as the thread title says it all.;)
who will win the sudirman cup this year?:confused:
to me , its going to be china and of course malaysia..:D dream on:p

Title-holder China is the strongest favourite, Indonesia as runner-up in last two edition becomes another candidate together with South Korea.

given up until i find the way to paste a excel table

I think CHN wud be too strong for the others, based on their strength in WS and WD plus homeground support. They just need 1 more point from either LD, FHF/CY or ZB/MJ. But expect close fights from KOREA and INDONESIA.
What? MAS ? I reserve my comments.:D:):eek::mad::crying: (mixed emotions)

I think CHN wud be too strong for the others, based on their strength in WS and WD plus homeground support. They just need 1 more point from either LD, FHF/CY or ZB/MJ. But expect close fights from KOREA and INDONESIA.
What? MAS ? I reserve my comments.:D:):eek::mad::crying: (mixed emotions)
Should be HHB/YY than ZM/MJ

china
if china didnt win this,then it will be a biggest upset in 2009(for me);)

The question should be "who is going to win the runner-up"?

Enjoy my prediction on the top five country. no offence!


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Enjoy my prediction on the top five country. no offence!


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Ops. i thought a table can be form. before i submit reply, it looks fine. anyway just ignore it.

This thread's look unique lor.

Btw, China's still strong enough to be defeated as a team.
As for Malaysia, Sudirman should be a good yardstick to identify a back-up player for LCW.
daren, Chun Seang, Arif, and Wei Feng will fight for the place in SUdirman Cup. I'll follow their results closely.

the TEAM GROUPING is out... (SOURCE: BWF website)

GROUP 1: CHINA INDONESIA ENGLAND KOREA DENMARK MALAYSIA HONG KONG JAPAN

GROUP 2: THAILAND SINGAPORE POLAND CHINESE TAIPEI GERMANY NETHELANDS RUSSIA FRANCE

GROUP 3: SWEDEN INDIA SCOTLAND USA CZECH REPUBLIC UKRAINE AUSTRALIA BULGARIA

GROUP 4: SWITZERLAND LITHUANIA SRI LANKA SOUTH AFRICA LUVEMBOURG PORTUGAL ICELAND TURKEY MONGOLIA PHILIPHINES

i should be realistic.. China is still the strongest, especially in WS & WD..
but i hope any country can break China domination..

I dont really have high hopes for Malaysia. I would rate them underdog. China and Ina is strong.

the TEAM GROUPING is out... (SOURCE: BWF website)

GROUP 1: CHINA INDONESIA ENGLAND KOREA DENMARK MALAYSIA HONG KONG JAPAN

GROUP 2: THAILAND SINGAPORE POLAND CHINESE TAIPEI GERMANY NETHELANDS RUSSIA FRANCE

GROUP 3: SWEDEN INDIA SCOTLAND USA CZECH REPUBLIC UKRAINE AUSTRALIA BULGARIA

GROUP 4: SWITZERLAND LITHUANIA SRI LANKA SOUTH AFRICA LUVEMBOURG PORTUGAL ICELAND TURKEY MONGOLIA PHILIPHINES

this is not group,this is division.;)
india should have no problem to promote to division 2

China better get this Cup in their home this May, otherwise LYB will be in big trouble.

The question should be "who is going to win the runner-up"?
Should we ask for a change of thread title then @_@?

In my opinion, I would rank Korea equally strong as IND, as follow:

Out of 5
DEN KOR MAS IND CHN
MS 4 3 5 4 5
MD 3 4 4 4 4
WS 4 3 2 2 5
WD 2 4 2 3 5
XD 3 4 2 5 4
---------------------------
16 18 15 18 23

Should we ask for a change of thread title then @_@?

Might as well...Sudirman Cup hasn't started but CHN name is getting engraved on the cup already...:D:p

China will win . These are the points they will get facing top teams:

China - Denmark : 3 points from MS, XD and WD. ( 2 points are fifty2 from WS and MD)

China - Indonesia: 3 points from MS, WS and WD. ( 1 points fifty2 from XD. MD goes to Indonesia)

China-Korea : 3 points from WS,MS and WD. ( Md had bigger chance and fifty2 from XD)

China-Malaysia : 3 points from WS,WD and XD. (MS had bigger chance and MD goes to Malaysia)

Maybe predicting who will become runner up will be more difficult.

Note: Though I predict, MD will be the weaker players in China team, but we all know how good CY/FHF when they are in the zone. And they will not even play MD if China win 3-0 from XD,MS and WS.

China is definitely not as strong as in 2007... WS is much weaker now. unless XXF is suddenly back in form, none of the WS has a big advantage over WMC or Maria Kristin, not to mention Tina Rasmussen.

China will win . These are the points they will get facing top teams:

China - Denmark : 3 points from MS, XD and WD. ( 2 points are fifty2 from WS and MD)

China - Indonesia: 3 points from MS, WS and WD. ( 1 points fifty2 from XD. MD goes to Indonesia)

China-Korea : 3 points from WS,MS and WD. ( Md had bigger chance and fifty2 from XD)

China-Malaysia : 3 points from WS,WD and XD. (MS had bigger chance and MD goes to Malaysia)

Maybe predicting who will become runner up will be more difficult.

Note: Though I predict, MD will be the weaker players in China team, but we all know how good CY/FHF when they are in the zone. And they will not even play MD if China win 3-0 from XD,MS and WS.

can i request a poll on this too?:)

China for sure
.........

No doubt, it going to be Chn. jusst look at the AE, they swept all 5 titles, Chn have the depth in all 5 events.

can i request a poll on this too?:)

George, dont need lah, its too obvious.....;)..Chn all the way....:p

George, dont need lah, its too obvious.....;)..Chn all the way....:p
but i'm hoping for upsets! upsets! and upsets!:D:D

No doubt, it going to be Chn. jusst look at the AE, they swept all 5 titles, Chn have the depth in all 5 events.

George, dont need lah, its too obvious.....;)..Chn all the way....:p

then why we still send team/squad there?acording to a bcer,this will waste TAXPAYER MONEY:crying:

China is definitely not as strong as in 2007... WS is much weaker now. unless XXF is suddenly back in form, none of the WS has a big advantage over WMC or Maria Kristin, not to mention Tina Rasmussen.
..with they way Wang "Xiao Mao" Yihan has dominated her competitions in the three recent European three tourneys, who do you think will pose any kind of threat to her or to CHN's WS lineup?? I think only some sort of injury or freak accident will derail CHN's WS squad.
Perhaps the upcoming BAC will be a good indicator/barometer??

I probably won't say "CHN is not as strong as in 2007". They are indeed still strong & the team to beat. Rather, I would say the competition field has been somewhat leveled now, with many more teams improving.

then why we still send team/squad there?acording to a bcer,this will waste TAXPAYER MONEY:crying:
and that money should be taken to help the poor instead:crying::(

..with they way Wang "Xiao Mao" Yihan has dominated her competitions in the three recent European three tourneys, who do you think will pose any kind of threat to her or to CHN's WS lineup??
inexperience, for one!

..overconfidence or taking their opponents lightly; might be a bit of pressure thrown in as eventhough it's a mixed team event, it's slightly different than an Uber Cup tourney (where CHN can employ 3 of its best WS players and 2 of its best WD pairs)..
In Sudirman Cup format, once you're selected, you're being relied upon to deliver a point for your team..:cool:

surely, MAL must be the hot favorite with 2 current WR no1 out of the 5 categories.
may be inexperience due to the fact that they had never won it before?
just checked, they had never in the final either.
checked again, not even the semi.
oh well, may be not then.

surely, MAL must be the hot favorite with 2 current WR no1 out of the 5 categories.
may be inexperience due to the fact that they had never won it before?
just checked, they had never in the final either.
checked again, not even the semi.
oh well, may be not then.

sure,and i dont even know what nation MAL is:eek:of course they wont be able to enter final or semis;)
ops,wait.2 world number one out of five categories?oh!:eek:
u mean MAS right?:confused:

surely, MAL must be the hot favorite with 2 current WR no1 out of the 5 categories.
may be inexperience due to the fact that they had never won it before?
just checked, they had never in the final either.
checked again, not even the semi.
oh well, may be not then.

Lee Chong Wei & who??????

Lee Chong Wei & who??????
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/ranking.asp?id=4

I dont know WPT/CEH is the world #1 now..
since they dont win title this year.

LCW and WONG PEI THY/CHIN EEI HUI...

hope that WMC can do her BEST...

I dont know WPT/CEH is the world #1 now..
since they dont win title this year.
Again, participations and sometimes showing good results.

Again, participations and sometimes showing good results.

nope,they didnt play in ko,go and india open;)
anyway,its becuase of others pair problem.;)

nope,they didnt play in ko,go and india open;)
anyway,its becuase of others pair problem.;)
Problems eh?
Injuries, unperformed..?

Problems eh?
Injuries, unperformed..?

nope,they need to defend their points but they failed.
wong/chin didnt perform well in the 1st quater of 2008;)
so,no problem of defend their points;)
and chin knee injury still didnt REALLY recover;)
so,did wong/chin didnt anything wrong?NO
anyone discredit?YES:rolleyes:

WPT/CEH have to prove us that they deserve WR #1 by winning superseries title or WC.

WPT/CEH have to prove us that they deserve WR #1 by winning superseries title or WC.

who win denmark open last year?:confused:

who win denmark open last year?:confused:
and who won the super series finale last year??:confused:;)

who win denmark open last year?:confused:

and who won the super series finale last year??:confused:;)
off course WPT/CEH won those.. i mean this year, they haven't proved something..
is it due to CEH injury?? Sudirman cup is coming..

who win denmark open last year?:confused:

and who won the super series finale last year??:confused:;)

If I were someone, I'd say that they won DEN SS 'coz no top CHN WD participating, and SS Final was a 'hollow victory.'
:p

If I were someone, I'd say that they won DEN SS 'coz no top CHN WD participating, and SS Final was a 'hollow victory.'
:p
and luckily you are not 'the one':p;)

off course WPT/CEH won those.. i mean this year, they haven't proved something..
is it due to CEH injury?? Sudirman cup is coming..

yes,just be able to train back this few days;)

If I were someone, I'd say that they won DEN SS 'coz no top CHN WD participating, and SS Final was a 'hollow victory.'
:p

let it be,hehe,used to it already;)

..with they way Wang "Xiao Mao" Yihan has dominated her competitions in the three recent European three tourneys, who do you think will pose any kind of threat to her or to CHN's WS lineup?? I think only some sort of injury or freak accident will derail CHN's WS squad.
Perhaps the upcoming BAC will be a good indicator/barometer??

I probably won't say "CHN is not as strong as in 2007". They are indeed still strong & the team to beat. Rather, I would say the competition field has been somewhat leveled now, with many more teams improving.
Team tournament outcome don't necessarily work the same way as SS.In AE09, TR was half dead by the time she played WYH but credit to her she still managed to stretch WYH to decider.In SC,TR will play WYHor any CHN WS on a 'fresh basis', ie no unfamiliar but strong opponent like JYJ to burn her out the day before.Similarly,LCW seems to have an advantage over LD on a 'fresh basis' in team events like TC08 and SC07 but trust that LD will be out to show LCW who's king in CHN.(Or CHN may field CL to face LCW just for fun if CHN is fully confident of their chances in 3 other events.)
I would say, on a fresh basis, only CHN WD is a sure point.The other events will depend on form on that day and surprise line up upsets.It will still be dangerous for CHN.No sure bet there.Remember, a team only has to win 3 events(not 4 or all) every round to be SC champion.On that premise, my guess for chances to win SC is:
CHN : 70%
KOR : 50%
DEN : 50%
MAS : 30%
MAS can only win with a creatively smart line-up strategy and their players in top form in the final stages (assuming they reach it)
Sorry, I don't think INA can win 3 out of 5 events when playing the above four teams but it'll be great for them to prove me wrong.

..i would also add, barring any injuries and/or freak accident to their top players, CHN's MS & WS are also sure points. And to resound from another thread, IMO, KOR has a slight advantage over DEN in challenging CHN (through their doubles), should they meet in the Semifinals or Finals round.

China is definitely not as strong as in 2007... WS is much weaker now. unless XXF is suddenly back in form, none of the WS has a big advantage over WMC or Maria Kristin, not to mention Tina Rasmussen.

Tina is the only one that can put up a real challenge to the Chinese woman squad. I don't see WMC and Maria have any realistic chance to upset the Chinese, they are hardly comparable to the top Chinese WS, XXF or not.

Or CHN may field CL to face LCW just for fun if CHN is fully confident of their chances in 3 other events.)

China will never play CL or any other teams will ever play their most inexperience player for a crucial matches if they still got three strong and capable players to win 1 point . Except if LD, BCL or CJ , all of them had injury, then China will play CL.

The fresh theory is not totally right. Yes, Tine R will not play lots of China players in this team event so she will not be too tired. But the stress level of playing individual and stress level to play team event are totally different.

Not to mention the pressure that she had to win. Cause even if Tine win against China WS, they are not guarantee will win over China. Not to mention if she lost, their team will 100% lost. So the burden will be huge specially if they met in SF or FInal.

China will win 3 points from MS, XD and WD against Denmark. And Denmark didnot had any guarantee points. Fifty - fifty from MD . And 48:52 from WS.

Tina is the only one that can put up a real challenge to the Chinese woman squad. I don't see WMC and Maria have any realistic chance to upset the Chinese, they are hardly comparable to the top Chinese WS, XXF or not.

I agree with you. Only Zhou Mi and Tine R can challenge Chinese WS squads now.

For other people who think that any other players can win against them, they are in denial.

Have they checked the results this year? Chinese WS win 4 titles from the 4 events they played this year. (When they send their top players)

Wang Yi Han win three from German, All England and Swiss O. And Zhu Lin win ABC. And only Tine R from denmark the only non China player in the AE final. Other three events were all China finals.

That was prove enough that even without XXF, China WS will dominate this year.

Note: So did China WD. They swept five titles from five events that they enter this year even when they did not sent DJ/YY and SC/ZYL at some of the events.

..i would also add, barring any injuries and/or freak accident to their top players, CHN's MS & WS are also sure points. And to resound from another thread, IMO, KOR has a slight advantage over DEN in challenging CHN (through their doubles), should they meet in the Semifinals or Finals round.
When I mentioned sure point for CHN WD, it is based on the fact that they have won all the WD titles since AE08 (when they lost it) regardless of which WD they field.That's not the case for CHN MS or WS for the past 12 months so they are not sure points.And non-CHN teams are still at the fast improving stage;CHN team is at the stage of stemming a decline so the gap is narrowing.In that kind of situation, match outcome depends much on form and the element of surprise to swing in favour of the underdogs.Sure,CHN has the advantage in MS and WS but no sure points like their WD.XD is open while MD is for CHN to upset.

CHN team is at the stage of stemming a decline so the gap is narrowing.
what on earth are you taking about? CHN won 12 out of the 15 titles in the 3 most recent SS since they came back from their winter training, average of 4/5 per tournament. and the team members are getting younger, say compare with OG08. how's that the gap is narrowing with CHN's 80% winning and the rest of the world combined with only 20%?

what on earth are you taking about? CHN won 12 out of the 15 titles in the 3 most recent SS since they came back from their winter training, average of 4/5 per tournament. and the team members are getting younger, say compare with OG08. how's that the gap is narrowing with CHN's 80% winning and the rest of the world combined with only 20%?
Our time frames are different. You look at CHN's most recent wins.I look at performance over the past 12 months.
Another criterion is the BWF rankings.Look who are the top 2 in MS now.In the past,CHN occupied the top spots across all categories except MD.See the difference?That's what I mean by stemming the decline.
The youngsters can win but they'll still be inconsistent for a while.

Fortunes are changing. LCW is learning the ropes fast. He will not be denied now - he knows what it takes to be a champion and to get the better of LD in the Swiss Open is only the start. There are more wins in the pipeline - no two ways about it.

If he had lost in the SWISS OPEN the story would have been different. But I guess you simply cannot put a champ down and LCW is all champion material.

If we like him now, we are going to love him more this year but if you hate him now, there is no telling what you will do when he gets going:D

Tina is the only one that can put up a real challenge to the Chinese woman squad. I don't see WMC and Maria have any realistic chance to upset the Chinese, they are hardly comparable to the top Chinese WS, XXF or not.

I think the Chinese WS is the most under-rated group among all events. If you look into the Chinese WS squad in recent performances, is hard to find someone who can actually challenge them besides Tine Rasmussen and Zhou Mi. Yes, Chinese WS are still young and may fluctuate in performance but I don't see anyone can actually beat them playing at their home court.
Is hard to see how Team China doesn't win the Sudirman Cup when you look at their representatives on every events, all top notch players with major titles in their bags. As much as I like to envy, I have to to say no one can beat this "Dream Team".
Glancing thru other challengers, Malaysia may be the one that can come close to challenge China besides Korea ... looking at all different angles, the upset is very unlikely and Team China shall win.
Just hope all challengers come out with good fight.

Our time frames are different. You look at CHN's most recent wins.I look at performance over the past 12 months.
Another criterion is the BWF rankings.Look who are the top 2 in MS now.In the past,CHN occupied the top spots across all categories except MD.See the difference?That's what I mean by stemming the decline.
The youngsters can win but they'll still be inconsistent for a while.
CHN players held most of the points in the ranking system making their drops in the rankings more rapid than those players who only consistently made 1/4's and semi's last year. That CHN doesn't occupy the top spots anymore has more to do with their lack of steady participation to protect their large point holdings than with them facing a decline.

WPT/CEH are a prime example. Are they #1? Sure. But they are #1 bc they were able to reach a bunch of semi's/finals in the latter half of 2008 which boosted their ranking while the points CHN women held completely disappeared. Watch them drop down the rankings again after August when they can't make the finals/semi's anymore bc China is participating again.

CHN players held most of the points in the ranking system making their drops in the rankings more rapid than those players who only consistently made 1/4's and semi's last year. That CHN doesn't occupy the top spots anymore has more to do with their lack of steady participation to protect their large point holdings than with them facing a decline.

WPT/CEH are a prime example. Are they #1? Sure. But they are #1 bc they were able to reach a bunch of semi's/finals in the latter half of 2008 which boosted their ranking while the points CHN women held completely disappeared. Watch them drop down the rankings again after August when they can't make the finals/semi's anymore bc China is participating again.
You have to ask why CHN opt out of tournaments.It's not because they want to but they have to.In the process, of course they lose out in the rankings.CHN may be able to get back the rankings they used to have or they may not. But between taking time out to properly train a whole team of youngsters and losing points,CHN reckons it better to put up with short term loss for long term gain.
BWF rankings do not necessarily reflect player prowess but they do affect title outcome through the luck of the draw.Most players depend on the draw to determine how far they can go;some players perform regardless.It will be interesting to see...CHN WD can own the title for good. It's the MS that will be worthy of suspense.

whatever it is, let's just wait and see:cool:

When I mentioned sure point for CHN WD, it is based on the fact that they have won all the WD titles since AE08 (when they lost it) regardless of which WD they field.That's not the case for CHN MS or WS for the past 12 months so they are not sure points.And non-CHN teams are still at the fast improving stage;CHN team is at the stage of stemming a decline so the gap is narrowing.In that kind of situation, match outcome depends much on form and the element of surprise to swing in favour of the underdogs.Sure,CHN has the advantage in MS and WS but no sure points like their WD.XD is open while MD is for CHN to upset.
..i still stand by my belief that MS and esp. WS, along with WD, are also sure pts for CHN. Last 12 months? Who won last yr's Uber Cup? Who won the Thomas Cup? Who won the Olympic's MS & WS title?:confused:
...
Another criterion is the BWF rankings.Look who are the top 2 in MS now.In the past,CHN occupied the top spots across all categories except MD.See the difference?That's what I mean by stemming the decline.
The youngsters can win but they'll still be inconsistent for a while.
..speaking of the BWF ranking, have you checked out BWF's ranking for WS?? Check out how many players with red flags are represented in the top 10? They might/seem to be in a "hibernation" mode but i don't think they are on the decline. Nor are their MS.
...
Glancing thru other challengers, Malaysia may be the one that can come close to challenge China besides Korea ... looking at all different angles, the upset is very unlikely and Team China shall win.
Just hope all challengers come out with good fight.
...IMO, MAS, INA and DEN are all clumped together after KOR.
...
WPT/CEH are a prime example. Are they #1? Sure. But they are #1 bc they were able to reach a bunch of semi's/finals in the latter half of 2008 which boosted their ranking while the points CHN women held completely disappeared. Watch them drop down the rankings again after August when they can't make the finals/semi's anymore bc China is participating again.
..tis true, WPT & CEH took advantage of CHN's WD army missing on quite a few tourneys late last yr. But now, looks like they are somewhat reaping their exerted effort.
You have to ask why CHN opt out of tournaments.It's not because they want to but they have to.In the process, of course they lose out in the rankings.CHN may be able to get back the rankings they used to have or they may not. But between taking time out to properly train a whole team of youngsters and losing points,CHN reckons it better to put up with short term loss for long term gain.
BWF rankings do not necessarily reflect player prowess but they do affect title outcome through the luck of the draw.Most players depend on the draw to determine how far they can go;some players perform regardless.It will be interesting to see...CHN WD can own the title for good. It's the MS that will be worthy of suspense.
..don't worry about CHN. They will be the one everyone else is chasing after, whether they're in "hibernation" mode or not..;)

..i still stand by my belief that MS and esp. WS, along with WD, are also sure pts for CHN. Last 12 months? Who won last yr's Uber Cup? Who won the Thomas Cup? Who won the Olympic's MS & WS title?:confused:

..speaking of the BWF ranking, have you checked out BWF's ranking for WS?? Check out how many players with red flags are represented in the top 10? They might/seem to be in a "hibernation" mode but i don't think they are on the decline. Nor are their MS.


..don't worry about CHN. They will be the one everyone else is chasing after, whether they're in "hibernation" mode or not..;)
You mean 3 tournaments represent 12 months? Or only the ones that count to you count? So what are the other tournaments for? To justify BWF's existence?
Red flags in the top 10? Used to be red flags in the top 3!!!
Standards' been slipping,that's why intensive training for all to achieve decent standards at the same time. Otherwise difficult to form strong relay teams.

You mean 3 tournaments represent 12 months? Or only the ones that count to you count? So what are the other tournaments for? To justify BWF's existence?
Red flags in the top 10? Used to be red flags in the top 3!!!
Standards' been slipping,that's why intensive training for all to achieve decent standards at the same time. Otherwise difficult to form strong relay teams.
The fact that China was at the top 3 in rankings and isnt anymore means nothing. They're still top 3 worthy and you know that, they just need to regain the points they lost from not having played. Give it some time and you'll see red flags in the top spots again.

Let's get it right -- this is a pendulum swing. Malaysia is now ahead in men singles and doubles - LCW is ahead today. LD has to catch up. Red flags are in the top spot but they are Malaysian red flags. :)

You mean 3 tournaments represent 12 months? Or only the ones that count to you count? So what are the other tournaments for? To justify BWF's existence?
Red flags in the top 10? Used to be red flags in the top 3!!!
Standards' been slipping,that's why intensive training for all to achieve decent standards at the same time. Otherwise difficult to form strong relay teams.
..it doesn't really matter whether CHN plays in 3 or 6 or 9 or 12 tourneys to justify their dominance. Do you know during the last few months of 2008, after the OG, how many CHN's top players were present in the rest of the tourneys??

Red flags in top 3 or top 10 or top 15 in the word, it doesn't really matter as CHN has the most representatives in the MS, WS & WD. Just because they are no longer in the top 3 or 4 or 5 is the reason to say they are no longer "dominant"??

CHN's standard has been slipping?? Eerr, do you remember what happened in this yr's All England??..I think that's proof enough of CHN's dominance...;):cool:

..it doesn't really matter whether CHN plays in 3 or 6 or 9 or 12 tourneys to justify their dominance. Do you know during the last few months of 2008, after the OG, how many CHN's top players were present in the rest of the tourneys??

Red flags in top 3 or top 10 or top 15 in the word, it doesn't really matter as CHN has the most representatives in the MS, WS & WD. Just because they are no longer in the top 3 or 4 or 5 is the reason to say they are no longer "dominant"??

CHN's standard has been slipping?? Eerr, do you remember what happened in this yr's All England??..I think that's proof enough of CHN's dominance...;):cool:
All England is proof enough of CHN's dominance?
And the dominance fell off a week later in Swiss Open.
Oh yes, do you remember TO08? CHN sweep for sure.That's dominance as well.

..can you check or make that double check again how many titles CHN actually won in this yr's Swiss Open-thanks & i appreciate it:)

Btw, what's TO08??Taipei Open?? Thailand Open??

I don't know, for some reason some people seem to not acknowledge CHN's overall team dominance, even if they fail to sweep any tourneys. As a matter of fact, they've won **at least** 3 titles per tourney, in about at least 90% of the tourneys they've attended, in the past 2-3 yrs. If i were one of them doubters abt CHN's team dominance, i'd just accept the fact and move on. :cool:

It is sad that even the other badminton powerhouses cannot come close to China in this SC in their own capacity, that's what most of us believe. They have to fight for the number 2 title. :rolleyes:

Do you think if they all put their heads together and put up a combined "Rest of the World Team" to challenge China they might win?

Who should be in this World Team line-up worthy enough to wrestle the crown from China? Select only the best players from any country.

Pick your choice for the World Team versus China in this SC. Support with your reason if you have one. :D

It is sad that even the other badminton powerhouses cannot come close to China in this SC in their own capacity, that's what most of us believe. They have to fight for the number 2 title. :rolleyes:

Do you think if they all put their heads together and put up a combined "Rest of the World Team" to challenge China they might win?

Who should be in this World Team line-up worthy enough to wrestle the crown from China? Select only the best players from any country.

Pick your choice for the World Team versus China in this SC. Support with your reason if you have one. :D
very good idea just for fun. to follow the SC format but with 2 or even 3 matches for each, ie 3 MS, 3MD etc. and just like the ryder's cup you dont have play your nos 1 against each other, that will be the captain's choice/tactics.

Title-holder China is the strongest favourite, Indonesia as runner-up in last two edition becomes another candidate together with South Korea.


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It is reported that TH will not be in the INA team for the Sudirman Cup 2009 competition. SDK will be the first MS choice. No doubt he is good but lately he has been troubled by backaches. The WD pairing of VM and LN has also been dismantled. Although I root for INA to do well, I still think it is difficult for it to finish as runner-up.

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Do you think if they all put their heads together and put up a combined "Rest of the World Team" to challenge China they might win?


Uncle Loh, i've heard a BCer suggested this before. Don't remember when.
Is this idea developing now? :cool:

I don't know if Ryder Cup style is applicable for Badminton. They had started as an exhibition match. Let's try a step at a time.

Uncle Loh, i've heard a BCer suggested this before. Don't remember when.
Is this idea developing now? :cool:

I don't know if Ryder Cup style is applicable for Badminton. They had started as an exhibition match. Let's try a step at a time.

Yes now that Alan has mentioned it, we have something like the Ryder Cup in golf. However, the Ryder Cup is a men's team event with US versus the rest of the world.

Since China is so strong as a mixed team, and there seems to be no chance at all for the other countries to snatch the title from China, why not figure out a non-China team making up the best from the rest of world to match China's players in MS, MD, WS, WD and XD. This is just for the fun of it.

Do you think there are non-China players who can beat the China players in this Sudirman Cup? There will be some, depending on how and who China will field their players for the entire series.

For example, my choice for the Rest of the World (ROW) Team comes from:

MS: LCW, PG, PSH, Sony,
WS: TR, ZM, PHY, WC ... etc for the rest of the events

If any of the above players win any of their matches against China, 1 point for the ROW Team, 0 point for China and vice versa.

At the end of the series, we can add up the points for China and ROW to see who has scored the most points in total.

I hope ROW can score more points to prove that China can be defeated. Otherwise, it will be a China domination for many more years to come.

Do you think it is worth a try? :rolleyes:



WS: TR, Pi,

This year SC date is near to the 1st Anniversary of Sze-Chuan Earthquakes.
Lets hopes BWF can organized a charity match between china versus the Rest of World.
Win or loss it does not matter as The ticket sales of this match will be channel towards the victims in SzeChuan. The ideal dates will be 2-3 days before the start of SC. By that time, most of the teams will be arrived in GuangZhou and the players who join this match can take it as match practice to familiar themselve with the court condition etc...
Hopes most of the top players agreed to join that match to shows their support. If the match was arranged in purpose to determine "how strong the China Team was" - I believed most of the other teams won't sent their best cards . No points to share the responsiblitiy to make a powehouse becomes more ego. But this is a charity match, everyone should contributes if invited.

My ideal Match Line-ups will be as belows :

XD = LYD/LHJ vs ZB/MJ
MS = LCW vs LD
WS = PI vs ZN
MD = MK/HS vs FHY/CY
WD = (Danes/ENG pair) vs GL/ZYW

..can you check or make that double check again how many titles CHN actually won in this yr's Swiss Open-thanks & i appreciate it:)

Btw, what's TO08??Taipei Open?? Thailand Open??

I don't know, for some reason some people seem to not acknowledge CHN's overall team dominance, even if they fail to sweep any tourneys. As a matter of fact, they've won **at least** 3 titles per tourney, in about at least 90% of the tourneys they've attended, in the past 2-3 yrs. If i were one of them doubters abt CHN's team dominance, i'd just accept the fact and move on. :cool:
Depends on how one looks at dominance.
To me, it means achieving 90% wins:
1) A country sweeping all 5 titles at least 90% of their participation
2) A country winning an event at least 90% of their participation (possibly CHN WD)
3) A country sweeping all 5 titles at least 90% of the SS,GPG,Olympics,WC,etc (ie by tournament category)
4) A country sweeping an event at least 90% of the SS,etc

Dominance is such a open definition.No one has to agree with your definition or mine.What is important is you qualify it so others can understand what you mean.Now at least you understand why I don't see CHN as dominant except WD.
However,if you do a trend analysis starting from when LD first became WR1 and based on your definition, you may be able to see that CHN's dominance is less than before.(I may be wrong but you can check it out.)

For the first part, how realistic of a percentage is that?? 90%??
If other top countries can't even muster a 40% winning percentage (of winning titles/event or per their participating event), how does one expect CHN to win have a 90% percentage??
If one is to say, CHN usually wins 3 out 5 titles per given tourney, now, i would say that's about as close to a 90% chance they have.

Dominance for me is to have a 60% winning percentage (3 out 5 titles/event). That's more realistic. And, btw, that's roughly the avg. no. of titles team CHN usually gets when their top players/full team is participating.
LD was no.1 from roughly 2004 til 2008. During that time I don't see their squad being "less dominant". Examples: 2 Sudirman Cup titles, 2 Thomas & Uber Cup titles in their cabinet trophy. And i'm sure you guys know the rest.

Tina is the only one that can put up a real challenge to the Chinese woman squad. I don't see WMC and Maria have any realistic chance to upset the Chinese, they are hardly comparable to the top Chinese WS, XXF or not.
I was just wandering if:):):) you play the sport and if you are aware of any badminton club in scarborough that play on the weekend.I will appreciate it if you have any info that you can pass on.Thank You

Depends on how one looks at dominance.
To me, it means achieving 90% wins:
1) A country sweeping all 5 titles at least 90% of their participation
2) A country winning an event at least 90% of their participation (possibly CHN WD)
3) A country sweeping all 5 titles at least 90% of the SS,GPG,Olympics,WC,etc (ie by tournament category)
4) A country sweeping an event at least 90% of the SS,etc
for team domination we obviously needed to look at the team events. In 2005, CHN was the holder of all 3 team competitions, i.e. TC, UC and SC. none of the other nations ever achieved that before or since. guess what, CHN done it again in 2007 with all 3 titles concurrently. if they perform as expected next month that I've no doubt that they will do it again.
that's what I called total domination!

for team domination we obviously needed to look at the team events. In 2005, CHN was the holder of all 3 team competitions, i.e. TC, UC and SC. none of the other nations ever achieved that before or since. guess what, CHN done it again in 2007 with all 3 titles concurrently. if they perform as expected next month that I've no doubt that they will do it again.
that's what I called total domination!
Spot on!
Agree totally.
CHN is dominant in team tournaments so far.(SC in odd years;TC and UC in even years.)

With CHN consistantly winning 3 titles or more from current SS events, chances of winning for "the rest of the world" vs CHN - playing in CHN - is lower than the host.

even if China playing their lowest rank player in their current team,, they can beat malaysia
MS : Chen Long vs LCW : 0 - 1 for malaysia
WS : WYH vs WMC :1 - 1
MD : whoever vs KKK/TBH: 1 - 2
WD: PP/ TQ vs WPT/CEH ; 2 - 2
XD: ZB / MJ vs whoever : 3 - 2 for CHINA


and of course CHINA is my favorite...

I know that 2009's Sudirman Cup will be the hardest one for Indonesia but as an Indonesian I still hope and pray with full speed that Indonesia will again win. doesn't really matter with luck, or talented young gun(s) that the team has.

20 years had passed and Indonesia still couldn't take the trophy back again to Cipayung.

well to be sure, if I go betting, I will put China in my top list. They will win it again. trust me..

All England is proof enough of CHN's dominance?
And the dominance fell off a week later in Swiss Open.

Sure, let me add, follow that, CHN player did not even get to quarter final in New York Open, because they did not even participate.

Well, sure, if every single tourny counts with "equal weight" in the world, then we have many other candidates in the world can be "dominate".

Myself get into at least semi final 4 years in a row in local tournament, and I do not think even TH or LCW accomplished such fate. So, if I consider my local tourny's level as the same level as AE, WC, OG, etc, I should be one of the greatest as well. :D

Enjoy my prediction on the top five country. no offence!


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Malaysian men’s singles for the 2009 Sudirman Cup Tournament comprise Lee Chong Wei and Tan Chung Siang, a back-up player.
This is not surprising as the two national players, MHH and KBH have been inconsistent and WCH is no longer in the national team.
It is hoped that the overall Malaysian selection for the 2009 Sudirman Cup Tournament will bring back a medal of any colour for Malaysia. Malaysia boleh!

:):):):):):):):):):):):)

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Indonesia can win.
but china will win. again.

and, after 20 years, china still reign, and badminton is no longer exist.
come on, we need some break through!
new champion!

just 1 thing..
hope the umpire and the line judges will be clean and fair;)

just 1 thing..
hope the umpire and the line judges will be clean and fair;)

Yes, lets hope, no more controversial......:mad:

I believe the official name of the tournament is 'Li Ning 2009 Sudirman Cup'. This may be one of many major tournaments in which Yonex won't be sponsoring.

I believe the official name of the tournament is 'Li Ning 2009 Sudirman Cup'. This may be one of many major tournaments in which Yonex won't be sponsoring.
But i saw just 1 Yonex sign board beside the court just now;)
maybe Yonex is as usual sponsoring the Court mat and the shuttle;)

I think South Korea does have a chance to win against China.
I mean, I don't doubt that China is a strong team. But I think if they win, they would probably win 3-5 games, not totally dominating entire time.

MS: China
WS: China
MD: Korea might have an edge (JJS-LYD team is pretty solid)
XD: Korea (LHJ-LYD is #2 in the world right now)
WD: depending on the condition of the players that day.

So I think it's pretty a fair game.

Badminton Sudirman Cup all about second place
By: AFP

Published: 10/05/2009 at 08:56 AM It is a measure of China's supreme domination of world badminton that the real interest in the upcoming 2009 Sudirman Cup is not about who will win the prestigious tournament, but who will come second.

A Chinese fan is seen watching 2007 Sudirman Cup, in Glasgow, United Kingdom. The world team championships, which take place every two years, start Sunday in the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou with the hosts virtually guaranteed to lift the trophy for a seventh time in front of a partisan crowd.
The world team championships, which take place every two years, start Sunday in the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou with the hosts virtually guaranteed to lift the trophy for a seventh time in front of a partisan crowd.

Including China, 34 sides are taking part, but the structure of the mixed teams event is such that only eight of them can win the trophy, with the rest playing for points and national pride, but no money.

South Korea, Indonesia and Malaysia are most likely to get closest to China, ensuring a strong showing from Asia.

The Koreans, who won the cup in 2003, are possibly best equipped to get anywhere near the hosts, but will be relying on their strong doubles teams more than their singles players.

It was their doubles players who took them to victory in 2003 when they became the last country other than China to lift the Sudirman Cup.

Malaysia, meanwhile, will be led by world men's number one Lee Chong Wei, who has told his teammates he cannot be expected to go it alone.

"My intention is to remain unbeaten in team events but it should not be a solitary effort. I want to see my teammates giving their best so that we can reach the semi-finals," he was quoted as saying by The New Straits Times.

"I will go all out to give a winning start in every tie as this will ease the pressure on my teammates and they can perform better.

"It has to be a team effort and if we fail to reach the semis, there will be no joy even if I end up unbeaten."

Traditionally competitive, Indonesia have been talking up their chances despite appearing under-strength for the competition, with Indonesian Badminton Association chairman Djoko Santoso even saying they could win it outright.

"We aim to bring the Sudirman Cup back to the country," he was quoted as saying by the Jakarta Post on Wednesday.

"We realise rivalries among badminton-playing countries have escalated, while we have not shown great achievements in the Super Series tournaments," he said.

"It's time for us to focus and concentrate on winning."

Denmark, the nominal top seeds, ought to be the strongest of the non-Asian sides in the competition, although they will be missing world women's number one Tine Rasmussen, out with a heel injury.

None of which will concern home fans at the French-designed state-of-the-art Guangzhou Gymnasium, who will fully expect China to demolish all in their path on their way to retaining the trophy.

As usual, Lee Chong Wei's great rival Lin Dan will be the focus of the home fans' adulation, although China will be strong across the board despite not having their full array of shuttlers at their disposal.

At the other end of the spectrum, badminton minnows Lithuania, Luxembourg and Philippines are among those battling it out for points and respectability in the fourth and bottom tier of the tournament.

The Sudirman Cup runs May 10-17.

whats the link to this news article?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/10052009/3/badminton-sudirman-cup-second-place.html

I believe the official name of the tournament is 'Li Ning 2009 Sudirman Cup'. This may be one of many major tournaments in which Yonex won't be sponsoring.
But i saw just 1 Yonex sign board beside the court just now;)
maybe Yonex is as usual sponsoring the Court mat and the shuttle;)
(maybe this response should belong in the "The Role of Yonex" thread??..)
..IMO, what'll make it more beneficial for the sport is for Li-Ning and Yonex and perhaps other sponsors to work together & help in the growth of badminton globally. It's great for Li-Ning to jump in and put their name, in front of the Sudirman Cup, and become the main sponsor for this tourney.
But looking at it from an overall perspective, what happens after this event is even more important.
- How can Li-Ning, along with Yonex, help badminton grow?
- Can the presence of Li-Ning and other major brands help to promote and perhaps double the Super Series's prize money, say from $200,000 to $400,000 or even half a million for a SS? Or will it stay the same, with the same amt of prize money??
This is what badminton needs.:cool:

In Group 1 A,

KOR and DEN sailed through their first round at the expense of MAS and HKG respectively, with identical scores of 3-2. MAS must win their next encounter against HKG today to stay in contention as they will have to meet DEN on 14 May. If KOR can beat DEN tomorrow, which they should, then KOR should be the group winner and move on as HKG should be weaker when they meet on 13 May.

So it will likely be a fight between MAS and DEN to ascertain who will join KOR in the semi finals on 16 May. Will MAS be able to win 3 matches ? Can DEN's Peter Gade stop LCW or their MD pair prevent KKK/TBH from winning. The XD seems to favour DEN but the WS should be in MAS's favour since Tine Rasmussen is injured. So the WD will become crucial.

In Group 1B,

INA disposed of JPN 4-1 and CHN completely knocked out ENG 5-0. Chances are these two winners will move on to the semis with CHN heading the group.

So Group 1A appears to be more exciting and will keep fans in suspense throughout. :D

(maybe this response should belong in the "The Role of Yonex" thread??..)
..IMO, what'll make it more beneficial for the sport is for Li-Ning and Yonex and perhaps other sponsors to work together & help in the growth of badminton globally. It's great for Li-Ning to jump in and put their name, in front of the Sudirman Cup, and become the main sponsor for this tourney.
But looking at it from an overall perspective, what happens after this event is even more important.
- How can Li-Ning, along with Yonex, help badminton grow?
- Can the presence of Li-Ning and other major brands help to promote and perhaps double the Super Series's prize money, say from $200,000 to $400,000 or even half a million for a SS? Or will it stay the same, with the same amt of prize money??
This is what badminton needs.:cool:
i see 'phiten' advertisement board in the stadium too:cool:

fu hai feng seems to be packing more punch with his new li ning racket and cai yun too has been constantly improving for the past year. haha they will single handedly win the sudirman cup lol... i rejoice over lyd's double victory over kkk haha mr im so cocky got put in his place...

I think China will retain their tittle again. Their Sudirman Cup team seems to be so so solid.