Sudirman 2009 - Draw Group1

[cxytdn]

G1a: Den Mas Kor Hkg
G1b: Ina Chn Eng Jpn

[CLELY]

Thx cxytdn for your latest info...

Group 1A is surely tougher than 1B.

[limsy]

G1a: Den Mas Kor Hkg
G1b: Ina Chn Eng Jpn

hmm,so china will top group 1b
let just see who will face china in semis:cool:

[badMania]

Reasonable draw for INA. This makes sure that they can test CHN in group stage and avoid them until the Final (if both teams make it).

[george@chongwei]

G1a: Den Mas Kor Hkg
G1b: Ina Chn Eng Jpn
thanks for the info.
it seems like group 1 is difficult for malaysia a bit. where korea and denmark are in the same group:cool:

[Ajaib]

hahaha,, nightmare for malaysia....
indonesia has the easiest draw amongst the possible runner-up

[abesadi]

I hope ina team can reach final..
Reach semifinal is a MUST for ina in this draw, without underestimate england and japan..

[nick.h]

we'll be in semifinal most definitely...BUT...not too sure if we can make it to the final...we havent got strong WS or WD even our MS isnt that strong (compared to LD, LCW)...we'll most likely be facing korea in semis...need i remind you what had happened during TC in JKT?...we'll jst have to hope for the best i guess...but i have a feeling we'll be runner ups again this year :D

[george@chongwei]

hahaha,, nightmare for malaysia....
indonesia has the easiest draw amongst the possible runner-up
dont be so confident. japan or england might spring a surprise though:cool:;)

[jutawin]

INA team can make it to semifinal.. Tougher opponent has wait in semis..

[koo_fan]

Any team from g1 who made to semi ( or quarter) should have a tough journey.
BAdmania, reasonable draw for indo eh? It's unlikely for Malaysia, though.

Good luck, Malaysia! We can if we think we can.

[robin7]

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia’s hopes of making the semi-finals for the first time in the Sudirman Cup will hinge on the performance of the men’s doubles players.

And Koo Kien Keat is determined to live up to expectations with his partner Tan Boon Heong in the world mixed team event, which will be held in Guangzhou from May 10-17.
Based on the draw released by the World Badminton Federation (BWF) yesterday, fourth seeded Malaysia are in Group A of Division One with top seeds Denmark, South Korea and Hong Kong.

In Group B are Indonesia, defending champions China, England and Japan.

Full story (http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2009/4/26/sports/3775321&sec=sports) from The Star

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Malaysia is in the same group as Denmark and Korea.

Against Denmark, Malaysia will rely on MS, MD and WD to deliver.
Against Korea, Malaysia can steal points from MS, MD and WS.

[etudiant]

Prediction pts for INA in stage preliminary round: against JPN ( i think we can manage to win all of the tie, based on wr and everything, tougher in WS, WD and MD); against ENG (MS, WS, MD, WD should win, XD 55%); CHN ( depend on coach strategy, if we want to test with full team or just send the 2nd tiers to gain experience, either way sf is on the way).....

[badMania]

I think INA will have a mixed strategy against CHN. On some disciplines, they will want to throw their best, while for some, they will reserve their power and use the reserves to earn them some valuable ranking pts.

My take on the team composition against CHN:
XD -- Fran Kurniawan/Liliyana Natsir (to confuse CHN and perhaps test He Hanbin/Yu Yang)
WS -- Maria Kristin Yulianti (test any of the players thrown in)
MS -- Sony Dwi Kuncoro (to test Lin Dan)
WD -- Nitya Krishinda Maheswari/Greysia Polii
MD -- Bona Septano/Mohd Ahsan

For JPN and ENG, INA has to throw the best team.

[limsy]

For JPN and ENG, INA has to throw the best team.

:eek:,why?
not u but many think that ina can easily beat england and japan:p

[jutawin]

:eek:,why?
not u but many think that ina can easily beat england and japan:p

we hope so..
INA will beat China to top the group.. Hehe..

[limsy]

we hope so..
INA will beat China to top the group.. Hehe..

the only point that china lost in last edition of sudirman is from lindan(lost to lcw)
many said that china is getting stronger this year,if they really lost to ina in group stage,i will:eek:

[jamesd20]

dont be so confident. japan or england might spring a surprise though:cool:;)

I doubt it. ENG have little chance, they effectivley are two down from the Singles, meaning they have to win all of MD, XD and WD. MD & XD is doable if the best play well, but WD are also a giveaway point...

Japan give away there XD, but are underdogs in each event. MS could spring suprise, as could MD. WD is the closest. JP WS also not on form.

[george@chongwei]

I doubt it. ENG have little chance, they effectivley are two down from the Singles, meaning they have to win all of MD, XD and WD. MD & XD is doable if the best play well, but WD are also a giveaway point...

Japan give away there XD, but are underdogs in each event. MS could spring suprise, as could MD. WD is the closest. JP WS also not on form.
hope this two team can give the run of the money to ina;)
maybe they might spring a surprise?:D;)
btw, they are underdogs though:rolleyes:

[badMania]

INA vs ENG -- 11 May (Monday)
XD: Nova Widianto/Liliyana Natsir vs Anthony Clark/Donna Kellogg -- this one will be 50-50, given the ENG pair's numerous victories over the INA pair. I think this is one of the point that ENG can steal from INA.

WS: Adriyanti Firdasari vs Elizabeth Cann -- this one should belong to INA.

MS: Simon Santoso vs Andrew Smith -- no doubt about it, INA should also take this one.

WD: Nitya Krishinda Maheswari/Greysia Polii vs Gabrielle White/Jenny Wallwork -- again, there's no reason why INA will drop this one.

MD: Bona Septano/Mohd Ahsan or Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki vs Nathan Robertson/Anthony Clark -- I hope Bona/Ahsan or Rian/Yoke will be fielded in the match against ENG. If the scoreline is 3-1 to INA, there's no harm in fielding them for the sake of gaining ranking points for WC seeding.

[badMania]

INA vs JPN -- 10 May (Sunday)
The first match of the Sudirman Cup, so, I believe INA will field their best players. However, when I look at the names of the Japanese players, I am quite surprised not to find Shizuka Matsuo (Noriyasu Hirata's partner), Shuichi Sakamoto (Shintaro Ikeda's partner), Ai Goto and Hirayama Yu (their best WS players). Instead, I do find (surprise surprise) Reiko Shiota, Sayako Sato, and Mayu Sekiya.

XD: Nova Widianto/Liliyana Natsir vs (possibly) Shintaro Ikeda/Reiko Shiota -- INA should take this one against any pair that JPN puts up.

WS: Maria Kristin Yulianti vs Mayu Sekiya or Sayako Sato -- based on ranking, INA should take this one.

MS: Sony Dwi Kuncoro vs Kenichi Tago or Sho Sasaki -- a tricky one, esp if Sho Sasaki is being fielded. Nevertheless, Sony should beat either of the two players.

WD: Meiliana Jauhari/Shendy Puspa Irawati vs Satoko Suetsuna/Miyuki Maeda -- this is the one pt that I believe JPN can win.

MD: Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan vs Kenta Kazuno/Kenichi Hayakawa -- a tricky tie also for the World and Olympics Champions. But, I believe they can deliver the one pt.

INA to beat JPN 4-1.

As for INA vs ENG, the scoreline should be either 3-2 or 4-1 in favor of INA.

[badMania]

INA vs CHN will be on 14 May (Thursday). So, plenty of time to ponder on team selection issues. If the best players are put, INA can at most win 2 pts only (from XD and MD). If INA chooses to rest its best players and give their bench-warmers a match, expect CHN to win it 5-0!

[nick.h]

well, i think INA will have to field our best players during the early rounds against JPN and ENG like badMania said...
but on the 14th of May against CHN, since INA's chances are always slim, i dont see why INA wouldnt field our 2nd team players like Simon/Tommy, bona/ahsan, and fran/pia...jst to test and predict how much damage these players can cause CHN team...and to rest the stronger players for the semis against korea/mas

[george@chongwei]

japan might fill yu hirayama for the ws slot;)

[badMania]

japan might fill yu hirayama for the ws slot;)

Her name is not in the players list :cool:

[george@chongwei]

Her name is not in the players list :cool:
thats surely a surprise for me;):eek:

[hcpoirot]

Indonesia will not play their best team against China if they win against Japan and England in group 1A to determine who win this group.

Cause even if they used their best team, they will lost. Better to save energy and prepare the best team for semifinal. Then they can fight nothing to lose in final.

Japan will much tougher to beat than England cause their weakest point only from XD. meanwhile they Japan will win 1 point from WD. But Indonesia will win point from MD and MS. For WS, if Maria is 100% healthy and in her best form, she will also win.

[hcpoirot]

Hmm, wonder why Japan only bring their second best players to Sudirman Cup? With these players, they will lost even to England.

Even Hong Kong who did not had any chance to win this CUp fielded their best players.

A major let down for Japan fans. So I change my opinion. Japan was the weakest team in this group after saw the players list.

[hcpoirot]

INA vs ENG -- 11 May (Monday)
XD: Nova Widianto/Liliyana Natsir vs Anthony Clark/Donna Kellogg -- this one will be 50-50, given the ENG pair's numerous victories over the INA pair. I think this is one of the point that ENG can steal from INA.

WS: Adriyanti Firdasari vs Elizabeth Cann -- this one should belong to INA.

MS: Simon Santoso vs Andrew Smith -- no doubt about it, INA should also take this one.

WD: Nitya Krishinda Maheswari/Greysia Polii vs Gabrielle White/Jenny Wallwork -- again, there's no reason why INA will drop this one.

MD: Bona Septano/Mohd Ahsan or Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki vs Nathan Robertson/Anthony Clark -- I hope Bona/Ahsan or Rian/Yoke will be fielded in the match against ENG. If the scoreline is 3-1 to INA, there's no harm in fielding them for the sake of gaining ranking points for WC seeding.

I do think Ina has to play Markis/Hendra cause the WD is not a sure point here. England can play Donna Kellog in WD. She was a very good WD and experience WD player combine with any team mates. Eng can suprise our WD . So playing Markis/Hendra is for a guarantee.

[abesadi]

well, i think INA will have to field our best players during the early rounds against JPN and ENG like badMania said...
but on the 14th of May against CHN, since INA's chances are always slim, i dont see why INA wouldnt field our 2nd team players like Simon/Tommy, bona/ahsan, and fran/pia...jst to test and predict how much damage these players can cause CHN team...and to rest the stronger players for the semis against korea/mas

Err.. Pia didnt join ina team this year, fran will partner with lilyana or shendy, and i hope fran can make our xd more strong in this Sudirman cup!

Go INA!

[CLELY]

INA must win over ENG and JPN as two crucial matches at group-stage to secure semifinal spot. And nothing to lose situation against CHN as last match in subgroup 1B to determine winner & runner-up position.

[ctjcad]

...
Even Hong Kong who did not had any chance to win this CUp fielded their best players.
...
..well, to put it mildly, they are indeed the "best" players HK can afford to field. Perhaps they don't have much in terms of depth of players (younger/junior)??:confused:

[badadum]

I do think Ina has to play Markis/Hendra cause the WD is not a sure point here. England can play Donna Kellog in WD. She was a very good WD and experience WD player combine with any team mates. Eng can suprise our WD . So playing Markis/Hendra is for a guarantee.

Markis/Hendra has bad records against English MD.....beats me why. :confused:
Having said that I doubt ENG can steal any point excepts for XD. Even if DK is playing WD, her partner is nowhere near her level to be a significant threat against Mel/Shendy or Greysia/Nitya.