or walk off the plane and head straight for his match against Chen Long, the plot has gotten much thicker than it initially was.

Strange how the poisons in the airline's food appear to have a, er, gestation period :rolleyes:

Could have been mis-translation or sthing with the reporters. Kindly read today's New Straits Times & The Star. The malay press reports same info. That's why I said wait for today's newspapers, from a few sources.;);) And I'm sure after reading those reports, there'll be more criticism (as usual).

Anyway, no need to kan cheong over the issue.

Frankly since he knew he suffered from food poisoning, he should not continue and injure himself further, both physically and mentally. It is not right to think he would be a 'gentleman' to torture himself and his standing! :(

A reasonable and reliable coach would have asked him not to play.

For me, maybe the food poisoning effects were not very serious until he cant play that match or have to give W/O to CL, but it still uncomfortable and was affecting his overall performance and eventually he lost. I think he was just trying his best in that typical situation although he knew he might/will lost and he was 'gentleman' enough to face the lost...;)

what to do, 'someone' here just can't appreciate a player like Lee Chong Wei.
Even their own countrymen also, they will surely wont give them the morale support, no matter win or lose.
If win, will comment, lose also, will comment.

And even, helping someone not from MAS to condemn MAS players....I dont see this happen from INA's fans at all.....sigh :(

For me, maybe the food poisoning effects were not very serious until he cant play that match or have to give W/O to CL, but it still uncomfortable and was affecting his overall performance and eventually he lost. I think he was just trying his best in that typical situation although he knew he might/will lost and he was 'gentleman' enough to face the lost...;)

If I not mistaken, if give walkover/withdraw last minute before Round 1, still have pay the penalty, US$200 (?), even if injured or sick. So, if not very serious, sure will play, if not branded as 'coward' (pengecut), wasting tax payer $$$$, and get calls from Sports Minister.;):p

Now that is what I fear will continue to haunt him.

During a mini 'crisis' situation as depicted in his last encounter with CL when he felt physically weak and started to let his negative thoughts overwhelm him, he even returned CL's serve outside of court when he wasn't prepared to do so in the first place. He wasn't thinking rationally and simply gave away a 'free' point because he was 'buried' with negative thoughts!

Anything can happen in a match, including fatigue, and if LCW allows fatigue or the like to dictate his play, he is not prepared to become the next World Champ! :mad:


hahaha Mr Loh, a bit contradictory. LD gave up in the 2nd set in the SWISS and hit the last point into the net (I saw that) - he was fatigued. Does that mean he is not prepared to become the next World Champ ?

Actually, this is all so subjective. Really, at the end of the day, I think a champ is someone who can step up to win whether it is the AE, the SWISS, or something else. No one can win it all these days, not LD not LCW. Take a look at LCW who has beaten LD 6 times, can we say that is 6 times too little or 6 times too many ?

When you work it out, even other players, e.g. Boonsak has beaten LD and LCW. So is he not a champion being able to do that ?

For professional players, precautions about food and water are necessities.
It is a bit difficult to believe that Lee Chong Wei isn't aware of these basics.

As for the 'food outlet' in question, that is reported to have been 'an inflight meal'. Given that Chong Wei didn't parachute into the stadium or walk off the plane and head straight for his match against Chen Long, the plot has gotten much thicker than it initially was.

Strange how the poisons in the airline's food appear to have a, er, gestation period :rolleyes:
yes, precautions about food and water are necessities. But, u must know, professional players are humans too. they might made some mistakes just like in this case. well, as u know, the food stuff especially in India for me is speechless:rolleyes:..
and do we actually know the truth that chong wei actually ate the food that gave him this problem in the plane?? in the local restaurant? ( as reporter in the star) or what?? there are so many press and newspapers reports/articles out there. 45% of those reports claiming are different i could see.:rolleyes:
there are reports coming from India and Malaysia in this case especially.
so, its very hard to believe which one is true.;):(

hahaha Mr Loh, a bit contradictory. LD gave up in the 2nd set in the SWISS and hit the last point into the net (I saw that) - he was fatigued. Does that mean he is not prepared to become the next World Champ ?

Actually, this is all so subjective. Really, at the end of the day, I think a champ is someone who can step up to win whether it is the AE, the SWISS, or something else. No one can win it all these days, not LD not LCW. Take a look at LCW who has beaten LD 6 times, can we say that is 6 times too little or 6 times too many ?

When you work it out, even other players, e.g. Boonsak has beaten LD and LCW. So is he not a champion being able to do that ?

The highlighted line is one of the best I've read this year :)
Well said, X_Ball.

(PS: The rest of the argument is couched more in Boleh than in essentials :D)

And even, helping someone not from MAS to condemn MAS players....I dont see this happen from INA's fans at all.....sigh :(
It reveals envy.It indicates the person's a failed athlete and have to vent his frustrations and criticise to feel superior.Athletes who have really 'arrived' and achieve 'greatness' are usually reticent about their compatriots failures but happy for their successes because they know how gruelling and long the journey must have been.The chap couldn't even get past the coach.But why are MAS fans so bothered?As if you are dealing with a mother-in-law.Ignore the mother-in-law and the nagging will die for lack of attention.
Anyway, jasonmarc, pls do a favour.Pls translate LM's interview.Just the gist of it.(NO need sentence by sentence.)

Frankly since he knew he suffered from food poisoning, he should not continue and injure himself further, both physically and mentally. It is not right to think he would be a 'gentleman' to torture himself and his standing! :(

A reasonable and reliable coach would have asked him not to play.

Dr Loh, he might have felt that he had recovered enough to play even after 5 toilet visits but at the end the same energy level deserted him.

Now it would be terrible to call it quits in the middle of the 2nd set or 3rd set - coz then tongues would wag. But then in restrospect, he shouldn't care about wagging tongues anyway because they are wagging now.:D

Dr Loh, he might have felt that he had recovered enough to play even after 5 toilet visits but at the end the same energy level deserted him.

Now it would be terrible to call it quits in the middle of the 2nd set or 3rd set - coz then tongues would wag. But then in restrospect, he shouldn't care about wagging tongues anyway because they are wagging now.:D

Just hope that LCW has learnt his lesson! ;)

The highlighted line is one of the best I've read this year :)
Well said, X_Ball.

(PS: The rest of the argument is couched more in Boleh than in essentials :D)


Best compliment from you so far -- come to think of it there was never any compliment from you.:D

Look at the bright side, his lost gave anti MAS fan 5 minute of happiness to create topic such as this. So it's not all disaster.

If LCW doesnt attend that many tournaments and leech off every single point he can... how will be ever stay world #1? ^^ It seems that the Chinese team has completely given up on the world ranking system =P
Why don't you ask LD to play in every tournament to get back his WR1?(Remember he used to play many tournaments before SS?) He has a blog. Ask him and if he can't say yes to your request , ask him why.Do you know how much preparations LD needs to get ready for a tournament? How much LCW needs? Do you know why there's such a big difference between them in terms of preparation efforts? Are you aware that LD cannot play a tournament without his teammates being ready as well?(OK, except Thai Open)Does LCW have to wait for his teammates? What does that tell you?

Look at the bright side, his lost gave anti MAS fan 5 minute of happiness to create topic such as this. So it's not all disaster.
what to do? this is their golden chance as stated by jason in other threads earlier.
they already have 14 days of sadness. Let them blast all out then;)

Just hope that LCW has learnt his lesson! ;)
I hope so, he need to less talking after a game. He really need to.

Losing is not fun, when he's unable to control the upset feelings, give him another option, stay silent, dear.
You do know we'll stay faith, no matter what.

what to do? this is their golden chance as stated by jason in other threads earlier.
they already have 14 days of sadness. Let them blast all out then;)

Wow, like that I really feel sad for them. Its like their life is so pathetic.

what to do? this is their golden chance as stated by jason in other threads earlier.
they already have 14 days of sadness. Let them blast all out then;)

Take it easy George.
Creating such threads makes it more interesting than just keeping mum.
They help push our adrenalin higher but try not to mount personal attacks and let's enjoy the debate or discussion. Treat it as entertainment! :p

A press interview with Li Mao... Someone please translate... Tq

一哥心理波動
問題出在技術


技術水平決定心理！
李矛先前的愛徒馬來西亞選手李宗偉，在他執教期間達到頂尖水準，但自從李矛赴韓執教后，李宗偉的心理狀態始 終無法調整到最佳。
凡在馬來西亞國內的比賽李宗偉總是經常奪冠，參加6屆馬來西亞公開賽更5次奪冠，但在國外，如奧運和韓國公 開賽，在決賽就經常出現因心理波動而連續失分的現象。所以做為教練一定要幫助球員建立信心，場上和場外做好 球員堅強后盾。
談及這些，李矛侃侃而談：“是這樣的，李宗偉本土作戰就有突出表現，這跟馬來西亞的羽球氛圍有關係。李宗偉 是馬來西亞的英雄，他一出場，所有觀眾都興奮起來，這種氣氛能激發運動員的潛能。

觀眾激發潛能
但在別的國家比賽，當然沒有這種主場氣氛，所以他的發揮就欠一點火喉。另外，他奧運會跟林丹的決賽，可以說 是沒有辦法——林丹太快了。那場球林丹可以說是天下無敵，太快了。李宗偉和他根本不是一個級別，那天應該說 不存在什么“心理因素”，因為林丹太強大了。”
“所謂「心理因素」應該這么看：一個運動員技術達到一定層次，他的心理也到一個層次，比如說水平不夠，比賽 中他的心理就會產生問題——他沒底嘛。 李宗偉有時心理波動，其實就是他的技術有問題，他不知道該怎么對付對手！所以從教練的角度看，心理問題從來 都是和技術掛鉤的。比如我和你打球，我就不存在心理問題——我的技術遠遠超過你嘛。

但我和與我同等水平的打，我的心理壓力會增加。所以心理跟技術是互相關聯的——很多人過度強調心理因素，我 認為實際上是技術決定心理。”

OK, I try my best. as pjswift requested...............LM said :...

LCW mental weakness is greatly due to inadequate technique level in his play

Technique level decide ones mental strenght

LM said, if a player have advantages in technique level over his opponent, he will have a lot of resources, know what to do with his opponents and more stable mentally.

Hope You can understand...!

Take it easy George.
Creating such threads makes it more interesting than just keeping mum.
They help push our adrenalin higher but try not to mount personal attacks and let's enjoy the debate or discussion. Treat it as entertainment! :p
Agree, Uncle Loh.
Take it easy and enjoy.

Bc should be fun, so let's live it up! No hard feelings yea.

I suggest Lee Chong Wei to attend just the following tourneys only till Olympics 2012 to minimize the number of threads opened for him just because he win/lose in a particular tourney:

Team Events:
1. Sudirman Cup 2009 and 2011 (have to attend, representing MAS).
2. Thomas Cup 2010 and 2012 (ditto)
3. Asian Games 2010 (ditto)

Individual Events:
1. Asian Games 2010
2. World Championships 2009-2011
3. All England 2010-2012
4. Malaysia Super Series 2010-2012 (home event)
5. Malaysia GP Golds 2010-2012 (ditto)
6. All other events as stipulated in his contract with Yonex: possibly Hong Kong, Korea, and Japan SS + two from India, Chinese-Taipei, or Macau GP Golds.

That should give him at least 10 tourneys a year.

Who cares about all the other SS events as Lee Chong Wei himself already won: Malaysia, Swiss, Singapore, Indonesia, Denmark (5* before it was changed to SS) and French SS. Winning those events again do not add anything to his cv. He can afford to skip them to avoid being embarrassed should he lose in early rounds :rolleyes:

well....to be fair enough...he should just play in mas ss...mas gp gold...ina ss...ina gp gold...sg ss...sg gp gold(if have)....THAILAND OPEN...brunei gp gold(hope have one)....ae....wc...and one team event...;)...ten tournament a year...SAVE TAXPAYER MONEY by sending him just to nearby country...;)...those hk ss,korea ss,japan ss....too expensive already....we need to use those money to help many poor family in malaysia...;)

OK, I try my best. as pjswift requested...............LM said :...

LCW mental weakness is greatly due to inadequate technique level in his play

Technique level decide ones mental strenght

LM said, if a player have advantages in technique level over his opponent, he will have a lot of resources, know what to do with his opponents and more stable mentally.

Hope You can understand...!

when you just a normal player....u will have no fear because u dont know how strong ur opponent is...
the nearer u are(level of skill and everything)...the more u fear...because u start to realise how strong ur opponent is...
when the fear reach the peak....thats the time u are as strong as ur opponent...:)

Many thanks, jasonmarc and limsy.
So LM's saying LCW has lots to grow in terms of tactics.PG and TH are gonna help him develop that.When was this interview?

when you just a normal player....u will have no fear because u dont know how strong ur opponent is...
the nearer u are(level of skill and everything)...the more u fear...because u start to realise how strong ur opponent is...
when the fear reach the peak....thats the time u are as strong as ur opponent...:)

Yes, i SHD PUT IT AS SKILL LEVEL.........

Well said, especially when U know how to handle ur opponent......ur are the winner.....right ? :D:D

Many thanks, jasonmarc and limsy.
So LM's saying LCW has lots to grow in terms of tactics.PG and TH are gonna help him develop that.When was this interview?

Not stated in that article.....:)

TH is the best candidate in this area.....

Thursday March 26, 2009

Chen Long upsets weakened Chong Wei in opening round

By LIM TEIK HUAT

PETALING JAYA: Food poisoning put paid to shuttler Lee Chong Wei’s hopes of winning his first back-to-back title outside Malaysia yesterday.
The world No. 1 was beaten 21-7, 16-21, 18-21 by unseeded Chinese and former world junior champion Chen Long in the first round of the Indian Open in Hyderabad. It was the first time in 22 months that Chong Wei ended up as a first-round casualty after the defeat by compatriot Mohd Hafiz Hashim at the Singapore Open in 2007.
The defeat also put an end to his impressive record of six successive final appearance since the China Open last November.
Chong Wei, who bagged the Swiss Open earlier this month with a fine win over arch rival Lin Dan of China after losing at the preceding All-England, attributed the early exit to the stomach upset he suffered the previous day.
“We have been having our meals at the hotel for the past few days. But I was getting bored with it and we went out for food,” he said in a telephone interview.
“I started to feel weak this morning. I started the match well but I was not in a good condition. I could have beaten him under normal circumstances but this was just one of those days. It was the first time that I have experienced this.”
However, Chong Wei, who was named the national Sportsman of the Year on Monday, saw it as a blessing in disguise that it happened to him now than later.
He will return to the same Gachibowli Sta*dium in August to try and become the first Malay*sian to win at the world championships.
“I was told to be careful of the food we take in India but I never thought it would happen to me. In fact, Wong Mew Choo (Malaysian women’s singles player) also did not feel well,” he said.
“I am always careful of the food whenever I go for competitions. But we had no choice because it was difficult to get food if we returned late to the hotel.
“We even had to buy water from outside and that was only possible if the bus stopped at a mini market on the way back.
“I hope the conditions improves when we return for the world championships. I will not be surprised if some of the players chose not to go.”
taken from staronline: thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2009/3/26/sports/3562026&sec=sports


let me try to understand;
LCW knew the quality of outside food in India.
1. why he take the risk? - tricky question....

2. why he get bored with the hotel food? - Malaysia's food temptation fault
3. why he come back late before the 1st day of tournament? - unsolved mystery. he needs to train late till 10pm or midnite? or the hotel service is so poor that he cant get food at dinner time?
4. why he needs to go out? - i always thought there will be trainer or coach or assistant or official that may help to get quality/clean food if there is a necessary. my mistake. :o

if we returned late to the hotel.

3. why he come back late before the 1st day of tournament? - unsolved mystery. he needs to train late till 10pm or midnite? or the hotel service is so poor that he cant get food at dinner time?
4. why he needs to go out? - i always thought there will be trainer or coach or assistant or official that may help to get quality/clean food if there is a necessary. my mistake. :o

he say IF...now u know how tricky is this article...;)

let me try to understand;
LCW knew the quality of outside food in India.
1. why he take the risk? - tricky question....

2. why he get bored with the hotel food? - Malaysia's food temptation fault
3. why he come back late before the 1st day of tournament? - unsolved mystery. he needs to train late till 10pm or midnite? or the hotel service is so poor that he cant get food at dinner time?
4. why he needs to go out? - i always thought there will be trainer or coach or assistant or official that may help to get quality/clean food if there is a necessary. my mistake. :o

Like I said in page 7, kindly also read the NST article, if you all curious to know, take the trouble to find the article.;)
As for no 4, wah, players so good life got assistant/official help get food, LOL, no such thing. :p

he say IF...now u know how tricky is this article...;)
is that mean, he always go out and come back late?
As for no 4, wah, players so good life got assistant/official help get food, LOL, no such thing. :p
can you let me know how many people(not players) accompany MAS players to overseas tournament? what is the duty of each person?

is that mean, he always go out and come back late?

can you let me know how many people(not players) accompany MAS players to overseas tournament? what is the duty of each person?

1st question....no...i mean...he just try to say how GOOD is the hotel....;)...if the hotel is NOT NEAR from stadium....will the organiser send every player back RIGHT AFTER their match finish???;)....

2nd question...depend on tournament...it also depend on the cost...for further detail...ants will be the correct people that can solve your question...:)

to add:should also depend on the size of squad....

1st question....no...i mean...he just try to say how GOOD is the hotel....;)...if the hotel is NOT NEAR from stadium....will the organiser send every player back RIGHT AFTER their match finish???;)....
good hotel with no good food. kind of funny to me.
how far will be the hotel? 2 hours of bus ride? at 60km/h, that will be 120km from stadium. will organizer send back? geez... is my mistake again. i thought is arrange by MAS officials/assistant something.
organizer - "hey MAS players, you all need to wait the bus for 3 hours, because we arrange so..." is this logical? or "hey MAS players, we can only send you back to hotel after dinner time"
by the way, it is first day of tournament, no late match before that.

Wow, this has been a very long "wash" cycle. We could keep going & going and it will never end. Later we will probably start analyzing the ingredients of the food that LCW had taken. Bottom line, he lost. He requested to go to India to have a test on the venue & mission accomplished. A taste of Indian food....that was also accomplished. We need to move on guys....

can you let me know how many people(not players) accompany MAS players to overseas tournament? what is the duty of each person?

If you want fast & accurate answer, ask Ants or Hauge. Slow answer, we ask players 1st, see if they reply ;). Offhand : Team Manager for whole team, Pysio, Medical doctor. But I dont think the officials will do the remeh-temeh stuff of looking for clean food for players, players must be independent mah, they're not prince/princess, rich taukeh.

And once again, look at the NST article, and after that also, no need to kan cheong abt this issue <yawn>. If you bored from moderating job, help me search WR for the upset list.:p:p

i thought is arrange by MAS officials/assistant something.
organizer - "hey MAS players, you all need to wait the bus for 3 hours, because we arrange so..." is this logical? or "hey MAS players, we can only send you back to hotel after dinner time"
by the way, it is first day of tournament, no late match before that.

oh....mas official have a car there????oh...maybe they back by taxi...oh wait...this time mas squad more than 20 players....plus coach...team leader....assistnace coach....doctor and bla bla bla....how many taxi we need????:confused:....then we need bam to pay....WASTE TAXPAYER MONEY...most posible is they back by organiser bus....28+ people one bus....and not just malaysia player....other nation no need????u should know how good the reputation of india organiser...remember that they even need to stop the match last year due to the stadium too hot???...and the network connection problem???....and yet...how many bus organiser prepared????u know?no....i know?no....so...no point....;)

Question is :What kind of official hotel is this? No 24-hour room service? No bottled water?(maybe no guest would consume) Is this hotel good enough to be the official hotel for WC? (Maybe CJ got food poisoning last year as well. He went out R1 to MAS rookie CWF.Funny, revenge for history.)But it's good LCW lost.See how the draw opens up?

According to SinChew (Msia Chinese Newspaper) on internet, LCW said they ordered "Take out". However, it didn't mention whether they went out to pick it up or it was delivered to the hotel.

“我們一直都避免外出用餐，但這幾天酒店的食物我們吃到膩了，所以週二（3月24日）晚上（賽前一天）我們 決定叫外賣，事後證明我們為此付出了代價。”

Translation: We have been trying to avoid eating out, but we were getting bored with hotel's food. Therefore, on 3/24 (the day before tournament), we decided to order take out. It turned out we have paid the "price" for that decision.

just be patient with me, trying to understand more.
let us not going to condemn India if there is no proof that they are unable to provide transportation. if, just if, India is not capable to organize this rather small international tournament, why they can host Asian Games that consist of hundreds or thousand of athletes?
if we deem India is not capable, why BWF let them organize WC then?
by the way, if we want to enter a tournament, do we need to pay fees?

by the way, if we want to enter a tournament, do we need to pay fees?

as far as i know...yes....and if u withdraw....after register...also need to pay....:)

Speaking from my limited observation of players during tourneys in the past 2 years, the INA players typically will buy their own food either individually or in groups, unless of course ppl like Hau-Ge decides to treat them :D

In fact, I think INA players rarely eat in hotel because hotel food is so much more expensive :cool: So, I see nothing wrong with players getting their own food outside (well, despite the fact that there might be a risk of food poisoning) :o

Oh yes....if the hotel is located far from the stadium, there's usually a shuttle bus arranged by the tournament organizer that transports players and officials to the hotel. The schedule is quite regular during tournament times, but before the tourney begins, it might be quite irregular. There are even cases where players missed the last shuttle and they have to go back to the hotel on their own.

I believe the officials are not there to arrange transportations, meal schedules, etc. It's kinda weird really to expect them do these jobs. Players are not king to the extent that they can order the officials to get them taxis or dinners. The officials certainly have other responsibilities of their own :rolleyes:

If you want fast & accurate answer, ask Ants or Hauge. Slow answer, we ask players 1st, see if they reply ;). Offhand : Team Manager for whole team, Pysio, Medical doctor. But I dont think the officials will do the remeh-temeh stuff of looking for clean food for players, players must be independent mah, they're not prince/princess, rich taukeh.


You hit the spot!

Speaking from my limited observation of players during tourneys in the past 2 years, the INA players typically will buy their own food either individually or in groups, unless of course ppl like Hau-Ge decides to treat them :D

In fact, I think INA players rarely eat in hotel because hotel food is so much more expensive :cool: So, I see nothing wrong with players getting their own food outside (well, despite the fact that there might be a risk of food poisoning) :o

Oh yes....if the hotel is located far from the stadium, there's usually a shuttle bus arranged by the tournament organizer that transports players and officials to the hotel. The schedule is quite regular during tournament times, but before the tourney begins, it might be quite irregular. There are even cases where players missed the last shuttle and they have to go back to the hotel on their own.

I believe the officials are not there to arrange transportations, meal schedules, etc. It's kinda weird really to expect them do these jobs. Players are not king to the extent that they can order the officials to get them taxis or dinners. The officials certainly have other responsibilities of their own :rolleyes:

thumb up...........:D

INA just sends Lius Pongoh as the only official in charge (team manager) of ALL the players for this India Open GP Gold. Imagine if he's to do all the dirty jobs like buying dinners, arranging taxis, etc.

I bet the INA players also eat outside. But, I guess our stomachs can endure the bits and pieces of "poisons" in the Indian hawkers :D We have been trained at home for that ;)

Fact no 2: only the very very disciplined players will stick to the routine of practice, doing their jobs in the matches, and return back to hotel.

Most players will take some time to explore the cities they are playing in, do some shopping (esp if you are in exotic countries) and sight-seeing. They are human beings after all and not robots :cool: I guess some guys will return back late to their hotel :rolleyes: When the INA team was competing in HKG in 2007, we went out for supper until past 10pm. No problem with that I suppose?

sorry if i am annoying. kind of troublesome kid that needs clarifications. :o
1. fee - does it cover lodging, meals, transportation for players + others?
2. again, how many other people that tag along with players to overseas tournament? what is the duty of each individual?
before i go too off...... and we go too off topic
please do provide me with correct informations.
many thanks.

good hotel with no good food

Easy answer....good hotel must have EXPENSIVE FOOD! Remember, players have to buy their own food from their limited daily allowance (at least for INA players), so you can't expect them to use that up for expensive hotel food :eek::rolleyes:

I myself seldom eat in hotel when I am travelling, unless I have to :o

Easy answer....good hotel must have EXPENSIVE FOOD! Remember, players have to buy their own food from their limited daily allowance (at least for INA players), so you can't expect them to use that up for expensive hotel food :eek::rolleyes:s

I myself seldom eat in hotel when I am travelling, unless I have to :o
err.... that is INA players. how about MAS players...?

[quote=jamesd20;1129630]Yes headline news, but it has been noted by others in the forum that CL is the upcoming talent in CHN squad. Also note LCW nearly lost to Lu Yi in AE 1st Round - He was fortunate that LY got excited and made a series of crucial errors.

Like Oldhand says CJ is only a quitter when it suits him. He seems to suffer from a chronic back inury. He is a fighter and gives his all every rally, he is not so skilled as his teamates but he is not a quitter

Anyone who beats someone is better than them on the day. There may be reasons - and then supporters & managers fans can alter the reason for loss into excuse.

All CHN MS have a personal manual on LCW that they have to memorise day in day out.That's because LCW is the only threat to LD and their primary job is to clear the way for LD so he can collect the prize with less effort and agony.How do you explain CHN MS stretching LCW and losing or winning dangerously against much lesser ranked players?
CJ is a quitter.CH is the no 1 quitter in badminton;CJ is the no 2.These are impressions created based on cumulative behaviour.We may disagree but if a player quits more than once,the image sticks.It's like in tennis, when asked to name a quitter,Djokovic is No1. Sad but real. LYB may laugh it off but the dirt image builds up surely if slowly. No PR campaign can clean it off because distractors can just replay the videos.That's the power of technology.So unforgiving.
LD has to play less tournaments because his chances of winning is less in SS.He has not won 3 titles(or even 2)consecutively like he used to because the draw format in SS does not give him the bodyguard advantage he used to have before, in the SF and final stages.
LCW made the right decision to play in IO primarily for recce purposes.Too bad he met a superb opponent but now he must be relishing his job as a part time coach if WMC continues her progress...
I disagree that playing many tournaments smacks of lack of confidence. On the contrary, it smacks of over confidence and no fear of losing.It also smacks of stupidity and lack of understanding of optimum performance from the human body.(But it's BAM, what do you expect?)
I believe LCW will actually play less this year,like skipping both CHN SS (and even HKO) and let other MAS MS to have their fun playing CHN MS with no manuals on them.

is CJ a quitter or not?

Good thing BCL, LD and CJ aren't playing in India Open, because u would change the story of CL and other young chinese rookies are there to clear the path for LD, CJ and BCL to get easy ranking point upgrade going into world championship.

let other MAS MS to have their fun playing CHN MS with no manuals on them CHN MS don't need manual on other players, MAS or not MAS. I have already said before, playbook for LCW, TH, PSH only.


I disagree that playing many tournaments smacks of lack of confidence. On the contrary, it smacks of over confidence and no fear of losing. So LCW success is hinged on finding the right amount confidence or else he craters?

sorry if i am annoying. kind of troublesome kid that needs clarifications. :o
1. fee - does it cover lodging, meals, transportation for players + others?
2. again, how many other people that tag along with players to overseas tournament? what is the duty of each individual?
before i go too off...... and we go too off topic
please do provide me with correct informations.
many thanks.

1. Players are usually given daily allowance . They have to use the small amount of allowance to cover their daily food expenses and other transportation expenses if they want to go sight-seeing on their own. Lodging is paid for by the association which is sending them to compete (BAM, PBSI, KLRC, Djarum, etc). Transportation to and from hotel and stadium is provided by tournament organizer at regular intervals. But, take note that they only provide limited number of buses too. So, if you miss the time, you have to wait for the next schedule.

2. Again it depends, ranging from 1 to unlimited. Usually, there's a team manager who handle the money and liase with the organizers. There's coaches that are in charge of the different disciplines. There's physios, trainers, masseus, etc that will help players if they encounter injury problems before or after the match. Hau-Ge and ants can fill in more information on the specific roles of each official.

err.... that is INA players. how about MAS players...?

Hau-Ge and ants can fill in more information on the specific roles of each official.

just like what badmania and i(in post 167) says....the one that know the detail is ants and hauge....they will be able to answer u question...but for sure....no official will help player buy food...;)

err.... that is INA players. how about MAS players...?

Well, even if their allowance is higher than what INA players receive, I don't think they wanna splurge it all on room service??

As LCW said, the players will get bored of the hotel food and they wanna experience outside food. To me, there's nothing wrong with making that kinda statement, but, of course, you have to bear the consequences if the food that you eat is "special" ;)

Sometimes, players are sent to compete in tourneys without officials too.

organizer - "hey MAS players, you all need to wait the bus for 3 hours, because we arrange so..." is this logical? or "hey MAS players, we can only send you back to hotel after dinner time"


Perfectly fine and logical to me because the organizer is the one who arranges for the transportation and the relevant schedules. If the bus can only arrive after dinner time, there's nothing that players and officials can do, unless they wanna go on their own by taxis. But remember, it's always best to go using transportation provided by the organizer, esp in a foreign land.

Question is :What kind of official hotel is this? No 24-hour room service? No bottled water?(maybe no guest would consume) Is this hotel good enough to be the official hotel for WC?

Translation: We have been trying to avoid eating out, but we were getting bored with hotel's food. Therefore, on 3/24 (the day before tournament), we decided to order take out. It turned out we have paid the "price" for that decision.
thanks for the infos.
LCW as world number 1 with few hundreds thousand of Ringgit Malaysia take the risk of food poisoning rather than special order food in hotel that can provide more hygiene? :o
i always have no objection for MAS players to enjoy themselves while at overseas. i will definitely do that, trust me. but, of course after the important thing, that you need to be there.

LCW as world number 1 with few hundreds thousand of Ringgit Malaysia take the risk of food poisoning rather than special order food in hotel that can provide more hygiene? :o


Even the ex-World No 1 in tennis, Roger Federer had experienced cases of food poisoning before a major slam, the Australian Open 2008. So, the risk of food poisoning does exist everywhere, not only in India.

those tennis players have their own manager that will take care of everything except play tennis. will take precaution of food poisoning too. if it still happen, cant blame them so much. but in this case, LCW took the risk of food poisoning. why he takes that kind of risk?

Another case of food poisoning in the Aussie Open this year: Serena Williams beat Victoria Azarenka by default, despite losing the first set 3-6 and Azarenka was in a superb form in that set. However, the Belarussian player could not continue the match later on as she apparently suffered from some food poisoning too (vomitted all morning). So, lucky Serena...she went on to win the Slam!

All CHN MS have a personal manual on LCW that they have to memorise day in day out.That's because LCW is the only threat to LD and their primary job is to clear the way for LD so he can collect the prize with less effort and agony.How do you explain CHN MS stretching LCW and losing or winning dangerously against much lesser ranked players?

last check on India open draw, LD, BCL and CJ weren't there. So who's path CL is clearing for?

i could not agree with this as obviously as we all know, lee chong wei himself already spoke that he and some of the players in the mas camp have some food poisoning before the 1st round and not feeling well starting from morning. this interview came from chong wei himself to make things clearer:cool:

“We have been having our meals at the hotel for the past few days. But I was getting bored with it and we went out for food,” he said in a telephone interview.
“I started to feel weak this morning. I started the match well but I was not in a good condition. I could have beaten him under normal circumstances but this was just one of those days. It was the first time that I have experienced this.”


So, we just can't simply say that chong wei underestimate chen long. yesterday was not just his day.:(
Just imagine if you are chong wei in this situation.;):rolleyes:
So food poison substance has a time release feature? It comes to effect starting at 2nd set?

yes, precautions about food and water are necessities. But, u must know, professional players are humans too. they might made some mistakes just like in this case. well, as u know, the food stuff especially in India for me is speechless:rolleyes:..
and do we actually know the truth that chong wei actually ate the food that gave him this problem in the plane?? in the local restaurant? ( as reporter in the star) or what?? there are so many press and newspapers reports/articles out there. 45% of those reports claiming are different i could see.:rolleyes:
there are reports coming from India and Malaysia in this case especially.
so, its very hard to believe which one is true.;):(
i thot lcw first said food poisoning from takeout food in india...???

those tennis players have their own manager that will take care of everything except play tennis. will take precaution of food poisoning too. if it still happen, cant blame them so much. but in this case, LCW took the risk of food poisoning. why he takes that kind of risk?

Choong Tan Fook/Chew Choon Eng also suffered from food poisoning prior to the China Open 2004 Final match. Dunno what caused the food poisoning though....but well, China is like India to a certain extent, so, they deserved their plight for not eating hygienic food only :rolleyes:

I guess whenever MAS players are competing outside of MAS, in places like China (Choong/Chew's experience), India (Dato Lee's own experience), Indonesia, Thailand (Boonsak got food poisoning in his hometown, prior to his departure for the MAS SS 2008), Philippines (Seo Yoon Hee got food poisoning while competing in the MVP Cup 2005), and any other countries that are deemed to be "not clean", they have to stick to the rule of "no outside food -- room service only", esp for the rich and loaded Dato Lee ;)

They have to be careful in the planes too...remember...Peter Gade also suffered from food poisoning before his arrival in the MAS SS 2007. Better don't eat at plane to avoid taking the risk of being floored by food poisoning right :D?

The best thing will be for BAM to hire a special nutritionist that will accompany the team whenever they travel. In that way, the guy can prepare the best diet for the team that's free of the risk of food poisoning.

OK, I try my best. as pjswift requested...............LM said :...

LCW mental weakness is greatly due to inadequate technique level in his play

Technique level decide ones mental strenght

LM said, if a player have advantages in technique level over his opponent, he will have a lot of resources, know what to do with his opponents and more stable mentally.

Hope You can understand...!hahahaha, pretty damning stuff.
However, according to our local guru pjswift, xball, and bolehian, lcw's is WR #1, his technique is superior than LD. That's why lcw had beaten LD 6 times. One camp must be wrong.

Many thanks, jasonmarc and limsy.
So LM's saying LCW has lots to grow in terms of tactics.PG and TH are gonna help him develop that.When was this interview?awhhhh, how come you won't let LD help develop him too:confused::crying:
LOL

Thursday March 26, 2009

Chen Long upsets weakened Chong Wei in opening round

By LIM TEIK HUAT

PETALING JAYA: Food poisoning put paid to shuttler Lee Chong Wei’s hopes of winning his first back-to-back title outside Malaysia yesterday.
The world No. 1 was beaten 21-7, 16-21, 18-21 by unseeded Chinese and former world junior champion Chen Long in the first round of the Indian Open in Hyderabad. It was the first time in 22 months that Chong Wei ended up as a first-round casualty after the defeat by compatriot Mohd Hafiz Hashim at the Singapore Open in 2007.
The defeat also put an end to his impressive record of six successive final appearance since the China Open last November.
Chong Wei, who bagged the Swiss Open earlier this month with a fine win over arch rival Lin Dan of China after losing at the preceding All-England, attributed the early exit to the stomach upset he suffered the previous day.
“We have been having our meals at the hotel for the past few days. But I was getting bored with it and we went out for food,” he said in a telephone interview.
“I started to feel weak this morning. I started the match well but I was not in a good condition. I could have beaten him under normal circumstances but this was just one of those days. It was the first time that I have experienced this.”
However, Chong Wei, who was named the national Sportsman of the Year on Monday, saw it as a blessing in disguise that it happened to him now than later.
He will return to the same Gachibowli Sta*dium in August to try and become the first Malay*sian to win at the world championships.
“I was told to be careful of the food we take in India but I never thought it would happen to me. In fact, Wong Mew Choo (Malaysian women’s singles player) also did not feel well,” he said.
“I am always careful of the food whenever I go for competitions. But we had no choice because it was difficult to get food if we returned late to the hotel.
“We even had to buy water from outside and that was only possible if the bus stopped at a mini market on the way back.
“I hope the conditions improves when we return for the world championships. I will not be surprised if some of the players chose not to go.”
taken from staronline: thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2009/3/26/sports/3562026&sec=sports


let me try to understand;
LCW knew the quality of outside food in India.
1. why he take the risk? - tricky question....

2. why he get bored with the hotel food? - Malaysia's food temptation fault
3. why he come back late before the 1st day of tournament? - unsolved mystery. he needs to train late till 10pm or midnite? or the hotel service is so poor that he cant get food at dinner time?
4. why he needs to go out? - i always thought there will be trainer or coach or assistant or official that may help to get quality/clean food if there is a necessary. my mistake. :oya, some inconsistency here. LCW thinks some other players likely affected too because they also went out to eat with him. Somehow singles players TTLee, Roslin, Daren Liew, HH, Wei T. Chong, KBeng Khan, S.A. Ayob, Chen Seang Tan, Beng HongKuan, WMChoo have advanced their round.

Question is :What kind of official hotel is this? No 24-hour room service? No bottled water?(maybe no guest would consume) Is this hotel good enough to be the official hotel for WC? (Maybe CJ got food poisoning last year as well. He went out R1 to MAS rookie CWF.Funny, revenge for history.)But it's good LCW lost.See how the draw opens up?
but i thot it was LYB's plan for CJ to lose. BTW, CJ didn't use food poisoning as a way out.

drifit, i think i got your point. Nothing's wrong with putting doubt. He shouldn't take the risk and eat the 'boring' meals instead.However, as much as you wont put the blame on the tennis players' managers, i won't put the blame on Chong Wei either. Make it fair.

If he said he was having food poisoning, then let's assume he is. Unless somebody have facts to prove it wrong. His mistake is to turn it out as an excuse. No excuse for a lost. It's a lost.



p/s - cooler, You seemed excited enough. The number of posts in this thread should be a record, feel free to add on.
One camp must be wrong.
Can we drop this? Differences mean differences. No one's right or wrong.

Haish, the issue hasn't stop yet? LCW lost, period. He got food poisoning, period. He admit his fault for not being careful, period. People, no more "why"s la... if God decides you die tomorrow, you want to ask why also? 'why me? why not LCW?' LOL

Btw, CJ didn't use food poisoning basically because he got undebatable excuse directly from LYB :D ... oh, didn't someone mentioned he's one of the famous quitter too? which is far lame then got caught by a food poisoning...

ya, some inconsistency here. LCW thinks some other players likely affected too because they also went out to eat with him. Somehow singles players TTLee, Roslin, Daren Liew, HH, Wei T. Chong, KBeng Khan, S.A. Ayob, Chen Seang Tan, Beng HongKuan, WMChoo have advanced their round.

well u have to consider the quality of their opponents too...all other players faced some unknown indian players while LCW had to face Chen Long whom we all know is certainly a sizable threat to any top 10 players today (ok mayb not Lin Dan since he has proven himself to be quite consistent in the past few months. or chen jin sine we all know conspiracies lurks but i digress). Mew Choo had to struggle b4 advancing to the 2nd round. I think food poisoning is quite a reasonable cause for his defeat.

as to how could LCW beat Chen Long with ease in the 1st game at all, none of us witnessed the game and cannot really comment on it. There are too many reasonable possibilities out there. LCW could have found weaknesses of Chen Long in the 1st few points and took full advantage of it and won it with ease, despite being poisoned and all. Chen Long earned most of his 7 points b4 the interval and his coach might have had the chance to tip his player. Chen Long and his coach might have worked up some strategies and got his weaknesses covered for the 2nd and the deciding game while LCW could not up his game any further due to the poison.

Well this is simply a reasonable conjecture of what might have happened but I do not want to discredit Chen Long for his amazing win. He won and that is that. Gongratulations! I have always liked and thot highly of this lad even b4 this victory :cool:

But I will not dismiss any possibilities that an outside force tipped the balance of the game in favor to the chinese. A win is a win, no doubt about it. Winning by exploiting opponents' weaknesses in complimentary to his own skills and clever shots is a glorious win. But we can, too, spare some mercy on LCW's defeat by maybe believing in his statement. He told the press that he was food poisoned and I believe him. I cannot think of a reason why he would want to lie tho...? All sportmen's interview post matches are credible arent they, they are certainly bound by certain principles of sportmenship. Or whats the point interviewing them? I believe that LCW is a humble player who is not afraid to admit his defeat if Chen Long beat him fair and square, i dont see the reason to lie here. Just my thot here

Wei T. Chong, KBeng Khan

who is these player????:confused:...

p/s - cooler, You seemed excited enough. The number of posts in this thread should be a record, feel free to add on.

Can we drop this? Differences mean differences. No one's right or wrong.

lol, what i can say.....

India Open is sponsored by Yonex Sunrise and Yonex Sunrise ( Singapore) has the exclusive markets in Asia except Korea,China and Taiwan which Yonex Japan controls directly...since LCW and TH get the most money from Yonex Sunrise..they are bound to play this tournaments and also for TV 's rights as well..

As a matter of fact, LCW should have joined Gade,Sony to play exhibition in Vanouver next week..Sony and LCW pulled out last minute and replced by TH and Andre Kurniawan..

Can you or someone else tell me how many Sunrise tournaments there is & how many he has to play in. If he has to play this tournament due to contract, then he needs to seek advice, the contract is too onerous.


It will be interesting to see whether Chen Long fares well in this tournament.
I don't see how this is relevant. If he loses next round or wins it makes no differenc to this discussion IMO

i could not agree with this as obviously as we all know, lee chong wei himself already spoke that he and some of the players in the mas camp have some food poisoning before the 1st round and not feeling well starting from morning. this interview came from chong wei himself to make things clearer:cool:

“We have been having our meals at the hotel for the past few days. But I was getting bored with it and we went out for food,” he said in a telephone interview.
“I started to feel weak this morning. I started the match well but I was not in a good condition. I could have beaten him under normal circumstances but this was just one of those days. It was the first time that I have experienced this.”


So, we just can't simply say that chong wei underestimate chen long. yesterday was not just his day.:(
Just imagine if you are chong wei in this situation.;):rolleyes:

1.I looked at the results of D1 and the only other MAS players who lost lost to far superior players or to their teamate - Was he the only one affected therfore?

2.How long had they been staying on the hotel - bored of the food so quickly, and how different can outside food be? If this is the case then I hope they don't have the same hotel in August......

3.LCW is making an excuse in the last comment.

Pjswift: We will have to disagree (again!:D) I am afraid. CJ may have quit games against CHN players, but he would play until he was on one leg against other players......Is LD a quitter, is TH a quitter, Is LCW a quitter not to fight more against CL? The confidence thing is a debateable point, I would say it is lack of confidence as he feels he needs to enter the tournaments to get practice - if he is bored with a hotel a confident person would simply say I go home and train then come out when I want to play (Like Me).......Others may say LD lacks confidence as he is scared to enter tournaments in case he loses (Like you)

Every player has a manual of playing LCW, LD, BCL, TH, PG they have been around for years, everyone knows how they play. Yes CHN want to beat LCW, but they want to be IND, INA, ENG, DEN players just as much. Do you think MAS coaching staff DONT have "manual" on LD, BCL, PG, TH??

Overall like I said originally he lost because CL was the better player on the day. I am dissapointed LCW has now made the excuse as well as giving the reason for his loss. IMO he misunderestimated him, even an unwell LCW should be beating CL....

who is these player????:confused:...



http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=72F1F101-544B-4C1F-B8BE-11BB3296ADE8&player=20

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=72F1F101-544B-4C1F-B8BE-11BB3296ADE8&player=31
i'm no bolehians so my spelling wasn't 100% but bolehians should recognized them tho.

however, can u explain why practically almost all other MAS players advanced and not lcw instead of picking me on mistyped couple of MAS player names?

Can you or someone else tell me how many Sunrise tournaments there is & how many he has to play in. If he has to play this tournament due to contract, then he needs to seek advice, the contract is too onerous.


Overall like I said originally he lost because CL was the better player on the day. I am dissapointed LCW has now made the excuse as well as giving the reason for his loss. IMO he misunderestimated him, even an unwell LCW should be beating CL....
I believe that Yonex Sunrise sponsors Macau,Hongkong SS,India and new MAS GP....( AE,,Taiwan or Japan Open are sponsored either by Yonex Japan or Yonex Europe)
I do not know LCW's contract but like TH, he has to perform at least 8 SS and one or two tournaments as requested...for example like last SS Final where TH had pulled out but been asked to join back as LD/BCL or CJ did not participate....somehow they need big name for small tounaments to get more TV's right...
If they miss 1 SS or play less than tournaments as they have agreed, it may cost the player US$ 10000 at least...

lol, what i can say.....
Add on the posts, you are welcomed. Should be drop or not, we'll check it later.
First, yes. You may post.

I believe that Yonex Sunrise sponsors Macau,Hongkong SS,India and new MAS GP....( AE,,Taiwan or Japan Open are sponsored either by Yonex Japan or Yonex Europe)
I do not know LCW's contract but like TH, he has to perform at least 8 SS and one or two tournaments as requested...for example like last SS Final where TH had pulled out but been asked to join back as LD/BCL or CJ did not participate....somehow they need big name for small tounaments to get more TV's right...
If they miss 1 SS or play less than tournaments as they have agreed, it may cost the player US$ 10000 at least...

It is a sad state of affairs when Sponsors rule the player...unfortunately if they lose Yonex sponsorship the $$$ will be less.

I guess CHN didn't fulfil their obligations in missing so many tournaments?

I don't see how this is relevant. If he loses next round or wins it makes no differenc to this discussion IMO


We had a chance to see a newbie who had just beat a WR1 in a tournament.
Sure his journey is worth to be followed.
He played good in yesterday match, so , let's see what he can do next.

Yeah..I hope Tsuen Seng is capable, but Chen Long is no longer an ordinary newbie in this tournament.

It is a sad state of affairs when Sponsors rule the player...unfortunately if they lose Yonex sponsorship the $$$ will be less.

I guess CHN didn't fulfil their obligations in missing so many tournaments?
well..of course not..same thing for INA or CHN....it is collective sponsorship but CHN deals with Yonex Japan direct , the rest of Asia deal with Yonex Sunrise ( except CHN,KOR or Taiwan) ..and again, like TH, he has a separate deal with Yonex also..thats why he has certain commitments with Yonex Sunrise....
Like Tennis players, the fine is much bigger too like over US$ 100K if player like Serena did not commit the tournaments she signed unless she is injured or something...

Look at Candra Wijaya,also he has to play at this tournaments...;) same as HendfraAG/Alvent.

It is a sad state of affairs when Sponsors rule the player...unfortunately if they lose Yonex sponsorship the $$$ will be less.

I guess CHN didn't fulfil their obligations in missing so many tournaments?
hmm, i remember hearing that quitting pbsi is the best thing TH did for himself, he can earn more money and have better control of his career. i guess they forgot the 'work to earn' part, and his new boss, the sponsors, are even more overseeing.

hmm, i remember hearing that quitting pbsi is the best thing TH did for himself, he can earn more money and have better control of his career. i guess they forgot the 'work to earn' part.

Going off topic here, but I guess this means that the National associations are bending to the will of the companies unneccessarily?

We had a chance to see a newbie who had just beat a WR1 in a tournament.
Sure his journey is worth to be followed.
He played good in yesterday match, so , let's see what he can do next.

Yeah..I hope Tsuen Seng is capable, but Chen Long is no longer an ordinary newbie in this tournament.

Relevant to the Future perhaps, but not to LCW's loss.

Going off topic here, but I guess this means that the National associations are bending to the will of the companies unneccessarily?
i don't think so. PBSI can drop yonex if they wish when they can find a better sponsor. The china team did. Li Ning even allow CHN players to use yonex product in 09 AE. Also, from the latest photo, some chinese players still wearing yonex shoes.

Going off topic here, but I guess this means that the National associations are bending to the will of the companies unneccessarily?
I believe so..look at Japan Open, now you understand why all players ( sponsored by Yonex) have to be there...of course CHN will send theirplayers this year to Japan Open but not obligated as much as before since CHN is sponsored by Li Ning now...

We had a chance to see a newbie who had just beat a WR1 in a tournament.
Sure his journey is worth to be followed.
He played good in yesterday match, so , let's see what he can do next.

Yeah..I hope Tsuen Seng is capable, but Chen Long is no longer an ordinary newbie in this tournament.CL is still unseeded in this IO. If u say it was CL's first time to beat a WR #1, then yes, u r right, he is a newbie in this regard as only a few MS i know can beat the WR#1

however, can u explain why practically almost all other MAS players advanced and not lcw instead of picking me on mistyped couple of MAS player names?

who am i and how can i explain????:eek:
i am not lcw
i am not cl
i am not umpire of lcw vs cl
i not in india
i not in the stadium
i didnt watch the match....

so,conclusion is....how do i know?what can i know?:confused:

who am i and how can i explain????:eek:
i am not lcw
i am not cl
i am not umpire of lcw vs cl
i not in india
i not in the stadium
i didnt watch the match....

so,conclusion is....how do i know?what can i know?:confused:then i had overestimated u as a boleh fan:D:p

then i had overestimated u as a boleh fan:D:p

label me as what u like....only those that though they are clever enough will comment on something he/she haven't witness(for example:say lindan is generous when he is frustrated and disapointed when he is trailing)

i admit i am not clever....so it is ok...
when someone ACT to be clever...bcer will see how stupid he/she is...;)

label me as what u like....only those that though they are clever enough will comment on something he/she haven't witness(for example:say lindan is generous when he is frustrated and disapointed when he is trailing)

i admit i am not clever....so it is ok...
when someone ACT to be clever...bcer will see how stupid he/she is...;)
LOL, that didn't stop pjswift, xball, dr. evil, etc....

I wholeheartedly welcome other to judge.
That is why i'm not proppent on posts deletion

say lindan is generous when he is frustrated and disapointed when he is trailing


LOL, that didn't stop pjswift, xball, dr. evil, etc....


neither one of them those words....;)...so....we know....who is the one ACT clever...;)

I wholeheartedly welcome other to judge.


Is that wise to judge others' opinion, sir? It's your right to say LCW's this and that, and it's our right to keep it the other way around. Any disagreement, share your thoughts.
Can we put it as that?
Discussions in Bc will be much more enjoyable.

say lindan is generous when he is frustrated and disapointed when he is trailing;)

well, let the record speak for itself.

LD wasn't generous to LCW at 08 OG MSF
LD let lcw earn more points in 09 AE MSF
LD gave LCW the swiss open MS title.

see the generosity???

Is that wise to judge others' opinion, sir? It's your right to say LCW's this and that, and it's our right to keep it the other way around.
Can we leave it at that?
Discussions in Bc will be much more enjoyable.
u r just supporting what i have said.
i am not pro posts deletion = anyone can say what they wish, is this equation clear enough? it is quite kindergarten math.

well, let the record speak for itself.

LD wasn't generous to LCW at 08 OG MSF
LD let lcw earn more points in 09 AE MSF
LD GAVE LCW the swiss open MS title.

see the generosity???

keep saying that...as more as u want...the more u say...the more the people know how clever u are...:)...

keep saying that...as more as u want...the more u say...the more the people know how clever u are...:)...
i am and therefore it is:p lol

u r just supporting what i have said.
i am not pro posts deletion = anyone can say what they wish, is this equation clear enough? it is quite kindergarten math.
Recognize the limitation. We should be able to have arguments, not disputes.
Delete the post if it's offensive. if not, keep it.
I stand corrected to whatever i am saying.

btw, is that wrong to support your opinion if i found myself to agree with it?
I disagree before not because you are cooler, you know?

Recognize the limitation. We should be able to have arguments, not disputes.
Delete the post if it's offensive. if not, keep it.
I stand corrected to whatever i am saying.

btw, is that wrong to support your opinion if i found myself to agree with it?
I disagree before not because you are cooler, you know?i'm glad u like talking to yourself. See, i ain't stopping ya either:)
(unless u start dating pemuda, i might be more careful here)


i'm having a fun day today. Here i am debating about badminton stuff and then i flip screen and go at it with my work colleages on MS Outlook lol.

cooler, well, i don't like it to be endless again, i'll straight forwardly saying, give cooperation.

lemme say, even if i'm dating him, he won't go backing me up merely because of that.
You should know him better than anyone else here.

cooler, well, i don't like it to be endless again, i'll straight forwardly saying, give cooperation.

lemme say, even if i'm dating him, he won't go backing me up merely because of that.
You should know him better than anyone else here.
sorry, i haven't dated pemuda before...:D Wouldn't know:p

Chong Wei had paid the price for the lesson of being bored with the hotel food. Whatever he said is not going to help him to justify his lost to Chen Long since people already made the conclusion that he "underestimate" CL, giving excuses, Chen Long is simply better player that day, etc. Players have good days and bad days and it is unfortunate for CW to be unwell during the match. People can criticize all they want but i believe action speaks louder than word.

Well, another reason could be a conspiracy theory which i shall not mention here as it's controversial. So, look for the consistency of the player's performance base on their meetings. CL had beaten CW once on his bad day and if can beat him on his good days, than we can say CL is in par with the world top players. Having said that, i think credit should be given to CL and he is definitely one of the players to watch in the future.

Firstly remember to talk about the subject not about each other.....this quickly falls into animosity.....



i don't think so. PBSI can drop yonex if they wish when they can find a better sponsor. The china team did. Li Ning even allow CHN players to use yonex product in 09 AE. Also, from the latest photo, some chinese players still wearing yonex shoes.

I believe so..look at Japan Open, now you understand why all players ( sponsored by Yonex) have to be there...of course CHN will send theirplayers this year to Japan Open but not obligated as much as before since CHN is sponsored by Li Ning now...
LOL - Who is right?!!:confused::confused: Cooler - The China move could be a key change, they have freed up more money for yonex to offer to other indepedents thus moving towards a more professional sport. http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22956 Post #8 by myself in 2005 I think we needed a rival to give competition to Yonex, Maybe we are now getting this in sponsorship terms? And if PBSI can drop malaysia and choose the tournaments they want to play in 100% why don't they? Do they like being dictated to by Yonex??

Huangkwokhau - I hope so, for badminton's sake
who am i and how can i explain????:eek:
i am not lcw
i am not cl
i am not umpire of lcw vs cl
i not in india
i not in the stadium
i didnt watch the match....

so,conclusion is....how do i know?what can i know?:confused:

LOL:D:D

those tennis players have their own manager that will take care of everything except play tennis. will take precaution of food poisoning too. if it still happen, cant blame them so much. but in this case, LCW took the risk of food poisoning. why he takes that kind of risk?

You should ask, the other players who ate together with him, also took the risk - since they also eat the food outside hotel ? And yes, they won their matches, LCW lost in R1, some of our back up also lost in 1st day but since they're lower ranked, we dont think much of it.

And some people, eating at the same table, same food also, from renowned restaurant also, 1 person can get food poisoning, other people are fine, then how to explain? All these from personal experiences, though I'm not the unfortunate victim, the victim, so happen is often the one that normally careful about where they eat out & very clean one. We joke & say our stomach too trained with all the germs, so not effected (eagle stomach very well trained in stall food - not rich mah).
Meaning : the careful ppl kena. You can believe or say I just simply make up the story ;)

And of course, as already discussed, mean LCW must be sooo strong, sick also must win :D.

..i guess we can cautiously conclude, whoever survives any sort of food poisoning in the upcoming WC, he or she will most likely win the title..:cool:

Overall like I said originally he lost because CL was the better player on the day. I am dissapointed LCW has now made the excuse as well as giving the reason for his loss. IMO he misunderestimated him, even an unwell LCW should be beating CL....
i've heard that a chess world champion never won a match against a 'well and fit' opponent, always excuses, excuses. how difficult it is to say i'm worng or i was rubbish today? well, ask mr brown.

awhhhh, how come you won't let LD help develop him too:confused::crying:
LOL

Sure, LD has the best skill in the world, but I dont think LYB will allow him to do so, LD has to obey what LYB said right..? ;)

LOL - Who is right?!!:confused::confused: Cooler - The China move could be a key change, they have freed up more money for yonex to offer to other indepedents thus moving towards a more professional sport. http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22956 Post #8 by myself in 2005 I think we needed a rival to give competition to Yonex, Maybe we are now getting this in sponsorship terms? And if PBSI can drop malaysia and choose the tournaments they want to play in 100% why don't they? Do they like being dictated to by Yonex??

No doubt it's a key change, for LN, china team and yonex. I do however, feel that this was a blow to yonex, and a coup for LN. No way did yonex let LN take their china account for the sake of 'improving badminton popularity'. LN won because they can sponsors the top players at 'bulk discount' price since most of the best players are in the china team and LN is also a chinese company, lots of synergy to milk off that yonex can't.. What yonex got are more money for the sunset pros like TH, PG. Good for them but is it really better for yonex? Sure yonex now have more money to put into emerging countries like EU, north/south america,africa, india if they wish to but as a business maybe not so good. It's like yonex fund the R&D and biggies like nike, LN, or wilson come in afterward to scoop up the fruit bearing tree. Krisna i'm sure thinks like this too:p


btw, shouldnt this be in a different thread:confused::D

that's the above post posted by you earlier, just because CL won the match today, that does not mean that he's the better shuttler.
example if Brazil vs France the score ended france won 1-0 based on the offside goal,and brazil played all those wonderful passing and samba skills, does that mean that France is the better team that day?
imo, we cannot judge whether the player is better or not just based on the scores, unless u got the chance to see the match:cool:

Wow! I was away for work in Singapore for 2 days and this thread exploded.

Anyway, back to you ...

Please read my posting again. I did not say CL is a better shuttler than LCW. I said CL beat LCW because he was a better shuttler on that day.

As per your football Brazil v France with France winning 1-0 based on 'an offside goal' thingy ... are you implying that CL beat LCW illegally??

As for em' Brazillian's samba and passing skills, if you have played an organised sport before, you will know one thing, the decision of the match official is final. In football, you can do them Hollywood passes, flicks, fancy footwork all day long but if you cant put that ball into the net, you dont win. Its very simple. This is what football is about, not a circus - if you like watching ball skills and tricks.

we can brand him the better shuttler that day because we all actually did have a chance to watch the whole match, and that's the fact and the PROOF that he actually are a better shuttler that day;)

Based on your theory then, most of us here will say Rudy Hartono is not a badminton legend because most of us did not have a chance to watch him play before and thus have no 'PROOF' how great Rudy was :o

And I believe most of us here have never watched Pele or George Best in action before. On your theory, we cant say they were legends since we got no 'PROOF' :o

Misundestand of your post a bit.Now fully understand.....kakaka
NICELY DONE,cheers to you......LCW still boleh right?

This is so hilarious; http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1129443&postcount=96

You like talking and praising yourself, eh?? :o:o

Translation please or it will be deleted............


Captain,

Those are lyrics to a Malaysian song, Hijau written by Zainal in Bahasa Malaysia. Am sorry, there is no cover version of Hijau in English just like U2's Pride, you wont find a Bahasa or Tamil version for it.

Captain,

Those are lyrics to a Malaysian song, Hijau written by Zainal in Bahasa Malaysia. Am sorry, there is no cover version of Hijau in English just like U2's Pride, you wont find a Bahasa or Tamil version for it.
a simple translation of what it means will be adequate.
thanks.

Let's face it, it's tough being Lee Chong Wei. As an INA fan, I really do symphatize his plight. No matter what this guy do, winning or losing, it doesn't matter anymore if he has no major titles to show for because the critics (oh we do have plenty here) just simply won't be convinced. He will forever be haunted by his lack of mental toughness etc etc.

Yes, it does no matter how many more Super Series titles he's going to win in the future. Not even how many more times he beat Lin Dan. If he does beat Lin Dan occassionally , his critics will say that Lin Dan has won all the major titles and nearly all of the SS titles, so, one or two victories for Lee Chong Wei per year do not really matter :)

It will be worse if Lee Chong Wei did lose. Almost instantenously, he will get condemned, just like yesterday's loss ;)

You are right. It is not easy being LCW. Life is hard, tough and unfair. Got a Datuk title and a life pension for a few titles as compared to Eddy Choong, Tan Aik Huang & co. I agree it is a hard life walking around with a Datuk title and a comfy pension for life.

Compare LCW to those working under the sun i.e. padi farmers, labourers, rubber tappers ... life is so so so much harder for LCW.

Compare LCW with those recently laid off, unemployed and homeless ... LCW is having a harder time.

Walk into any hospitals ICU ward, LCW's life is so much unfair and tough as compared to the patients there.

a simple translation of what it means will be adequate.
thanks.

Ok Boss aka friend, I will translate it myself later today.

Ok Boss aka friend, I will translate it myself later today.


Thanks....................

No way did yonex let LN take their china account for the sake of 'improving badminton popularity'

Of course not....I meant that because LN got this deal it will be good for badminton.


btw, shouldnt this be in a different thread:confused::D

Yes I will be moving them soon:crying:

Sorry guys n gals, I was away for 2 days and kinda lost track with this LCW's defeat saga.

First I heard, LCW said he had something which is not right in the flight from Switzerland.

Then someone said food poisoning will kick in 2 hours after consuming whatever that was contaminated.

2 hours ... things dont kinda make sense because unless LCW teleported (Star Trek style) from the plane to the badminton stadium, the 2 hours theory is kinda flimsy at best.

Then I read LCW said he was bored with the hotel food and went out to sample some masala tosai and tomato chutney and got the food poisoning from there instead.

So, which is which la?? In flight food or restaurant food??? :o:o Or is it both?? :eek::eek: Maybe LCW got hit with a double dose of food poisoning. Poor guy.

And the best part was I read yesterday that LCW also claimed the officials in the India Open are not 'up to standards'.

For the India Open, it was 'bad luck' all the way for LCW, he was hit with the first food poisoning when he had his meals on the plane. No wonder during the 'teleportation' process, his hair was changing colour! Then when he got to his hotel, he was bored with the food there. And he got hit with the 2nd and more severe food poisoning when he consumed food at some restaurant. But LCW being a fighter and all, he played CL no matter what. He didnt want to give CL a walkover. However, the officials were 'poor in quality' and their decisions denied him some points and thus he lost.

This is a good lesson and experience for BAM and the shuttlers. BAM together with NSC and the Sports Ministry ought to hire an expensive foreign consultant firm to conduct trainings and seminars for our shuttlers teaching them the the dos and donts while travelling and eating in foreign countries, espeically countries like India, Cambodia etc etc. Or they can engage my 15 year old cousin brother who went to India for a holiday with his parents two years ago. The boy was very careful with what he ate and drank there.