Will Lee Chong Wei remain World No.1 until the 2012 OG?

[chris-ccc]

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Lee Chong Wei to remain as World No.1 until the 2012 Olympic Games

Greetings,

From we what have witnessed recently, China is no longer interested to have Lin Dan to regain his World No.1 position.

As disappointed as most of us BCers are (wanting to watch matches between Lee Chong Wei and Lin Dan), we might only get to watch them play each other in fewer occasions from now on.

IMHO, Lee Chong Wei could remain as World No.1 until he retires after the 2012 Olympic Games.

This thread is created to monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei.

Cheers... chris-ccc
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[ctjcad]

..Chen Long aka Dragon Chen..:cool:

[chris-ccc]

..Chen Long aka Dragon Chen..:cool:



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This is strange. If China doesn't send Lin Dan, their best MS player, why would Chen Long be selected to topple LCW's World No.1 position? :confused::confused::confused:
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[drifit]

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This is strange. If China doesn't send Lin Dan, their best MS player, why would Chen Long be selected to topple LCW's World No.1 position? :confused::confused::confused:
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is China deem that even CL can topple LCW. :D :D

[george@chongwei]

..Chen Long aka Dragon Chen..:cool:
are you sure?;)
if he got the chance to compete in more tournaments, then sure will have chance, but what if clockwise?;):p

[ctjcad]

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This is strange. If China doesn't send Lin Dan, their best MS player, why would Chen Long be selected to topple LCW's World No.1 position? :confused::confused::confused:
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is China deem that even CL can topple LCW. :D :D

are you sure?;)
if he got the chance to compete in more tournaments, then sure will have chance, but what if clockwise?;):p
..India GP is not a proof??..Sooner or later, Chen Long will be sent to more tourneys. LD is probably going to get less exposure in the next 3+ yrs (which is quite a long time), so in effect, CL and the other younger players will be sent out. Strange??..

[chris-ccc]

..India GP is not a proof??..Sooner or later, Chen Long will be sent to more tourneys. LD is probably going to get less exposure in the next 3+ yrs (which is quite a long time), so in effect, CL and the other younger players will be sent out. Strange??..



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Looking at the BWF World Ranking table/list, it would take Chen Long a long, long time to overtake LCW.

If we are to consider a CHN player to overtake LCW, perhaps Chen Jin is most likely to do it quicker.
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[limsy]

well,ld can takeover lcw in the end of 2009 BUT he need to win everything(wc,ss and gp gold)start from the sudirman cup until the end of 2009
which is unlikely as he wont participate as much as lcw will:rolleyes:

[ctjcad]

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Looking at the BWF World Ranking table/list, it would take Chen Long a long, long time to overtake LCW.

If we are to consider a CHN player to overtake LCW, perhaps Chen Jin is most likely to do it quicker.
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..if it's Chen Jin to overtake LCW, then let it be..
There are other players waiting (e.g. PSH) in the wing and 3+ yrs is quite a ways to go until the OG. How sure are we that LCW will stay at the top spot/WR #1 all the way til OG 2012??..:confused:

[limsy]

..if it's Chen Jin to overtake LCW, then let it be..
There are other players waiting (e.g. PSH) in the wing and 3+ yrs is quite a ways to go until the OG. How sure are we that LCW will stay at the top spot/WR #1 all the way til OG 2012??..:confused:

i quite sure that he will remain in top 3 for long time as long as he wont FOOD POISONING every tournament:p

[ctjcad]

..rather than wait til after the 2012 OG, Datuk LCW & WMC decide to get hitched early??..:confused: ;)

[limsy]

..rather than wait til after the OG, Datuk LCW & WMC decide to get hitched early??..:confused: ;)

hehe,i hope to see lcw participate 4 og:p until 2020
hehe,joke

[chris-ccc]

..if it's Chen Jin to overtake LCW, then let it be..
There are other players waiting (e.g. PSH) in the wing and 3+ yrs is quite a ways to go until the OG. How sure are we that LCW will stay at the top spot/WR #1 all the way til OG 2012??..:confused:



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That's precisely the main point. Currently, we see no player, other than our great Lin Dan, to challenge Lee Chong Wei's World #1 position.

This is why this thread is created: Who do we think can overtake LCW from his WR #1 position?
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[ctjcad]

..my personal answer is most likely not. Why? I've mentioned it in my post #9 :
There are other players waiting (e.g. PSH) in the wing and 3+ yrs is quite a ways to go until the 2012 OG.
Unless LCW can duplicate what LD did from late 2004 til 2008, one is surely putting a whole lot of guarantee on LCW to retain his WR #1 position til 2012. Remember also, LD had a lot of teammates joining him in the fray during that time period.

[ye333]

It is indeed possible unless LCW win WC and then decide to attend only a few tournaments each year (like LD).

Other players (like PG, TH, PSH, CJ, BCL, Sony) can topple LCW now and then, but it is unlikely that they can reach No.1 themselves. Especially when we take a closer look at the situation:

TH, PG: Too old;
CJ: Has chronicle waist problem since 2007.
BCL: Has severe knee problem.
Sony: Seems also in some serious injury.

PSH: PSH has the ability to beat anyone, but it's just hard to imagine him reaching World No. 1. ;)


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Lee Chong Wei to remain as World No.1 until the 2012 Olympic Games

Greetings,

From we what have witnessed recently, China is no longer interested to have Lin Dan to regain his World No.1 position.

As disappointed as most of us BCers are (wanting to watch matches between Lee Chong Wei and Lin Dan), we might only get to watch them play each other in fewer occasions from now on.

IMHO, Lee Chong Wei could remain as World No.1 until he retires after the 2012 Olympic Games.

This thread is created to monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei.

Cheers... chris-ccc
:):):)
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[k_sakic]

Lee Chong Wei is a good player...however, i think that 2009-2010 will probably be his last years as a competitive player to be able to play consistently on the circuit and still remain in the #1 position rankings...if you look at previous badminton players, they all peaked from ages 21-25...after that..their explosive plays start to diminish...for instance, after 2005, Taufik's winning percetange dropped dramatically...Simarily, Peter Gade lost his #1 ranking after a while...players are unable to keep up their stamina to play on a regular basis. Moreover, older players are more injury proned; besides, better players (like Chen Long like some people mentioned will improve and take over)

I think that's why Lin Dan's picking and choosing his tournaments now...he's only playing in the more important ones..like World Championships and All England...in fact...i think that's a smart move, because he'll avoid the risk of injuries by playing in less tournaments.

one more thing is...i also believe that the 2009 or 2010 World Championships are in fact the last chances Lee Chong Wei has to win the title

[limsy]

Lee Chong Wei is a good player...however, i think that 2009-2010 will probably be his last years as a competitive player to be able to play consistently on the circuit and still remain in the #1 position rankings...if you look at previous badminton players, they all peaked from ages 21-25...after that..their explosive plays start to diminish...for instance, after 2005, Taufik's winning percetange dropped dramatically...Simarily, Peter Gade lost his #1 ranking after a while...players are unable to keep up their stamina to play on a regular basis. Moreover, older players are more injury proned; besides, better players (like Chen Long like some people mentioned will improve and take over)

I think that's why Lin Dan's picking and choosing his tournaments now...he's only playing in the more important ones..like World Championships and All England...in fact...i think that's a smart move, because he'll avoid the risk of injuries by playing in less tournaments.

one more thing is...i also believe that the 2009 or 2010 World Championships are in fact the last chances Lee Chong Wei has to win the title

1st,i dont think lcw will become LESS competitive after 2010:p
2nd,lcw need to play more tournament because there is no bcl and cj or cl in malaysia,so,he need to play more torunament(mean he can get more competitive and keep his form);)
3rd,can lcw stop ld as the 1st in history to win 3 consecutive wc?unlikely;)

[koo_fan]

Chris' thread title is one thing i hoped to be real.
He didn't start his peak early, he supposed to end it later, then. It'll be fair. (^_@)

He's lack of good sparring partners and should take part regularly in tournaments. i agree, limsy. This should sustain his Wr1 as the China Dragons are somehow selective, aren't they? What i hoped for is his participations could also helped him to be stronger in top tournament i.e WC and not getting him weaker due to tiredness and all. This is up to him and his coach to decide on.

[Dato A]

To be WR No.1, DLCW should take part regularly in tournaments. This will ensure that he earn enough points to be at the top of WR, just as what as he does previously.

What is the meaning of World Ranked No. 1 player for DLCW if he is still not yet win any major championships? I am sure Datuk's desire to win the major championships is much more stronger than maintaining his No.1 ranking.

[chris-ccc]

Lee Chong Wei is a good player...however, i think that 2009-2010 will probably be his last years as a competitive player to be able to play consistently on the circuit and still remain in the #1 position rankings...if you look at previous badminton players, they all peaked from ages 21-25...after that..their explosive plays start to diminish...for instance, after 2005, Taufik's winning percentage dropped dramatically...Similarly, Peter Gade lost his #1 ranking after a while...players are unable to keep up their stamina to play on a regular basis. Moreover, older players are more injury prone; besides, better players (like Chen Long like some people mentioned will improve and take over)

I think that's why Lin Dan's picking and choosing his tournaments now...he's only playing in the more important ones..like World Championships and All England...in fact...i think that's a smart move, because he'll avoid the risk of injuries by playing in less tournaments.

one more thing is...i also believe that the 2009 or 2010 World Championships are in fact the last chances Lee Chong Wei has to win the title.



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Hi k_sakic,

It's great to find your first posting. Welcome to Badminton Central !!! :):):)
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[chris-ccc]

Chris' thread title is one thing i hoped to be real.
He didn't start his peak early, he supposed to end it later, then. It'll be fair. (^_@)

He's lack of good sparring partners and should take part regularly in tournaments. i agree, limsy. This should sustain his Wr1 as the China Dragons are somehow selective, aren't they? What i hoped for is his participations could also helped him to be stronger in top tournament i.e WC and not getting him weaker due to tiredness and all. This is up to him and his coach to decide on.



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Yes, since the China Dragons have currently abandoned their desire to regain the World No.1 position, it appears that no player can overtake Lee Chong Wei's ranking.

Currently, Lee Chong Wei continues to gain more and more ranking points. He is leaving everybody so far behind.

This thread hopes to keep a close watch over any player(s) who could come forward to challenge him.
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[chris-ccc]

To be WR No.1, DLCW should take part regularly in tournaments. This will ensure that he earn enough points to be at the top of WR, just as what as he does previously.

What is the meaning of World Ranked No. 1 player for DLCW if he is still not yet win any major championships? I am sure Datuk's desire to win the major championships is much more stronger than maintaining his No.1 ranking.



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Agree. :):):) There are some players desiring to win some certain major championships.

But why is it that no player is determined enough to overtake Lee Chong Wei's No.1 position?
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[huangkwokhau]

hm..are you sure that LCW can maintain no.1 all the way till 2012? I think it is very tough..Chen Long will arise by that time

[limsy]

hm..are you sure that LCW can maintain no.1 all the way till 2012? I think it is very tough..Chen Long will arise by that time

oh,i get what u mean,hauge:p

[General Foo]

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Agree. :):):) There are some players desiring to win some certain major championships.

But why is it that no player is determined enough to overtake Lee Chong Wei's No.1 position?
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why should anyone take lcw's no 1 position when i would say a lot of the badminton community knows it doesnt mean he is the best player in the world. LD is clearly the best MS player at the moment. this completely undermines the world no 1 status. To other players, winning olympic gold, and world championships is clearly more prestigious.

People who have said lcw takes part in tournaments as part of his training due to lack of good sparring partners may have a point. But others who have said that taking part in so many minor tournaments harms his chances in the big tournaments (WC and Olympics) also present a valid argument. I think if LCW really wants to win the big tournaments then he might need to find a balance and sacrafice some ranking points. But shame i dont see him doing it. :rolleyes:

[limsy]

if LCW really wants to win the big tournaments then he might need to find a balance and sacrafice some ranking points. But

wants and will is different;)
u see,
the x times ae winner
og winner
x times tc winner
x times sc winner
wc twice(and coming 3rd time wc winner) is in wc 2009;),sc 2009,ae 2010,tc 2010,wc 2010 and more;)

[chris-ccc]

hm..are you sure that LCW can maintain no.1 all the way till 2012? I think it is very tough..Chen Long will arise by that time.



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It could be assumed that Chen Long would arise to be a better player than LCW and LD sooner or later. The question is whether he would be given the opportunity to make it to World No.1.

There have been many threads where we have discussed and debated on who is the best player in the world. This is not one of them.
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[Athelete1234]

Is there an article showing how LD will only pick certain tournaments to play in, or is this just speculation??

[limsy]

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It could be assumed that Chen Long would arise to be a better player than LCW and LD sooner or later. The question is whether he would be given the opportunity to make it to World No.1.

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ok,lets made it clear.
cl wont be able to reach top ten at the end of 2009,ok?:confused:
he wont be able to reach top 3 in the middle of 2010,ok?:confused:
clear?fair?;)

[chris-ccc]

why should anyone take lcw's no 1 position when i would say a lot of the badminton community knows it doesnt mean he is the best player in the world. LD is clearly the best MS player at the moment. this completely undermines the world no 1 status. To other players, winning olympic gold, and world championships is clearly more prestigious.

People who have said lcw takes part in tournaments as part of his training due to lack of good sparring partners may have a point. But others who have said that taking part in so many minor tournaments harms his chances in the big tournaments (WC and Olympics) also present a valid argument. I think if LCW really wants to win the big tournaments then he might need to find a balance and sacrifice some ranking points. But shame i dont see him doing it. :rolleyes:



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Perhaps Badminton needs a private sponsor giving $$$ to the player who carries the World No.1 tag. But then again, China doesn't seem to be interested in prize monies.

In my book, the World No.1 is not only a great player, but also one who works hard to gain BWF ranking points. Currently, LCW holds these qualities.

IMHO, if LCW were to miss more tournaments, his performance would suffer. His opportunity to improve comes from participating in more tournaments.

Because LCW wishes to win the next Olympic Gold medal, we could see him playing as often as he could, unless injuries prevent him from doing so.
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[ctjcad]

..reality is, it is a tough feat to maintain one's WR #1 for 4 yrs, let alone to dominate the entire field for the same period of time...Looking at the list of ranking datas below, LD has been the only MS player to maintain that stature (from 2004 til 2008).
As long as Chen Long is given the opportunities to compete, which imo they should strongly go for, his ranking will move up quite a bit. How long or fast he'll move up, imo, it depends how many tournaments he's being sent to.
Who knows, if Chen Long is not "the next one", maybe someone else will come out of nowhere to surprise us.;)

MS World Ranking, after the 2004 OG (taken abt the same time as now). Look at Chen Jin's ranking at that time and compare it to now.

http://internationalbadminton.org/histranking.asp?rankno=484&id=1
http://internationalbadminton.org/histranking.asp?Page=2&id=1&PageNo=GO&rankno=484

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r310/ctjcad/Misc/msr1-2005.jpghttp://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r310/ctjcad/Misc/msr2-2005.jpg

MS World Ranking after the 2000 OG (taken abt the same time as now). As a matter of fact, LinDan and LCW weren't even ranked in the top 100. Make that, both of them weren't even in competition when this ranking was recorded. Check out Bao Chun Lai's ranking (#347 overall) and compare it to Chen Long's current ranking (if not mistaken, it's in the #100-125).
But look at what 3+ yrs did for them...

http://internationalbadminton.org/histranking.asp?rankno=278&id=1
http://internationalbadminton.org/histranking.asp?Page=14&id=1&PageNo=GO&rankno=278

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r310/ctjcad/Misc/msr1-2001.jpghttp://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r310/ctjcad/Misc/msr2-2001.jpg

MS World Ranking after the 1996 OG (taken abt the same time as now). Look at Peter Gade's ranking.
http://internationalbadminton.org/histranking.asp?rankno=68&id=1

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r310/ctjcad/Misc/msr1-1997.jpg

[chris-ccc]

Is there an article showing how LD will only pick certain tournaments to play in, or is this just speculation??



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It's just a speculation, I would think. :p:p:p

But it is hoped that LD could participate in more tournaments whenever LCW is there. It will generate more interest amongst us at Badminton Central. :):):)
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[ctjcad]

Is there an article showing how LD will only pick certain tournaments to play in, or is this just speculation??
..suetyan or our numero uno, die-hard LinDan's supporter, cooler, to investigate, if there's such an article...:cool:

[Athelete1234]

Kay cool, cause I still think LD is motivated to play tournaments where it counts, and for a good audience (like at home in China).

[Oldhand]

Reading the title "Lee Chong Wei to remain as World No. 1 until the 2012 Olympic Games", I thought the BWF had decided to keep Chong Wei at No. 1 until London :D

Since it's clear that chris is only speculating, the title is amended to a question :p

[eaglehelang]

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People who have said lcw takes part in tournaments as part of his training due to lack of good sparring partners may have a point. But others who have said that taking part in so many minor tournaments harms his chances in the big tournaments (WC and Olympics) also present a valid argument. I think if LCW really wants to win the big tournaments then he might need to find a balance and sacrafice some ranking points. But shame i dont see him doing it. :rolleyes:

1) LCW taking part due to lack of good sparring partners : "People" say that cos Misbun said that in the press, at least 2X.
2) Taking part in some minor tournaments (Like India Open) has already been explained, is part of contract obligation to Yonex.

3) LCW already said he will take part less (wherever possible) in later part of 2009. The Budget from NSC is also less this year

4) One point that many missed, either Rashid or Misbun mentioned one time that LCW has to go so many tourneys cos if not, the MS dept has nothing to show. Which means they need the results to show the bosses and the back up MS arent rising up yet (same with most countries too).
But this was end of 2008, now economy down, sure go less tourney.:p

5) As I already mentioned many times, either WR#1 or WR#2 doesnt make much difference to LCW in terms of incentive from BAM - no 1 & 2 gets same quarterly incentive. That ranking has to be maintained 3 to 4 months, so LCW just have to maintain WR#2 enough already. Unless,of course, Yonex has given LCW different deal. ;)

6) Of course, the other reason of maintaining WR#1, is the draw, but I dont see it being favourable.

LD doesnt have to participate so many tourneys cos Team China is signed with Li Ning now, seems they dont sign with Yonex, so not obligated to participate in Yonex sponsored tourneys. And BAM's other main sponsor Proton might have certain requirements too.
:D

[chris-ccc]

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ctjcad ... Thank you for providing the data.

The data over the last decade shows why Lee Chong Wei, Lin Dan, Peter Gade and Taufik Hidayat are so special. To be in the top rankings, not only their skill level is necessary, but also their participation rate.

Players from China are currently ranked lower than they should. It is because of their lower participation rate. Not only in the CHN Mens Singles, but also in the Womens Singles, Womens Doubles and Mixed Doubles.

IMHO, Chen Long will come into the top rankings when CHN decides to participate in more tournaments (with him included). As Chen Long rises, probably Bao Chun Lai will fade away.
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[chris-ccc]

Reading the title "Lee Chong Wei to remain as World No. 1 until the 2012 Olympic Games", I thought the BWF had decided to keep Chong Wei at No. 1 until London :D

Since it's clear that chris is only speculating, the title is amended to a question :p



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:D:D:D Thank you Oldhand for amending the title.
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[ctjcad]

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The data over the last decade shows why Lee Chong Wei, Lin Dan, Peter Gade and Taufik Hidayat are so special. To be in the top rankings, not only their skill level is necessary, but also their participation rate.

Players from China are currently ranked lower than they should. It is because of their lower participation rate. Not only in the CHN Mens Singles, but also in the Womens Singles, Womens Doubles and Mixed Doubles.

IMHO, Chen Long will come into the top rankings when CHN decides to participate in more tournaments (with him included). As Chen Long rises, probably Bao Chun Lai will fade away.
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..as already mentioned by others in this thread.
The point is, there's no guarantee LCW or other current top 10 ranked players will stay where they are til 2012 OG. Too much unknown variables, uncontrollable factors & good players to take into account.

The only way, reasonably & at the same time unforeseeably to happen, for LCW to stay on top WR #1 til the 2012 OG is if the rest of the world ranked players decide to compete in 1/3 or 1/2 of the yearly SS tourneys and LCW decides to compete in all of the SS tourneys, from now til 2012.

As for BCL "fading away", i won't be surprised to see that..

Good to know the thread's titles had been "fairly" amended..:cool:

[ye333]

As if to support my analysis, CJ just pulled out of BAC to prepare for Sudirman (and treat his chronicle waist injury). :D

The situation is, all the players that have the ability to challenge LCW can be divided into the following categories

1. choose to attend only a few SSs (LD)
2. too old to consistently win titles (PG, TH)
3. have severe injury problems (BCL, CJ, SDK)

:cool:

CL will surely rise up to top 10 if given the chance, but No.1 is still clearly out of his reach.


..as already mentioned by others in this thread.
The point is, there's no guarantee LCW or other current top 10 ranked players will stay where they are til 2012 OG. Too much unknown variables, uncontrollable factors & good players to take into account.

The only way, reasonably & at the same time unforeseeably to happen, for LCW to stay on top WR #1 til the 2012 OG is if the rest of the world ranked players decide to compete in 1/3 or 1/2 of the yearly SS tourneys and LCW decides to compete in all of the SS tourneys, from now til 2012.

As for BCL "fading away", i won't be surprised to see that..

Good to know the thread's titles had been "fairly" amended..:cool:

[chris-ccc]

As long as Chen Long is given the opportunities to compete, which imo they should strongly go for, his ranking will move up quite a bit. How long or fast he'll move up, imo, it depends how many tournaments he's being sent to.



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In just a few hours' time Chen Long will be playing his first match (Round 1) at the 2009 Badminton Asia Championships (Suwon, Korea).

Will Chen Long's World Ranking move up after this tournament?
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[Wong8Egg]

Many people predict CH or XXZ will play until 08OG after the 04 edition, but they are simply wrong. Aside from the rising young guns who took over their spot, their performance also dropped drastically (XXZ especially). 4 years is a long time in sport, let alone remain in World No.1.

I think CJ and CL will be the biggest threat in the short-coming, and LD has the ability to take over anyday if he and team Chain decided to. This is not going to be easy for LCW.

[chris-ccc]

...... 4 years is a long time in sport, let alone remain in World No.1.

I think CJ and CL will be the biggest threat in the short-coming, and LD has the ability to take over anyday if he and team Chain decided to. This is not going to be easy for LCW.



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LCW stated that he would continue until the 2012 Olympic Games. My predictions are never that good, usually only 50% correct.

We witnessed that CHN is not that keen anymore to regain the World No.1 MS Ranking. Because of this, it seems that LCW could have a good chance of continuing to remain as the World No.1 until the 2012 Olympic Games.

This thread is created to monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei.

:):):)
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[ye333]

The situation is in fact totally different... The "rising young guns" (LD, BCL, LCW) after 04 OG were much stronger than those "rising guns" today, and there are "not-so-old guns" (PG, TH, LHI, KJ) who were at least the same level as XXZ and CH. In other words, the "environment" was much harder then for XXZ and CH. :cool:

Furthermore CH may indeed be able to play till 08 if he was not kicked out of the national team (and thus lost the superior training resource).


Many people predict CH or XXZ will play until 08OG after the 04 edition, but they are simply wrong. Aside from the rising young guns who took over their spot, their performance also dropped drastically (XXZ especially). 4 years is a long time in sport, let alone remain in World No.1.

I think CJ and CL will be the biggest threat in the short-coming, and LD has the ability to take over anyday if he and team Chain decided to. This is not going to be easy for LCW.

[ctjcad]

As if to support my analysis, CJ just pulled out of BAC to prepare for Sudirman (and treat his chronicle waist injury). :D

The situation is, all the players that have the ability to challenge LCW can be divided into the following categories

1. choose to attend only a few SSs (LD)
2. too old to consistently win titles (PG, TH)
3. have severe injury problems (BCL, CJ, SDK)

:cool:

CL will surely rise up to top 10 if given the chance, but No.1 is still clearly out of his reach.
..and guess where were LCW and LD, around the same time as now, after the 2000 OG??..Can you spot their WR then??..And compare their WR before, during and after the 2004 OG. And guess how long it took for them to reach their standing, just after the 2004 OG??..

I'm not saying Dragon Chen will be "the one" to challenge LCW and all the top players or reach the no.1 ranking, but he is "one to look out for"..in the near future..:cool:

[koo_fan]

I'm not saying Dragon Chen will be "the one" to challenge LCW and all the top players or reach the no.1 ranking, but he is "one to look out for"..in the near future..:cool:

That's how it should go.Chen Long is, for sure, have a great potential, by looking at his "I beat WR1 when i was seeded 100++." You can different interpretation but i think it wasn't ordinary.
whether he's going to make it or not, it's still not the time for judgement.

Lee Chong Wei is capable to keep his WR1, for quite some times. While waiting for the juniors who can challenged him to groom a little bit more, Lee Chong Wei has less to worry about. Others are not so interested with Rankings and all.
Lee Chong Wei and his coach should be able to secure major titles, though.
It'll be cool, and this can shut the criticizers' mouth up.

[ctjcad]

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Lee Chong Wei and his coach should be able to secure major titles, though.
It'll be cool, and this can shut the criticizers' mouth up.
..i hope that won't stir up another round of "Lovey Dovey Talk" from Pemuda..;)

[danielwong]

answer should be "NO"
i think LCW concern now should be winning major titles,
AE, OG, WC.....at least one of this title...
WR 1 is nothing for him now
like LD.....eventhough LD is not WR 1, but everybody knew he is the best around
LCW should focus on that rather than thinking of maintaining as WR 1 on paper...

[Oldhand]

Aside from the thread's topic, it's strange that many here see Chen Long as a threat to the top players.

Judging by his game at the India Open, he is hardly a great player. Yes, he is tall and powerfully built but his current skills are woefully inadequate to take on any of the senior players.

A fighter like Nguyen Tien Minh or Kuan Beng Hong or a clever player like Taufik Hidayat or Peter Gade would murder the Chen Long of today.

His footwork in his semifinal against Hafiz Hashim was embarrassing, although that could be due to the tricky nature of the Malaysian's game.

If Chen Long is champion material, we are talking about a few years ahead.
Right now, he is just another age-disguised China player pretending to be a junior.

Any threat to Lee Chong Wei (or Lin Dan) won't be coming from Chen Long.

[chris-ccc]

Aside from the thread's topic, it's strange that many here see Chen Long as a threat to the top players.

Judging by his game at the India Open, he is hardly a great player. Yes, he is tall and powerfully built but his current skills are woefully inadequate to take on any of the senior players.

A fighter like Nguyen Tien Minh or Kuan Beng Hong or a clever player like Taufik Hidayat or Peter Gade would murder the Chen Long of today.

His footwork in his semifinal against Hafiz Hashim was embarrassing, although that could be due to the tricky nature of the Malaysian's game.

If Chen Long is champion material, we are talking about a few years ahead.
Right now, he is just another age-disguised China player pretending to be a junior.

Any threat to Lee Chong Wei (or Lin Dan) won't be coming from Chen Long.



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At the 2009 BAC (Badminton Asia Championships) at Suwon, Korea (April 7-12), Chen Long will be on show again.

In Round 2, Chen Long will have his rematch with Hafiz Hashim. This match will commence tonight, Wednesday 8-April-2009, at 8:05pm (Korean time).

Let's have another look at Chen Long again. ;););)
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[limsy]

..and guess where were LCW and LD, around the same time as now, after the 2000 OG??..Can you spot their WR then??..And compare their WR before, during and after the 2004 OG. And guess how long it took for them to reach their standing, just after the 2004 OG??..


lindan already the top seed in 2004 og while lcw is:rolleyes:


A fighter like Nguyen Tien Minh or Kuan Beng Hong or a clever player like Taufik Hidayat or Peter Gade would murder the Chen Long of today.


how about the lazy hafiz?:rolleyes:

[chris-ccc]

how about the lazy hafiz?:rolleyes:



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If HH is lazy tonight, Wednesday 8-Apr-2009, at Round 2 of the BAC, Chen Long will defeat him. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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[limsy]

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If HH is lazy tonight, Wednesday 8-Apr-2009, at Round 2 of the BAC, Chen Long will defeat him. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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u mean hafiz is not lazy in india semis?:eek:

[chris-ccc]

u mean hafiz is not lazy in india semis? :eek:



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:D:D:D I thought HH was sweating while playing Chen Long at the 2009 India Open.
Therefore, HH was working pretty hard, wasn't he? ;););)
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[ctjcad]

Aside from the thread's topic, it's strange that many here see Chen Long as a threat to the top players.
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If Chen Long is champion material, we are talking about a few years ahead.
Right now, he is just another age-disguised China player pretending to be a junior.

Any threat to Lee Chong Wei (or Lin Dan) won't be coming from Chen Long.
..no, i don't think anyone is considering Chen Long as a threat to the top players, at least not now..and at least not in this thread..:cool:
Down the road, possible.
For one, Chen Long is no LinDan. If i recall:
- LD won the AJBC when he was 17(2000). Chen Long won his when he was 18 (2007).
- LD became the World No.1 player when he was 20 yrs. old (2003), just 1 yr before the 2004 OG. Chen Long is already 20 yrs. old and he's ranked below the #100s.
Perhaps not enough exposure for the young talent??..

lindan already the top seed in 2004 og while lcw is:rolleyes:
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...yes, i know LD was already the top seed in 2004. But do you know where he (and LCW) were ranked just after the 2000 OG, around the same time as now (April 2001)??..I've put a link to the MS World Ranking in the previous page, the post with datas shown (links in the middle part)..

[koo_fan]

i don't think anyone is considering Chen Long as a threat to the top players, at least not now..and at least not in this thread..:cool:
Down the road, possible.


Chris, a quick one. Does Chen Long have the guts to challenge the world beaters?
India Open isn't the only venue to judge him.His game with Chong Wei in 1st round and hafiz in semifinal are different.
So, overally, does he?

[limsy]

His game with Chong Wei in 1st round and hafiz in semifinal are different.
So, overally, does he?

do u already saw the match of lcw vs cl?:confused:
if no,why and how can u say it is different?:confused:

[koo_fan]

do u already saw the match of lcw vs cl?:confused:


Obviously, the result is different. He lost to Chong Wei and won over Hafiz.
See the difference?

[limsy]

Obviously, the result is different. He lost to Chong Wei and won over Hafiz.
See the difference?

u say,his game is different.not this:the result is different:rolleyes::confused:;)
anyway,hafiz have major title,lcw have ZERO major title
see the difference?;)

[koo_fan]

u say,his game is different.not this:the result is different:rolleyes::confused:;)
anyway,hafiz have major title,lcw have ZERO major title
see the difference?;)
How he played the game? lead to what's the result of the game? The collaboration of these two is pretty simple.

I am asking if Chen Long could be a big threat, without looking too much on his won over Chong Wei. He couldn't even beat Hafiz.
(I gave him the credits he deserved, he played well and Chong Wei wasn't, for whatever reasons)
But, I'm looking forward to see what others' think of this guy performance for the upcoming days.
limsy, give me a break.

[ye333]

It's not WR that matters. What matters is the level of play. Chinese superstars, like YY, ZJH, LD, usually are already at the highest level before 20.

For example, LD was in the MS final of 2001 All China Games, and lost to Luo YiGang in 3 games. He also beat the (then) reigning OG champion JXP if I remember correctly. ZJH beat all the top players convincingly when he was 19.

CL, on the other hand, is already 20 but still clearly below the level of most top 10 players (LD, LCW, PG, BCL, CJ, TH, SDK). Furthermore, taking into account his size, 2-3 years from now he may be troubled by injury (as BCL and CJ).

Overall, I doubt CL can reach higher than a typical 3rd or 4th MS in China. May end up similar to CY.


..and guess where were LCW and LD, around the same time as now, after the 2000 OG??..Can you spot their WR then??..And compare their WR before, during and after the 2004 OG. And guess how long it took for them to reach their standing, just after the 2004 OG??..

I'm not saying Dragon Chen will be "the one" to challenge LCW and all the top players or reach the no.1 ranking, but he is "one to look out for"..in the near future..:cool:

[jutawin]

high burden for LCW to remain as WR#1 until PG 2012..

[chris-ccc]

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When I created this thread, I was quite convinced that LCW would possibly remain as the World No.1 until the 2012 Olympic Games. It is the event where LCW said he would be retiring after participating in it.

One of the reasons for LCW to easily hold on to his No.1 World Ranking is that China appears not interested in regaining that position for CHN players anymore. The other reason is that, currently there is no player from outside China capable to topple LCW.

To put it in another way, what I am saying is that if LCW is to lose his No.1 World Ranking, it would be to a player from China. But since China is not interested, LCW could possibly remain as the World No.1, without much problem, until he retires after the 2012 Olympic Games.

:):):)
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[ctjcad]

Chris, a quick one. Does Chen Long have the guts to challenge the world beaters?
India Open isn't the only venue to judge him.His game with Chong Wei in 1st round and hafiz in semifinal are different.
So, overally, does he?
..well, if you're to ask me whether i think Dragon Chen has the gutso to challenge the world beaters, i can only give you a pseudo-on the fence opinion of "yes he does have the guts".
However, i can tell you, a lot of the PAWers had the gusto to PAW on Chen Long to redeem himself vs. HH, y'day.
And guess what, i'm sure you know what happened in their rematch..;)
Yes, India Open wasn't the only event to judge Dragon Chen. Nor is this yr's BAC, for us to judge him.

It's not WR that matters. What matters is the level of play. Chinese superstars, like YY, ZJH, LD, usually are already at the highest level before 20.

For example, LD was in the MS final of 2001 All China Games, and lost to Luo YiGang in 3 games. He also beat the (then) reigning OG champion JXP if I remember correctly. ZJH beat all the top players convincingly when he was 19.

CL, on the other hand, is already 20 but still clearly below the level of most top 10 players (LD, LCW, PG, BCL, CJ, TH, SDK). Furthermore, taking into account his size, 2-3 years from now he may be troubled by injury (as BCL and CJ).

Overall, I doubt CL can reach higher than a typical 3rd or 4th MS in China. May end up similar to CY.
..yes, regarding the differences between CL and LD, i've already somewhat mentioned about them in my post #55 (first portion), didn't i??

My point on bringing up the WR datas and that of LD's and LCW's ranking is to show that a player or players, given the right amt of tournaments exposure to participate in, can come out of nowhere and can shoot to the top in a matter of a few years. If you guys haven't realized, yes, both LD and LCW were not even in the WR record in April 2001 (abt 8 yrs ago). Compare to their standing in 2004/2005. Of course, it would take special talents like both of them to make it to the top. But to simply say a certain player will stay at his or her ranking for 3+ yrs and not take any account of other good players, unknown factors (other players retiring, change of BWF rulings and playing system etc.) & uncontrollable elements (injuries etc.) is i think a bit unrealistic.
Did you or anyone ever foresee LD reaching the MS WR#1 and staying there for a long time when he first competed professionally?

Thus, i mentioned, it is not an easy task for a player to stay at the top for a long time. Also, LD was basically dominant between 2004-2008 (except for a brief period in 2006, where LCW took over the #1 spot), partly due to the wealth of talented compatriots in the CHN squad (CJ & BCL to name a couple).
LCW??..

[Pemuda]

LCW to remain as WR1 till 2012 OG??

Lets not look that far ahead when it comes to LCW being WR1.

I would say that LCW wont be WR1 by end April 2010.

[Pemuda]

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Lee Chong Wei to remain as World No.1 until the 2012 Olympic Games

Greetings,

From we what have witnessed recently, China is no longer interested to have Lin Dan to regain his World No.1 position.

As disappointed as most of us BCers are (wanting to watch matches between Lee Chong Wei and Lin Dan), we might only get to watch them play each other in fewer occasions from now on.

IMHO, Lee Chong Wei could remain as World No.1 until he retires after the 2012 Olympic Games.

This thread is created to monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei.

Cheers... chris-ccc
:):):)
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This is mind boggling indeed.

'China is no longer interested to have LD to regain his World No.1 position'

First of all, common sense dictates that the MS WR1 is not solely owned by China (LD) and Malaysia (LCW) only.

In badminton, there are shuttlers from other nations like Indonesia etc who can and have produced top rate MS shuttlers who have held the WR1 before.

The OG 2012 is still a long time away and anything can happen between now and then.

Can I say this person has given up on Indonesia, Denmark, South Korea etc? :p:p:p

[chris-ccc]

......given up on Indonesia, Denmark, South Korea etc? :p:p:p



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It's not to say 'given up', but to say 'cannot find'.

Currently, if Lee Chong Wei's participation rate remains unchanged, he would surely hold the No.1 position for the next 12 months (that is to mid-2010).

Currently, if Lin Dan is to participate in more tournaments, he could be the most likely candidate to topple LCW by mid-2010. But CHN does not seem interested.

Some have said that Chen Long could be the one to topple Lee Chong Wei. If that is to happen, perhaps it could only be by early 2011. But we don't think it would happen if Lin Dan is still here. Why? Because we don't see that Chen Long is a better player than Lin Dan.

So here we are saying that if Lin Dan remains as the No.1 MS player for CHN, Chen Long would never get a chance to overtake Lee Chong Wei.

However, if Lin Dan is to allow Chen Long to become CHN's No.1 player, then perhaps Chen Long could topple Lee Chong Wei. But we know that Super Dan is a much better player than Chen Long (for the coming year or two).

Currently, we cannot find newer stronger Mens Singles players from Denmark, Indonesia, Korea, etc... Yes, perhaps some could appear later, perhaps in 2010 or in 2011. But it won't be likely that they could take away Lee Chong Wei' No.1 position by the time the 2012 Olympic Games Badminton event arrives.
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[volcom]

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It's not to say 'given up', but to say 'cannot find'.

Currently, if Lee Chong Wei's participation rate remains unchanged, he would surely hold the No.1 position for the next 12 months (that is to mid-2010).

Currently, if Lin Dan is to participate in more tournaments, he could be the most likely candidate to topple LCW by mid-2010. But CHN does not seem interested.

Some have said that Chen Long could be the one to topple Lee Chong Wei. If that is to happen, perhaps it could only be by early 2011. But we don't think it would happen if Lin Dan is still here. Why? Because we don't see that Chen Long is a better player than Lin Dan.

So here we are saying that if Lin Dan remains as the No.1 MS player for CHN, Chen Long would never get a chance to overtake Lee Chong Wei.

However, if Lin Dan is to allow Chen Long to become CHN's No.1 player, then perhaps Chen Long could topple Lee Chong Wei. But we know that Super Dan is a much better player than Chen Long (for the coming year or two).

Currently, we cannot find newer stronger Mens Singles players from Denmark, Indonesia, Korea, etc... Yes, perhaps some could appear later, perhaps in 2010 or in 2011. But it won't be likely that they could take away Lee Chong Wei' No.1 position by the time the 2012 Olympic Games Badminton event arrives.
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With age, LCW will slow down and get more injuries.
Don't think he will last very long as long as he continues to participate so much. He will be a spent-force like Chen Hong, who also won many titles.

[Oldhand]

[...]Currently, if Lee Chong Wei's participation rate remains unchanged, he would surely hold the No.1 position for the next 12 months (that is to mid-2010).[...]
'Participation' isn't going to help Chong Wei remain at No. 1.
'Winning' is what counts.

That raises the question: Can he keep winning?

Like what happened at the 2009 India Open, isn't it possible that Lee Chong Wei will run into another upstart or seasoned contender in one of the many many tournaments ahead?

I hope this is NOT another way of saying that Lee Chong Wei can't be beaten by anyone other than Lin Dan. Such an argument smacks of jingoism or misplaced optimism or both :p

[chris-ccc]

'Participation' isn't going to help Chong Wei remain at No. 1.
'Winning' is what counts.

That raises the question: Can he keep winning?



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Disagree. :p:p:p

With his big lead in the World Ranking points, Lee Chong Wei can still be No.1 if he is to come up as Runners-Up in all his tournament in 2009.


Like what happened at the 2009 India Open, isn't it possible that Lee Chong Wei will run into another upstart or seasoned contender in one of the many many tournaments ahead?

I hope this is NOT another way of saying that Lee Chong Wei can't be beaten by anyone other than Lin Dan. Such an argument smacks of jingoism or misplaced optimism or both :p



No, we are not here to say that Lee Chong Wei is unbeatable.

We are saying that no one (currently) can earn enough points to overtake him.
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[Oldhand]

'Participation' isn't going to help Chong Wei remain at No. 1.
'Winning' is what counts.

That raises the question: Can he keep winning?

Like what happened at the 2009 India Open, isn't it possible that Lee Chong Wei will run into another upstart or seasoned contender in one of the many many tournaments ahead?

I hope this is NOT another way of saying that Lee Chong Wei can't be beaten by anyone other than Lin Dan. Such an argument smacks of jingoism or misplaced optimism or both :p


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Disagree. :p:p:p

With his big lead in the World Ranking points, Lee Chong Wei can still be No.1 if he is to come up as Runners-Up in all his tournament in 2009[...]
Er, I don't see how he can become a Runner-Up without 'winning'.

If participation is enough, then he might as well do an 'India-Open-appearance' in every tournament ahead. That makes things a lot easier for him :o

[ants]

I would rather be a winner than just be No1. Like Tiger Woods, he is no longer no1. But people still remembers him as a Winner and a player who made the most impact in the game of GOLF.

[chris-ccc]

I would rather be a winner than just be No1. Like Tiger Woods, he is no longer no1. But people still remembers him as a Winner and a player who made the most impact in the game of GOLF.



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Yes ... In a way, Tiger Woods is like Lin Dan.

Knowing that they are excellent in their sports, the World Rankings do not matter much for them. ;););)
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[ctjcad]

This is mind boggling indeed.
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..just in case & just to cover all the bases in the likelihood scenario LCW's WR #1 is overtaken before the 2012 OG, chris@ccc has put forth a challenge that he doesn't see any other player(s) other than those from CHN would be able to claim the WR #1 spot...(post #63 & 67). In other words, if a player from CHN overtakes LCW's WR#1 spot before the 2012 OG, it is as expected.

Thus, this thread sounds more like "Which other non-CHN MS player9s) can challenge LCW and overtake his WR#1 spot before the 2012 OG??"...;)

[koo_fan]

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Currently, we cannot find newer stronger Mens Singles players from Denmark, Indonesia, Korea, etc... Yes, perhaps some could appear later, perhaps in 2010 or in 2011. But it won't be likely that they could take away Lee Chong Wei' No.1 position by the time the 2012 Olympic Games Badminton event arrives.


To keep his WR - I must say Lee Chong Wei played the biggest part. Neither Chen Long, nor anyone.

[pjswift]

How do you discuss sensibly when you don't seem to be on the same wavelength on 'winning'?
Chris' meaning of winning is 'winning titles'.
Oldhand's is just 'winning matches'
Ants' is being perceived a winner without winning.
What's a current WR1?
A current WR1 is a current superior mark of consistency.A former WR1 is an indication of former supremacy.It is not possible to be WR1 by just maximising tournament attendance.A player has to be able to reach or win finals most of the time to attain WR1.Sometimes they achieved it with assists (eg LD) and sometimes on their own(eg LCW) Certainly it's gonna be a lot tougher for LCW to maintain his WR1 on his own steam.
The interesting thing about LCW is that he has reached WR1 when there's still lots of room for improvement.Eg his tactics.As LM said,it's still behind LD. Can you imagine LCW playing even better when his tactics is superior even when his speed is less?
But to say that CHN seems not interested in WR is first class diplomacy.If CHN is not interested in WR, why would they bother to win? It's just not easy for CHN now as long as non-CHN teams maintain or increase their budget and continue to send their players for exposure.Non-CHN BAs determine CHN's progress through their participation strategy.Previously,non-CHN increase their budget for Olympics year.If they are smart, they should maintain or increase their budgets until their stars are more established in the rankings.Then they can cut down the budget to just maintain exposure for their top players.

[ants]

My Winner is Winner of Titles. Not Winner in 1st or 2nd rounds. This got nothing to do with LCW personally. What i mean is in General.

[Pemuda]

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It's not to say 'given up', but to say 'cannot find'.

Currently, if Lee Chong Wei's participation rate remains unchanged, he would surely hold the No.1 position for the next 12 months (that is to mid-2010).

Currently, if Lin Dan is to participate in more tournaments, he could be the most likely candidate to topple LCW by mid-2010. But CHN does not seem interested.

Some have said that Chen Long could be the one to topple Lee Chong Wei. If that is to happen, perhaps it could only be by early 2011. But we don't think it would happen if Lin Dan is still here. Why? Because we don't see that Chen Long is a better player than Lin Dan.

So here we are saying that if Lin Dan remains as the No.1 MS player for CHN, Chen Long would never get a chance to overtake Lee Chong Wei.

However, if Lin Dan is to allow Chen Long to become CHN's No.1 player, then perhaps Chen Long could topple Lee Chong Wei. But we know that Super Dan is a much better player than Chen Long (for the coming year or two).

Currently, we cannot find newer stronger Mens Singles players from Denmark, Indonesia, Korea, etc... Yes, perhaps some could appear later, perhaps in 2010 or in 2011. But it won't be likely that they could take away Lee Chong Wei' No.1 position by the time the 2012 Olympic Games Badminton event arrives.
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Lets not underrestimate badminton playing nations like Indonesia, Denmark, South Korea etc by one stroke of a brush, 'cannot find'. These nations have a successful tradition competing and winning the highest honours in badminton i.e OG gold, WC & AE.

Apr 2009 till OG 2012 is still a long way off. Anything can happen along the way.

LCW, by participating alone wont be guaranteed that WR1 spot because you need to be raking em' titles in by the bus loads to be WR1. Participation, good looks. sense of humour and all dont count.

It is not impossible for Chen Long or whoever from China to topple LCW even though he may not be as good as LD. As you have said, LD will only be participating in certain selected tournaments.

LCW is 27 years old and if you look at our Malaysian shuttlers track record, most of them will slide downhill once they hit their late 20s.

[drifit]

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Yes ... In a way, Tiger Woods is like Lin Dan.

Knowing that they are excellent in their sports, the World Rankings do not matter much for them. ;););)
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i dont mind not having big titles in hand.

but, as world number one from 2008-2012, that is 48 months or 208 weeks or 1,460 days. i want it.....:D:p. will it be a record? :D

[eaglehelang]

i dont mind not having big titles in hand.

but, as world number one from 2008-2012, that is 48 months or 208 weeks or 1,460 days. i want it.....:D:p. will it be a record? :D

Especially if the sponsors got pay incentive for maintaining WR#1 for XXX months/yrs.
Maybe our chris@ccc struck a wager with his buddies on this? That's why he started the thread?:p:p

[drifit]

by maintaining my world number 1, in 2010, i will be conferred "Tan Sri". by 2011, i will be 'Datuk Seri'. as i retired in 2012 with world number 1, i will be "Tun". when i am retired, what or why care about winning? big titles? AE champion? WC champion? Tun drifit.... no regret :D:p

[pjswift]

by maintaining my world number 1, in 2010, i will be conferred "Tan Sri". by 2011, i will be 'Datuk Seri'. as i retired in 2012 with world number 1, i will be "Tun". when i am retired, what or why care about winning? big titles? AE champion? WC champion? Tun drifit.... no regret :D:p
Are you trying to mock the ability to maintain a WR1? Why don't you do it when LD was WR1? How long was LD WR1?Are you suggesting LD's WR1 was laughable? I find this post embarrassing.Maybe it's a mod's privilege.

[Dato A]

Whether DLCW able or not able to maintain his WR1, he is still not the best badminton player in the world.....

[george@chongwei]

Whether DLCW able or not able to maintain his WR1, he is still not the best badminton player in the world.....
yep, maybe that's just your opinion.
However, others opinion might differ from yours of course;)

[OneToughBirdie]

yep, maybe that's just your opinion.
However, others opinion might differ from yours of course;)

If you poll BCers, majority would concur with Dato Asbullah and Dato LCW would admit LD is a better player. If you look at ex-CHN baddy players, whether by sheer winning achievements or length of time being the top gun in the game (i.e. the one to beat, now that is called pressure), LD could the best of them all, even top ZJH (I am bias because to me ZJH is the best player I ever seen play this game). Therefore, LCW being 2nd to LD is not a bad compliment, if LD is not playing in the same era as LCW, LCW could win a fair share of titles and LCW/TH could rule supreme during this era.
With LD pick-choose when to play, it is quite possible for LCW to be WR1 for a while but I ain’t optimistic till OG12 because 3.5 yrs is a lifetime in badminton and a lot can still happens, even cows could fly by then:D:p Also, CJ and CL (and other young guns) could catch up because they will play a lot till OG12 (LYB will want 3 players in OG), they are young, will improve and win their fair share.
The longer LCW keeps WR1, the bonus he collects RM180K a year plus winnings, lifetime pension (OG08 silver), endorsements, etc., that is big time business, of course the Dato or even Tan Sri titles are icing on the cake. LCW is the most successful MAS baddy player of all time in terms of $$$ earnings, only LD and maybe TH can pass him or some KOR players can match him. That is good for LCW and good for MAS baddy, it provides incentive for others to know that playing baddy (only if you are very good) is rewarding and has a future, otherwise potential players may choose to be book worms than to play baddy. But if players are no bloody good, they better be good at frying chow-kwai-teoh as a second career:D:p;)
LD has won more titles than anyone in history, one or more SS makes no difference to his legacy whereas one more OG12 gold, one or two AGs, more AEs and more WCs would surely makes him a legend over legends, a mark I can’t see anyone breaking in my lifetime. With LD reportedly making US4M last year, winning a SS is a measly US$20K and he only gets to keep half of that, why even bother risking injury, tired and over-exposure with so much hard work and the winnings can barely buy 2 Luis Vetton handbags for XXF unless we are talking about Chi-Cheung-Kai (Petaling Street) knock-offs:p:D
I can see LD training hard and play just enough to maintain top 2 placing in CHN team and gets to qualify for the majors, and when he does play, remains fresh and beat out whoever is the WR1 and make a mockery of the ranking system.
Of the 4 majors, the #1 target is one more OG12 gold and LD retires. I am just talking out loud, I guess LD is kicking himself for losing in OG04, because had he won OG04 gold, that could be 3 OG golds…guarantee for sure, a mark no one will, can or think of matching.

[Dato A]

yep, maybe that's just your opinion.
However, others opinion might differ from yours of course;)

I am waiting for somebody that is dare to make a statement that DLCW is the best ms badminton player in the world currently.

[s3160717]

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Lee Chong Wei to remain as World No.1 until the 2012 Olympic Games

Greetings,

From we what have witnessed recently, China is no longer interested to have Lin Dan to regain his World No.1 position.

As disappointed as most of us BCers are (wanting to watch matches between Lee Chong Wei and Lin Dan), we might only get to watch them play each other in fewer occasions from now on.

IMHO, Lee Chong Wei could remain as World No.1 until he retires after the 2012 Olympic Games.

This thread is created to monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei.

Cheers... chris-ccc
:):):)
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I think it would be nobody if LinDan exchanged to new career "mendouble"

[chris-ccc]

Maybe our chris@ccc struck a wager with his buddies on this? That's why he started the thread?:p:p



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:D:D:D eaglehelang ... No, it's not a wager. Some of my buddies do not understand how the World Ranking works.

Some think that if a player is ranked World No.1, then that player must be the most skillful player in the world. Of course, this is not always true.

And some think that if a player is the best player in the world, then that player will be ranked World No.1. Of course this is also not true.

Many do not know that a player's position is determined by just adding their points earned at tournaments. And points are earned when the player wins matches.

On this note, let's have a look at the points earned by some of the players;
(Ranked as at 9-April-2009)
1. Lee Chong Wei ............. 84,179
2. Lin Dan ........................ 66,940
3. Chen Jin ...................... 65,804
4. Peter Gade .................. 64,683
5. Sony Kuncoro .............. 60,927
6. Taufik Hidayat ............. 58,943
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100. Chen Long ............... 13,170

In previous posts, it was said that Lin Dan is no longer interested in regaining the No.1 position. Perhaps the current big difference in points between him and Lee Chong Wei has discouraged him from making a chase.

Comments were also made that injuries could prevent Lee Chong Wei from participating in more tournaments. This is true. If matches are not played, no points can be earned.

But it looks like Lee Chong Wei is OK at the moment (let's forget the food poisoning incidence). He appears to be determined to surge further ahead. He is saying to the others "Catch me if you can". ;););)
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[cooler]

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On this note, let's have a look at the points earned by some of the players;
(Ranked as at 9-April-2009)
1. Lee Chong Wei ............. 84,179
2. Lin Dan ........................ 66,940
3. Chen Jin ...................... 65,804
4. Peter Gade .................. 64,683
5. Sony Kuncoro .............. 60,927
6. Taufik Hidayat ............. 58,943
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100. Chen Long ............... 13,170

In previous posts, it was said that Lin Dan is no longer interested in regaining the No.1 position. Perhaps the current big difference in points between him and Lee Chong Wei has discouraged him from making a chase.

.i can assure that is not LD's reason for not regaining #1.

[Oldhand]

Being No.2 works better for Lin Dan in any tournament that has Lee Chong Wei too.

If Lin Dan is No.1 and Lee Chong Wei is No.2, the No.3 will always be in Lin Dan's half of the draw. That is not very advantageous to Team China, is it? ;)

If Lee Chong Wei is No.1 and Lin Dan is No.2, the No.3 goes to Chong Wei's half. That makes the route to the final more hazardous for Chong Wei and also allows Lin Dan to meet No.4 or No.5 (depending on who is competing in that tourney).

If I were Li Yongbo, I would keep Lin Dan lower in the ranking.
After all, rankings don't win the Olympic Gold or the All England! ;)

[paulstevo]

i can assure that is not LD's reason for not regaining #1.
Well what is the reason as it seems pretty strange to not try and catch up..
Do you not think he owes it to all the fans worldwide to attempt to catch up?

[bananakid]

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:D:D:D eaglehelang ... No, it's not a wager. Some of my buddies do not understand how the World Ranking works.

Some think that if a player is ranked World No.1, then that player must be the most skillful player in the world. Of course, this is not always true.

And some think that if a player is the best player in the world, then that player will be ranked World No.1. Of course this is also not true.

Many do not know that a player's position is determined by just adding their points earned at tournaments. And points are earned when the player wins matches.

On this note, let's have a look at the points earned by some of the players;
(Ranked as at 9-April-2009)
1. Lee Chong Wei ............. 84,179
2. Lin Dan ........................ 66,940
3. Chen Jin ...................... 65,804
4. Peter Gade .................. 64,683
5. Sony Kuncoro .............. 60,927
6. Taufik Hidayat ............. 58,943
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100. Chen Long ............... 13,170

In previous posts, it was said that Lin Dan is no longer interested in regaining the No.1 position. Perhaps the current big difference in points between him and Lee Chong Wei has discouraged him from making a chase.

Comments were also made that injuries could prevent Lee Chong Wei from participating in more tournaments. This is true. If matches are not played, no points can be earned.

But it looks like Lee Chong Wei is OK at the moment (let's forget the food poisoning incidence). He appears to be determined to surge further ahead. He is saying to the others "Catch me if you can". ;););)
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Lin Dan competed in only 8 tournaments and gained 66,940 points
while LCW competed in 10 tournaments and gained 84,179 points.

If Lin Dan competes in 2 others super series in which he did not participated in last year (eg. Singapore, and Indo) and win both of them, chances are good that he will be very close to LCW(assuming he stays the same, or gains a bit) in ranking points, if not surpass him.

9200 points for winner x2 = 18400
84,179 - 66940 = 17,239

Just the same as 2006, the reason why LCW gained his #1 spot for about 2 months was because of Lin Dan's lack of tournament participation.

Talk about "catch me if you can" LOLLLLLL... ROFL, LMAO... try telling LCW to catch up to the number of major titles won by Lin Dan instead.

To make it sound worse, even Hafiz had an All England title to show for, while LCW has nothing worthy at all. LCW should at least try to catch Hafiz first, before his fan starts to ask other pros to catch him.

[Ferrerkiko]

Lee chong wei should be beware of china latest weapon ,,, newbie Chen Long.. who eliminated him in the first round..

[Pemuda]

Are you trying to mock the ability to maintain a WR1? Why don't you do it when LD was WR1? How long was LD WR1?Are you suggesting LD's WR1 was laughable? I find this post embarrassing.Maybe it's a mod's privilege.

Can you lighten up a little? This is only a badminton forum not the UN. We are chatting about some guy in tight shorts prancing around with a badminton racquet not North Korea's long range missile tests.

[Pemuda]

Talk about "catch me if you can" LOLLLLLL... ROFL, LMAO... try telling LCW to catch up to the number of major titles won by Lin Dan instead.

To make it sound worse, even Hafiz had an All England title to show for, while LCW has nothing worthy at all. LCW should at least try to catch Hafiz first, before his fan starts to ask other pros to catch him.

You said it spot on, bro!
Its the titles that counts, major titles. And LD have loads of em' tucked away in his trophy cabinet. Forget about OG gold or WC, LCW can even muster one single AE title.

'Catch me if you can' ... I would say this is the typical Malaysia Boleh 'syiok sendiri' syndrome.

[chris-ccc]

I am waiting for somebody that is dare to make a statement that DLCW is the best ms badminton player in the world currently.






There have been many threads where we have discussed and debated on who is the best player in the world. This is not one of them.



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Please be reminded that this thread is about World Rankings. This thread is not about who is the best Badminton player in the world. Although the better players and the higher ranked players are found almost in the same subject/topic, let us talk more about their World Rankings.



Being No.2 works better for Lin Dan in any tournament that has Lee Chong Wei too.

If Lin Dan is No.1 and Lee Chong Wei is No.2, the No.3 will always be in Lin Dan's half of the draw. That is not very advantageous to Team China, is it? ;)

If Lee Chong Wei is No.1 and Lin Dan is No.2, the No.3 goes to Chong Wei's half. That makes the route to the final more hazardous for Chong Wei and also allows Lin Dan to meet No.4 or No.5 (depending on who is competing in that tourney).

If I were Li Yongbo, I would keep Lin Dan lower in the ranking.
After all, rankings don't win the Olympic Gold or the All England! ;)



This is true. In previous years Li Yongbo kept CHN players ranking in the World No.1 and 2 positions. It was to ensure that CHN players are seeded No.1 and 2 at tournaments, and therefore they won't meet each other before arriving at the Finals.

Now, with CHN players participating in lesser tournaments, we find them ranked lower. They are now facing each other in earlier rounds.

Let us look at Womens Singles at the 2009 Badminton Asia Championships happening today, Friday April 10.

CHN players facing each other at the WS Quarter-Finals:
* Xie Xingfang [5] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=74)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN) -vs- http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN)Lu Lan [2] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=73)
* Wang Lin [3] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=76)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN) -vs- http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN)Jiang Yanjiao (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=78)

And at the Semi-Finals, it's expected that we have;
* Wang Yihan [8] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=77)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN) -vs- http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN)Lu Lan [2] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=73)
* Wang Lin [3] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=76)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN) -vs- http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN)Zhu Lin [6] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=75)

Will we see CHN No.1 and 2 at the Finals? Which is this match;
* Wang Lin [3] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=76)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN) -vs- http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN)Lu Lan [2] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=73)

:):):)
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[robin7]

Being No.2 works better for Lin Dan in any tournament that has Lee Chong Wei too.

If Lin Dan is No.1 and Lee Chong Wei is No.2, the No.3 will always be in Lin Dan's half of the draw. That is not very advantageous to Team China, is it? ;)

If Lee Chong Wei is No.1 and Lin Dan is No.2, the No.3 goes to Chong Wei's half. That makes the route to the final more hazardous for Chong Wei and also allows Lin Dan to meet No.4 or No.5 (depending on who is competing in that tourney).

If I were Li Yongbo, I would keep Lin Dan lower in the ranking.
After all, rankings don't win the Olympic Gold or the All England! ;)
Are you sure about this?

WN3 being in the same half as LD is a good news to CHN, isn't it?:rolleyes:
WN3 being in the same half as LCW is a better news to CHN, isn't it?:rolleyes:

To me, it doesn't matter whether LD is #1 or #2 as far as CHN team is concerned.

If WN3 is in the same half as LCW, he needs to beat another CHN before the finals. Otherwise, his opponent in the finals will have a virtual walkover in the semi. To me, it's not much difference to LCW.

The answer to the thread it "possible".

But to me, LCW should keep himself in the top 2 till 2012 London OG while trying to win some majors (AE & WC).

[Athelete1234]

I dont' find CHN playing less tournaments....they just skipped the first 2 for training and the elite squad didn't attend the german open.

[pjswift]

Can you lighten up a little? This is only a badminton forum not the UN. We are chatting about some guy in tight shorts prancing around with a badminton racquet not North Korea's long range missile tests.
I forgot to elaborate why I found the drifit's post embarrassing.It's because the gist of it is rather infantile. I thought it came from you but to originate from a mod who presumably must be more mature in thinking.....

[pjswift]

Lin Dan competed in only 8 tournaments and gained 66,940 points
while LCW competed in 10 tournaments and gained 84,179 points.

If Lin Dan competes in 2 others super series in which he did not participated in last year (eg. Singapore, and Indo) and win both of them, chances are good that he will be very close to LCW(assuming he stays the same, or gains a bit) in ranking points, if not surpass him.

9200 points for winner x2 = 18400
84,179 - 66940 = 17,239

Just the same as 2006, the reason why LCW gained his #1 spot for about 2 months was because of Lin Dan's lack of tournament participation.

Talk about "catch me if you can" LOLLLLLL... ROFL, LMAO... try telling LCW to catch up to the number of major titles won by Lin Dan instead.

To make it sound worse, even Hafiz had an All England title to show for, while LCW has nothing worthy at all. LCW should at least try to catch Hafiz first, before his fan starts to ask other pros to catch him.
Well, maybe you should ask why he skipped SO and IO.Cannot be the humidity because he had played well in Singapore and Indonesia before.The crowd may not be his favourite but why should he let that stop him?Actually with TH's renewed interest and heightened motivation for badminton,TH 's heading towards WR2.
WR2 will be keenly contested first.

[pjswift]

Being No.2 works better for Lin Dan in any tournament that has Lee Chong Wei too.

If Lin Dan is No.1 and Lee Chong Wei is No.2, the No.3 will always be in Lin Dan's half of the draw. That is not very advantageous to Team China, is it? ;)

If Lee Chong Wei is No.1 and Lin Dan is No.2, the No.3 goes to Chong Wei's half. That makes the route to the final more hazardous for Chong Wei and also allows Lin Dan to meet No.4 or No.5 (depending on who is competing in that tourney).

If I were Li Yongbo, I would keep Lin Dan lower in the ranking.
After all, rankings don't win the Olympic Gold or the All England! ;)
Don't think the draw is fixed that way;it just happened unless you have checked that historically it's a constant.
Well, it looks like LYB is thinking what you're thinking...if LD does not turn up for SO and IO,it would indicate that LYB is keeping LD lower in the ranking for draw strategic reasons.
I doubt a lower ranking for LD will help him win more titles.

[bananakid]

Well, maybe you should ask why he skipped SO and IO.Cannot be the humidity because he had played well in Singapore and Indonesia before.The crowd may not be his favourite but why should he let that stop him?Actually with TH's renewed interest and heightened motivation for badminton,TH 's heading towards WR2.
WR2 will be keenly contested first.

You probably knew the answer, but your brain chose to hide it in a dark deep corner so the pain won't bother you very day since August 2008.:crying:

Let me do you a favor and remind you once again the simple answer of why Lin Dan skipped Singapore and INA open last year... preparing for OG08 and looked how well that worked for him, easily thrashed LCW for the gold medal with a score line of 21-12, 21-8.:cool:

[Pemuda]

I forgot to elaborate why I found the drifit's post embarrassing.It's because the gist of it is rather infantile. I thought it came from you but to originate from a mod who presumably must be more mature in thinking.....

Whether it came from me or whether you thought the gist of it is rather infantile, you still need to lighten up. It is obvious drifit's remarks had you foaming at the mouth. Everyone here is entitled to his/her opinion, so take it easy if you find an opinion not to your liking.

Act your age rather than your shoe size.

[Pemuda]

You probably knew the answer, but your brain chose to hide it in a dark deep corner so the pain won't bother you very day since August 2008.:crying:

Let me do you a favor and remind you once again the simple answer of why Lin Dan skipped Singapore and INA open last year... preparing for OG08 and looked how well that worked for him, easily thrashed LCW for the gold medal with a score line of 21-12, 21-8.:cool:

Lol ... deep dark corner :D:p
And I think this little 'deep dark corner' in pjswift's brain is preventing her from seeing the facts.
Very sad and pitiful, actually.

[george@chongwei]

You said it spot on, bro!
Its the titles that counts, major titles. And LD have loads of em' tucked away in his trophy cabinet. Forget about OG gold or WC, LCW can even muster one single AE title.

'Catch me if you can' ... I would say this is the typical Malaysia Boleh 'syiok sendiri' syndrome.
ouch, maybe your last sentence in this post you can take it back.:(
err, MAS boleh to you.

[Pemuda]

ouch, maybe your last sentence in this post you can take it back.:(
err, MAS boleh to you.

Opps, my mistake. My bad.
I mean, LCW cant even muster one single AE.
I have no probs owning up.

Anyway, still dont change the fact that despite the little 'catch me if you can', LCW is still short of major titles.

[chris-ccc]

Many do not know that a player's position is determined by just adding their points earned at tournaments. And points are earned when the player wins matches.

On this note, let's have a look at the points earned by some of the players;
(Ranked as at 9-April-2009)
1. Lee Chong Wei ............. 84,179
2. Lin Dan ........................ 66,940
3. Chen Jin ...................... 65,804
4. Peter Gade .................. 64,683
5. Sony Kuncoro .............. 60,927
6. Taufik Hidayat ............. 58,943
..................................................
100. Chen Long ............... 13,170


But it looks like Lee Chong Wei is OK at the moment (let's forget the food poisoning incidence). He appears to be determined to surge further ahead. He is saying to the others "Catch me if you can". ;););)






Please be reminded that this thread is about World Rankings. This thread is not about who is the best Badminton player in the world. Although the better players and the higher ranked players are found almost in the same subject/topic, let us talk more about their World Rankings.



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:D:D:D Yes, I am the one to post that Lee Chong Wei appears to be determined to surge further ahead in terms of World Rankings.

The "Catch me if you can" is meant for players wishing to topple him in his World Ranking position.

;););)
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[chris-ccc]

u have no problems with short forms, its a relieve. fine then.

ok, i had already pm you the answer for this question to avoid getting out of the topic here.



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george@chongwei ... Thank you for using PM for matters not related to this thread's topic.

It wasn't long ago when a thread was locked because our BCers were posting in that 'Badminton Tournaments' thread; How good or poor in the English language our Badminton Central members are? :(:(:(
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[eaglehelang]

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:D:D:D eaglehelang ... No, it's not a wager. Some of my buddies do not understand how the World Ranking works.

..............
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In that case, why is LCW remaining WR#1 important to you? It doesnt quite work in LCW's favour, as you know. And as I already explained, he only needs to maintain top 2 WR for the BAM incentive.
Unless of course, a) he finds the draw more favourable for him as WR#1
b) the sponsors have made changes to his contract that rewards for WR#1 for XXX months/years is more.

[chris-ccc]

In that case, why is LCW remaining WR#1 important to you?



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It is not that LCW remaining as WR#1 is important to me.

Our Badminton players and I had a discussions at makan after one of our club sessions. Many of our players are Malaysians. We started talking about whether LCW can remain as World No.1 until the next Olympic Games.

So I created this thread to check what our worldwide BCers think.

:):):)
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[chris-ccc]

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The 2009 Badminton Asia Championships is at its Semi-Finals stage today, Saturday 11-Apr-2009.

The Mens Singles semi-finalists are:
* Bao Chunlai (CHN) [seeded 4] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=6)
* Sasaki Sho (JPN) [seeded 9] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=23)
* Du Pengyu (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=10) (CHN) [not seeded] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN)
* Chen Long (CHN) [not seeded] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=9)

In our earlier posts, we were asking if Chen Long is the newest rising star from China.

After this tournament, we shall see if Du Pengyu can do better Chen Long, and also if Bao Chunlai can manage to remain high above these 2 young guns.
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[Pemuda]

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:D:D:D Yes, I am the one to post that Lee Chong Wei appears to be determined to surge further ahead in terms of World Rankings.

The "Catch me if you can" is meant for players wishing to topple him in his World Ranking position.

;););)
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Rather than the 'Catch me if you can' thingy, it would be more tangible if LCW win some major titles to go along with that WR1.

20 years or so from now, people aint gonna be talking about so and so was WR1 for so and so period. People remember great shuttlers by the major titles they won. Or else we may as well conclude the Harlem Globetrotters as the best basketball team out there.

:)

[chris-ccc]

Rather than the 'Catch me if you can' thingy, it would be more tangible if LCW win some major titles to go along with that WR1.

20 years or so from now, people aint gonna be talking about so and so was WR1 for so and so period. People remember great shuttlers by the major titles they won. Or else we may as well conclude the Harlem Globetrotters as the best basketball team out there.

:)



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This thread is not talking about Lee Chong Wei wanting to be remembered as a great shuttler.

However, if LCW could achieve staying ranked as World No.1 until the 2012 Olympic Games, then we would remember him as a great shuttler who could retain his World No.1 for a lengthy period of time. But many BCers have already posted, stating doubts that he could achieve it.

Talking about great past players, I wonder if we are thinking along these lines?
Best player ........ One who has won major titles and who has been ranked World No.1
Better player ...... One who has won major titles or who has been ranked World No.1
Average player ... One who has not won major titles and who has not been ranked World No.1

However, I would like us to stay on topic, that is to talk about the World Rankings and not about the winning of major titles.

:):):)
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[Pemuda]

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This thread is not talking about Lee Chong Wei wanting to be remembered as a great shuttler.

However, if LCW could achieve staying ranked as World No.1 until the 2012 Olympic Games, then we would remember him as a great shuttler who could retain his World No.1 for a lengthy period of time. But many BCers have already posted, stating doubts that he could achieve it.

Talking about great past players, I wonder if we are thinking along these lines?
Best player ........ One who has won major titles and who has been ranked World No.1
Better player ...... One who has won major titles or who has been ranked World No.1
Average player ... One who has not won major titles and who has not been ranked World No.1

However, I would like us to stay on topic, that is to talk about the World Rankings and not about the winning of major titles.

:):):)
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First of all, lets be reminded that this is a forum. And in a forum there are diverse views.

By stating the need for LCW to have some major titles tucked away to compliment his WR1 is not straying off topic because any WR1 should have em' major titles to justify their #1 ranking.

As for great players in the past, they are in the great category because of the titles they won, major ones.

[chris-ccc]

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The MS Semi-Finals results at the 2009 Badminton Asia Championships today, Saturday, April 11

Bao Chunlai [4] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=6)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN) defeated http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/JPN.gif [JPN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=JPN)Sasaki Sho [9] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=23) 22-20, 21-10 in 35 mins

Chen Long (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=9)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN) defeated http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif [CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN)Du Pengyu (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=10) 21-16, 28-26 in 61 mins

BTW, here are their current World Rankings:
12 ..... Bao Chunlai (CHN) [seeded 4] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=6)
31 ..... Sasaki Sho (JPN) [seeded 9] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=23)
100 ... Chen Long (CHN) [not seeded] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=9)
146 ... Du Pengyu (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=10) (CHN) [not seeded] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN)

Can Chen Long defeat Bao Chunlai at the Finals tomorrow?
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[chris-ccc]

First of all, lets be reminded that this is a forum. And in a forum there are diverse views.

By stating the need for LCW to have some major titles tucked away to compliment his WR1 is not straying off topic because any WR1 should have em' major titles to justify their #1 ranking.

As for great players in the past, they are in the great category because of the titles they won, major ones.



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All the time here, we thought we are talking about the Ranking System used by BWF.
Believe it or not, under the BWF Ranking System, a player does not need to win major titles to become World No.1.
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[Pemuda]

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All the time here, we thought we are talking about the Ranking System used by BWF.
Believe it or not, under the BWF Ranking System, a player does not need to win major titles to become World No.1.
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We are talking about BWF ranking system here?? :o I thought the thread is about whether LCW will remain as WR1 till the OG 2012??? Believe BWF ranking system & whether LCW be WR1 come OG 2012 are both two different and separate subjects.

A true ... again, the keyword is 'true' WR1 would have some major titles nicely put away for safekeeping. Look at tennis for example, the current #1, Nadal has a host of biggies in his cabinet. The same with the women's #1, Serena Williams, she too has a bucketful of big titles. Look at golf, the current #1, Tiger Woods has numerous majors in his private collection. Even WS badminton WR1, Tine Rasmussen have won the AE.

Anyway, all I am saying is that as a WR1, it would be nice to have at least one major title to compliment that WR1. But yes, its fine to set aside those major honours and just celebrate and cheer as loud as we can for LCW on his WR1. I honestly have no problems with this 'syiok sendiri' initiative. It is like the Harlem Globetrotters telling everyone that they are a better team than the Boston Celtics.

[limsy]

world number one is not from the bwf world ranking system?:rolleyes:

[chris-ccc]

We are talking about BWF ranking system here?? :o



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Of course we are talking about the BWF Ranking System here at Badminton Central. If not, we might as well not talk about Rankings at all. For we could be comparing apples to oranges. :rolleyes:

But if any BCers can come up with a better Ranking System, please let us know.

We can test it out at our Badminton Central PAW Games. And if it works, we can try to convince BWF to use it. :p
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[koo_fan]

world number one is not from the bwf world ranking system?:rolleyes:


Yes. it comes from the Badminton World Federation. But seriously, in our slightest mind, is Lee Chong Wei really the best?

It isn't enjoyable to predict an official WR#1 to be defeated by WR#2 all the way.
The pride of being WR1 is gone. Neil.
When people are demand for major titles, in this case, Pemuda demand one major title from Lee Chong Wei, in order to acknowledge him as the TRUE WR1, i am in.
We need to tell Lee Chong Wei, that he could do it any better than what he had done now. No limitation to keep on trying.
Sorry, chris. one OT post from me.

My answer to the thread question is Yes. the most significant reason is, if he keep improving. If he does, he could win major titles, as a complement of his WR1 title

[chris-ccc]

world number one is not from the bwf world ranking system? :rolleyes:



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Yes, I was puzzled too. If we don't have a standard Ranking System (where most BCers accept the BWF System to be the one), then how are we to continue our discussion here? :confused::confused::confused:

One could be talking about Summer, while the other could talking about Winter.
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[limsy]

wr 1 = world BEST player?
bwf say so?:confused:

[chris-ccc]

Yes. it comes from the Badminton World Federation. But seriously, in our slightest mind, is Lee Chong Wei really the best?



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In this thread, we are talking about the players' World Rankings. We are not talking about who is more skillful and/or better than other.

:(:(:(
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[chris-ccc]

wr 1 = world BEST player?
bwf say so? :confused:



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:D:D:D You are sending us a riddle to solve again. :D:D:D

Of course, the World No.1 doesn't have to be the World Best player.

Just consider this: A player who participates in all tournaments (say 52 tournaments in a year). He/she, even though finishing as runners-up in all the 52 tournaments, can be World No.1. It's how the system works. Just add up the points gained at all his/her tournaments.
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[koo_fan]

Yes. it comes from the Badminton World Federation. But seriously, in our slightest mind, is Lee Chong Wei really the best?
.......Sorry, chris. one OT post from me.....



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In this thread, we are talking about the players' World Rankings. We are not talking about who is more skillful and/or better than other.

Yes, that's why i apologize, Chris.:o

[eaglehelang]

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But if any BCers can come up with a better Ranking System, please let us know.

We can test it out at our Badminton Central PAW Games. And if it works, we can try to convince BWF to use it. :p
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LOL, that's a good one chris :p, Hauge & Krisna can do some of the promoting.
In any case, many of the points already covered for now in these pages. If LD (& Team CHina) continues selective participation, then we may only see changes in 2010. And also we need to wait until after TC & WC 2010 to see who retires (PG did indicate he might retire by then) & who are the young guns that are rising up the rankings.;)

[Pemuda]

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Of course we are talking about the BWF Ranking System here at Badminton Central. If not, we might as well not talk about Rankings at all. For we could be comparing apples to oranges. :rolleyes:

In the forum yes, BUT this thread is about whether LCW will still be WR1 come the OG 2012.

We are discussing whether LCW can maintain his WR1 come OG 2012 here in this thread (please refer to the title of this thread). We are not discussing BWF ranking system here in this thread.


But if any BCers can come up with a better Ranking System, please let us know.

Again, this thread is not about BWF ranking system or suggestions to upgrade/improve/tweak the current system. The title of this thread is 'Will LCW remain World No.1 until 2012OG'

For those having trouble understanding the title of this thread, maybe it is time to invest in a pocket size dictionary.


We can test it out at our Badminton Central PAW Games. And if it works, we can try to convince BWF to use it. :p
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There is a big difference between LCW maintaining his WR1 come 2012 OG and testing out some new ranking system in BC. It is amazing how some find it hard to understand the title of this thread.

[chris-ccc]

LOL, that's a good one chris :p, Hauge & Krisna can do some of the promoting.
In any case, many of the points already covered for now in these pages. If LD (& Team CHina) continues selective participation, then we may only see changes in 2010. And also we need to wait until after TC & WC 2010 to see who retires (PG did indicate he might retire by then) & who are the young guns that are rising up the rankings.;)



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It is expected that CHN will come FULL FORCE as the 2012 Olympic Games approaches. It is when they will try to field in 3 entries per event.

The rest of the world will have to wait and see. If CHN players can qualify to have 3 entries per event, why not?

I am never against rules as set. Because the rules set apply to everyone.

:):):)
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[chris-ccc]

For those having trouble understanding the title of this thread, maybe it is time to invest in a pocket size dictionary.

There is a big difference between LCW maintaining his WR1 come 2012 OG and testing out some new ranking system in BC. It is amazing how some find it hard to understand the title of this thread.



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:D:D:D Here, we do not need a pocket size dictionary. We only need to understand how our BWF Ranking System works.

Perhaps my explanation on how the BWF Ranking System works is not clear/complete.

Could some BCers bring in some new items that I have missed explaining? :o:o:o

Also could our moderators change the title of this thread to "Will Lee Chong Wei remain as BWF World No.1 until 2012 OG?". This will prevent debates if we have our own concepts of who should be World No.1.
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[Pemuda]

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In this thread, we are talking about the players' World Rankings. We are not talking about who is more skillful and/or better than other.
:(:(:(.

The thread has now changed to BWF ranking system and about players' world rankings??:o The thread now is no longer specifically about LCW and whether the man can still remain as WR1 come OG 2012.


Despite what was said below, the thread now is about BWF ranking system :o



When I created this thread, I was quite convinced that LCW would possibly remain as the World No.1 until the 2012 Olympic Games.


This thread is created to monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei.

:):):)


This thread hopes to keep a close watch over any player(s) who could come forward to challenge him.


This thread is created to monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei.

Cheers... chris-ccc
:):):)


That's precisely the main point. Currently, we see no player, other than our great Lin Dan, to challenge Lee Chong Wei's World #1 position.

This is why this thread is created: Who do we think can overtake LCW from his WR #1 position?

[chris-ccc]

The thread has now changed to BWF ranking system and about players' world rankings??:o The thread now is no longer specifically about LCW and whether the man can still remain as WR1 come OG 2012.



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As long as LCW is still World No.1, this thread could be active.
As soon as LCW is toppled, this thread might not be active anymore.
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[Pemuda]

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:D:D:D Here, we do not need a pocket size dictionary. We only need to understand how our BWF Ranking System works.

Perhaps my explanation on how the BWF Ranking System works is not clear/complete.

Could some BCers bring in some new items that I have missed explaining? :o:o:o

Also could our moderators change the title of this thread to "Will Lee Chong Wei remain as BWF World No.1 until 2012 OG?". This will prevent debates if we have our own concepts of who should be World No.1.
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A pocket dictionary is indeed needed, and urgently too because this thread is not about the BWF ranking system or how the ranking system works. This thread is specifically about whether LCW can remain as WR1 come OG 2012 as suggested by the title of this thread.

A standard 2 student will be able to tell and understand from the title of this thread that this thread is not about BWF ranking system or how the system works. :)

Anyway, please re-read this posting http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1143744&postcount=116 this is where the BWF ranking system 'suddenly' popped up.

And this is where it gets interesting; http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1143788&postcount=117

Even if the mods changed the title, this thread is still specifically about whether LCW can maintain his WR1 by 2012.

I am truly amazed! :D

[Pemuda]

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As long as LCW is still World No.1, this thread could be active.
As soon as LCW is toppled, this thread might not be active anymore.
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Is this thread about BWF ranking system and how it works or is this thread about LCW?

[Pemuda]

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It is expected that CHN will come FULL FORCE as the 2012 Olympic Games approaches. It is when they will try to field in 3 entries per event.

The rest of the world will have to wait and see. If CHN players can qualify to have 3 entries per event, why not?

I am never against rules as set. Because the rules set apply to everyone.

:):):)
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Maybe I missed some action in the last Beijing Olympics. Are you saying China took an 'easy going' approach in the last Olympics?

No wonder LD was taking it easy in the final against LCW :rolleyes:

[eaglehelang]

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It is expected that CHN will come FULL FORCE as the 2012 Olympic Games approaches. It is when they will try to field in 3 entries per event.

The rest of the world will have to wait and see. If CHN players can qualify to have 3 entries per event, why not?
...............

:):):)
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Hmmm, that should be sometime 3rd quarter of 2010 or early 2011. That's when the young guns like Chen Long et al really need to participate to move up the rankings. Now, still too early to tell but at the moment, looks like BCL may be losing a shot at his 3rd OG, with a young gun taking over his spot. He might even have to retire bf 2012 if his knees dont heal up well.

Chen Jin with his chronic back injury doesnt look like the one to "challenge" the spot, either by design or strategy of Team China.

As others have mentioned LD still can take over the WR#1 by participating more & winning titles & LCW doesnt do well in 2010 , why means LCW losing the spot sometime after August 2010? Since LD didnt participate in quite a number of SS this year, in 2010 there's no reduction of his points as he's starting on a new slate. Is that right?

Another scenario would be the frenzy of participation starts after the start OG qualification, and if LD wins loads of titles from mid 2011 (barring any serious injuries, that kinda stuff). Then,LD would be back as WR#1 latest by end of 2011 ???
So, in most ppl's minds should still be LD, CJ or CHina young gun will be 2nd in the running.
Indonesia's Simon Santoso is still young but also has his injury problems, he may move up WR#3 or 4 but I dont forsee Simon able to gather the points needed to be WR#1.

[chris-ccc]

Is this thread about BWF ranking system and how it works or is this thread about LCW?



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This thread is to question if LCW can remain as the BWF World No.1 until the 2012 OG.
If not, then we are interested in who is going to topple him.

This thread is not about how BWF Ranking System works.
It's assumed that most BCers understand how it works. If not, perhaps this link could be enlightening: click here (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/world_ranking.html)
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[chris-ccc]

Hmmm, that should be sometime 3rd quarter of 2010 or early 2011. That's when the young guns like Chen Long et al really need to participate to move up the rankings. Now, still too early to tell but at the moment, looks like BCL may be losing a shot at his 3rd OG, with a young gun taking over his spot. He might even have to retire bf 2012 if his knees dont heal up well.

Chen Jin with his chronic back injury doesnt look like the one to "challenge" the spot, either by design or strategy of Team China.

As others have mentioned LD still can take over the WR#1 by participating more & winning titles & LCW doesnt do well in 2010 , why means LCW losing the spot sometime after August 2010? Since LD didnt participate in quite a number of SS this year, in 2010 there's no reduction of his points as he's starting on a new slate. Is that right?

Another scenario would be the frenzy of participation starts after the start OG qualification, and if LD wins loads of titles from mid 2011 (barring any serious injuries, that kinda stuff). Then,LD would be back as WR#1 latest by end of 2011 ???
So, in most ppl's minds should still be LD, CJ or CHina young gun will be 2nd in the running.

Indonesia's Simon Santoso is still young but also has his injury problems, he may move up WR#3 or 4 but I dont foresee Simon able to gather the points needed to be WR#1.



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Yes, much respect has to be given to the CHN team. We don't know what LYB is planning. They are what some termed them as "Sleeping Giants", because they are strong and powerful, but somehow taking it easy. Although participating in lesser tournaments recently, they are always serious at their training sessions and they are ready (on call) for action anytime.

Some BCers mentioned that because of their lack of tournament participation, that they could regress. But I don't think so. This is because there are many higher standard professional players inside China. With their higher standard of players and programs, CHN could, without problems, grab the top ranking positions within a few tournaments.

But this should not discourage the other nations. Other nations have their own programs as well.

However, it still comes back to the 4 stronger nations, namely, DEN, INA, MAS and KOR to prepare to do battle with CHN.

You'll never know. Suddenly another talented PG, TH and LCW could arrive at the scene, within a year or two.

:):):)
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[limsy]

1st,bwf rules say that world number one SHOULD have major title?:confused:
NO
2nd,are lcw is the world number one in bwf ranking system?:confused:
YES
3rd,does this thread asking/questioning about lcw world ranking position?:confused:
YES
4th,so does it relate to bwf world ranking system?:confused:
YES
5th.can we discuss bwf world ranking system in this thread?:confused:
YES

[Oldhand]

1st,bwf rules say that world number one SHOULD have major title?:confused:
NO
2nd,are lcw is the world number one in bwf ranking system?:confused:
YES
3rd,does this thread asking/questioning about lcw world ranking position?:confused:
YES
4th,so does it relate to bwf world ranking system?:confused:
YES
5th.can we discuss bwf world ranking system in this thread?:confused:
YES
Your reasoning in 4 and 5 don't work.

If it did, anything related to Chong Wei's rank would be within the ambit of this thread's title. For instance: the people who devised the ranking system.

This thread poses a direct question:
Will Chong Wei retain his current rank until London 2012?

If you must dissect the (BWF Ranking) System, please do so elsewhere :)

[limsy]

Your reasoning in 4 and 5 don't work.

If it did, anything related to Chong Wei's rank would be within the ambit of this thread's title. For instance: the people who devised the ranking system.

This thread poses a direct question:
Will Chong Wei retain his current rank until London 2012?

If you must dissect the (BWF Ranking) System, please do so elsewhere :)

erm,u mean:lcw world number 1 ranking have nothing to do with bwf world ranking system?:confused:

[Oldhand]

Hmmm, that should be sometime 3rd quarter of 2010 or early 2011. That's when the young guns like Chen Long et al really need to participate to move up the rankings. Now, still too early to tell but at the moment, looks like BCL may be losing a shot at his 3rd OG, with a young gun taking over his spot. He might even have to retire bf 2012 if his knees dont heal up well.

Chen Jin with his chronic back injury doesnt look like the one to "challenge" the spot, either by design or strategy of Team China.

As others have mentioned LD still can take over the WR#1 by participating more & winning titles & LCW doesnt do well in 2010 , why means LCW losing the spot sometime after August 2010? Since LD didnt participate in quite a number of SS this year, in 2010 there's no reduction of his points as he's starting on a new slate. Is that right?

Another scenario would be the frenzy of participation starts after the start OG qualification, and if LD wins loads of titles from mid 2011 (barring any serious injuries, that kinda stuff). Then,LD would be back as WR#1 latest by end of 2011 ???
So, in most ppl's minds should still be LD, CJ or CHina young gun will be 2nd in the running.
Indonesia's Simon Santoso is still young but also has his injury problems, he may move up WR#3 or 4 but I dont forsee Simon able to gather the points needed to be WR#1.

It's quite unlikely that China will bank its Olympic fortunes on Chen Long or any other second-rung player now on the international circuit.

Chen Long is hardly a great player. Nothing in his (current) game shows great promise. His smashes, blocks, footwork, retrieving and net-play are only a few shades above ordinary - and his drops, especially from the backhand corner, are terrible.

I would imagine that China has another set of players waiting in the wings. With the Olympics well over three years away, it makes no sense to be prematurely pushing them into the competitive arena. As we speak, the CBA sports factory is probably at work moulding, equipping and polishing these players for the rigours ahead.

Of course, if Lin Dan can sustain his Beijing game until London, he will lead the China brigade. If not, China will ruthlessly push him aside. By then, they will have plenty of alternatives and will also have too much at stake to rely on anyone but the best. After all, despite the MS, WS and WD golds, the Beijing result was not the one China wanted.

It follows that, in this drive to London, world rankings are at best a desirable statistic. It beats me how China's prospects in 2012 (or, for that matter, in any prestigious event) would be either brightened or clouded by having or not having a World No.1 in its ranks.

His rank didn't help Lee Chong Wei at Beijing.
It's unlikely to help him at London either ;)

[eaglehelang]

Your reasoning in 4 and 5 don't work.

If it did, anything related to Chong Wei's rank would be within the ambit of this thread's title. For instance: the people who devised the ranking system.

This thread poses a direct question:
Will Chong Wei retain his current rank until London 2012?

If you must dissect the (BWF Ranking) System, please do so elsewhere :)

Well......our thread starter did discuss some on how the BWF ranking system works,and hazarded a little humor, which was misunderstood.

Discussion on the calculation of WR points for sure will happen as our chris@ccc also posed the question on who can challenge LCW's WR#1 ranking. Perhaps should ask again the thread starter as to what else he wants to discuss pertaining to this.;);)

[Oldhand]

erm,u mean:lcw world number 1 ranking have nothing to do with bwf world ranking system?:confused:
You didn't get it :o

[eaglehelang]

...................(and paragraphs above)

It follows that, in this drive to London, world rankings are at best a desirable statistic. It beats me how China's prospects in 2012 (or, for that matter, in any prestigious event) would be either brightened or clouded by having or not having a World No.1 in its ranks.

His rank didn't help Lee Chong Wei at Beijing.
It's unlikely to help him at London either ;)

That is not the main points of what our chris@ccc wanted to discuss, as you know very well. That's why I'm trying to keep from that sector of discussion & focus on the "gathering WR points" business. :D
If you've read my earlier post, you'll know I was also wondering why he wanted to discuss this since to me it wouldnt matter much - as long as WR#1 or WR#2 is fine for LCW.

[ctjcad]

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My answer to the thread question is Yes. the most significant reason is, if he keep improving. If he does, he could win major titles, as a complement of his WR1 title
..if 'yes' is the answer, how about taking into consideration:
1. Other improving players. Aren't there other shuttlers competing with LCW?
2. Possible injury/injuries or other unforeseen factors? If Dato LCW keeps playing til the 2012 OG, will he go injury-free?

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It is not that LCW remaining as WR#1 is important to me.

Our Badminton players and I had a discussions at makan after one of our club sessions. Many of our players are Malaysians. We started talking about whether LCW can remain as World No.1 until the next Olympic Games.

So I created this thread to check what our worldwide BCers think.

:):):)
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..then you should invite your other badminton players friends to chime in (or register as members of this forum, if they haven't), in this thread also?..We'd like to read what they think about Dato LCW's chances..Worst comes to worst, if they think very optimistically, we have Pemuda to entertain them..:cool:

[Pemuda]

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This thread is not about how BWF Ranking System works.
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Glad to note that this thread is now back on track about whether LCW can still be WR1 until the 2012 OG and not about the BWF ranking system or how it works.

Hopefully, there will be no more flip flopping between LCW & how the ranking system works.


Of course we are talking about the BWF Ranking System here

:o

[chris-ccc]

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The match between Chen Long (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=9) and Bao Chunlai (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=6) for the Mens Singles title at the 2009 Badminton Asia Championships) has been completed.

Quite a close result:
Bao Chunlai [4] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=6)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN) defeated http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&c=CHN)Chen Long (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=A6BA1BC8-35AC-4B31-9D82-C5D4A8B13770&player=9) 16-21, 21-10, 21-16 in 55 mins.

Although Chen Long did not win, he continues to gain more ranking points to improve his World Ranking position. From earlier posts, some have said that CL could be the one to topple LCW's World No.1 position. We are now seeing CL making his way closer and closer to LCW.

CL might be able defeat BCL by the end of this year, but IMHO, he is still way below the standards of LCW and LD. Don't think CL could be World No.1 when the 2012 Olympic Games arrives.

But let's wish CL all the best as he is improving in his rankings slowly, but surely.

:):):)
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[koo_fan]

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But let's wish CL all the best as he is improving in his rankings slowly, but surely.


I got mix feelings for that. excited to see he develop and, hope Chong wei will cope with pressures from the youngsters that will catch him up.Chaiyo! Chong Wei

[Oldhand]

Although Chen Long did not win, he continues to gain more ranking points to improve his World Ranking position. From earlier posts, some have said that CL could be the one to topple LCW's World No.1 position. We are now seeing CL making his way closer and closer to LCW.
[...]
Huh????? :eek:
Chen Long is getting closer to Lee Chong Wei?????

If Chen Long (at No.100) is getting closer to Chong Wei, surely Przemyslaw Wacha (at No.10) must be rubbing noses with Chong Wei :o

Heard of Dionysius Hayom Rumbaka, Dmytro Zavadsky or Sven Eric Kastens?
Going by this logic, these players are closer to Chong Wei than Chen Long.

In ranking terms, Chen Long is as close to Lee Chong Wei as the Eiffel Tower is to the Great Wall of China. Even the retired Chen Hong and Chen Yu are way ahead of Chen Long!

[racketmania]

Hey relax guys....
The world rank is not the topic here....
The topic is will chong wei remain No 1 till OG 2012...
That's a long way to go....
Anything could happen....
Injuries, food poisoning hehehe and many more.....
By that time also LCW is about 30++ years old.....

So, do the math yourself....

[eaglehelang]

You didn't get it :o
Haha, you didnt get it Oldhand.
"4th,so does it relate to bwf world ranking system?:confused:
YES
5th.can we discuss bwf world ranking system in this thread?:confused:
YES"

I think what limsy meant with no 4 & 5 was the BWF ranking points system & its relation to computation of WR points which results to LCW's (and his "challengers") current & future rankings. (Other players WR is also something that the thread starter wants to consider)

In order to speculate whether LCW can maintain his WR#1 status until 2012, as you know, we do have to calculate the WR points ;). If the BWF WR system is not related, then how to calculate who will be WR#1, WR#10,WR#100? So, for sure we have to mention the BWF ranking points & thereabouts. It's not about dissecting the system, Sir.

Cos the thread starter was explaining a bit on how the system works as some members were "blur" but unfortunately some other members got more confused.:p

[chris-ccc]

In ranking terms, Chen Long is as close to Lee Chong Wei as the Eiffel Tower is to the Great Wall of China. Even the retired Chen Hong and Chen Yu are way ahead of Chen Long!



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Talking about Chen Long, Chen Hong and Chen Yu; From the ranking points earned from this 2009 Badminton Asia Championships), Chen Long has just overtaken Chen Hong and Chen Yu.
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[chris-ccc]

Haha, you didnt get it Oldhand.
"4th,so does it relate to bwf world ranking system?:confused:
YES
5th.can we discuss bwf world ranking system in this thread?:confused:
YES"

I think what limsy meant was the BWF ranking points system & its relation to computation of WR points which results to LCW's (and his "challengers") current & future rankings. (something that the thread starter wants to consider)

In order to speculate whether LCW can maintain his WR#1 status until 2012, as you know, we do have to calculate the WR points ;). If the BWF WR system is not related, then how to calculate who will be WR#1, WR#10,WR#100? So, for sure we have to mention the BWF ranking points & thereabouts. It's not about dissecting the system, Sir.

Cos the thread starter was explaining a bit on how the system works as some members were "blur" but unfortunately some other members got more confused.:p



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Thanks eaglehelang ,

Glad that you remind us what was intended to be discussed in this thread.

From the starting post of this thread:



Lee Chong Wei to remain as World No.1 until the 2012 Olympic Games

Greetings,

From we what have witnessed recently, China is no longer interested to have Lin Dan to regain his World No.1 position.

As disappointed as most of us BCers are (wanting to watch matches between Lee Chong Wei and Lin Dan), we might only get to watch them play each other in fewer occasions from now on.

IMHO, Lee Chong Wei could remain as World No.1 until he retires after the 2012 Olympic Games.

This thread is created to monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei.

Cheers... chris-ccc
:):):)



Therefore, we wish to discuss:

(1) Can Lee Chong Wei remain as World No.1 until the 2012 Olympic Games?
Here, 'World No.1' is meant to be 'BWF No.1 ranked player'

(2) To monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei
Here, 'players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei' is meant to be 'players' BWF rankings which can overtake the No.1 ranking of Lee Chong Wei'

This is the reason why I posted Post #129:



...... could our moderators change the title of this thread to "Will Lee Chong Wei remain as BWF World No.1 until 2012 OG?". This will prevent debates if we have our own concepts of who should be World No.1.



Hope that the intention of this thread is clearer now.

:):):)
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[Pemuda]

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We are now seeing CL making his way closer and closer to LCW.


Beside the pocket dictionary, you may need to invest in a calculator as well.
CL making his way closer and closer to LCW??? :o
Ok, what is CL's ranking now?
Take that and minus LCW's current ranking?
Now if that is considered as getting closer and closer to LCW, you may as well say David Snider at #92 is also inching closer and closer to LCW at #1.

Anyway, I wont be surprise to see certain members who are 'thick' and will jump onto the bandwagon agreeing with your theory that CL is indeed getting closer and closer to LCW.

[Loh]

My understanding of the question: "Will LCW remain World No.1 until the 2012 London OG?" must necessarily involve BWF's World Ranking points system which currently accorded LCW as WR1.

So we need to know how BWF calculates WR points for participation and at each stage of advancement to the final for all BWF sanctioned events, which I understand, carry different weightage according to their prize money, eg SS versus GP Gold versus GP versus International Challenge, etc.

So if a player manages to participate in more events, especially those that carry higher ranking points, and advance closer to the final, he will have more opportunities to score more WR points.

Since LCW is now WR1, it means he has scored the most number of official WR points thus far. Probably Lin Dan is WR2 (I haven't checked the latest WR positions) and although he has beaten LCW more times in SS and other recognized events, LD is not WR1 because he has not participated in more events as LCW had done.

But how many points is LD behind LCW now and what must he do to overtake LCW? Does LD have to wait till 2012 to do this or he could do it this year or next or year after next?

What about the current WR3 to WR10 for example, especially players like CJ, BCL,TH and PG, can they overtake both LD and LCW? How many WR points are they behind? Maybe they can do it if they participate in more events and win many of them. Do we have any such calibre player in sight to do this? Or will their respective country associations allow them to go?

If not, what can stop both LD and LCW from participating in BWF sanctioned events?

Now we have cases of highly World Ranked players who were simply immobilised for many months through injury such as Achillies tendon, from which PG, WCW and even Ronald Susilo suffered. Even food poisoning can prevent a player from making a quick return and winning his next event.

So I'm not sure LCW can remain WR1 until the next London Olympics. It is just too far away. It will be more realistic to guage their position year by year.

Maybe someone can make a detailed comparison or simulation, say in the form of a chart, of the top ten WR players and show their difference in points and how they can overtake the leaders by either doing well, say reaching the QF, SF, F and winning events.

[chris-ccc]

Maybe someone can make a detailed comparison or simulation, say in the form of a chart, of the top ten WR players and show their difference in points and how they can overtake the leaders by either doing well, say reaching the QF, SF, F and winning events.



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Loh ... Talking about ranking points and participation rates, your position in our BC PAW (World :p:p:p) Ranking has gone down quite a bit since you last won the 2007 Macau Open tournament. You will need to return to participate more often, before your ranking position slides down even further. :):):)

Talking about 'a detailed comparison or simulation in the form of a chart of the top WR players and show their difference in points and how they can overtake the leaders', perhaps our Sandy and some of our PAWers are capable of doing it. Let's try it out for our BC PAW Games first. After it works, we can apply it for the BWF Ranking usage.

:):):)
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[sekut]

mmm i think LCW can retain the title if he participate in many tournaments and make at least the QF in all the tournaments

[eaglehelang]

Chris@ccc, just to clarify,1) if the player participated last yr and reached finals & did not participate in the same tourney this year, does he lose the exact points he gained last yr ? Assuming the tourney is his best 10.
2) How do they distribute the points for team events??




Since LCW is now WR1, it means he has scored the most number of official WR points thus far. Probably Lin Dan is WR2 (I haven't checked the latest WR positions) ...........

But how many points is LD behind LCW now and what must he do to overtake LCW? Does LD have to wait till 2012 to do this or he could do it this year or next or year after next?

What about the current WR3 to WR10 for example, especially players like CJ, BCL,TH and PG, can they overtake both LD and LCW? How many WR points are they behind? Maybe they can do it if they participate in more events and win many of them. Do we have any such calibre player in sight to do this? Or will their respective country associations allow them to go?



Yes Uncle Loh, LD is WR#2 for now :
http://internationalbadminton.org/ranking.asp
1) LCW = 84179
2) LD = 66940
3) CJ = 65804 (back injury)
4) PG = 64683 (maybe will retire in 2010)
5) Sony K= 60927 (back injury)
6) Taufik = 58943 (unpredictable ?)

In the earlier pages, someone already mentioned that it looks unlikely LCW will be toppled in 2009 as LD will have to win almost all the titles for remainder of the year.
For 2010,maybe LD will take back the WR#1, if he participates more & Team CHina's strategy remains the same. Since he doesnt look like partitipcating much this year, he will gain full points in 2010. LCW needs to consistently Semi finals.
For 2011, since it's OG qualifcation points will start, I think LCW will lose the spot. At this present moment, the likely candidate to overtake is of course LD.
;)

[Loh]

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Loh ... Talking about ranking points and participation rates, your position in our BC PAW (World :p:p:p) Ranking has gone down quite a bit since you last won the 2007 Macau Open tournament. You will need to return to participate more often, before your ranking position slides down even further. :):):)

Talking about 'a detailed comparison or simulation in the form of a chart of the top WR players and show their difference in points and how they can overtake the leaders', perhaps our Sandy and some of our PAWers are capable of doing it. Let's try it out for our BC PAW Games first. After it works, we can apply it for the BWF Ranking usage.

:):):)
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Unlike LCW, I have given up trying for the top spots! :D There are far too many capable, young and experienced players in the PAW game. :D Maybe you can do much better. Good Luck! ;)

However PAW rankings and how it is devised and computed is different from BWF world rankings, I believe. So we can't really marry the two, can we? :p

As our Lady Eagle has pointed out, LCW's WR1 may not continue till 2012, if LD especially should intensify his attempts, particularly during the Olympic year.

And as I have said, injury and non-appearance as a result of not being sent by the respective associations or sponsors or simply due to retirement, will certainly affect one's world ranking adversely. The longer it takes to make a comeback, the worse will be one's ranking. :(

Probably a more realistic question would be:

"Will LCW remain World No.1 until 2010?"

in view of so many uncertainties.

But LCW has a good reason to maintain a very high world ranking as his financial incentives are partly tied to this. :rolleyes:

[chris-ccc]

chris@ccc, just to clarify, if the player participated last yr and reached finals & did not participate in the same tourney this year, does he lose the exact points he gained last year? Assuming the tourney is his best 10.



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eaglehelang,

For each tournament, our BC PAW Ranking Points are derived using the BWF World Ranking Points. Our BC PAW Ranking System closely mirrors the BWF World Ranking System. Therefore for our To-date BC PAW World Ranking, we drop or gain points according to the BWF rules.

In this thread (click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64511)), robin7 asked Sandy the same question. You will find the discussions in the first 10 posts.

That's why in replying to Loh 's post (Post #156), about a detailed comparison or simulation in the form of a chart of the top WR players and show their difference in points and how they can overtake the leaders, I suggested that perhaps our Sandy and some of our PAWers are capable of doing it. We can try it out for our BC PAW Games first. After it works, we can then apply it for the BWF World Ranking usage.

:):):)
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[chris-ccc]

Unlike LCW, I have given up trying for the top spots! :D There are far too many capable, young and experienced players in the PAW game. :D Maybe you can do much better. Good Luck! ;)

However PAW rankings and how it is devised and computed is different from BWF world rankings, I believe. So we can't really marry the two, can we? :p



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Referring to Sandy 's thread again. Our BC PAW Ranking Points are exactly the same as the BWF Ranking Points. And our PAW Rankings and how it is derived and computed is exactly the same as the BWF World Rankings.

Source: click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64511)
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[robin7]

As of 9 April 2009, LCW's world ranking points is 84179.

Top 10 performance in 52 weeks
3/15/2009 WILSON Swiss Open Super Series 2009 S.Series 9200 Winner
3/8/2009 YONEX All England Super Series 2009 S.Series 7800 Runner-Up
1/18/2009 Korea Super Series 2009 S.Series 7800 Runner-Up
1/11/2009 Malaysia Super Series 2009 S.Series 9200 Winner
11/23/2008 LI NING China Open Super Series 2008 S.Series 7800 Runner-Up
11/2/2008 French Super Series 2008 S.Series 6420 Semi-Finalist
9/21/2008 YONEX Open Japan Super Series 2008 S.Series 7800 Runner-Up
8/17/2008 Olympic Games 2008 BWF Events 10200 Runner-Up
6/15/2008 Singapore Super Series 2008 S.Series 9200 Winner
5/18/2008 Thomas & Uber Cup Finals 2008 BWF Events 8759

In order to stay on top, LCW basically needs about 80000 ranking points by winning some titles plus some finals and semi-finals appearances on the best 10 tournaments he enters.

Scenario A: 8 SS finals + WC finals + TC/SC semi-finals
Super Series: 8 X 7800 = 62400
BWF events (WC): 10200
BWF events (TC/SC): 8400
Total WR pts: 81000

Scenario B: 2 SS titles + 4 SS finals + 2 SS semi-finals + WC finals + TC/SC semi-finals
Super Series: (2 X 9200) + (4 X 7800) + (2 X 6420) = 62440
BWF events (WC): 10200
BWF events (TC/SC): 8400
Total WR pts: 81040

Scenario C: 2 SS titles + 3 SS finals + 1 SS semi-finals + 2 GP Gold titles + WC finals + TC/SC semi-finals
Super Series: (2 X 9200) + (3 X 7800) + (1 X 6420) = 48220
GP Gold: 2 X 7000 = 14000
BWF events (WC): 10200
BWF events (TC/SC): 8400
Total WR pts: 80820

Note:
1. 2 SS finals (7800) are as good as 1 SS titles (9200) plus 1 SS semi-finals (6420). 15600 vs 15620
2. 2 GP Gold titles (7000) are as good as 1 SS finals (7800) plus 1 SS semi-finals (6420). 14000 vs 14220

I think LCW can mantain the top spot in 2009/2010 but it would be tougher in 2011/2012.

External factors:
1. Current top 10 players
I predict that LD's performance will drop more drastically than LCW in the next few years. Despite his younger age, LD seems older physically and fitness wise. Since LD has won almost all the majors (except AG), the only motivation that keeps him going is probably the AG. Yes, we are talking about world number one.
PG & TH will no longer be a threat to LCW in the next few years.
BCL, CJ & SDK are more injury-proned than LCW.
2. Future top 10 players
Youngsters such as HJH, KT, JOJ & CL could break into top 10 and probably win some titles by 2012 but are still far away from dislodging LCW.

In conclusion, as long as LCW can keep himself healthy and competitive, he's likely to stay at the top till 2012.

[Loh]

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Referring to Sandy 's thread again. Our BC PAW Ranking Points are exactly the same as the BWF Ranking Points. And our PAW Rankings and how it is derived and computed is exactly the same as the BWF World Rankings.

Source: click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64511)
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Oh, so PAW Ranking Points is based entirely on BWF Ranking Points. If that's the case shan't we refer just to the official one instead of confusing ourselves? :D

[robin7]

mmm i think LCW can retain the title if he participate in many tournaments and make at least the QF in all the tournaments
Only best 10 tournaments will be considered. QF is not good enough. Refer to post #163 for further details.

[OneToughBirdie]

But LCW has a good reason to maintain a very high world ranking as his financial incentives are partly tied to this. :rolleyes:

Ain't that the fact...playing pro baddy is a job and a business as I said so often....there is no one to take care of the player's retirement and DLCW is the lucky one, with fame, million $$$, Datoship, Miss Wong:D, lifetime pension, endorsement, etc but for one Dato, there are many players that need a second job after playing career is over...therefore maintain WR1 as long as possible (RM180/yr) and win as many titles as possible, the end of the career is nearing but do remember to send a thank-you card to LD for being absent...come to think of it, could be a conspiracy, this LD chap must be getting a commision or kick-back for not playing so Dato can rack up WR points:rolleyes::p:D

[Loh]

I just hope there will be a challenge for the WR1 spot before long, otherwise it will be a dull MS world scenario if LCW continues to dominate, just as it is uninteresting to watch the China Wall being so difficult to penetrate by other badminton powerhouses. :(

In the end LCW may lose his motivation to do better just as LD is currently giving the impression that he is not interested in participating in so many SS events. And both may suffer the consequences when London Olympics beckons. :eek:

[Loh]

Ain't that the fact...playing pro baddy is a job and a business as I said so often....there is no one to take care of the player's retirement and DLCW is the lucky one, with fame, million $$$, Datoship, Miss Wong:D, lifetime pension, endorsement, etc but for one Dato, there are many players that need a second job after playing career is over...therefore maintain WR1 as long as possible (RM180/yr) and win as many titles as possible, the end of the career is nearing but do remember to send a thank-you card to LD for being absent...come to think of it, could be a conspiracy, this LD chap must be getting a commision or kick-back for not playing so Dato can rack up WR points:rolleyes::p:D


Ain't they good friends? :p

But LD has on record earned more than LCW so there is no need for him to conspire. Maybe they can do a show together to share the takings equally? :D

[OneToughBirdie]

I am really convinced there is a setup like this...LD and DLCW ROFLOL discussing BCers arguing over them in the BC forum...LD telling DLCW, hey we are buddies but those BCers thought we are enemies, those dumb BCers...look I play less SS so you better win as much as possible and rack up WR#1 points, get your dough quick, GF, $$$, etc...me not playing would help you go to finals or win but I can't control my comrades, those young pubs don't listen to me, they are hungry and out to kissing and proving to LYB so better watch out for them but don't take too long to win your first SS away from MAS...one thing you promise me to leave the major titles for me so I can be legend above legends....and we retire happily and weathly;):p:D

[koo_fan]

it will be a dull MS world scenario if LCW continues to dominate

This is very subjective, Uncle Loh.
I'd love to see him on the top, more than just being a current WR1. But a WR1 that would be remembered.

[OneToughBirdie]

Ain't they good friends? :p

But LD has on record earned more than LCW so there is no need for him to conspire. Maybe they can do a show together to share the takings equally? :D

Yeah....but show respect and appreciation....like in the old days, the king of other provinces has to bestow gifts, $$$, etc to the emperor (who is rich already) but respect lah:p:D

[chris-ccc]

Oh, so PAW Ranking Points is based entirely on BWF Ranking Points. If that's the case shan't we refer just to the official one instead of confusing ourselves? :D



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:D:D:D Perhaps our robin7 is the best BCer to advise LCW what tournaments to play/not to play. Post #163 (from robin7) is an excellent analysis.

:):):)
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[Loh]

This is very subjective, Uncle Loh.
I'd love to see him on the top, more than just being a current WR1. But a WR1 that would be remembered.

Of course it is, just like CHN wanting to capture all the badminton titles at the next Olympics! :D

[eaglehelang]

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eaglehelang,

..............After it works, we can then apply it for the BWF World Ranking usage.

:):):)
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Hiyaaa, I asking whether will be deducted or not lah and how they divide the Team events points, not whether same or not with PAW points :p. To compare2 with PAW points, still too complicating, can <fainted>. PAW points I think doesnt include Team Events like Sudirman, TC, Uber.

:D:D

[eaglehelang]

Oh, so PAW Ranking Points is based entirely on BWF Ranking Points. If that's the case shan't we refer just to the official one instead of confusing ourselves? :D

Correct, correct, this chris, hiyaa ;);)

[hhs1000]

Let me add some scientific spin into this discussion.

I believe most of you agree that LCW is at his peak now (100%). In badminton, below are the important attributes to be a successful player,
- Skill
- Speed
- Stamina
- Power
At this moment LCW has 100% for all the attribute. Where do you think LCW will be 3 years down the road. My take, with generous assumption as he is a Dato from Bolehland,
- Skill, still 100%
- Speed, 90% (for others I will give 80%)
- Stamina, 90% (for others, 70%)
- Power, 90% (for others, 70%).

Aggregate LCW's score in 2012 = 100%x90%x90%x90% = 72.9%. He will be about 73% of what he is today.

What is the chance for a 73% DLCW to still stay at the top ?. My take is 30%.

[chris-ccc]

Hiyaaa, I asking whether will be deducted or not lah and how they divide the Team events points, not whether same or not with PAW points :p. To compare2 with PAW points, still too complicating, can <fainted>. PAW points I think doesnt include Team Events like Sudirman, TC, Uber.

:D:D



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Asking whether will be deducted or not, not whether same or not with PAW points

eaglehelang ,

You did not read the link that I sent you (see Post #160).
In that link, which is one of Sandy 's threads, robin7 asked the same question as you did.

OK, let's copy and paste the Q&A from Sandy 's thread, namely;
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64511

Post #7



Sandy, can u enlighten us what each column indicates?

Best10 - Literally the best 10 tournaments
Added - The latest tournament competed but not necessarily added?
10th - The lowest among the best 10 tournaments?
11th - The 11th best tournament?
Next Off - I really have no idea??!!



Post #8



Why not necessarily added ? I think it's important to see the last tournament's pts addition

Next Off, Points to be dropped for next PAW's Ranking released, in this case points of Malaysia Open SS 2008.

11th pts is the points would be filled in best-10 when next added pts < Next Off Pts.



Post #9



Suppose I take kevinboy for example,
Best 10: 40989 (Before Malaysia Open 2009)

Scenario (1)
Next off: 7800 (Malaysia Open 2008)
11th: 1050
Malaysia Open 2008: 810

Best10 = 40989 - 7800 + 1050
Latest: 810 (X)
Added: 1050 (Y)
Note: 7800 will be deducted, 1050 will be added since it is higher than 810.

Scenario (2)
Next off: 7800 (Malaysia Open 2008)
11th: 1050
Malaysia Open 2008: 5040

Best10 = 40989 - 7800 + 5040
Latest: 5040 (X)
Added: 5040 (Y)
Note: 7800 will be deducted, 5040 will be added since it is higher than 1050.

Scenario (3)
Next off: 7800 (Malaysia Open 2008)
11th: 1050
Malaysia Open 2008: 9200

Best10 = 40989 - 7800 + 9200
Latest: 9200 (X)
Added: 9200 (Y)
Note: 7800 will be deducted, 9200 will be added since it is higher than 1050.

Please tell me, your "Added" column refers to Added (X) or Latest (Y)?

From your previous reply, I guess it is Added (X).



Post #10



No, "Added" points refers to latest results (Y)

I just want to sat "11th" pts will replace "Next Off" pts to be counted in "Best-10" pts if the "Added" pts less than "11th" pts (sorry not "Next off" pts), in case "Next Off" pts bigger than "11th" pts.



In other words,
(1) ranking points are added from tournaments played in the last 52 weeks
(2) if more than 10 tournaments are played in the last 52 weeks, then the best 10 ranking points shall be added. The 11th lowest value shall be dropped.

:):):)
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[chris-ccc]

Let me add some scientific spin into this discussion.

I believe most of you agree that LCW is at his peak now (100%). In badminton, below are the important attributes to be a successful player,
- Skill
- Speed
- Stamina
- Power

At this moment LCW has 100% for all the attribute. Where do you think LCW will be 3 years down the road. My take, with generous assumption as he is a Dato from Bolehland,
- Skill, still 100%
- Speed, 90% (for others I will give 80%)
- Stamina, 90% (for others, 70%)
- Power, 90% (for others, 70%).

Aggregate LCW's score in 2012 = 100%x90%x90%x90% = 72.9%. He will be about 73% of what he is today.

What is the chance for a 73% DLCW to still stay at the top ?. My take is 30%.



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hhs1000 ... Your spin is based on:
- Skill, remaining at 100%
- Speed, dropping to 90%
- Stamina, dropping to 90%
- Power, dropping to 90%

What if we have the following:
- Skill, increased by 30%
- Speed, dropped by 10%
- Stamina, dropped by 10%
- Power, dropped by 10%

The aggregate LCW's score in 2012 would roughly be remaining at 100% of what he is today.

:):):)
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[limsy]

Beside the pocket dictionary, you may need to invest in a calculator as well.
CL making his way closer and closer to LCW??? :o
Ok, what is CL's ranking now?
Take that and minus LCW's current ranking?
Now if that is considered as getting closer and closer to LCW, you may as well say David Snider at #92 is also inching closer and closer to LCW at #1.

Anyway, I wont be surprise to see certain members who are 'thick' and will jump onto the bandwagon agreeing with your theory that CL is indeed getting closer and closer to LCW.

closer?
looks like the advanced english education prof.p have some problem of understanding the word 'closer'
IF cl is wr 120 last week,and he is wr 100 this week
are he closer to lcw in term of wr compare to last week?:rolleyes:
i think the student that know how to minus 120 and 100;) know the answer:rolleyes:

[Loh]

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hhs1000 ... Your spin is based on:
- Skill, remaining at 100%
- Speed, dropping to 90%
- Stamina, dropping to 90%
- Power, dropping to 90%

What if we have the following:
- Skill, increased by 30%
- Speed, dropped by 10%
- Stamina, dropped by 10%
- Power, dropped by 10%

The aggregate LCW's score in 2012 would roughly be remaining at 100% of what he is today.

:):):)
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It baffles me how we can equate these qualities in terms of percentages. :D

Circumstances will change and affect one's performance, especially over such a lengthy period of time from now till 2012. An intangible quality called "FORM" can often derail all assumptions and predictions.

A less skilled but highly motivated player can create upsets as so often witnessed in the international badminton circuit. Not to mention the unpredictables like injury during a rally. :eek:

[chris-ccc]

closer?
looks like the advanced english education prof.p have some problem of understanding the word 'closer'

IF cl was wr 120 last week, and he is wr 100 this week
is he closer to lcw in terms of wr compared to last week?:rolleyes:

i think the student that know how to minus 120 and 100;) know the answer:rolleyes:



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limsy, Your thoughts are logical and clear. :):):)

Yes, some think that 'closer' means 'next to'. Actually it means what you have posted, 'closer' means 'the difference between CL's and LCW's ranking positions is now smaller compared to last week'.
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[chris-ccc]

It baffles me how we can equate these qualities in terms of percentages. :D



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:D:D:D It's only for challenging/questioning the percentages that hhs1000 has put forward.

It's not meant to be the only factors that will help/not help LCW.
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[chris-ccc]

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:D:D:D I am getting lots of mails telling me that Lee Chong Wei is not the World No.1 player. And they go on to say that LCW has not won major titles.

Perhaps many did not read the whole of this thread. The World No.1 title is given to Lee Chong Wei by BWF. It is based on ranking points won/earned by him. It is not based on the number of major titles won.

Perhaps it is better to change title of this thread. A more appropriate title could be:
"Will Lee Chong Wei remain as the BWF World No.1 until the 2012 OG?"



............
could our moderators change the title of this thread to "Will Lee Chong Wei remain as BWF World No.1 until the 2012 OG?". This will prevent debates if we have our own concepts of who should be World No.1.



chris-ccc
:):):)
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[Pemuda]

closer?
looks like the advanced english education prof.p have some problem of understanding the word 'closer'
IF cl is wr 120 last week,and he is wr 100 this week
are he closer to lcw in term of wr compare to last week?:rolleyes:
i think the student that know how to minus 120 and 100;) know the answer:rolleyes:

Oh dear limsy, your above posting confirms that we got serious issues with our education system. And I dont blame you because our system stifled students like yourself from thinking.

If your rationale is that Chen Long is now closer to LCW, then you may as well say that Blackburn Rovers is now closer to United in the PL standings. :rolleyes: And with Malaysia's new Fifa rankings, we can also conclude that we are now also 'closer' to the #1, Spain. And we should celebrate Malaysia Boleh style because we are now inching closer to Spain, the WR1. Malaysia Boleh!

[hcyong]

Oh dear limsy, your above posting confirms that we got serious issues with our education system. And I dont blame you because our system stifled students like yourself from thinking.

If your rationale is that Chen Long is now closer to LCW, then you may as well say that Blackburn Rovers is now closer to United in the PL standings. :rolleyes: And with Malaysia's new Fifa rankings, we can also conclude that we are now also 'closer' to the #1, Spain. And we should celebrate Malaysia Boleh style because we are now inching closer to Spain, the WR1. Malaysia Boleh!

Technically speaking, yes. If one day ago, I was 10 km away from point A, now I am 1 inch closer, then yes, in this one-day timeframe, I am closer to point A than before.

But am I close enough? Is the rate of progress good enough? That's another (or two) question.

[limsy]

Technically speaking, yes. If one day ago, I was 10 km away from point A, now I am 1 inch closer, then yes, in this one-day timeframe, I am closer to point A than before.

But am I close enough? Is the rate of progress good enough? That's another (or two) question.

no need to explain many times,his dictionary different from us;)

anyway,chris,my answer is most likely yes:p

[hcyong]

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So if a player manages to participate in more events, especially those that carry higher ranking points, and advance closer to the final, he will have more opportunities to score more WR points.

Since LCW is now WR1, it means he has scored the most number of official WR points thus far. Probably Lin Dan is WR2 (I haven't checked the latest WR positions) and although he has beaten LCW more times in SS and other recognized events, LD is not WR1 because he has not participated in more events as LCW had done.
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Loh, you are correct but you missed one important fact. Only the best 10 results are counted towards the ranking points. So, even if LCW took part in 50 tournaments in the past 52 weeks, only the 10 best are counted. Of course, if you take part in more tournaments, you are more likely to have higher points, because you will have more chances to bomb. Contrast that to a player to only took part in exactly 10 tournaments. If he bombed in two tournaments, those 2 are also included in his ranking points. But, in essence, LD only has to take part in 10 high-ranking tournaments per year and do consistently well in them to overtake LCW.

Let's say LD takes part in 13 tournaments in 2010 and he maintains his 2008/2009 form deep into 2010. In such a scenario, I will expect LCW to lose his top spot.

[Pemuda]

Technically speaking, yes. If one day ago, I was 10 km away from point A, now I am 1 inch closer, then yes, in this one-day timeframe, I am closer to point A than before.

But am I close enough? Is the rate of progress good enough? That's another (or two) question.

We should look at it realistically rather than technically because Chen Long at WR100 is no where 'closer' than LCW at WR1. If you consider Chen Long's current WR as 'inching closer' to LCW then we may as well say Umut Cetin at WR#672 is also getting closer to LCW. In the same vein, we may as well pop out the champagne to celebrate our University Malaya, ranked 230 in the world is getting closer to Harvard University at #1.

I believe we should look or analyse things from a realistic angle because Chen Long at WR#100 is still a long way off LCW's WR#1.

[limsy]

again,ours advanced english education prof.p have some problem of understanding 'closer'

we compare the SAME person to a position in different time.
example:cl is wr 120 last week and he is wr 100 this week.
so,he is closer to wr 1 compare to last week:rolleyes:
it is unbelieveable that the prof.p in bc cant understand about the word closer:eek::confused:

[Oldhand]

Much before Pemuda did, I too had expressed great surprise.
See this post (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1144549&postcount=149).

The word 'closer' doesn't ride on a simple "100 minus 1".
If it did, I'd say I'm closer to the moon each time I jump.

There's such a thing as a logical argument.
That's what this is about :o

[ctjcad]

..wait a minute...

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Yes, some think that 'closer' means 'next to'. Actually it means what you have posted, 'closer' means 'the difference between CL's and LCW's ranking positions is now smaller compared to last week'.
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Technically speaking, yes. If one day ago, I was 10 km away from point A, now I am 1 inch closer, then yes, in this one-day timeframe, I am closer to point A than before.

But am I close enough? Is the rate of progress good enough? That's another (or two) question.
..i think hcyong's comment is the most reasonable one.
Since this thread basically deals with World Ranking (now and the future, 2012) and not really judging by "the best player", technically (by world ranking), Chen Long's WR to LCW's WR is "closer", "next to", "smaller in difference to last week".
Realistically though, between LCW and CL, yes, they're still a long way off (ranking and level of play).

[koo_fan]

There's such a thing as a logical argument.

At least, at least ..We are all agree that Chen Long had his way uphill now.
I am concern that he is no ordinary junior as he had beat a WR1 when he was seeded #100++. C'mon,he's a news. We don't care if the japan's ba Ikeda Yuichi or any other unseeded players are getting closer. No one cares about their ranking.
But Chen Long's case would be different, somehow.

About having a logic argument, then it's not wise to have this argument.
But, hey..get use to it. * kkk's having the same pressure before, i hope Chen Long is capable to cope with that.

[chris-ccc]

Much before Pemuda did, I too had expressed great surprise.
See this post (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1144549&postcount=149).

The word 'closer' doesn't ride on a simple "100 minus 1".
If it did, I'd say I'm closer to the moon each time I jump.

There's such a thing as a logical argument.
That's what this is about :o



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Hehehe ... We are back to English lessons again. ;););)
The word 'closer' was chosen because it was for expressing comparative degree.

Let's look at these 2 statements:
(1) We are now seeing CL making his way close to LCW
(2) We are now seeing CL making his way closer to LCW

It would be crazy to use statement (1). All BCers know that CL's and LCW's rankings are so far apart. Most would agree that we cannot say that their rankings are 'close' to each other.

IMHO, it should be appropriate to use statement (2). Although CL's ranking is far away from LCW's, CL is making progress in the right direction. Therefore, we have this statement: "CL is making his way closer and closer to LCW".

BTW, the next World Rankings will be released tomorrow, Thursday 16-Apr-2007. And we shall see how much 'closer' CL's ranking will be from LCW's.
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[cooler]

In conclusion, as long as LCW can keep himself healthy and competitive, he's likely to stay at the top till 2012.

however, i don't see u PAW what u say.

[Pemuda]

At least, at least ..We are all agree that Chen Long had his way uphill now.
I am concern that he is no ordinary junior as he had beat a WR1 when he was seeded #100++. C'mon,he's a news. We don't care if the japan's ba Ikeda Yuichi or any other unseeded players are getting closer. No one cares about their ranking.
But Chen Long's case would be different, somehow.

About having a logic argument, then it's not wise to have this argument.
But, hey..get use to it. * kkk's having the same pressure before, i hope Chen Long is capable to cope with that.

Actually, what are you trying to say la?

[drifit]

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Hehehe ... We are back to English lessons again. ;););)
The word 'closer' was chosen because it was for expressing comparative degree.

Let's look at these 2 statements:
(1) We are now seeing CL making his way close to LCW
(2) We are now seeing CL making his way closer to LCW

It would be crazy to use statement (1). All BCers know that CL's and LCW's rankings are so far apart. Most would agree that we cannot say that their rankings are 'close' to each other.

IMHO, it should be appropriate to use statement (2). Although CL's ranking is far away from LCW's, CL is making progress in the right direction. Therefore, we have this statement: "CL is making his way closer and closer to LCW".

BTW, the next World Rankings will be released tomorrow, Thursday 16-Apr-2007. And we shall see how much 'closer' CL's ranking will be from LCW's.
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why we run into english lesson?
why we should start panic regarding CL? he is still many tens of ranking behind LCW.
LCW starts to panic about CL now...?
or the LCW's fans start to panic? :o

[koo_fan]

Actually, what are you trying to say la?
Which part is that "what are you trying to say" eh?

Ignore the panic ler, as long as you know Chen Long is not yet a threat for Lee Chong Wei, be it. I, personally like Chen Long. (compare to other China Players)
He could do it better, And i shall wait.

[chris-ccc]

why we run into english lesson?



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:D:D:D Because there is one BCer here who is always criticizing another BCer's English.



why we should start panic regarding CL? he is still many tens of ranking behind LCW.
LCW starts to panic about CL now...?
or the LCW's fans start to panic? :o



There is no panic. Although CL is making progress, he is still far away from being World No.1. But we have to watch out for him (because some BCers thought he has great potential).

Just checked the BWF site. Today's BWF World Rankings List has not been updated yet.
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[robin7]

however, i don't see u PAW what u say.
Well, PAW-ing is about winning as many points as possible while taking calculated risks. That's the reason why you are yet to win any titles. :rolleyes:

[AlanY]

If it did, I'd say I'm closer to the moon each time I jump.
no, you won't. unless you only jump at night!;)

[drifit]

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:D:D:D Because there is one BCer here who is always criticizing another BCer's English.

There is no panic. Although CL is making progress, he is still far away from being World No.1. But we have to watch out for him (because some BCers thought he has great potential).

Just checked the BWF site. Today's BWF World Rankings List has not been updated yet.
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gee...... my english also low grade. as you know, i went to idontgoto university, just do not criticize me. :o also, please do not criticize each other, whether is english, play skill, nylons, attitude etc.... just let go and ignore.

yes, CL got potential and every other players too.
everyone is making progress or regress. just don't panic. :D:p

[eaglehelang]

why we run into english lesson?
why we should start panic regarding CL? he is still many tens of ranking behind LCW.
LCW starts to panic about CL now...?
or the LCW's fans start to panic? :o

If you see carefully, you'll notice it's the non LCW fans who so called "panic" with the semantics of the word "closer" that chris used ;);).

I think chris@ccc likes this Chen Long & forsees the young gun as future top player, though many argue the Chen Long arent as good as LD, CJ, BCL. But then again, which of the current batch of China MS youngsters are?

And...........chris will be happy to know Chen Long has moved up 40 placings to WR#60, ahead of the retired CHen Yu(WR#93) & Chen Hong (WR#97). WR#100 to WR#60, that's definitely more than an inch jump :p. But I'm sure chris already knew that from his calculations, hence his earlier excited post abt CHen Long.

Now CL need to catch up with Gong Weiji(WR#36) & Lu Yi (WR#32) 1st before moving up year by year to challenge the top guns.
http://internationalbadminton.org/ranking_ms.asp?Fname22=&Name22=&txtId22=&select2=CHN&Submit22=Submit&id=1

[chris-ccc]

If you see carefully, you'll notice it's the non LCW fans who so called "panic" with the semantics of the word "closer" that chris used ;);).

I think chris@ccc likes this Chen Long & forsees the young gun as future top player, though many argue the Chen Long arent as good as LD, CJ, BCL. But then again, which of the current batch of China MS youngsters are?

And...........chris will be happy to know Chen Long has moved up 40 placings to WR#60, ahead of the retired CHen Yu(WR#93) & Chen Hong (WR#97). WR#100 to WR#60, that's definitely more than an inch jump :p. But I'm sure chris already knew that from his calculations, hence his earlier excited post abt Chen Long.

Now CL need to catch up with Gong Weiji(WR#36) & Lu Yi (WR#32) 1st before moving up year by year to challenge the top guns.



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eagle ... I only said that I Chen Long could be a future top player. It's only a 'could'. At this moment, CL's level is far below the World Top 4. Our conversation about CL only started after he defeated LCW at the 2009 India Open. I did say that CL is one of the rising stars, but I suspect it would take a long time for him to get to the top rankings. In fact, I do not expect him to overtake LCW before the 2012 OG.

Thanks for informing us about CL's latest ranking. Yes, quite a big jump to WR#60 from #100. IMHO, players like LCW, LD, TH and PG shouldn't have much problem against CL in this year, 2009.

BTW, LD is now ranked at #3, below PG at #2 (PG should be happy :)) and LCW still at #1. It also great to see TH, currently at #5, moving 'very close' :p to CJ at #4.

Perhaps, PG could be the first to overtake LCW.
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[ye333]

Surprise surprise. But of course, if LD only attend 2 SS tournaments every 3 months, even if he won all of them, he would only get 9200 x 8 = 73600 pts.

Also it seems we will see more LD - LCW semifinal from now on... :D


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BTW, LD is now ranked at #3, below PG at #2 (PG should be happy :)) and LCW still at #1. It also great to see TH, currently at #5, moving 'very close' :p to CJ at #4.

Perhaps, PG could be the first to overtake LCW.
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[cooler]

Surprise surprise. But of course, if LD only attend 2 SS tournaments every 3 months, even if he won all of them, he would only get 9200 x 8 = 73600 pts.

Also it seems we will see more LD - LCW semifinal from now on... :Dthat mean we would see more PG vs TH too?

[chris-ccc]

Surprise surprise. But of course, if LD only attend 2 SS tournaments every 3 months, even if he won all of them, he would only get 9200 x 8 = 73600 pts.

Also it seems we will see more LD - LCW semifinal from now on... :D



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Yes, we'll have LD-vs-LCW at Semi-Finals, and TH-vs-PG at Quarter-Finals. :cool::cool::cool:
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[cooler]

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Yes, we'll have LD-vs-LCW at Semi-Finals, and TH-vs-PG at Quarter-Finals. :cool::cool::cool:
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yayyy, more LD vs TH finals:p hehehehe

[pjswift]

There's likelihood of LCW, LD and TH in one half and destroying one another to reach the final where PG awaits.I hope it happens.

[eaglehelang]

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BTW, LD is now ranked at #3, below PG at #2 (PG should be happy :)) and LCW still at #1. It also great to see TH, currently at #5, moving 'very close' :p to CJ at #4.

Perhaps, PG could be the first to overtake LCW.
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Oops, ya lah, LD lost points even though he didnt participate ABC last yr. PG, tending to his broken toe, moved up pulak :p:p. Haha, yup, Taufik is only 911 pts behind CJin.

[jasonmarc]

Oops, ya lah, LD lost points even though he didnt participate ABC last yr. PG, tending to his broken toe, moved up pulak :p:p. Haha, yup, Taufik is only 911 pts behind CJin.

Hehe,..if a broken toe can brings up PG's WR....he has nine more toes to break.............soon his will be WR No. 1.........:D:D:D...joking ...

[drifit]

Chong Wei reaps his latest reward – a brand new and sleek Perdana V6

By RAJES PAUL

KUALA LUMPUR: It pays to be a top national badminton player. And world number one men singles shuttler Lee Chong Wei will certainly attest to this.
The 27-year-old Chong Wei’s latest reward for all his accomplishments in badminton is a brand new and sleek black-colour Proton V6 Perdana car.
The Penangite has done well to maintain his world number one status since winning a silver medal at the Beijing Olympic Games in August last year.
http://thestar.com.my/archives/2009/4/21/sports/s_53chong.jpg Full of drive: World No. 1 Lee Chong Wei hopes all the rewards he has received will inspire aspiring singles players to achieve excellence in the game.
Proton is the main title sponsor for the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) and they felt that it was time to recognise Chong Wei for his successes.
And Chong Wei hopes that all the incentives and rewards he has received would inspire other aspiring younger singles players to press on and achieve excellence in badminton.
“It is rewarding to be a national badminton player. Our sponsor (Proton) has been generous to reward me with a car last week for all the good results that I have achieved,” said Chong Wei.
“Currently, we have a small pool of singles players at the elite level. Hopefully, many aspiring youngsters will be encouraged to improve their game in badminton.
“My beginning as a player was not easy too. But from my experience, I am sure that if the youngsters persevere, they will be rewarded for all their hard work one day,” he said.
For now, there are no players snapping at the heels of Chong Wei.
Two seasoned campaigners – Mohd Hafiz Hashim and Kuan Beng Hong – are trying to salvage their badminton careers while four elite squad back-up players – Tan Chun Seang, Chong Wei Feng, Mohd Arif Abdul Latif and Liew Daren – are still trying to make a breakthrough at the top level internationally.
“I hope all the back-up players, who are training with me, will make vast improvements in their game. Sometimes, I take them out and advise them. I want the best for them too,” said Chong Wei.
“The opportunity is all there but these players must put in extra effort.”
For the record, other than the car, Chong Wei has won several prestigious awards, including the Olympian of the Year and the National Sportsman of the Year.
He has also been appointed as the National Goodwill Ambassador for United Nations Children Fund (Unicef) Malaysia.
He also received monetary incentives from the National Sports Council (NSC) and BAM for his successes and has endorsed many products.


from today staronline (http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2009/4/21/sports/3734044&sec=sports).


wonder what will he gets in 2011, if he still maintaining world number 1?

[chris-ccc]

wonder what will he gets in 2011, if he still maintaining world number 1?



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Happy for LCW. Perhaps he could get a brand new car every year if he could maintain his World No.1 position until the 2012 OG.
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[AlanY]

I would have thought that been given a porton car is a punishment, unless of course you allow to give it away.

[koo_fan]

I would have thought that been given a porton car is a punishment, unless of course you allow to give it away.
..... i think it is permissible to "give it away".
A punishment..ouch! :p

[ctjcad]

Chong Wei reaps his latest reward – a brand new and sleek Perdana V6

By RAJES PAUL

KUALA LUMPUR: It pays to be a top national badminton player. And world number one men singles shuttler Lee Chong Wei will certainly attest to this.
The 27-year-old Chong Wei’s latest reward for all his accomplishments in badminton is a brand new and sleek black-colour Proton V6 Perdana car.
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wonder what will he gets in 2011, if he still maintaining world number 1?

I would have thought that been given a porton car is a punishment, unless of course you allow to give it away.
..looking at the sponsor logo on his yellow shirt, anyone surprised?..;)

What will he get in 2011 if he maintains his WR #1??..Hmmmm, let me think....another Proton car??..:confused:

[pjswift]

From the advertising point of view, I wouldn't call the Perdana car a gift.
Indirectly,it's getting LCW's endorsement for the cost price of the car.That's smart of Proton.
On that basis, it would not be surprising he gets a new model regularly as long as he remains WR1.

[george@chongwei]

From the advertising point of view, I wouldn't call the Perdana car a gift.
Indirectly,it's getting LCW's endorsement for the cost price of the car.That's smart of Proton.
On that basis, it would not be surprising he gets a new model regularly as long as he remains WR1.
yeah, its a reward and chong wei fully deserves it;)

[AlanY]

yeah, its a reward and chong wei fully deserves it;)
guess that you guys havent driven a proton before. i have unfortunately been given a porton for a couple of days. believe me, it wasnt a reward but a punishment!

[george@chongwei]

guess that you guys havent driven a proton before. i have unfortunately been given a porton for a couple of days. believe me, it wasnt a reward but a punishment!
hmm, u mean Proton cars?:D..speechless:p
btw, that's the 'reward' from Proton to him, and he has to accept it. furthermore, if he feels like its an indeed a 'punishment' for him, he can sell it anytime:D:Dlol

[chris-ccc]

From the advertising point of view, I wouldn't call the Perdana car a gift.



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:D:D:D Hahaha... Perhaps LCW has been requested to do this;

When on Badminton assignments, please drive your Proton.
When not on Badminton assignments, you can drive your other car(s).
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[danielwong]

why they are not giving him Proton Exora???

[koo_fan]

why they are not giving him Proton Exora???
I think because he's not yet married with Mew Choo. MPV kan?

[ctjcad]

..with this new decision, as mentioned here:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1258227&postcount=2053
http://www.bam.org.my/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1372&Itemid=1

Chong Wei will now play in selected tourneys
Wednesday, 23 September 2009
By RAJES PAUL

World No. 1 Lee Chong Wei will finally do what three-time world champion Lin Dan of China has been doing over the past one year – to make appearances in selected tournaments.

And he has decided to skip the Denmark Open, which will be held in Odense from Oct 20-25, and also an earlier domestic tournament, the Terengganu Open from Sept 30-Oct 3.

The short breaks in his hectic schedule will give him time to work on some areas of his game and peak in selected events.

Former world No. 1 Lin Dan has competed in six international tournaments thus far this year while Chong Wei had featured in 12.

National chief coach Rashid Sidek said: “We have reviewed his schedule and for now, Chong Wei has dropped one international and one local tournament.

“He will stay home during the Denmark Open and concentrate on rising up to the expectation in the French Open. He was a semi-finalist at France last year, and the goal is to go one step better.’

But Chong Wei’s immediate target is to capitalise on the absence of Lin Dan in the Japan Open, which will begin today in Tokyo.

Another Chinese player, Chen Jin, has withdrawn from the tournament. Chong Wei ran out of steam against Lin Dan in the semi-finals of the China Masters last week.

Lin Dan went on to show that having won the world title for the third time in Hyderabad last month had not diminished his fire and hunger to win more tournaments when he tamed Boonsak Ponsana of Thailand to take the title.

Today, Chong Wei will get to gauge where he stands against Boonsak, who played exceptionally well to upset Denmark’s Peter-Gade Christensen and China’s Chen Jin to reach the China Masters final.

The match will also be a sneak preview on what can be expected from both the shuttlers, who will resume their rivalry in the Laos SEA Games in December.

The other Malaysian men’s singles players in the fray are former internationals Wong Choong Hann and Pei Wee Chung, who will take on South Korean Park Sung-hwan and Andrew Smith of England respectively in the first round.

Courtesy of The Star

[chris-ccc]

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Yes, back in 06-Apr-2009, we started this thread;



IMHO, Lee Chong Wei could remain as World No.1 until he retires after the 2012 Olympic Games.

This thread is created to monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei.







..with this new decision, as mentioned here:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1258227&postcount=2053
http://www.bam.org.my/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1372&Itemid=1

Chong Wei will now play in selected tourneys
Wednesday, 23 September 2009
By RAJES PAUL

World No. 1 Lee Chong Wei will finally do what three-time world champion Lin Dan of China has been doing over the past one year – to make appearances in selected tournaments.

And he has decided to skip the Denmark Open, which will be held in Odense from Oct 20-25, and also an earlier domestic tournament, the Terengganu Open from Sept 30-Oct 3.

The short breaks in his hectic schedule will give him time to work on some areas of his game and peak in selected events.

Former world No. 1 Lin Dan has competed in six international tournaments thus far this year while Chong Wei had featured in 12.

National chief coach Rashid Sidek said: “We have reviewed his schedule and for now, Chong Wei has dropped one international and one local tournament.

“He will stay home during the Denmark Open and concentrate on rising up to the expectation in the French Open. He was a semi-finalist at France last year, and the goal is to go one step better.’

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Courtesy of The Star



We shall now wait and see. Currently, LCW still remains having scored a big difference in World Ranking points compared to the others.

At the BWF WR positions (released on Thursday, 24-Sep-2009), we have;
#1 Lee Chong Wei (MAS) ........... 80,371.06 points
#2 Lin Dan (CHN) ...................... 69,944.58 points
#3 Chen Jin (CHN) .................... 66,620.00 points
#4 Peter Gade (DEN) ................. 66,195.18 points
#5 Taufik Hidayat (INA) .............. 63,680.00 points
#6 Park Sung Hwan (KOR) ......... 53,326.67 points
#7 Boonsak Ponsana (THA) ........ 48,771.75 points
#8 Tien Minh Nguyen (VIE) ......... 47,490.00 points
#9 Joachim Persson (DEN) ......... 46,410.49 points
#10 Wong Choong Hann (MAS) ... 46,340.00 points

Lin Dan is the closest; but he is still quite far away (even though he is not interested to regain the WR No.1 crown). We shall continue to monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei.

Btw, we are not talking about individual tournaments, but about a sum of tournaments for a challenger with an intention to replace LCW's WR No.1 position.
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[jasonmarc]

The next one to be WR1 is surely LD...'the God'..........with only 8 tourney already 2nd place.....If he's WR1 then everyone will happy.........

[chris-ccc]

The next one to be WR1 is surely LD...'the God'..........with only 8 tourney already 2nd place.....If he's WR1 then everyone will happy.........



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But CHN is not interested to regain the Mens Singles World Ranking No.1.
Therefore, IMHO, we can leave Lin Dan out.
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[ctjcad]

....
Btw, we are not talking about individual tournaments, but about a sum of tournaments for a challenger with an intention to replace LCW's WR No.1 position.
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..what do you mean??..

Btw, there's another recent news which mentions LCW may be thinking of taking the rest of the yr off from competition..If this will be the plan til 2012 OG, then we probably can figure out the chances for him to retain his WR#1 til then..:cool:

[sting1988]

I feel as long as the WR#1 could bring good rating and fans, good for the sport then there's no reason for BWF to drop his ranking. LCW is a UN good-well ambassador so there's a lot of respect and praise for that man.

[Dato A]

The next one to be WR1 is surely LD...'the God'..........with only 8 tourney already 2nd place.....If he's WR1 then everyone will happy.........

Not everyone will happy. At least DLCW will feel sad.

I am just afraid that even DLCW skip some tourney and concentrate on certain majors, he is still not able to win. By that time, he will be more frustrated, as well as lost prizes that may be won by him by not skipping tourneys.

When selecting skipping tournaments, who will be his high-level sparring partners? Those Back-Up Primary-kids, or Those Kinder-Kids?

[jasonmarc]

I feel as long as the WR#1 could bring good rating and fans, good for the sport then there's no reason for BWF to drop his ranking. LCW is a UN good-well ambassador so there's a lot of respect and praise for that man.

Not from those...jia-u fans, Dato Asbullah, uncle Loh, Alexyong, :D:D

[Loh]

Not from those...jia-u fans, Dato Asbullah, uncle Loh, Alexyong, :D:D

How can you put me and Dato together. Dato always gives me trouble leh. :D:D:D

Your hero should really examine his mental which is getting worse after the WCM episode. Even Simon can beat him and if he continues like this NTM will find him easy to beat next time. And of course, he wont be No.1 anymore after that....:(:(:(

And I hope the crystal ball gazer should stop his predictions altogether since it does LCW no badminton good.

[jasonmarc]

How can you put me and Dato together. Dato always gives me trouble leh. :D:D:D

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To me u r all in the same catergogy ....... :D:D:D

[Amin Khalili]

If he rest from tournament due to his injury , what is the percentage for him to remain World Number 1 ranking?

[jasonmarc]

If he rest from tournament due to his injury , what is the percentage for him to remain World Number 1 ranking?

I only know...he has Chn Open 2nd place and French Open SF's points to defence..........;)

But it will be definately LD for WR1 if he plays in just 2 of the remains tourney....to make it 10 tournaments.

[Dato A]

What's the point keep WR No.1, but not able to win Major Championships?

Remain WR No.1 until 2012? HAHAHAHAHAHA..........

[drifit]

What's the point keep WR No.1, but not able to win Major Championships?

Remain WR No.1 until 2012? HAHAHAHAHAHA..........
which one is major title?
the "major championship" class, who class them?
like it or not, maintaining world number 1 is not as easy task too. love it or not, all the sponsor's promotion are indicating world number 1.
brand a - advertise "our product is world number 1". certified by "this and that agencies"
brand b - advertise "our product has won this and that major championships". so called "major championships" are what the fans said so.

[chris-ccc]

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Btw, we are not talking about individual tournaments, but about a sum of tournaments for a challenger with an intention to replace LCW's WR No.1 position.






..what do you mean??..

Btw, there's another recent news which mentions LCW may be thinking of taking the rest of the yr off from competition. If this will be the plan til 2012 OG, then we probably can figure out the chances for him to retain his WR#1 til then. :cool:



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I mean who wants to replace LCW in the WR No.1 position?

Lin Dan doesn't want it... Therefore the question is "Who wants to hold the Badminton World No.1 Mens Singles position?"
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[Jasonvan]

Wow, this sounds like the women's world #1 before the US open, how could Safina be WR#1 when she hasn't won any of the majors etc etc etc... While I'm not a LCW fan(BCL fan here), he is definitely a top 3 player in the world, but WR is just that, a ranking, I'm sure they could probably come up with a better system than the one right now but no system is perfect. We could do what they do in college football(BCS poll), but people even complain about that system..

[ctjcad]

which one is major title?
the "major championship" class, who class them?
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..who class them??..Well, the simple answer is BWF:
http://internationalbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=11245
Then of course, all of us fans would argue, agree, disagree on their ranking..;)

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I mean who wants to replace LCW in the WR No.1 position?

Lin Dan doesn't want it... Therefore the question is "Who wants to hold the Badminton World No.1 Mens Singles position?"
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- "Who wants to replace LCW in the WR No. 1 position?" Hmm, how many players are there in the top 10? I'm sure quite a few of them would like or want to be WR#1. But is that a priority for any of them?? That we don't know...
- I don't feel "LD doesn't want the WR#1 back". I think he just doesn't feel the urgency or need or the priority to get it back.
- The question of "Who wants to hold the Badminton World No.1 MS position?" is and should be a different thread topic...:p

[Dato A]

It is not easy to be world ranked No. 1.

But if CEH/WPT & KKK/TBH can be World's No.1, then what is difficulties of being so?

DLCW is World Ranked No. 1, but with no major championships title in hand.

Tell me what sports in the world that the sportsmens hold WR No.1, but without winning any major championships before....

[chris-ccc]

- "Who wants to replace LCW in the WR No. 1 position?" Hmm, how many players are there in the top 10? I'm sure quite a few of them would like or want to be WR#1. But is that a priority for any of them?? That we don't know...



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As it was quoted in opening post of this thread, namely;



IMHO, Lee Chong Wei could remain as World No.1 until he retires after the 2012 Olympic Games.

This thread is created to monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei.



And repeating here again: "This thread is created to monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei".

We haven't seen anyone serious enough to come forward to topple LCW.
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[chris-ccc]

DLCW is World Ranked No. 1, but with no major championships title in hand.

Tell me what sports in the world that the sportsmens hold WR No.1, but without winning any major championships before....



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As posted by Jasonvan in Post#237 of this thread:



Wow, this sounds like the women's world #1 before the US open, how could Safina be WR#1 when she hasn't won any of the majors etc etc etc... While I'm not a LCW fan (BCL fan here), he is definitely a top 3 player in the world, but WR is just that, a ranking, I'm sure they could probably come up with a better system than the one right now but no system is perfect. We could do what they do in college football (BCS poll), but people even complain about that system.

[drifit]

Tell me what sports in the world that the sportsmens hold WR No.1, but without winning any major championships before....
i know a sportwoman that didnt win any grand slam yet, but she is world number one. :D

[Dato A]

i know a sportwoman that didnt win any grand slam yet, but she is world number one. :D

A sportwoman that you mentioned is DINARA SAFINA?

If yes, she had already won US OPEN (1 of the Grand Slam tournament in Tennis) partnering Nathalie Dechy back in 2007.

Not need to count ah?:p

[Amin Khalili]

Atleast theyre someone that have the same situation as Chong Wei do ...

[OneToughBirdie]

.."Who wants to replace LCW in the WR No. 1 position?" Hmm, how many players are there in the top 10? I'm sure quite a few of them would like or want to be WR#1. But is that a priority for any of them?? That we don't know...
- I don't feel "LD doesn't want the WR#1 back". I think he just doesn't feel the urgency or need or the priority to get it back.
- The question of "Who wants to hold the Badminton World No.1 MS position?" is and should be a different thread topic...:p

Besides LD, there are not many players that can challenge LCW participation frequency and consistency for WR1. If being WR1 qualify for bonus $$$ like MAS is offering and endorsement potential, then the incentive exists for any player wanna be WR1 despite the huge pressure and expectation of being WR1.
I concur with you LD would want his WR1 back. But to be WR1, LD needs to travel/participate in a lot of tournaments, win to get the most points, and I surmise for LD at his age and having won a huge share of SS, that is a lot of work for too low a payout and also risks injury, exposure and wearing him out as his remaining goals are OLY12, AG10/12 and more AE/WC.
Since CJ is WR2 and tournament rules forbid CHN top 2 players to be in the same half, what incentive is there for LD to pursue WR1 as long as he keeping beating the WR1 and everyone else?

[eaglehelang]

Since CJ is WR2 and tournament rules forbid CHN top 2 players to be in the same half, what incentive is there for LD to pursue WR1 as long as he keeping beating the WR1 and everyone else?

Uncle One Tough, Chen Jin is currently WR#3. LD has gone up to WR#2, since LD also didnt participate many tournaments bf & after OG in 2008.

http://internationalbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=11270

[OneToughBirdie]

Uncle One Tough, Chen Jin is currently WR#3. LD has gone up to WR#2, since LD also didnt participate many tournaments bf & after OG in 2008.

http://internationalbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=11270


Thanks young Eagle for correction...then LCW does not have to face LD in the same half. Improve ranking for LD and good for LCW at the same time.

Also, I forgot to point out that MAS players get to keep 100% of winnings, endorsement, etc., therefore MAS players should be motivated to go for WR1 despite the huge pressure. CHN players get to keep half of that.

[koo_fan]

A sportwoman that you mentioned is DINARA SAFINA?

If yes, she had already won US OPEN (1 of the Grand Slam tournament in Tennis) partnering Nathalie Dechy back in 2007.

Not need to count ah?:p
need not to count la. She is World Number 1 in Woman Single Player category. As for doubles, not even once a top 3 i guess.

Same case with LCW, and yet, she'll always be recognized as once a world number 1 player.
and hey, we should do the same for LCW.

[Dato A]

Nicole David had won her 4th World Open title.

4th time.....

[Thom_bad]

I think this new strategy, which has been tested and approved by LD, is a good choice for DLCW.
Pehars that changing his preparation tactic will get him more confident for the majors, but he really has to have good results on the selected tournaments !

Moreover, i don't think that the fact to be no1 or not is important for him, the aim is just to be seeded for the majors.