Possible seedings

[robin7]

Ranking Date: 16 April 2009


Men's Singles


1 LEE Chong Wei MAS 84179
2 GADE Peter Hoeg DEN 64683
3 LIN Dan CHN 62040

4 CHEN Jin CHN 59854
5 HIDAYAT Taufik INA 58943
6 KUNCORO Sony Dwi INA 56027
7 PERSSON Joachim DEN 54460
8 SANTOSO Simon INA 46485
9 BAO Chunlai CHN 44262
10 WACHA Przemyslaw POL 43581


If the seedings for WC 2009 are to be made according to the rankings by 30 April 2009, LD can meet LCW as early as semi-finals. I'm not sure if this is what CHN plans but it's definitely not MAS expects.

[jamesd20]

Yes but this is hypothetical as the seedings aren't based on the 16th April right?

When are they based on?

[george@chongwei]

hmm, lin dan now are currently 3rd in the world.

[CLELY]

The drawing will be held on 21 July 2009 based on 16 July world ranking to determine seeds. Some bdm tourneys before 16 July are Sudirman Cup, SIN SS, INA SS, Malaysia GP Gold and US Open GP. I guess LCW and LD will be top-two seeds in world-meet...

[robin7]

Hmm, I remembered that the seedings of Olympics were based on rankings by 30 April 2008.

[krisss]

hmm, lin dan now are currently 3rd in the world.

Yeah , :-( . I imagine he will be number 2 by July though :D

[dassad]

Oh LD is already third
well, with his tempo participating in tournaments this year he would be even lower, despite winning AE, WC and so on
will be some kind of Sampras in 1998-2000..
What happens now at big badminton world? where do all stars play? i see there are no stable tournaments before WC:mad:

[jasonmarc]

According to this article,...the last WR point to use as seeding is 16 July 2009

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Monday/Sport/2588469/Article/pppull_index_html

......July 16 ranking which will determine the seedings for the major event.

[robin7]

Lin Dan is back in #2.

Ranking Date: 25 June 2009


Men's Singles

1 LEE Chong Wei MAS 84191.06
2 LIN Dan CHN 67744.58
3 CHEN Jin CHN 66200
4 Peter Hoeg GADE DEN 64755.18
5 Taufik HIDAYAT INA 61160
6 Sony Dwi KUNCORO INA 58912.04
7 Joachim PERSSON DEN 50670.49
8 PARK Sung Hwan KOR 50086.67
9 CHAN Yan Kit HKG 42782.6
10 Boonsak PONSANA THA 41991.75
11 HSIEH Yu Hsing TPE 41030
12 BAO Chunlai CHN 40040
13 Simon SANTOSO INA 39220.04
14 Chetan ANAND IND 39219
15 NGUYEN Tien Minh VIE 39180
16 WONG Choong Hann MAS 38440

[Oldhand]

It appears that China has moved its pieces well.

As it stands, Lee Chong Wei will have Chen Jin for company in his half.
As for Lin Dan, he gets the less-threatening Peter Gade in his half.

Trust Li Yongbo to get the 'calculations' right most of the time :o

[badMania]

Err....it might not be the case. Lin Dan can still face Chen Jin in the bottom half of the draw. The position of the 3rd and 4th seeds are randomly chosen.

[badMania]

For example:
In the WC 2007, Lin Dan [1] and Bao Chunlai [4] are in the top half, while Lee Chong Wei [2] and Chen Jin [3] are in the bottom half.

[Oldhand]

Err....it might not be the case. Lin Dan can still face Chen Jin in the bottom half of the draw. The position of the 3rd and 4th seeds are randomly chosen.

Is that so?
I assumed it would be an automatic 1&3 and 2&4?

And wouldn't that be the 'fairer' way to do it?
(Not that such machinations are ethical and 'fair' :p)

[Chibot]

Wow, Lin Dan is back to number 2 world ranking, so he will meet LCW in the final if they are go through. A good scenario

[krisss]

Is that so?
I assumed it would be an automatic 1&3 and 2&4?

And wouldn't that be the 'fairer' way to do it?
(Not that such machinations are ethical and 'fair' :p)

Lol yeah , thats quite strange. Although it is "unfair" it is ethical - maybe LYB has calculated incorrectly :p.

[blackbhara92]

wow,. it make me making a big ^O^,. LYB is not an acountant, hahahah

[CLELY]

MS World Ranking per 02 July 2009, Lin Dan WR slipped to number 5. Chen Jin is world #2 now.

[george@chongwei]

so now the possibility chong wei will meet lin dan even before the final;)
if the condition stays like this.

[OneToughBirdie]

The lower the ranking for LD, that spells grief for anyone meeting him early, any volunteer?:D. I still pick LD to win. When the chips are high, LD will show up, after all it's a major. Then again, DLCW has been playing very well lately and India with the small 4000 seat stadium may be a good neutral place for LCW than the pressure dome of MAS. Just avoid the food and water;)

[jasonmarc]

WR on 02/07/2009

Rank BWF ID Family Name Player Name NAC Ind Pts T
1 50152 LEE Chong Wei MAS
2 51592 CHEN Jin CHN
3 6926 GADE Peter Hoeg DEN
4 10337 HIDAYAT Taufik INA
5 50906 LIN Dan CHN
6 50427 KUNCORO Sony Dwi INA
7 51053 PERSSON Joachim DEN
8 51324 PARK Sung Hwan KOR
9 4240 WONG Choong Hann MAS
10 15751 HSIEH Yu Hsing TPE
11 51306 CHAN Yan Kit HKG
12 51274 BAO Chunlai CHN
13 51599 SANTOSO Simon INA
14 11691 ANAND Chetan IND
15 14107 NGUYEN Tien Minh VIE
16 11959 PONSANA Boonsak THA
17 52738 TEDJONO Andre Kurniawan INA
18 6967 PALYAMA Dicky NED
19 54431 JORGENSEN Jan O DEN
20 8396 WACHA Przemyslaw POL

[robin7]

Ranking Date: 2 July 2009


Men's Singles

1 LEE Chong Wei MAS 84771.06
2 CHEN Jin CHN 66200
3 GADE Peter Hoeg DEN 64755.18
4 HIDAYAT Taufik INA 61160
5 LIN Dan CHN 60744.58
6 KUNCORO Sony Dwi INA 58912.04
7 PERSSON Joachim DEN 50670.49
8 PARK Sung Hwan KOR 50086.67
9 WONG Choong Hann MAS 43340
10 HSIEH Yu Hsing TPE 41030
11 CHAN Yan Kit HKG 40102.6
12 BAO Chunlai CHN 40040
13 SANTOSO Simon INA 39220.04
14 ANAND Chetan IND 39219
15 NGUYEN Tien Minh VIE 39180
16 PONSANA Boonsak THA 38261.75


Wow, Lee Chong Wei (#1) and Lin Dan (#5) can clash as early as quarter-final and it's gonna be everyone's mightmares!

[Oldhand]

Wow, Lee Chong Wei (#1) and Lin Dan (#5) can clash as early as quarter-final and it's gonna be everyone's mightmares!

Haha... one of them will surely have nightmares :D

[OneToughBirdie]

Haha... one of them will surely have nightmares :D

Then whoever is on the other half of the draw will say thank you very much, and btw, please include CJ in your half too. Meeting at QF, well, LYB cannot strategize result fixing and if LCW lost, cannot blame LYB no more;)

[ctjcad]

..based on the 2007 MS seeding/draw format. It will indeed be a LD vs. LCW Final, if everything goes according to plan.

Top half:
1)Datuk Lee Chong Wei
15)Tien Minh Nguyean
8)Park Sung Hwan
13)Simon Santoso
4)Taufik Hidayat
10)Hsieh Yu Hsing
7)Bao Chun Lai
12)Joachim Persson

Bottom half:
14)Chetan Anand
6)Sony D. Kuncoro
11)Chan Yan Kit
3) Peter Gade
16)Boonsak Ponsana
5)Lin Dan
9)Wong Choong Han
2)Chen Jin

[Oldhand]

WR on 02/07/2009

Rank BWF ID Family Name Player Name NAC Ind Pts T
1 50152 LEE Chong Wei MAS
2 51592 CHEN Jin CHN
3 6926 GADE Peter Hoeg DEN
4 10337 HIDAYAT Taufik INA
5 50906 LIN Dan CHN
6 50427 KUNCORO Sony Dwi INA
7 51053 PERSSON Joachim DEN
8 51324 PARK Sung Hwan KOR
9 4240 WONG Choong Hann MAS
10 15751 HSIEH Yu Hsing TPE
11 51306 CHAN Yan Kit HKG
12 51274 BAO Chunlai CHN
13 51599 SANTOSO Simon INA
14 11691 ANAND Chetan IND
15 14107 NGUYEN Tien Minh VIE
16 11959 PONSANA Boonsak THA
17 52738 TEDJONO Andre Kurniawan INA
18 6967 PALYAMA Dicky NED
19 54431 JORGENSEN Jan O DEN
20 8396 WACHA Przemyslaw POL
The world rankings are so unrelated to the quality of the players!
Even a retired Chen Hong or Lee Hyun-Il would whip many of these top ranked players :o

[OneToughBirdie]

..based on the 2007 MS seeding/draw format. It will indeed be a LD vs. LCW Final, if everything goes according to plan.

Top half:
1)Datuk Lee Chong Wei
15)Tien Minh Nguyean
8)Park Sung Hwan
13)Simon Santoso
4)Taufik Hidayat
10)Hsieh Yu Hsing
7)Bao Chun Lai
12)Joachim Persson

Bottom half:
14)Chetan Anand
6)Sony D. Kuncoro
11)Chan Yan Kit
3) Peter Gade
16)Boonsak Ponsana
5)Lin Dan
9)Wong Choong Han
2)Chen Jin

I still think when WC09 rolls around, LD will be the one to beat. If that is the WC09 draw as you shown, for Datuk to dance one more time with LD in final...well, 'possible', 'probable', 'quite likely', 'looking good' but not 'indeed', cos pretty boy Bao Bao, Tien, Park are not easy customers especially Bao Bao, if the Indian gals root for him...but I hope you are right though cos I never get tired watching these 2 fellas play, just hope it will be entertaining and not a rout.

[X Ball]

Based on current form, I think it will be a 'LCW vs Chen Jin' Final.

[dassad]

Based on current form, I think it will be a 'LCW vs Chen Jin' Final.

yes after losing down 21:4 to CJ one can erase LD from the net, that is what you are trying to say?;)

[jasonmarc]

Based on current form, I think it will be a 'LCW vs Chen Jin' Final.

But LCW probably will have NTM in his half.....he has to past NTM first...;)

Not to forget...BCL who still playing strongly with his knee injury.....

PSH who cant beat anyone in his day.........

TH who so determine to win WC for the 2nd time..........

and possible early clash with LD....................

[X Ball]

But LCW probably will have NTM in his half.....he has to past NTM first...;)

Not to forget...BCL who still playing strongly with his knee injury.....

PSH who cant beat anyone in his day.........

TH who so determine to win WC for the 2nd time..........

and possible early clash with LD....................


LCW does not have to go past anyone ------ they have to past him !:D

[X Ball]

yes after losing down 21:4 to CJ one can erase LD from the net, that is what you are trying to say?;)


LCW used to be mentally weak and he used to lose heart when LD stepped up. All the knockers will not say those things about him anymore less they bite their tongues.
:D

[jump_smashing]

taufik isnt in National Squad anymore, can he also compete in this WC 2009?

[george@chongwei]

taufik isnt in National Squad anymore, can he also compete in this WC 2009?
yes, he can. as an independent player;)

[jasonmarc]

yes, he can. as an independent player;)

and will still representing Indonesia.........;)

[etudiant]

how bout the orther's disciplines..???

[budibadibu]

i think BWF have given independence to badminton organization in every country to arrange that...haha..including PBSI who decided to use non-pelatnas players..
anw..when is the dateline for BWF to show up their final seeding for WC ??

[CLELY]

i think BWF have given independence to badminton organization in every country to arrange that...haha..including PBSI who decided to use non-pelatnas players..
anw..when is the dateline for BWF to show up their final seeding for WC ??

Seeding date is 16 July 2009
Drawing date is 21 July 2009

[leonardklh]

seeding date is based on which world ranking?

[whack_d_net]

From the BWF site:
The last phase for eligibility for the YONEX-SUNRISE BWF World Championship 2009 ended on 22 June
Maybe seeding solely based on those world ranking as well
CMIIW ,-)

Let's just play d' game wait 'n see till the seeding and draws out
Hehe ,-)

[CLELY]

seeding date is based on which world ranking?

Based on 16 July 2009 WR to determine seeding position.

[whack_d_net]

Based on 16 July 2009 WR to determine seeding position.

Thanks for the confirmation ,-)
It clears up all the confusion
Wheew just a couple more days till seeding date
But i guess we can alredy predict the seedings from the latest World Rankings,
as in the recent weeks there's not so many tourneys which can fluctuate WR points drastically
AFAIK, maybe only US Open which gives boost to TH and TG/HB latest WR points?

[leonardklh]

cant wait for the seeding & drawing date... kan chiong..=)

[markchan]

If seedings are based on WR pts as of 22 June, then what's the surprise?

Is there a possibilty that the BWF would seed LCW and LD 1 and 2 respectively to boost the prestige of the WC as most wud agree that they are the top 2 at the moment. Or are there any rules against this?

[jasonmarc]

cant wait for the seeding & drawing date... kan chiong..=)

Tomorrow will decides the seeding.........;)

[leonardklh]

what is time is the seeding time tmr?

[CLELY]

Top-8 WR in 5 disciplines :

MS
1. Lee Chong Wei (MAS)
2. Chen Jin (CHN)
3. Peter Hoeg Gade (DEN)
4. Taufik Hidayat (INA)
5. Lin Dan (CHN)
6. Sony Dwi Kuncoro (INA)
7. Joachim Persson (DEN)
8. Park Sung Hwan (KOR)

WS
1. Zhou Mi (HKG)
2. Wang Lin (CHN)
3. Tine Rasmussen (DEN)
4. Wang Yihan (CHN)
5. Xie Xingfang (CHN)
6. Saina Nehwal (IND)
7. Lu Lan (CHN)
8. Pi Hongyan (FRA)

MD
1. Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (INA)
2. Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong (MAS)
3. Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen (DEN)
4. Jung Jae Sung/Lee Young Dae (KOR)
5. Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen (DEN)
6. Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng (CHN)
7. Mohammad Ahsan/Bona Septano (INA)
8. Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif/Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari (MAS)

WD
1. Chin Eei Hui/Wong Pei Tty (MAS)
2. Cheng Shu/Zhao Yunlei (CHN)
3. Lee Hyo Jung/ Lee Kyung Won (KOR)
4. Ha Jung Eun/Kim Min Jung (KOR)
5. Cheng Wen Hsing/Chien Yu Chin (TPE)
6. Zhang Yawen/Zhao Tingting (CHN)
7. Du Jing/Yu Yang (CHN)
8. Lena Frier-Kristiansen/Kamilla Rytter-Juhl (DEN)

XD
1. Lee Young Dae/Lee Hyo Jung (KOR)
2. Nova Widianto/Liliyana Natsir (INA)
3. Zheng Bo/Ma Jin (CHN)
4. He Hanbin/Yu Yang (CHN)
5. Joachim Fischer-Nielsen/Christinna Pedersen (DEN)
6. Thomas Laybourn/Kamilla Rytter-Juhl (DEN)
7. Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam (THA)
8. Diju Valiyaveetil/Jwala Gutta (IND)

[george@chongwei]

so the seedings will be based on the WR too;)

[whack_d_net]

Had everything according to plan (barring any X-factor),
will LD face LCW at SF?
time will tell,
besides we must still wait until draws finally out
The top seed (WR #1):
2 for MAS (MS and WD)
1 for INA (MD)
1 for KOR (XD)
1 for HK (WS)
will they claim their status and clinch the gold?

[2cents]

Had everything according to plan (barring any X-factor),
will LD face LCW at SF?time will tell,
besides we must still wait until draws finally out
The top seed (WR #1):
2 for MAS (MS and WD)
1 for INA (MD)
1 for KOR (XD)
1 for HK (WS)
will they claim their status and clinch the gold?

what you said was not accurate :rolleyes:

LD and LCW have to be in the same half because Chen Jin (the 2nd) is from China. But since Lin Dan is raked at 5th, while LCW 1st, they could have to fight in the quarter final.

[whack_d_net]

what you said was not accurate :rolleyes:

LD and LCW have to be in the same half because Chen Jin (the 2nd) is from China. But since Lin Dan is raked at 5th, while LCW 1st, they could have to fight in the quarter final.
.....
aaaah i miscalculate, i forget the WC or OG drawing system a bit different from SS/other tourney
So, LD possibly vs LCW at QF?
Well what do you think?
Match of the year or worst-nightmare-ever?
LOL :rolleyes:

[2cents]

.....
aaaah i miscalculate, i forget the WC or OG drawing system a bit different from SS/other tourney
So, LD possibly vs LCW at QF?
Well what do you think?
Match of the year or worst-nightmare-ever?
LOL :rolleyes:

I have no special feelings for that. If those two are really levels above other players, then 3/4 of all players would be extra happy about that.

we can assume all the half in Chen Jin's half should be happy because they have already successfully avoided LD and LCW, but the fact is that Chen Jin just beat Lin Dan twice in their most recent encounters.

LCW has a tendency that he usually did pretty well when people do not expect him much. But in big games, LCW typically failed short to people's expectations.

Unlike LCW, LD usually delivers, he can often satisfy people's expecations. When people got bored his continues winning, he can always manage to lose a couple.

Chen Jin is always a little bit short to expectations.

what Gade can provide is just good memory, people always got surprised that he's still there, also highly ranked, but few still take him seriously.

Taufik is totally unpredictable.

[CLELY]

Here's the 2009 WC seeding report :

[whack_d_net]

I have no special feelings for that. If those two are really levels above other players, then 3/4 of all players would be extra happy about that.

we can assume all the half in Chen Jin's half should be happy because they have already successfully avoided LD and LCW, but the fact is that Chen Jin just beat Lin Dan twice in their most recent encounters.

LCW has a tendency that he usually did pretty well when people do not expect him much. But in big games, LCW typically failed short to people's expectations.

Unlike LCW, LD usually delivers, he can often satisfy people's expecations. When people got bored his continues winning, he can always manage to lose a couple.

Chen Jin is always a little bit short to expectations.

what Gade can provide is just good memory, people always got surprised that he's still there, also highly ranked, but few still take him seriously.

Taufik is totally unpredictable.

Good point and great analysis (your 2 cents, eh? LOL)
Oh and also don't forget about the X-factor
Hehehe ,-D