2009 India Open: Day 6 (Finals) Sunday March 29

[X Ball]

Really:eek: I thought Indian should be better since it is their national language.

English is the national language of India ? Are u sure ?

[jasonmarc]

Did Hafiz put up a good fight though?

Not in 1st game...................:mad:......typical HH style...:D:D

[SibugiChai]

Really:eek: I thought Indian should be better since it is their national language.

India national language is Hindi but most Indian know speaking english..

Like in the slumdog millionaire..

[SHLAU]

English is the national language of India ? Are u sure ?

Not sure actually:p

[limsy]

hafiz will be wr 23 this thursday...

[phaarix]

He did. But he is still very inconsistent in play.


yes when he attacking...only twice i saw in this match...hh attack and th manage to counter it back...

no when he commiting mistake...more than 12 points of th gifted by hh by sending long....
more than 5 points sending wide...
more than 5 points sending to the net...;)

Oh well, I'm glad he did his best (effort). Shame about the mistakes though. I would have been disappointed if he'd completely embarrassed himself after all his hard work to get here, but it looks like he didn't, so that's good :).

Annoyed I couldn't see it live though...

[jasonmarc]

Congrat Taufik...! But I was little disappointed, cos he only played 20% of his best.

TH dont need to play more than that......when against a 80% HH.......

[SibugiChai]

hafiz will be wr 23 this thursday...

Hope He stop slum.... UMNO need him!

[X Ball]

Not sure actually:p


I think their national language is Inglish:D (joking)

[eaglehelang]

So far, all matches won by those higher ranked/seeded players/pairs.

[abedeng]

Good banter between IND and INA supporters beside me. Reminds me of Stadium Negara during the '88 and '92 Thomas Cup Finals.

Yup, Malaysian supporters then were just like that.

[picachu01]

Congratulation! Taufick and Indonesia badminton!

[abedeng]

Flandy fires to Diju's thigh.

[abedeng]

IND defence to the body needs work.

[abedeng]

Gutta lands a winner as Flandy is exposed.

[abedeng]

Vita forced back on the defensive.

[abedeng]

Flandy fires a broadside to Gutta's body.

INA lead by 5 at the break.

[badMania]

Flandy/Vita have a good start as they lead 11-6 at the interval fo the first set.

[abedeng]

Perfect crosscourt reply from Flandy.

[abedeng]

IND off position but Vita cannot capitalize.

Great INA channel attack.

[abedeng]

Vita's placement doesn't clear the net.

[abedeng]

Jwala Gutta is not in the right frame of mind.

Flandy moves forward for the kill.

[badMania]

Flandy/Vita take the first set 21-14. Come on!!!

[abedeng]

INA takes game 1 21-14. Their IND opponents are confused and Gutta's play is patchy.

[abedeng]

Gutta stands her ground at the net.

[abedeng]

INA's diagonal attack are paying dividents.

Gutta can't stop sending the shuttle wide.

[badMania]

As expected, the IND pair regroups and now leads 11-10 at the interval! Come on Flandy/Vita!

[robin7]

Vita is making all the errors...

[suetyan]

congratulation to Limpele & Marrisa :) Between, is Gutta using Arc9? hehe

[badMania]

YES! INA takes home two titles after Flandy Limpele/Vita Marissa beat V. Diju/Jwalla Gutta 21-14, 21-17. Flandy/Vita were trailing 14-17 before they won 7 pts in a row to seal the match!

INA fans should be happy this week as we are the big winners :D MAS also wins a title through Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah, while CHN and FRA also win a title each from Ma Jin/Wang Xiaoli and Pi Hongyan.

My predictions are 5 out of 5 :D

[abedeng]

Diju/Gutta tried to finish off game 2 too fast. Flandy/Vita are too smart for that.

[abedeng]

Flandy's courtcraft and diagonal placement was key to the victory. Gutta wasn't able to adjust her defence to cover her from Flandy's attacks.

[abedeng]

Ok, time to have dinner, and wait at the airport for another 7 hours for my flight home.

[jutawin]

INA take 2 titles home as predicted before..

[hcyong]

English is the national language of India ? Are u sure ?

India has two official languages: English and Hindi.
India has many, many languages so English is needed as a unifying language.

[pjswift]

Was I wrong on both counts.
I feel sorry for Spore MD who missed out on their first title.They didn't even stand a chance as MAS uncles snowwashed them.CTF/LWW were too good today and I'm happy for them if this title seals their selection to play in WC. Meantime, Hendra/Hendri can be proud of their performance here as independents.Learn from the experience and keep working and trying.
I was hoping HH would win but he did not disappoint in making TH work.I must say I have never seen TH so hungry or so intense he tried to keep his emotions in check.To see His Majesty fight for a title that's not even major is to know that badminton fans will have great matches in store for quite a while.
As for HH,Gopichand certainly thinks highly of him.He commented that if HH improves his fitness by 20%,he will be on a competitive level with LCW, LD and TH.
Gopichand,on his end,is working on young talents like Saina and Gurusawat? to re-ignite India's occasional past glory in badminton.That's more great news.

[Krisna]

Mixed Doubles FINAL
Flandy Limpele/Vita Marissa [3] vs V. Diju/Jwalla Gutta [2]

Men's Doubles FINAL
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah [1] vs Hendri Kurniawan Saputra/Hendra Wijaya

Women's Doubles FINAL
Vita Marissa/Nadya Melati vs Ma Jin/Wang Xiaoli

Men's Singles FINAL
Mohd Hafiz Hashim [10] vs Taufik Hidayat [2]

Women's Singles FINAL
Pi Hongyan [1] vs Julia Wong Pei Xian [5]



Prediction:

MS :Taufik will get his first title in 2009.

WS: Pi HY will win .

MD : Choong/Lee will win

WD: Ma/Wang will win. If only Vita pair with Jo, they will have a chance.

XD: Flandi/Vita will surely win.

You guys are spot on!!! :cool::cool::cool:

[Oldhand]

Was I wrong on both counts.
I feel sorry for Spore MD who missed out on their first title.They didn't even stand a chance as MAS uncles snowwashed them.CTF/LWW were too good today and I'm happy for them if this title seals their selection to play in WC. Meantime, Hendra/Hendri can be proud of their performance here as independents.Learn from the experience and keep working and trying.
I was hoping HH would win but he did not disappoint in making TH work.I must say I have never seen TH so hungry or so intense he tried to keep his emotions in check.To see His Majesty fight for a title that's not even major is to know that badminton fans will have great matches in store for quite a while.
As for HH,Gopichand certainly thinks highly of him.He commented that if HH improves his fitness by 20%,he will be on a competitive level with LCW, LD and TH.
Gopichand,on his end,is working on young talents like Saina and Gurusawat? to re-ignite India's occasional past glory in badminton.That's more great news.
The name is R M V Gurusaidutt.
It's read as Guru-Sai-Dutt :)

[huangkwokhau]

The name is R M V Gurusaidutt.
It's read as Guru-Sai-Dutt :)
:D:D..thanks GOD..it is not..GURU-Gen-Dutt....:D ( Gendut means FAT)

[Oldhand]

India has two official languages: English and Hindi.
India has many, many languages so English is needed as a unifying language.
This needs to be clarified.

India's 'Official Union Language' is Hindi.
English is the 'Official Alternative'.

However, this applies only to India's central (federal) administration.
(There are exceptions - for instance, the Supreme Court of India hears and decides legal disputes only in English).

Move away from the centre... and things get a bit complicated.

India's Constitution recognizes 22 National Languages.
This means that you could write to the federal government in any of these 22 languages - and the communication would be deemed valid and acted upon :)

Also, every state is free to decide what its official language should be.
After all, some of these states have nearly 100 million people - and that's more speakers for a 'regional' language like Bengali than the number of people who have French as their first language!

Hindi is spoken mostly in northern India.
Many south Indians understand Hindi but don't converse in it.

Hindi is NOT (and has never been) a unifying language ;)
In fact, it has proved to be divisive, more than anything else.

It has created (with political help) sharp linguistic divisions across India.
For instance, Hindi is unofficially taboo in Tamil Nadu.
In Chennai, the state's capital, all signboards must include Tamil.
All TV shows must be dubbed in Tamil.
Hindi broadcasts are simply not allowed.

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PS: Apologies for the long post... but a correction was due :)

[Oldhand]

Flandy's courtcraft and diagonal placement was key to the victory. Gutta wasn't able to adjust her defence to cover her from Flandy's attacks.
The Indian pair looked amateurish when facing Flandy.
The man has aged... but his skills have remained young! :p

[chris-ccc]

Ok, time to have dinner, and wait at the airport for another 7 hours for my flight home.



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abedeng ... You have a good flight home.
And thank you for posting reports for us from court-side. :):):)
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[chris-ccc]

I was hoping HH would win but he did not disappoint in making TH work.I must say I have never seen TH so hungry or so intense he tried to keep his emotions in check.To see His Majesty fight for a title that's not even major is to know that badminton fans will have great matches in store for quite a while.

As for HH,Gopichand certainly thinks highly of him.He commented that if HH improves his fitness by 20%,he will be on a competitive level with LCW, LD and TH.



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IMHO, both TH and HH are great players. But they have to work harder, not only in their fitness, but also in their mental. Sometimes, we see them playing matches without urgency to finish off their opponents. And because of this, their opponents often regained confidence to come back to defeat them. :(:(:(

Anyway, it's great that both of them managed to arrive at this 2009 India Open Finals.
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[avataar]

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What has happened to Avataar? :p:p:p
I thought he would be there early... to support the IND pair.



good for me that the XD was rescheduled to the last match. thought Jwala/Diju got too carried away and rushed to finish the 2nd game. a very big mistake against a pair of the caliber of Flandy/Marissa

[avataar]

Have returned from seeing off abedeng at the bus station for his trip to the airport. It was great fun to share the excitement of the IO'09 with him.

we had a great discussion on the "drift issue" at the venue and walked around the courts after the show had ended. our search for a gooud restaurant to lead us to a good location(near cyber towers) which will be the target spot & recommendation of adebeng as a lead up to the worlds in aug.

dinner was eventually at pizza hut and a chat on what interesting changes can be bought to the format of the game was central amongst banter about a lot of other topics.

abedeng, once again hope you enjoyed your short trip

[chris-ccc]

The Indian pair looked amateurish when facing Flandy.



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The Indian pair performed well this year. Last year; I think they were eliminated in Round 1.
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[chris-ccc]

Have returned from seeing off abedeng at the bus station for his trip to the airport. It was great fun to share the excitement of the IO'09 with him.



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Looking forward again to hear from both avataar and abedeng at the WC 2009 in August.

:):):)
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[hcpoirot]

I got all my prediction right in the final round. But it not hard to predict the final result cause only few strong players enter this tournament. And the only biggest suprise was LCW lost in first round.

About Chen Long, not very consistence yet but had some talent and very tall. Got good prospect in future if he can fulfill his talent.

[chris-ccc]

About Chen Long, not very consistence yet but had some talent and very tall. Got good prospect in future if he can fulfill his talent.



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Chen Long is only just coming out to participate as part of senior CHN team.
Just give him a year or two ... and he would get into the World TOP 10.

This is just my prediction. :):):)
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[Seasider]

Very impressive !!! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
You must be very good in History/Geography/Cultural studies :)



This needs to be clarified.

India's 'Official Union Language' is Hindi.
English is the 'Official Alternative'.

However, this applies only to India's central (federal) administration.
(There are exceptions - for instance, the Supreme Court of India hears and decides legal disputes only in English).

Move away from the centre... and things get a bit complicated.

India's Constitution recognizes 22 National Languages.
This means that you could write to the federal government in any of these 22 languages - and the communication would be deemed valid and acted upon :)

Also, every state is free to decide what its official language should be.
After all, some of these states have nearly 100 million people - and that's more speakers for a 'regional' language like Bengali than the number of people who have French as their first language!

Hindi is spoken mostly in northern India.
Many south Indians understand Hindi but don't converse in it.

Hindi is NOT (and has never been) a unifying language ;)
In fact, it has proved to be divisive, more than anything else.

It has created (with political help) sharp linguistic divisions across India.
For instance, Hindi is unofficially taboo in Tamil Nadu.
In Chennai, the state's capital, all signboards must include Tamil.
All TV shows must be dubbed in Tamil.
Hindi broadcasts are simply not allowed.

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PS: Apologies for the long post... but a correction was due :)

[limsy]

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Chen Long is only just coming out to participate as part of senior CHN team.
Just give him a year or two ... and he would get into the World TOP 10.

This is just my prediction. :):):)
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haha....sure...we will see...soon....in bac/abc....;)....

[ye333]

It would be a disaster if China's No. 1 youngster cannot get into top 10 when he's around 22,23... ;)


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Chen Long is only just coming out to participate as part of senior CHN team.
Just give him a year or two ... and he would get into the World TOP 10.

This is just my prediction. :):):)
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[kwun]

i have to say that this is one of the most uninspiring finals i have watched. it was painful to watch HH just kinda yoyo all over the court, laziness + flashes of brilliance doesn't win a tournament.

[Oldhand]

Very impressive !!! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
You must be very good in History/Geography/Cultural studies :)
Um, I travel quite a bit.
That helps as well :p

[Oldhand]

i have to say that this is one of the most uninspiring finals i have watched. it was painful to watch HH just kinda yoyo all over the court, laziness + flashes of brilliance doesn't win a tournament.
The MS Final was: 'Mr Lazy meets Mr Lazier' :D

[badMania]

Count Taufik Hidayat lucky for:
1. Not meeting Lee Chong Wei in the Final (as widely anticipated)
2. Not meeting the rising star Chen Long in the Final (the guy got beaten by Yoyo Hafiz).
3. Winning the match against Kuan Beng Hong which basically guaranteed his title in Hyderabad this week.

I was also right in saying that Taufik will have a better chance against Hafiz as compared to Chen Long. Thanks Yoyo :D

[badMania]

It's unbelieavable also that Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah demolished the SIN pair in such quick fashion :eek: They must be really eager to add the India Open title to their trophy cabinet. Congrats!!! I am happy for the now independent veterans.

So, up next for them is perhaps a Super Series title in Singapore?

[BennettWong]

The MS Final was: 'Mr Lazy meets Mr Lazier' :D
ROFLMAO!!!!:D:D:D

[limsy]

It's unbelieavable also that Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah demolished the SIN pair in such quick fashion :eek: They must be really eager to add the India Open title to their trophy cabinet. Congrats!!! I am happy for the now independent veterans.

So, up next for them is perhaps a Super Series title in Singapore?

16 minutes match duration...and dont forget....thats include interval and between set break...:p

[badMania]

16 minutes match duration...and dont forget....thats include interval and between set break...:p

that will take up at least 4-5 mins. So, only at most 12 mins of matches. Indeed one of the fastest Final ever :eek: As I said in my prediction, Choong/Lee will want to get rid of their "best no 2" tag courtesy of their numerous runner-up positions including the All-England.

[limsy]

that will take up at least 4-5 mins. So, only at most 12 mins of matches. Indeed one of the fastest Final ever :eek: As I said in my prediction, Choong/Lee will want to get rid of their "best no 2" tag courtesy of their numerous runner-up positions including the All-England.

yes...and 1st set just used 4 minutes(exclude interval time)...2nd set used 8 minutes(exclude interval time and between set break)...second set a bit slower when mas pair do more mistake....75% of sg points come from mas error....imagine tat....:)...one bcer complain when she/he went to made teh/coffee(not sure..hehe)after 1st set....when he/she done...the match already finish...:p...

[BennettWong]

yes...and 1st set just used 4 minutes(exclude interval time)...2nd set used 8 minutes(exclude interval time and between set break)...second set a bit slower when mas pair do more mistake....75% of sg points come from mas error....imagine tat....:)...one bcer complain when she/he went to made teh/coffee(not sure..hehe)after 1st set....when he/she done...the match already finish...:p...
HA HA HA HA :D:D:D

[jasonmarc]

The MS Final was: 'Mr Lazy meets Mr Lazier' :D

And HH became the Laziest.......:mad:...:D

To win when played a laziest player.......u dont have to be hard working....

Thats our Mr. Yo-Yo, his typical uninspiring style of play...:(:(:(

[jasonmarc]

yes...and 1st set just used 4 minutes(exclude interval time)...2nd set used 8 minutes(exclude interval time and between set break)...second set a bit slower when mas pair do more mistake....75% of sg points come from mas error....imagine tat....:)...one bcer complain when she/he went to made teh/coffee(not sure..hehe)after 1st set....when he/she done...the match already finish...:p...

Remember, AE MS Final.....LD gave away 8 out of 9 points LCW gained thru his own errors........:(

That She...was Eagle...i think...!:D

[Loh]

Um, I travel quite a bit.
That helps as well :p

He is best at badminton! :D

[Loh]

It's unbelieavable also that Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah demolished the SIN pair in such quick fashion :eek: They must be really eager to add the India Open title to their trophy cabinet. Congrats!!! I am happy for the now independent veterans.

So, up next for them is perhaps a Super Series title in Singapore?

I was surprised to see such a one-sided massacre from the 'uncles' to what has been a remarkable run for the Indonesian-born brothers. Short and sweet, sorry, should be brutal!

The 'youngsters' were not given time to settle down as the veterans whipped them time and again with their handy smashes. The massacre continued into the second round though at a less brutal manner. :D

One would have thought that the brothers would have given a much better fight since they have beaten the uncles before. But on a 'hot' night like yesterday's I presume, the uncles' form was even hotter and left the brothers still in a daze even after the match was over in maybe the quickest time of the tournament.

However, there is still hope in the brothers as they venture further into the future and play more as a team. What else can you say when they are able to defeat three MAS pairs and a strong INA pair en-route to the final? ;)

[pjswift]

The MS Final was: 'Mr Lazy meets Mr Lazier' :D
This is a perfect headline.Oldhand, you're funny.
Can you imagine when both of them get on to work? Both LCW and LD will have to work harder to win or they may lose.
There are hints that TH has started on some gym work.Look at the shoulders and fading paunch.
HH is amazing in stamina considering his bulk.If he sheds 10% of his excess luggage,his speed may increase 10% ,enough to make the difference between winning or losing a title.Keep working,HH and you'll land your first GP Gold title this year!

[limsy]

Remember, AE MS Final.....LD gave away 8 out of 9 points LCW gained thru his own errors........:(

That She...was Eagle...i think...!:D

lcw only score 1 point in ae final????:eek:...i see....:rolleyes:

nope....i forget what is her/his name....hehe.....

[pjswift]

Count Taufik Hidayat lucky for:
1. Not meeting Lee Chong Wei in the Final (as widely anticipated)
2. Not meeting the rising star Chen Long in the Final (the guy got beaten by Yoyo Hafiz).
3. Winning the match against Kuan Beng Hong which basically guaranteed his title in Hyderabad this week.

I was also right in saying that Taufik will have a better chance against Hafiz as compared to Chen Long. Thanks Yoyo :D
CL is not as fantastic as purported by his win over LCW.You should watch his match against HH.HH did not have to try too hard even to think.HH just had to remember he was playing a badminton match.
CL's win is great for him but it also means he missed out on bringing back the dream video match of the expected LCW/TH final.CHN team will just have to analyse the lazy HH/TH match instead.

[Fidget]

There are hints that TH has started on some gym work.Look at the shoulders and fading paunch.
HH is amazing in stamina considering his bulk.If he sheds 10% of his excess luggage,his speed may increase 10% ,enough to make the difference between winning or losing a title.Keep working,HH and you'll land your first GP Gold title this year!

Taufik did look quite trim.:)
Is the issue with Hafiz his weight? :confused: Or is it his will?
'If he sheds 10% of his excess luggage' he will still be a listless, unengaged player. Appearances can be deceiving, but to look at his face and his manner of play, he looks like he'd really rather be doing something else.

[kwun]

Taufik did look quite trim.:)
Is the issue with Hafiz his weight? :confused: Or is it his will?
'If he sheds 10% of his excess luggage' he will still be a listless, unengaged player. Appearances can be deceiving, but to look at his face and his manner of play, he looks like he'd really rather be doing something else.

he doesn't look any more bulky than when he won the AE. weight is never the (major) issue with HH.

[pjswift]

Taufik did look quite trim.:)
Is the issue with Hafiz his weight? :confused: Or is it his will?
'If he sheds 10% of his excess luggage' he will still be a listless, unengaged player. Appearances can be deceiving, but to look at his face and his manner of play, he looks like he'd really rather be doing something else.
HH always has this disinterested look.That's why Gopichand calls him Mr Cool.
It's scary to opponents when he can inflict damage while seemingly in a daze.Wouldn't you? His body language remains unchanged throughout.The way to tell whether HH can win or lose is his breathing.When he huffs and puffs,he's losing soon.In IO, there was no such sign.
With HH, it's the fitness that counts(so too with other MAS MS and MD).Dropping excess luggage automatically increases speed.Try running carrying a 7kg cabin luggage and running hands free.That's the experiment BAM should put all its players through.They'll get the message straight away. It's elementary physics.

[limsy]

With HH, it's the fitness that counts(so too with other MAS MS and MD).Dropping excess luggage automatically increases speed.Try running carrying a 7kg cabin luggage and running hands free.That's the experiment BAM should put all its players through.They'll get the message straight away. It's elementary physics.

i agree tat stamina WAS a problem for hafiz....but thats not problem for him anymore....
and believe me....anyone under misbun...their stamina is great....not to mention lcw....kbh alone is a tough one....

the one lack in stamina is cwf and arif....

[bananakid]

HH always has this disinterested look.That's why Gopichand calls him Mr Cool.
It's scary to opponents when he can inflict damage while seemingly in a daze.Wouldn't you? His body language remains unchanged throughout.The way to tell whether HH can win or lose is his breathing.When he huffs and puffs,he's losing soon.In IO, there was no such sign.
With HH, it's the fitness that counts(so too with other MAS MS and MD).Dropping excess luggage automatically increases speed.Try running carrying a 7kg cabin luggage and running hands free.That's the experiment BAM should put all its players through.They'll get the message straight away. It's elementary physics.


It's funny how fitness can be an issue to professional badminton athletes who are supposed to be trained for high level sport performance. No wonder why western societies look at badminton as a joke "game"... it's being played by so many little skinny/out of shape asians(even the pros) who have fitness/stamina problems even in a "game" that has NO physical contact whatsoever.

Look at all those professional football players, how many of them actually have stamina problems(if they do, they would have been replaced a long time ago)... even European badminton players at ages way over 30 don't have significant fitness problems eg. Kenneth Jonassen, he had no problems playing singles at age 34.

It is so sad that Malaysian badminton players are either having fitness problems(which no professional athlete should have, unless you are a sumo wrestler, or baseball player), or they have mental handicap as to not take precaution when eating in random places in a country like India... even a teenage would know better.:eek:

[george@chongwei]

It's unbelieavable also that Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah demolished the SIN pair in such quick fashion :eek: They must be really eager to add the India Open title to their trophy cabinet. Congrats!!! I am happy for the now independent veterans.

So, up next for them is perhaps a Super Series title in Singapore?
ah fook/ ah wah are hungry for more after i saw their action yesterday:D

[george@chongwei]

It is so sad that Malaysian badminton players are either having fitness problems(which no professional athlete should have, unless you are a sumo wrestler, or baseball player), or they have mental handicap as to not take precaution when eating in random places in a country like India... even a teenage would know better.:eek:
Do u think that its just Malaysian badminton players having those problems?:rolleyes:

[Oldhand]

This is a perfect headline.Oldhand, you're funny.
Can you imagine when both of them get on to work? Both LCW and LD will have to work harder to win or they may lose.
There are hints that TH has started on some gym work.Look at the shoulders and fading paunch.
HH is amazing in stamina considering his bulk.If he sheds 10% of his excess luggage,his speed may increase 10% ,enough to make the difference between winning or losing a title.Keep working,HH and you'll land your first GP Gold title this year!

You're spot on about Taufik's new-found fitness :)
His shoulders are broader and his waist has thinned.

Hafiz could do with more speed so that he reaches the shuttle earlier.
Right now, he is content to reach it just in time to retrieve it.

Taking the shuttle so late has two undesirable effects:

1. Hafiz is forced to lift the shuttle more often than he should - and if his opponent is one of those indefatigable smashers, Hafiz has had it (in fact, most of Tedjono's points came from either steep jumpsmashes to the sides or flatter smashes to Hafiz's body)
2. Stooping so low to take the shuttle (often as low as floor level) kills a lot of stored energy - the more times you bend forward, the faster you tire. Retrieving sharp drops eats more energy than even smashing.

It's too much to expect that Hafiz will suddenly change his ways and turn himself into a fast mover. In the same vein, it's too much to expect that he will win more titles relying on his current laid-back method.

After all, Hafiz is already on the slow bus to extinction :o

[Fidget]

...HH always has this disinterested look.That's why Gopichand calls him Mr Cool.
It's scary to opponents when he can inflict damage while seemingly in a daze.... So he's the Jeff Spicoli of badminton?:rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjFKMIqaYQQ

The guy obviously has talent. But I think Oldhand's comments are spot-on. Hafiz's need is urgency, not just speed. I wish him the best.:)

[eaglehelang]

Remember, AE MS Final.....LD gave away 8 out of 9 points LCW gained thru his own errors........:(

That She...was Eagle...i think...!:D

Nope, read again, it was a BCer watching Astro. I was outside, wasnt watching, but uncles do their job faster than me. I wasnt even halfway talking to my customer, limsy sms to say uncles already won, haha.:D:D:D

[jasonmarc]

Nope, read again, it was a BCer watching Astro. I was outside, wasnt watching, but uncles do their job faster than me. I wasnt even halfway talking to my customer, limsy sms to say uncles already won, haha.:D:D:D

Its either You talked really slow to ur customer or they play really that fast :D:D

[eaglehelang]

Its either You talked really slow to ur customer or they play really that fast :D:D

Hey, it's minimum 30 minutes & I did it in 20 min, uncles still faster at 16 min. :p:D

[kwun]

HH always has this disinterested look.That's why Gopichand calls him Mr Cool.
It's scary to opponents when he can inflict damage while seemingly in a daze.Wouldn't you? His body language remains unchanged throughout.The way to tell whether HH can win or lose is his breathing.When he huffs and puffs,he's losing soon.In IO, there was no such sign.
With HH, it's the fitness that counts(so too with other MAS MS and MD).Dropping excess luggage automatically increases speed.Try running carrying a 7kg cabin luggage and running hands free.That's the experiment BAM should put all its players through.They'll get the message straight away. It's elementary physics.

mental fitness maybe. if i recall correctly, he didn't have this dis-interested, lazy, i don't care type of attitude when he won the AE. if we see *that* HH again, he will be an exciting addition to the professional badminton circuit. before that happens, he will continued to be ridiculed.

[Loh]

Here's how the uncles demolished the Indonesian brothers from Singapore in pictures:

[koo_fan]

if i recall correctly, he didn't have this dis-interested, lazy, i don't care type of attitude when he won the AE.

And God knows what's the reason of him losing the 'desire' to win.:(

[george@chongwei]

lmao, uncle..u eventually took the pics of the md match on your tv screen?:eek::D

[Loh]

lmao, uncle..u eventually took the pics of the md match on your tv screen?:eek::D

Yes I took the pics from someone's TV and can you see CL and what he was doing? Better watch out MAS! :D

[koo_fan]

Yes I took the pics from someone's TV and can you see CL and what he was doing? Better watch out MAS! :D
now, now, is he praying or what?

[george@chongwei]

Yes I took the pics from someone's TV and can you see CL and what he was doing? Better watch out MAS! :D
i see most of the Chinese youngsters did that too yesterday:D
and yes, malaysia must be really be careful:D

[Loh]

Despite HH's advantage in height and reach, he still succumbed to TH.

And HH was embroiled in four earlier rubber matches against TH's just two.
One can say he lost because he spent too much energy but it also proved that HH's fitness must have improved! :D

I would say HH can only improve from here if he continues to be diligent in his training!

It was heartening to see how TH handled the interview in English although he requested for a repeat of a few questions. Maybe Indian English was a bit too much for him as it is for most of us. :D

[koo_fan]

i see Hafiz smiling like he's the winner la. err..it's taufik dear.

[kwun]

i see Hafiz smiling like he's the winner la. err..it's taufik dear.

he is smiling coz he will get to keep his job for another few years for one week worth of performance. :D

[Oldhand]

he is smiling coz he will get to keep his job for another few years for one week worth of performance. :D

The 'I'm-stuck-for-an-answer' moment at the 2009 India Open belonged to Choong Tan Fook when he was asked how well he and Lee Wan Wah would do at the 2009 World Championships.

Obviously, the jackass commentator had no clue as to how the BAM decides such things :D

CTF muttered just a bit about things back home and withdrew :o

[george@chongwei]

he is smiling coz he will get to keep his job for another few years for one week worth of performance. :D
i see he talking so happily with taufik after and before the match;):rolleyes:

[pjswift]

mental fitness maybe. if i recall correctly, he didn't have this dis-interested, lazy, i don't care type of attitude when he won the AE. if we see *that* HH again, he will be an exciting addition to the professional badminton circuit. before that happens, he will continued to be ridiculed.
ok,was he faster and trimmer when he won the AE?
Here's a theory(or story).
HH is a special badminton god known for humility.Even when he wins,he never hurts his opponent's feelings with some big celebratory gesture.(or maybe the residual energy at match end isn't enough to generate it?)
As you may be aware,speed triggers excitement(sometimes also vice versa) but not just any speed;it has to reach threshold speed.Threshold speed is the speed when the adrenalin surge fires up the facial nerves and lights up the face.It varies with individuals but seems to increase with age.That's why it's harder for HH to look as excited as in 2003 because speed requires energy. So HH requires more energy now to light up which is compounded further by a lower metabolism rate delaying energy conversion(compared to his younger days) thus even when he wins,he hasn't brightened up because whatever energy left isn't enough to trigger off the threshold speed.
But there's hope:sports science.As long as HH continues to work on his fitness and at the same time eat less or eat wisely so that he can wear shirts that don't jiggle,none of his energy will be wasted in burning up fat but all in generating his speed hence there's a chance his speed threshold will be reached and excitement will show up.
I believe he has jumped off from the slow bus to extinction and made a U turn to catch the express to badminton stardom. See, he must have worked so hard to stop huffing and puffing on court.Why lose what's started?All he has to do is at least maintain but why not work harder especially when the rewards are now better?Maybe we'll know better in ABC but my guess is the yoyo's not gonna disappear so soon.Maybe 6 months provided he continues slogging.

[Jagdpanther]

Anyone realised that they still used the obsolete flag of Colonial Hong Kong instead of the present, HK SAR? :confused:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1133984&postcount=339

[pjswift]

It's funny how fitness can be an issue to professional badminton athletes who are supposed to be trained for high level sport performance. No wonder why western societies look at badminton as a joke "game"... it's being played by so many little skinny/out of shape asians(even the pros) who have fitness/stamina problems even in a "game" that has NO physical contact whatsoever.

Look at all those professional football players, how many of them actually have stamina problems(if they do, they would have been replaced a long time ago)... even European badminton players at ages way over 30 don't have significant fitness problems eg. Kenneth Jonassen, he had no problems playing singles at age 34.

It is so sad that Malaysian badminton players are either having fitness problems(which no professional athlete should have, unless you are a sumo wrestler, or baseball player), or they have mental handicap as to not take precaution when eating in random places in a country like India... even a teenage would know better.:eek:
Agree.MAS players are unique.They think all they have to do is polish their skills with their eyes closed and that should help them reach WC qualifying.They don't understand without fuel,a car won't go no matter how hard you step on the accelerator.They don't know that without enough stamina,they can only show their skills perfectly for maybe 20mins.Worse,they(or their coaches) think that stamina is generated from more skills training alone!
Good thing MAS players are so ignorant(except LCW).Because when all of them understand and work on their stamina, CHN MS will be no match for them.Then LYB will have to get more creative about arranging discounts for CHN MS or cry.And if LD loses again and cries like Federer,LCW will put his arm around him and assure him he's still and will always be the best (because he wore a Mao talisman when he won the Olympics gold.) so that LD will perk up again (like Federer) to show us more fantastic badminton.

[limsy]

Agree.MAS players are unique.They think all they have to do is polish their skills with their eyes closed and that should help them reach WC qualifying.They don't understand without fuel,a car won't go no matter how hard you step on the accelerator.They don't know that without enough stamina,they can only show their skills perfectly for maybe 20mins.Worse,they(or their coaches) think that stamina is generated from more skills training alone!


hmm...let me ask u something....do u ever see how they training????:rolleyes:...list out those player that u think tat lack of stamina...:rolleyes:...
what u use to concluded WHOLE MALAYSIAN TEAM stamina???...:rolleyes:...base on hafiz????
come on...tell us more...;)

[abedeng]

It was one of the least inspiring semifinals and finals I've ever seen in live action. The quarterfinals battles were much harder and of higher intensity if not in total outright quality. The drift did not help anyone but those who used direct measures (straight down attacks) to win pts.

Despite the close scores in the Hafiz vs Taufik match, Taufik was practically playing in 3rd gear. Hafiz had neither the exceptional defence nor the speed to put Taufik under pressure. Taufik's only weakness was recovery after his initial smash is blocked to the net but Hafiz is no LCW.

Julia Wong and Pi Hongyan battle was the best of the bunch, but still affected largely by the drift. Pi was smarter and resorted to direct attacks more in the last 2 games.

S'pore brothers looked lost against the sledgehammer approach of CTF/LWW, the most disappointing of finals ever, equal in stature to the Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng World Championship victory in 2006. Their contrast in performance against their semifinal victory is painfully obvious to see.

CHN girls had it easy and used the correct game plan to isolate and force a struggling Vita Marissa to move. Nadya Melati was pretty decent but cannot stem the tide.

I expected the IND XD to use similar tactics as the CHN WD against Vita/Flandy, but instead Jwala Gutta was forced out of position most of the time and IND rotation and defence to the body is too slow and weak to counter Flandy's sharp diagonal drives. Vita was not under pressure at all and had all the time in the world to do damage at the net.

India had a chance with more power play in the 2nd, but again we saw what can happen when overeagerness took over as you play with the drift against an experienced team.

And to think that Flandy/Vita almost lost in their q-final match on Friday ........

[ye333]

In fact in soccer it's also possible to be not fit, take Ronaldo as an example. Or Maradona in mid-90s. Fat as hell but still much better soccer player than the fittest ordinary player. Tremendously talented players do have the luxury of being lazy.

In football I guess such things do not happen as football is so physical that if you are not fit, you are definitely heading towards hospital.

Western societies look at badminton as joke "game" mainly because the players are not of the muscular-type and the westerners understand few things beyond brutal force. LCW is very very fit but I doubt many westerners will be impressed. It's a problem of the Westerners, not of badminton. :cool:


It's funny how fitness can be an issue to professional badminton athletes who are supposed to be trained for high level sport performance. No wonder why western societies look at badminton as a joke "game"... it's being played by so many little skinny/out of shape asians(even the pros) who have fitness/stamina problems even in a "game" that has NO physical contact whatsoever.

Look at all those professional football players, how many of them actually have stamina problems(if they do, they would have been replaced a long time ago)... even European badminton players at ages way over 30 don't have significant fitness problems eg. Kenneth Jonassen, he had no problems playing singles at age 34.

It is so sad that Malaysian badminton players are either having fitness problems(which no professional athlete should have, unless you are a sumo wrestler, or baseball player), or they have mental handicap as to not take precaution when eating in random places in a country like India... even a teenage would know better.:eek:

[ye333]

IMHO there is a big difference between TH and HH. TH knows the highest level, fast-pace badminton but HH does not. HH played leisurely for too long and has formed many bad habits. Therefore besides training hard to improve fitness, he needs to take advantage of every meeting with top players. Try to force himself to be comfortable in fast-paced games.


You're spot on about Taufik's new-found fitness :)
His shoulders are broader and his waist has thinned.

Hafiz could do with more speed so that he reaches the shuttle earlier.
Right now, he is content to reach it just in time to retrieve it.

Taking the shuttle so late has two undesirable effects:

1. Hafiz is forced to lift the shuttle more often than he should - and if his opponent is one of those indefatigable smashers, Hafiz has had it (in fact, most of Tedjono's points came from either steep jumpsmashes to the sides or flatter smashes to Hafiz's body)
2. Stooping so low to take the shuttle (often as low as floor level) kills a lot of stored energy - the more times you bend forward, the faster you tire. Retrieving sharp drops eats more energy than even smashing.

It's too much to expect that Hafiz will suddenly change his ways and turn himself into a fast mover. In the same vein, it's too much to expect that he will win more titles relying on his current laid-back method.

After all, Hafiz is already on the slow bus to extinction :o

[ye333]

The uncles are so much better at the net than any 2nd level pairs. As a result many rallies are finished before their opponents got any chance to attack. But that doesn't mean they can still do well against top pairs. IMHO, the SF against Candra/Riyadi clearly shows that whenever the uncles cannot totally dominate the net area, they are in trouble. :cool:


It's unbelieavable also that Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah demolished the SIN pair in such quick fashion :eek: They must be really eager to add the India Open title to their trophy cabinet. Congrats!!! I am happy for the now independent veterans.

So, up next for them is perhaps a Super Series title in Singapore?

[ctjcad]

...
It was heartening to see how TH handled the interview in English although he requested for a repeat of a few questions. Maybe Indian English was a bit too much for him as it is for most of us. :D
..perhaps, Hau-ge's assistance would probably come in handy??..;)

Very impressive !!! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
You must be very good in History/Geography/Cultural studies :)

Um, I travel quite a bit.
That helps as well :p
..erm, i think it's more than just "travel quite a bit"...You're not ethnically related, are you, Oldhand??..;)

...My predictions are 5 out of 5 :D
..your second perfect Finals prediction in a few months time..:cool:

As for Taufik winning, can he finally win that SS title, next??..Or we'll have to wait for his next title at whatever his next GP or GP Gold or SEA tourney is??..:confused::p

[badMania]

As for Taufik winning, can he finally win that SS title, next??..Or we'll have to wait for his next title at whatever his next GP or GP Gold or SEA tourney is??..:confused::p

Aw...come on Chris. Even though I am not really a fan of Taufik Hidayat, as long as he can deliver a title (any title, cap ayam or cap udang titles), I will be grateful enough :D

U are increasingly sounding like someone from our neigbouring country..hehe..

[X Ball]

Aw...come on Chris. Even though I am not really a fan of Taufik Hidayat, as long as he can deliver a title (any title, cap ayam or cap udang titles), I will be grateful enough :D

U are increasingly sounding like someone from our neigbouring country..hehe..


I hope you mean sounding like P.....da coz we, others, cheer for any sort of titles - not necessarily the biggies like WC or Olympics.:D For example, we make the SWISS OPEN sound like the Olympics, just to spike you-know-who.:)

[Pemuda]

Cheer for any sort of titles??
Lets have a big celebration when LCW win the Johor Open this year then and celebrate it as if the Johor Open = AE :)

[X Ball]

Cheer for any sort of titles??
Lets have a big celebration when LCW win the Johor Open this year then and celebrate it as if the Johor Open = AE :)


Congratulations, you are learning fast.:)

[Pemuda]

Congratulations, you are learning fast.:)

Good to know you have nicely digested that humble pie from Beijing :)

[X Ball]

Good to know you have nicely digested that humble pie from Beijing :)


Humility is my middle name.:D

[ctjcad]

Aw...come on Chris. Even though I am not really a fan of Taufik Hidayat, as long as he can deliver a title (any title, cap ayam or cap udang titles), I will be grateful enough :D

U are increasingly sounding like someone from our neigbouring country..hehe..
..you do know the Wild Child of Badminton will be stepping his feet on Canada's soil, this week, and will try to win another title, back-to-back titles, don't you??...Check out the thread below;)
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66905

[george@chongwei]

Cheer for any sort of titles??
Lets have a big celebration when LCW win the Johor Open this year then and celebrate it as if the Johor Open = AE :)
johor open? what tournament is that? is your kampung organising it?:) can i join?
hmm, didnt know much about this tournament though, luckily u tell us here.

[george@chongwei]

georges, another 87 more postings you will hit that 15,000 milestone. Keep this up and by the end of the day I am sure you will hit that magic 15,000.
oh, thanks once again for your calculations of my postings, Mr Accountant/Mr.Professor;)

[Pemuda]

oh, thanks once again for your calculations of my postings, Mr Accountant/Mr.Professor;)

........ 15,000

[pjswift]

hmm...let me ask u something....do u ever see how they training????:rolleyes:...list out those player that u think tat lack of stamina...:rolleyes:...
what u use to concluded WHOLE MALAYSIAN TEAM stamina???...:rolleyes:...base on hafiz????
come on...tell us more...;)
All except LCW!!!
Tell me about their training schedule.EG how many % is allocated for gym work to build stamina and fitness and how much time for skills?
How to deduce MAS fail in stamina? Well, just analyse MAS second line like ckb, cwf,dl,tcs...Usually they can beat their R1 opponent, even their magnificent CHN MS counterparts but when it's the third consecutive match, they're likely to lose,even if their opponents' not particularly strong.MAS MS skills are super but stamina is gonna be an increasingly important factor in winning towards the end of a tournament.
Then note what PG commented about DL.He said DL's physical condition needs to improve to go further.But what did coach Rashid said about DL's loss?Rashid said it's because DL is lacking mentally.When the coach himself cannot tell that his players' basic shortcoming is physical,then his players will be going nowhere however exquisite their skills.The mental part is hard to tell.More often, a player may lose while leading because of inexperience, or no special training in finishing, not necessarily mental.So to find out whether it's mental, the player must first be tested to be physically super fit.EG, if TCS had been super fit, he wouldn't have lost to TS in IO.He ran out of steam in G3.Sure he had a tougher match than TS earlier but that's what super fitness is all about.So that he would be still fresh the next day after a gruelling match before.Do you think LCW would have been able to beat LD comfortably in SO MSF if he had not been superfit?LD had easy matches;LCW had two marathons just before MSF.
If MAS MS have been slogging with poor progress in stamina,then maybe they should re-examine their training mix.Maybe 20% gym work for stamina and fitness and 80% for skills,etc.With experimenting, MAS can find the magic formula but that may also vary with each player.Some require more gym work,some less.
But what's the point of sending players with enough stamina to last 3 matches instead of 5? CHN MS won mostly because of stamina.At least the CHN coaches got that right.MAS coaches masih tidur there.

[george@chongwei]

........ 15,000
wow, speechless..not yet..no need kan chiong.;)
ok, now i know its your favorite part in the forum.. reply to pjswift now. i know u want to;)

[limsy]

All except LCW!!!
Tell me about their training schedule.EG how many % is allocated for gym work to build stamina and fitness and how much time for skills?
How to deduce MAS fail in stamina? Well, just analyse MAS second line like ckb, cwf,dl,tcs...Usually they can beat their R1 opponent, even their magnificent CHN MS counterparts but when it's the third consecutive match, they're likely to lose,even if their opponents' not particularly strong.MAS MS skills are super but stamina is gonna be an increasingly important factor in winning towards the end of a tournament.
Then note what PG commented about DL.He said DL's physical condition needs to improve to go further.But what did coach Rashid said about DL's loss?Rashid said it's because DL is lacking mentally.When the coach himself cannot tell that his players' basic shortcoming is physical,then his players will be going nowhere however exquisite their skills.The mental part is hard to tell.More often, a player may lose while leading because of inexperience, or no special training in finishing, not necessarily mental.So to find out whether it's mental, the player must first be tested to be physically super fit.EG, if TCS had been super fit, he wouldn't have lost to TS in IO.He ran out of steam in G3.Sure he had a tougher match than TS earlier but that's what super fitness is all about.So that he would be still fresh the next day after a gruelling match before.Do you think LCW would have been able to beat LD comfortably in SO MSF if he had not been superfit?LD had easy matches;LCW had two marathons just before MSF.
If MAS MS have been slogging with poor progress in stamina,then maybe they should re-examine their training mix.Maybe 20% gym work for stamina and fitness and 80% for skills,etc.With experimenting, MAS can find the magic formula but that may also vary with each player.Some require more gym work,some less.
But what's the point of sending players with enough stamina to last 3 matches instead of 5? CHN MS won mostly because of stamina.At least the CHN coaches got that right.MAS coaches masih tidur there.

hmm...so....u DONT KNOW how they train...:rolleyes:...AND YET....u claim ALL MALAYSIAN PLAYER EXCEPT LEE CHONG WEI have stamina problem eh?:eek:...
let me tell u something...dont relate anything with STAMINA...if u want some proof,i can give u....
need not to mention senior squad....in our junior squad....iskandar...played 15 matches...include ms,md and xd....in 5 days....he reached 2 finals....ms and xd
and stil manage to won the ms titles...match duration is 446 minutes(excluded 2 final tat didnt have stat;))
http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=C6666BFE-F4DE-42A1-A431-7B695A33B384&player=40
and the following week...he played 11 matches....and win the back to back ms junior titles...match duration 353 minutes
http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=F792808A-60BB-42B8-9C2B-4C415BB2F03F&player=66

not to mention others example....this alone enough to proof....its ok if u think junior match and senior match is different...and if u think mas ms skill are super...i can tell u...not everyone...;)

[abedeng]

It was not fitness that floored TCS. He was too overconfident, made mistakes, and when he lost the 2nd, failed to mentally regroup.

[Pemuda]

hmm...so....u DONT KNOW how they train...:rolleyes:...AND YET....u claim ALL MALAYSIAN PLAYER EXCEPT LEE CHONG WEI have stamina problem eh?:eek:...
let me tell u something...dont relate anything with STAMINA...if u want some proof,i can give u....
need not to mention senior squad....in our junior squad....iskandar...played 15 matches...include ms,md and xd....in 5 days....he reached 2 finals....ms and xd
and stil manage to won the ms titles...match duration is 446 minutes(excluded 2 final tat didnt have stat;))
http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=C6666BFE-F4DE-42A1-A431-7B695A33B384&player=40
and the following week...he played 11 matches....and win the back to back ms junior titles...match duration 353 minutes
http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=F792808A-60BB-42B8-9C2B-4C415BB2F03F&player=66

not to mention others example....this alone enough to proof....its ok if u think junior match and senior match is different...and if u think mas ms skill are super...i can tell u...not everyone...;)

Why dont you debate / argue your points objectively rather than having em' caps all over the place? Just because you find her opinions not to your liking, throwing a rant is not the solution.

Do this for now, put your points across to her objectively. At the end of the day, facts are facts.

[limsy]

It was not fitness that floored TCS. He was too overconfident, made mistakes, and when he lost the 2nd, failed to mentally regroup.

too high after upsets....:p...its ok....as i say...dont too confident to comment something u didnt not witness....;)...peace...

[limsy]

Why dont you debate / argue your points objectively rather than having em' caps all over the place? Just because you find her opinions not to your liking, throwing a rant is not the solution.

Do this for now, put your points across to her objectively. At the end of the day, facts are facts.

i have my RIGHTS on decide how to reply her....is anything in my post related to u????:rolleyes:...
facts????what facts????show me....where????all malaysian player except lee chong wei lost to chinese player in a 10km marathon????:confused:

[Pemuda]

It was not fitness that floored TCS. He was too overconfident, made mistakes, and when he lost the 2nd, failed to mentally regroup.

Bro,

Sometimes mistakes are made because of poor fitness. I can only relate from my experience playing football. We may think we are fit but when we compare ourselves against the likes of the Koreans, for example, we are pretty novice and they with their superior fitness will expose us after 70 minutes and thats when we start making mistakes and we will panic and breakdown mentally after that.

I believe it is the same in badminton, it helps if you are super fit.

[Pemuda]

i have my RIGHTS on decide how to reply her....is anything in my post related to u????:rolleyes:...
facts????what facts????show me....where????all malaysian player except lee chong wei lost to chinese player in a 10km marathon????:confused:

I dont dispute your rights to reply. I am suggesting rather than throwing a rant and use a bunch of caps, why dont you debate your points across to her objectively? Throwing a tantrum is not the right alternative.

[pjswift]

It was not fitness that floored TCS. He was too overconfident, made mistakes, and when he lost the 2nd, failed to mentally regroup.
Most of MAS failures you usually attribute to mental aspects.By the third game,a lot of shots may go haywire,maybe mental, maybe physical but TS definitely had the freshness advantage there.
I don't think MAS MS second line can survive the third marathon match.And here we have limsy giving examples of stamina using some junior in local tournaments as proof.
MAS MS stamina levels generally is a joke.If MAS wants to compete internationally,MAS would be better off to use the CHN standard for reference.

[limsy]

I dont dispute your rights to reply. I am suggesting rather than throwing a rant and use a bunch of caps, why dont you debate your points across to her objectively? Throwing a tantrum is not the right alternative.

yes...and i show the example of iskandar....every reader will have know that is my points...unless someone is blind....cant understand that malaysian player can play a total of 26 matches in 2 consecutive tournament and eventually won the back to back ms title....do ALL MALAYSIAN PLAYER
EXCEPT LEE CHONG WEI have stamina problem????the answer is :NO;)

[limsy]

I don't think MAS MS second line can survive the third marathon match.And here we have limsy giving examples of stamina using some junior in local tournaments as proof.
.

haha....local tournament eh???when german become part of malaysia????when dutch is a part of malaysia???
iskandar even beat the one tat remain UNBEATEN in europe team championship(the one tat denmark won in february)....martin pedro...
dont live in ur own world....;)...u never click on the link i give....

oh....i didnt quote the sentence abt the mas ms stamina is a joke....haiya....stupid limsy

[Pemuda]

yes...and i show the example of iskandar....every reader will have know that is my points...unless someone is blind....cant understand that malaysian player can play a total of 26 matches in 2 consecutive tournament and eventually won the back to back ms title....do ALL MALAYSIAN PLAYER
EXCEPT LEE CHONG WEI have stamina problem????the answer is :NO;)

Calm down limsy. This is no life or death debate. So, calm down please. And please cut down on em' caps.

Ok, you mentioned that 26 matches thingy in 2 consecutive tournaments. Thats a start, good. And what are these 2 tournaments??

[limsy]

Calm down limsy. This is no life or death debate. So, calm down please. And please cut down on em' caps.

Ok, you mentioned that 26 matches thingy in 2 consecutive tournaments. Thats a start, good. And what are these 2 tournaments??

just click on the link i give....in tat post....and please....dont learn someone...claim the german junior and dutch junior tournament as local tournament...we might get sue...;)...

[Pemuda]

haha....local tournament eh???when german become part of malaysia????when dutch is a part of malaysia???
iskandar even beat the one tat remain UNBEATEN in europe team championship(the one tat denmark won in february)....martin pedro...
dont live in ur own world....;)...u never click on the link i give....

oh....i didnt quote the sentence abt the mas ms stamina is a joke....haiya....stupid limsy

Come on limsy, thats not a nice thing to say to someone.

You have put up the German & Dutch Opens and Iskandar as your facts. Stick to this rather than attacking someone personally.

[limsy]

Come on limsy, thats not a nice thing to say to someone.
You have put up the German & Dutch Opens and Iskandar as your facts. Stick to this rather than attacking someone personally.

oh...sorry...i cant...someone claiming dutch and german is a part of malaysia will invite terible things to happen...ie:both nation sue mas....disallow their resident to visit malaysia....and disallow economy activity between both nation....tat is a serious problem u know....and now the economy is bad...u know that....:(...:crying:...

[abedeng]

Most of MAS failures you usually attribute to mental aspects.By the third game,a lot of shots may go haywire,maybe mental, maybe physical but TS definitely had the freshness advantage there.

Pjswift, you have your views and I have mine. Let's keep it at that. We agree to disagree.

I saw TCS at work and he has lost like this before. Two years ago he was also like this and celebrated much too early, just like how he did with Tommy Sugiarto.

I have also seen dead tired players win. It was not physical stamina that made them win.

[george@chongwei]

Bro,

Sometimes mistakes are made because of poor fitness. I can only relate from my experience playing football. We may think we are fit but when we compare ourselves against the likes of the Koreans, for example, we are pretty novice and they with their superior fitness will expose us after 70 minutes and thats when we start making mistakes and we will panic and breakdown mentally after that.

I believe it is the same in badminton, it helps if you are super fit.
malaysia boleh to u!:)

[Pemuda]

oh...sorry...i cant...someone claiming dutch and german is a part of malaysia will invite terible things to happen...ie:both nation sue mas....disallow their resident to visit malaysia....and disallow economy activity between both nation....tat is a serious problem u know....and now the economy is bad...u know that....:(...:crying:...

limsy, maybe they have yet to teach you in school yet but Dutch/German are not a place/region/country, as such they cant be a part of Malaysia. :D:D

Ok back to your theory that Malaysian shuttlers are super fit, hung like a bull, 26 matches 2 tournaments and all. If they are super fit as you say they are, what do you think is/are lacking with our shuttlers?

[eaglehelang]

oh...sorry...i cant...someone claiming dutch and german is a part of malaysia will invite terible things to happen...ie:both nation sue mas....disallow their resident to visit malaysia....and disallow economy activity between both nation....tat is a serious problem u know....and now the economy is bad...u know that....:(...:crying:...

LOL, you're naughty today my bro. Some of them ah dunno who is our U19 juniors lah, though by now they should recognise Iskandar Zulkarnain's name. They thought Dutch & German Juniors tourney is like the 100+ plus tourney or MSSM :p:D:D

Even then also they will say juniors under BJSS, different coaches & emphasis. Better, next chance you get, ask CWF, Lydia Cheah, how their training programme is like. Then we can compare lor.
SInce they're under different coaches - MS elit back-up under Rashid, WS elit back up under Teh SB, maybe also got differences in coach approach.
Like Misbun & Rashid also, they're brothers but I think their approach in coaching is not same ;);).

[badMania]

Talking about Iskandar Zulkarnain Zainuddin, he played 11 matches in a space of 4 days during the German Junior 2009. I was quite impressed with his results there, beating 2 KOR players and another 3 seeded-players to win the title. Of course, he was seeded first in the first place.

He also won the Dutch Junior 2009 a week earlier, playing 15 matches also in a space of 5 days. He beat the top-seed Pedro Martins (currently also no 1 in European Junior circuit) in 3-sets and also reached the Final of XD with Tee Jing Yee, losing to the eventual champion Mohd Ulinnuha/Jenna Gozali.

He should be one to watch in the near future.

[koo_fan]

Talking about Iskandar Zulkarnain Zainuddin, he played 11 matches in a space of 4 days during the German Junior 2009. I was quite impressed with his results there, beating 2 KOR players and another 3 seeded-players to win the title. Of course, he was seeded first in the first place.

He also won the Dutch Junior 2009 a week earlier, playing 15 matches also in a space of 5 days. He beat the top-seed Pedro Martins (currently also no 1 in European Junior circuit) in 3-sets and also reached the Final of XD with Tee Jing Yee, losing to the eventual champion Mohd Ulinnuha/Jenna Gozali.

He should be one to watch in the near future.
Yes, and i hope a foreign umpire had no difficulties to pronounce 'Iskandar Zulkarnain Zainudin' well.
We got the same problem with Fairuzizuan Tazari in his early days, few years before.

A promising one, like arif before, but it's all about consistency. Work on it, yea!

[limsy]

A promising one, like arif before, but it's all about consistency. Work on it, yea!

nope....he is better than arif if compare both of them on 18 years old...;)

[phaarix]

Yes, and i hope a foreign umpire had no difficulties to pronounce 'Iskandar Zulkarnain Zainudin' well.
We got the same problem with Fairuzizuan Tazari in his early days, few years before.

A promising one, like arif before, but it's all about consistency. Work on it, yea!

How do you pronounce those two names by the way? I've always wondered... (and I hate to sound stupid by completely mispronouncing it).

[ctjcad]

..here's the way to pronounce the names (you can take out the "h" letter/sound, if you'd like);):
'Iskandar Zulkarnain Zainudin' = Ees-khan-dhar Zool-khar-nine Zhaa-ee-nude-inn
'Fairuzizuan Tazari' = Pha-ee-roo-zee-zoo-wan Tha-zha-rhee

[Pemuda]

..here's the way to pronounce the names (you can take out the "h" letter/sound, if you'd like);):
'Iskandar Zulkarnain Zainudin' = Ees-khan-dhar Zool-khar-nine Zhaa-ee-nude-inn
'Fairuzizuan Tazari' = Pha-ee-roo-zee-zoo-wan Tha-zha-rhee

Anyone with the name, Iskandar is destined for greatness :D

[koo_fan]

How do you pronounce those two names by the way? I've always wondered... (and I hate to sound stupid by completely mispronouncing it).

A'ha. Try to tell that to our Hasbullah Awang eh?

[pjswift]

haha....local tournament eh???when german become part of malaysia????when dutch is a part of malaysia???
iskandar even beat the one tat remain UNBEATEN in europe team championship(the one tat denmark won in february)....martin pedro...
dont live in ur own world....;)...u never click on the link i give....

oh....i didnt quote the sentence abt the mas ms stamina is a joke....haiya....stupid limsy
My apologies.So it's not MAS tournament? Iskandar sounds impressive.Great for MAS.Just hope he maintains his brilliance.
But why use junior as example when it's totally irrelevant?
How about doing research on how many 3G matches MAS second line can win before falling?

[pjswift]

Pjswift, you have your views and I have mine. Let's keep it at that. We agree to disagree.

I saw TCS at work and he has lost like this before. Two years ago he was also like this and celebrated much too early, just like how he did with Tommy Sugiarto.

I have also seen dead tired players win. It was not physical stamina that made them win.
Yes,we agree to disagree.We've seen how TCS played before in MAS and SIN tournaments and come away with different impressions.

[limsy]

every player will improve...time to time....he/she play like a in april.....doesnt mean he/she will play like a again in june....so...i wont say he/she is as same as last tournament i saw....:)...try to observe again everytime when player on court....we can see the different...maybe today u see he/she
cant do a crosscourt smash...doesnt mean after few monthes...u saw him/her again...he/she still cant do it...player will improve...

[bananakid]

every player will improve...time to time....he/she play like a in april.....doesnt mean he/she will play like a again in june....so...i wont say he/she is as same as last tournament i saw....:)...try to observe again everytime when player on court....we can see the different...maybe today u see he/she
cant do a crosscourt smash...doesnt mean after few monthes...u saw him/her again...he/she still cant do it...player will improve...

I disagree. Here is my question for you: After a full year and over 8,000+ posts, why hasn't your English level increase by even the slightest bit?:confused: You still can't spell properly, bad grammar, and the constant use of ... ... ... ... ...? What's up with that, dude?

Isn't it easier to spell 1 English word correctly than doing a smash in badminton?

You spend more time wondering around the BC forum than a professional badminton player on a badminton court practicing. If you can't get any better with spelling, then I can't agree that a badminton player can necessarily improve just because they are training on court.

Oh! badminton players have coaches. Hmmm...
However, there are programs called "spell check", and a book called the dictionary as well. By the way, they are not that expensive at all even for a student who lives with mama and papa.

[limsy]

I disagree. Here is my question for you: After a full year and over 8,000+ posts, why hasn't your English level increase by even the slightest bit?:confused: You still can't spell properly, bad grammar, and the constant use of ... ... ... ... ...? What's up with that, dude?

:rolleyes:...am i a player????i say PLAYER WILL IMPROVE....do u saw my name anywhere in any tournament????...so,what u disagree with???ask ur primary school teacher what is the different of a player and a normal bcer...:rolleyes:....as long as i didnt insult others bcer mother....as long as i didnt get ban....as long as i didnt get warning from mod....i can post what as i like....:rolleyes:....who are u to question my language?i proud that my chinese is better than english....if u have problem with it....just put my name in ur ignore list....:rolleyes:....

as for in another thread....proof that i off topic in hundreds of threads with thousands of posts....PROOF....if u can....i stop posting....;)....

[bananakid]

:rolleyes:...am i a player????i say PLAYER WILL IMPROVE....do u saw my name anywhere in any tournament????...so,what u disagree with???ask ur primary school teacher what is the different of a player and a normal bcer...:rolleyes:....as long as i didnt insult others bcer mother....as long as i didnt get ban....as long as i didnt get warning from mod....i can post what as i like....:rolleyes:....who are u to question my language?i proud that my chinese is better than english....if u have problem with it....just put my name in ur ignore list....:rolleyes:....

as for in another thread....proof that i off topic in hundreds of threads with thousands of posts....PROOF....if u can....i stop posting....;)....

Your interpretation to a message is so bad, that you can not even see the use of comparison in my previous post.

It is going to require 10 full time no life forum surfers a long time to go through all your meaningless posts(8,000+), then copy and paste them all as evidences.

I am glad that you are so easily proud of yourself, and not seeking improvement in your weakness at all but defending it with complete ignorance of the problem. Boleh to you!;)

Just to teach you a thing or two. There are such as "," and "." in the English writing style instead of using "..." all the time. "..." does not have to be used every single time when you are trying to use that little brain and think. "..." only appears when cartoon characters are thinking.

[limsy]

Your interpretation to a message is so bad, that you can not even see the use of comparison in my previous post.

It is going to require 10 full time no life forum surfers a long time to go through all your meaningless posts(8,000+), then copy and paste them all as evidences.

I am glad that you are so easily proud of yourself, and not seeking improvement in your weakness at all but defending it with complete ignorance of the problem. Boleh to you!;)

yes....because u keep editing ur post....:rolleyes:....

why should i proof it???who claim that????u...then why ask me to proof????just like a police claim xyz is murder....then ask xyz to proof he is not....:rolleyes:....

just answer me...do u have problem with my post????and with my english????
if yes,just put my name in ur ignore list
if no,dont say this and that here....:rolleyes:
then....settle...easy....
as u so clever....no need me to teach u what to do....;)

[Loh]

Frankly, bananakid is trying to help us improve.

And sometimes it is painful to be told but if we take it as a challenge and work on it, often times the result will be beneficial.

I like to improve my English and indeed whenever I have a problem with spelling or the meaning of a word or how to use a word or phrase better, I will consult my handy e-dictionary. :D

[limsy]

Frankly, bananakid is trying to help us improve.

And sometimes it is painful to be told but if we take it as a challenge and work on it, often times the result will be beneficial.

I like to improve my English and indeed whenever I have a problem with spelling or the meaning of a word or how to use a word or phrase better, I will consult my handy e-dictionary. :D

uncle loh...depend on is who....if is u...sure u will say nicely....;)...
but...not everyone as nice as u...uncle loh...:D

[bananakid]

Your interpretation to a message is so bad, that you can not even see the use of comparison in my previous post.

It is going to require 10 full time no life forum surfers a long time to go through all your meaningless posts(8,000+), then copy and paste them all as evidences.


yes....because u keep editing ur post....:rolleyes:....

why should i proof it???who claim that????u...then why ask me to proof????just like a police claim xyz is murder....then ask xyz to proof he is not....:rolleyes:....

just answer me...do u have problem with my post????and with my english????
if yes,just put my name in ur ignore list
if no,dont say this and that here....:rolleyes:
then....settle...easy....
as u so clever....no need me to teach u what to do....;)


I didn't notice asking you for evidence, but you quickly admit that you are a no life forum surfer with your above post. Glad that you admit it. haha

Editing my posts? Well, I like to correct my mistakes when I notice them(unlike others), and/or I like to add on to my post(s) afterwards as well. I don't tell people how my wonderful Chinese level can make up for my terrible English either.

As a matter of fact, I enjoy reading your posts, as it makes me laugh a lot with the way you insult the English language pretty much. Thank you for your kindness.

[limsy]

It is going to require 10 full time no life forum surfers a long time to go through all your meaningless posts(8,000+), then copy and paste them all as evidences.


oh...ALL my post is meaningless to u????for ur infomation...
i have post more than 100 news link
i have provided many result when there is no live score(like in iran fajr tournament and vietnam internationl challenge last year)
i have provided many insider info/news
when someone claiming ALL my post is meaningless....i wonder what is meaningful to him..oh...maybe insult other bcer mother is meaningful to him...AS HE DONE BEFORE AND GET BANNED....
as i in the forum...i try to provide insider news....i try to get result from the sources i can get....i do the best i can....i never insult other bcer mother....i didnt get banned before...i didnt get warned before....then that is enough....if i am posting ALL meaningless post in bc...sure i have get ban....
again...we have another bcer here to act like he is the owner...and he is the RULE here...:rolleyes:

[limsy]

I didn't notice asking you for evidence, but you quickly admit that you are a no life forum surfer with your above post. Glad that you admit it. haha


do u post the sentence below????:rolleyes:
dont make me laugh....


then copy and paste them all as evidences.

[bananakid]

do u post the sentence below????:rolleyes:
dont make me laugh....


Here, let's read the following sentence together first, then let's interpret it together, shall we?


It is going to require 10 full time no life forum surfers a long time to go through all your meaningless posts(8,000+), then copy and paste them all as evidences.


Now, tell me where did you see your name(limsy) in the above bolded sentence? Unless you admit that you are 1 of the 10 full time no life forum surfers, I don't see how I asked you to do a search and find evidence?:confused:

Stay in school, dude... you really can't afford to miss 1 day at all.:crying:

[george@chongwei]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asnfFfcTpNg

[george@chongwei]

I disagree. Here is my question for you: After a full year and over 8,000+ posts, why hasn't your English level increase by even the slightest bit?:confused: You still can't spell properly, bad grammar, and the constant use of ... ... ... ... ...? What's up with that, dude?

Isn't it easier to spell 1 English word correctly than doing a smash in badminton?

You spend more time wondering around the BC forum than a professional badminton player on a badminton court practicing. If you can't get any better with spelling, then I can't agree that a badminton player can necessarily improve just because they are training on court.

Oh! badminton players have coaches. Hmmm...
However, there are programs called "spell check", and a book called the dictionary as well. By the way, they are not that expensive at all even for a student who lives with mama and papa.
hmm, looks like you totally make good use of it this time, eh?;)
more prepared too.

[george@chongwei]

uncle loh...depend on is who....if is u...sure u will say nicely....;)...
but...not everyone as nice as u...uncle loh...:D
just relax limsy, it is not worth it plus it will just waste time if u continue with the mindless chat with him.;)

[eaglehelang]

just relax limsy, it is not worth it plus it will just waste time if u continue with the mindless chat with him.;)


uncle loh...depend on is who....if is u...sure u will say nicely....;)...
but...not everyone as nice as u...uncle loh...:D

Cool Limsy, Cool :D, no need to bother abt what they think of your English. They dont know what's the standard of English among general public in Malaysia lah.
If BCers all over the world have to consult dictionary/google translator all the time before posting, then those from non English speaking countries no need to post already ;).

[hcyong]

It is going to require 10 full time no life forum surfers a long time to go through all your meaningless posts(8,000+), then copy and paste them all as evidences.


Your own English is not perfect either, so please don't be so condescending on other people's English, especially towards non-native speakers. In your sentence above, I can already spot some mistakes. One, I suspect, will turn up in a spell check. The other two will not.

My own English is far from perfect and I know there are bound to be mistakes, but at least I don't quickly point out other people's mistakes (except in this one case).

[Pemuda]

every player will improve...time to time....he/she play like a in april.....doesnt mean he/she will play like a again in june....so...i wont say he/she is as same as last tournament i saw....:)...try to observe again everytime when player on court....we can see the different...maybe today u see he/she
cant do a crosscourt smash...doesnt mean after few monthes...u saw him/her again...he/she still cant do it...player will improve...

If based on your above 'every player will improve over time' theory, how come our MS WR1, LCW still cant land that AE title?

And what about HH?? You see him improving?

[limsy]

just relax limsy, it is not worth it plus it will just waste time if u continue with the mindless chat with him.;)


Cool Limsy, Cool :D, no need to bother abt what they think of your English. They dont know what's the standard of English among general public in Malaysia lah.
If BCers all over the world have to consult dictionary/google translator all the time before posting, then those from non English speaking countries no need to post already ;).


Your own English is not perfect either, so please don't be so condescending on other people's English, especially towards non-native speakers. In your sentence above, I can already spot some mistakes. One, I suspect, will turn up in a spell check. The other two will not.

My own English is far from perfect and I know there are bound to be mistakes, but at least I don't quickly point out other people's mistakes (except in this one case).

thanks:)....


If based on your above 'every player will improve over time' theory, how come our MS WR1, LCW still cant land that AE title?

And what about HH?? You see him improving?

hmm....
for the 1st question.....i dont know....;)...we have hundreds player in international arena...and not everyone can win mah...have winner...have loser...
for hafiz....yes....compare 2003 ae final and 2009 india open final....the only thing he improve is....he can do more mistake....:p

[Pemuda]

uncle loh...depend on is who....if is u...sure u will say nicely....;)...
but...not everyone as nice as u...uncle loh...:D

limsy, again you need to calm down.

I am with Uncle Loh, bananakid's intentions are sincere. There is nothing wrong in improving as we are all not perfect. You should react by looking forward. And please dont let no one tell you that your English is pretty much equivalent to the general public in Malaysia. That is loser talk, I am sorry. You should aim to improve rather than settle for something substandard. Aspire to stand out in the crowd, thats the key.

[Jagdpanther]

Cool down, limsy.

I notice one thing, though.

He quoted and replied all your arguments except this one... ;)


oh...ALL my post is meaningless to u????for ur infomation...
i have post more than 100 news link
i have provided many result when there is no live score(like in iran fajr tournament and vietnam internationl challenge last year)
i have provided many insider info/news
when someone claiming ALL my post is meaningless....i wonder what is meaningful to him..oh...maybe insult other bcer mother is meaningful to him...AS HE DONE BEFORE AND GET BANNED....
as i in the forum...i try to provide insider news....i try to get result from the sources i can get....i do the best i can....i never insult other bcer mother....i didnt get banned before...i didnt get warned before....then that is enough....if i am posting ALL meaningless post in bc...sure i have get ban....
again...we have another bcer here to act like he is the owner...and he is the RULE here...:rolleyes:

[Pemuda]

hmm....
for the 1st question.....i dont know....;)...we have hundreds player in international arena...and not everyone can win mah...have winner...have loser...
for hafiz....yes....compare 2003 ae final and 2009 india open final....the only thing he improve is....he can do more mistake....:p

Yes, we have hundreds of players in the international arena but we only have one WR1, right? So, question is how come the WR1 is not able to land that AE based on your ''every player will improve over time'' theory?

Not only HH, KBH is another example. The lad is not improving despite having the time and motherly love from BAM.

[Pemuda]

:rolleyes:...am i a player????i say PLAYER WILL IMPROVE....do u saw my name anywhere in any tournament????...so,what u disagree with???ask ur primary school teacher what is the different of a player and a normal bcer...:rolleyes:....as long as i didnt insult others bcer mother....as long as i didnt get ban....as long as i didnt get warning from mod....i can post what as i like....:rolleyes:....who are u to question my language?i proud that my chinese is better than english....if u have problem with it....just put my name in ur ignore list....:rolleyes:....

limsy, to be fair, you need to be consistent also. Likewise I am also a normal bcer like you and when I comment about BAM, Malaysian badminton, it is also 'not fair' of you to ask me to go manage BAM.

;)

[Pemuda]

oh...ALL my post is meaningless to u????for ur infomation...
i have post more than 100 news link
i have provided many result when there is no live score(like in iran fajr tournament and vietnam internationl challenge last year)
i have provided many insider info/news
when someone claiming ALL my post is meaningless....i wonder what is meaningful to him..oh...maybe insult other bcer mother is meaningful to him...AS HE DONE BEFORE AND GET BANNED....
as i in the forum...i try to provide insider news....i try to get result from the sources i can get....i do the best i can....i never insult other bcer mother....i didnt get banned before...i didnt get warned before....then that is enough....if i am posting ALL meaningless post in bc...sure i have get ban....
again...we have another bcer here to act like he is the owner...and he is the RULE here...:rolleyes:

limsy, thank you for your contributions. I have said before at the rate you are going, I am confident you are going to set a new record here. But please dont forget to have a life outside of this forum as well and never neglect your studies, ok?;) As Master Miyagi says ; 'Must have balance. Must have balance in life' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPoBXemFmg

And lastly, per your below statement, how about walking the talk and sticking to the thread's topic, ok?:)


please post something tat relate to the thread title...:mad:...dont keep off topic....

[ctjcad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asnfFfcTpNg
..a few "Wows";):cool::
1. Did Taufik write his speech??
2. It's official, Taufik is now an Indian! (check out @ 4:24)
3. Lucky lads, for being able to hit around with Taufik & Saina (towards the end of the clips).

Your own English is not perfect either, so please don't be so condescending on other people's English, especially towards non-native speakers.
...
My own English is far from perfect and I know there are bound to be mistakes, but at least I don't quickly point out other people's mistakes (except in this one case).
..Yong, i think bananakid meant to say "at least bring it up to my level of English"..;)

...They dont know what's the standard of English among general public in Malaysia lah.
...
..i thought using "lah", "lah", "lah" is used in Singapore, you know Singlish laaaaaaaaaah??..:confused: ;)

[koo_fan]

..a few "Wows";):cool::
1. Did Taufik write his speech??
2. It's official, Taufik is now an Indian! (check out @ 4:24)
3. Lucky lads, for being able to hit around with Taufik & Saina (towards the end of the clips).

..Yong, i think bananakid meant to say "at least bring it up to my level of English"..;)
err...chris, "it's no longer available". pretty quick, eh?

[ctjcad]

..perhaps the URL addie is giving you or not giving you what you want to watch???..:confused:

[koo_fan]

..perhaps the URL addie is giving you or not giving you what you want to watch???..:confused:
Is it offensive?
Don't think so

[limsy]

Cool down, limsy.

I notice one thing, though.

He quoted and replied all your arguments except this one... ;)

ya....maybe he choose not to reply that...he have no point to reply....as what i say is fact....;)

[ctjcad]

Is it offensive?
Don't think so
none..:confused:..which part is "offensive"???...:confused:

[Pemuda]

Your own English is not perfect either, so please don't be so condescending on other people's English, especially towards non-native speakers. In your sentence above, I can already spot some mistakes. One, I suspect, will turn up in a spell check. The other two will not.

My own English is far from perfect and I know there are bound to be mistakes, but at least I don't quickly point out other people's mistakes (except in this one case).

In fairness to bananakid, I think you are missing the point. bananakid's intentions are sincere, he spoke the truth and with respect to limsy, limsy's English would do with some improvements. Look closely at what bananakid wrote;



After a full year and over 8,000+ posts, why hasn't your English level increase by even the slightest bit?:confused: You still can't spell properly, bad grammar, and the constant use of ... ... ... ... ...? What's up with that, dude?

Sometimes the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow but hey, if we can see beyond the bitter truth, we will end up with the positives.

My own English is far from perfect, dude. When I first joined this forum, I was like mi nott spechling mucho ingressish mucho but after 2,000+ posts, my English improved gradually and bananakid is right, after 8,000+ posts, limsy's English is pretty 'weak'.

Lighten up, dude.

[eaglehelang]

..
..i thought using "lah", "lah", "lah" is used in Singapore, you know Singlish laaaaaaaaaah??..:confused: ;)

It's also used often in Malaysian English :p

[drifit]

here in BC, we do have english lesson. if interested, you may go here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48454) to learn something. ;)

[chris-ccc]

.................................
i have post more than 100 news link
i have provided many results when there is no live score ......

as i in the forum...i try to provide insider news....i try to get result from the sources i can get....i do the best i can....i never insult other bcer mother....i didnt get banned before...i didnt get warned before....then that is enough....if i am posting ALL meaningless post in bc...sure i have get ban....



.
Let not this forum be for English lessons, but be for Badminton info/results/news

limsy ... Just want to tell you that many of us BCers here are thankful for the info/results/news that you often provide. Your Badminton related info is what we are interested in.

So, keep up with the good work !!! :):):)
.

[Oldhand]

Being fluent in a language is certainly a good thing.
But that doesn't mean a lack of fluency is bad :)

Generally, people are most comfortable when using their own language.
I know a bit of French but not enough to post advice in a French forum.
If I did, I'd probably get laughed out or barred for offensive phrasing :D

Similarly, I know neither Mandarin nor Bahasa Malaysia.
Nor do I know Korean or Swahili or Dhivehi or Arabic.
But I have scant reason to be ashamed of this 'shortcoming'.

A few members have posted advice to a few others on improving their English skills. Sans the teasing, it would be sound advice. Yes, sans the teasing ;)

In fact, this forum (and any forum, for that matter) is as good a place as any to practice and improve writing skills. Here, grades don't count. Only the meaning counts.

The idea is to communicate - and communicate well.
If broken phrases clearly convey the point, that's good enough.
But if one could move up to better phrasing, that would lead to better communication all around.

If so, that would be reason for some pride - for you and the forum :)

[jutawin]

Thank for everything you have done. keep going, Limsy..
Everything is Ok with your English, my English is worse compared to yours..
http://kaskus.us/images/smilies/sumbangan/smiley_beer.gif

[limsy]

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Let not this forum be for English lessons, but be for Badminton info/results/news

limsy ... Just want to tell you that many of us BCers here are thankful for the info/results/news that you often provide. Your Badminton related info is what we are interested in.

So, keep up with the good work !!! :):):)
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thanks chriss...i just try to entertain him as maybe he face some unhappy/upset today or yesterday....so he just login to bc and fight with some innocent bcer....:(....

oh ya...for the upcoming vietnam international challenge...the squad of mas player is smaller compare to last year,where we won 3 titles there....as some of them no longer belongs to international challenge level,ie:lydia....so....hope livescore will be provided(anyway...dont worry,still have some friend will go vietnam):D

[limsy]

Thank for everything you have done. keep going, Limsy..
Everything is Ok with your English, my English is worse compared to yours..
http://kaskus.us/images/smilies/sumbangan/smiley_beer.gif

thanks....:)...appreciate it very much...thanks....

hope the case closed now...

end of story...
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peace:)....

hope bananakid will have some nice day in canada:D

[chris-ccc]

here in BC, we do have english lesson. if interested, you may go here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48454) to learn something. ;)



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:D:D:D drifit ... You have dug up this old thread.
OK, let's go to Post#90 of that thread again, where I posted this.

i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt !

See... Many can still understand the above paragraph.

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[jutawin]

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:D:D:D drifit ... You have dug up this old thread.
OK, let's go to Post#90 of that thread again, where I posted this.

i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt !

See... Many can still understand the above paragraph.

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˙ɥdɐɹƃɐɹɐd ǝʌoqɐ ǝɥʇ puɐʇsɹǝpun ןןıʇs uɐɔ ʎuɐɯ ˙˙˙ǝǝs

¡ ʇʇuɐɹoɯdı sɐʍ ƃuıןǝdןs ʇoɥnɥƃʇ sɐʎןʍɐ ı puɐ ɥǝɐʎ ¿ɥnɥ ƃıɯuɐzɐ ˙ǝɥoןʍ ɐ sɐ poɹʍ ǝɥʇ ʇnq 'ɟǝןʇsı ʎq ɹǝʇǝʇן ʎǝʌɹǝ pǝɐɹ ʇou soǝp pıuɯ uɯɐnɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɐǝsnɔq sı sɥıʇ ˙ɯןɹǝoqd ɐ ʇınʇoɥʍ ʇı pǝɐɹ ןןʇıs uɐɔ noʎ puɐ sǝsɯ ןʇoɐʇ ɐ ǝq uɐɔ ʇǝsɹ ǝɥʇ ˙ǝɐןɔd ʇıɥƃɹ ǝɥʇ uı ǝq ɹǝǝʇʇן ʇɐsן puɐ ʇısɹɟ ǝɥʇ ʇɥɐʇ sı ƃuɥıʇ ʇuʇɯɐoɹdı ʎuןo ǝɥʇ 'ǝɹɐ poɹʍ ɐ uı sǝɹǝʇʇן ǝɥʇ ɹpɹǝo ʇɥɐʍ uı ɹʇǝɐʇɯ ʇ,ouǝsp ʇı 'ʎsıʇʌɹǝuın ǝpƃıɹqɐɯɔ ʇɐ ɥɔɹɐǝǝɥɔsɹ ɐ oʇ ƃıuɹpɔɔoɐ 'pıuɯ uɐnɯɥ ǝɥʇ ɟo ɹoǝʍd ןɐǝuɯuoɐɥd ǝɥʇ ˙ƃǝıuɐpɹ sɐʍ ı ʇɥɐʍ pɹuʇɐupsǝn ʎʇןɔɐןnɐ ponןɔ ı ʇɥɐʇ ǝǝıǝʌןq ʇןonupɔ ı

many still can read this lah.. hehe..

[chris-ccc]

˙ɥdɐɹƃɐɹɐd ǝʌoqɐ ǝɥʇ puɐʇsɹǝpun ןןıʇs uɐɔ ʎuɐɯ ˙˙˙ǝǝs

¡ ʇʇuɐɹoɯdı sɐʍ ƃuıןǝdןs ʇoɥnɥƃʇ sɐʎןʍɐ ı puɐ ɥǝɐʎ ¿ɥnɥ ƃıɯuɐzɐ ˙ǝɥoןʍ ɐ sɐ poɹʍ ǝɥʇ ʇnq 'ɟǝןʇsı ʎq ɹǝʇǝʇן ʎǝʌɹǝ pǝɐɹ ʇou soǝp pıuɯ uɯɐnɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɐǝsnɔq sı sɥıʇ ˙ɯןɹǝoqd ɐ ʇınʇoɥʍ ʇı pǝɐɹ ןןʇıs uɐɔ noʎ puɐ sǝsɯ ןʇoɐʇ ɐ ǝq uɐɔ ʇǝsɹ ǝɥʇ ˙ǝɐןɔd ʇıɥƃɹ ǝɥʇ uı ǝq ɹǝǝʇʇן ʇɐsן puɐ ʇısɹɟ ǝɥʇ ʇɥɐʇ sı ƃuɥıʇ ʇuʇɯɐoɹdı ʎuןo ǝɥʇ 'ǝɹɐ poɹʍ ɐ uı sǝɹǝʇʇן ǝɥʇ ɹpɹǝo ʇɥɐʍ uı ɹʇǝɐʇɯ ʇ,ouǝsp ʇı 'ʎsıʇʌɹǝuın ǝpƃıɹqɐɯɔ ʇɐ ɥɔɹɐǝǝɥɔsɹ ɐ oʇ ƃıuɹpɔɔoɐ 'pıuɯ uɐnɯɥ ǝɥʇ ɟo ɹoǝʍd ןɐǝuɯuoɐɥd ǝɥʇ ˙ƃǝıuɐpɹ sɐʍ ı ʇɥɐʍ pɹuʇɐupsǝn ʎʇןɔɐןnɐ ponןɔ ı ʇɥɐʇ ǝǝıǝʌןq ʇןonupɔ ı

many still can read this lah.. hehe..



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:D:D:D jutawin ... I have to turn my screen upside down to read. :D:D:D
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[bananakid]

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1135563#post1135563)
every player will improve...time to time....he/she play like a in april.....doesnt mean he/she will play like a again in june....so...i wont say he/she is as same as last tournament i saw....:)...try to observe again everytime when player on court....we can see the different...maybe today u see he/she
cant do a crosscourt smash...doesnt mean after few monthes...u saw him/her again...he/she still cant do it...player will improve...

I disagree. Here is my question for you: After a full year and over 8,000+ posts, why hasn't your English level increase by even the slightest bit?:confused: You still can't spell properly, bad grammar, and the constant use of ... ... ... ... ...? What's up with that, dude?

Isn't it easier to spell 1 English word correctly than doing a smash in badminton?

You spend more time wondering around the BC forum than a professional badminton player on a badminton court practicing. If you can't get any better with spelling, then I can't agree that a badminton player can necessarily improve just because they are training on court.

Oh! badminton players have coaches. Hmmm...
However, there are programs called "spell check", and a book called the dictionary as well. By the way, they are not that expensive at all even for a student who lives with mama and papa.

First of all, my first post in this thread was to challenge Limsy's logic. However, the main point was not taken or maybe it was ignored, yet my point on his poor English was on the other hand became the main focus instead.

[bananakid]

Let not this forum be for English lessons, but be for Badminton info/results/news



:D:D:D drifit ... You have dug up this old thread.
OK, let's go to Post#90 of that thread again, where I posted this.

i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt !

See... Many can still understand the above paragraph.



Sure, do as I say, not as I do.:rolleyes:

[bananakid]

Thank for everything you have done. keep going, Limsy..
Everything is Ok with your English, my English is worse compared to yours..
http://kaskus.us/images/smilies/sumbangan/smiley_beer.gif


So, are you telling him that it's ok to be mediocre, as long as someone is worse than him? :confused:

You have got to be kidding. Your English is way better than Limsy to say the least.:eek: At least, you use "," and "." instead of "..." 10 times in a single paragraph.

I think this is all part of your plan to ensure Malaysia stays weak while you do your best to make Indonesia stronger, right? Keep the boleh fans satisfied for being mediocre while Indonesia grows stronger and stronger!:D You are definitely a genius!!!:D

[koo_fan]

let's not taking sides.
I can take something from bananakid's posts, limsy. Sure you can. Yes, it's 'menusuk kalbu' (@_@) but, so what? You may find something worse. Get ready.
I don't find any problem with improving, the best offence is the best defence. Come back stronger and prove to him later.
Chaiyo for us!

And yes..i remembered the discussion should be on whether players will improve by time or not? Yes and No. Yes, considering how much the effort one player will put on his career. No if he is unable to keep on improving. it is general, yet i think this is how our life is all about. If you want it, work for it. I symphatized if you say no when it's not yet over. It's an attitude of a loser.

[koo_fan]

none..:confused:..which part is "offensive"???...:confused:
No. i'm asking you. You've watched it, right?

Try with another pc, yes, it's still there.
31st march 09 should be one historical day for India.

[chris-ccc]

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In this Badminton Forum, the ideas and the thoughts to be conveyed are more important than the usage of proper English grammar, spelling, sentence structure, etc...

IMHO, limsy is doing OK here. If we do not understand him, we should ask him to please explain or to clarify. Why criticise his English? :(:(:(

Let's not insist on 'Better English' here. For if we do, many BCers could be too embarrassed to post.

Talking about posters with 'Better English'; we have had many in the past. Check out how eloquently some have written. Their use and command of English to persuade others were excellent. However, their ideas and thoughts seemed to be rejected by many of our BCers. Here is an example: click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39023)

So, may it be repeated: Our limsy is doing OK here.

chris-ccc
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[bananakid]

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In this Badminton Forum, the ideas and the thoughts to be conveyed are more important than the usage of proper English grammar, spelling, sentence structure, etc...

IMHO, limsy is doing OK here. If we do not understand him, we should ask him to please explain or to clarify. Why criticise his English? :(:(:(

Let's not insist on 'Better English' here. For if we do, many BCers could be too embarrassed to post.

Talking about posters with 'Better English'; we have had many in the past. Check out how eloquently some have written. Their use and command of English to persuade others were excellent. However, their ideas and thoughts seemed to be rejected by many of our BCers. Here is an example: click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39023)

So, may it be repeated: Our limsy is doing OK here.

chris-ccc
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Are you folks trying to hurt this kid or something?:confused: Giving him approval on his TERRIBLE English, instead of pointing out where and how he can improve.

With that sort of boleh attitude, no wonder BAM can keep guys like Hafiz, KBH, and all sort of losers in the national team for so long.

Yeah!!! Keep feeding them the positives without directions, and find out for yourself how successful they can become.

I may sound harsh and all, but at least there are some suggestions in my posts that limsy can learn something from(if he cares enough). What the heck? It doesn't matter to me whether limsy can pass his next English exam or not, and certainly doesn't matter to me if Malaysia badminton team keeps getting their butt kick over and over again.

[Athelete1234]

This is a forum, not an english paper. Feel free to add slang, screw the apostrophes and show your own style in your postings. If you don't like it, pm, or don't comment.

[chris-ccc]

Sans the teasing, it would be sound advice. Yes, sans the teasing. ;)

The idea is to communicate - and communicate well.
If broken phrases clearly convey the point, that's good enough.



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What can we do when the teasing doesn't stop, Oldhand?
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It doesn't matter to me whether limsy can pass his next English exam or not, and certainly doesn't matter to me if Malaysia badminton team keeps getting their butt kick over and over again.

[badMania]

To quote from LazyBuddy's post a while ago:
"seriously, hey, I have 7,000+ posts, and I talk a lot. I don't really need anyone to approve or dis-approve my point of view, and my intention is to talk and laugh and share, whether whatever categories I belong to, I do NOT care..."

[chris-ccc]

This is a forum, not an english paper. Feel free to add slang, screw the apostrophes and show your own style in your postings. If you don't like it, pm, or don't comment.



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Spot on Athelete1234 !!! :):):)

In a forum, it's the communication of ideas and thoughts that counts. Sometimes we don't even need words. Many have used pictures to substitute for words.
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[badMania]

Despite limsy's shortcoming in English (we do have understand that English is not his native language). At least he is providing us with information and results on some tourneys when they are unavailable (based on his contacts with the Malaysian juniors and others).

I thought this is a badminton forum and not some English forum? Contributions on anything related to badminton (which limsy clearly had shown) are greatly appreciated.

To limsy: just to please those critics, perhaps u can cut down on your "...." (which I also use in my posts most of the times).

[Pemuda]

Yes, this is a badminton forum.

Yes, this is not English Language 101

But do note this forum is in English. And in any forum where English is only used, I believe some form of 'decent' English is expected.

If we put aside them emotions, all bananakid did was questioned Limsy's logic of as long as one practices, one will get better by stating that even though he posts over 8,000 times in less than 1 year, his English has not been any better than before. And no disrespect to limsy, and before anyone here go ballistic that I am teasing, I would say limsy's English can be 'improved' further.

Now, I have read what have been said and as a Malaysian, myself, I find it insulting when someone said limsy's English is equivalent to the so called standard of English in Malaysia. Are we still living in trees and walking around barefoot in Malaysia today?

I was born in a fishing village (kampung) near Besut, Terengganu. English is not the local language there. We dont even speak Bahasa Malaysia, we speak loghat ganu. As such, it was up to me to take the initiative to master the English language. I did so because I knew English was the language of commerce. I knew English was an international language. Because my command of the language is better than my village folks in general, I was able to go to RMIT and later get a job as an Engineer rather than tapping rubber in my village. Its called progress. Honestly, despite my dashing good looks and charming self, I seriously doubt I be hired by an Aussie MNC today had my English been poor.

Anyway, with that said, I also believe at the end of the day, it is up to the individual. limsy can take the positives and work towards improving his English or he can built trenches and dug in with some here. At 17/18, he got em' choices to make.

My 2sen.

Lots of love n kisses (now now, please dont go crying that I m teasing:o) ,

Pemuda @ Jo

[Oldhand]

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What can we do when the teasing doesn't stop, Oldhand?
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It's teasing only if the teased thinks so :p

If the teased finds the teasing unfunny or insulting, the teaser needs to be told so. I'm sure it will then stop :)

[Oldhand]

[...]The idea is to communicate - and communicate well.
If broken phrases clearly convey the point, that's good enough.
But if one could move up to better phrasing, that would lead to better communication all around.

If so, that would be reason for some pride - for you and the forum :)

Whether BC doubles as a self-improvement forum is not the issue here.
As mentioned earlier, the basic intention is to communicate clearly :)

If broken phrasing results in just a bewildering post, it'd be insensible to applaud the effort. If, however, it clearly conveys the intended meaning, it works well enough for me :)

I don't see that limsy has any reason to feel insulted.
His contributions have certainly been valuable.
I see a lot of reason for him to be encouraged to do better :)

[badMania]

I don't see that limsy has any reason to feel insulted. His contributions have certainly been valuable.
I see a lot of reason for him to be encouraged to do better :)

Well said from the boss :) With this, I guess the thread has served its purpose since the India Open Final has long been concluded and the recent discussion (on stamina and Englis issue) has meandered off the original title?

Unless of course, we want to discuss more about the Indian Open Final ;)

[Oldhand]

Your hint is well taken.
Closed :)