So have anyone tried out the rackets from Li Ning?

I am interested but dont seem that it has arrived in Malaysian shores yet.

I also really want to know how these new Li Ning rackets are.

Got few sets of Li Ning rackets to test. However due to time constrain.. no time to do review. High end ones are not too bad.

Got few sets of Li Ning rackets to test. However due to time constrain.. no time to do review. High end ones are not too bad.
Hi ants, just curious how they compare to high end yonex in general...since the price is not that cheap?:confused:

I've only seen low-end Li-Ning racquets being sold in where I stayed in China, and I don't know where to look for. Most of the stores only carries these brands: Yonex, Victor, Kawasaki, Sotx, RSL, Dunlop, Kason, and Apacs.

Please take some detail pics as well...:D:p:D

Got few sets of Li Ning rackets to test. However due to time constrain.. no time to do review. High end ones are not too bad.

I'm looking forward to seeing Ants's review. Is it worth for us to spend a lot in that brand?

Li Ning does not have their own R&D. Personally i believe they are using Kason's and some SOTX's know how and improve on in. I do agree that their stuffs is not for the faint hearted. But then I'm sure there are some people who valued their "Marketing" presence than the product itself. However it is worth a try and decide either to stick to Yonex or buy Li Ning for Brand purposes.

As Yonex has its R&D team and made great products over the years. They are proven over the years and it shows that Yonex have many followers from users to "copycats". Only when you are good... people would like to copy you or even make a look alike.

As for Li Ning, they are smart as they bought over companies whom have been in the badminton industry over the years. As Li Ning does not need to start all over. What they are doing now is to improve to be better when come to badminton equipment and make it their own. Like Carlton, Wilson, RSL , Babolat , Yonex ... Li Ning also want to be included in the Badminton Industry.

The badminton rackets ( high end ) would probably be available the the stores near you ( Singapore , Malaysia , Indonesia , HK ) around June.

Is it worth spending in Li Ning products? Its really up to the consumers who will have the feedback. Only the best last. And in the end you will decide if LiNing add if not enhance value in your sport lifestyle.

must see in summer ;)

Then I'm looking forward to seeing its product in summer. Also is there any player using LiNing's racket in recent game?

Here is my question and I am serious about this one. LN is going to retail their high end racquet at Yonex high end price. If Yonex has trouble selling high end in china when it still sponsoring chinese team, how many people in china is going to dish out $200 USD for a LN racquet?

Here is my question and I am serious about this one. LN is going to retail their high end racquet at Yonex high end price. If Yonex has trouble selling high end in china when it still sponsoring chinese team, how many people in china is going to dish out $200 USD for a LN racquet?

Need to look at it from both sides. If a person can afford a $200 Yonex, s/he might shift to LN, consider LN's icon in CHN. :rolleyes:

Here is my question and I am serious about this one. LN is going to retail their high end racquet at Yonex high end price. If Yonex has trouble selling high end in china when it still sponsoring chinese team, how many people in china is going to dish out $200 USD for a LN racquet?

If you live in China... Li Ning products is very expensive. On Par with Nike and Adidas. But still people does purchase Li Ning's products.

Li Ning does not worry if they can sell to their own people. Im sure the product can sell overseas other than China. And for China, even if its a $200 racket, i'm sure there are still people who is going to buy them in China. They have their own target market. And Li Ning does not survive on Badminton alone. Remember that they have other products to sell as well.

If the Li Ning rackets are an "improved" version of Kason or SOTX rackets, would that make them US$200 rackets? That is a tough sell when Yonex would be around the same price point. Branding can only carry you so far, but then I am not a marketing guy :)

Do look forward to ants' review, especially if they are indeed a high-end version of Kason or SOTX.

BTW, at Sudirman Cup, are the Chinese players really playing with these rackets? Or Yonex rackets with a Li Ning logo? :D:D

If the Li Ning rackets are an "improved" version of Kason or SOTX rackets, would that make them US$200 rackets? That is a tough sell when Yonex would be around the same price point. Branding can only carry you so far, but then I am not a marketing guy :)


If they are improved kason and SOTX high-end rackets, I would say Yonex is a tough sell :-)

Do look forward to ants' review, especially if they are indeed a high-end version of Kason or SOTX.


BTW, at Sudirman Cup, are the Chinese players really playing with these rackets? Or Yonex rackets with a Li Ning logo? :D:D

Uuuh thats a weird statemt.. Maybe Lee Chong Wei and Gade plays babolats, or SOTX rackets with Yonex logo??....

/Twobeer

Uuuh thats a weird statemt.. Maybe Lee Chong Wei and Gade plays babolats, or SOTX rackets with Yonex logo??....


The color of these rackets look so similar, so it is hard to tell what type of rackets they are, except the face logo. Just wondering, that is all! :D

Li Ning does not have their own R&D. Personally i believe they are using Kason's and some SOTX's know how and improve on in. I do agree that their stuffs is not for the faint hearted. But then I'm sure there are some people who valued their "Marketing" presence than the product itself. However it is worth a try and decide either to stick to Yonex or buy Li Ning for Brand purposes.

As Yonex has its R&D team and made great products over the years. They are proven over the years and it shows that Yonex have many followers from users to "copycats". Only when you are good... people would like to copy you or even make a look alike.

As for Li Ning, they are smart as they bought over companies whom have been in the badminton industry over the years. As Li Ning does not need to start all over. What they are doing now is to improve to be better when come to badminton equipment and make it their own. Like Carlton, Wilson, RSL , Babolat , Yonex ... Li Ning also want to be included in the Badminton Industry.

The badminton rackets ( high end ) would probably be available the the stores near you ( Singapore , Malaysia , Indonesia , HK ) around June.

Is it worth spending in Li Ning products? Its really up to the consumers who will have the feedback. Only the best last. And in the end you will decide if LiNing add if not enhance value in your sport lifestyle.

I would not say that Li Ning lacks R&D. I have heard that Li Ning experimented with about 6,000 racquet samples with all the Chinese players until the final versions actually exceeded their expectations.
Li Ning has a separate company based in Hong Kong, Li Ning Sports & Technology Development (HK) Company Ltd. It has already cooperated with professional organizations, universities in Hong Kong and overseas, and the dept. of sports & science & physical education of the Chinese University of Hong Kong.
It is given a budget that is 3% of Li Ning's total sales, which is perhaps a hundred times larger than Yonex's R&D costs.

there only sold as retail in china
but u can buy them online at bbe shop

It sure cost a lot at bbe shop ranging from 1500 RMB ~ 2000 RMB

whoaa... :eek: I'm not sure which buyer group is Li-Ning targeting by looking at the price range...

http://www.bbesports.com/wzgl/Product.asp?BigClassName=%D3%F0%C3%AB%C7%F2%C5%C4&Smallclassname=LINING%20%C0%EE%C4%FE%D3%F0%C3%AB%C 7%F2%C5%C4

It sure cost a lot at bbe shop ranging from 1500 RMB ~ 2000 RMB

any one noticed the MASSIVE Li Ning billboard outside of MBA Puchong?? Can be clearly seen from AJ shop... does that mean MBA sells LN??

Yes... I was looking at N33 and it cost like RMB 1680......I'm sticking with Yonex....

I believe there are many Chinese racquet manufacturers who can make very high quality racquets. If they can do it so can Li Ning.
I say this because I have been given a racquet from a small manufacturer who produces two flag ship racquets. I have been testing this one and comparing it against the old AT700, AT800DE, MP99. I thought I was imagining things when I find that this nondescript racquet is not only better but very much better. So I passed the AT700 and this new upstart to a few players to test and compare. Their conclusions were all the same.
The racquet has very explosive power and accuracy. Its length is 672mm, its weight is also light at 86.7g with strings and has a high b/p of 32.2cm although it doesn't feel as head-heavy as the AT700. My AT700 and AT800DE are at least 5g heavier and my MP99 a good 10g heavier, but all these are out-gunned by a wide margin by this upstart.
However, the racquet is very stiff, much stiffer than the AT700. It is also vibrationless. Players who cannot deal with very stiff racquets and who cannot get effortless power from say an AT700, however, can still get power from this racquet, although its extreme stiffness may be a put-off.

Pure luck, that nondescript racket was flawlessly made by fluke.

Pure luck, that nondescript racket was flawlessly made by fluke.

or maybe racket manufacturing isnt very high tech and all rackets are about the same anyway...

or maybe racket manufacturing isnt very high tech and all rackets are about the same anyway...

You are right about racquet manufacturing being low tech. In a way racquet manufacturers are professional bakers, not disimilar to bakers who bake your bread.
The high tech part is in the prepreg, a composite of graphite and nano epoxy resin, which is actually bought from specialist companies.
Oftentimes, the carbon graphite type used in the prepreg, say uhmg, is a poor shadow of its original tensile modulus and tensile strength because of different layer orientations. A 90 degree transverse flexure modulus is reduced to only about 6% to 8% vs its 0 degree transverse flexure modulus. The same with tensile strength.
That is why you do find a prepreg with hmg + nano resin that may have a higher tensile modulus than one with uhmg + nano resin. The AT700 has uhmg in its frame whereas the nondescript Chinese racquet I am talking about has only hmg + nano resin, but the latter is significantly more powerful and explosive. The reason may be that the latter's prepreg is manufactured in such a way that it has a better effective flexure and tensile strength modulus than the AT700's prepreg.
I will be in KL in November and December and will allow anyone there to test out this Chinese racquet against their AT900, AT700, ARC 10, NS9900, etc. The name of the racquet is Prison, Woven 660, a woven hmg + nano resin composite.

You are right about racquet manufacturing being low tech. In a way racquet manufacturers are professional bakers, not disimilar to bakers who bake your bread.
The high tech part is in the prepreg, a composite of graphite and nano epoxy resin, which is actually bought from specialist companies.
Oftentimes, the carbon graphite type used in the prepreg, say uhmg, is a poor shadow of its original tensile modulus and tensile strength because of different layer orientations. A 90 degree transverse flexure modulus is reduced to only about 6% to 8% vs its 0 degree transverse flexure modulus. The same with tensile strength.
That is why you do find a prepreg with hmg + nano resin that may have a higher tensile modulus than one with uhmg + nano resin. The AT700 has uhmg in its frame whereas the nondescript Chinese racquet I am talking about has only hmg + nano resin, but the latter is significantly more powerful and explosive. The reason may be that the latter's prepreg is manufactured in such a way that it has a better effective flexure and tensile strength modulus than the AT700's prepreg.
I will be in KL in November and December and will allow anyone there to test out this Chinese racquet against their AT900, AT700, ARC 10, NS9900, etc. The name of the racquet is Prison, Woven 660, a woven hmg + nano resin composite.

They are going to have to change their name for the English speaking market. Who is going to buy a racquet called, "Prison"?

Am I right on saying that Lin dan uses the LN N90 the equivelent of the at700?

It seems like you're right -- http://www.bbesports.com/wzgl/ProductShow.asp?ID=1166 -- check the bottom of the page =)

They should have just made the handle shorter in the Woods N90, as Lin Dan would wrap his towel grip halfway anyway. :D Then it would truly be a "custom" model. Will Li-Ning be selling half-lengths Lin Dan towel grips too? Sorry... can't help myself! Haha! :p

They should have just made the handle shorter in the Woods N90, as Lin Dan would wrap his towel grip halfway anyway. :D Then it would truly be a "custom" model. Will Li-Ning be selling half-lengths Lin Dan towel grips too? Sorry... can't help myself! Haha! :p

maybe they should add athletic tape too :D.

it's kinda weird for a player like Lin Dan which can have Li-Ning (previously yonex) to produce any specs he prefers but opt to add athletic tape and having that kind of grip..:confused:

maybe it gives him a 'unique' feels that can't be explain to the manufacturer...:D

maybe they should add athletic tape too :D.

it's kinda weird for a player like Lin Dan which can have Li-Ning (previously yonex) to produce any specs he prefers but opt to add athletic tape and having that kind of grip..:confused:

maybe it gives him a 'unique' feels that can't be explain to the manufacturer...:D

I believe the half grip only to make some alert if he move his grap too higher. A single player doesnt need to move grap higher like double player, lower is better for power....and some player like to add more feedback feel at the handle so they are open the basic grip and put towel or replacement grip directly to the wood handle.
About the athletic tape........it was a mystery hahahahahahaha we should ask LD for that matter ;) If he likes the high extreme BP then he should choose YY AT700 new or limited than his previous AT700 old colour, why he should add some tape in his racket will remain unsolved untill we can get a chance to ask him directly

Consider Team China gave everyone a whipping with a 21-0 record in the Sudirman Cup using Li Ning rackets. What did that tell us?

1. Li Ning rackets are really better than Yonex rackets.
2. Rackets don't matter. Only skills matter. Yonex has fooled us all these years.
3. Team China is so good that they can beat anyone, even with cheap rackets.
4. All rackets are created equal

:D:D:D

^
I choose no 2 :D

I vote 2 & 3. It interesting if we can put no.3 on test...

Consider Team China gave everyone a whipping with a 21-0 record in the Sudirman Cup using Li Ning rackets. What did that tell us?

1. Li Ning rackets are really better than Yonex rackets.
2. Rackets don't matter. Only skills matter. Yonex has fooled us all these years.
3. Team China is so good that they can beat anyone, even with cheap rackets.
4. All rackets are created equal

:D:D:D

i will go for no. 4. :D

Consider Team China gave everyone a whipping with a 21-0 record in the Sudirman Cup using Li Ning rackets. What did that tell us?

1. Li Ning rackets are really better than Yonex rackets.
2. Rackets don't matter. Only skills matter. Yonex has fooled us all these years.
3. Team China is so good that they can beat anyone, even with cheap rackets.
4. All rackets are created equal

:D:D:D

No. 2 and 3 for sure .......

Consider Team China gave everyone a whipping with a 21-0 record in the Sudirman Cup using Li Ning rackets. What did that tell us?

1. Li Ning rackets are really better than Yonex rackets.
2. Rackets don't matter. Only skills matter. Yonex has fooled us all these years.
3. Team China is so good that they can beat anyone, even with cheap rackets.
4. All rackets are created equal

:D:D:D

Gosh, its obvious what the answer is. or at least what they want you to assume.

When 2 players are in same level of skills, like LD and LCW, racket does matter. Should LD was using a low end racket to play with LCW, I dont think he can beat LCW.

So, I would say, Li Ning rackets are at same par with Yonex. Otherwise, LD wouldnt beat all the world's best MS players easily!

Consider Team China gave everyone a whipping with a 21-0 record in the Sudirman Cup using Li Ning rackets. What did that tell us?

1. Li Ning rackets are really better than Yonex rackets.
2. Rackets don't matter. Only skills matter. Yonex has fooled us all these years.
3. Team China is so good that they can beat anyone, even with cheap rackets.
4. All rackets are created equal

:D:D:Di don't buy your #4.

Consider Team China gave everyone a whipping with a 21-0 record in the Sudirman Cup using Li Ning rackets. What did that tell us?

1. Li Ning rackets are really better than Yonex rackets.
2. Rackets don't matter. Only skills matter. Yonex has fooled us all these years.
3. Team China is so good that they can beat anyone, even with cheap rackets.
4. All rackets are created equal

:D:D:D

Agrees partially with 2 & 3. Doubts with 1 and disagrees with 4.

According to the BBEsports page: Cai yun racket: cost RMB 1680
Lin dan racket cost RMB 1980
Chen Jin racket cost RMB 1780
Bao chun lai racket cost RMB 1680
Fu hai feng racket cost RMB 1780

I believe now market not doing that well, as people are cutting cost.. Yonex rackets such as Nanospeed 9000 cost RMB 1150, AT power cost RMB $1200.

Comparing prices, and people tightening their pockets, i believe more people will rather stick to other brands of rackets such as pro ace, apacs or even RSL.

If Li ning continue to price themselves above Yonex rackets, its going to be very difficult for people to buy their products.

Ya, but there's membership price, if I remember correctly I was checking them out and i think they are around $1300-1400...

Ya, but there's membership price, if I remember correctly I was checking them out and i think they are around $1300-1400...

Yes, bbeshop has membership discount. But after discount, the price is still high compared with Yonex.

well, apparently the only thing stopping the reviews is the prices. I wonder, when are they going to release in North America. It would probably a slugfest between Yonex and Li-ning here, if they tried to take over the market, seeing as most places are yonex dealers.

I wonder can we compare this scenario with what happening in table tennis. China TT team are very dominant and also playing with chinese made equipment, but the problem is the one that they sell commercially is different from the one that the national team uses. Even the price from japanese/ european made rubber/blade is much more expenisive, I find out that serious player still willing to pay for it. In other word the price of the japanese/european made TT equipment still remain the same.


Now, would the Li Ning racket they sell are the same that their national player use... :confused:.

In TT, there are National-grade, Provincial-grade and commercial-grade equipment.

In TT, there are National-grade, Provincial-grade and commercial-grade equipment.


Are the National-grade available for everyone to buy ? from what I heard its only dedicated to the National team. And if someone claim they have the national-grade, there's still possibilities that it might not be the real one.:confused:

I wonder can we compare this scenario with what happening in table tennis. China TT team are very dominant and also playing with chinese made equipment, but the problem is the one that they sell commercially is different from the one that the national team uses. Even the price from japanese/ european made rubber/blade is much more expenisive, I find out that serious player still willing to pay for it. In other word the price of the japanese/european made TT equipment still remain the same.


Now, would the Li Ning racket they sell are the same that their national player use... :confused:.

Li Ning states the rackets that the public buys(the national team player series) are the same ones that the players themselves use, but of course, using the LD racket won't make you LD without the proper skillsets :crying:

Are the National-grade available for everyone to buy ? from what I heard its only dedicated to the National team. And if someone claim they have the national-grade, there's still possibilities that it might not be the real one.:confused:

if LD has one specially made, he won't need the white tape for the extra head weight.

title said "Li Ning Racket Reviews"
till now, 3 pages, maybe i miss something, no member posting their real play review. :(

title said "Li Ning Racket Reviews"
till now, 3 pages, maybe i miss something, no member posting their real play review. :(
no one here could afford one:D

Bought one, waiting for it to arrive :p

Better get a REAL review REAL fast....Because I'm itching to get the Cai Yun one (N33)....

Better get a REAL review REAL fast....Because I'm itching to get the Cai Yun one (N33)....

I thought about getting the N33 because of the color scheme, but in the end got the BCL N70... Hopefully will arrive in a week or so....

Bro Jasonvan : where u buy the N70 racket from ?> thanks!

Bought it online, bbesports and bbeshop both carry it....

ferrerkiko I thought u were getting the n90 like LD:D

LD rules, i think i will wait for Lin dan racket to drop price then buy.. still can use the new color of yonex armotec 700, usable!

Better get a REAL review REAL fast....Because I'm itching to get the Cai Yun one (N33)....

Cai Yun is not using N33 (white color), but the one which is designed for him is blue color .... (forget the name).

I just swing (without string) all the Li Ning hi-end product today during MILO Cup in Indonesia, because the owner of Sport Hall has all the high-end end of Li Ning rackets.
Let me post pictures of racquets later ...

I have played using the N33 (Wang Lin, white color), and to me it is a even-balance racquet.
You need a time to master it before you get the feel.
Most people who tried this N33 has similar opinion that you need time, but when you get the feeling, only one word "enak" means "good".

Here are the pictures which I took over the weekend during the MILO Cup at Pekanbaru Indonesia :

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9846/p5310007b.jpg

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2228/p5310010b.jpg

and the shop owner's child holding Li Ning racquets (N90 and N33) :
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/9351/p5310008b.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6184/p5310009b.jpg

wow, those look. nice-ish.
maybe yonex has more experience with these things.
though i admit, the rocks N-? looks quite nice.

Now i wonder why Li ning is already in Indonesia, and why not selling in Singapore shop,, isnt Singapore a more advance country than Indonesia in term of fashion and sports? :confused:

Singapore's market too small. How to beat Indonesia? And, which country is stronger in badminton arena?

I think Yonex rackets look alot nicer than LN rackets!

So bro chaijk: How much is Li ning lin dan's N90 racket cost in indonesia?
(http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=3035)

Singapore's market too small. How to beat Indonesia? And, which country is stronger in badminton arena?

Now i wonder why Li ning is already in Indonesia, and why not selling in Singapore shop,, isnt Singapore a more advance country than Indonesia in term of fashion and sports? :confused:

chaijk is right. badminton is a huge sport in Indonesia. there are various badminton brands in indonesia which are not available in singapore eg. flypower, astec etc

Li Ning is not available in Indonesia officially till July 2009 according to one source, and Singapore may get it first during Singapore Open 2009 Super Series next week.

These high-ends Li Ning were purchased before Sudirman Cup 2009 directly from Li Ning :D

The rackets are really waaaaaaay over price...
They can buy rackets from Yonex (or Victor) and paint the logo on and still make a fortune!

Just look at the "swim suit" they sponsor the Chinese badminton team at
the S Cup....
They are selling them @ BBe Sport for RMB799!! (SWEAT Shirt only)

We should know that badminton racquet prices are sponsor-driven. That was how Yonex came up from a nobody many years ago. Now it is Li Ning's turn. Of course Li Ning's racquets must be the most expensive in the world, for after all China is the strongest team in the world, by a wide margin.
It will be a matter of time before Victor racquets will sell at prices higher than Yonex's.

check this out,
http://intl.li-ning.com/badminton/
li ning is using new terminology for weight and size, sucks.

Li Ning is not available in Indonesia officially till July 2009 according to one source, and Singapore may get it first during Singapore Open 2009 Super Series next week.

These high-ends Li Ning were purchased before Sudirman Cup 2009 directly from Li Ning :D

start selling in july..? who is the distributor for indonesia?

Got my N70 this morning, posted some pics of it under the racket pics... Probably won't have a chance to try it til next week :crying: Initial thoughts, the paint finish is quite smooth, I have NS9900 and ARC 10 but I must say in terms of smoothness of the paint finish, the N70 takes the cake... Will probably have some more feedback after I try it, right now thinking whether i need to restring it or not due to miscommunication with the shop in china(they strung my racket instead of putting the pack of strings in :eek:)

Bro Jasonvan : Now u re my hero, u must have spend a bomb to buy Li ning N70,, where u buy and how much u bought it ??:confused:

Cost me around $260 including shipping.... (Canadian)

Bro Jasonvan: where u bought the racket, is it singapore dollar 260 ?

Bro Jasonvan: where u bought the racket, is it singapore dollar 260 ?
He mentionned already that it's in Canadian dollars..

Had a chance to play with my n70 yesterday and a person I've never played with clashed it both of us reaching for a drop but I was the gu in front.... now there's small paint chip grrrr.... :crying: Anyways, on to the review, racket feels a bit like my Arc 10, clears are relatively easy, I did find that there's a bit more power when I hit the sweet spot, feels a little bit head heavy but not much, drops are very very good and control is excellent on this racket, I'm not a very good smasher so I can't really comment much on the smash itself but judging from how my clears and drops are I would think it should be decent at smashes. My arms did feel tired after playing but I don't know if it's due to the racket or due to me playing hockey right before badminton :eek:

Kinda random but, LN is a official sponsor for Singapore National team now.

Kinda random but, LN is a official sponsor for Singapore National team now.

Sg must be very lucky to sponsor by a overprice brand:D:D they might feel happy they r the 2nd country being sponsor by LN after China Team...

Sg must be very lucky to sponsor by a overprice brand:D:D they might feel happy they r the 2nd country being sponsor by LN after China Team...
Hong Kong players (like Yan Kit Chan) are using Li Ning.
Not all Singapore players are using Li Ning.
(For instance, Xing Ai Ying is using Yonex.)
In yesterday's match, one player was using a Yonex AT-700 with a Li Ning logo stencilled on the strings :o

In yesterday's match, one player was using a Yonex AT-700 with a Li Ning logo stenciled on the strings :o

I believe that Kenneth Jonassen did the same thing
however, he was sponsored by Prokennex at the time

So brothers here, who is the player using armotec 700 with Li ning logo on it ?

IMHO, LI NING at the moment is nothing more than a yonex clone manufacturer but charging branded prices for their rackets. Too much of a rip off..... dun u think? :rolleyes:

How is it a clone manufacturer when they're branded as different racquets, play differently, are named differently, and are completely unrelated? Just cuz somebody relates a racquet to feeling like ARC10 doesnt' mean it's a clone.

Hong Kong players (like Yan Kit Chan) are using Li Ning.
Not all Singapore players are using Li Ning.
(For instance, Xing Ai Ying is using Yonex.)
In yesterday's match, one player was using a Yonex AT-700 with a Li Ning logo stencilled on the strings :o

So brothers here, who is the player using armotec 700 with Li ning logo on it ?
This was the taller player in the Singapore MD duo of Tang and Yi.
I'm not familiar with their names but I think the taller chap is Liu Yi.

IMHO, LI NING at the moment is nothing more than a yonex clone manufacturer but charging branded prices for their rackets. Too much of a rip off..... dun u think? :rolleyes:

I don't think so. China can make better badminton racquets than Yonex if they want to. As a matter of fact I was given a racquet from an unknown Chinese brand/manufacturer that surprised me. It was so much more powerful than my original AT-700 (the version Lin Dan used when winning the Beijing Olympics) that I was convinced enough to quickly sell my AT-700 at HK$700 with new strings. It is not only a more powerful racquet it was better made with better finish. But it is not cheap, considering that it was made by a comapny I have never heard of. It sells at HK$1,000, but I suspect can fetch for HK$2,000 if it wears the Li Ning name. But very few Chinese racquet manufacturers want to make such high quality racquets because they depend on massive volumes to make money, and that means producing and selling afforadable racquets.
Li Ning can get away with both high end and low end racquets simply because of their new found sponsoring role. After all 50 years ago nobody would touch a Yonex racquet then because it was considered junk. But Yonex discovered the wonders that sponsoring can bring.
I have often repeated many times that racquet manufacturers are low-tech industries. They are similar to bakers who bake breads. The really high-tech is in the materials that racquet manufacturers buy from prepreg carbon fiber specialists.

I have often repeated many times that racquet manufacturers are low-tech industries. They are similar to bakers who bake breads. The really high-tech is in the materials that racquet manufacturers buy from prepreg carbon fiber specialists.

What you say is right about racquet being made by baking.
http://shuttle-house.com/page_top_ENGLISH/New_Infomation/Racket_Factory.html
he he:D.

I'm pretty sure some material scientist from Tsinghua/Fudan are able to come out with cutting edge technology even if the tech is homegrown. Or even the University of Hong Kong (because of Jus sanguinis)

However, one thing that I don't like is the lack of ethics in China, like blatant copying/reverse engineering. But given its own R&D expenditure, surely they must protect their own intellectual properties at some point. Maybe Li Ning is recouping its R&D expenditure, but I suspect it's more of a marketing strategy.

I wouldn't call LN rackets clones of Yonex, even though my N70 feels kinda like an Arc 10, it is still different from it, would you call all even balance rackets from other brands clones of Arc Saber or Muscle Power series? Or head heavy rackets clones of Armortech series? In the end, if one finds a racket they like, just play with it be it Yonex, LN, or an unknown brand....

i thought WL uses a N55?

I have the Li Ning WOODS N90, and the stiffness on the racquet is not as stiff as the YONEX ARMORTEC 700 that Lin Dan was using before. The shaft is pretty flexible... and with minimal wrist power, it gives a lot of power towards to shuttle. My friend personally got it for his store to display in the GTA area, and surely it is quite costy... i bought the racquet for $350cdn (including Nanogy 98 strings, strung)... I can say that this racquet is pretty durable as well.... because the racquet has hit the wall several times because my friend's condo badminton court is not the regular courts... it's a bit smaller than the regular courts, so hitting it to the sidelines is closer the wall and stuff... so sometimes what happen is that the paint from the racquet comes off.. without seeing any damage to the racquet. I heard my friend saying that this racquet was produced for Lin Dan esp. for the Suriman cup this year... and some people were eager to find it in Hong Kong, and some in China aren't able to get one coz it's pretty much limited by the numbers they have made. Upon purchasing the racquet... it comes with a pretty fancy bag that lin dan is using for the Suriman cup.... but the bag is the smaller size than the one he use... the most racquets you can fit in the bag is around 2, along with a tube of shuttles and that's about it... no room for shoes or clothing that you might want to bring to the court with you.. so the bag is pretty much a souvenir.

Even though the pricing is a bit costy, but you know if you can get the hang of a limited racquet, it's pretty much worth the investment (unless you aren't able to handle it... some people can play well with it, and some people can't.. depending on you skill levels and techniques).

For those who are planning on getting this racquet... Good Luck finding one... i heard that finding the other ones are easy, but the Lin Dan one is esp. hard.. don't really know why.. that's what the boss at the racquet shop said to me. Aside from selling Li Ning products (which not too much)... he sells Yonex (badminton), Tactic (badminton), Butterfly (Table Tennis), and Tennis racquets as well as well. If interested, please visit the location below:


JJ SPORTS SPECIALIST
NEW CENTURY PLAZA (WARDEN & STEELES)
398 FERRIER ST, UNIT 139, MARKHAM, ON

The boss speaks mandarin and cantonese.

Best Regards,
Alan

I I can say that this racquet is pretty durable as well.... because the racquet has hit the wall several times because my friend's condo badminton court is not the regular courts... it's a bit smaller than the regular courts, so hitting it to the sidelines is closer the wall and stuff... so sometimes what happen is that the paint from the racquet comes off.. without seeing any damage to the racquet.

Even though the pricing is a bit costy,



you might want to take some care with that racket. seeing how limited it is to get......

i find it interesting that you find it flexible. i assumed that his specific racket would be stiff- extra stiff.

you might want to take some care with that racket. seeing how limited it is to get......

i find it interesting that you find it flexible. i assumed that his specific racket would be stiff- extra stiff.

Yeah i should take extra care of it.. i mean more extra care. As it is my primary racquet that i am using at the moment. Aside i have a MP100 which is also discontinued as well.. so either racquet breaking will be a pain in the ass.. hahaha... =P

But i know sometimes it's unavoidable when people hit it more to the wall side when the court is small... and it's also unavoidable when you play with players that always want to hit everything and run around, but i'll watch around.

I have the Li Ning WOODS N90, and the stiffness on the racquet is not as stiff as the YONEX ARMORTEC 700 that Lin Dan was using before. The shaft is pretty flexible... and with minimal wrist power, it gives a lot of power towards to shuttle. My friend personally got it for his store to display in the GTA area, and surely it is quite costy... i bought the racquet for $350cdn (including Nanogy 98 strings, strung)... I can say that this racquet is pretty durable as well.... because the racquet has hit the wall several times because my friend's condo badminton court is not the regular courts... it's a bit smaller than the regular courts, so hitting it to the sidelines is closer the wall and stuff... so sometimes what happen is that the paint from the racquet comes off.. without seeing any damage to the racquet. I heard my friend saying that this racquet was produced for Lin Dan esp. for the Suriman cup this year... and some people were eager to find it in Hong Kong, and some in China aren't able to get one coz it's pretty much limited by the numbers they have made.

Even though the pricing is a bit costy, but you know if you can get the hang of a limited racquet, it's pretty much worth the investment (unless you aren't able to handle it... some people can play well with it, and some people can't.. depending on you skill levels and techniques).


Best Regards,
Alan

how about the head heaviness, same as at700 or at700 ltd?
i didn't thot N90 was to be limited edition.

is the condo court wall concrete? painted?

350$, i almost pee'ed my pants:D
do u get weekly allowances?

I have the Li Ning WOODS N90, and the stiffness on the racquet is not as stiff as the YONEX ARMORTEC 700 that Lin Dan was using before. The shaft is pretty flexible... and with minimal wrist power, it gives a lot of power towards to shuttle. My friend personally got it for his store to display in the GTA area, and surely it is quite costy... i bought the racquet for $350cdn (including Nanogy 98 strings, strung)... I can say that this racquet is pretty durable as well.... because the racquet has hit the wall several times because my friend's condo badminton court is not the regular courts... it's a bit smaller than the regular courts, so hitting it to the sidelines is closer the wall and stuff... so sometimes what happen is that the paint from the racquet comes off.. without seeing any damage to the racquet. I heard my friend saying that this racquet was produced for Lin Dan esp. for the Suriman cup this year... and some people were eager to find it in Hong Kong, and some in China aren't able to get one coz it's pretty much limited by the numbers they have made. Upon purchasing the racquet... it comes with a pretty fancy bag that lin dan is using for the Suriman cup.... but the bag is the smaller size than the one he use... the most racquets you can fit in the bag is around 2, along with a tube of shuttles and that's about it... no room for shoes or clothing that you might want to bring to the court with you.. so the bag is pretty much a souvenir.

Even though the pricing is a bit costy, but you know if you can get the hang of a limited racquet, it's pretty much worth the investment (unless you aren't able to handle it... some people can play well with it, and some people can't.. depending on you skill levels and techniques).

For those who are planning on getting this racquet... Good Luck finding one... i heard that finding the other ones are easy, but the Lin Dan one is esp. hard.. don't really know why.. that's what the boss at the racquet shop said to me. Aside from selling Li Ning products (which not too much)... he sells Yonex (badminton), Tactic (badminton), Butterfly (Table Tennis), and Tennis racquets as well as well. If interested, please visit the location below:


JJ SPORTS SPECIALIST
NEW CENTURY PLAZA (WARDEN & STEELES)
398 FERRIER ST, UNIT 139, MARKHAM, ON

The boss speaks mandarin and cantonese.

Best Regards,
Alan

in sg N90 is not limited as Li Ning set up a counter at sg opens and selling all the model... and they soon going to open a shop in sg... but sure N90 is the most expensive racket that cost SGD $489...

how about the head heaviness, same as at700 or at700 ltd?
i didn't thot N90 was to be limited edition.

is the condo court wall concrete? painted?

350$, i almost pee'ed my pants:D
do u get weekly allowances?

The N90 racquet is pretty head heavy, but not as heavy as the AT700 in my own opinion... i find it less head heavy. From what i know that, the N90 is limited is because there aren't many of them made. Secondly, the condo court walls are concrete, damn... yeah one hit on the wall will cause paint to come off the racquet, but not bad enough to damage it though ...well, it all depends on the force hit against the wall, so i watch carefully before i hit, but sometimes just too close that you wouldn't know after you swing.

Yes i do get weekly allowance, but the $350 didn't all came from my allowance. I actually sold like 3 of my Yonex racquets to cover the cost. I had a 2nd gen Ti10 sold for 100, MP99 for 80, and also 120 from my Tactic ArcStriker10 (clone of Yonex ArcSaber 10)... and all i had to do is add $50 bucks to the bill to cover all the expense. Having N90 as the primary is already enough... coz i can tell you if you get the hang of the AT700 meaning you can handle it.. i'm pretty sure N90 is no problem... but you'll eventually love it more coz it's more controllable, and more power as compared to the AT700.

in sg N90 is not limited as Li Ning set up a counter at sg opens and selling all the model... and they soon going to open a shop in sg... but sure N90 is the most expensive racket that cost SGD $489...

I am not sure about singapore, but one of the friends of the boss that i usually go to string up my racquets/where i buy my racquets in toronto, said that his friend went to find the racquet in Hong Kong but had no luck finding one... i'm just thinking he/she is not searching hard enough... well some people just tend to give up searching .... but as you know that Li Ning is not made for the international market yet (well at least not in canada yet)... so finding one here in Toronto is pretty much a hassle unless you know somebody from China where you can see if they can get one from there.

wow, you paid a premium for the N90, as it's basically $30CDN more than the N70, well.... less than $30 with discount... I would've thought it's super stiff which is why I stayed away from buying the N90... But you should be careful with it, wouldn't want it to break... I cringed when another player hit my N70... But have fun with it! Maybe I should try collecting the other rackets... :p

i wonder if anyone has purchased the Rocks N33. it looks quite amazing. the white and blue look perfect together.

i wonder if anyone has purchased the Rocks N33. it looks quite amazing. the white and blue look perfect together.

Agree. But doesn't it remind you of AT600? Hmm....

Agree. But doesn't it remind you of AT600? Hmm....

enough, but not really. i just want to know if its even/ slightly head heavy, and if is maneuverable. supposedly its cai yun specific, so yeah.

enough, but not really. i just want to know if its even/ slightly head heavy, and if is maneuverable. supposedly its cai yun specific, so yeah.

My mistake. I was think about N77. Haha...:D

But from the advertisement photo. Cai Yun isn't hold the N33....

My mistake. I was think about N77. Haha...:D

But from the advertisement photo. Cai Yun isn't hold the N33....

further to that (and perhaps slightly off topic...?), Li Ning seems to be a little inconsistent with advertising who is using what racket. Cai Yun doesn't look like he's holding a stock N33 (i can't remember where i saw it, but i remember i've seen what you're talking about before Gemcat). now if you look at this thread: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71370 of the pics of the Li Ning booth at the Singapore Open, in the 2nd/3rd pictures from the top Bao Chunlai and Du Jing/Yu Yang on the posters seem to be holding the wrong rackets - in fact by their colours, BCL is holding the racket that was meant for DJ/YY (blue Storm N77) and vice versa for BCL's racket (red Storm N70). this is also apparent on the official Li Ning website: http://intl.li-ning.com/badminton/. check BCL's match photo though (about a third of the page down at http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71368&page=5 -> thanks to Sealman for that) and it clearly shows him using his red Storm N70.

:confused: confusing...? i think so.


PS. just looking at the Li Ning website again, Cai Yun's racket is indeed white/silver, but the one he holds on the same page as the racket made for him (the Rocks N33) has tinges of red in it.

To be honest, I am really keen to try out their rackets and attire...
However, S$489 is quite a bit to pay for a racket, even if its their top-end one... top end Yonex made in JP (lets forget whether its better or not) where costs are higher etc...
If Li-ning rackets are made in China, then I would be keen to understand what accounts for the additional costs. Top end Kason never costed more than $150 in my memory..

The clothing also quite pricey - some t-shirts/shorts at S$89. That's more expensive than most nike/addidas stuff (with Dri-fit/climate etc.) ...

My view is that they want to come in a big aggressive way and stun the world - which is quite good and successful. Look how people are interested in them, but the pricing will kill them...

At less than $300 we see clones of YY rackets... it would be interesting to see clone/fake Li-ning rackets...:cool:

For those in Singapore, you can visit Mustafa, level B2 where their sports section is. I saw they have the full range of li ning products there. Rackets, shuttlecock, grips. But too bad, all the li ning rackets are tagged with the plastic security card, so the actual feel of the rackets are not accurate. Not cheap though, the price i saw is around S$259.

For those in Singapore, you can visit Mustafa, level B2 where their sports section is. I saw they have the full range of li ning products there. Rackets, shuttlecock, grips. But too bad, all the li ning rackets are tagged with the plastic security card, so the actual feel of the rackets are not accurate. Not cheap though, the price i saw is around S$259.

full range? i tot at there only selling li ning low to mid end racket only... they still dun hav their high end or N series model over there yet...

Mustafa does not have the full range Li-Ning rackets yet.

full range? i tot at there only selling li ning low to mid end racket only... they still dun hav their high end or N series model over there yet...

oic. the N is their high end series. I din really go thru all the rackets there but found that they are quite prominent as they in brand-new red colour.haha.:D

I do agree with some of the views on the web regarding the prices of Li Ning badminton products. But on the other hand I must admit their products are bringing badminton to different level. I bought two t-shirts, one short, one pair of shoe and two rkts from Avivia open booth, last week and used the equipments last week end. I manage to get N-90, I was playing with Yonex AT 700 and Nano 9000, I was really surprised with the feel of N-90, Its really much much better than Yonex rkts, more smashing power may be shaft is not as stiff as Yonex rkts, and the rkt seems to be well balanced and game become more enjoyable. Drops were controlable and even clear was excellent. Over all I can say N-90 was the best rkt I have ever played, Same thing was with the shoe. I am basically a yy fan and first time realised that some one else can really create products better than YY. I hope they continue the good work and bring badminton to different level. Even for the badminton players its good to have some one like Li Ning in badminton market to compete with Yonex and top class players will earn more money from the sponsor ships and will able to retire good life, similar to top class Tennis players. The second rkt I bought was their lower end model Ultra Carbon UC 2200B, Let me honestly tell you even this rkt is compare able to any of Yonex top end rkts. Well done Li Ning. If possible do something to your prices, they seems to be a bit on higher side. I fully understand that good product cost more but we badminton players want to use it, We also need to afford ......... Li Ning. Anyway well done. First time in any super series tournament world wide, Yonex player didnt win even one of the five titles. Is'nt its great with in one month of introduction in the market. Wish Li Ning good luck.

For those in Singapore, you can visit Mustafa, level B2 where their sports section is. I saw they have the full range of li ning products there. Rackets, shuttlecock, grips. But too bad, all the li ning rackets are tagged with the plastic security card, so the actual feel of the rackets are not accurate. Not cheap though, the price i saw is around S$259.

WOS also has Lining products but again none of the high end rackets; just saw it today when I made a trip to WOS Toa Payoh. Also saw Lining shuttle (practice grade; duck feather) for about $26 ( if I remember correctly)

I do agree with some of the views on the web regarding the prices of Li Ning badminton products. But on the other hand I must admit their products are bringing badminton to different level. I bought two t-shirts, one short, one pair of shoe and two rkts from Avivia open booth, last week and used the equipments last week end. I manage to get N-90, I was playing with Yonex AT 700 and Nano 9000, I was really surprised with the feel of N-90, Its really much much better than Yonex rkts, more smashing power may be shaft is not as stiff as Yonex rkts, and the rkt seems to be well balanced and game become more enjoyable. Drops were controlable and even clear was excellent. Over all I can say N-90 was the best rkt I have ever played, Same thing was with the shoe. I am basically a yy fan and first time realised that some one else can really create products better than YY. I hope they continue the good work and bring badminton to different level. Even for the badminton players its good to have some one like Li Ning in badminton market to compete with Yonex and top class players will earn more money from the sponsor ships and will able to retire good life, similar to top class Tennis players. The second rkt I bought was their lower end model Ultra Carbon UC 2200B, Let me honestly tell you even this rkt is compare able to any of Yonex top end rkts. Well done Li Ning. If possible do something to your prices, they seems to be a bit on higher side. I fully understand that good product cost more but we badminton players want to use it, We also need to afford ......... Li Ning. Anyway well done. First time in any super series tournament world wide, Yonex player didnt win even one of the five titles. Is'nt its great with in one month of introduction in the market. Wish Li Ning good luck.

Hmm...sounds pretty biased; the players who won ie Chinese players were only recently sponsored by Yonex which had been pumping in money for their training previously; Lining merely "grabbed" the Chinese players ie the fininshed end products, get them to use its rackets (maybe with better sponsorship deals or all in the name of nationalism?) and so, win this "Racket Brand A vs Racket Brand B" competition. ;)

It is all about talent and hardwork on the part of the coaches and players....the name comes in only if for example, players who train under the "yonex technique" get beaten by players who train under the "Linging technique"; wielding a Lining racket and beating the crap out of someone who is using a yonex racket does not make Lining rackets superioir to yonex:)

I agree with your opinion that its not the Rkts what matter most, its the class of player what matters. You could see this time so many players were using Victor, Head, Carlton, FZ and Gosen also. What does it mean? Yonex rkts are also similar to other brands and player's capability matters most? One more thing we must remember, Yonex is the strongest in badminton and no one have challanged them before and players were scared to change the equipments but slowly they have realised that Its not so difficult to have similar or better feeling rkts from other brands? or Other brands have come out new Technology....? What ever is the truth, I think it will be better for game of badminton as a whole... before that Yonex have monoplised for too long and if you see the living standards of previous badminton champions compare to other games, I really feel sorry for them.

I agree with your opinion that its not the Rkts what matter most, its the class of player what matters. You could see this time so many players were using Victor, Head, Carlton, FZ and Gosen also. What does it mean? Yonex rkts are also similar to other brands and player's capability matters most? One more thing we must remember, Yonex is the strongest in badminton and no one have challanged them before and players were scared to change the equipments but slowly they have realised that Its not so difficult to have similar or better feeling rkts from other brands? or Other brands have come out new Technology....? What ever is the truth, I think it will be better for game of badminton as a whole... before that Yonex have monoplised for too long and if you see the living standards of previous badminton champions compare to other games, I really feel sorry for them.

I like the idea that yonex may not be able to monopolise the badminton market like before; in fact for the good of the sport, I dont think there should only be one dominant brand; however, I suspect the poor living standards of previous players you alluded to were more than monopoly by Yonex.... I think it is mainly somehow, badminton as a sport is not as widely embraced as other sports eg tennis, golf, etc as in developed countries like UK, US, European countries; you need consumers with high spending power to buy badminton products, revenue from TV broadcast rights etc to spur the development of badminton.

Oops, just realised my previous threads are a bit off topic...got carried away...sorry guys!!:D:D

I like the idea that yonex may not be able to monopolise the badminton market like before; in fact for the good of the sport, I dont think there should only be one dominant brand; however, I suspect the poor living standards of previous players you alluded to were more than monopoly by Yonex.... I think it is mainly somehow, badminton as a sport is not as widely embraced as other sports eg tennis, golf, etc as in developed countries like UK, US, European countries; you need consumers with high spending power to buy badminton products, revenue from TV broadcast rights etc to spur the development of badminton.

I understand what you are saying, But most important point what I want to make is, Now atleast top 100 ranked players will have reasonable market value and will have choice. Even for all the main suppliers, they will have to compete for market cake. Let the fittest survive and as a consumer we will get out of competition, both price and quality and who ever wants to be there on top will have to work harder. You can see in Tennis the development is much faster and better, because of competition. Lets see what happens in next two to three years.

Guo Zhendong still use an ArcSaber10 with a Li Ning logo stencilled on the strings...

Guo Zhendong still use an ArcSaber10 with a Li Ning logo stencilled on the strings...

you sure? that does not have the inner white rim of an arc10... it could be like an N77 or whatever the FU hai feng specific racket is.

Guo Zhendong still use an ArcSaber10 with a Li Ning logo stencilled on the strings...

hmm i think that is not a arc 10... if u see the frame white colour line there's a word li ning in the middle... it shld be one of the N serise...

Guo Zhendong still use an ArcSaber10 with a Li Ning logo stencilled on the strings...

That's the N50.
http://www.bbesports.com/wzgl/UploadFiles/2009422151931556.jpg
http://www.bbesports.com/wzgl/UploadFiles/200942518955280.jpg

@tinned_ham: Cai Yun is holding the the N70 in his N33 advertisement. :D

you sure? that does not have the inner white rim of an arc10... it could be like an N77 or whatever the FU hai feng specific racket is.

hmm i think that is not a arc 10... if u see the frame white colour line there's a word li ning in the middle... it shld be one of the N serise...

you guys are correct. very observant indeed. :)

I bought the Li Ning Woods N90 this morning.
Just received it now... freshly strung with BG-80.

Can't wait to have a few full games with it.
I hope it plays true to all those big claims :o

I bought the Li Ning Woods N90 this morning.
Just received it now... freshly strung with BG-80.

Can't wait to have a few full games with it.
I hope it plays true to all those big claims :o

nice... how much u bought it? thru online?

I bought the Li Ning Woods N90 this morning.
Just received it now... freshly strung with BG-80.

Can't wait to have a few full games with it.
I hope it plays true to all those big claims :o

Now you are tempting me to go for the Sat's game :p:p. I foresee a long line of SPBs...

I wonder when will the Li ning clones be released? :D

Now you are tempting me to go for the Sat's game :p:p. I foresee a long line of SPBs...

Yeah..... Now I'm seriously considering going to the session as well.:D:p;)

I wonder when will the Li ning clones be released? :D
Ask Apacs expert here:D

any Li Ning stores in Malaysia in Selangor?

any Li Ning stores in Malaysia in Selangor?
For now, there's none yet i think.

Now you are tempting me to go for the Sat's game :p:p. I foresee a long line of SPBs...

Yeah..... Now I'm seriously considering going to the session as well.:D:p;)
SPBs... hahahaha :D

You are welcome to play with it.
It's truly a very well made racquet :)

Last Sunday, I had a go with the Li Ning Woods N90 for a few minutes.
It felt good... it felt similar if not better than the Yonex Armortec 700.

From a pre-release consignment, I bought the racquet earlier today.
And this evening, I clocked a few hours with it against some good players.

And, by Lin Dan, the Woods N90 is truly impressive!

First things first:

It cost me SGD 440 (the sticker on the grip says SGD 489).

It came with a single compartment Li Ning racquet bag.
The bag is red on one side and black & silver on the other.
It can hold up to 5 racquets and also has a narrow zipped pouch on the silver side. (Apologies for not posting any pictures but this happens to be an extremely busy week for me :()

Although this bag is exclusive to the N90, it isn't a great bag at all.
Simply put, it won't hold much apart from your racquets and wallet.

The discounted price also includes string and stringing.
I had it strung with Yonex BG-80 at 31 pounds. (It was strung by the chap who manned the Li Ning booth at the 2009 Singapore Open.)
I had asked for the Li Ning logo to be stencilled on the (white) string.
Well, someone goofed up... they forgot the logo and also used yellow string!

As I mentioned elsewhere, it is markedly similar to the AT-700 when you pick it up and hit a few test shots or warming-up shots. It feels pleasantly heavy and also tells you that you have something strong and solid in your hand. But the similarity with the AT-700 ends when a fast game begins.

In the beginning, almost every shot will go out until your arm gets used to the new toy in your hands. But once you realise that you can do well enough with a much shorter swing, the accuracy comes into play. The shuttle still threatens to go out but it's a pleasure to see the opponent's dismay when it lands within the back box :D

The 'sweetspot' appears to be larger than in the Yonex isometric models.
The lower part of the stringbed feels quite dead when you forward-slice the shuttle but further up the head, the stringbed is as alive as can be.

I don't know how well this racquet is suited to delicate touch play because the games tonight were all fast and furious. But if Lin Dan's recent prowess at the net is any indication, this racquet should do very well in that area.

The Woods N90 is an absolute cracker when you clear or smash.
Li Ning has got something fantastically right somewhere in the design.
Unfortunately, I don't know what they have done to make it this good.
Perhaps it is in the construction of the shaft, perhaps it is in the head.
What's exhilarating is the huge punch it gives to your clears and smashes!

The large fly in the soup is the racquet's price.
Given that it costs twice as much as the top-end Yonex models, it requires a great deal of enthusiastic belief in the N90's capabilities to justify its retail price. I'd say that, at my level of the game, it certainly is too much to pay for the extra it provides.

However, if Li Ning had priced it close to the top Yonex models, I would have said an immediate goodbye to Yonex. The N90 is clearly a vastly superior racquet, at least in performance if not in looks as well.

In my view, it's only the novelty value that offers any justification at this moment for purchasing the Woods N90 at the price it's being offered at.

I don't get it. The "N90" you see LD using, and in the TVC, looks almost nothing like the one on the website.

What i heard from the sales people of World of sports Singapore is that they only of limited items like medium range rackets. They will not bring in high end rackets, clothes and shoes. I feel that why they are willing to bring in full range of Head badminton products and not Li ning . Isnt more people in Singapore use Yonex and pro ace racket more than Head.

I believe its just a matter of time Mustafa ctr will bring in the full range of Li ning goods soon . World of sports may lose business to them , if they dont bring in more Li ning products.

I don't get it. The "N90" you see LD using, and in the TVC, looks almost nothing like the one on the website.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1160465&postcount=15

He put white tape on it again.

What i heard from the sales people of World of sports Singapore is that they only of limited items like medium range rackets. They will not bring in high end rackets, clothes and shoes. I feel that why they are willing to bring in full range of Head badminton products and not Li ning . Isnt more people in Singapore use Yonex and pro ace racket more than Head.

I believe its just a matter of time Mustafa ctr will bring in the full range of Li ning goods soon . World of sports may lose business to them , if they dont bring in more Li ning products.

World of Sports will not lost any business to Mustafa. Why would they?

Anyway, most badminton players do not frequent these places to purchase badminton equipment.

To be honest, it appears to me that you are obsessed with Li-Ning equipment.

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1160465&postcount=15

He put white tape on it again.

Haha, again. That's our Danny. xD :p

it looks like oldhand is 'forced' to love the racket..
btw, i would say the most important thing is whether the racket is worth our money?;)

Last Sunday, I had a go with the Li Ning Woods N90 for a few minutes.
It felt good... it felt similar if not better than the Yonex Armortec 700.

From a pre-release consignment, I bought the racquet earlier today.
And this evening, I clocked a few hours with it against some good players.

And, by Lin Dan, the Woods N90 is truly impressive!

First things first:

It cost me SGD 440 (the sticker on the grip says SGD 489).

It came with a single compartment Li Ning racquet bag.
The bag is red on one side and black & silver on the other.
It can hold up to 5 racquets and also has a narrow zipped pouch on the silver side. (Apologies for not posting any pictures but this happens to be an extremely busy week for me :()

Although this bag is exclusive to the N90, it isn't a great bag at all.
Simply put, it won't hold much apart from your racquets and wallet.

The discounted price also includes string and stringing.
I had it strung with Yonex BG-80 at 31 pounds. (It was strung by the chap who manned the Li Ning booth at the 2009 Singapore Open.)
I had asked for the Li Ning logo to be stencilled on the (white) string.
Well, someone goofed up... they forgot the logo and also used yellow string!

As I mentioned elsewhere, it is markedly similar to the AT-700 when you pick it up and hit a few test shots or warming-up shots. It feels pleasantly heavy and also tells you that you have something strong and solid in your hand. But the similarity with the AT-700 ends when a fast game begins.

In the beginning, almost every shot will go out until your arm gets used to the new toy in your hands. But once you realise that you can do well enough with a much shorter swing, the accuracy comes into play. The shuttle still threatens to go out but it's a pleasure to see the opponent's dismay when it lands within the back box :D

The 'sweetspot' appears to be larger than in the Yonex isometric models.
The lower part of the stringbed feels quite dead when you forward-slice the shuttle but further up the head, the stringbed is as alive as can be.

I don't know how well this racquet is suited to delicate touch play because the games tonight were all fast and furious. But if Lin Dan's recent prowess at the net is any indication, this racquet should do very well in that area.

The Woods N90 is an absolute cracker when you clear or smash.
Li Ning has got something fantastically right somewhere in the design.
Unfortunately, I don't know what they have done to make it this good.
Perhaps it is in the construction of the shaft, perhaps it is in the head.
What's exhilarating is the huge punch it gives to your clears and smashes!

The large fly in the soup is the racquet's price.
Given that it costs twice as much as the top-end Yonex models, it requires a great deal of enthusiastic belief in the N90's capabilities to justify its retail price. I'd say that, at my level of the game, it certainly is too much to pay for the extra it provides.

However, if Li Ning had priced it close to the top Yonex models, I would have said an immediate goodbye to Yonex. The N90 is clearly a vastly superior racquet, at least in performance if not in looks as well.

In my view, it's only the novelty value that offers any justification at this moment for purchasing the Woods N90 at the price it's being offered at.

I do agree with you that N90 is better than AT700. However it is slightly head heavier than the AT700. probably that is why it packs more punch. SGD440 is a good price.. :) I got mine free.. hehehe

I do agree with you that N90 is better than AT700. However it is slightly head heavier than the AT700. probably that is why it packs more punch. SGD440 is a good price.. :) I got mine free.. hehehe

woah free? so good:D:D

It doesnt comes often. Im just bit fortunate thats all.

It's always the same routine isn't it? Wether it's Li-ning, yonex or whatever.

Every time yonex released a new model, or a new brand is popularised (sotx D600 anyone?) there's always this great flock of people shouting how much of an improvement it is over the rest of the rackets and how much nicer it plays compared to it's predecessors. The new technology really adds something, how could we've possibly practised this sport without it? :p
Then, after a while (and I mean, a looong while, the arc10 is still on that level after a year:p) it mellows down a bit and people move on to the next, or stick with what they have.
I've always enjoyed looking at new stuff and demo'ing rackets (I pretty much worked my way through all sotx models from 06 to 08) but after a while you start to think, haven't we seen this all before?

It's always the same routine isn't it? Wether it's Li-ning, yonex or whatever.

Every time yonex released a new model, or a new brand is popularised (sotx D600 anyone?) there's always this great flock of people shouting how much of an improvement it is over the rest of the rackets and how much nicer it plays compared to it's predecessors. The new technology really adds something, how could we've possibly practised this sport without it? :p
Then, after a while (and I mean, a looong while, the arc10 is still on that level after a year:p) it mellows down a bit and people move on to the next, or stick with what they have.
I've always enjoyed looking at new stuff and demo'ing rackets (I pretty much worked my way through all sotx models from 06 to 08) but after a while you start to think, haven't we seen this all before?
I'd say the top end LN models are, certainly, improvements over the Yonex line.
That's probably because the Yonex models were the starting point for whatever 'R&D' the Li Ning models have gone through.

But it'd be hazardous to measure the improvement the LN racquets represent ;)

PS: I'm feeling robbed and let down after Lin Dan 'lost' to Chen Jin :p

Last Sunday, I had a go with the Li Ning Woods N90 for a few minutes.
It felt good... it felt similar if not better than the Yonex Armortec 700.

From a pre-release consignment, I bought the racquet earlier today.
And this evening, I clocked a few hours with it against some good players.

And, by Lin Dan, the Woods N90 is truly impressive!

First things first:

It cost me SGD 440 (the sticker on the grip says SGD 489).



I was at Queensway shopping yesterday. One of the "usual" shops there quoted me 20% off the $489 list price, that is $390.00 with grip and string (BG66 or BG80). Still seriously considering now to buy or not.:D

The second rkt I bought was their lower end model Ultra Carbon UC 2200B, Let me honestly tell you even this rkt is compare able to any of Yonex top end rkts.


I will not call RMB480 (US$70-80) racket a lower end racket. :p

Myself also interested about trying UC2200B, as the spec states its well balanced. Any detailed review regarding this racket? :rolleyes:

I will not call RMB480 (US$70-80) racket a lower end racket. :p


to me, that is a high end. :eek:
those li ning rackets seem so good, yet they are too expensive... :crying:

I was at Queensway shopping yesterday. One of the "usual" shops there quoted me 20% off the $489 list price, that is $390.00 with grip and string (BG66 or BG80). Still seriously considering now to buy or not.:D

20% off with grip, string and stringing is a great bargain (but only if you believe that the retail pricing is right, to begin with).

to me, that is a high end. :eek:
those li ning rackets seem so good, yet they are too expensive... :crying:

Well, I am waiting and see how much LN rackets will cost when they come to US... :rolleyes:

Hey, can someone with a N90 and a camera take some decent photos?

Hey, can someone with a N90 and a camera take some decent photos?
Try this thread:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71986

Ah, looks like I missed that thread, thanks for the link.

Still doesn't look like a AUD330 racket, but better than in the other photos I've seen of it.

I just got news today that the Li-Ning boutique in Shanghai (the store at Shanghai Indoor Stadium) is retailing the Woods N90 at S$450 after conversion from RMB.

Looks like buying from Shanghai is not cheaper. So far the best price I got in Singapore currently is a shop in Queensway giving me 20% off at $390; followed by a shop in Bras Basah at 15% off at $415. Both with string and grip.

Was advised by the shop in Queensway not to use the Li-Ning strings as the initial feedback from them has not been favourable.

I am putting the N90 acquisition on hold as I am still unwilling to pay $390 for a racquet. So I have plunked my cash on a Gosen Roots Aermet Platinum Limited Edition and a Mizuno Tetracross 700 instead. My first non-Yonex racquets :)

I just got news today that the Li-Ning boutique in Shanghai (the store at Shanghai Indoor Stadium) is retailing the Woods N90 at S$450 after conversion from RMB.

Looks like buying from Shanghai is not cheaper. So far the best price I got in Singapore currently is a shop in Queensway giving me 20% off at $390; followed by a shop in Bras Basah at 15% off at $415. Both with string and grip.

Was advised by the shop in Queensway not to use the Li-Ning strings as the initial feedback from them has not been favourable.

I am putting the N90 acquisition on hold as I am still unwilling to pay $390 for a racquet. So I have plunked my cash on a Gosen Roots Aermet Platinum Limited Edition and a Mizuno Tetracross 700 instead. My first non-Yonex racquets :)
It'd be interesting to find out who the source of this feedback is.
It surely isn't local (Singapore) feedback ;)

It'd be interesting to find out who the source of this feedback is.
It surely isn't local (Singapore) feedback ;)

Yes that thought did occur to me as I was also wondering as to the origin of that feedback unless they come from the Chinese National Badminton Team. They are the only entity I know of who has used them extensively so far.

It may also be probably that I requested the N90 with the Li-Ning AP101N strings. I learned that these strings were developed specifically for the N series racquets.

I am putting the N90 acquisition on hold as I am still unwilling to pay $390 for a racquet. So I have plunked my cash on a Gosen Roots Aermet Platinum Limited Edition and a Mizuno Tetracross 700 instead. My first non-Yonex racquets :)

:D Would be interested to hear soem experience with the Goosen Roots Aermet Platinum.. looks interesting.. The TC700 of course is amazing :cool:!!!

/Twobeer

:D Would be interested to hear soem experience with the Goosen Roots Aermet Platinum.. looks interesting.. The TC700 of course is amazing :cool:!!!

/Twobeer
My Gosen Roots Aermet Platinum is still unstrung. All I can say now is the racquet and the racquet sleeve bag that comes with it is gorgeous. Gosen makes a really good job of making it like a Limited Edition. Yonex could learn a thing or two from them for their limited edition stuff; at least for their distribution for the SP market.

My Mizuno Tetracross 700 is still on its way from Hong Kong.

Go away, you thread saboteurs, to another thread! :o

Go away, you thread saboteurs, to another thread! :o

So true!! Guess it is just to take my mind of the the deep whole in my wallet the unavoidable N90 purchase will dig :p

/T

So true!! Guess it is just to take my mind of the the deep whole in my wallet the unavoidable N90 purchase will dig :p

/T
So, how many TC700s will an N90 buy? :D

How fickle minded can we get? Yesterday it was all Yonex and Yonex only. Apparently, Li Ning knows all about this, and he has "doubled his bets" by doubling his price-and won! Had Li Ning positioned his top racquets at Yonex prices the "crossover" might have got stuck somewhere in the middle.
Now Li Ning is the leader. But the runner up is so far behind he can no longer be seen. This cycle only feeds itself. More will jump ship-you may wait and wait but you will succumb sooner or later and buy that damn Li Ning stuff.
Do you know that there are a few unknown Chinese brands that are close to the top Li Ning racquets?

How fickle minded can we get? Yesterday it was all Yonex and Yonex only. Apparently, Li Ning knows all about this, and he has "doubled his bets" by doubling his price-and won! Had Li Ning positioned his top racquets at Yonex prices the "crossover" might have got stuck somewhere in the middle.
Now Li Ning is the leader. But the runner up is so far behind he can no longer be seen. This cycle only feeds itself. More will jump ship-you may wait and wait but you will succumb sooner or later and buy that damn Li Ning stuff.
Do you know that there are a few unknown Chinese brands that are close to the top Li Ning racquets?
Hold on, are we talking about badminton here?
If yes, then where exactly is Li Ning the leader?
In China?
Ha!

You also might want to read this:
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_19/b4083051446468.htm

Although a year old, it gives a clear picture of where Li Ning went wrong and what it has been trying to do to salvage its pride and lost business. Much of the marketing thrust it has developed in the post-Beijing-Olympics period has been oriented on its plans for the world.

Perhaps, for size, Li Ning should try Asia first.
The world seems a bit too large for them at the moment :o

By the way, I have no idea who is succumbing to Li Ning.
If it's Singapore, Li Ning has sold three racquets so far.

As for racquet bags, the entire sales so far amounts to 'one bag'.
You can have a look at that one bag here:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1195901&postcount=9

So, how many TC700s will an N90 buy? :D

haha :-).. using a car analogy... I would never give a way any of my Veyrons to buy a Königsegg :p :cool:

/Twobeer

^
errr exactly 2,27 pc Tetracross 700 for 1pc Li Ning N90........and both are discount price :D

Do you know that there are a few unknown Chinese brands that are close to the top Li Ning racquets?

If we would have known about them, they would not be "unkown" ;)

/Twobeer

If we would have known about them, they would not be "unkown" ;)

/Twobeer

Yes I would be interested to know of the "few unknown Chinese brands that are close to the top Li Ning racquets" myself. Me being a badminton ignoramus here ;):p

I like the term "paper-tiger marketing" :p

If we would have known about them, they would not be "unkown" ;)

/Twobeer
I think he means the E-1000...

And yes, i am not helping...

There are many racquet manufacturers in China who can make very good racquets. It is not that difficult because it merely requires they buy better and more expensive prepreg. But manufacturers with a small marketing presence cannot afford to make these high quality racquets because their names are unknown, hence they make bread and butter racquets in which they sell by the thousands. There are still a few small ones that still stubbornly maintain at least one top quality grade which hardly sells, although they survive this cut-throat business by selling large volumes of lower end racquets.
I have with me 3 of such racquets, two of the same model and the other model is more of an attacking racquet. I can say they outgun the AT-700, ARC 10, AT-900s, AT800s, and the NXs, MP100, MP99 by quite a wide margin. A visual inspection and some testing of the racquets also tend to confirm this. Yes, there is a simple test using both hands to do a comparative A/B test between two racquets. It gives you a pretty good picture of the frame's materials youngs modulus, not its tensile strength. It requires a strung racquet for a more accurate check.

There are many racquet manufacturers in China who can make very good racquets. It is not that difficult because it merely requires they buy better and more expensive prepreg. But manufacturers with a small marketing presence cannot afford to make these high quality racquets because their names are unknown, hence they make bread and butter racquets in which they sell by the thousands. There are still a few small ones that still stubbornly maintain at least one top quality grade which hardly sells, although they survive this cut-throat business by selling large volumes of lower end racquets.
I have with me 3 of such racquets, two of the same model and the other model is more of an attacking racquet. I can say they outgun the AT-700, ARC 10, AT-900s, AT800s, and the NXs, MP100, MP99 by quite a wide margin. A visual inspection and some testing of the racquets also tend to confirm this. Yes, there is a simple test using both hands to do a comparative A/B test between two racquets. It gives you a pretty good picture of the frame's materials youngs modulus, not its tensile strength. It requires a strung racquet for a more accurate check.the part u don't understand is, who want those superior rackets?????? I'll give u the answer: those solid B+ and better players who can make use and can feel the difference of rackets made with expensive materials AND have the money to afford them. U see, +90% of the players out there are i would say B level and lower AND/OR don't have 300 USD pocket change lying around. The successful (ie. profitable) companies understand this and cater all spectrum of users. A good racket is a racket that suit the user, not the one made with the best and most expensive carbon fiber/materials.

Tell me, how many people out there own a woven 16 compared to say a less expensive SOTX? Answer: http://www.badmintonforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45337

As for racquet bags, the entire sales so far amounts to 'one bag'.


Hmmm .... there was a European guy sitting in front of me at the SG Aviva open who also bought a Li-ning bag. It was gold and black.

So with Oldhand's red one - that makes 2!!!

I have a N70, so 4 rackets sold, but than I'm in Canada

There is a diminishing value or quality for money return on racquets that are heavily sponsored. A top Li Ning racquet surely is not twice the quality of a top Yonex or other brand racquets. Had Li Ning not secured the sponsorship of the Chinese national team-and they did it by customizing their range to individual players!-their RMB 1,800 racquets wouldn't even sell for RMB 500. They would gather dust just like those other unknown manufacturers who, through pride, still maintain a flagship model or two.

I have a N70, so 4 rackets sold, but than I'm in Canada

didnt you get yours from Bbeshop? Thats in China/ Hong Kong. so, not the same. oh well.

hey taneepak and oldhand,what is the maximum tension the woods90 racket can take?and foes Li Ning rackets come with warranty or anthing?thanks

hey taneepak and oldhand,what is the maximum tension the woods90 racket can take?and foes Li Ning rackets come with warranty or anthing?thanks




I bought N70 last week and my friend bought N90 from Queensway. We got 15% discount with grip,string and free stringing. I think this offer was quite reasonable.
Both rackets came with one 3 in 1 bag which is smaller version of China team bag.
We got it strung at 27 pnd. but the owner told me the rackets could be strung above 30 pnd.

There is 6 months warranty.The warranty system is something like warranty for eletronic items.

Though the price was above my budget, One thing I must say the feeling and the power of the racket is really amazing.

I bought N70 last week and my friend bought N90 from Queensway. We got 15% discount with grip,string and free stringing. I think this offer was quite reasonable.
Both rackets came with one 3 in 1 bag which is smaller version of China team bag.
We got it strung at 27 pnd. but the owner told me the rackets could be strung above 30 pnd.

There is 6 months warranty.The warranty system is something like warranty for eletronic items.

Though the price was above my budget, One thing I must say the feeling and the power of the racket is really amazing.
i see...cos i string my rackets quite high and not sure if the Li Ning racket can take the tension.thanks!

Not ready to get suckered into Li-Ning's marketing....Maybe I'll see if I can get a free one from my friend's baddy store in China. :D:D

i see...cos i string my rackets quite high and not sure if the Li Ning racket can take the tension.thanks!
Unless you are stringing at above 36 pounds, most top-end racquets can take the tension.

The question is: Can you? :)

is that li ning rackets? :O
http://www.badmintonshoponline.us/unlimitshop/index.php?osCsid=a9569955405f9ecf77915d1dd1e88b49


so expensive =(

wow. that kinda just crushed my want of a li ning racket.
on the other hand, twobeer will be leased to know you can get the TC700 at a decent price.

Unless you are stringing at above 36 pounds, most top-end racquets can take the tension.

The question is: Can you? :)
haha.cos i string at 36lbs.and the woods90 have not have a stated recommended tension on the racket.i agree that most top-end rackets can take 36lbs BUT not regularly.yonex if string at 36lbs will break after around 3 restrings.

haha.cos i string at 36lbs.and the woods90 have not have a stated recommended tension on the racket.i agree that most top-end rackets can take 36lbs BUT not regularly.yonex if string at 36lbs will break after around 3 restrings.

Not really.

Until recently, Thomas Laybourn was using the Nanospeed 8000.
He has rarely lost a racquet because of repeated stringing.
In fact, he would restring several times during a tournament.
(Of course, if the stringer isn't up to par, the result would be different.)

And, yes, he uses 36 pounds :)

Not really.

Until recently, Thomas Laybourn was using the Nanospeed 8000.
He has rarely lost a racquet because of repeated stringing.
In fact, he would restring several times during a tournament.
(Of course, if the stringer isn't up to par, the result would be different.)

And, yes, he uses 36 pounds :)

NS8000/3U used to be my main racket, and I can just say NO way in hell the NS8Ks yonex sold me would hold up acceptable at "real" non-proportional 36lbs stringing.

Five of my NS8K/3Us even imploded in the stringing machine at 32lbs. Never expereinced that with other models.

Maybe if he had some special DP-serial/QC, 2U NS8ks of the newer 8K version (brown/gold) :confused: ..but original 3Us.. no f-ing way, imop :D

/Twobeer

P.S. some club players i know that ar ns8k users break about 1 NS8k every second month or so (clashes excluded) and it is the "new" model.. The main reason here for NS8K users to switch racket is usually beacuse they feel it breaks to easy :-(

P.P.S.
Sorry for being off topic (but the mod started it :-D :-D ... )
I have just ordered my first Li Ning.. could not resist.... :-D

NS8000/3U used to be my main racket, and I can just say NO way in hell the NS8Ks yonex sold me would hold up acceptable at "real" non-proportional 36lbs stringing.

Five of my NS8K/3Us even imploded in the stringing machine at 32lbs. Never expereinced that with other models.

Maybe if he had some special DP-serial/QC, 2U NS8ks of the newer 8K version (brown/gold) :confused: ..but original 3Us.. no f-ing way, imop :D

/Twobeer

P.S. some club players i know that ar ns8k users break about 1 NS8k every second month or so (clashes excluded) and it is the "new" model.. The main reason here for NS8K users to switch racket is usually beacuse they feel it breaks to easy :-(

P.P.S.
Sorry for being off topic (but the mod started it :-D :-D ... )
I have just ordered my first Li Ning.. could not resist.... :-D
See this: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=897137&postcount=103
One of the paper wraps says it all.

I could dig out the high-resolution picture or maybe even a close shot.
Those 2008 pictures are in my old, disconnected desktop PC :)

NS8000/3U used to be my main racket, and I can just say NO way in hell the NS8Ks yonex sold me would hold up acceptable at "real" non-proportional 36lbs stringing.

Five of my NS8K/3Us even imploded in the stringing machine at 32lbs. Never expereinced that with other models.

Maybe if he had some special DP-serial/QC, 2U NS8ks of the newer 8K version (brown/gold) :confused: ..but original 3Us.. no f-ing way, imop :D

/Twobeer

P.S. some club players i know that ar ns8k users break about 1 NS8k every second month or so (clashes excluded) and it is the "new" model.. The main reason here for NS8K users to switch racket is usually beacuse they feel it breaks to easy :-(

P.P.S.
Sorry for being off topic (but the mod started it :-D :-D ... )
I have just ordered my first Li Ning.. could not resist.... :-D

Did you get the N90?

P.P.S.
Sorry for being off topic (but the mod started it :-D :-D ... )
I have just ordered my first Li Ning.. could not resist.... :-D

I knew it, I knew it! He can't resist on ordering one!:D:D

Give a review after you play with it. BTW, which model did you order?

Did you get the N90?

I knew it, I knew it! He can't resist on ordering one!:D:D

Give a review after you play with it. BTW, which model did you order?

N90 only, but will probably order the N70 as well..

/Twobeer

See this: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=897137&postcount=103
One of the paper wraps says it all.

I could dig out the high-resolution picture or maybe even a close shot.
Those 2008 pictures are in my old, disconnected desktop PC :)

I trust you, of course ;-) .. But I would still trust my own experience with the rackets than anything else anyway :-)..
I didnt see how it was strung, and most importantly I have no idea how long the racket life was :-). was it 3U.. As i said a 2U maybe a JP, DP version would be of higher quality (more nano) in the frame?

The MAS playres on the sheet where all 28-32 :-) with less fragile rackets :-)

/Twobeer

N90 only, but will probably order the N70 as well..

/Twobeer

Might as well get two, since shipping should be the same, well, from where I ordered anyways, couldn't justify getting mulitple even though I wanted to get the N33, N50 and N90 along with the N70 :eek:

I trust you, of course ;-) .. But I would still trust my own experience with the rackets than anything else anyway :-)..
I didnt see how it was strung, and most importantly I have no idea how long the racket life was :-). was it 3U.. As i said a 2U maybe a JP, DP version would be of higher quality (more nano) in the frame?

The MAS playres on the sheet where all 28-32 :-) with less fragile rackets :-)

/Twobeer
Laybourn was the highest in the 'work orders'.
Sho Sasaki was next... his order was for 33 lbs.

Most of the Malaysian players were on 28 or 29.
In contrast, the tomboy China WD were using 32.

What I'd now like to know is how much Laybourn has on the NS 9900.

wow, my father just came home from china (i live in denmark) and he called me and said "come on down when you get the time to do so, i have a surprise for you". when i came to his house, he gave me two Li-Ning rackets and said "do you think theese are good" :D
i haven't had the time to try them out yet, and i probably won't for too many days, so now they are lying in my room, torturring me.

wow, my father just came home from china (i live in denmark) and he called me and said "come on down when you get the time to do so, i have a surprise for you". when i came to his house, he gave me two Li-Ning rackets and said "do you think theese are good" :D
i haven't had the time to try them out yet, and i probably won't for too many days, so now they are lying in my room, torturring me.

That is just so unfair. =)
Which ones is it then?

That is just so unfair. =)
Which ones is it then?

yeah im lucky ^^
i dont know much (or anything) about li-ning, since i come from denmark and they don't have a market here :mad:
but the names are:
3G ti powertec tpioia
TB nano powertec 200 A

i don't believe they are high end, or from this season.. but they seem very good and i'm very exited to try them out :)

yeah im lucky ^^
i dont know much (or anything) about li-ning, since i come from denmark and they don't have a market here :mad:
but the names are:
3G ti powertec tpioia
TB nano powertec 200 A

i don't believe they are high end, or from this season.. but they seem very good and i'm very exited to try them out :)

No, it would be nice if you could buy them here in Denmark, but I guess we'll have to wait some time before we can try the high end products of theirs.

I'd love to try the the one Lin Dan and Fu Haifeng uses, respectively. :)

No, it would be nice if you could buy them here in Denmark, but I guess we'll have to wait some time before we can try the high end products of theirs.

I'd love to try the the one Lin Dan and Fu Haifeng uses, respectively. :)

right its too bad that we haven't got any brands in stores to compete with yonex and forza. i went to a lot of stores the last time i needed a new racket but i only found a lot of yonex and forza... i ended up buying on the internet :P
if we got a brand like li-ning in the stores, then i think that we would see them at the gyms very quickly :)

right its too bad that we haven't got any brands in stores to compete with yonex and forza. i went to a lot of stores the last time i needed a new racket but i only found a lot of yonex and forza... i ended up buying on the internet :P
if we got a brand like li-ning in the stores, then i think that we would see them at the gyms very quickly :)

Haha, nah, I doubt that. Forza and Yonex have a lot of low-end rackets, and the ones you find in the stores are usually low end or ridiculously expensive. I always buy my rackets online, and I rarely find a store that has the rackets I want to try out (just the feel).

Haha, nah, I doubt that. Forza and Yonex have a lot of low-end rackets, and the ones you find in the stores are usually low end or ridiculously expensive. I always buy my rackets online, and I rarely find a store that has the rackets I want to try out (just the feel).

there is another thing i don't understand - how can denmark be competing (sometimes beating) the best in the world, but not have any badminton stores. there might be one, but i haven't found it then :(

there is another thing i don't understand - how can denmark be competing (sometimes beating) the best in the world, but not have any badminton stores. there might be one, but i haven't found it then :(

Well, you're right, it's a sad situation, but I just don't think that there's enough interest for badminton in Denmark, to open stores with only badminton gear. Trans Ocean Sport in Lyngby (Sjælland, I don't know where you live =)) sells badminton and tennis stuff only, but it's just as expensive as any other retailer. It never pays off to buy things in the stores, unless you have absolutely NO idea what you want, and the seller knows a lot more than the average Sportmaster-emplyoee.

Just bought and tried the N90. Strung as usual Yonex 98 at 26lbs. Same as my Yonex Arc 9,10, AT800, N9900, MP100.

Initial feel before playing is that the balance is head heavy, balance point about 0.4-0.8cm different from the other Yonex rackets. Consistently head heavier (grip included) measurements. Thicker cross section construction in the head frame as well. Shaft is also more flexible than the other Yonex rackets - perhaps giving it the feeling of 'power' during hits.

Playing feel was good - good power all round with smashes, and fast enough for doubles, feels like a lighter faster MP100 (which has plenty of power but heavier and slower). The flexier shaft is a bit more comfortable but I had to time my contact slightly earlier to adjust to this feel. Definitely not as stiff as the ARC 10 or N9900.

Overall feel is very subjective - I still like my ARC 9 the best. I feel the extra premium for the N90 is not justifiable. Not a breakthrough in outright stiffness, performance, or feel to make up the extra dollars.

Hello all. I am new to this forum so bear with me. I'm looking to buy a new racket and I'm currently on a trip in China; so there are Li-Ning stores literally at every street corners.

I consider myself to be a beginner/intermediate player but it has been quite a while since I've played. So I'm thinking of buying a new racket to get back into it.

My questions are: are mid-range Li-Ning rackets worth it? Which series are considered mid-range? I've browsed through the li-ning website but it isn't all that useful. I'm not an expert in this field so I'm looking for some advice.

You might like the N50.
It's light and deadly :)

You might like the N50.
It's light and deadly :)

acquired one of those too, i see. you like it as much as the N90?

Well, you're right, it's a sad situation, but I just don't think that there's enough interest for badminton in Denmark, to open stores with only badminton gear. Trans Ocean Sport in Lyngby (Sjælland, I don't know where you live =)) sells badminton and tennis stuff only, but it's just as expensive as any other retailer. It never pays off to buy things in the stores, unless you have absolutely NO idea what you want, and the seller knows a lot more than the average Sportmaster-emplyoee.

true, but i would still love to go into a store and feel the racket before bying it. it really makes a huge difference sometimes. for eksample i bought a forza racket online (amour controle) a couple of years ago, and when i got it, i felt right away that it wasn't the racket for me. you can see a lot from the numbers, but its impossible to write down the exact fell of the racket.

acquired one of those too, i see. you like it as much as the N90?
The N90 has a heavy feel, much like the AT-700.
The N50 is great but is too light for my taste :p

The N90 has a heavy feel, much like the AT-700.
The N50 is great but is too light for my taste :p
with that investment on N90, i do believe you are forced to love N90. :p

from the specs, N50 maybe suitable for me. been busy these couple of weeks, havent stop by at the shop to check it out. :(

with that investment on N90, i do believe you are forced to love N90. :p

from the specs, N50 maybe suitable for me. been busy these couple of weeks, havent stop by at the shop to check it out. :(
Last Wednesday, I had the opportunity to try all the top Li Ning racquets.
If I were presented a choice, I'd still pick the N90 Woods over the others :p

From what i see of the Li ning chart for Li ning rackets at world of sports, N 50 racket is the heaviest with 89-90g without string!

with that investment on N90, i do believe you are forced to love N90. :p

from the specs, N50 maybe suitable for me. been busy these couple of weeks, havent stop by at the shop to check it out. :(

Just now went AJ racket.. N55 cost RM 1k... So expensive

Got a N50 and tested. Initial feel likes the Arc10. The difference stands out after during the games.

Net play is accurate with little effort. String with BG80 and 25lbs. The bounce is good.

Delivers a powerful shot to end court.

Overall, a pleasant surprise. The N50 turns up sturdy and the feel during the match is robust.

Decided to get a N90 too. Cheers.

whats is the feel to the N90 LN racket? is it good at the net as well? cause from what ive read, it seems to pack a powerful punch from the reviews i was reading. Well, i own a arc 10 now, just woindering if the N90 is head heavier than the arc 10? and is the shaft stiffer comapred to arc 10?

thanks! :D

Latest info to share with Singapore badminton fans here: 10 & 10 shop is selling Li ning string now. Max effect of power play will be together with Li ning N-series racket with Li ning string.

hmmm... just wonder whether they can survive in msia market given this price range... :rolleyes:

Just now went AJ racket.. N55 cost RM 1k... So expensive

Max effect of power play will be together with Li ning N-series racket with Li ning string.

Really???? :eek:

Really???? :eek:

Lol, that's really funny.

Latest info to share with Singapore badminton fans here: 10 & 10 shop is selling Li ning string now. Max effect of power play will be together with Li ning N-series racket with Li ning string.
I had my N90 restrung with the Li Ning 101 string.
Er, I can't say I'm very pleased with it.

For one, the Li Ning string is too expensive (SGD 26).
Secondly, the Yonex BG-66 feels much better (to me).

Bro Oldhand, what string u use , i saw the Li ning , 0.70mm equivalent to Yonex BG 65 cost only Sing $15.

I had my N90 restrung with the Li Ning 101 string.
Er, I can't say I'm very pleased with it.



Bro Oldhand, what string u use , i saw the Li ning , 0.70mm equivalent to Yonex BG 65 cost only Sing $15.


He tried the Li Ning 101N (AXJD046) string as mentioned in his post. ;)

The catalogue can be found here.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71738

Just bought and tried the N90. Strung as usual Yonex 98 at 26lbs. Same as my Yonex Arc 9,10, AT800, N9900, MP100.

Initial feel before playing is that the balance is head heavy, balance point about 0.4-0.8cm different from the other Yonex rackets. Consistently head heavier (grip included) measurements. Thicker cross section construction in the head frame as well. Shaft is also more flexible than the other Yonex rackets - perhaps giving it the feeling of 'power' during hits.

Playing feel was good - good power all round with smashes, and fast enough for doubles, feels like a lighter faster MP100 (which has plenty of power but heavier and slower). The flexier shaft is a bit more comfortable but I had to time my contact slightly earlier to adjust to this feel. Definitely not as stiff as the ARC 10 or N9900.

Overall feel is very subjective - I still like my ARC 9 the best. I feel the extra premium for the N90 is not justifiable. Not a breakthrough in outright stiffness, performance, or feel to make up the extra dollars.


Eric ? Didn't know that you were into badminton too! :eek::D

I don't get the sizing for the handle...So S3 is bigger than S2?

whats is the feel to the N90 LN racket? is it good at the net as well? cause from what ive read, it seems to pack a powerful punch from the reviews i was reading. Well, i own a arc 10 now, just woindering if the N90 is head heavier than the arc 10? and is the shaft stiffer comapred to arc 10?

thanks! :D
N90 is head heavier than arc10, and has a less stiffer shaft than arc10.

i;ve compared one of my friend's n90 with my 2u-arc10.
the swinging speed and acceleration of n90 and 2u-arc10 is quite similiar, which means n90 is head heavier because n90 is 3u.

the shaft, i'd say that 2u-arc10's shaft is really stiff.
n90 is a lot more flexible than arc10(even 3u arc10).

overall, i feel n90's stiffness and head-heaviness is very similar to 3u-at700(new version)---- although a little heavy, but very friendly to use.


considering n90 is designed to Lin Dan's taste, its similarity to at700 is quite reasonable.

I don't get the sizing for the handle...So S3 is bigger than S2?

yes, S3 handle size is indeed bigger than S2.....W3 weight is also heavier than W2.

Any badminton fans using Li ning Fu haifeng N50 rackets, can give any comment on this racket?

Went to Li-Ning Boutique shop at Orchard Ion this afternoon. The prices are the same as in Aviva S'pore Open.

I wonder how they are going to survive just selling Li-Ning badminton apparel. :confused:

Any photos on Li Ning boutique at Orchard ION?

I think they can survive. Why? A simple example: Li Ning is an high end brand. They look for medium up market. Look at Mercedes Benz, do you think they want everybody to buy their cars? No, they target rich people only. Driving Benz is a symbol of one's status. Li Ning's goods all are selling at high price. They are same level with Nike and Adidas (in China for this moment and all over the world in the future).

On the other hand, Yonex will never be same level with Nike and Adidas. Just like Toyota will never have the same status with Benz, BMW or Audi. That's why Toyota comes out with Lexus.

My point is, Li Ning will attract high income group to buy their products. They just need a little bit of time.

Any photos on Li Ning boutique at Orchard ION?

I think they can survive. Why? A simple example: Li Ning is an high end brand. They look for medium up market. Look at Mercedes Benz, do you think they want everybody to buy their cars? No, they target rich people only. Driving Benz is a symbol of one's status. Li Ning's goods all are selling at high price. They are same level with Nike and Adidas (in China for this moment and all over the world in the future).

On the other hand, Yonex will never be same level with Nike and Adidas. Just like Toyota will never have the same status with Benz, BMW or Audi. That's why Toyota comes out with Lexus.

My point is, Li Ning will attract high income group to buy their products. They just need a little bit of time.

I'm sure Li Ning marketing team had done their own survey b4 they start to market their product in sky rocket price. So let them target the rich pple then...as in they are same level with Nike and Adidas..technology wise...maybe...coz now most of the shoes..etc are made in china...but price wise...even a Nike or Adidas sports attire dun sell so expensive unless u r getting the Limited edition....

on the other hand to compare yonex with adidas n nike...i have doubt abt it...did u see Yonex sponsoring any world cup? or any football tournament?...did u see any football team wearing yonex jersey?...or yonex in basketball?...Or did u see Nike or adidas sponsor any BWF events?...i think they r in the same level as in their own strong product...

well Li-Ning certainly has alot to prove..... I'm not convinced to buy one yet although i can afford it.

Anyway, good players don't normally care what the latest rackets are. Of course its different if you're sponsored.;)

From what i heard from the aunty at 10 & 10 bras basah , the Li ning ladies shoes and Bag is selling like hot cake. And i believe Li ning will do well in Singapore, hope they can open more shop here, like Adidas in singapore.

What I meant is, the BRAND IMAGE of Yonex is hardly to be same status with Nike and Adidas. A simple question, which brand will bring up your personal image when you go shopping mall by wearing Yonex shoe or Nike shoe?

A simple question, which brand will bring up your personal image when you go shopping mall by wearing Yonex shoe or Nike shoe?

Unless you are talking about primary school bookshop, neither Yonex nor Nike are up market enough to lift your personal image. I've seen primary school kids using LV stuff so it might not work there either.

Plus it's pathetic to need brands to lift one's personal image :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:...

recently i gt a chance to try lin dan Woods N90.Not so bad at all but its very stiff.

Racket specification

Item Code : AYPD212
Composition : Carbon Fiber
Colour : Red
Flex : Hard
Weight : W3 (85-89g)
Grip size : -1 S2 / -2 S3

With the characteristics of a heavy racquet head , stiff shaft and high balance point, Woods N90 is the perfect weapon for offensive player. The compressive-structure frame , torsion and steadiness increased. It offers great improvement in skills and control.

wanting to know more abt other model of li-ning rackets:) please get back to me....

Any photos on Li Ning boutique at Orchard ION?

I think they can survive. Why? A simple example: Li Ning is an high end brand. They look for medium up market. Look at Mercedes Benz, do you think they want everybody to buy their cars? No, they target rich people only. Driving Benz is a symbol of one's status. Li Ning's goods all are selling at high price. They are same level with Nike and Adidas (in China for this moment and all over the world in the future).

On the other hand, Yonex will never be same level with Nike and Adidas. Just like Toyota will never have the same status with Benz, BMW or Audi. That's why Toyota comes out with Lexus.

My point is, Li Ning will attract high income group to buy their products. They just need a little bit of time.

They are not the same at all.
Benz has good quality and safety alone with the price.
However, with Li Ning's price , you get trash.

I think they will be out soon...
and can anyone tell me where i can get Supplier for Asics court shoes...Really need to know fast...thank you...

What I meant is, the BRAND IMAGE of Yonex is hardly to be same status with Nike and Adidas. A simple question, which brand will bring up your personal image when you go shopping mall by wearing Yonex shoe or Nike shoe?

Only low esteem people need brand image.

On the other hand, Yonex will never be same level with Nike and Adidas. Just like Toyota will never have the same status with Benz, BMW or Audi. That's why Toyota comes out with Lexus.



So after more than a decade of launching the Lexus brand, does it have the same brand recognition/equity as Benz, BMW or Audi ?

For the same price, would you go for the Germans or the Japs ?

Sorry, I digress :D

What I meant is, the BRAND IMAGE of Yonex is hardly to be same status with Nike and Adidas. A simple question, which brand will bring up your personal image when you go shopping mall by wearing Yonex shoe or Nike shoe?

to me....personal image is not all abt wat brand u r wearing...is how u dress and carry urself..

I just wanted to add that I have been testing the Li Ning N90 woods on sessions yesturday and today (and will use it at traing tommorrow as well :-) )..

Its an awesome racket... I like it much more than both AT700 and ARC10. it is on par with TC700.. Li Ning means business.. I think we may have a new market-leader in a few years...

/Twobeer

I too have been playing with Woods N90 for the last 3 weeks.
For the record, I also own 3 old-cosmetics AT700, 2 new-cosmetics AT700 and 1 AT700 Ltd, and have been using them interchangeably for the last couple of months.
In my opinion, Woods N90 feels closest to the old-cosmetics AT700.
Similar medium flex and almost identical static weight and balance point.
The new-cosmetics AT700 and AT700 Ltd both feel stiffer and have higher balance points ie head-heavier.
In terms of playability, Woods N90 also plays identical to the old-cosmetics AT700.
If I were to paint all the racquets black, I don't think I can tell the diference between Woods N90 and the old-cosmetics AT700.

I too have been playing with Woods N90 for the last 3 weeks.
For the record, I also own 3 old-cosmetics AT700, 2 new-cosmetics AT700 and 1 AT700 Ltd, and have been using them interchangeably for the last couple of months.
In my opinion, Woods N90 feels closest to the old-cosmetics AT700.
Similar medium flex and almost identical static weight and balance point.
The new-cosmetics AT700 and AT700 Ltd both feel stiffer and have higher balance points ie head-heavier.
In terms of playability, Woods N90 also plays identical to the old-cosmetics AT700.
If I were to paint all the racquets black, I don't think I can tell the diference between Woods N90 and the old-cosmetics AT700.

I dont think it feels like ether the old original one, the "red" nor the dragon at700, apart from the head-heaviness which i think is pretty much the same on all of them..
The N90 is however more manouverable imop, and I attribute this to its more aerodynamic frame, and it is also slightly shorter than the AT700!!

I would have no problem feeling the difference if they got painted black..

Maybe there are different versions of the N90 :p

/T

i heard that lining will carried some mid and low range racket...
in the mid of august....and they had 36 model all of them...
is it true?

What I meant is, the BRAND IMAGE of Yonex is hardly to be same status with Nike and Adidas. A simple question, which brand will bring up your personal image when you go shopping mall by wearing Yonex shoe or Nike shoe?

If you mean personal grooming and style, then the best is wear a tailor made clothing. We still need tailors.

Most branded stuff have generic size and doesn't fit perfectly.

For shoes, if you want to look casual cool, Adidas Sambas, Pumas or Converse Chuck Taylors are a good bet.

Sports clothing/shoes are strictly for the gymn/sports hall etc.

Any photos on Li Ning boutique at Orchard ION?
Where is BC's master photographer aramistuscany? :D

You can look at this thread. You can see pictures of the range of Li Ning racquets hanging on the racks. Their range is from mid to high-end (S$99-489). No low-end as they are covered by Kason which belongs to Li-Ning.

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71335

Where is BC's master photographer aramistuscany? :D

I am stuck overseas ;) otherwise I would have attended their opening on the 21 July. Will be back Sunday so it will be some time next week if I can snap some pics surreptitiously if they don't allow me to do it openly.

Must invest in one of those mini James Bond cameras ;)

about the price...
in china, many badminton-equipment stores give a discount of 35% on li-ning rackets, which means an N90 costs actually 1300RMB(about 190 USD)

omg...35% also need 190US...
so is there any retail selling Lining brand in hk? and in Vancouver?

Hi, any one know how to identify real and fake Li Ning racket. I'm not sure where it is a duplicate with any one or not. But I can't find any similar post in the search function, so I just try to ask in here.

hi...

My friend is currently in china and i am interested in buying li-ning racket, i currently own arcsaber 10 witch is just great i am looking for a similar racket in terms of flexibility and weight and balance point so i am searcing for li-ning arcsaber 10, maybe a little softer than arc 10.

I was looking at n33,n50,n55,n70, cant seem to find the specs for balance point and stiffness. so maybe someone can post a link for specs of their rackets

I am kind of in a hurry can you please help me as soon as possible.

hi...

My friend is currently in china and i am interested in buying li-ning racket, i currently own arcsaber 10 witch is just great i am looking for a similar racket in terms of flexibility and weight and balance point so i am searcing for li-ning arcsaber 10, maybe a little softer than arc 10.

I was looking at n33,n50,n55,n70, cant seem to find the specs for balance point and stiffness. so maybe someone can post a link for specs of their rackets

I am kind of in a hurry can you please help me as soon as possible.

Bao switched from Arc-10 to N70. So I guess N70 could be a good choice for you..

/Twobeer

I am stuck overseas ;) otherwise I would have attended their opening on the 21 July. Will be back Sunday so it will be some time next week if I can snap some pics surreptitiously if they don't allow me to do it openly.

Must invest in one of those mini James Bond cameras ;)
and mind u helping me there....
can u help me to get there phone number and address pls...thank you...;)

thank you for replay but i wanna know the specs of the racket N70, and others only thing i found was chinese pdf catalogue and nothing about stiffness and ballance point, so if anybody can tell me stiffness and ballance points of N70, N77, N33, N30, N55, N50

You won't be able to find any spec on the rackets as I think they kept those secret. I have a N70 and while it is similar to an ARC10 it feels much more heavier. After playing for an hour and a half with a N70, I would sometimes switch back to my ARC10 and the ARC10 will feel very light compared to my N70.