Hello badminton fans out there. Wish you had excitement watching the latest Surdiman Cup.

I was thinking who should really be the overall best player of this competition.

I think Lee Yong Dae really deserves it because he shows enthusiasm and passion. His defensive play really helped Korea for mix doubles and men doubles. So, he's up to my hero this time.

Who is yours?:D

the one that contribute many points and on court for longest time
lee yong dae:D

the one that contribute many points and on court for longest time
lee yong dae:D

No, he was not in top form at this event. Especially, chinese broadcasters hindered him with many interviews not to concentrate on the games themselves. Anyway he's still in learning. :)

No, he was not in top form at this event. Especially, chinese broadcasters hindered him with many interviews not to concentrate on the games themselves. Anyway he's still in learning. :)
LYD got OG..he is top form in this event..not easy winning 2 events in few days...just admitted that he lost to China players...there is no shame about it..he is still young and he is not DOMINATOR at all....

Best players during Sudirman Cup:

a. Cai Yun/Fu hai Feng
b. Lin Dan
c. Lee Young Dae

No, he was not in top form at this event. Especially, chinese broadcasters hindered him with many interviews not to concentrate on the games themselves. Anyway he's still in learning. :)

how many points he won? in md and xd?
how many minutes he on court for this few days?:rolleyes:

LYD got OG..he is top form in this event..not easy winning 2 events in few days...just admitted that he lost to China players...there is no shame about it..he is still young and he is not DOMINATOR at all....

I need to mention this; especially MD is all of partnership that means a single player can't make it. Any players should admit his lost humbly and he did.

During the time Fu/Cai had full partnership through the military training, Europe tours, LYD couldn't play with his partner for a couple of months due to JJS's real military training. Even though they had little time to play again, at this even they beat all the giants Koo/Tan, the Danes(Boe/Mogensen), Hendra/Ahsan(I thought Kido will show up anyhow) in straight games. Even in the game against Cai/Fu, they were showing their consistency after loss in the first game until they were come back finally.

That's unbelievable.

As I always mentioned, LYD is a player of intelligence - he's a quick learner.
Even to my view, Fu had especially improved a lot and they deserve the victory. However, I still go for JJS/LYD for their consistency in the power and strategy, all of Mens' Doubles.

Cong to Fu/Cai. :)

I would say Fu/Cai were the players under the most pressure. They had the toughest opponents overall, and they delivered every time. Congrats to them for inspiring CHN

Best players during Sudirman Cup:

a. Cai Yun/Fu hai Feng
b. Lin Dan
c. Lee Young Dae
Agree with you hauge, I would say Cai/Fu, Lin Dan & Lee Yong Dae are the best players during SC. Especially Cai/Fu and Lee Yong Dae.

if there's a mvp award, i think it should goes to Lee Yong Dae or Fu Haifeng.

Lee Yong Dae. I don't like him but I must admit that he played with total commitment. :):)

i agree with Fu/Cai. they were not the favorite to win against stronger pairs from other countries, and they delivered everytime.

lol imo best player of da tournament is wihtout question the 21 year old talented double specialist from korea, lee yong dae. He show great enthusiasm and great spirit in every single match he played. Not only that, his time on court is arguably the longest as he has to play in both md n xd events. and in every korea's victory, lee yong dae is key in providin the winnin points. and yesterday finals against china, lee yong dae show great stamina n mentality as he battled the chinese for a total of 6 sets in his md n xd event. reali heart broken to c him lose both matches as he reali inspire his team with his great enthusiasm n spirit. and if any1 realize in his xd and md's match, he was constantly trailin the chinese with a huge gap in scores. lee yong dae did not giv up but instead push harder to narrow the gap and nearly grab a win. Its really sad to c him lose both match as he battled so fiercely and with his no-give-up attitude. It'll really be a shame if his inspiring display on court and vital role in korea's victory is not appreciated. So, lee yong dae u'll always be my best player :D since he's like superman with endless stamina, i'll now call him super daeeee :D

i agree with Fu/Cai. they were not the favorite to win against stronger pairs from other countries, and they delivered everytime.

I think it's undeniable that FHF has improved a lot in his gameplay and in particular at the net. I even mistook some of his shots for CY's. He still need some work on his defense.

For MVP though, my vote is for YuYang and LYD. Possibly LD but I don't think he's too pressured in this SC.

I'd vote for Yu Yang also, along with LD. When LD got his award, I thought it was for the best male player at the Sudirman Cup and was puzzled when there was no the best female player award to Yu Yang.

LYD is undoubtedly the hardest working players. But with two losses, it is hard to put him over LD and YY.

I need to mention this; especially MD is all of partnership that means a single player can't make it. Any players should admit his lost humbly and he did.

During the time Fu/Cai had full partnership through the military training, Europe tours, LYD couldn't play with his partner for a couple of months due to JJS's real military training. Even though they had little time to play again, at this even they beat all the giants Koo/Tan, the Danes(Boe/Mogensen), Hendra/Ahsan(I thought Kido will show up anyhow) in straight games. Even in the game against Cai/Fu, they were showing their consistency after loss in the first game until they were come back finally.

That's unbelievable.

As I always mentioned, LYD is a player of intelligence - he's a quick learner.
Even to my view, Fu had especially improved a lot and they deserve the victory. However, I still go for JJS/LYD for their consistency in the power and strategy, all of Mens' Doubles.

Cong to Fu/Cai. :)

Exactly the same posting with this thread

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64242&page=20

Narnia, if there is an award for THE BEST FANS, i think you really deserve it:D

I'm puzzled to understand why everyone is overrating the time on court and the fact LYD played 2 matches...He played 2 matches because it was required of him, even if he had wanted to play 3...there were OTHER countries that also had participants which BOTH showed spirit and determination in the face of STRONGER opponents, AND played 2 matches as well...albiet, can't say the matches were as long, or as intense...but i doubt on court time should be one of the ratings...nevertheless, it's still an amazing feat if you think about it...LYD, LD and Fu/Cai should definately get some sorts of MVP...

Woman= there's no other than Yu Yang
Man= LD,FHF/CY,LYD

In prevous interview, Cai/Fu claimed that their success rate is very very low when the match is dragged onto a rubber set. However, they have won 3 rubber games against some of the top teams in the world during this Sudirman cup. That alone is a huge achievement for this pair.:cool:

Woman= there's no other than Yu Yang
Man= LD,FHF/CY,LYD

Agree that Yu Yang was the star on the women's side. An incredible player, a real superstar

Agree that Yu Yang was the star on the women's side. An incredible player, a real superstar
she would be the next Gao Ling instead of Zhao Yunlei :D

yesterday i saw a special award awarded to lin dan.
is that the mvp award for this tournament??

Overall best player(pair) has to be Fu/Cai.

I also want to mention that:

TBH is showing great improvement with his smashes. The accuracy and angle is excellent.

On the other hand, KKK is the most annoying and how he is trying so hard to market himself to the Chinese population is so pathetic. All that screaming like a b*tch and intentionally positions himself to do "around the back" smash returns when he obviously could have gotten into the "regular" smash return position is just pure lame.

KKK needs to realize that showing off but loses a match at the end only make you more pathetic than just a loser of a match.

You make yourself popular by winning championships, and have actual "style"(not screaming like a b*tch during every single overhead shot:rolleyes::mad:) + the right amount of charisma.

I think Yong-dae deserves to be the overall best player. He really helped Korea to get many points. Undoubtedly, he is.

LYD, the best overall for the tournament? isnt' he the same guy plotted the downfall of the Korean team by losing 2 matches in the final? ok, it is a bit harsh as both matches were close and gone to the rubber. LYD is one of if not the best young double talent at the moment but definitely not the best player of this tournament.

I vote for LYD too for this tourney.

she would be the next Gao Ling instead of Zhao Yunlei :D
YY will tell you that she is the first YY(F), not the next Gao Ling. Got it? :)

MS: LD
MD: FHF/CY
XD: HH/YY
WD: YY/JD
WS: WYH

I would give the overall MVP to FHF/CY, is time this pair get some recognition. With LD coming close to second for his effort beating LCW.

Lee Young Dae as the best player? If Korea win this Cup , he should be the best player.

Reality is, they lost 0-3.

His team lost in the final and he fail to deliver one point in the final. If he is the best player, at least he had to win the first XD match. Instead, Yu Yang shine at that match and somehow pull off a win in second set where the score real tight in the end. Third set was all over for the Korea pair.

The best player should be given to the winning team player. Thats between Lin Dan, Cai Yun/Fu Hai Feng (90% of this forum members predict they will lost point when playing Mas MD and Kor MD but the pair prove it wrong) And Yu Yang, of course. All of them never lost a point in this tournament. That at least had to be the criteria when you picking the best player.

Yes, LYD is very popular here in this forum but he is not the best in this tournament.

...For MVP though, my vote is for YuYang and LYD. Possibly LD but I don't think he's too pressured in this SC.
I'd vote for Yu Yang also, along with LD. When LD got his award, I thought it was for the best male player at the Sudirman Cup and was puzzled when there was no the best female player award to Yu Yang.

LYD is undoubtedly the hardest working players. But with two losses, it is hard to put him over LD and YY.
- Yu Yang had to play 2 matches and she is basically the cornerstone in her 2 matches.
- Same deal with LYD, he had to play 2 matches because simply he is the best player on his team. He is also the cornerstone in his 2 matches.
Overall, LYD had the bigger and tougher task & responsibility than Yu Yang as she has other events covered by her other teammates.

yesterday i saw a special award awarded to lin dan.
is that the mvp award for this tournament??

that was the best player of 2008 award.

KKK needs to realize that showing off but loses a match at the end only make you more pathetic than just a loser of a match.

You make yourself popular by winning championships, and have actual "style"(not screaming like a b*tch during every single overhead shot:rolleyes::mad:) + the right amount of charisma.

He ain't the best player of the tournament. But he had every single right to act as kkk. Annoying? could be a yes for some people. I've heard enough.;)

i think overall fu/cai and yu yang is the best player
if there is a mvp for each country
my list will be:

hong kong-zhou mi n wang chen for playing well in wd too
mas- wong pei tty playing in both events and play well except for xd vs china, lcw
denmark-kamilla
korea-lyd n lhy

Lee Young Dae as the best player? If Korea win this Cup , he should be the best player.

Reality is, they lost 0-3.

His team lost in the final and he fail to deliver one point in the final. If he is the best player, at least he had to win the first XD match. Instead, Yu Yang shine at that match and somehow pull off a win in second set where the score real tight in the end. Third set was all over for the Korea pair.

The best player should be given to the winning team player. Thats between Lin Dan, Cai Yun/Fu Hai Feng (90% of this forum members predict they will lost point when playing Mas MD and Kor MD but the pair prove it wrong) And Yu Yang, of course. All of them never lost a point in this tournament. That at least had to be the criteria when you picking the best player.

Yes, LYD is very popular here in this forum but he is not the best in this tournament.

Well said, I second your opinion.

My vote goes to koo kien kiat and tan boon heong, the only pair that really stood up to fu hai feng and caiyun.:D

My vote goes to koo kien kiat and tan boon heong, the only pair that really stood up to fu hai feng and caiyun.:D
stood up! with his middle finger?

My overall best player is my hero LIN DAN

stood up! with his middle finger?

Apart from his character and such, I really do like his style of play. But, thats what makes koo kien kiat special, mr middle finger.:p

Apart from his character and such, I really do like his style of play. But, thats what makes koo kien kiat special, mr middle finger.:p
I like him in a whole. character, style of play etc. ~ ( minus the middle finger action )
He ain't the best player for Sudirman Cup, for me. He's not at his best, it's not that i disregard rexy's opinion, but i know kkk have done better than that. i looove to see TBH and him got the 'chemistry' back. It's been a while since i last saw them laughing, smiling at each other on court.

I will give Fu/Cai the B. Russell award, as they delivered the crucial points for CHN throughout the tournament.

Then, I will give LYD the J. West award (only player to get final MVP award from losing end), for his un-deniable contribution to KOR, even though they lost in final.

Then, I will give LYD the J. West award (only player to get final MVP award from losing end), for his un-deniable contribution to KOR, even though they lost in final.
undeniable contribution! every tom, dick and harry can so the same by losing 2 matches in the final. trust me, it's not that difficult.

undeniable contribution! every tom, dick and harry can so the same by losing 2 matches in the final. trust me, it's not that difficult.

Errr... He lost 2 matches in the final, but w/o him, they may not even past the group matches or semi. :cool:

Sure, I can lose 0-21 easily, but lose in 3 rubber sets to the SC champs, do require a bit more skills, I assume. :p

My vote goes to koo kien kiat and tan boon heong, the only pair that really stood up to fu hai feng and caiyun.:D

The stood up, but they lost? They also lost to LYD/JJS, so how can they be the best, or even relate to it????

LYD do well in both MD and XD, KKK????? cough cough :rolleyes:

undeniable contribution! every tom, dick and harry can so the same by losing 2 matches in the final. trust me, it's not that difficult.
..please tell us the other tom, dick and harry who can do the same thing as LYD did in this past SC. Thank you.

..please tell us the other tom, dick and harry who can do the same thing as LYD did in this past SC. Thank you.
I have to get back to you on this one after I consult the record book. have to admit it's not that easy to top, as to lost 2 out of the 3 points for the team particularly in the final.

..don't have to check or consult the record or history book. Just go to tournamentsoftware.com and find out for yourself.

Absolutely fu/cai.
Always a joy to watch fu/cai win.
They showed that CHN can win matches with pure , honest, world class badminton (without non-badminton tactics that YY and LD need.)

I'd go for LYD too. Perhaps YY if there's a second place.

(without non-badminton tactics that YY and LD need.)

Like what??? :confused:

Absolutely fu/cai.
Always a joy to watch fu/cai win.
They showed that CHN can win matches with pure , honest, world class badminton (without non-badminton tactics that YY and LD need.)

Because FHF/CY do not challenge the line calls??

Because FHF/CY do not challenge the line calls??

It's an assumption but I take it, pjswift means the attitude and the whole physiology tactics. Pausing before the final serve, calling a fault without evidence, etc.

Asking for floor to be mopped on opponent's serve to break their momentum.

Why don't they ask for floor to be mopped during their serve?

That's one of their famous tricks.
That's how CHN WD lost to KOR in AE. Jane Hancock saw through YY and did not grant her her floor mopping trick.

If the umpire were not clueless or sleepy and well aware of CHN's tricks, they would have preempted CHN's request by asking for floor to be mopped on CHN's serve.

CHN used to ask for breaks during opponent's serve which is against the rule. Then they get around the rule by asking for the floor to be mopped.

LD did not even have to ask the umpire permission for breaks.He didn't have to. Because he's king.

LD did not even have to ask the umpire permission for breaks. He didn't have to. Because he's king.

Talk about the "Evil Empire," right? :P But! Back on topic, I think that many players, non in specific, didn't play to their potential during this whole event. The Surdiman Cup. :O

Asking for floor to be mopped on opponent's serve to break their momentum.

Why don't they ask for floor to be mopped during their serve?
...

I only had a feel about that but never really put it down as an act until you said so. I thought it was coincidence that they thought the "wetness" cost them the point hence ask for the mop. Definitely learn something :D:D.

..don't have to check or consult the record or history book. Just go to tournamentsoftware.com and find out for yourself.
i dont think checks are necessary. to lost 2 out of the 3 points must be the worst one can do for this tournament format. of course, in theory a full house is possible to lost all 3 in MS, MD & XD but i dont believe that been done before. so, if to lost 2 points in a match is the worst one can do, so by definition every tom, dick and harry can emulate LYD by just turn up and lose. cant get any worst, can it?

i dont think checks are necessary. to lost 2 out of the 3 points must be the worst one can do for this tournament format. of course, in theory a full house is possible to lost all 3 in MS, MD & XD but i dont believe that been done before. so, if to lost 2 points in a match is the worst one can do, so by definition every tom, dick and harry can emulate LYD by just turn up and lose. cant get any worst, can it?
..i thought you mentioned every tom, dick and harry can emulate LYD. If you mean so, then show us who the other tom, dick and harry are who is similar to/can emulate LYD??..If you can't bring up any other names, then don't use "every other tom, dick and harry"..:cool:

i dont think checks are necessary. to lost 2 out of the 3 points must be the worst one can do for this tournament format. of course, in theory a full house is possible to lost all 3 in MS, MD & XD but i dont believe that been done before. so, if to lost 2 points in a match is the worst one can do, so by definition every tom, dick and harry can emulate LYD by just turn up and lose. cant get any worst, can it?

Exactly.. and I wonder why any country even bother with the Surdiman cup. Any Tom, Dick, Harry and Moni can just enter the tournament and achieve the same results against China. They should just call their expats currently living in China and give them a chance to represent their country. No need for any expenditures to fly, house and feed the players and a single indemity form will take care of all medical expenses.

On a more reasonable note, I wonder if FHF/CY and ZB/YY will let any set slip when playing against Tom/Dick and Harry/Moni.

..i thought you mentioned every tom, dick and harry can emulate LYD. If you mean so, then show us who the other tom, dick and harry are who is similar to/can emulate LYD??..If you can't bring up any other names, then don't use "every other tom, dick and harry"
i was responded to other poster's reference to LYD's 'undeniable' contribution to the final. as i said before you cant get any worst by losing the 2 that you played thus the tom.. reference. for instance LYD's double partner JJS (aka Tom by his closest friends) had not only emulate but surpassed him with only lost 1 point.

..dude, the guy only played 1 event. LYD played 2 events. Comparable to LYD??..:confused:

..dude, the guy only played 1 event. LYD played 2 events. Comparable to LYD??..:confused:

Hehe... now I feel so proud not to have lost any points for Singapore...

..dude, the guy only played 1 event. LYD played 2 events. Comparable to LYD??..:confused:
the thread starter asked for the best overall player not the best except that the matches you lost. KOR is the team capable and aimed for the cup, unlike some other nations that just happy to be there. LYD is without question one of the brightest talent. he didnt' had a good tournament as the result shown. to played 2 matches with 6 hard games within 3 hours definitely taken the toll on him. KOR always depends on their doubles for the team tournaments this time it backfired as too much depended on LYD that failed (together with his partners of course) to delivered.

...and your point (post #41) about bringing up "there are other tom, dick and harry comparable to LYD"??...Who are the other "tom, dick and harry" similar/comparable to LYD and also lost 2 matches in a tie??..:confused::confused: