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cooler

05-15-2009, 09:52 PM

Ohw, finally we have a thread about Simon. Taking Taufik's position in INA Sudirman Cup Team, I am sure he's a way better than Simon in 2008 Singapore Open, cooler. Greatness is being ready for the chance, give him one.

sorry to chill u but u should read more:p

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1700337

koo_fan

05-15-2009, 10:27 PM

sorry to chill u but u should read more:p

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1700337
err, ok . hahaha.. Search Engine yea?

volcom

05-15-2009, 11:30 PM

Sony is much better than Simon.

ctjcad

05-15-2009, 11:43 PM

Watching him play at Susirman Cup 2009. This guy is so docile, like Taufik, yet consistent and deadly with all his shots:eek:. My guess is we'll be seeing more of him.
..Simon who????...do you know how long has he been playing??..

sorry to chill u but u should watch more:p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IslajYwWy10
..only 5 pts in the 2nd game??..

Sony is much better than Simon.
..perhaps..

kirana

05-16-2009, 11:29 PM

Well, at least until semifinal round of Sudirman Cup 2009, he is the only one who managed to force Lin Dan to play 3 sets:D not even LCW, or perhaps Lin Dan was totally off during that game?:p

ctjcad

05-16-2009, 11:31 PM

..similar thread here:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41821

Looks like the 1st poster calls him : cute, nice & talented boy...;)..

otaclub

05-17-2009, 12:03 AM

well..its true he has not showing what INA expect from MS (backing SDK and replacing TH position)..alson because he had been ill two times when participating in a tournament..but i personally have high hopes for him..watching him play is more interesting than watching SDK's slow and lazy play..(according to me)

lets hope that he can do better in the near Super Series and World Championship

ps: it is only him that can force LD to play rubber..check head to head of two player..

ctjcad

05-17-2009, 12:45 AM

kirana

05-17-2009, 02:21 AM

..other than his title at Chinese Taipei Open GP and a couple of runner-up finishes, last yr, he hasn't done nothing much. And time is running out for him.
It's good & dandy if he can force LD to a rubber game, but he needs to turn that rubber-game effort into a win, esp. against top players.

Yup, it reminds me of BCL aka Mr Runner Ups, I think BCL only started to win the SS title just last year after actively involve in the games for yearssss despite all the hypes about him.
Hope Simon will start to win the SS titles this year otherwise he will be the the next Mr Runner ups or even worse:D

huangkwokhau

05-17-2009, 08:27 PM

..other than his title at Chinese Taipei Open GP and a couple of runner-up finishes, last yr, he hasn't done nothing much. And time is running out for him.
It's good & dandy if he can force LD to a rubber game, but he needs to turn that rubber-game effort into a win, esp. against top players.
Give him time....still not too late..many chinese players, same age as Simon, not even been there..like Lu Yi ..even BCL, just surged lately after aging over 24 or 25 yrs of age??

limsy

05-17-2009, 08:43 PM

Yup, it reminds me of BCL aka Mr Runner Ups, I think BCL only started to win the SS title just last year after actively involve in the games for yearssss despite all the hypes about him.

please dont kidding with me,bcl NEVER enter any final in 2008:rolleyes:
the last final he enter before 2009 should be 2007 china open or some tournament around that.
his 1st final after 1 year+ is german open and he won.;)

volcom

05-18-2009, 12:10 AM

please dont kidding with me,bcl NEVER enter any final in 2008:rolleyes:
the last final he enter before 2009 should be 2007 china open or some tournament around that.
his 1st final after 1 year+ is german open and he won.;)
Check his results prior to that?
Look at how many finals did he enter. :rolleyes:

limsy

05-18-2009, 01:06 AM

Check his results prior to that?
Look at how many finals did he enter. :rolleyes:

he say bcl start winning ss title last year,proof?:rolleyes:

volcom

05-18-2009, 01:29 AM

he say bcl start winning ss title last year,proof?:rolleyes:
My mistake bro, take it easy.

ctjcad

05-18-2009, 02:58 PM

Give him time....still not too late..many chinese players, same age as Simon, not even been there..like Lu Yi ..even BCL, just surged lately after aging over 24 or 25 yrs of age??

Yup, it reminds me of BCL aka Mr Runner Ups, I think BCL only started to win the SS title just last year after actively involve in the games for yearssss despite all the hypes about him.
Hope Simon will start to win the SS titles this year otherwise he will be the the next Mr Runner ups or even worse:D
..but personally, and from what i've seen of him and his results, i think he's reached his max potential. Sorry, but he is what he is. How long should we give him time & a chance?? Taufik when he was Simon's age has already won the OG titles, INA Open titles, AE MS Final appearance, and abt to win the WC. Maybe he'll finally show his true potential once LinDan and LCW retire? But doubt that'll happen soon, at least not for the next 3 yrs. At the most, he'll be similar to that of Sony Kuncoro and i'm sure you guys know what has Sony achieved.
- As for Lu Yi comparison, yes, he & Simon started about the same time, and both also have only won 2 titles in their career. Lu Yi will most likely, at max., be similar to BCL.
- As for Simon being similar to BCL aka Mr. Runner-Ups, i don't think he also qualifies for that. Maybe a Mr. Quarter-finalist??..

Fidget

05-18-2009, 07:23 PM

I agree with your gut feelings, ctjcad.
There are some players you'd like to have a beer with--eg. Taufik, LinDan.
And others you can picture having a nice tea with --eg Sony, Simon.

It is apparent which ones have the feisty winning spirit.

koo_fan

05-18-2009, 11:25 PM

Go Simon, prove Chris wrong. ahakz.~

I do have the same doubt if we can say he'd would ever be at Taufik's level . But I am sure he can be a better Simon, always.

kirana

05-19-2009, 07:45 AM

please dont kidding with me,bcl NEVER enter any final in 2008:rolleyes:
the last final he enter before 2009 should be 2007 china open or some tournament around that.
his 1st final after 1 year+ is german open and he won.;)

Oops, my mistake:p Anyway, what I want to emphasise is just give Simon more time,say 1-2 years, maybe he is a late bloomer like BCL:D

chilli

05-19-2009, 10:42 AM

I never knew Simon can be this controversial when I started this thread. I love his style, and his sportsmanship no matter where he ranks.

otaclub

05-19-2009, 11:09 AM

Oops, my mistake:p Anyway, what I want to emphasise is just give Simon more time,say 1-2 years, maybe he is a late bloomer like BCL:D

agree! go into every super series -> no typhus/or any ill -> improving skills -> and of course try to beat sony to be the first INA MD (i think pbsi always use him as a sony-backup..that's what making his stagnancy)

ctjcad

05-19-2009, 02:02 PM

...I do have the same doubt if we can say he'd would ever be at Taufik's level . But I am sure he can be a better Simon, always.

Oops, my mistake:p Anyway, what I want to emphasise is just give Simon more time,say 1-2 years, maybe he is a late bloomer like BCL:D

agree! go into every super series -> no typhus/or any ill -> improving skills -> and of course try to beat sony to be the first INA MD (i think pbsi always use him as a sony-backup..that's what making his stagnancy)
..he can be a better Simon, sure, but how many more yrs should we give Simon a chance?..are you guys satisfied with Simon reaching a max. potential of BCL??..:confused:
Btw, kirana, are you Indonesian??..:confused::)

I never knew Simon can be this controversial when I started this thread. I love his style, and his sportsmanship no matter where he ranks.
..there's no controversy. Only difference of opinions between Simon's sympathizers and those looking at reality.

Jagdpanther

05-19-2009, 02:15 PM

Ahh, 4 Heavenly Kings of Badminton. LD, LCW, TH, and PG.
When one starts using them as standard, other players will look sooo low.
:p

ctjcad

05-19-2009, 02:17 PM

..which other (current) player's standard do you want to use or compare with if not those current top 4 players??..:confused:

cooler

05-19-2009, 02:18 PM

Ahh, 4 Heavenly Kings of Badminton. LD, LCW, TH, and PG.
When one starts using them as standard, other players will look sooo low.
:p
some of those kings haven't won a WC, AE, OG, TC or a SC yet.:rolleyes:
which standards are u using:confused:

koo_fan

05-19-2009, 02:35 PM

..he can be a better Simon, sure, but how many more yrs should we give Simon a chance?..are you guys satisfied with Simon reaching a max. potential of BCL??..:confused:
..there's no controversy. Only difference of opinions between Simon's sympathizers and those looking at reality.

but personally, and from what i've seen of him and his results, i think he's reached his max potential. - and i said he haven't. You sure wanna see more of 23 years old pro player. Taufik is just an example. As he is Simon's countryman and was said as one the 4 "Current BAdminton Kings".

ctjcad

05-19-2009, 02:39 PM

..esp. for INA MS players. What do you mean "Taufik is just an example". You really want to compare Simon to Sony's standard??..

But okay lah, i'll halt with the semi-reality lashing on Simon. He is definitely calm, cool, collected, cute, good looking and a similar to BCL-SDK-talent..;)

Jagdpanther

05-19-2009, 04:25 PM

some of those kings haven't won a WC, AE, OG, TC or a SC yet.:rolleyes:
which standards are u using:confused:
Aw, pretty sneaky of you, adding 2 more (team) titles in your post edit, eh?:p
Yep yep yep, your god has achieved almost everything. Satisfied, mister?:rolleyes:

That 'Heavenly Kings' thing?
Not me, just borrowing the term from older posts by some BCers.
Sounds cool, really.:)

koentiel

05-20-2009, 03:20 AM

hi all.
am a newbie.

as i know, Simon is really a calm boy but high emotional.
i like to see her face. not arrogant looks but action in his hand..

koo_fan

05-20-2009, 04:36 AM

hi all.
am a newbie.

as i know, Simon is really a calm boy but high emotional.
i like to see her face. not arrogant looks but action in his hand..

And all this time , i thought he played MEN singles. :D Hi, welcome, kontiel. :)
I like to see his face too. He had the cutey looks.

huangkwokhau

05-20-2009, 04:48 AM

Simon will be Simon...thats it!!
Chris has been in doubt with any INA MS players lately....time will tell..some develop game faster, some are late....How many years we will give to to Gong Wei Jie too? I am sure Gong wont be another LD,,let Gong be Gong and Simon be Simon..

eaglehelang

05-20-2009, 06:04 AM

That 'Heavenly Kings' thing?
Not me, just borrowing the term from older posts by some BCers.
Sounds cool, really.:)

The 4 heavenly kings is used to describe 4 HK male artists - Jacky Cheung, Andy Lau, Aaron Kwok, Leon Lai (I think);)

george@chongwei

05-20-2009, 07:11 AM

Another taufik hidayat in the making?;)

ctjcad

05-20-2009, 05:32 PM

..well, IMO, if we let Gong be Gong and Simon be Simon, then i'm afraid we won't see them standing on that grand podium in the near future. At least not when LCW, LD, CJ and other top players are still playing.
They could perhaps have a chance after LD & LCW retire, perhaps after the 2012 OG, but then who will be there to compare them with? Also, by that time both Gong and Simon will be 27 yrs old and other younger MS players will be on the rise.
Keeping with the topic of Simon, others may give him time & more chance, but IMO he has reached his peak.

Another taufik hidayat in the making?;)
..that's what they, or at least coach Mulyo Handoyo (Taufik's coach), used to say..Simon is no longer 16 or 17 y.o., though;)

kirana

05-23-2009, 12:00 PM

[quote=ctjcad;1170923]..he can be a better Simon, sure, but how many Btw, kirana, are you Indonesian??..:confused::)

Yes, I'm an Indonesian who has been staying in S'pore for the past 7 years, I guess it's quite clear from my user name ?;)
Like the majority of the indonesian badminton fan, I'll be always supporting Indonesian badminton players:D and giving my respect to other countries players as well:cool:

huangkwokhau

05-23-2009, 08:48 PM

Chris..i think it is about time that you involve in talent scout in INA....may be with your involvement, we can find another TH or LCW here....
I believe that Simon has not reached his peak yet.....
Even China wont let Lu Yi. Gong, Wen Kai. Zhu Weilun or Qiu Yanbo go either....even BCL still remains ....do you think it is easy to find a talent players these days???

ikanz91

05-23-2009, 09:00 PM

yeah~
simon is the next taufik hidayat..
but i think sony better than simon..
so they're the next taufik hidayat..
^^

huangkwokhau

05-23-2009, 09:05 PM

Also to be fair with Simon, Chen Jin, almost same age with Simon has not performed well//it is true that CJ got AE and we all knew why....but when CJ went to tournament by himself, he has not performed well either...at least Simon went to SO by himself and got to final....I just do not think it is right to thrash him just like that...even PG refused to step down..( we all know that he had passed his prime time)

huangkwokhau

05-23-2009, 09:14 PM

Finding a talent like TH/LD or Susi is not easy...look at China...is there anyone to replace LD in future? so far CHN got Chen Long ( yes...he is onlye one that can replace LD in future)...but he is close to 20 already....you cant compare him with LD.( when he was 17)..if you do then CL will be same as other...it is tough to get 16 or 17 yrs' player to be like TH..

jasonmarc

05-23-2009, 09:50 PM

blackbhara92

05-25-2009, 08:58 PM

Yes, true......its like 1 in every 50 years in INA,.....and 1 in every 25 years in Chn..............and 1 in every 75 years in MAS........:D:D:D....:o:o

i will say that's a lot of hiperbole , the population in china is the most, so it's kinda easy to find another LD,

koo_fan

05-26-2009, 05:19 AM

i will say that's a lot of hiperbole , the population in china is the most, so it's kinda easy to find another LD,

I expect Lee Chong Wei and other players not to be so 'humble' when play against him and that he's not extraordinary, not unbeatable. Be known that that's the way i'd like to enjoy the games. Fighting spirit.
One like Lin Dan is rare. You may not find him anywhere, anytime. Population of China? Oh yeah, they had Chen Long. Good luck~. 'kinda easy' is not the word, i guess.

ctjcad

05-26-2009, 03:46 PM

...Yes, I'm an Indonesian who has been staying in S'pore for the past 7 years, I guess it's quite clear from my user name ?;)
...
...well, i don't really consider whether the person is a fan of certain player or country by his/her screen/user-name. Instead, what i notice is the person's interest in a particular player or country. *There's another member named kemana, who is not Indonesian but from China, but is a big fan of Taufik.:cool:
Although i notice other members, who are not of Indonesian origin, have some keen interest in Indonesian players.

Chris..i think it is about time that you involve in talent scout in INA....may be with your involvement, we can find another TH or LCW here....
I believe that Simon has not reached his peak yet.....
Even China wont let Lu Yi. Gong, Wen Kai. Zhu Weilun or Qiu Yanbo go either....even BCL still remains ....do you think it is easy to find a talent players these days???
- INA/PBSI don't have to find another Taufik or LCW or Rudy (not you, of course;)) or Haryanto Arbi...There's no doubt abt the fact that it's a challenge to find new talents in INA nowadays..
- As for Simon, as i've mentioned before, I'd love to be proven totally wrong, but I think Simon has reached his peak, more or less. I can see it from his performance and results. If he reaches his peak after LD, LCW officially retire, then it's of no comparison. For one, TH, LD & LCW had achieved better results when they were Simon's age and Simon is nearing 25 years young.
- Sure, the CHN players mentioned haven't been let go, but do you honestly think they will reach the same achievements as LD has?? Maybe after LD retires...BCL??