Hi all,

We have made 3 small changes to the forum.

1) we added an Injury forum. Injuries has been a recurring topic in the General Forum for a while now. Since it is of great concern to the ones involved, it makes sense to separate out the discussion. however, we would also like to point out is that the forum is mainly for sharing of experience, for proper treatment it is vital that everyone seeks the opinion of a doctor.

2) we have also added a Grip forum. moving threads here will make the equipment forums more organized and information easier to browse.

3) we have made the default sorting in the Buy & Sell forum to be thread start time based. this is a more sensible sorting criteria for the nature of the forum, as well as it should prevent people from cluttering the forum with "bumping" posts.

cheers.

two more changes:

4) i added a forum for posting broken rackets

5) i added a forum to identify and discuss fake rackets

..will there be a sticky thread to show how people can identify fake Yonex rackets simply by looking at the Yonex's Cone Code??..that missing BC article which a few BCers have asked its whereabouts??..
http://web.archive.org/web/20040905023205/www.badmintoncentral.com/badminton-central/content/view/78/26/

The forum is getting more organized.:cool:

And I thought this forum couldn't get any better :D

And I thought this forum couldn't get any better :D

I tooam quite surprised :)

..the all-important "Bag" review section has been added..

two more changes:

4) i added a forum for posting broken rackets

5) i added a forum to identify and discuss fake rackets


Good ideas, all of the additions have made things easier to find. The only thing I would say is, navigation of the forum is taking me a bit longer now. I used to know where things were and now the layout of the "main" forum page has changed and thrown me a bit. I'm sure I'll get back up to speed soon lol.

..the all-important "Bag" review section has been added..

yes yes. now i think the Equipment section is "complete" with sub-categories.

I noticed the changes when I tried to bump my ads a few days ago.
Wondered why. Now this is official.
Great changes and I'm impressed.
It's all for good. :):)

two more changes:

4) i added a forum for posting broken rackets

5) i added a forum to identify and discuss fake rackets

Captain, how about creating a forum for 'Current Events'?

Captain, how about creating a forum for 'Current Events'?

what are examples for current events? is it badminton related?

what are examples for current events? is it badminton related?

Not badminton related. It should be parked at the Lounge section. Examples of current events i.e. "North Korea booting out UN inspectors & restarting nuclear programme", "Earthquake in Italy", "Wedding bells for Fann Wong & Christopher Lee", "Somali Pirates" etc.

..where all non-badminton chit-chats/discussions/postings/ramblings/rants are clumped together??..

..where all non-badminton chit-chats/discussions/postings/ramblings/rants are clumped together??..
Good god!
Our Chit Chat's = Rambling and rants, huh?

That's why you are not familiar there, or do you?

.
Sometimes, it's great to have a break away from Badminton related topics at Badminton Central. However, IMHO, topics about politics and religions should not be included. There are many other Forum Sites created for these types of topics.
.

Whats wrong with discussing politics or religions?? I think as long as we discuss/debate it in a civil and objective manner whats wrong with it? I mean we are not living in the middle ages, its 2009 by the way.

This is a forum, yes a badminton forum no doubt however we do have a Lounge section for topics other than badminton. If someone can create a thread to discuss Women's Menstrual Cycle, whats wrong with politics, social, economic issues? Furthermore, these issues effect us in our daily lives.

Whats wrong with discussing politics or religions?? I think as long as we discuss/debate it in a civil and objective manner whats wrong with it? I mean we are not living in the middle ages, its 2009 by the way.

This is a forum, yes a badminton forum no doubt however we do have a Lounge section for topics other than badminton. If someone can create a thread to discuss Women's Menstrual Cycle, whats wrong with politics, social, economic issues? Furthermore, these issues effect us in our daily lives.

unfortunately, politics and religion will never be discussed in a civil manner. that's the nature of the topic. be it 1618 or 2009, it will be the same. look, you guys cannot even discuss plastic/feather in a civil and respectful manner, i will hate to see religion be mixed into the forum.

so the rule will stay the same. politics and religious discussions will not be allowed. if you prefer to talk about those topics, there are other forums in the cyberspace that are more tailored and manned to deal with the fallout.

unfortunately, politics and religion will never be discussed in a civil manner. that's the nature of the topic. be it 1618 or 2009, it will be the same. look, you guys cannot even discuss plastic/feather in a civil and respectful manner, i will hate to see religion be mixed into the forum.

so the rule will stay the same. politics and religious discussions will not be allowed. if you prefer to talk about those topics, there are other forums in the cyberspace that are more tailored and manned to deal with the fallout.

If it is 1618, I be lynched by the Boleh mob. :o

unfortunately, politics and religion will never be discussed in a civil manner. that's the nature of the topic. be it 1618 or 2009, it will be the same. look, you guys cannot even discuss plastic/feather in a civil and respectful manner, i will hate to see religion be mixed into the forum.

so the rule will stay the same. politics and religious discussions will not be allowed. if you prefer to talk about those topics, there are other forums in the cyberspace that are more tailored and manned to deal with the fallout.

Yes, please not another politics and religion discussion forum. It will kill this website. Go ply your politics and religion discussions elsewhere.

Good decision No.1.

Yes, please not another politics and religion discussion forum. It will kill this website. Go ply your politics and religion discussions elsewhere.

Good decision No.1.
agree, let those who wanna discuss the politics and religion discussion play elsewhere.;)

Wait a minute .... current events = politics/religion??? :o:o

unfortunately, politics and religion will never be discussed in a civil manner. that's the nature of the topic. be it 1618 or 2009, it will be the same. look, you guys cannot even discuss plastic/feather in a civil and respectful manner, i will hate to see religion be mixed into the forum.

so the rule will stay the same. politics and religious discussions will not be allowed. if you prefer to talk about those topics, there are other forums in the cyberspace that are more tailored and manned to deal with the fallout.

agree
;)

agree, let those who wanna discuss the politics and religion discussion play elsewhere.;)



.
If we have Badminton related topics, then it should be OK. This is because Badminton Central is a place where we share info about Badminton.

In the past, we have discussed several topics on politics and religion, for example;

On politics, we have talked about:
* BWF (election of officers)
* Russian Badminton Federation (court case)
* USA-Iran relations (Badminton diplomacy)
* etc...

On religious practice:
* How some players manage to play during their religious fasting period
* How some players manage to play wearing religious headcovering/clothing
* Why some players are taking a break during a Badminton game to pray
* etc...

In all of the above discussions/threads, we were talking about Badminton first. And they were not intended to offend others. They were good hearted discussions and information on how Badminton is run/played worldwide.

IMHO, any thread that has extreme negativity and rudeness will usually cause raging disagreements/conflicts amongst us here at BC.
.

Chris, I am 100% certain neither you, Datuk Punch, Li Yongbo nor everybody else on BC does badminton 24/7. Furthermore, Pemuda did point out one very important distinction about Chit-Chat compared to the other forums on the board:

Come here for all off-topic discussions!Do you not think the issue here is not so much about what topic being discussed rather than the conduct of the participants?

I think off topics that aren't political and stuff, like natural disasters, random kid becomes a dad at age 10, etc are already in the chit-chat forum, and everybody is ok with it.

Do you not think the issue here is not so much about what topic being discussed rather than the conduct of the participants?

Errr, that's one of the points Kwun stated : "look, you guys cannot even discuss plastic/feather in a civil and respectful manner, i will hate to see religion be mixed into the forum."

There're dozens of forums focusing on politics, religion, etc, which also have a variety sub topics to be discussed (i.e. many choices to pick). One can always go to those forums to discuss those topics - in english, malay or chinese also can. :D

BC, let it be more on baddy than other topics. Considering how highly charged discussion on politics & religion can get,they can very quickly overshadow the baddy threads. Not to mention many locked threads, bans, more headache for our mods :p.
And frankly, I'm sick of politics topics that's already discussed everywhere by everyone, 7 days a week, many hours in a day.;).

I think off topics that aren't political and stuff, like natural disasters, random kid becomes a dad at age 10, etc are already in the chit-chat forum, and everybody is ok with it.

yes. that's correct. current events are fine. just don't include politics, religion, and also sexual, racial discussion are also controversial topics that are not allowed.

Chris, I am 100% certain neither you, Datuk Punch, Li Yongbo nor everybody else on BC does badminton 24/7. Furthermore, Pemuda did point out one very important distinction about Chit-Chat compared to the other forums on the board:

Do you not think the issue here is not so much about what topic being discussed rather than the conduct of the participants?

it is about the unavoidable inevitable eventual conduct of the participants. rather than putting two opposing mobs into a room and have them killed off each other and scaring away every other occupants, we don't allow them in to prevent the bloodshed from happening. for the best interests of other members who actually enjoy badminton topics, this is the rule.

again, for those who do like to participate in those types of discussions, we encourage you to visit other forums, it is quite easy to google, i found a few for you:

www.religiousforums.com
www.politicsforum.org

they are only a click away. they look very thriving with people of the respective interests.

...
again, for those who do like to participate in those types of discussions, we encourage you to visit other forums, it is quite easy to google, i found a few for you:

www.religiousforums.com
www.politicsforum.org
...
..and to my surprise:
-The politics forum has like at least 30 different moderators. One for each sub-forum..:eek:
-And the one for religious forum, interestingly, i saw a "Politics" sub-forum created in there...and i counted, there are **at least** 30 moderators...:eek:

I don't know how they do it, but i must give the moderators, in those sites, 4 thumbs up for keeping everything so civil in there..:p:cool:

Considering the changes to the buy/sell forum sorting, I think I prefer the old style since it was easier to find active sales and only rarely were finished sales bumped up. However, right now we see a lot of active sales which are hidden under lots of other threads which are already inactive, and it's really hard to find out what is actually still on sale. Just my opinion.

Chris, I am 100% certain neither you, Datuk Punch, Li Yongbo nor everybody else on BC does badminton 24/7. Furthermore, Pemuda did point out one very important distinction about Chit-Chat compared to the other forums on the board:

Do you not think the issue here is not so much about what topic being discussed rather than the conduct of the participants?



.
Yes, the conduct of our participants here at BC does affect me.

I join Badminton Central for 2 main reasons.

(1) I appreciate our BCers posting info and news about Badminton. It is great to find the latest Badminton info/news here at BC everyday. And it's great to talk about these info/news with fellow BCers.

(2) I use BC to communicate with our fellow Badminton club members. Hundreds of our club members are BCers. In fact, our CCC Badminton Club is now the leading club at BC (in terms of participants/postings): click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56653)

What topic or thread created here at Badminton Central, I have no say. It is up to our BC moderators to decide whether to promote it, to close it or to let it be.

However, I do get annoyed when I see some BCers making comments not related to the topic of the thread (be it Badminton or not). I am learning to ignore these 'off topic' posts.

Our BC 'Lounge Section' is where we relax. In fact, I have started several threads there.
They include:
* Seasonal Greetings
* Birthday Calculator
* Email Scams
* Songs
* etc ...

IMHO, if political and religious threads were to be allowed in the 'Lounge Section', then the section would become more serious, therefore taking away the relaxing atmosphere that it now has.

Anyway, this is just my opinion.

:):):)
.

Um, this post (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1151225&postcount=1044) seems equally relevant in this thread.

And frankly, I'm sick of politics topics that's already discussed everywhere by everyone, 7 days a week, many hours in a day.;).

Yes kak... daily input of those topics definitely causing heavy migraine :( .... BC supposed to be a place to relax and talk about baddy... and chit-chat lounge for other relaxing matters ... imagine me has to deal with my dad when I want to listen to Aznil/Din Beramboi@Era.fm and he's controlling the remote for more of Awani/Bernama instead :crying:

It'd be best if we steered our discussions away from these topics:
Politics, Religion, Income, S e x, Origins (Race) and Nationality
(An apt mnemonic for these dispute-ridden subjects is P-R-I-S-O-N ;))
Is that an attempt at humour or a thinly veiled threat? ;)

Either way boss kwun's words are law.

Hopefully this law will be applied consistently and with wisdom as sometimes kneejerk responses are just as bad as a wrong one - I'm referring to some threads that were prematurely locked when they held so much potential for discussions that are generally apolitical in nature.

That is why you have and need moderators - they aren't there just to pick up rubbish and punish offenders - they are to moderate discussions in a fair manner.

...... I'm referring to some threads that were prematurely locked when they held so much potential for discussions that are generally apolitical in nature.

That is why you have and need moderators - they aren't there just to pick up rubbish and punish offenders - they are to moderate discussions in a fair manner.



.
Some threads were prematurely locked/closed because our BCers were fighting and attacking each other personally, nationally and culturally, instead of agreeing to disagree.

This thread is a good reminder for us to realise what we have done wrong: click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50361)

:):):)
.

Wait a minute .... current events = politics/religion??? :o:o

Dude, chill & go try out other forums... this is only a badminton forum...
the way you make it sound like its a part of your life.. lol... :D

we added an Injury forum. Injuries has been a recurring topic in the General Forum for a while now. Since it is of great concern to the ones involved, it makes sense to separate out the discussion. however, we would also like to point out is that the forum is mainly for sharing of experience, for proper treatment it is vital that everyone seeks the opinion of a doctor..
__________________________________________________ _________

3) we have made the default sorting in the Buy & Sell forum to be thread start time based. this is a more sensible sorting criteria for the nature of the forum, as well as it should prevent people from cluttering the forum with "bumping" posts.

having only recently uploaded something to Buy&sell since a long time, I must say this is somewhat undesirable...
In the 'old' setting the sold rackets eventually just faded to the back rows of the page and all the available stuff and new stuff stayed on page 1.
With the new setting, If you have a thread selling more than 1 item, chances are your post will fade into the background (and getting a lot less views) before you sell more than 1.

In this setting, what can a seller/buyer do when their thread isn't answered and it's on page 3? You still have stuff you don't use, or stuff you need (FS, WTB, WTT, whatever) But nobody is answering, maybe next week a buyer will stumble onto the forum, but will he check page 3?:rolleyes:

Just my thoughts (I hope I wasn't too incoherent)

...
In the 'old' setting the sold rackets eventually just faded to the back rows of the page and all the available stuff and new stuff stayed on page 1.
...
..i was thinking, how abt if those threads are deleted?? Because once the item(s) is sold and thread is locked, what good would it do to stay in the Buy/Sell sub-forum/section??..By doing that, it'll also "bump up" all the threads which have items still available. Lessen the number of pages, as well.

..i was thinking, how abt if those threads are deleted?? Because once the item(s) is sold and thread is locked, what good would it do to stay in the Buy/Sell sub-forum/section??.

The advantage of having the sold items still there is that buyers can search to see how much a desired racket has sold for in the past, and how often one comes up for sale. The sellers can also get a clue on fair pricing.

Sellers should strongly consider making a separate thread for each racket they are selling. It is tedious to scroll through 30 posts to see if the one racket you are keen on is still available from a long list on the thread title.

..having lots of threads and then having them buried a few pages back.
Also, if a SOTX7 was sold in 2005 and then there's another SOTX7 thread selling it last yr, are we still comparing the price sold in 2005??..:confused:..Maybe threads showing the latest and greatest price should only be kept??..:confused:

..i just checked in the Buy/Sell sub-forum/section, the oldest posted thread was made in late (Dec) 2007; not too long. But indeed, there are threads which haven't been touched, replied for quite a while. I wonder if the thread creator is even aware of what s/he is still selling?? or if the seller is still active in BC??..:eek::confused:

..having lots of threads and then having them buried a few pages back.
Also, if a SOTX7 was sold in 2005 and then there's another SOTX7 thread selling it last yr, are we still comparing the price sold in 2005??..:confused:..Maybe threads showing the latest and greatest price should only be kept??..:confused:
i have always in my mind that you are the "King of Search" :)
if i want to buy SOTX 7, what is the best way for me to look out for it?

Considering the changes to the buy/sell forum sorting, I think I prefer the old style since it was easier to find active sales and only rarely were finished sales bumped up. However, right now we see a lot of active sales which are hidden under lots of other threads which are already inactive, and it's really hard to find out what is actually still on sale. Just my opinion.
Haha, I said that already:p:p.

It's true though, what's important are active sales, not recent ones, so the bump is crucial to making sure that active sale remain on the front page.

i have always in my mind that you are the "King of Search" :)
if i want to buy SOTX 7, what is the best way for me to look out for it?
..since i don't want to be banned..:(

2 simple steps:
First, you need to click on the almost unnoticeable "Search" icon near the top of this page.
Second, once a box pops up, you then type "SOTX 7 For Sale" because if you just type "SOTX 7", it'll bring out tens of pages. You then click the "Go" button & you should hopefully see a list of threads per your query.
:cool:

Haha, I said that already:p:p.

It's true though, what's important are active sales, not recent ones, so the bump is crucial to making sure that active sale remain on the front page.
I absolutely agree, It's the coherent version of my exact thoughts:p

Now, I can live with the new setting, as long as nobody bans me for re-posting a thread:rolleyes:

A suggestion (does this belong here?)

What people generally disliked about the old system was 1 thread, with 15 replies to it, out of which 13 where just a bump (made by the thread starter).

Now, what if you gave the thread-starter the option to delete his own replies in that thread? That way, you'll still have a bump-function, but no more threads cluttered with posts... Only 1 bump.
(though I must admit, I have no idea if forum software allows this)

Now, what if you gave the thread-starter the option to delete his own replies in that thread? That way, you'll still have a bump-function, but no more threads cluttered with posts... Only 1 bump.

A recycle-able bump? How very logical....and environmentally freindly:).