Lin Dan whitewashed LCW

[bananakid]

Since Lin Dan defeated LCW in this year's Sudirman cup match in the exact same scoreline as the match he lost to LCW in this year's Swiss open, this thread is a MUST, in respond to this thread here
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67571

Here is the proper analysis:
For the great analyst we are, we saw it coming. It had to happen once Lin Dan settles his game and plays patiently.

LCW has never been and never will be invincible. Lin Dan is now ready to live up to his world best player status.

[volcom]

Man lookat how ripped Lin Dan's muscles are... Looks like he's on the prohormones lol!!!
So buff and cut.

[ctjcad]

..I didn't watch the match & it's not the same scoreline but it seems like whenever it's do or die, when it matters most, LD always finds a way to take everything in a business style...While LCW seems to wilt..

Man lookat how ripped Lin Dan's muscles are... Looks like he's on the prohormones lol!!!
So buff and cut.
..dude, LinDan might look like Arnold Schwarzenegger come the World Championships in August..:cool:

[ants]

Lcw have no answer to lindans tactics. Mentally Lin Dan was full of confidence.

[koo_fan]

Lcw have no answer to lindans tactics. Mentally Lin Dan was full of confidence.
Exactly. I feel like .. "c'mon Lee Chong Wei" In this game, the only moment we can see LCW to match LD is when this LD got stressful. ( be it the line judges etc) .
A'ha. To add on, don't ever made it look as the end the battle, Chong Wei. Show some badminton spirit to us.

[Oldhand]

Once again, Lee Chong Wei has faltered when playing on the big stage.
Is he destined to win only at the fairground, and never at the arena? :o

[james_m]

lee chong wei is weak mentally...can't get past Lin Dan!

[alana07]

Lcw have no answer to lindans tactics. Mentally Lin Dan was full of confidence.

exactly, that's the difference between boleh n tak boleh...:p

[General Foo]

Once again, Lee Chong Wei has faltered when playing on the big stage.
Is he destined to win only at the fairground, and never at the arena? :o


er...... yes... springs to mind. Such a shame half his fans cant see it haha. :D:D:D:D:p:p:p:p

[AlanY]

this is so unfair. both played brilliant badminton most of the time. the only difference was LD had engaged another gear at critical moments which is his hallmark. LCW is the only player that can push LD and match him some of the time. just imagine if not for LCW, MS will be so dull and boring. LCW is still one of the best.

[koo_fan]

this is so unfair. both played brilliant badminton most of the time. the only difference was LD had engaged another gear at critical moments which is his hallmark. LCW is the only player that can push LD and match him some of the time. just imagine if not for LCW, MS will be so dull and boring. LCW is still one of the best.
Of course he is one of the best, In fact, i think he is just second to Lin Dan.
We just need to agree that Lin Dan had whitewashed him today, in this game.

Of course he can win over lin Dan, like what happened in Swiss, but it is unlikely to happen again if he couldn't handle criticisms and come back stronger. And he need to remember that 27 millions people stand still, behind him.

[george@chongwei]

I can see Lin dan often controls the whole game everytime he play against lee chong wei;)

[kwun]

i think whitewashed is a bit too strong.

only LCW is able to engage LD in this game of chess. only the two of them have such fast and precise court coverage and shot variation. they together can push the quality of the rallies up one notch in the tactical and psychological level.

not even Taufik is able to do that. Taufik game is much more simple, net net jumpsmash jumpsmash.

LCW lost, as Alan mentioned, because he was not able to make decisive point at decisive time counts. LD can. LD at 16 or so point decides that enough is enough, step up a gear and went home with it. LCW have no response and kept wondering why LD isn't playing the same chess game anymore. when he figured out it was well beyond 21 points already.

so credit should go to both players, but more so to LD.

[Oldhand]

Of course he is one of the best, In fact, i think he is just second to Lin Dan.
We just need to agree that Lin Dan had whitewashed him today, in this game.

Of course he can win over lin Dan, like what happened in Swiss, but it is unlikely to happen again if he couldn't handle criticisms and come back stronger. And he need to remember that 27 millions people stand still, behind him.
Er, Lee Chong Wei would do better NOT to remember the 27 million.
Else, he will also be thinking about the 1,330 million behind Lin Dan :p

[Oldhand]

The irony is that Chong Wei played the game exactly as Sidek wants him to.
"Wait, wait, wait until Lin Dan runs out of patience and makes a mistake."

Unfortunately, it's Chong Wei who ended up with more mistakes.


i think whitewashed is a bit too strong.

only LCW is able to engage LD in this game of chess. only the two of them have such fast and precise court coverage and shot variation. they together can push the quality of the rallies up one notch in the tactical and psychological level.

not even Taufik is able to do that. Taufik game is much more simple, net net jumpsmash jumpsmash.

LCW lost, as Alan mentioned, because he was not able to make decisive point at decisive time counts. LD can. LD at 16 or so point decides that enough is enough, step up a gear and went home with it. LCW have no response and kept wondering why LD isn't playing the same chess game anymore. when he figured out it was well beyond 21 points already.

so credit should go to both players, but more so to LD.

Aw, come on -- Taufik does much more than that :p

[abedeng]

Tonight LD was more patient and persistent at the net, and LCW was missing some of his accuracy at both the net and the sideline.

At the times when LD lost his patience momentarily (during 2nd game just before interval), LCW came back but it seemed like LCW was only happy to draw level but not to regain the initiative. Some shot decisions when he was holding the advantage during the rally was off the mark and allowed LD to recover.

[AlanY]

what is that non-sense about white wash, if you are going to win in a best of 3 match, it will be either 2-0 or 2-1. what is the big deal? a proper white wash will be 21-0, 21-0 that i cant see it happen for the NSS.

[limsy]

Lcw have no answer to lindans tactics. Mentally Lin Dan was full of confidence.


i think whitewashed is a bit too strong.

only LCW is able to engage LD in this game of chess. only the two of them have such fast and precise court coverage and shot variation. they together can push the quality of the rallies up one notch in the tactical and psychological level.

not even Taufik is able to do that. Taufik game is much more simple, net net jumpsmash jumpsmash.

LCW lost, as Alan mentioned, because he was not able to make decisive point at decisive time counts. LD can. LD at 16 or so point decides that enough is enough, step up a gear and went home with it. LCW have no response and kept wondering why LD isn't playing the same chess game anymore. when he figured out it was well beyond 21 points already.

so credit should go to both players, but more so to LD.


Tonight LD was more patient and persistent at the net, and LCW was missing some of his accuracy at both the net and the sideline.

At the times when LD lost his patience momentarily (during 2nd game just before interval), LCW came back but it seemed like LCW was only happy to draw level but not to regain the initiative. Some shot decisions when he was holding the advantage during the rally was off the mark and allowed LD to recover.

to me,ld is too clever for lcw,same old word:rolleyes:
and today lcw lost his precise and accurate:cool:
anyway,ya
another whitewash issue,hope mod can handle this thread well:)
and bcer can more behave:)

[ants]

I would not say its a whitewash.. the score didnt shows that. But I would say what LCW is at Lin Dan's mercy. Today Lin Dan played well. LCW lost touch. Maybe Misbun is not there.

[nwy5633]

LCW jz dun hv da much needed finishing touch while LD have it all..
tat's wat i can say, his performance was good jz...
hmmm..

[charwaster]

LD and LCW have different type of body shape. LD apparently weighs more than LCW, and, unfair for other players, also has amazing cardio capacity to keep his body running and jumping all around the court. IMHO, LCW's power comes mainly from lower body and dexterity, while LD benefits from his strong biceps and core. LD's best ability is his fast recovery and fast decision. He can indeed control the games, though he sometimes seems to just give up--"ok. i'm out of this game. I won't do my best, and the one who's losing this game is not really me." As a right-handed person, I liked LCW just because his footwork is easier to follow than leftie LD's, and my body shape is also close to somewhat-skinny LCW. However, I might have to flip LD's videos with movie editor program, and follow his.

And final is between Li Ning vs. Victor? it was their good business decision to support CHN/KOR--they made "No Yonex" in the final matches!

[bananakid]

what is that non-sense about white wash, if you are going to win in a best of 3 match, it will be either 2-0 or 2-1. what is the big deal? a proper white wash will be 21-0, 21-0 that i cant see it happen for the NSS.

If you read this thread http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=67571 (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67571) then you will know how this thread title come about.

[fantastic4]

I'm wondering if Lin Dan, Lee Chong Wei, Taufik Hidayat, and Peter Gade is retired. Then will MS matches be boring ? :rolleyes:

[yourbestfriend]

I'm wondering if Lin Dan, Lee Chong Wei, Taufik Hidayat, and Peter Gade is retired. Then will MS matches be boring ? :rolleyes:

hopefully not, but to be totally honest there probably won't be players like them for a little while.

[xXazn_romeoXx]

i watched this match live...it seemed like LCW just lost focus and confidence from the crowd's chants...LD also took ample time during breaks to regain his focus after LCW gets a few points in a row, so LCW never got rhythm going...truth is, LD should've won the first game 21-12...but LD lost focus and relaxed too much and gave LCW points...the second game was pretty much what LD was about...getting it done, just not as flashy...it wasn't that entertaining to be honest...

[kittiya]

I would not say its a whitewash.. the score didnt shows that. But I would say what LCW is at Lin Dan's mercy. Today Lin Dan played well. LCW lost touch. Maybe Misbun is not there.

ants, where's misbun?

[vching]

I am not a Chong Wei fan, but I think whitewashed is a tad too strong of a word to use.

If you actually look at the match, they were almost equally matched for the most part, it was just that Lin Dan (ohmygawd, look at those arms!) managed to step it up at crucial stages.

[Jasonvan]

I am not a Chong Wei fan, but I think whitewashed is a tad too strong of a word to use.

If you actually look at the match, they were almost equally matched for the most part, it was just that Lin Dan (ohmygawd, look at those arms!) managed to step it up at crucial stages.

I think this was made to refer to the previous post of LCW whitewashing LD in the Swiss Open...

[sonnymak]

I have written before that LD is a consummate athlete flexible and powerful, agile and fast. His is a natural sportsman. If it is not badminton he would be equally good at other sports that requires the fast burst energy.

Frankly that's the difference btw LD and LCW, not that LCW smash is not powerful but LD can return LCW smashes easily because he can react faster.

The game between the two has become quite a bore but that only because the two players have now matured into a strategise and technical outmaneuvring of each other.

LD played tribute to the game when he said that this match is quite tough for him despite winning in two games.

Have y'all notice LD didnt smash as much compared to other games with LCW? That 's because LCW was delaying his shots to a fraction of a second trying to catch LD on the wrong footing and LD knows it and LD didnt want to take the risk of mistakes while smashing when he is out of position. HE won because he was more focus and use the right play at the crucial moments. LCW actually could have got closer at 18-15 but gave away the pint with his usual casualness when LD high return landed in.

LCW was on top of LD in the last rally only to have gone for the lines, he should have been more patient.

The laws of probalibilty will always favour LD and the danger for LCW now is that he may have to meet LD in SF in the next few SS series.

Fancy a PG - LD final in the future?

[laivc]

And final is between Li Ning vs. Victor? it was their good business decision to support CHN/KOR--they made "No Yonex" in the final matches![/quote]

Hahaha, minus the badminton court and the shuttlecock used in the final that is.:)

[laivc]

Actually after watching the last few encounters LD and LCW had face-offs, I can only say that these 2 are currently the Best and Second Best badminton players in the world. I think LD is able to achieve his current level of being the Best player is because he has such a strong Second Best competitor in LCW to push him very hard. This theory works both way, LCW can achieve his status as the second best player in the world is because he had such stronger LD to chase after. Whoever, be it LD or LCW, don't continue to improve will be overtaken by the other. I think this can only be good for the rest of the badminton fans like us, better matches for us to adore in the future.

[W Norman]

To Me , LD & LCW they are at another level in world badminton games , both of them a very-very good and skillfull player , by winning record , yes, agree that LD was better than LCW , LD is more accurate and powerfull , unless its doesnt happen.. than there will be LCW will become a winner . Are there mean LCW not a good player ? . No. to me he the only LD ultimate rival .. and LD after all , will be become another chapter in badminton legend story . (P/s: I'm still remember legendary Yang Yang , Morten Frost , Prakash Padukone , Icuk Surgiato, Rudy Hartono, Han Jian)

[Zealous]

Honestly, I feel that game yesterday wasn't painful to watch seeing LCW losing to LD. It seems to me that LCW played more attacking lately compare to last time. It's quite enjoying also to watch that game. Nevertheless, it'll be better if LCW beats LD. XD XD

[jasonmarc]

To me, LCW have gradually improving to match LD, from one match to the other match.
From the Olympic08, LCW was 'whitewashed' by LD, to AE09, again LCW lost but able to produced resistance to LD, able to beat LD with straight game in Swiss Open 09 and now in Sudirman Cup, LCW lost but the whole match was not one sided anymore, LCW able to match LD stroke by stroke, and managed to returned most of LD smashes and LD has less oppotunity to produces his trade mark hard jumping smashes...........so congratulation to LCW for working hard to keep improving from match to match......hope he will be able to beat LD more offen in future..............

[ants]

LCW is gradually improving to match Lin Dan. However Lin Dan is also improving himself even he is the best so far.

[Zealous]

Both of them are improving. LD is so so fast now on court. His has always been fast but his way faster now especially during Olympics. LCW in my point of view has improved alot on his attacking. Attacking more compare to before.

[eaglehelang]

I am not a Chong Wei fan, but I think whitewashed is a tad too strong of a word to use.

If you actually look at the match, they were almost equally matched for the most part, it was just that Lin Dan (ohmygawd, look at those arms!) managed to step it up at crucial stages.

It's a "reply" to the 'whitewash' thread Xball started when LD lost to LCW in Swiss SS finals.;)

[eaglehelang]

Today Lin Dan played well. LCW lost touch. Maybe Misbun is not there.

Maybe also, Misbun not there to tell LCW what new tactics to use:D;)

[eaglehelang]

Of course he can win over lin Dan, like what happened in Swiss, but it is unlikely to happen again if he couldn't handle criticisms and come back stronger. And he need to remember that 27 millions people stand still, behind him.

Make that only 30%(max) of the 27 mil, the other 70% will be saying, "cannot one lah", seriously. ;)

[hcpoirot]

The MS will be a bit boring if either one of Lin Dan or Lee Chong Wei did not play each other in the same era. Can you imagine if Lin Dan did not had LCW as his nemesis or LCW standing alone without LD?

Hope we can see more of their meeting in the future where they will play the best that they can to entertain us.

[ckloo]

what is that non-sense about white wash, if you are going to win in a best of 3 match, it will be either 2-0 or 2-1. what is the big deal? a proper white wash will be 21-0, 21-0 that i cant see it happen for the NSS.

Totally agree with you. Can you guys stop using whitewash? To me if u wanna called it whitewash then wait till you see the scoreline 21 vs < 5 then thats a whitewash! Well, having said that, I still have to admit that LCW is still second to LD both psychologically and technically.LCW is just lacking that "little bit" which I think we all and even LCW don't know what is that "little bit" that is missing. I am sure many Msian like me are very frustrated but what to do? We have to admit that LD is born with talent and LCW is through hardwork.That's what Misbun has said before. Sigh....

[ctjcad]

...in the World Championships in India in August, as LinDan most likely will not compete in the upcoming S'pore and Indonesia Open Super Series..:cool:

[bananakid]

Totally agree with you. Can you guys stop using whitewash? To me if u wanna called it whitewash then wait till you see the scoreline 21 vs < 5 then thats a whitewash! Well, having said that, I still have to admit that LCW is still second to LD both psychologically and technically.LCW is just lacking that "little bit" which I think we all and even LCW don't know what is that "little bit" that is missing. I am sure many Msian like me are very frustrated but what to do? We have to admit that LD is born with talent and LCW is through hardwork.That's what Misbun has said before. Sigh....


To those who didn't complain about the word "whitewash" when X Ball started the LCW whitewashed LD thread back in the Swiss open 2009 http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=67571 (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67571) but complain here instead, feel free to refer to this... http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...1&d=1242492087 (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54556&stc=1&d=1242492087)

To those who had already complained about the word "whitewash" before in this thread http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=67571 (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67571) then you have all the rights to complained here all you want.

[limsy]

The MS will be a bit boring if either one of Lin Dan or Lee Chong Wei did not play each other in the same era. Can you imagine if Lin Dan did not had LCW as his nemesis or LCW standing alone without LD?

Hope we can see more of their meeting in the future where they will play the best that they can to entertain us.

100% agree

anyway,guys,please give someone time and space to celebrate:)
no harm;)
dont complain.

looking forward for lcw vs lindan in wc final:)

[jbchiong]

Don't know about you guys but I think MS won't be boring even without LD and LCW. Haven't you watched the semi-final between PSH and SDK. It was great right?

PSH improved a lot especially his defense. He was doing great but lost to SDK.

[kwun]

Don't know about you guys but I think MS won't be boring even without LD and LCW. Haven't you watched the semi-final between PSH and SDK. It was great right?

PSH improved a lot especially his defense. He was doing great but lost to SDK.

i don't think any match will be boring as long as people care about it.

even a match between two local players can be exciting if enough people care about who wins. that's kinda the attractiveness of watching a match live.

however, very few people would want to go back and watch a match between two local players. there are nothing really technical and beauty in such games to justify watching it again.

but some players, their technique and play really stands out, esp when against some certain player who can bring out their very best. LD vs. LCW in recent years has been like that. they aren't neccessarily playing the most smashy game, but just that the speed and variations, placement and deceptions, pace and anticipation are above any other players. even LD vs. PSH or PSH vs. SDK didn't have that attractiveness to it.

[OneToughBirdie]

ibut some players, their technique and play really stands out, esp when against some certain player who can bring out their very best. LD vs. LCW in recent years has been like that. they aren't neccessarily playing the most smashy game, but just that the speed and variations, placement and deceptions, pace and anticipation are above any other players. even LD vs. PSH or PSH vs. SDK didn't have that attractiveness to it.

Your line above said it best as I have said I would pay to watch them play as they brought forth the beauty of baddy...what people should understand that when these 2 fellas are gone, that's it. Take both of them out of the game, it is like a dish missing 2 key ingredients.

[AlanY]

Totally agree with you. Can you guys stop using whitewash? To me if u wanna called it whitewash then wait till you see the scoreline 21 vs < 5 then thats a whitewash! Well, having said that, I still have to admit that LCW is still second to LD both psychologically and technically.LCW is just lacking that "little bit" which I think we all and even LCW don't know what is that "little bit" that is missing. I am sure many Msian like me are very frustrated but what to do? We have to admit that LD is born with talent and LCW is through hardwork.That's what Misbun has said before. Sigh....
no, technically LCW is as good as if not better than LD. it is just his playing style doesn't has that killing instinct that LD has.

[Foreverlove]

what is that non-sense about white wash, if you are going to win in a best of 3 match, it will be either 2-0 or 2-1. what is the big deal? a proper white wash will be 21-0, 21-0 that i cant see it happen for the NSS.

even you go up there and play, no one WILL do that to you, that's will be too humiliate.

So in you opinion, this word "whitewash" should not be exist at all, right?

[Foreverlove]

Totally agree with you. Can you guys stop using whitewash? To me if u wanna called it whitewash then wait till you see the scoreline 21 vs < 5 then thats a whitewash! Well, having said that, I still have to admit that LCW is still second to LD both psychologically and technically.LCW is just lacking that "little bit" which I think we all and even LCW don't know what is that "little bit" that is missing. I am sure many Msian like me are very frustrated but what to do? We have to admit that LD is born with talent and LCW is through hardwork.That's what Misbun has said before. Sigh....


http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1168486&postcount=37

[AlanY]

people can use 'whitewash' or whatever words they like but for others to agree with is another matter. i did started another tread tried to stir thing up a bit suggested CHN whitewashed the rest of the world by 21 matches to zero in this SC. unfortunately I failed as everyone seems to agree or worldnt be bother, damn!

[Foreverlove]

The MS will be a bit boring if either one of Lin Dan or Lee Chong Wei did not play each other in the same era. Can you imagine if Lin Dan did not had LCW as his nemesis or LCW standing alone without LD?

Hope we can see more of their meeting in the future where they will play the best that they can to entertain us.

in reality, LD is No.1 with or without LCW,
but
LCW still may not be the unbeatable player if there was no LD.

[Babyface]

Just watched this.
LD is definately the best singles player in the world at the moment however, i believe the difference is the belief to win even when falling behin/errors made in the game. LD seems to dig very deep into his game despite playing not up to his 100%, whilst LCW will get phased easier when he is behind or when making mistakes.
It is clearly seen that they both have each other to thank as they have both improved so much in the game that the difference between 2nd and 3rd in the world is wide.

[AlanY]

even you go up there and play, no one WILL do that to you, that's will be too humiliate.

I play badminton, not very good or even average but every time I was on court after I scored a few points with no reply and I will start to work toward a whitewash, a love game. it was easier in the old scoring system but for the 21 points it's almost impossible, at least for me.

[Foreverlove]

I play badminton, not very good or even average but every time I was on court after I scored a few points with no reply and I will start to work toward a whitewash, a love game. it was easier in the old scoring system but for the 21 points it's almost impossible, at least for me.

A love game is very likely if you play against LD or LCW, or even any professional players.

If you watched the game between LD and No.6 seed Joachim Persson

or the game between LCW and Ville Lang in AE 2009 you will agree with me.

[jaydee]

LCW lack of attacking play, maybe focus alot on defence and moving around the court.... now he should focus on his attacking imho... and he's still mentally weak when he start making mistakes. But overall lovely match...
LD wants to win so much when playing against LCW, I can see that he gives his very best. He does not look down on LCW and take things lightly...

[lagigolo]

Definitely wasn't a whitewash, regardless of the score. There was some good rallies and both players hit a little running streak.

I think LCW didn't attack enough but when he did he won most of the points.

I thought LD was pretty fired up for this game and showed it with his gestures after winning points and at the end of the match.

I would be jumping up and down if i got any points against the no. 1 let alone beat him. (This won't be happening).

Also agree LD looked pretty pumped up on his physique, arms and shoulders looked awesome. Don't know what training hes been doing but surely will help his game.

Anybody else notice he went sleeveless in this game, the earlier game against Andrew Smith (UK), he was wearing normal type. Probably knew he would sweat more and require better movement.

[AlanY]

Anybody else notice he went sleeveless in this game, the earlier game against Andrew Smith (UK), he was wearing normal type. Probably knew he would sweat more and require better movement.
intimidation!! LD is a size or two bigger than LCW, if you can use it to your advantage, why not?

[volcom]

Definitely wasn't a whitewash, regardless of the score. There was some good rallies and both players hit a little running streak.

I think LCW didn't attack enough but when he did he won most of the points.

I thought LD was pretty fired up for this game and showed it with his gestures after winning points and at the end of the match.

I would be jumping up and down if i got any points against the no. 1 let alone beat him. (This won't be happening).

Also agree LD looked pretty pumped up on his physique, arms and shoulders looked awesome. Don't know what training hes been doing but surely will help his game.

Anybody else notice he went sleeveless in this game, the earlier game against Andrew Smith (UK), he was wearing normal type. Probably knew he would sweat more and require better movement.
When LCW attacked with smashes, they were defended quite easily, and that took a toll on him in the next few rallies.

[Jonc108]

LD is simply the best, hands down, much better than LCW...

Yes, LD is not invincible and LCW did beat LD this year, once or twice every year as well in the past. However, the best in the world need not to win every and each match, but the one that possess the ability to win whenever matters and have a winning head-to-head record with their major rivals. (No world best in any sports could have 100% head-to-head winning over their rivals, look at Tiger Woods, Nadal, Federer, Lance Armstrong, Steffi Graf... etc, but everyone could still remember them as the best in their era and no-one would deny such by simply quoting their ever defeats by their closest rivals.).

LCW is simply the best runners-up and LD's closest rival, and he also is a class above the rest of contenders for this post, at least for the moment. Similarly, occassional defeat to other contenders does not deprive him from such fact.

Their last match at Sudirman Cup semi is the best reflection of their abilities, even a more true reflection that their OG final, in my opinion.

In OG08, LCW was caught by surprise on LD's sudden raise of level and thwarted by the atmosphere, and resulted in a lopside defeat.

In last weekend's match, both were well prepared for the match last Saturday, both were at their top form, physically and mentally, both were concentrated in the match and with played with good confidence. There were many deception plays, but almost all were returned, seemed that both players were able to predict the possible deception plays from their opponent.

Both players fully demonstrated the features of their technical characteristics in this match:
LD:
more aggressive in general, more lethal attacks, but also more unforced errors (you could look at their statistics, LD lost much more points on UF errors than LCW), mostly in control of the match pace, able to change tactics to take crucial points when necessary.
LCW:
more patient, more consistent (much fewer unforced errors, and therefore won more long-rally plays), good at defence, many deceptive plays.
This match could be a classic technique teachning materials for years as both players demonstrated full range and good display of badminton techniques and strategies.

Credit to both players, they make badminton more spectacular and attractive.

Credit to LCW, without him, LD may lack a major incentive in keeping him pushed for better games and brought the best out of himself (just look at LD's match at the final with PSH...)

... btw, also simply hope LCW could talk less and do more to become a real rival to LD (I was simply not impressed by LCW's statement before Sudirman Cup that he was never beaten by LD in team events, which in fact just had 2 meetings previously..., such lip service just reminded people his lack of confidence in beating LD)
... hope he would not say he is still holding a leading 2-1 head-to-head in team events over LD prior to next year's TC in Malaysia.... :D

[AlanY]

... btw, also simply hope LCW could talk less and do more to become a real rival to LD (I was simply not impressed by LCW's statement before Sudirman Cup that he was never beaten by LD in team events, which in fact just had 2 meetings previously..., such lip service just reminded people his lack of confidence in beating LD)
not to mention that one was when CHN was already 4-0 up in the tie.

[yen_saw]

LD is getting beefy too. I wonder if he has ever been tested for drugs;)

[Oldhand]

LD is getting beefy too. I wonder if he has ever been tested for drugs;)
Drug testing is mandatory at the Olympic Games.
And he's had this physique for a long time now ;)

[koo_fan]

intimidation!! LD is a size or two bigger than LCW, if you can use it to your advantage, why not?
Owh, i did recalled AE'03 Final. Hafiz vs Chen Hong. Not so much different, though. HAfiz was so .. skinny. ~ .

[volcom]

Owh, i did recalled AE'03 Final. Hafiz vs Chen Hong. Not so much different, though. HAfiz was so .. skinny. ~ .
Hafiz was actually fit... what a rare occurance

[koo_fan]

Hafiz was actually fit... what a rare occurance
I suggest you are talking about the '03 Ae winner. Because ..hafiz ? fit?

[ants]

Fit may not equal to muscle mass.

[ctjcad]

intimidation!! LD is a size or two bigger than LCW, if you can use it to your advantage, why not?

Owh, i did recalled AE'03 Final. Hafiz vs Chen Hong. Not so much different, though. HAfiz was so .. skinny. ~ .

Fit may not equal to muscle mass.
..Kenneth Jonassen, Peter Gade, Joachim Persson in comparison to LCW??..i'm sure the former 3 are probably more "studly" looking than LCW..Yet, LCW probably has better records against them..;)

I think between LD vs. LCW, it all boils down to LD, himself. If he wants it, he can and will get it done. Time to look fw to the WC in August for another round between these 2 players..:cool:

[Athelete1234]

The problem is LD has the firepower, explosiveness, and overall stroke deception which can penetrate LCW's defenses, unlike KJ, PG, and JP. LCW really lacks the power in his smash, and also the explosiveness to get himself into an offensive position (notice how LD's smashes almost come out of nowhere and LCW isn't prepared to block them, but LD is always ready when LCW wants to do a smash).

[cooler]

The irony is that Chong Wei played the game exactly as Sidek wants him to.
"Wait, wait, wait until Lin Dan runs out of patience and makes a mistake."

Unfortunately, it's Chong Wei who ended up with more mistakes.



Aw, come on -- Taufik does much more than that :pTH's backhands look cool:)

[cooler]

Tonight LD was more patient and persistent at the net, and LCW was missing some of his accuracy at both the net and the sideline.

At the times when LD lost his patience momentarily (during 2nd game just before interval), LCW came back but it seemed like LCW was only happy to draw level but not to regain the initiative. Some shot decisions when he was holding the advantage during the rally was off the mark and allowed LD to recover.well, at such high level, it's all about mental and energy management. Thx god that the NSS to 21 still allow game tactical and not all about 100% dash to the finish line.

[cooler]

what is that non-sense about white wash, if you are going to win in a best of 3 match, it will be either 2-0 or 2-1. what is the big deal? a proper white wash will be 21-0, 21-0 that i cant see it happen for the NSS.
read post #1, bananakid was just borrowing this whitewash phrase from the bolehians.

[cooler]

I would not say its a whitewash.. the score didnt shows that. But I would say what LCW is at Lin Dan's mercy. Today Lin Dan played well. LCW lost touch. Maybe Misbun is not there.
problem is, when lcw lost, some say misbun was there (OG), and won when misbun wasn't there (09 Swiss open). Maybe it's seasonal dependent too

[cooler]

i watched this match live...it seemed like LCW just lost focus and confidence from the crowd's chants...LD also took ample time during breaks to regain his focus after LCW gets a few points in a row, so LCW never got rhythm going...truth is, LD should've won the first game 21-12...but LD lost focus and relaxed too much and gave LCW points...the second game was pretty much what LD was about...getting it done, just not as flashy...it wasn't that entertaining to be honest...
i have said before, LD is generous, he would allow his lesser opponents some breathing room. Only time he wasn't generous was the 08 OG

[cooler]

LCW lack of attacking play, maybe focus alot on defence and moving around the court.... now he should focus on his attacking imho... and he's still mentally weak when he start making mistakes. But overall lovely match...
LD wants to win so much when playing against LCW, I can see that he gives his very best. He does not look down on LCW and take things lightly...in the post game interview, ld said he respect lcw highly. He doesnt take the win for granted when playing against lcw.

[koo_fan]

in the post game interview, ld said he respect lcw highly. He doesnt take the win for granted when playing against lcw.
So, is he generous ?

[cooler]

So, is he generous ?yup, cooler is generous to repeat this many many times over again:D:)

[koo_fan]

yup, cooler is generous to repeat this many many times over again:D:)
Of course, no doubt bout that. My concern is for Lin dan. Cooler? Generosity is best described you. ~

[indra]

LD's real opponent now is Sony Dwi Kuncoro...

[volcom]

LD's real opponent now is Sony Dwi Kuncoro...
agreed.... :D:D:D:D

[lagigolo]

LD is getting beefy too. I wonder if he has ever been tested for drugs;)

If he gets too beefy, he won't be able to fully outstretch his arm.

He will only be good for backhand serving..:D

[The Boxer]

The problem is LD has the firepower, explosiveness, and overall stroke deception which can penetrate LCW's defenses, unlike KJ, PG, and JP. LCW really lacks the power in his smash, and also the explosiveness to get himself into an offensive position (notice how LD's smashes almost come out of nowhere and LCW isn't prepared to block them, but LD is always ready when LCW wants to do a smash).

I think to be 2nd after LD is no shame.

[Jonc108]

I think to be 2nd after LD is no shame.

Totally agree...

but it is always the fans not feeling comfortable on such and always try to twist the reality in the forum...

[cooler]

LD's real opponent now is Sony Dwi Kuncoro... i thot simon santoso was touted as the next saviour to replace TH? Now it's back to SDK?

[koo_fan]

i thot simon santoso was touted as the next saviour to replace TH? Now it's back to SDK?
Yeah.. which is which la.

[limsy]

well,i think simon is better than lcw now:rolleyes:;):D:p:cool:

[bradmyster]

I dont know why people are taking swipes at LCW saying hes mentally weak and fails on the big stage..... #1 Its Lin Dan. His playing style is aggressive attacking at a very high pace. When he feels under pressure or wants to extend his lead he will inject even more pace into the match.
#2 Lee Chong Wei plays the total opposite. He is very steady and patient. very defensive and relys more or less on mistakes from the opposition to gain himself points.

The 2 different styles clash and attacking speed is almost always going to beat a slower steady defensive game.

[AlanY]

The 2 different styles clash and attacking speed is almost always going to beat a slower steady defensive game.
you obviously never watched the great Han Jian played. he and LCW have a similar style that based on very good footwork, great defense to grind the opponents down. their playing styles are great to watch and not always ended as losers!

[cooler]

you obviously never watched the great Han Jian played. he and LCW have a similar style that based on very good footwork, great defense to grind the opponents down. their playing styles are great to watch and not always ended as losers! if han jian try playing in the NSS, he wouldn't be winning as much

[pralinescream]

everybody without bias can see clearly that lcw is no where near lin dan.but if compare badminton players he is the closest. for example,
no.1 lin dan


no.20 lee chong wei
no. 21 taufik hidayat

when lin dan wanna win, nobody can stop him.

[extremenanopowe]

haiz... great players come and go.. So, just enjoy it while you can. There's always a better one in the future. ;)

[HiddenPower]

Since Lin Dan defeated LCW in this year's Sudirman cup match in the exact same scoreline as the match he lost to LCW in this year's Swiss open, this thread is a MUST...

Well said, hehe:cool:

[AlanY]

if han jian try playing in the NSS, he wouldn't be winning as much
well, i'm stay well clear of the now against the past legends. thank you.

[OneToughBirdie]

everybody without bias can see clearly that lcw is no where near lin dan.but if compare badminton players he is the closest. for example,
no.1 lin dan


no.20 lee chong wei
no. 21 taufik hidayat

when lin dan wanna win, nobody can stop him.

Agree with you. The bigger the game the better LD plays, LD's intensity/focus/concentration increases when all the marble are on the line and that is evident given the majors he won. History one day (in my opinion) would rank LD as the best 1-2 players CHN has ever produced, one more OLY gold (I definietly think LD could win OLY12) would definitely put LD over the top. I would rank ZJH as the other 1-2, and that is bias opinion cos ZJH is my favorite player, I just like the guy. It is quite unfortunate LCW to play in the era of a TH and LD, LCW in my opinion is one very good and exciting player that MAS produced, simply that he is eclipsed by TH and LD, and that is not a bad thing given that TH and LD are legends in their own country. Enjoy these 3 players while they are still kicking around, there will be a void when they depart the game.;):)

[X Ball]

Tonight LD was more patient and persistent at the net, and LCW was missing some of his accuracy at both the net and the sideline.

At the times when LD lost his patience momentarily (during 2nd game just before interval), LCW came back but it seemed like LCW was only happy to draw level but not to regain the initiative. Some shot decisions when he was holding the advantage during the rally was off the mark and allowed LD to recover.

Good analysis.

LD was playing well and LCW was a bit flustered (may the loud home crowd was a factor).

I say LD would have to be concerned with LCW in the World Championship in Hyderabad - it will not be home ground anymore.

I expect another reversal by LCW - just as he did in the SWISS Open.:)

[ye333]

To me it's simple. LD was faster than LCW on that day. That's why he was patient etc etc throughout the match. On the contrary, LD was slower than LCW in Swiss final, and we all saw his frustration.

On the other hand, I think in AE final the two were similar in term of speed, but LD's confidence and maturity played an important role at crucial moments.


Good analysis.

LD was playing well and LCW was a bit flustered (may the loud home crowd was a factor).

I say LD would have to be concerned with LCW in the World Championship in Hyderabad - it will not be home ground anymore.

I expect another reversal by LCW - just as he did in the SWISS Open.:)

[X Ball]

To me it's simple. LD was faster than LCW on that day. That's why he was patient etc etc throughout the match. On the contrary, LD was slower than LCW in Swiss final, and we all saw his frustration.

On the other hand, I think in AE final the two were similar in term of speed, but LD's confidence and maturity played an important role at crucial moments.

Look, LD is just awesome when he gets going. I thought his sleeveless shirt showing off the new beefy muscles is fantastic. He is definitely charisma plus. All the chinese gals must be all shooked up. :D

LCW lost the moment he stepped out to court, intimidated somewhat I am sure.:D The guy has to develop his own charisma, being the humble guy is no longer the way to show confidence. I feel in many ways his humble approach is not good for him -- it does not strike fear in your opponents. If I were him, I would don myself with spikes to courtside to match LD. Now that would give me lots of confidence.:D

[cooler]

Look, LD is just awesome when he gets going. I thought his sleeveless shirt showing off the new beefy muscles is fantastic. He is definitely charisma plus. All the chinese gals must be all shooked up. :D

LCW lost the moment he stepped out to court, intimidated somewhat I am sure.:D The guy has to develop his own charisma, being the humble guy is no longer the way to show confidence. I feel in many ways his humble approach is not good for him -- it does not strike fear in your opponents. If I were him, I would don myself with spikes to courtside to match LD. Now that would give me lots of confidence.:D but would risk lcw losing his post as the UNICEF goodwill ambassador. U can't have it both ways.

[indra]

LD is not as super as he is.....he is good only when playing in China and countries with non-tropical climate...

Once he has to play in tropical countries like Southeast Asia [Ina, malaysia, Singapore, Thailand], he tends to withdraw from competing...

[bananakid]

LD is not as super as he is.....he is good only when playing in China and countries with non-tropical climate...

Once he has to play in tropical countries like Southeast Asia [Ina, malaysia, Singapore, Thailand], he tends to withdraw from competing...

Let me refresh your memory:

First of all, the thread title is Lin Dan whitewashed LCW, and whether Lin Dan plays or withdraws from competing in any part of the world has nothing to do with Lin Dan thrashing LCW once again.

Second, Lin Dan won 2007 World championship that was held in Malaysia, Thailand open 2008, and he won all his matches in Thomas cup 2004 which was held in Indonesia.

After all that time of hibernation, may be you should do some research before you come back and try to discredit Lin Dan to put over your hero Taufik.

[indra]

Let me refresh your memory:

First of all, the thread title is Lin Dan whitewashed LCW, and whether Lin Dan plays or withdraws from competing in any part of the world has nothing to do with Lin Dan thrashing LCW once again.

Second, Lin Dan won 2007 World championship that was held in Malaysia, Thailand open 2008, and he won all his matches in Thomas cup 2004 which was held in Indonesia.

After all that time of hibernation, may be you should do some research before you come back and try to discredit Lin Dan to put over your hero Taufik.

It all happened when TH was injured...LD won his elite titles in the absence of TH [injury], due to assistance of his Chinese fellows, and playing in China-friendly environment

[bananakid]

LD is not as super as he is.....he is good only when playing in China and countries with non-tropical climate...

Once he has to play in tropical countries like Southeast Asia [Ina, malaysia, Singapore, Thailand], he tends to withdraw from competing...


Let me refresh your memory:

First of all, the thread title is Lin Dan whitewashed LCW, and whether Lin Dan plays or withdraws from competing in any part of the world has nothing to do with Lin Dan thrashing LCW once again.

Second, Lin Dan won 2007 World championship that was held in Malaysia, Thailand open 2008, and he won all his matches in Thomas cup 2004 which was held in Indonesia.

After all that time of hibernation, may be you should do some research before you come back and try to discredit Lin Dan to put over your hero Taufik.


It all happened when TH was injured...LD won his elite titles in the absence of TH [injury], due to assistance of his Chinese fellows, and playing in China-friendly environment


dude... are you drunk? Do you know how this post contradict with your previous post? Please don't DRINK and TYPE.:rolleyes:

No... let's put it this way... do you even know what you are talking about?
Since when has Malaysia(WC07), Indonesia(TC04), and Thailand(open 08) all of a sudden becomes a "China-friendly" environment now, when you just said Lin Dan hates to play in those places in your previous post?:confused::confused::confused:

I just realized that Taufik was injured(may be mentally injured after all his losses) or absent from OG 08 as well

[indra]

dude... are you drunk? Do you know how this post contradict with your previous post? Please don't DRINK and TYPE.:rolleyes:

No... let's put it this way... do you even know what you are talking about?
Since when has Malaysia(WC07), Indonesia(TC04), and Thailand(open 08) all of a sudden becomes a "China-friendly" environment now, when you just said Lin Dan hates to play in those places in your previous post?:confused::confused::confused:

I just realized that Taufik was injured(may be mentally injured after all his losses) or absent from OG 08 as well

Until now LD has always been afraid of playing in Southeast Asia...
LD will not play in Singapore and Indonesia this year...he is getting scared of playing in these two places...because he knows that the true test of his "being an olympic and world champion" is playing in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia.

LD looks powerful when playing in China and countries of non-tropical climate...but when invited to come to Southeast Asia....the answer is " I am concentrating on whatever"...

He won Olympic because of the assistance of his fellow players
He won the World Cup because of the assistance of his fellow players
All England ==> the same

Please come to SIngapore, Malaysia and Indonesia...

LD: Oh...no ...no...no....to those nightmare countries.....

[bananakid]

Until now LD has always been afraid of playing in Southeast Asia...
LD will not play in Singapore and Indonesia this year...he is getting scared of playing in these two places...because he knows that the true test of his "being an olympic and world champion" is playing in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia.

LD looks powerful when playing in China and countries of non-tropical climate...but when invited to come to Southeast Asia....the answer is " I am concentrating on whatever"...

He won Olympic because of the assistance of his fellow players
He won the World Cup because of the assistance of his fellow players
All England ==> the same

Please come to SIngapore, Malaysia and Indonesia...

LD: Oh...no ...no...no....to those nightmare countries.....

Last year Taufik was supposed to come to Toronto Canada, then he changed his mind at the last moment, and so many of us were disappointed... does that mean he is afraid of the Canadian badminton national team so badly as well???:confused:

Please come to Canada...

Taufik: Oh... no... no... no... I don't want to be beaten in badminton by those Canadians.


I am not going to bother with you any longer, you seem to be too drunk to know what you are talking about. Until next time, so long.

[ctjcad]

..he did come to Vancouver, CAN recently, as posted in the Places to Play&Local Events->Canada West sub-forum. See thread below:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66905

Maybe Taufik is afraid of the cold weather...:p;)

*LinDan did come to play in S'pore & M'sia Open SS over the last 4 yrs, however he hasn't won anything in those tourneys. Only WC title to show for. INA Open SS is the one he's been avoiding since '04, for some reason..

[bananakid]

..he did come to Vancouver, CAN recently, as posted in the Places to Play&Local Events->Canada West sub-forum. See thread below:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66905

Maybe Taufik is afraid of the cold weather...:p;)

*LinDan did come to play in S'pore & M'sia Open SS over the last 4 yrs, however he hasn't won anything in those tourneys. Only WC title to show for.

Not to Toronto though... that's where a lot of Canadian national team members are. :cool:


I can't believe you used the word "only" before WC title... how many players wish they can have that "only" WC title. just ask LCW. LOL:p

Why would Lin Dan care about a Ina open or a Mas open, when he has to deal with aggressive and loud crowds only to win at most $20,000 US when he easily make millions doing easier task working with his sponsors?
Unless it is for a worthy cause, like WC, Sudirman cup, or Thomas cup, otherwise why put himself(worth millions) in a situation of not enough value for his effort.

[ctjcad]

...Why would Lin Dan care about a Ina open or a Mas open, when he has to deal with aggressive and loud crowds only to win at most $20,000 US when he easily make millions doing easier task working with his sponsors?
Unless it is for a worthy cause, like WC, Sudirman cup, or Thomas cup, otherwise why put himself(worth millions) in a situation of not enough value for his effort.
..that's the 1 million dollar question for LinDan to answer & for us to find out..;)
*Again, it's only the INA Open which he has missed the last 4 yrs. If not for last yr's TC in Jakarta, he probably would've skipped playing there altogether.
Oh, come on, is LinDan really under-estimating the prize money of the Super Series that he thinks he doesn't need to come & win it??..:p ;)

[pjswift]

Not to Toronto though... that's where a lot of Canadian national team members are. :cool:


I can't believe you used the word "only" before WC title... how many players wish they can have that "only" WC title. just ask LCW. LOL:p

Why would Lin Dan care about a Ina open or a Mas open, when he has to deal with aggressive and loud crowds only to win at most $20,000 US when he easily make millions doing easier task working with his sponsors?
Unless it is for a worthy cause, like WC, Sudirman cup, or Thomas cup, otherwise why put himself(worth millions) in a situation of not enough value for his effort.
The test of a true champion is defeating a worthwhile opponent with the crowd against him. Haven't seen that in any current top MS yet. Not LCW, LD, PG or TH (ok ,maybe PG did it once vs LD in CHN.)

[tommy_bun]

LD was playing well and LCW was a bit flustered (may the loud home crowd was a factor).

I say LD would have to be concerned with LCW in the World Championship in Hyderabad - it will not be home ground anymore.


then LCW should concern with the food,I dont want him to have food poisoing anymore :p:D

[pjswift]

Good analysis.

LD was playing well and LCW was a bit flustered (may the loud home crowd was a factor).

I say LD would have to be concerned with LCW in the World Championship in Hyderabad - it will not be home ground anymore.

I expect another reversal by LCW - just as he did in the SWISS Open.:)
yes,abedeng's observations' spot on!
I wouldn't worry about LCW's handling of the CHN crowd. He's getting there.
Based on LD's body language, LCW would be better off with a different strategy.

[indra]

Not to Toronto though... that's where a lot of Canadian national team members are. :cool:


I can't believe you used the word "only" before WC title... how many players wish they can have that "only" WC title. just ask LCW. LOL:p

Why would Lin Dan care about a Ina open or a Mas open, when he has to deal with aggressive and loud crowds only to win at most $20,000 US when he easily make millions doing easier task working with his sponsors?
Unless it is for a worthy cause, like WC, Sudirman cup, or Thomas cup, otherwise why put himself(worth millions) in a situation of not enough value for his effort.

I can guarantee LD will NEVER dare to come to Singapore alone, let to Malaysia and Ina....Never....and Never.. Most [90%] of LD's individual titles were won because LD was accompanied by at least 3 other MSs whose job was to pave LD's way to the championship podium ....

It is true that LD won many titles...but actually his titles do not belong to him....the titles he has had should actually be divided by 4 players [Chen Jin, Bao, and Chen Hong]...

[laivc]

[quote=indra;1172769]I can guarantee LD will NEVER dare to come to Singapore alone, let to Malaysia and Ina....Never....and Never.. Most [90%] of LD's individual titles were won because LD was accompanied by at least 3 other MSs whose job was to pave LD's way to the championship podium ....
quote]

Pls write properly if you want people who read here to be able to comprehend your ideas properly. What do you mean by "LD will NEVER dare to come to Singapore alone, let to Malaysia and Ina"? Do you mean by Singapore, Malaysia and Ina (not sure where Ina is) are so unsafe for LD to come and visit or perhap you mean, Singapore, Malaysia and Ina have a lot of ghosts around?!!!:mad:

By the way, whether LD or any Chinese players will play in any competitions, be it Singapore Open, Indonesia Open or China Open, will certainly not be the players' discretions to decide. It will be LYB's and the Chinese coaching team's discretions to decide which players to play in which tournaments. The decision made will be based on a lot of factors: can be to let younger players gain experiences for international competitions, can be to let a certain players to gain form and momentum before a big Tournament or returning from injury, can be to let certain players to gain enough points to qualify for end of the year's Super Series Master Final, or even simply just to let, eg, LD "whitewash" the hell out of TH & a certain LCW (to relate back to this thread) in tropical countries' badminton tounaments just prove someone's opinions are wrong or right, etc. One thing is for sure, any decisions made are certainly based on the facts that Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia (not sure where Ina is) are safe and civilised places to visit and compete in tournaments, even ALONE!:mad:

[koo_fan]

I don't think Indra mentioned anything about the unsafety of INA, SIN and MAS. At least, i din get it that way. ~ LD needs 'friends' to win in tournaments in these 3 countries. ~ I don't agree. Well, when the crowd go against him, isn't this the most appropriate time to use his powerful mental strength. He is famous for that, isn't he?

[cooler]

It all happened when TH was injured...LD won his elite titles in the absence of TH [injury], due to assistance of his Chinese fellows, and playing in China-friendly environment


I can guarantee LD will NEVER dare to come to Singapore alone, let to Malaysia and Ina....Never....and Never.. Most [90%] of LD's individual titles were won because LD was accompanied by at least 3 other MSs whose job was to pave LD's way to the championship podium ....

It is true that LD won many titles...but actually his titles do not belong to him....the titles he has had should actually be divided by 4 players [Chen Jin, Bao, and Chen Hong]...

hahaha, lots of old excuses and new ones as well.
TH lose because of injury, TH lost because of LD's assistants LOL
BTW, why TH has injury? did he fall down too much? not fit enough due to poor physical condition? Isn't that's part of being a good athlete, by staying in top form? (if we don't count accidental injury)

Now i read the new twist of whining is that LD can't win oversea. It's like lil poor kids making fun of other kids that are wearing better clothings. Point is, LD has the titles and earnings to show for it, picking on where he can and can not play is a moot point that whiners use after exhausting their normal excuses of supporting their hero losing records.

The all england open is a perfect neutral ground for any asian players to play on. How come TH can't win?, how come lcw can't win? how come LHI can't win?

[laivc]

The all england open is a perfect neutral ground for any asian players to play on. How come TH can't win?, how come lcw can't win? how come LHI can't win?[/quote]

Too cold?:rolleyes:

[huangkwokhau]

Last year Taufik was supposed to come to Toronto Canada, then he changed his mind at the last moment, and so many of us were disappointed... does that mean he is afraid of the Canadian badminton national team so badly as well???:confused:

Please come to Canada...

Taufik: Oh... no... no... no... I don't want to be beaten in badminton by those Canadians.


I am not going to bother with you any longer, you seem to be too drunk to know what you are talking about. Until next time, so long.
TH did not come to to Toronto due to unproffessional organizer...pls get it right!!
I guess someone knows just how to talk..how about your Pater Gade...he did not show up at Vancouver as well....

[bananakid]

TH did not come to to Toronto due to unproffessional organizer...pls get it right!!
I guess someone knows just how to talk..how about your Pater Gade...he did not show up at Vancouver as well....

Cool down, man... Indra and me are just b.s'ing each other...

It's not like I really believe Taufik is afraid of the Canadian badminton players, maybe when he gets to about 60 years old, then the Canadian top player may have a good chance.:D

[cooler]

Cool down, man... Indra and me are just b.s'ing each other...

It's not like I really believe Taufik is afraid of the Canadian badminton players, maybe when he gets to about 60 years old, then the Canadian top player may have a good chance.:Di bet by that time, old indra still bet on TH;)

[bananakid]

i bet by that time, old indra still bet on TH;)

:D:D:D may be out of respect, TH will still get a mercy victory after all.:p

[huangkwokhau]

:D:D:D may be out of respect, TH will still get a mercy victory after all.:p
:D:D...LD will still get a mercy victory as all.....when he gets 50..not 60..lol

[bananakid]

:D:D...LD will still get a mercy victory as all.....when he gets 50..not 60..lol

seems like there is a generation gap between us(in terms of jokes), even though we are only may be 10-12 years old apart. :eek: Changing the name but using the same idea isn't exactly particularly funny.:(

[huangkwokhau]

seems like there is a generation gap between us(in terms of jokes), even though we are only may be 10-12 years old apart. :eek: Changing the name but using the same idea isn't exactly particularly funny.:(
I know where you are going from here....it is not funny to make fun of the player about getting 60 ..etc...The US boy can beat LD as well when he is 60...thats not funny...yes..thats generation gap ..you think it is funny but for us it is not...just like Indra's teasing you...is that funny to you???:rolleyes:

[HiddenPower]

It's a lot of fun when we have die-hard fans like INDRA (TH) and X-BALL (LCW), :P

[Ajaib]

it's totally WHITEWASHED... when Lcw beat LD,, even if the score is not 21-0 21-0 u all bolehian fans said it is whitewashed,,, and now u bolehian fans want to say that it is not whitewashed?????

LD RULES......

[alana07]

ite been almost 1 week already, and the whitewashing's still continuing?

[drifit]

ite been almost 1 week already, and the whitewashing's still continuing?
not white enough. still need more washing. good detergent is a must. ;)

[eaglehelang]

not white enough. still need more washing. good detergent is a must. ;)

Dont forget, use bleach, more white. :p

[extremenanopowe]

Well the fact is the chicken doesn't dare to come to malaysia, singapore and indonesia. Sad story for the fans here. Some say he prefer to go phillipines. Meeting with swine flu? ;)

People will still respect him. be it if he win or loose. People want participation and entertainment from the best. Value for money. ;)

[bananakid]

Well the fact is the chicken doesn't dare to come to malaysia, singapore and indonesia. Sad story for the fans here. Some say he prefer to go phillipines. Meeting with swine flu? ;)

People will still respect him. be it if he win or loose. People want participation and entertainment from the best. Value for money. ;)

Why doesn't LCW come to Canada, USA, and Mexico?:rolleyes: There is Canada open, US open, and etc

People will still respect him. be it if he win or loose. People want participation and entertainment from the best. Value for money. ;)

[koo_fan]

Well the fact is the chicken doesn't dare to come to malaysia, singapore and indonesia. Sad story for the fans here. Some say he prefer to go phillipines. Meeting with swine flu? ;)


It is just not fair to say Lin Dan "does not dare" . I'll be disappointed if it was true, you know.

[mikeyapkf]

The fact remains....LD is the stronger player. His only weakness is he is very impulsive and explosive...and make mistakes if provoked. Nowadays he is keeping his cool and this cut down on that weakness and make his opponent feeling the pressure because his defense is solid and attacking play is very sharp. To stay on top of him, you must be a very strong player in stamina, attack, defense and mentally strong. LCW is still a class below...and he need to work more on his attacking. You can see he is very good when he attacks but that he only got 1 or 2 good shots. He cannot keep attacking because his stamina is limited. When LD is able to counter his attack, he seems to give up attack and lose focus. He is not playing an offensive game and start to defense too often. He also makes mistakes because he is being pressured too much.

[jasonmarc]

Dont forget, use bleach, more white. :p

The famous brand of bleach 'Pemuda'....hasnt arrived yet......so still not white enough..mah.....just some normal brand like the 'bananakid' and 'cooler' are just not strong enough.....to get a perfect white.........:D:D:D:D

[LazyBuddy]

Well the fact is the chicken doesn't dare to come to malaysia, singapore and indonesia. Sad story for the fans here. Some say he prefer to go phillipines. Meeting with swine flu? ;)

People will still respect him. be it if he win or loose. People want participation and entertainment from the best. Value for money. ;)


LCW does not dare to come to New York Open. Because he's afraid to be "whitewashed" by joe-doe like me? :rolleyes:

[george@chongwei]

Why doesn't LCW come to Canada, USA, and Mexico?:rolleyes: There is Canada open, US open, and etc

People will still respect him. be it if he win or loose. People want participation and entertainment from the best. Value for money. ;)


LCW does not dare to come to New York Open. Because he's afraid to be "whitewashed" by joe-doe like me? :rolleyes:
oh then if in this case its just LCW, then what about lin dan and all other top players?:rolleyes:

[indra]

IMO, LD is not as super as you have thought..As long as he has not won a title in Indonesia. LCW won once...so LCW in my opinion is A LOT stronger mentally and physically than LD...Playing in Jakarta is totally different from playing elsewhere. Jakarta is the "most extreme" ground of BWF SS.

TH and LCW have no worry at all to play in China and other places where most Chinese players feel at home or comfortable.

If the decision is up to LYB, it is because LYB knows that LD will not be able to handle the "extreme condition" in Ina SS.

[limsy]

It's a lot of fun when we have die-hard fans like INDRA (TH) and X-BALL (LCW), :P

bananakid(lindan) is not included?:eek:

[eaglehelang]

oh then if in this case its just LCW, then what about lin dan and all other top players?:rolleyes:
Haha, swine flu lah george. The ministry of health advised better not to go. Msia swimming team didnt go for a tourney in US. :p

Plus, US & Canada tourney not SS or GP Gold, the seniors are not sent for GP level tourneys, less points mah. If go also it's the juniors/independents to go.;)

[X Ball]

yes,abedeng's observations' spot on!
I wouldn't worry about LCW's handling of the CHN crowd. He's getting there.
Based on LD's body language, LCW would be better off with a different strategy.


Yup agree that he should adopt a new strategy. He should take a page from LD and 'express' himself better : LD is showing off his muscles, very obvious.

LCW could show off his midriff - his six-packs must be awesome. We need to be entertained as fans !:D I am sure WMC would not mind.

[The Boxer]

IMO, LD is not as super as you have thought..As long as he has not won a title in Indonesia. LCW won once...so LCW in my opinion is A LOT stronger mentally and physically than LD...Playing in Jakarta is totally different from playing elsewhere. Jakarta is the "most extreme" ground of BWF SS.

TH and LCW have no worry at all to play in China and other places where most Chinese players feel at home or comfortable.

If the decision is up to LYB, it is because LYB knows that LD will not be able to handle the "extreme condition" in Ina SS.

In football, Brazil is one of the best teams in the world. They have won numerous World Cups. But can we say that Brazil is still not great simply because they have not won the WC in tough venues like Istanbul?

I mean though I like LCW a lot, I must say he is nowhere when it comes to head to head with LD nor titles won. LD have basically won all the big titles in badminton. And mind you, the last WC was held in KL, and LD won it.

To say that LD is not great simply because he has not won anything in Indonesia is weak. And I m sorry Jakarta is not the most extreme ground for badminton. Infact, Jakarta is just another venue like the others. The Thomas Cup was held there in 2004 & 2008, and China were the winners.

[cooler]

oh then if in this case its just LCW, then what about lin dan and all other top players?:rolleyes:but georgie boy, we did not start going around saying ' LD afraid of playing in SG, MAL and INA'. We were only mocking bolenian's excuses.

[cooler]

IMO, LD is not as super as you have thought..As long as he has not won a title in Indonesia. LCW won once...so LCW in my opinion is A LOT stronger mentally and physically than LD...Playing in Jakarta is totally different from playing elsewhere. Jakarta is the "most extreme" ground of BWF SS.

TH and LCW have no worry at all to play in China and other places where most Chinese players feel at home or comfortable.

If the decision is up to LYB, it is because LYB knows that LD will not be able to handle the "extreme condition" in Ina SS.


It all happened when TH was injured...LD won his elite titles in the absence of TH [injury], due to assistance of his Chinese fellows, and playing in China-friendly environment


what's the point of whitewashing TH or LCW in their home ground? New excuses for LCW and TH would surely follow after that. Aren't LD's current winning record said enough about who will white washing who?

[cooler]

yes,abedeng's observations' spot on!
I wouldn't worry about LCW's handling of the CHN crowd. He's getting there.
Based on LD's body language, LCW would be better off with a different strategy.yup, it seem that when lcw lost, he used the wrong strategy. Question is, why lcw is holding back his good strategies? He should use them, as least on LD.

[Han]

yup, it seem that when lcw lost, he used the wrong strategy. Question is, why lcw is holding back his good strategies? He should use them, as least on LD.

These 2 players know each other games inside out so strategy is not the key to their success rather execution is the one. If both players perform to their true potential then Lin Dan has a upper hand with his size and power. Now we know why Chinese always pick the players with good height, it doesn have advantage!

[cooler]

These 2 players know each other games inside out so strategy is not the key to their success rather execution is the one. If both players perform to their true potential then Lin Dan has a upper hand with his size and power. Now we know why Chinese always pick the players with good height, it doesn have advantage!

knowing how your opponents play is one thing while having the effective arsenals to beat them is a total different matter. LD can alway keep his pace 1 step ahead of his best opponent (TH,LCW, PG). Actually, i believe LD prefer a faster pace opponent as long rallies seem to bring the best out of him. If u watch the 09 SC MS final, LCW did at one point (2nd set?) upped his pace and LD happily upped his too. LCW later slipped back to regular mode after 2-3 rallies. Why? because it wasn't effective again LD.

When LCW play against joarchim P., simon santoso, kenneth J, etc, LCW showed high confidence against them... because he know he can beat them.

[koo_fan]

When LCW play against joarchim P., simon santoso, kenneth J, etc, LCW showed high confidence against them... because he know he can beat them.

But if LCW doesn't have the same 'high confidence' when he play against Lin DAn, the game will be as dull as ever. What's the better choice?

[Wong8Egg]

But if LCW doesn't have the same 'high confidence' when he play against Lin DAn, the game will be as dull as ever. What's the better choice?

Even tho it might not be the best strategy, but as a spectator, I would rather to watch a fast & furious all out attacking game from LCW like the Hong Kong Open 06 final. (during the Li Mao days...) :(

[cooler]

But if LCW doesn't have the same 'high confidence' when he play against Lin DAn, the game will be as dull as ever. What's the better choice?only dull for bolenians:D Realistically speaking, it's good to have lcw(and TH,PG,PSG,LHI) around, it is them that help molded LD into what he's today.

[indra]

IMO, LCW is much stronger than LD. When LD vs LCW..it is actually LCW vs LD + Chen Jin, or LCW vs LD + Bao, or LCW vs LD + CJ + Bao...

LD's titles are not purely his, they are China Team's.

....Please come to Jakarta. I doubt if LD wants and dares to face LCW or TH in Jakarta...He won't come...

[Deathsticks]

ahh but why did lcw lose to chen jin in all england 2008
then chen jin beat lin dan in finals :(

Chen jin FTW :D

[AlanY]

These 2 players know each other games inside out so strategy is not the key to their success rather execution is the one. If both players perform to their true potential then Lin Dan has a upper hand with his size and power. Now we know why Chinese always pick the players with good height, it doesn have advantage!
Lin Dan has a upper hand with his size, power and speed.

[george@chongwei]

but georgie boy, we did not start going around saying ' LD afraid of playing in SG, MAL and INA'. We were only mocking bolenian's excuses.
'mocking' is the word huh?;)
Actually im always wanting Lin dan to come over to Mas, SG, INA to participate in the tournament here. I would like to see how he fare in those tournaments in that above 3 countries:)

[AlanY]

'mocking' is the word huh?;)
Actually im always wanting Lin dan to come over to Mas, SG, INA to participate in the tournament here. I would like to see how he fare in those tournaments in that above 3 countries:)
if i'm LD and i know that i'm the best. i'll decide when and where to play, if anyone wanted to win or even play against me, you know where to find me.

[george@chongwei]

if i'm LD and i know that i'm the best. i'll decide when and where to play, if anyone wanted to win or even play against me, you know where to find me.
But the fan and the spectators would want to know how will the best player, LD, fare in their country's tournament;)

[AlanY]

But the fan and the spectators would want to know how will the best player, LD, fare in their country's tournament

the problem is you need to attract the top players to come, seems that money alone will not be enough as the first (or last?) SS final proved that. another way to do it is to promote say 4 of the current SS to Grand Slam events like tennis. double the price monies and most importantly the ranking points that may make sure all the top players wanted to be there.

[cooler]

But the fan and the spectators would want to know how will the best player, LD, fare in their country's tournament;)
if u can convince LN that would boost LN's sales in MAS/SG/INA big time, LD will come;)

Question is, should chen jin, BCL and chen long come too or stay home?
if these MS boys go with LD and LD win, u guys still says LD got assisted in winning the title.

[Wong8Egg]

if u can convince LN that would boost LN's sales in MAS/SG/INA big time, LD will come;)

Question is, should chen jin, BCL and chen long come too or stay home?
if these MS boys go with LD and LD win, u guys still says LD got assisted in winning the title.

LD can defeat LCW, TH, PG, but can never defeat the belohian. :p

[madbad]

LD can defeat LCW, TH, PG, but can never defeat the belohian. :p

If you're going to insult bolehians, at least spell it right :rolleyes::D

[Wong8Egg]

If you're going to insult bolehians, at least spell it right :rolleyes::D

hahaahaa my bad. :D

[cooler]

LD can defeat LCW, TH, PG, but can never defeat the belohian. :p
that would be my job:D:p
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j/k:)

[ctjcad]

knowing how your opponents play is one thing while having the effective arsenals to beat them is a total different matter. LD can alway keep his pace 1 step ahead of his best opponent (TH,LCW, PG). Actually, i believe LD prefer a faster pace opponent as long rallies seem to bring the best out of him. If u watch the 09 SC MS final, LCW did at one point (2nd set?) upped his pace and LD happily upped his too. LCW later slipped back to regular mode after 2-3 rallies. Why? because it wasn't effective again LD.
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These 2 players know each other games inside out so strategy is not the key to their success rather execution is the one.
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The fact remains....LD is the stronger player. His only weakness is he is very impulsive and explosive...and make mistakes if provoked. Nowadays he is keeping his cool and this cut down on that weakness and make his opponent feeling the pressure because his defense is solid and attacking play is very sharp. To stay on top of him, you must be a very strong player in stamina, attack, defense and mentally strong. LCW is still a class below...and he need to work more on his attacking. You can see he is very good when he attacks but that he only got 1 or 2 good shots. He cannot keep attacking because his stamina is limited. When LD is able to counter his attack, he seems to give up attack and lose focus. He is not playing an offensive game and start to defense too often. He also makes mistakes because he is being pressured too much.
..pretty much concur with the above observations.
I re-watched the MS Semifinal match between LinDan vs. LCW, in its entirety, and i must say, the only difference in that match was LinDan's execution or the way he was able to control the tempo & shots, whenever he wants to do so. LCW, on the other hand, seemed to be just reacting to LD's shots, at least most of the time. In the instances LCW was able to get quick points were when he controlled the shots and tempo; unfortunately, they were far few and in between. Also, in some instances, LCW showed little patience and that costed him a few errors.
Overall, it was a pretty good match w/lots of very interesting rallies.

Btw, i notice a couple of very close calls in that match, which if not mistaken occurred in the 2nd game. One of which, a line call from LCW's smash which i thought landed out but was given in favor of LCW, was really questionable.

...Now i read the new twist of whining is that LD can't win oversea.
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..he could win those overseas tourneys. It's just that he's had almost no success winning those in the SE Asia region; except the 2007 WC.

[LazyBuddy]

oh then if in this case its just LCW, then what about lin dan and all other top players?:rolleyes:

Then, they are all afraid to be whitewashed by me. :D

[LazyBuddy]

IMO, LD is not as super as you have thought..As long as he has not won a title in Indonesia. LCW won once...so LCW in my opinion is A LOT stronger mentally and physically than LD...Playing in Jakarta is totally different from playing elsewhere. Jakarta is the "most extreme" ground of BWF SS.

TH and LCW have no worry at all to play in China and other places where most Chinese players feel at home or comfortable.

If the decision is up to LYB, it is because LYB knows that LD will not be able to handle the "extreme condition" in Ina SS.


So, if MJ never won a NBA final game 7 in MSG (in NYC, which to most basketball player, is the heaven for the sports), then MJ is not as great? :rolleyes:

LCW surely have no worry about playing in CHN. Because CHN as well as many other places, he can not win anyway. So, what's the difference. :p

If Jakarta is really that important, then where there no "All Jakarta", and let it simply replace "All England" or WC? :rolleyes: So, Jakarta is that much of a disadvantage for others, are you trying to say that TH's glory is actually "so so", because he has much better of a home court than others? :eek::D

Whether LYB is really chickened out abut INA or MAS is not important. As long as when he and LD do want to participate, they do win most of the time. :p They have enough collections of WC, AE, OG, TC, SC, UC (women team, of course), and no need to be too crazy about another ordinary SS title, like Swiss Open.

Not like someothers, have to "shot gun" all the events, can come back empty handed 99% of the time when it counts. Or, a Swiss Open title worth a national celerbration. :rolleyes:

[madbad]

So, if MJ never won a NBA final game 7 in MSG (in NYC, which to most basketball player, is the heaven for the sports), then MJ is not as great? :rolleyes:

Not a valid comparison.

LD can choose to play the INA Open every year whereas MJ's Chicago Bulls have to qualify to get to that extreme late stage of the NBA. Besides, the Knicks will never get there so this situation is more like a fantasy :rolleyes::D

[LazyBuddy]

Not a valid comparison.

LD can choose to play the INA Open every year whereas MJ's Chicago Bulls have to qualify to get to that extreme late stage of the NBA. Besides, the Knicks will never get there so this situation is more like a fantasy :rolleyes::D


Point taken. And I have to agree the part for Knicks. :D

Ok, let me "downgrade" MJ "only needs to break every single MSG basketball related personal record". So, if he can not achieve some, then he's not as great? :p

[cooler]

IMO, LD is not as super as you have thought..As long as he has not won a title in Indonesia. LCW won once...so LCW in my opinion is A LOT stronger mentally and physically than LD...Playing in Jakarta is totally different from playing elsewhere. Jakarta is the "most extreme" ground of BWF SS.

TH and LCW have no worry at all to play in China and other places where most Chinese players feel at home or comfortable.

If the decision is up to LYB, it is because LYB knows that LD will not be able to handle the "extreme condition" in Ina SS.

what's ur point? TH never won china open or china masters either.

the underlined part, it is so funny.

[laivc]

IMO, LD is not as super as you have thought..As long as he has not won a title in Indonesia. LCW won once...so LCW in my opinion is A LOT stronger mentally and physically than LD...Playing in Jakarta is totally different from playing elsewhere. Jakarta is the "most extreme" ground of BWF SS.

If LCW had won in Jarkarta before and was so important to show to others his stong mental and physical strength over LD, why is it so that LCW don't show his colors more in other more important competitions around the world, particularly records against LD outside of China? :confused:


TH and LCW have no worry at all to play in China and other places where most Chinese players feel at home or comfortable.

If TH and LCW really have no worry at all to play in China and other places where most Chinese players feel at home or comfortable, why are either of them not winning much competiton apart from Swiss Open? :confused:


If the decision is up to LYB, it is because LYB knows that LD will not be able to handle the "extreme condition" in Ina SS.

Maybe you could be right or maybe LYB thinks it is not worthly enough for LD to enter the competition to in order conserve energy for him to spend on more worthy competitions. In English football analogy, even Fergusion or Benitez will not let Ronaldo and Stevie G to play in all MU's and Liverpool's respective 38 games in the English Premier League. Afterall, Ronaldo, Stevie G and LD are not supermans . :D

[indra]

Maybe you could be right or maybe LYB thinks it is not worthly enough for LD to enter the competition to in order conserve energy for him to spend on more worthy competitions. In English football analogy, even Fergusion or Benitez will not let Ronaldo and Stevie G to play in all MU's and Liverpool's respective 38 games in the English Premier League. Afterall, Ronaldo, Stevie G and LD are not supermans . :D

To measure if a champion is a true champion can be seen from how many titles he/she/they win titles hosted by Southeast Asian Countries, especially Malaysia and Indonesia. Not All England, nor China.

Why:
1. The weather is HOT
2. The Crowd is HOT
3. The prize is HOT
4. The food is HOT

[jasonmarc]

To measure if a champion is a true champion can be seen from how many titles he/she/they win titles hosted by Southeast Asian Countries, especially Malaysia and Indonesia. Not All England, nor China.

Why:
1. The weather is HOT
2. The Crowd is HOT
3. The prize is HOT
4. The food is HOT

HOT, HOT, HOT........:D:D:D

[laivc]

To measure if a champion is a true champion can be seen from how many titles he/she/they win titles hosted by Southeast Asian Countries, especially Malaysia and Indonesia. Not All England, nor China.

Why:
1. The weather is HOT
2. The Crowd is HOT
3. The prize is HOT
4. The food is HOT

Strangely, in the badminton world that I know of (don't know about yours:o), All England Championship is definitely more highly regarded by the professional players in the circuits as compared to say Indonesian Open or Malaysian Open. Maybe the reasons I can think of very lamely are,

1. The weather is COLD (harder for players to maintain max capacity as the muscles take longer to warm up and faster to cool down)
2. The crowd is COLD (harder for player to play to their max capacity as the crowd is not cheering behind the players all the times)
3. The prize and title is COOL (how many badminton players in the world can claim they are All England Champions, which I think is pretty COOL)
4. The food is COOL / COLD (personally I don't know why the food is even considered as a factor for the prestige of any competition. Maybe after LCW's "food posioning" incident, it is now a important factor to consider. As the elder Chinese always say "Avoid cold food, it will easily upset your stomach")

[LazyBuddy]

To measure if a champion is a true champion can be seen from how many titles he/she/they win titles hosted by Southeast Asian Countries, especially Malaysia and Indonesia. Not All England, nor China.

Why:
1. The weather is HOT
2. The Crowd is HOT
3. The prize is HOT
4. The food is HOT


Errrr... This is the 1st time I heard that the SS titles over take the likes of AE, WC or OG... :eek:

Follow your logic, the NFL champion should not be determined by super bowl, but how many W from Green Bay (-20'C weather during a good portion of the season), due to its weather and well known tough fan base... :cool:

Then, NBA should cancel the finals, and let the champ to be determined by W from Phily and Detroit, for it's well know fan base and hostile environment...

Well, well, well...

[dassad]

oh no
how did i miss that? LD played with LCW??

i searched this forum several times and didnt see these two participating in same tournament up to WCH..:(

[indra]

Errrr... This is the 1st time I heard that the SS titles over take the likes of AE, WC or OG... :eek:

Follow your logic, the NFL champion should not be determined by super bowl, but how many W from Green Bay (-20'C weather during a good portion of the season), due to its weather and well known tough fan base... :cool:

Then, NBA should cancel the finals, and let the champ to be determined by W from Phily and Detroit, for it's well know fan base and hostile environment...

Well, well, well...

Effective immediately Southeast Asian SSs are the barometer now....:D

[george@chongwei]

Then, they are all afraid to be whitewashed by me. :D
wow, what's your level?:p

if u can convince LN that would boost LN's sales in MAS/SG/INA big time, LD will come;)

Question is, should chen jin, BCL and chen long come too or stay home?
if these MS boys go with LD and LD win, u guys still says LD got assisted in winning the title.
that would depend on Li Ning themselves in that case, see whether they want to boost their business by expanding it to Mas/SG or ina.
yes, doesnt matter at all. the whole chinese squad coming also its ok. at least wont waste taxpayers money:D. THE MORE THE MERRIER, men!;):D:D

LD can defeat LCW, TH, PG, but can never defeat the belohian. :p


If you're going to insult bolehians, at least spell it right :rolleyes::D


hahaahaa my bad. :D


that would be my job:D:p
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j/k:)
so this is an insult huh?
looks like u guys are taking advantage of pemuda's absence.:p

[cooler]

Effective immediately Southeast Asian SSs are the barometer now....:D
the way INA players and coaches are exiting pbsi, r u sure INA open is the hot bed of badminton?:p

[Ajaib]

IMO, LCW is much stronger than LD. When LD vs LCW..it is actually LCW vs LD + Chen Jin, or LCW vs LD + Bao, or LCW vs LD + CJ + Bao...

LD's titles are not purely his, they are China Team's.

....Please come to Jakarta. I doubt if LD wants and dares to face LCW or TH in Jakarta...He won't come...
it's bullsh*t...
1. LIN DAN beat Taufik in Jakarta.. at Thomas cup 2004... that's time taufik still on his prime isn't it???
2. Lin Dan won world Champion tittle also in Malaysia...
so???? any other excuse????

it means That Lin DAn prooved that He can play and won a tournament in INDONESIA and MALAYSIA....ok??

why still think that LIN DAN affraid to come to INDONESIA and MALAYSIA ?? HE WON THOMAS CUP and WORLD CHAMPION tittle there..

[Ajaib]

LD is not as super as he is.....he is good only when playing in China and countries with non-tropical climate...

Once he has to play in tropical countries like Southeast Asia [Ina, malaysia, Singapore, Thailand], he tends to withdraw from competing...
phew.....
you should read a lot about badminton tourney in SouthEA....
Lin dan withdraw from World Championship in malaysia?? last year He play in Thailand and won the tittle there...
you're so offensive against LIN DAN:mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Ajaib]

Well the fact is the chicken doesn't dare to come to malaysia, singapore and indonesia. Sad story for the fans here. Some say he prefer to go phillipines. Meeting with swine flu? ;)

People will still respect him. be it if he win or loose. People want participation and entertainment from the best. Value for money. ;)
woww... u called HIM chicken??? ckckckckck.... than your hero is a worm... verry good snack for the chicken....
Indonesia open, Malaysia open , and SO is not a big tourney like WC, AE, Thomas Cup,,, so.. no need to play there,,, better concentrate in practice to win the next WC...

[george@chongwei]

are we goona say another making of this thread after the indonesian open?:rolleyes:

[cooler]

are we goona say another making of this thread after the indonesian open?:rolleyes:
Ya, like Why TH Lost and Why LCW Lost:p
Be my guest, take your pick:D Take both if u like;)

[laivc]

[quote=Ajaib;1179235]woww... u called HIM chicken??? ckckckckck.... than your hero is a worm... verry good snack for the chicken....

Hahaha... all those worms eaten alive by LD, the SuperChicken during the TC in Jarkata and WC in KL, very funny indeed :D.

[george@chongwei]

Ya, like Why TH Lost and Why LCW Lost:p
Be my guest, take your pick:D Take both if u like;)
what if i don't want both?:D
i want 'what if lin dan lost'..:p
ok?

[indra]

LCW is the most complete player. LD is a good player.

[laivc]

LCW is the most complete player. LD is a good player.

Apparently for your case, the complete player is not better than the good player, LD Vs LCW's head-to-head records proved this.:D

[indra]

Apparently for your case, the complete player is not better than the good player, LD Vs LCW's head-to-head records proved this.:D

There has never been head-to-head between LCW vs LD, what exists is the head to head between LCW vs LD+CJ, LCW vs LD+BCL

The real battle between LCW vs LD will be in Jakarta soon:D

[LazyBuddy]

There has never been head-to-head between LCW vs LD, what exists is the head to head between LCW vs LD+CJ, LCW vs LD+BCL




If that's the logic, then LCW should simply give up his WR#1 title, as he got the title of LCW vs. non CHN quality players. :D

Also, I can say it's more like LD vs. LCW + BCL or LCW + CJ, as LD has to take much tougher training sessions against his higher level teammates than LCW, on a DAILY basis.

[cooler]

LCW is the most complete player. LD is a good player.
yes,
as a village champ....
and lcw has the datuk title and LD doesn't

[cooler]

There has never been head-to-head between LCW vs LD, what exists is the head to head between LCW vs LD+CJ, LCW vs LD+BCL

The real battle between LCW vs LD will be in Jakarta soon:D
i can also say most of LCW obtained most of his SS titles because LD wasn't there.

[cooler]

There has never been head-to-head between LCW vs LD, what exists is the head to head between LCW vs LD+CJ, LCW vs LD+BCL

The real battle between LCW vs LD will be in Jakarta soon:D

yes it's true, LD has great sparring partners like chen yu, bcl, cj and many other chineses where as lcw has yoyo and roslin to spar with.

In TH's case, he's too good, he doesn't need to spar with simon, SDK.
In fact, he rarely spars at all lol.

Hmmm, lately, u have been cheering for lcw, don't tell me u gave up on your here TH ?

[extremenanopowe]

well lets see the head to head race until one of these 2 retires. See who drop dead first. ;)

[hezudao]

[quote=cooler;1179976]yes it's true, LD has great sparring partners like chen yu, bcl, cj and many other chineses where as lcw has yoyo and roslin to spar with.

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lol yes, when lin dan is great its becos of the strong china team and when bc's malaysian hero lcw loses its cuz of his weak mal team. and when he wins its because he is a great player. nice where do i sign up to join the biased mal supporters club?

[eaglehelang]

lol yes, when lin dan is great its becos of the strong china team and when bc's malaysian hero lcw loses its cuz of his weak mal team. and when he wins its because he is a great player. nice where do i sign up to join the biased mal supporters club?[/quote]

Same goes for China fans, many reasons given when LD or China players lost, works both ways. As for LCW, in real life & here, when he loses, he gets critized, he win also critized (had easier draw lah, etc) - havent you read those posts & news articles, which are more than "malaysia hero" type posts.;)
note : win also gets critized. :p

[General Foo]

[quote=cooler;1179976]yes it's true, LD has great sparring partners like chen yu, bcl, cj and many other chineses where as lcw has yoyo and roslin to spar with.

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lol yes, when lin dan is great its becos of the strong china team and when bc's malaysian hero lcw loses its cuz of his weak mal team. and when he wins its because he is a great player. nice where do i sign up to join the biased mal supporters club?


haha u already did here on BC

[cooler]

lol yes, when lin dan is great its becos of the strong china team and when bc's malaysian hero lcw loses its cuz of his weak mal team. and when he wins its because he is a great player. nice where do i sign up to join the biased mal supporters club?


LD beat LCW in 09 sudirman cup in similar fashion as any other tournaments, what chinese players helped LD win in SC?

[eaglehelang]

LD beat LCW in 09 sudirman cup in similar fashion as any other tournaments, what chinese players helped LD win in SC?

The reference was to the underlined portion of biased malaysia supporters., which was hezudo's post.

And the main point was on the fans giving reasons for losing, China fans (yourself included) also give their set of reasons when China players lost, it goes both ways.
Sometimes the same reason is given, but for the player one supports, is ok, but if for the other party gives the same reason is not ok (like fatigued, injury) will get shot at.
Sthing like 'You think I biased, I also think you biased, same2 lor';):p:p

[koo_fan]

Sthing like 'You think I biased, I also think you biased, same2 lor';):p:p

haha, "it is something like that", indeed. and of course you can disagree with
each other.
*Well, i'd review the debates/ arguments/ exchange of views here to improve mine.

[hezudao]

[quote=hezudao;1181995]


haha u already did here on BC

heh;) maybe i should move to johore, but lky said its not safe lah:)

[XtC-604]

Head To Head Lin Dan Is 11/14 :d We All Know Og08, Ae09 What Happened To Lcw?
well, cooler theres one more thing, Lin Dan only gets to the finals because of the chinese team fighting their way in, then letting lin dan win :D Oh, Lin Dan only won the OG because it was in china and the line judges were biased.
Lin Dan only won the AE, because LCW was off form. Lin Dan is just some worthless dood compared to LCW, its quite obvious you know. In the biased mal supporter club.

[bananakid]

I seriously believe there is a spy from this newspaper in this forum.

在今年的全英赛半决赛，林丹和陈金会师半决赛，陈金因为伤病选择了退赛，林丹兵不血刃晋级决赛，在决赛中零 封李宗伟
source:http://sports.sohu.com/20090619/n264641496.shtml

The highlighted part means "Lin Dan whitewashed LCW in the final"

[george@chongwei]

does it got to do with someone who created the particular thread 1st?:eek::rolleyes: