Who will be the Sudirman Cup 2009 runner-up?

as per our tradition, we only poll for the 2nd place winner as China again pretty much poised to win the Cup for the nth time in a roll.

the 2nd place contest is more interesting.

Malaysia would do better if they were in-form. Players are too unpredictable, however
But it's still a 2nd place for my team, my vote.

i think China should defend without any problem.

and i voted Indonesia for a more balanced MS / MD / XD / WS than most other.

i vote Malaysia for 3rd.

i vote Malaysia for 3rd.

Owh no..should we have another poll for the 3rd place?

Runner-up places will be Korea. Pretty much depends on 3 points from their doubles, they were always be dark horse in team competition. Who dare to expect Korea able to upset Indonesia in their favorite ground -- Istora Senayan during TC Semi Finals last year?

it will be a very tough fight for ina/mas and korea for the 2nd place imo;)

btw, what about Denmark too?;)

Both INA and KOR have bigger chance to place runner-up position than other participants. If KOR meets INA in semifinal, hard to predict who will advance into finale.

I would pick Korea, they have strong MD, WD and XD.....But LHJ was not in form for past few months, that makes me worry....

And KOR relymore on LYD (MD and XD) and LHJ (WD and XD)

MAS have very little chances to even qualified to SF, having weak in WS, XD departments

better to vote after the grouping of division 1 is done.:)

My brain says Korea. Why? Though MS and WS have little chance against China, WD is 50:50, while in MD & XD, they got their ace,
The World Dominator - LYD. ;):rolleyes::p

My heart says nothing else but my country.

Finally, my finger votes for... what my heart says. :p

The World Dominator - LYD. ;):rolleyes::p


LOL.....I thought you are sick and tired of that "DOMINATING" thread??

I pick Denmark.........

I think Malaysia deserved for runner up place
although my heart goes to Indonesia
hope Maria Kristin and Markis Kido fully recovered at Sudirman cup
amin

I voted for Korea. Somethings telling me it's going to be.

..then i foresee a very tight battle. Of course, KOR's only chance will come in all of the Doubles events (which i think are their strongest events). And if they can miraculously win the WD event vs. CHN, then watch out..:cool:..get ready for narnia to start wooting it up in BC!!:eek:;)

CHN's homecourt support will be a double-edge sword: they can relish in the homecrowd support or they can feel the pressure..

LOL.....I thought you are sick and tired of that "DOMINATING" thread??
Well, sort of, but hey, it's fun 'playing' with her, y'know. :p
I'm trying to use reverse psychology tactics here.

CHN's homecourt support will be a double-edge sword: they can relish in the homecrowd support or they can feel the pressure..
The ever-so-great Badminton Empire of China, with OG-hardened shuttlers, crumble under pressure? I don't think so, Mister.

I think Denmark has a very good chance.:)

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The ever-so-great Badminton Empire of China, with OG-hardened shuttlers, crumble under pressure? I don't think so, Mister.
..if based on last yr's OG result:
MS-CHN vs. MAS, CHN won
WS-All CHN affair
WD-CHN vs. KOR, CHN won
MD-CHN vs. INA, INA won
XD-KOR vs. INA...CHN, 3rd place

MS and WS events, i expect CHN to win both. However, the Doubles events are up for grab as CHN only won 1 out 3 events. Between CHN & KOR, I do think KOR has the upper hand in the MD and XD events. Certainly, it's a 50-50 match in the WD.

..then i foresee a very tight battle. Of course, KOR's only chance will come in all of the Doubles events (which i think are their strongest events). And if they can miraculously win the WD event vs. CHN, then watch out..:cool:..get ready for narnia to start wooting it up in BC!!:eek:;)

CHN's homecourt support will be a double-edge sword: they can relish in the homecrowd support or they can feel the pressure..

Even if China WD lost to Korea, I doubt that CY/FHF will lost to any Korea doubles except JJS/LYD pair again. This is team event. CY/FHF had play team event too many times and had tons of experience. Meanwhile in Korea MD only LYD who had mental toughness for team events. His new partner will be nervous. LYD also had to play twice in MD and XD.

He will had little rest cause I doubt the MS and WS event will be a long fight considering LHI and PSH didnot play for MS anymore.

And LHJ will play twice in XD and WD. Mean while China can played ZB/MJ in XD and let YY all out in WD.

Indonesia and Denmark had better chance to win against China than Korea win against CHina.

[quote=ctjcad;1138054 Certainly, it's a 50-50 match in the WD.[/quote]

Not 50-50.

DJ/YY and LHY/LKW had met 11 times with 7-4 for China pair. But for the last seven meeting, the China pair won 6 to 1.

And not to mention turn out ZB/MJ had won against LYD/LHJ three times in a row this year in XD.

For runner up: I do think Indonesia will had the best chance if Taufik and Vita Marissa play for Indonesia. And no injuries .

Korea-Indonesia: Indonesia 3 points from WS,MS and MD

Indonesia-Malaysia: 3 points from WS,WD and XD

Indonesia-Denmark: TOugh -tough play. Ind will win WD and Den will win WS. But Ind had edge 55-45 in XD , MS and MD.

Indonesia's leading the vote.
ermm..

Hope Malaysia can make it to the final.:) Lee Chong Wei all the way!:D

I think Indonesia will had the best chance if Taufik Hidayat back to the squad and Vita Marissa also play for Indonesia.
But for this time Korean better from Indonesia in all sector.

Even if China WD lost to Korea, I doubt that CY/FHF will lost to any Korea doubles except JJS/LYD pair again. This is team event. CY/FHF had play team event too many times and had tons of experience. Meanwhile in Korea MD only LYD who had mental toughness for team events. His new partner will be nervous. LYD also had to play twice in MD and XD.

He will had little rest cause I doubt the MS and WS event will be a long fight considering LHI and PSH didnot play for MS anymore.

And LHJ will play twice in XD and WD. Mean while China can played ZB/MJ in XD and let YY all out in WD.
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Not 50-50.

DJ/YY and LHY/LKW had met 11 times with 7-4 for China pair. But for the last seven meeting, the China pair won 6 to 1.

And not to mention turn out ZB/MJ had won against LYD/LHJ three times in a row this year in XD.
..i'm just propping the KOR's chances, just for our KOR BCers..;)

Tis true, Du Jing & Yu Yang have a better head to head record vs LHJ & LKW.
But guess which non-CHN pair did Du Jing & Yu Yang lose to (not counting walkover) the whole yr, last yr??

As for the XD, i thought Zheng Bo & Ma Jin are no longer playing together again? I thought Ma Jin has a new partner in Shen Ye??

As for the MD, i thought JJS will come back in time and partner with LYD for the BAC and then continue on with the Sudirman Cup??

OK, maybe i'm a bit of an optimist with that 50-50 percentage:p But my point is, KOR's chance, should they play vs. CHN in the Final, is through their Doubles pairs. And as far as i can see, the KOR's WD duo (LHJ & LKW) is their only legit pair who has a much better chance to beat Du Jing & Yu Yang (based on their recent success vs. CHN pairs & despite their losing overall record and recent 2 losses vs. Du Jing & Yu Yang).
For runner up: I do think Indonesia will had the best chance if Taufik and Vita Marissa play for Indonesia. And no injuries .

Korea-Indonesia: Indonesia 3 points from WS,MS and MD

Indonesia-Malaysia: 3 points from WS,WD and XD

Indonesia-Denmark: TOugh -tough play. Ind will win WD and Den will win WS. But Ind had edge 55-45 in XD , MS and MD.
I think Indonesia will had the best chance if Taufik Hidayat back to the squad and Vita Marissa also play for Indonesia.
But for this time Korean better from Indonesia in all sector.
..ya know, as for all this talk about Taufik and/or Vita joining the national team, again, for the Sudirman Cup, how sure are you guys it will happen?
What if they don't join the team? What happens to all the "3 wins vs. this team or that team scenarios" for team INA? Or are they going to rely on Sony and/or Simon? Also, by asking and expecting Taufik and Vita and others to be back, doesn't it sound a bit desperate on their part? How long will they employ & keep relying on Taufik to play?:confused:
I think it's time to move on and rely on the young players...:cool:

Tis true, Du Jing & Yu Yang have a better head to head record vs LHJ & LKW. But guess which non-CHN pair did Du Jing & Yu Yang lose to (not counting walkover) the whole yr, last yr??

As for the XD, i thought Zheng Bo & Ma Jin are no longer playing together again? I thought Ma Jin has a new partner in Shen Ye??
I know, DJ/YY lost to LHJ/LKW in last year AE :D I will never forget that :D ZB is still playing with MJ, they are just splitted for temporary. Like what happened to Cai/Fu last year. In ABC, ZYW is also not paired with XZB in XD, instead, she is paired with a new youngster Chai Biao in XD :D Actually, I think that ZYW/ZTT pair is stronger than DJ/YY. :D But China has no worries in WD because it has 6 top WD pairs in the first team. LYB really has to some ways to improve the MD because he can't only rely on CY/FHF.

..but that quiz question was for hcpoirot to investigate (after all, his screen-name is a moniker for a well known fictional detective character)...:cool:..

So, tell me, besides KOR, which team do you think will pose any "threat" to team CHN??..

who ever team to go the final with china,just can be runner up,coz China still to strong for another team,ecspecialy in woman sector,thats the problem for foreign country.

..but that quiz question was for hcpoirot to investigate (after all, his screen-name is a moniker for a well known fictional detective character)...:cool:..

So, tell me, besides KOR, which team do you think will pose any "threat" to team CHN??..
Hmm, actually all teams could also pose 'threats' to China because we cannot predict anything happen in the future. Maybe LD, CY/FHF injured in a training session? Then LD is replaced by experienced CJ or younsters like CL, WK and etc. If CY or FHF, either one get injured, then China MD boat will be sinked in the Sudirman Cup :D I know many people will say they all won't injured because they have to fight for Sudirman, but who knows? We are not the one control the fate.

Indonesia
I think Indonesia might only have the capability to prevent China from winning the MS and MD in the mixed team event. Indonesia has Taufik, Sony in MS and MK/HS in MD. I could see Indonesia's XD performance has dropped in recent tournaments. For WS and WD, China is too strong for them. Even Maria is also not in her top form.

Denmark
Actually I thought before Denmark might become this year runner-up. Their strongest MS is Peter Gade followed by Joachim. PG has a little influence to China MS but I could say the percentage is only 20-30% if LD is in top form and does not suffer from injury.

For WS, Tine might create an upset depends on how the Chinese WS perform. I could say Tine v Chinese WS, the chances she could win is 50-50. So, good luck to Tine. Hope she has recovered from the injury she suffered in AE final. For WD and XD, the percentage of influence is 5% and 4% respectively. Don't forget Denmark is also very strong in MD especially Boe/Mogenson who performed excellent recently.

Malaysia
For MS, the only one who can prevent LD is LCW. For WS and WD, I am certain that Malaysia can't steal it from China. Malaysia WD, CEH/WPT has improved a lot and they progressed into the finals of a few tournaments after the OG 08 but it was because China's main players were still relaxing by that time. As long as DJ/YY, ZYW/ZTT, CS/ZYL are still in the team, I think no one can prevent China from dominating the WD. For WS, no need to say so much as I am certain China will take it.

MD is the weakest area of China. KKK/TBH and the Fuzzy pair have a chance to steal from it. For XD, Malaysia stands a 70-30 chance to win.

Hong Kong
I think HK could only steal WS title from China. With ZM, Yippy, and WC, their chances are same with Tine, 50-50 to win over China. However, I think China won't let anyone steals their WS title. :rolleyes:

Japan
Recent famous Japanese MS is Sho Sasaki and the youngster Kenichi Tago. Sho Shasaki is good but not as good as LD, don't think he can beat LD. After a few years, Japan's WS seems like moving backward. I have no idea what was happened to Eriko Hirose (a very famous girl that I could remember her well since 2007). Nowadays, the only Japanese WS player always caught my sight is Ai Goto :D Japan's MD is good also and for WD, if the seniors are back on court, they could create 'threats' to China in WD (Note: Create threats only, I don't think they can will over China :D) For XD, China will prevail :D

..thanks for the analysis..:cool:

Couple of comments:
INA - MS, WS and MD are up in the air. Especially looking at their recent injuries.

DEN - they could be the other team vying for a Final spot. If they do indeed reach the Final round, it all depends on the WS & XD events.
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I know many people will say they all won't injured because they have to fight for Sudirman, but who knows?We are not the one control the fate.
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..so, who is in control of their fate???..hmmm:confused:http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif ;)

..so, who is in control of their fate???..hmmm:confused:http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif ;)
Someone has the highest position in the world that we are unable to see 'HIM' :p

My prediction:
China>Denmark>Korea>Malaysia>Indonesia>England>Japan>Hongkong,China

For XD, Malaysia stands a 70-30 chance to win.


mas 70-30?:eek:are u sure????:eek:

mas 70-30?:eek:are u sure????:eek:
relax, it was just a prediction ;)

Malaysia

MD is the weakest area of China. KKK/TBH and the Fuzzy pair have a chance to steal from it. For XD, Malaysia stands a 70-30 chance to win.

Correction here, it should be Malaysia stands a 30-70 chance to win :D

relax, it was just a prediction ;)
this shocks me just now for a moment:p
i thought hhb/yy or zb/mj will lost to mas xd:eek::p

I don't know who represent mas for XD..
it's 70-30 for mas XD, if LCW partner WMC.. hehe..

I don't know who represent mas for XD..
it's 70-30 for mas XD, if LCW partner WMC.. hehe..
if LD partner with XXF, then is it 100-0? :D:p

if LD partner with XXF, then is it 100-0? :D:p
cool...
Ld/Xxf vs Lcw/Wmc, then

if LD partner with XXF, then is it 100-0? :D:p
that will be in your wonderland dream:p
this impossible will happen:D

Not 50-50.

DJ/YY and LHY/LKW had met 11 times with 7-4 for China pair. But for the last seven meeting, the China pair won 6 to 1.

And not to mention turn out ZB/MJ had won against LYD/LHJ three times in a row this year in XD.
i do agree with you that CHN WD pair DJ/YY has better than 50-50 against the KOR pair particularly the korean's poor form since the olympics.

with regard to XD i couldnt play ZB/MJ unless its a dead rubber for experience. MJ is too young and inexperience for a big stage like this. definintely will play HHB/YY, they are as good as any at the moment.

to be the runnre-up one needed to avoid CHN in the semi. may be we will see more creative pairings in the early rounds, that would be fun.

..every top contending squad will try to avoid the Semifinal match up with CHN..
i do agree with you that CHN WD pair DJ/YY has better than 50-50 against the KOR pair particularly the korean's poor form since the olympics.
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KOR's WD pair's (LHJ & LKW) results since last yr's OG; i don't know how to define "poor" performance??:
15/03/2009 WILSON Swiss Open Super Series 2009 - Runner-Up
08/03/2009 YONEX All England Super Series 2009 S.Series - Quarter-Finalist
01/03/2009 Yonex German Open Grand Prix GP - Semi-Finalist
18/01/2009 Korea Super Series 2009 S.Series - Runner-Up
11/01/2009 Malaysia Super Series 2009 S.Series - Winner

As for the KOR's XD pair (LHJ & LYD) results since last yr's OG:
15/03/2009 WILSON Swiss Open Super Series 2009 S.Series - Runner-Up
08/03/2009 YONEX All England Super Series 2009 S.Series - Quarter-Finalist
01/03/2009 Yonex German Open Grand Prix GP - Semi-Finalist
18/01/2009 Korea Super Series 2009 S.Series - Winner
11/01/2009 Malaysia Super Series 2009 S.Series - Runner-Up
30/11/2008 Yonex Sunrise Hong Kong Super Series 2008 S.Series - Runner-Up
23/11/2008 LI NING China Open Super Series 2008 S.Series - Winner

Indonesia and Denmark had better chance to win against China than Korea win against CHina.

Yup, me agree. Indonesia might just end up runners up again - If Marissa agrees to join in for WD that is.

to be the runnre-up one needed to avoid CHN in the semi. may be we will see more creative pairings in the early rounds, that would be fun.
CHN will definitely topple their group, in order to avoid them in Semi Final , teams must play to their best and finish top in the other group.
We wont get the chabce to see LYD play in MS and PSH in MD as in TC final last year:p, IF KOREA was placed in diff group with CHN ;)

..every top contending squad will try to avoid the Semifinal match up with CHN..

KOR's WD pair's (LHJ & LKW) results since last yr's OG; i don't know how to define "poor" performance??:
15/03/2009 WILSON Swiss Open Super Series 2009 - Runner-Up
08/03/2009 YONEX All England Super Series 2009 S.Series - Quarter-Finalist
01/03/2009 Yonex German Open Grand Prix GP - Semi-Finalist
18/01/2009 Korea Super Series 2009 S.Series - Runner-Up
11/01/2009 Malaysia Super Series 2009 S.Series - Winner

'poor' as 1 win out of 5 outings! considering the chinese team was in hibernation most of that period.

..you'd expect the KOR's pair of LHJ & LKW to win all 5 of the tourneys to be considered as a "best" performance??..Also, i thought CHN only missed the first 2 SS tourneys of this yr??..
Also, which other non-CHN pair(s) can claim to have the same amt of record/result, at least for this yr, as the KOR pair of LHJ & LKW??..

..you'd expect the KOR's pair of LHJ & LKW to win all 5 of the tourneys to be considered as a "best" performance??..Also, i thought CHN only missed the first 2 SS tourneys of this yr??..
Also, which other non-CHN pair(s) can claim to have the same amt of record/result, at least for this yr, as the KOR pair of LHJ & LKW??..
what about the current world no 1? dont tell me that WR means nothing.

..the #1 ranked WD pair...So, what about them?? Any titles to show for, at least for this yr??..(i know all M'sian BCers are eyeing me on this comment;))

Let's see, to help you guys out a bit, current #1 ranked WD pair:
15/03/2009 WILSON Swiss Open Super Series 2009 S.Series - Quarter-Finalist
08/03/2009 YONEX All England Super Series 2009 S.Series - 1\16
11/01/2009 Malaysia Super Series 2009 S.Series - Quarter-Finalist

Btw, if one considers the KOR's pair of LHJ & LKW's "poor" performance, at least this yr, with CHN's absence, then how abt this percentage: losing 1 out 2 titles, basically a 50% winning percentage, is considered "poor"??..If they were to not win 1 out 4 or 5 tourneys, i wonder if it'll be termed a "disaster"??..:p

Yup, me agree. Indonesia might just end up runners up again - If Marissa agrees to join in for WD that is.
I dont think Vita will join team for Sudirman cup.. Indonesia can rely on Shendy/Meliyana or Greysia/Nitya..
Runner up is good for INA..

Runner up is good for INA..

According to Bcers here, INA should be the runner-up.
Each time i log in, they were leading. Adui..

According to Bcers here, INA should be the runner-up.
Each time i log in, they were leading. Adui..
INA have to avoid China in semifinal, or INA creates big upset by beating CHINA 3-0 ?? who knows :D:D:D.. Everything is possible..

For runner up: I do think Indonesia will had the best chance if Taufik and Vita Marissa play for Indonesia. And no injuries .

Korea-Indonesia: Indonesia 3 points from WS,MS and MD

Indonesia-Malaysia: 3 points from WS,WD and XD

Indonesia-Denmark: TOugh -tough play. Ind will win WD and Den will win WS. But Ind had edge 55-45 in XD , MS and MD.
Yup, me agree. Indonesia might just end up runners up again - If Marissa agrees to join in for WD that is.
..as reported in the other thread, no "Wild Child of Badminton", Flandy nor Vita in the squad.
Any assurance on that 3 points guarantee for the INA squad??;)
Overall, I think it will be a tough-tough play for the INA squad against any of the other 4 top squads (CHN, DEN, MAS & KOR).

Overall, I think it will be a tough-tough play for the INA squad against any of the other 4 top squads (CHN, DEN, MAS & KOR).


not many people will think that ina will have problem with mas;)

..i'm looking at the INA squad and i think they'll also struggle vs. MAS..Check out this lineup:

MS - LCW vs. Sony (upperhand to LCW as Sony is also recuperating from whatever his injury is)
WS - WMC vs. Maria KY (it's a wash as both are also recuperating from whatever injury they have)
WD - WPT & CEH vs. Shendy PI & Meliana J (could be a wash as the MAS pair is also recuperating from whatever injury they have, upper-hand still to MAS pair for their experience)
MD - KKK & TBH vs. MK & HS (it's a wash; we'll see how MK & HS do in this BAC)
XD - No question upper-hand to INA's Nova & Lilyana.

Overall, perhaps only the MS, WD & XD are decided with the other 2 events up for grabs. Nothing easy for the INA squad, for sure.

WS - WMC vs. Maria KY (it's a wash as both are also recuperating from whatever injury they have)
WD - WPT & CEH vs. Shendy PI & Meliana J (could be a wash as the MAS pair is also recuperating from whatever injury they have, upper-hand still to MAS pair for their experience)


media report that wmc unbeaten in the round robin matches before india open(8 matches):rolleyes:,but it is julia that reach final;).
if i am the decider,i will put julia in ws instead of wmc:)

ceh is just be able to start some light training,no problem for ina;)

..they both should duke it out, to decide who deserves to represent WS in the elimination round..how's that??..:cool:

..they both should duke it out, to decide who deserves to represent WS in the elimination round..how's that??..:cool:

if it is julia vs wmc,:rolleyes:wmc will win.
anyway,i hope wmc rest until her injury FULLY recover before she come out and compete again:(

WMC is still better than Julia..

..they both should duke it out, to decide who deserves to represent WS in the elimination round..how's that??..:cool:

Pretty much depends on WMC's injury or her recovering from it. For all we know, Julia might end up as the main WS, WMC as reserve.

As for WD, as usual, only CEH is injured. The coaches can always select another gal from the youngsters : Woon Khe Wei, Chong Sook Chin, Ng Hui Lim, Goh Liu Ying,even Vivian Ho to replace CEH if necessary. Good practise also for the gals for next year's Uber.;)

Indonesia still leading in Runner-up prediction.. Hehe..

Without Vita, Indonesia had smaller chance to be a runner up. But that also depend on the drawing.

They had chances against malaysia team. But against Denmark without one guarantee point from WD? IT will be super hard.

Lets see:

Peter G - Sonny: Hmm, Sonny usually struggle in team event if he was count to win to secure a point. And he just back from injury. Peter-Simon S record: 5-2 with Peter won 2 times this year.

TIne R - Maria Kristin, Firdasari etc. Tine will win.

MD: If Markis/Hendra back on form, they had better chance to win.

WD: Denmark pair had win 2:0 against Meliana/Shendy from last year. And 1-0 from NItya/Polii this year. Den pair had better chance.

XD : Nova|lilyana will win if Nova didnot choke out.

Indonesia chance to win against Denmark only from WD. Cause they split 2-2 . But with Vita not playing. 3-2 to Denmark.

IF the KOREAN team consist of these players :
PSH (MS)
HHY (WS)
YYS/CGW
or
LYD/JJS (MD)

LKW/LHJ
or
Ha JE/KMJ (WD

LYD/LHJ
or
YYS/KMJ (XD)

6 players is already enough for them to make a damage to any teams.
Remember in TC last year? They are the only top teams with least entries.;)

..you'd expect the KOR's pair of LHJ & LKW to win all 5 of the tourneys to be considered as a "best" performance??..Also, i thought CHN only missed the first 2 SS tourneys of this yr??..
Also, which other non-CHN pair(s) can claim to have the same amt of record/result, at least for this yr, as the KOR pair of LHJ & LKW??..

'poor' as 1 win out of 5 outings! considering the chinese team was in hibernation most of that period.
make it 1 out of 6, i rest my case.

WMC is still better than Julia..
you right bro i agree with you :crying::crying:

all teams expect china stands a chance to finish 2nd... but i see Denmark & Korea as serious rivals to Malaysia this time around

all teams expect china stands a chance to finish 2nd... but i see Denmark & Korea as serious rivals to Malaysia this time around
No, not all teams stand a chance to finish 2nd. absolutely nonsense! Mongolia, Luxembourg and Australia just to name a few that will be in the tournament and they have a combined total of ZERO chance to win, 2nd, 3rd or 4th ....., full stop.

sry.. forgot to mention the teams which being place in Group A ......of cos teams like Mongolia , Australiab won't stand a chance..

No, not all teams stand a chance to finish 2nd. absolutely nonsense! Mongolia, Luxembourg and Australia just to name a few that will be in the tournament and they have a combined total of ZERO chance to win, 2nd, 3rd or 4th ....., full stop.

Only the countries in Group 1 can compete for the cup. The countries in Group 2, 3 and 4 will compete for promotion to the next higher group.

make it 1 out of 6, i rest my case.
..and before i also rest my case, any idea or answer to my 2nd question?? Or if there's no answer, i assume only the KOR pair (LHJ & LKW) can be considered the only (non-CHN) main challenger to the CHN's WD pairs??..:cool:

I think either Denmark or Korea... They both are pretty balanced (with 1 or 2 weak points - but every country bar China has weak points in their squad :P).

KOR vs. CHN:
MS - PSH vs. LD.........................LD in a likely white-wash
WS - HHY vs. any CHN player........uuummm..
WD - LHJ & LKW vs. any CHN pair.........45-55 (KOR pair has had success vs. CHN pairs recently)
MD - JJS & LYD vs. CY & FHF....................55-45 (CHN might upset KOR because JJS hasn't played competitively in a while and they're playing in their own backyard)
XD - LYD & LHJ vs. HHB & YY.......50-50

DEN vs. CHN:
MS - Gade vs. LD........................I think only bananakid would cheer for Gade..;)
WS - Tine vs. any CHN player........45-55
WD - Kristiansen & Juhl vs. any CHN pair......another likely white-wash
MD - Boe & Mogensen vs. CY & FHF............50-50
XD - Laybourn & Juhl vs. HHB & YY.............40-60

Percentage wise, KOR seems to come out just ahead of DEN..

Do they always play in this sequence = MS, WS, WD, MD, XD ??

..and before i also rest my case, any idea or answer to my 2nd question?? Or if there's no answer, i assume only the KOR pair (LHJ & LKW) can be considered the only (non-CHN) main challenger to the CHN's WD pairs??..:cool:
they are. plain and simple.

Do they always play in this sequence = MS, WS, WD, MD, XD ??
..check these:
http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/teammatch.aspx?id=46789A4E-B185-419B-B999-9B5390965F7D&match=898
http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/teammatch.aspx?id=46789A4E-B185-419B-B999-9B5390965F7D&match=899

It'll affect the order more, if say, CHN plays Yu Yang in 2 events and/or KOR also plays Lee Hyo Jung in 2 events, which are likely..
they are. plain and simple.
..that question was exclusively for AlanY to answer..:p

well if that particular player "enroll" in two events , then thier physical condition & mental toughness will play an vital part ...

[quote=ctjcad;1139381Also, which other non-CHN pair(s) can claim to have the same amt of record/result, at least for this yr, as the KOR pair of LHJ & LKW??..[/quote]
ok, the MAS WD being the world no 1 should have the chance to take a point from CHN. to make it counted both LCW and the MD needed to get the 2 points and I say the chance is 30% at best.

I think either Denmark or Korea... They both are pretty balanced (with 1 or 2 weak points - but every country bar China has weak points in their squad :P).

China has weak pts too, their MD. Just not as badly exposed as the rest.

Korea is the only team with a realistic chance to try and topple China. Uphill task but if all their doubles partnerships click ......... it could work. It happened before in 2003, although that one major pt came from LHI's defeat of Chen Hong.

The rest of the teams could only be expected to win at most 2 pts from China.

Ko SH & Yoo YS is 1 of the Korean pairs (minus gender ) that i find quite decent to watch apart from Lee YD & Jung JS & Lee YD & Lee HJ

ok, the MAS WD being the world no 1 should have the chance to take a point from CHN.
...
..again, as i asked, what is it based on?? Have you looked at their record this yr? For one, i can tell you there's another (non-CHN) pair, other than the KOR #1 WD pair, which has done better than the current WD WR#1, this yr.
Please read my question again, i'm only asking for this yr's record/stats; not last yr's or the yr before.:cool:

China has weak pts too, their MD. Just not as badly exposed as the rest.

Maybe only against the other top few MD pairs in the world, but even then they can win that one on a good day. But yes that would definitely be the one that other teams would have to take!

..again, as i asked, what is it based on?? Have you looked at their record this yr? For one, i can tell you there's another (non-CHN) pair, other than the KOR #1 WD pair, which has done better than the current WD WR#1, this yr.
Please read my question again, i'm only asking for this yr's record/stats; not last yr's or the yr before.:cool:

Maybe AlanY was basing on their performance late last year, came close to beating a not so match fit Du Jing/Yu Yang in France.

Even the MAS girls knew that the WR1 came as a fluke of the BWF pts system. This is not to say that the girls are not among the best pairs in the world, but the fitness level and injury problems of Chin Eei Hui limited their progress. Against top CHN and KOR opposition in a highly competitive match, the MAS girls can only sustain 2 1/2 games.

Then again, looking at the progress of the last few months, it is extremely unlikely for any non-CHN pair to beat a CHN WD pair in the Sudirman Cup. TPE and KOR girls included.

Maybe AlanY was basing on their performance late last year, came close to beating a not so match fit Du Jing/Yu Yang in France.
...
..for AlanY's answer to my question..;)

Now Korea leading in runner up prediction..

but this time around Korea only have Park SH as the sole men singles.......

korea maybe...
wad about CHN bcome d runner-up?haha

korea maybe...
wad about CHN bcome d runner-up?haha
hello, welcome to the forum;)
maybe u can introduce more about yourself in the introduction section of the forum:)

korea maybe...
wad about CHN bcome d runner-up?haha

how about china lose before final?

Wow, Jutawin.............

how about china lose before final?
haha!many will b shock of it!
but nothing is impossible...hahaha

how about china lose before final?
the chance is just 1% in my opinion:cool:;)

I think it will be South Korea.

I think it will be South Korea.
Yeah..and not North Korea.

i pick korea.....
heyyy,,,, some people pick China too...
Hmmmmmm....

it seems like North Korea more interested in nuclear bombs more than sports.........

it seems like North Korea more interested in nuclear bombs more than sports.........
Is that so?
Their national football team has a very good chance to represent Asia in next year WC, if you don't notice.;)

In my opinion,Malaysia at least will reach into semifinal...

In my opinion,Malaysia at least will reach into semifinal...
i agree with u;)

well i don't rule out that possibililty, but however thier action clearly dissapointed the world.....they even blame the south for thier failure in that game....a really stupid excuse

nothing imposible in a competition, but in reality CHN still hold the Sudirman Cup,come'on other countries make Youngster players quickly....

It will be a battle of Li-Ning vs Rest of the worlds (YY & Victor)

I think Korea will be group A champion and meet Ina in semifinal. and my prediction Ina will lost to Korea
so, I choose Korea as runner up

I think Korea will be group A champion and meet Ina in semifinal. and my prediction Ina will lost to Korea
so, I choose Korea as runner up
KOR have a reasonable chance against CHN and push them all the way.

oh..Tine is out..

KOR have a reasonable chance against CHN and push them all the way.
..LYD and LHJ would have to play lights out & show the best performance in their lifetime, for KOR to have a chance..Afterall, both are involved in nearly all of the doubles events..:cool:

i think MALAYSIA will be top in GROUP 1A and will meet INDONESIA in the semis...
and CHINA will be top in GROUP 1B and meet KOREA in the semis...
then...
the result of the semifinal can be really unpredictable......

i think MALAYSIA will be top in GROUP 1A and will meet INDONESIA in the semis...
and CHINA will be top in GROUP 1B and meet KOREA in the semis...
then...
the result of the semifinal can be really unpredictable......
MAS has 1 sure point against KOR and we all know where is that come from, but top of group! not a chance.

don't underestimated the others members of the team.......

i just dont see ina win this....but 2nd place is good enough...kor 3rd and mas 4...

Even without Tne,....The Danes still a very strong team in Sudirman Cup,..MAS will have to make sure they are 100% to beat the Danes,...because in XD, WD...the Danes still are the favourite here,....MAS only have higher chances in MS and MD still 50-50. AS for WS(?)..... will decide the winner of the match......

bring back home sudirman cup !!!!!!!

Even without Tne,....The Danes still a very strong team in Sudirman Cup,..MAS will have to make sure they are 100% to beat the Danes,...because in XD, WD...the Danes still are the favourite here,....MAS only have higher chances in MS and MD still 50-50. AS for WS(?)..... will decide the winner of the match......

and appearently the outcome will be different with what u expect.
we will see the result in one week time:)

Looks likely that KOR will meet CHN in the final and with luck, may emerge the winner! :D:D:D

maybe teams will "fix" matches to avoid China?

maybe teams will "fix" matches to avoid China?

The only "fix" is to win the group. :D

Voted for Indonesia, as it has the next best and balanced team other than China.

maybe teams will "fix" matches to avoid China?
This time no fix fix.;) Teams from Group 1A must top the group to avoid meeting China in semifinals. China is expected to top Group 1B.
That's why a Korea-China finals is expected, as Korea is expected to top Group 1B, meet Indonesia, win over INA (as Korea's strong in XD, WD & INA's MS chance not solid), meet China in finals.
Unless of course,Indonesia wins the Semi or some other team tops Group 1A.

Voted for Indonesia
Yeah, we can see that.

hmm, based on the very strong chinese squad, they are once again the favourite to grab this cup again:rolleyes:;)

Yes. I pick China to win... ;) hehe.

tough guess. INA and MAS has more chances in more parties. INA in MD, XD, MS -- and probably an upset from WS Maria Kristin just like in the last Olympics, and MAS in MS and MD and a probable WD. But due to MAS' weak history in group competition, I fell my choice to INA.

For KOR, I don't know. I can only hope for the WD. other parties are too wiggly to be hoped upon. But indeed, KOR is always full of surprises especially in a group competition. Hoping for a great fight from them this time.

Too bad Tine is out, otherwise DEN will be a great in par opponent for INA, MAS and KOR (especially with the consistent, senior, experienced players DEN has)

Only the fool will pick a non-china team to win this.:D
99.99% chances is there for china in defend their title;)

i definately think korea. They are really showing some promise with some of there new combinations.

hmm, based on the very strong chinese squad, they are once again the favourite to grab this cup again:rolleyes:;)
Yes. I pick China to win... ;) hehe.
Only the fool will pick a non-china team to win this.:D
99.99% chances is there for china in defend their title;)
..i, currently, see 17 people voting for CHN to be runner-ups...hmmm..http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif

I think China are using new sponsor racket and their performance might change, either better or else :cool:. Anything can happen in team event:eek:

I think China are using new sponsor racket and their performance might change, either better or else :cool:. Anything can happen in team event:eek:
Owh, well, I am not hoping China to dominate again. That was unlikely possible, however.
New rackets and equipments changes - man, they have damn good line-up. What could be better?

I hope that Malaysia could perform the miracle. We must believe that we have a chance.

I hope that Malaysia could perform the miracle. We must believe that we have a chance.

we been teach not to dream;)

we been teach not to dream;)
that's right.
one step at a time;)
dont be too over excited or kan chiong like somebody who had already so anxious for the WC. ;):rolleyes:

I hope that Malaysia could perform the miracle. We must believe that we have a chance.

sometimes thing jz happen when least expected..:D

[quote=samuel882;1159407]Only the fool will pick a non-china team to win this.:D
99.99% chances is there for china in defend their title;)[/quote

That's why this thread is to pick the runner-up.:D Korea & INA are in the running.

[quote=samuel882;1159407]Only the fool will pick a non-china team to win this.:D
99.99% chances is there for china in defend their title;)[/quote

That's why this thread is to pick the runner-up.:D Korea & INA are in the running.
expect the unexpected:cool::D

[quote=eaglehelang;1160157]
expect the unexpected:cool::D

I think the most unexpected result will be China failed to win SC this year in their home ground.....:eek:......:D:D

Voted for INA however however forgot about Korea so it is between them for second me thinks

aiks,I was going to vote Korea...but too late poll is closed..

..21 people voted CHN to be the runner-ups...hmm..http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/23.gif

..21 people voted CHN to be the runner-ups...hmm..http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/23.gif

Dreams may come true! :D:D:D

if it really come true...hahaha:D

Malaysia? Forget about it.

Malaysia? Forget about it.

Yes, can enter SF is an achievement already...........:D:D

Still remember..? MAS was in group 2 for severals Sudirman Cup.....for past few years.......only sattle down in group 1 for few years only ......:p

maybe Malaysia can "steal " 1 point from China.... but to reach final unlikely......

Korea the Runner Up.....