KKK, what are you doing!

[cxytdn]

Behaviorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[krisss]

Lol!

He is swearing at his racket :).

Don't blame the racket KKK:p

[koo_fan]

I think kkk should publicly apologized to end this. He's not aiming at anyone, guys. poor the racket, though.
Am not trying to find excuses, i am indeed 'hurt' to see my fav player doing that. ~

[drifit]

er.... is not against the law.

what is that about? :confused:

[koo_fan]

er.... is not against the law.

what is that about? :confused:
There's certain rules being set out for the public figures. kkk is not an exception, i'd say.

[LazyBuddy]

er.... is not against the law.

what is that about? :confused:


Public image, I guess?

If LD put away a hat (which obviously not against any rules) can generate such a big fuzz, what about this one? I am pretty sure even a 3 years old who has well taught knows "it's wrong". :rolleyes:

[sianzism]

i may be wrong here, but doesn't the tv producer have a choice not to show it to the world?

it was not captured live but shown as a replay.

[Foreverlove]

his mind was drift at that moment....

[Isegrim]

i think it's enough talking about this.
the whole badmintoncentral is full of this picture and posts with the same opinions..
please stop it...

[eaglehelang]

er.... is not against the law.

what is that about? :confused:

This issue has been posted in 2 other threads. That's supposed to be a swearing gesture lah drifit.

[eaglehelang]

...... I am pretty sure even a 3 years old who has well taught knows "it's wrong". :rolleyes:

A 3 year old who's well taught would not even know what that meant, esp in Asian cultures. The parents also might not know what it meant if they're not much exposed to western culture (and I'm not joking).
I was well in my late teens before I knew about what that gesture meant & I'm supposed to be english ed.:cool:

[Jagdpanther]

I am pretty sure even a 3 years old who has well taught knows "it's wrong". :rolleyes:
Such gesture traditionally doesn't exist and has no meaning in Asian countries, mister.
At least not here.;)

[krisss]

Look at TBH's cheeky grin :p

[extremenanopowe]

kkk must have utter something before that to cause tbh to have a cheeky smile.. ;)

at least they are enjoying the game. ;)

[ants]

There are worse scenarios out there. KKK's antics is just a small incident. Please dont blow it.

[nick.h]

not surprising at all...he always lacks manners on court probably off court too...

its really a shame what this contradicts....not only to mas badminton...but this could affect the purity of the badminton image as a whole...

[LazyBuddy]

A 3 year old who's well taught would not even know what that meant, esp in Asian cultures. The parents also might not know what it meant if they're not much exposed to western culture (and I'm not joking).
I was well in my late teens before I knew about what that gesture meant & I'm supposed to be english ed.:cool:


Such gesture traditionally doesn't exist and has no meaning in Asian countries, mister.
At least not here.;)


So, do you mean if some region know it better than another, then such behavior is acceptable?

Guys, we all talked about how to introduce the sport to the entire world (mostly western nations) besides Asia, and now we put this like "oh, it's fine..." :eek:

So, if we say LD refuse to wear a hat, or slam his rackets put "a bad image to the sport", then we take the "finger" incident as no harm? Because it's in Asia? :eek:

[Han]

There are worse scenarios out there. KKK's antics is just a small incident. Please dont blow it.

Agree, especially that gesture was not directed to any particular person. Sad to say badminton is getting so competitive that it longer be considered as "gentlemen" sports. Even changing shuttle can become a controversy, not ot mention about throwing racket at someone ...
However, Koo needs to behave better in public to amend his image if he want to be well love like Chong Wei.

[koo_fan]

However, Koo needs to behave better in public to amend his image if he want to be well love like Chong Wei.

He's now a bad boy, that's what my friends said. :p
But wait, Taufik is well love despite of his bad boy image.

[krisss]

He's now a bad boy, that's what my friends said. :p
But wait, Taufik is well love despite of his bad boy image.

:) The Bad Boys are always loved , maybe thats why KKK is doing it.

Lin Dan - hes bad :D

Taufik - Hes Bad :D

Now KKK :D

[LazyBuddy]

Agree, especially that gesture was not directed to any particular person.

So, tell me why LD got bashed for 15 pages, when he put away the hat in MO? He was mad, but did not put his anger to anyone in that incident. :rolleyes: Sure, back then, fans say "that will piss off the sponsorship, therefore, bring bad image to badminton".

So, tell me this sign will not let any sponsorship or fans (ok, say western only) think twice? :rolleyes:

[eaglehelang]

So, do you mean if some region know it better than another, then such behavior is acceptable?

Guys, we all talked about how to introduce the sport to the entire world (mostly western nations) besides Asia, and now we put this like "oh, it's fine..." :eek:

So, if we say LD refuse to wear a hat, or slam his rackets put "a bad image to the sport", then we take the "finger" incident as no harm? Because it's in Asia? :eek:

Nope, we didnt say it's ok, That's not the main point, the reply was specifically to your "a well taught 3 yr old " statement. Since you think all & sundry should know what it means..... Get it? A 40++ yr old GUY asked me what's the meaning of that gesture in western culture. ;)

LD refusing the wear the hat thingy was not good PR, showed disrespect to the local culture, in public. It meant or could be taken to mean that LD did not respect the culture of the country. Like the host give a souvenir or lay out the choice food & the guest refuse to take it, considered very impolite.

It's like insulting the host country and saying 'This is a stupid country, headgear also so weird/stupid, dont want to wear.'
+ LD as an Asian is expected to know those norms(which made some others more pissed off)

THe racket thowing incident...well... that has been discussed ad nauseum

KKK is pissed off with either his racket or himself & swore at the racket (it seems), all of this directed at himself. So happen it's caught on camera, it's not right but it was not directed at other ppl .

[LazyBuddy]

Nope, we didnt say it's ok, That's not the main point, the reply was specifically to your "a well taught 3 yr old " statement. Since you think all & sundry should know what it means..... Get it? A 40++ yr old GUY asked me what's the meaning of that gesture in western culture. ;)

LD refusing the wear the hat thingy was not good PR, showed disrespect to the local culture, in public. It meant or could be taken to mean that LD did not respect the culture of the country. Like the host give a souvenir or lay out the choice food & the guest refuse to take it, considered very impolite.
+ LD as an Asian is expected to know those norms(which made some others more pissed off)

THe racket thowing incident...well... that has been discussed ad nauseum

KKK is pissed off with either his racket or himself & swore at the racket (it seems), all of this directed at himself. So happen it's caught on camera, it's not right but it was not directed at other ppl .

Ok, so, when we make a mistake, we simply hope "others may not know"? :eek: From when the world is changed to be, "it's ok to be at fault, as long as a long of others did not see, did not hear, or do not understand?" A fault is a fault, period. Regardless who finds it, who understand it or not.

This event is broadcast in TV and internet, so you can not say even if the locals may not know it, then it's fine. Btw, seriously, do you think Asia was still in 1950 or something? There are enough CHN, HK and TW movies I watched here, with young ppl showing the sign in movie. If you think the general public does not know about it, they will include such? :rolleyes:

So, LD put away the hat is disrespect the local, because he did in in public. So, Koo is fine, where did he do it? Not in the pubic? :mad: So, LD is expect to know what he did is wrong... So, Koo does not even know what he did you tell me? Of course Koo knows it, and he did it anyway. :cool:

Ok, whether a 3 years old should know, or a teen, or a 30 years should know, it does not change the fact of "being wrong". Many kids does not know the illegal drugs, until teens or twenties, then you tell me illegal drugs is ok? :o

[eaglehelang]

So, tell me why LD got bashed for 15 pages, when he put away the hat in MO? He was mad, but did not put his anger to anyone in that incident. :rolleyes: Sure, back then, fans say "that will piss off the sponsorship, therefore, bring bad image to badminton".

So, tell me this sign will not let any sponsorship or fans (ok, say western only) think twice? :rolleyes:

I already replied on that, it should be very obvious what it actually meant. :rolleyes: Errr, some said LD threw down the hat during the ceremony, even worse. ANd back then, if I remember correctly, the higher ups were pissed off, effectively LD pissed off the whole country.:p
The 15 pages if I recall correctly was for the racket throwing incident.:confused::confused:

And........after all the incidents, did LD get less sponsorship? Did Taufik get less sponsorship for being a bad boy? And seriously, what they did, were more serious incidents(esp esp the racket throwing one), it's not picking on LD.

[eaglehelang]

........
This event is broadcast in TV and internet, so you can not say even if the locals may not know it, then it's fine. Btw, seriously, do you think Asia was still in 1950 or something? There are enough CHN, HK and TW movies I watched here, with young ppl showing the sign in movie. If you think the general public does not know about it, they will include such? :rolleyes: The censorship board would censor that verbal swearing & gestures. That's not the main point either.


Ok, whether a 3 years old should know, or a teen, or a 30 years should know, it does not change the fact of "being wrong". Many kids does not know the illegal drugs, until teens or twenties, then you tell me illegal drugs is ok? :o
I didnt say it's right, read again. You all can defend2 LD during the racket throwing incident, some more want to say2 in a smaller incident.

[Zabee]

everyone make mistakes.......even god..

[zqloy]

Just showed that he is a bad boy. Nothing more. As long as its not to provoke other parties.

[headphones]

everyone make mistakes.......even god..

lolwut

(15char.)

[Zabee]

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused:

[ctjcad]

...
KKK is pissed off with either his racket or himself & swore at the racket (it seems), all of this directed at himself. So happen it's caught on camera, it's not right but it was not directed at other ppl .

...
This event is broadcast in TV and internet, so you can not say even if the locals may not know it, then it's fine.
...

i may be wrong here, but doesn't the tv producer have a choice not to show it to the world?

it was not captured live but shown as a replay.
..to a certain extent. That's one of the downside of a live television broadcast. Imagine if vulgar words were used/heard???..A tv producer does have a choice to edit/not show such clip, but then the broadcast will be delayed..

[cooler]

A 3 year old who's well taught would not even know what that meant, esp in Asian cultures. The parents also might not know what it meant if they're not much exposed to western culture (and I'm not joking).
I was well in my late teens before I knew about what that gesture meant & I'm supposed to be english ed.:cool:i think it's futile to defend such an act. Are u saying kkk has a mental of 3 yr old too? Come on, he knows what it mean, that's what count.

If i swear at u in eskimo or danish but because u don't understand it, does that make it ok???

[cooler]

yonex is having a bad year. They are out of china team, korea team, not in the sudirman finals, and now, kkk (MAS) is cursing it:D

[Athelete1234]

That's what he thinks of his NS9900 :p.

[LazyBuddy]

I didnt say it's right, read again. You all can defend2 LD during the racket throwing incident, some more want to say2 in a smaller incident.

Let's not get into a history class. There's no need to peel all the dirt, when I am talking about case A, you try to put case B in. Whether A is worse, or B is worse, that's NOT important. The important is, both are wrong.

Btw, I was referring LD taking hats off, not throwing rackets. So, no need to throw in more stuff which is clearly has NOTHING to do with this case. Maybe for once, LD is the good boy on the day. ;)

Whether LD was an bad example in his incident, that's the past, and that's NOT the topic for this one. Lowering others, does not make yourself is right.

[LazyBuddy]

i think it's futile to defend such an act. Are u saying kkk has a mental of 3 yr old too? Come on, he knows what it mean, that's what count.

If i swear at u in eskimo or danish but because u don't understand it, does that make it ok???


That's exactly the point. He clearly knows what he's doing, and most of us clearly know what he's doing.

So, LD taking off the hat in the public sending a wrong message to the public (while, mostly only hosting nation), then Mr. Koo sending a message (whether to himself, the racket, the court, the public, LYB, whatever) is... hmmm...

As a public figure, he owns the public an explaination and an apology. Simply hiding behind, and pray that most of fans do not understand (or, refuse to understand) is a not a smart idea. :o

[cooler]

actually i think kkk/tbh does have a decent chance to beat fu/cai in the MD SC. After taking the first game, kkk weakness emerges again. In pemuda's words, he gone cocky. KKK and tbh played too casually in critical moments. Even gillian clarke took the words out of my mouth, it is 'criminal' to be so casual at the net ( KKK's foot flat on the mat, knees not bend to intercept an easy shot that went pass him. He was like standing up leisurely waiting at the food line)

[eaglehelang]

i think it's futile to defend such an act. Are u saying kkk has a mental of 3 yr old too? Come on, he knows what it mean, that's what count.

If i swear at u in eskimo or danish but because u don't understand it, does that make it ok???

That was NOT the main point, & 2X i clarified to LazyBuddy, I didnt say it was ok or right. It's you all interpret it so.

[DonnyGan]

affected party should be Yonex. :D

[bananakid]

affected party should be Yonex. :D

LOL...

Now I know why KKK "fingered" his Yonex racket... KKK must have been thinking about getting out of his Yonex sponsorship by giving his Yonex racket "the finger" in front of public television, then get the attention of Li-Ning by screaming like a b*tch every time he does an overhead shot.;)

Just imagine the next Li-Ning commerical...
"Our rackets are better than Yonex, let's us show you what a professional badminton player's opinion on Yonex racket", then shows the famous KKK middle fingered his own Yonex racket. LOL

[eaglehelang]

Let's not get into a history class. There's no need to peel all the dirt, when I am talking about case A, you try to put case B in. Whether A is worse, or B is worse, that's NOT important. The important is, both are wrong.

Btw, I was referring LD taking hats off, not throwing rackets. So, no need to throw in more stuff which is clearly has NOTHING to do with this case. Maybe for once, LD is the good boy on the day. ;)

Whether LD was an bad example in his incident, that's the past, and that's NOT the topic for this one. Lowering others, does not make yourself is right.

Sigh, that was not the main point, once again you mis-interpret. The same as the other incidents, dont blow it out of porportion. LD fans can say that during those incidents...so....

And remember, you started the "LD taking hats off" thing 1st, and made long, long, paragraphs abt that and the racket throwing incident, etc ;). I was just explaining in reply(since you ask ppl to tell you why, why), and then you misinterpret some more.......some more rant, rant.

There're other incidents like stamping of shuttle, throwing temper, kicking umpire's podium(even the diciplined Korean MD did that bf), etc,etc, you all dont make a big fuss, just a few comments.... this one you want to make big fuss.;):D
(Unless of course Yonex wants to sue KKK for insulting their rackets)

And yet again, I didnt say it's ok or right make that gesture (it's you interpret it so). Just no need make super big fuss(the others already said or implied that). This is the 3rd thread talking abt it.

[Jagdpanther]

So, do you mean if some region know it better than another, then such behavior is acceptable?

Guys, we all talked about how to introduce the sport to the entire world (mostly western nations) besides Asia, and now we put this like "oh, it's fine..." :eek:

So, if we say LD refuse to wear a hat, or slam his rackets put "a bad image to the sport", then we take the "finger" incident as no harm? Because it's in Asia? :eek:

I simply replied was what you said below. This single part only. My opinion regarding the issue is the same with you...
How can you be pretty sure, after all? :confused:

I am pretty sure even a 3 years old who has well taught knows "it's wrong". :rolleyes:

[The Boxer]

Sigh, that was not the main point, once again you mis-interpret. The same as the other incidents, dont blow it out of porportion. LD fans can say that during those incidents...so....

And remember, you started the "LD taking hats off" thing 1st, and made long, long, paragraphs abt that and the racket throwing incident, etc ;). I was just explaining in reply(since you ask ppl to tell you why, why), and then you misinterpret some more.......some more rant, rant.

There're other incidents like stamping of shuttle, throwing temper, kicking umpire's podium(even the diciplined Korean MD did that bf), etc,etc, you all dont make a big fuss, just a few comments.... this one you want to make big fuss.;):D
(Unless of course Yonex wants to sue KKK for insulting their rackets)

And yet again, I didnt say it's ok or right make that gesture (it's you interpret it so). Just no need make super big fuss(the others already said or implied that). This is the 3rd thread talking abt it.

I think you need to put on the brakes as I can see things are maybe getting a little heated.

The way I see it, it was wrong of KKK to initiate that middle finger. And as a badminton player representing the nation, KKK should have conducted himself a little better on court.

As a Malaysian, I was disappointed with KKK.

[samuel882]

Sigh, that was not the main point, once again you mis-interpret. The same as the other incidents, dont blow it out of porportion. LD fans can say that during those incidents...so....

And remember, you started the "LD taking hats off" thing 1st, and made long, long, paragraphs abt that and the racket throwing incident, etc ;). I was just explaining in reply(since you ask ppl to tell you why, why), and then you misinterpret some more.......some more rant, rant.

There're other incidents like stamping of shuttle, throwing temper, kicking umpire's podium(even the diciplined Korean MD did that bf), etc,etc, you all dont make a big fuss, just a few comments.... this one you want to make big fuss.;):D
(Unless of course Yonex wants to sue KKK for insulting their rackets)

And yet again, I didnt say it's ok or right make that gesture (it's you interpret it so). Just no need make super big fuss(the others already said or implied that). This is the 3rd thread talking abt it.
Gosh ! When did that incident happened?:eek:
Did the umpire eventually fell off frm his chair? :o

[LazyBuddy]

I simply replied was what you said below. This single part only. My opinion regarding the issue is the same with you...
How can you be pretty sure, after all? :confused:


Seriously, does that really make a difference whether I used "3 years old", or "5 years old" or "10 years old" or even say "40 years old"? I was trying to say, "it's a common sense". Also, regardless what's the age factor, Koo clearly knows what he's doing. :cool:

Ok, my apology for using "3 years old". I will "upgrade" it to "15 years old" now. Does that take any responsibility off Koo's shoulder now? Or, people can stop picking my "common sense" rather than focus on this incident? :rolleyes:

[LazyBuddy]

Sigh, that was not the main point, once again you mis-interpret.

Maybe I am over sensitive? :rolleyes:

However, once I read the posts such as "oh, that sign is not well known in Asia", or "even 40 years old ppl do not know that sign", I immediately feel like someone is trying to make an excuse for the incident.

Well, I hope Koo can make a public apology, save the image for himself and the sport. ;)

[Jagdpanther]

Maybe I am over sensitive? :rolleyes:

However, once I read the posts such as "oh, that sign is not well known in Asia", or "even 40 years old ppl do not know that sign", I immediately feel like someone is trying to make an excuse for the incident.

Well, I hope Koo can make a public apology, save the image for himself and the sport. ;)
However, too, mister...
When I read some posts repeatedly mentioning LD taking off the hat incident again and again and again, dunno why, I feel like someone is trying to say, "Oh, compared to Koo's blatant action, what LD did was somewhat tolerable."

Well, maybe I'm over sensitive as well. Don't mind.:p

[krisss]

Gosh ! When did that incident happened?:eek:
Did the umpire eventually fell off frm his chair? :o

I think they are referring to the 2008 all england mens doubles finals.

Where one of the koreans kicked the umpires chair and recieved a yellow card. Although I'm not sure.

[LazyBuddy]

However, too, mister...
When I read some posts repeatedly mentioning LD taking off the hat incident again and again and again, dunno why, I feel like someone is trying to say, "Oh, compared to Koo's blatant action, what LD did was somewhat tolerable."

Well, maybe I'm over sensitive as well. Don't mind.:p

Actually, that's exactly what I was trying to say. ;)

To my moral standard, I do believe taking a hat off in frustration, is much better than showing "the finger" in front live TV. :cool:

[Jonc108]

Actually, that's exactly what I was trying to say. ;)

To my moral standard, I do believe taking a hat off in frustration, is much better than showing "the finger" in front live TV. :cool:

... you know what, Buddy, there are many people here kept seeing things in double or even multiple and selective standard, and like to blow up (LD's fault) or play down (KKK's fault) with the so-called reasons made up according to their favourite, and still like to play God... this is what we call hypocritical... anyway, this is also human nature... :(

[ye333]

LD slightly insulted a country/culture, while KKK severely insulted his racket. Which accident is more serious? :cool:


So, tell me why LD got bashed for 15 pages, when he put away the hat in MO? He was mad, but did not put his anger to anyone in that incident. :rolleyes: Sure, back then, fans say "that will piss off the sponsorship, therefore, bring bad image to badminton".

So, tell me this sign will not let any sponsorship or fans (ok, say western only) think twice? :rolleyes:

[Zabee]

countryof cos........1 should respect the culture, religion & customs , human rigths

[cooler]

LD slightly insulted a country/culture, while KKK severely insulted his racket. Which accident is more serious? :cool:


countryof cos........1 should respect the culture, religion & customs , human rigths
how about his own human rights?
how does a hat or not wearin it is related to religion?
custom is a joke, anybody can invent a custom. gential mutalition is a custom in some countries, r u abiding that custom too?

Is boleh a custom or a religion? Is the biggest flag pole or biggest pencil your religious monument? How come pemuda isn't arrested for bashing such deep rooted religion/custom???

[ye333]

I am just stating the facts. You have the right to think that there is no need to respect certain countries/cultures/customs, but you do not have the right to require those people to not feel insulted. Right? :cool:

Btw, do you think KKK's racket should be respected? :D


how about his own human rights?
how does a hat or not wearin it is related to religion?
custom is a joke, anybody can invent a custom. gential mutalition is a custom in some countries, r u abiding that custom too?

Is boleh a custom or a religion? Is the biggest flag pole or biggest pencil your religious monument? How come pemuda isn't arrested for bashing such deep rooted religion/custom???

[koo_fan]

LD slightly insulted a country/culture, while KKK severely insulted his racket. Which accident is more serious? :cool:

Hi ye333. I think both did not overtook each other. insulting. KKK shouldn't do that. Lin Dan too. kkk- a pro player did that in public and there's kids watching. Whatever the reason, that's an insult, to those who watching. Lin dan - need not to say, he should not refused to wear that hat, no matter how bad he felt at that time. He failed to show respect, to the Malaysians audience. I din put a yardstick to measure which is bad than the other.
There's no losing to say sorry, though. i'll be proud if kkk have the gut to do so.

[Jagdpanther]

how about his own human rights?
how does a hat or not wearin it is related to religion?
custom is a joke, anybody can invent a custom. gential mutalition is a custom in some countries, r u abiding that custom too?

To you, it's a joke, maybe.
To Malaysians, it's not.;)

[LazyBuddy]

LD slightly insulted a country/culture, while KKK severely insulted his racket. Which accident is more serious? :cool:

Insult his racket? Do you really think the impact is for just a racket? Great excuse. :mad:

If say someone takes off his pants in the public, and say, "hey, I just feel hot", without thinking about the public image, do you think the cop should not say anything? Do you think an excuse of "I am only dealing with my own pants" can get the person in no trouble? :confused:

Sure, you can do whatever do your rackets or pants, but do it at home. However, please do NOT do it in the public. You need to think what's the general public's standard is, and not just yourself.

[cooler]

To you, it's a joke, maybe.
To Malaysians, it's not.;)r u speaking for all malaysians or just a proxy for them?:p

[cooler]

LD slightly insulted a country/culture, while KKK severely insulted his racket. Which accident is more serious? :cool:get serious man, kkk insulted the whole international viewing audience. Why else gillian clarke apologized to the audience even tho she didn't do it?

[zqloy]

LD slightly insulted a country/culture, while KKK severely insulted his racket. Which accident is more serious? :cool:

Hahaha this is a good one. But i still think KKK is cursing himself rather than the racket :D:p

[LazyBuddy]

get serious man, kkk insulted the whole international viewing audience. Why else gillian clarke apologized to the audience even tho she didn't do it?

Like I said, next time Janet Jackson (or someone else) takes off clothes or pants during Live, should not get punishment. They simply do it with their own clothes, according our "ye333".

I just hope ye333 does not really try to attempt such, and try to get away from the law enforcement, though. :p

[cooler]

To you, it's a joke, maybe.
To Malaysians, it's not.;)


Hahaha this is a good one. But i still think KKK is cursing himself rather than the racket :D:p

i'm confused.:rolleyes:

[zqloy]

Cant understand the big fuss bout the finger. Even swearing has become such a norm to players. Not that i approve that type of behaviour but seriously, players r just human. Speaking of insulting the international audience, KKK's tiny finger is nothing compare to Chelsea's Drogba.

[Jagdpanther]

i'm confused.:rolleyes:
Which part?:confused:

[Wong8Egg]

LD slightly insulted a country/culture, while KKK severely insulted his racket. Which accident is more serious? :cool:

Which is more serious for kids who are looking after their hero figure?

Taking a hat off

OR

Pointing his/her middle finger (at the racket:rolleyes:)

[ctjcad]

...
Btw, do you think KKK's racket should be respected? :D

affected party should be Yonex. :D

...Now I know why KKK "fingered" his Yonex racket... KKK must have been thinking about getting out of his Yonex sponsorship by giving his Yonex racket "the finger" in front of public television, then get the attention of Li-Ning by screaming like a b*tch every time he does an overhead shot.;)
...

...Well, I hope Koo can make a public apology, save the image for himself and the sport. ;)

get serious man, kkk insulted the whole international viewing audience. Why else gillian clarke apologized to the audience even tho she didn't do it?

I think kkk should publicly apologized to end this. He's not aiming at anyone, guys. poor the racket, though.
Am not trying to find excuses, i am indeed 'hurt' to see my fav player doing that. ~
..since a few BCers have demanded an apology from KKK over his clip, i was thinking these are the few entities that should receive an apology:
1. His Yonex racket
2. Gillian Clark
3. The entire MAS tv viewers
4. The entire CHN tv viewers
5. The rest of the world tv viewers
6. The rest of the webstream viewers
7. Those not aware of what happened but are now emotionally affected by the picture
8. kwun and BC Mods for creating another uproar
:cool:

[ye333]

I never said KKK's behavior is appropriate and should not be punished. I was just pointing out that the KKK finger incident and LD hat incident are very much different -- KKK didn't insult anyone (although he mildly offends everyone), while LD did insult a certain group of people (although many other people are totally indifferent).


Insult his racket? Do you really think the impact is for just a racket? Great excuse. :mad:

If say someone takes off his pants in the public, and say, "hey, I just feel hot", without thinking about the public image, do you think the cop should not say anything? Do you think an excuse of "I am only dealing with my own pants" can get the person in no trouble? :confused:

Sure, you can do whatever do your rackets or pants, but do it at home. However, please do NOT do it in the public. You need to think what's the general public's standard is, and not just yourself.

[ye333]

Seriously man, it's not as serious as "insult". Players mumble dirty words all the time. LD was said to shout the f-word to a line judge during China Open 2007, LYB was heard verbally insulting the Japanese umpire in 06 WC, are they insulting all the audience too?


get serious man, kkk insulted the whole international viewing audience. Why else gillian clarke apologized to the audience even tho she didn't do it?

[ye333]

Oh yah, like most kids are not already doing worse things (than raising a finger toward a racket) these days.

IMHO, KKK definitely should apologize, but to say that his behavior will have this and that bad effect on kids is nonsense.


Which is more serious for kids who are looking after their hero figure?

Taking a hat off

OR

Pointing his/her middle finger (at the racket:rolleyes:)

[ye333]

What KKK did wrong is using a language that everyone can understand -- body language ...:D


Cant understand the big fuss bout the finger. Even swearing has become such a norm to players. Not that i approve that type of behaviour but seriously, players r just human. Speaking of insulting the international audience, KKK's tiny finger is nothing compare to Chelsea's Drogba.

[uncle_peanuts]

what game was this? was this against the koreans?

[ctjcad]

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64177&page=51 (starting w/post #851)..Semifinal round..

[cooler]

..since a few BCers have demanded an apology from KKK over his clip, i was thinking these are the few entities that should receive an apology:
1. His Yonex racket
2. Gillian Clark
3. The entire MAS tv viewers
4. The entire CHN tv viewers
5. The rest of the world tv viewers
6. The rest of the webstream viewers
7. Those not aware of what happened but are now emotionally affected by the picture
8. kwun and BC Mods for creating another uproar
:cool:actually i'm not looking for any apology from kkk. It's pointless because we now see too many politicans, celebrity, businessman (ex.spitzer's fantasy romp) apologizing which we know it's an act to save what reputation they have left. :D

[cooler]

Seriously man, it's not as serious as "insult". Players mumble dirty words all the time. LD was said to shout the f-word to a line judge during China Open 2007, LYB was heard verbally insulting the Japanese umpire in 06 WC, are they insulting all the audience too?
Any proof for a real debate? your premise is all based on hear say.
KKK's act is in technic color...which say...he isn't a very smart kid.

[cooler]

what game was this? was this against the koreans?nope, i think it was in the SF, against cai and fu

[cooler]

What KKK did wrong is using a language that everyone can understand -- body language ...:Dyup, if he did that FACING the umpire and the umpire saw it, i'm very sure he'll get at least a yellow card, more likely a game misconduct.

Actually, i am not concern or upset with kkk's act or want make a big fuss over it. The world still turns. It is just very educational to know how OTHERS think of it

[Bugsy]

Being himself or otherwise..KKK is making a fool out of himself.

[GunBlade008]

I love how people can cause such an uproar over such a small and pointless act LOL

[phaarix]

I love how people can cause such an uproar over such a small and pointless act LOL

Yeah, jeez I do things like that all the time :D. I mean sure it's different for professional players who need to think about their image... but all I thought when I saw the picture was "tsk tsk".

[bradmyster]

Yeh its a simple mistake to make which is blown way out of proportion by the media. Thats why at top level competition you have to be very very careful of what you do and say.
Because you are at the top leve, if you blink incorrectly the media will take offence to it and say LOOK WHAT HE DID!

This to me is no big deal. You should see the australian people when they play.....lol
Every 2 words is ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! when they make a mistake haha and its a huge shout lol

[pjswift]

Which is more serious for kids who are looking after their hero figure?

Taking a hat off

OR

Pointing his/her middle finger (at the racket:rolleyes:)
Kids won't understand the finger unless they have been taught the meaning. Neither would they understand the hat unless they are mature enough to think.

The finger shorthand probably originated from the west,and is understood by those in the east who are into sports or western culture. The rest of the east probably wouldn't even notice it, if it were not put up.
The hat thing wouldn't be understood unless you understand the meaning of showing respect for the host.
(Which was what LCW did for his Guangzhou hosts. Should he be wearing the Mao red neckchief? Maybe yes, maybe no. But his gesture made his hosts happy that he appeared as one of their own, in the photo at least. And why not? The hosts showed such graciousness to arrange such a big welcome for him so he ' actually felt like home'.When hosts go to that kind of trouble, they are paying the guest-of-honour the highest compliment.)

Which is worse, hat or finger?
Depends on what you want to teach the kids.
If you don't teach the kids about the finger, they will be immune to that kind of offence. So it will not even bother them.
If you don't teach the kids about the hat, life will still go on....until or unless they have to work with another culture or, as they say, go global.

[pjswift]

Oh, by the way,I had a chat with KKK during the SSF.
When I called him 'KKK', his first reaction was 'KKK?...' meaning he didn't know who was KKK since it's our shorthand for him and I forgot that.
Just to give you a first hand impression of him.
He's actually down-to-earth and easy to chat with. Has a spontaneous approach to questions (which probably made him rather popular with the Spore media during his winning days.Let's hope it will happen this SO.) Articulate with a good sense of humour.
Comes across as one who can give his best when he has the freedom to decide or participate in his outcome ; he 's not the type who's gonna just take instructions from the coach.
Of all the MAS players, he has the best body language on court : Always a picture of confidence regardless of play. But with KKK, it's not just a picture. Confidence is his trademark. Or when you don't like it, it's called arrogance. LCW can learn that from KKK.

[cooler]

Yeh its a simple mistake to make which is blown way out of proportion by the media. Thats why at top level competition you have to be very very careful of what you do and say.
Because you are at the top leve, if you blink incorrectly the media will take offence to it and say LOOK WHAT HE DID!

This to me is no big deal. You should see the australian people when they play.....lol
Every 2 words is ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! when they make a mistake haha and its a huge shout lol

i think u got it wrong.
blown way out of proportion by the media?
i didn't find any writeup in the news. Is it on the eveing news?
I think u r exaggerating our counterpoints to make you case because u couldn't come up with any real supporting points.

So ur behavior is based on how other behave? Are u exaggerating again? every 2 words from AUSSIES is ****?

[cooler]

Kids won't understand the finger unless they have been taught the meaning. Neither would they understand the hat unless they are mature enough to think.

I'm very certain that there are billions of mature people in this world don't know about this hat thing u r talking about. U must be much mature than alot of people huh?

The finger shorthand probably originated from the west,and is understood by those in the east who are into sports or western culture. The rest of the east probably wouldn't even notice it, if it were not put up.
The hat thing wouldn't be understood unless you understand the meaning of showing respect for the host.
(Which was what LCW did for his Guangzhou hosts. Should he be wearing the Mao red neckchief? Maybe yes, maybe no. But his gesture made his hosts happy that he appeared as one of their own, in the photo at least. And why not? The hosts showed such graciousness to arrange such a big welcome for him so he ' actually felt like home'.When hosts go to that kind of trouble, they are paying the guest-of-honour the highest compliment.)

Which is worse, hat or finger?
Depends on what you want to teach the kids.
If you don't teach the kids about the finger, they will be immune to that kind of offence. So it will not even bother them.
If you don't teach the kids about the hat, life will still go on....until or unless they have to work with another culture or, as they say, go global.

hahaha, ur joking me. Are u living in the jungle with the pygmies??? U think every child knowledge were taught by their parents? There are lots of things kids of today learned from frens, public places, media from billboard to tv to internet. I bet u almost all asian kids have exposed to western media and marketing before. Why don't u asked everyone here, where did they learned the giving the finger is obscene gesture, from their parents or from other sources.

[cooler]

Oh, by the way,I had a chat with KKK during the SSF.
When I called him 'KKK', his first reaction was 'KKK?...' meaning he didn't know who was KKK since it's our shorthand for him and I forgot that.
Just to give you a first hand impression of him.
He's actually down-to-earth and easy to chat with. Has a spontaneous approach to questions (which probably made him rather popular with the Spore media during his winning days.Let's hope it will happen this SO.) Articulate with a good sense of humour.
Comes across as one who can give his best when he has the freedom to decide or participate in his outcome ; he 's not the type who's gonna just take instructions from the coach.
Of all the MAS players, he has the best body language on court : Always a picture of confidence regardless of play. But with KKK, it's not just a picture. Confidence is his trademark. Or when you don't like it, it's called arrogance. LCW can learn that from KKK.

hahaha, another great analysis of your lol.

So in a 5 mins chat, u know a guy that well huh? There are serial killers which their close neighbors, friends, family members have no idea of although they knew the subject for years if not a lifetime. I guess u have that special people analysis skills that we don't have. We are in such awe:rolleyes:

Picture of confidence is his trademark?? Don't say i don't like the guy since i didn't have that 1 to 1 chat like u have but as an outsider looking in, he exude overconfident. So, displaying the finger gesture is a sign of confident huh? Man, i like to see what kind of men u r dating with.

[george@chongwei]

actually i think kkk/tbh does have a decent chance to beat fu/cai in the MD SC. After taking the first game, kkk weakness emerges again. In pemuda's words, he gone cocky. KKK and tbh played too casually in critical moments. Even gillian clarke took the words out of my mouth, it is 'criminal' to be so casual at the net ( KKK's foot flat on the mat, knees not bend to intercept an easy shot that went pass him. He was like standing up leisurely waiting at the food line)
as said earlier, they go out there just to enjoy their game, unlike the chinese, they are under pressure to clinch the winning point for china.

LOL...

Now I know why KKK "fingered" his Yonex racket... KKK must have been thinking about getting out of his Yonex sponsorship by giving his Yonex racket "the finger" in front of public television, then get the attention of Li-Ning by screaming like a b*tch every time he does an overhead shot.;)

Just imagine the next Li-Ning commerical...
"Our rackets are better than Yonex, let's us show you what a professional badminton player's opinion on Yonex racket", then shows the famous KKK middle fingered his own Yonex racket. LOL
let's get the yonex thingy out of this:rolleyes:;)

Gosh ! When did that incident happened?:eek:
Did the umpire eventually fell off frm his chair? :o
this is funny, i'm curious to know when did this takes place too.. eagle?:p

[george@chongwei]

lol, this thread is getting hotter and hotter. i think there should be some air cond here.
let's all calm ourselves down.
wow cooler, i can see you are very 'busy' in this thread, maybe u should have some rest?:D;)

[dunker]

hahaha, another great analysis of your lol.

So in a 5 mins chat, u know a guy that well huh? There are serial killers which their close neighbors, friends, family members have no idea of although they knew the subject for years if not a lifetime. I guess u have that special people analysis skills that we don't have. We are in such awe:rolleyes:

Picture of confidence is his trademark?? Don't say i don't like the guy since i didn't have that 1 to 1 chat like u have but as an outsider looking in, he exude overconfident. So, displaying the finger gesture is a sign of confident huh? Man, i like to see what kind of men u r dating with.


Come on cooler, she was just mentioning what her impression of KKK was after her chat, no need to attack her views. Your statements however does suggest that you have been living in a rat hole. I must say i do agree with most of your views on the matter. I just think you tend to be overly insulting towards some people.

[cooler]

Come on cooler, she was just mentioning what her impression of KKK was after her chat, no need to attack her views. Your statements however does suggest that you have been living in a rat hole. I must say i do agree with most of your views on the matter. I just think you tend to be overly insulting towards some people.
and i was just making a post analysis of her analysis of KKK.
I'm quite mild compared to pemuda, he knows alot more on bolehian psychic than i ever will:p

[cooler]

lol, this thread is getting hotter and hotter. i think there should be some air cond here.
let's all calm ourselves down.
wow cooler, i can see you are very 'busy' in this thread, maybe u should have some rest?:D;)
just filling in for pemuda while he's is resting up somewhere:D

[dunker]

Hahaha, it is indeed the truth that you cant match pemuda. Did not mean to offend you cooler.

[cooler]

Hahaha, it is indeed the truth that you cant match pemuda. Did not mean to offend you cooler.did i claim to be 1:confused:

[drifit]

lol, this thread is getting hotter and hotter. i think there should be some air cond here.
let's all calm ourselves down.
let me do this "finger" thing in my next baddy session and start a thread like this. then i will be famous like KKK. :cool:

maybe that time of match, KKK got carried away + angry at himself + unsatisfied with his shot, and he just fingered without thinking. too much pressure while playing against CY/FHF.

[jasonmarc]

Lol!

He is swearing at his racket :).

Don't blame the racket KKK:p

hehehe.......mybe he wanted to switch to LN..........:D:D:D

[Zabee]

since it already pass then we should just forget about it........

[phaarix]

So ur behavior is based on how other behave? Are u exaggerating again? every 2 words from AUSSIES is ****?

I can confirm that this is in fact true :D. I have relatives in Australia so I know what it's like over there. It's not just in badminton :p.

[LazyBuddy]

Oh yah, like most kids are not already doing worse things (than raising a finger toward a racket) these days.


You know why kids doing bad things these days? Because they are influenced by the society, influenced by th media, under the assumption such and such behavior is "cool" rather than "wrong". :cool:

Koo as a public figure, and a local hero to many, decide to contribute to the bad influence, rather than the positivie ones. If more and more make such decisions, no wonder kids can do worse and worse things. :cool:

[zqloy]

Oh, by the way,I had a chat with KKK during the SSF.
When I called him 'KKK', his first reaction was 'KKK?...' meaning he didn't know who was KKK since it's our shorthand for him and I forgot that.
Just to give you a first hand impression of him.
He's actually down-to-earth and easy to chat with. Has a spontaneous approach to questions (which probably made him rather popular with the Spore media during his winning days.Let's hope it will happen this SO.) Articulate with a good sense of humour.
Comes across as one who can give his best when he has the freedom to decide or participate in his outcome ; he 's not the type who's gonna just take instructions from the coach.
Of all the MAS players, he has the best body language on court : Always a picture of confidence regardless of play. But with KKK, it's not just a picture. Confidence is his trademark. Or when you don't like it, it's called arrogance. LCW can learn that from KKK.

Hehe LCW only shows some slight arrogance when playing lower rank players, should show more when playing LD though :p

[ye333]

So you mean back when there is no TV, kids were all pure as water? :D:D:D

Kids are most influenced by those adults around them, not by TV. Kids learn bad things mainly because there are many many bad people living in this world.

Anyway, so what is the effect of KKK's behavior? Let's say kids watching TV conclude that it's OK to show your frustration by raising THE finger toward your racket, big deal huh? :D:D:D

If you think that's indeed a big deal, then what's your opinion of LD throwing racket? What is the message kids get from that? How about LYB verbally insulting the Japanese umpire?


You know why kids doing bad things these days? Because they are influenced by the society, influenced by th media, under the assumption such and such behavior is "cool" rather than "wrong". :cool:

Koo as a public figure, and a local hero to many, decide to contribute to the bad influence, rather than the positivie ones. If more and more make such decisions, no wonder kids can do worse and worse things. :cool:

[pjswift]

hahaha, ur joking me. Are u living in the jungle with the pygmies??? U think every child knowledge were taught by their parents? There are lots of things kids of today learned from frens, public places, media from billboard to tv to internet. I bet u almost all asian kids have exposed to western media and marketing before. Why don't u asked everyone here, where did they learned the giving the finger is obscene gesture, from their parents or from other sources.
Did I indicate that kids can only be taught by their parents?

Kids are exposed to many sources of stimuli nowadays but they learn from the people they mix with the most. That may not be the parents if the parents are busy working.

Personally i don't respond to obscene gestures or language because they are not worth my time or energy.So your survey suggestion is out of question.

I have no problems with your rebuttals because it reflects on you.

[cooler]

Did I indicate that kids can only be taught by their parents?

Kids are exposed to many sources of stimuli nowadays but they learn from the people they mix with the most. That may not be the parents if the parents are busy working.

Personally i don't respond to obscene gestures or language because they are not worth my time or energy.So your survey suggestion is out of question.

I guess u wouldn't be doing more chatting with KKK, such missed opportunity to read into this guy for us curious minds.

I have no problems with your rebuttals because it reflects on you.yes , i have been reflecting alot over the years.

[bradmyster]

i think u got it wrong.
blown way out of proportion by the media?
i didn't find any writeup in the news. Is it on the eveing news?
I think u r exaggerating our counterpoints to make you case because u couldn't come up with any real supporting points.

So ur behavior is based on how other behave? Are u exaggerating again? every 2 words from AUSSIES is ****?

.......i think your a bit confused lol maybe its the cultural difference but if i say something like "the media blow things way out of proportion" im speaking in terms of anyone outside of the players. It can be coaches/spectators/news media/and down to something as simple as on the forums by us.
The word media here in australia is far broader than just the " news people" and "reporters" Thats merely 1 form of media.

Again maybe its just cultural differences but thats the view from here in australia lol.
So to sum it up i was saying "people who are seeing this are blowing it out of proportion. I dont feel its anything big"

Now on to the aussie things, if you spent 1 day with a group of people here in australia with me the swear words are quite frequent. And yeh i was exaggerating with "**** every 2 words.." but why the hell do you have to take every sentance from the internet so literally? lol

[bradmyster]

and how am i trying to make a case lol??? im merely stating my opinion and views...i dont really give a crap if you guys agree or not. If i wanted to construct an analytical essay on the positive and negative effects of media influences, then im confident id have no trouble.
#1 its a internet forum
#2 its a single post not aimed in general at any particular member or poster
#3 If you dont have anything better to do with your time then try and shut people down on the internet, then i think you have to rethink a few things lol

Calm down and dont take things so literally.

[LazyBuddy]

If you think that's indeed a big deal, then what's your opinion of LD throwing racket? What is the message kids get from that? How about LYB verbally insulting the Japanese umpire?


I never said LD's behavior was right. In that thread, I numerously said regardless the reason, LD should apologize.

However, we are talk about KKK right now, not LD. Whether LD is a better person or worse overall, it's NOT related in this particular case.

Please, peeling off others' old scar, does not make you a better person yourself. :o

[LazyBuddy]

Kids learn bad things mainly because there are many many bad people living in this world.



So, since the world is already bad, it's ok to contribute your own "bad" share? :eek: Isn't that exactly the reason, we are going down deeper? :rolleyes:

Sure, KKK is not god, and KKK does not single handly make all the angels into devils. However, his action sure is on the negative side. Yes, we have many many bad ppl already, and I do not want KKK to be one of them. :o

[X Ball]

I think it is instintive -- he is an animal when he is playing. When he loses, it brings out the worse in him.:D

[huangkwokhau]

It is human nature that we learn bad things much faster..haha...seriously..when we learn foreign languages..first thing we learn is how to say the bad words...well...jokes aside...now it is tough to control kids how to behave ....for example...wearling low jeans whith exposed underwear is cool for kids now....not for us..with internet, kids learn things faster....

[phaarix]

No seriously... big deal. When I was a kid which was only around 10 years ago, I just didn't CARE about things like this. I really wouldn't have paid any attention to it whatsoever. I might have chuckled... and then forgotten about it. The problem is adults who pay way too much attention to it. They seem to forget that kids just don't give a stuff. Kids can and do think. Most of them aren't as delicate and easily swayed as you make them out to be.

How about this... are people more likely to notice it now that people have made such a huge deal out of it? Yes! So if you're trying to be a good role model, why give it even more exposure than it already had... EVERY kid is exposed to stuff like this, it's unavoidable. It was wrong for KKK to do it sure. But it wasn't worth all this. This is just ridiculous :rolleyes:!

[arowana]

the old guys learn also, even from the internet, only slower...maybe one day some older BCers might give low jeans a try, if only Taufik, LCW or PG start wearing it :) look at how people here thrown away all their Yonex clothes to buy Li Ning stuff now ;)

[ctjcad]

..in non-western culture:

..can you guys believe this sign below means the same thing in Sri Lanka??:eek:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/SriLankanfinger.JPG
And this one means the same thing in Iran and Afghanistan??:eek:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/The_Thumbs-up_position.jpg/180px-The_Thumbs-up_position.jpg

..would anyone be offended or disturbed if KKK had used one of those signs??..:confused:

[cooler]

the old guys learn also, even from the internet, only slower...maybe one day some older BCers might give low jeans a try, if only Taufik, LCW or PG start wearing it :) look at how people here thrown away all their Yonex clothes to buy Li Ning stuff now ;)
i think the seniors do wear their jeans very low, so loose and low in facts they tend to fall off. That's why seniors wear suspender too:p

[drifit]

dear ctjcad,
are you sure the infos provided are true? :eek:

maybe KKK wants to do a punch and that finger cramp. :rolleyes:

[ctjcad]

..which now you forced me to give this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger_(gesture)

[BadFever]

..in non-western culture:

..can you guys believe this sign below means the same thing in Sri Lanka??:eek:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/SriLankanfinger.JPG
..would anyone be offended or disturbed if KKK had used one of those signs??..:confused:
If this is gesture is the same as the one KKK did, you should start a similar thread for FHF as well. He did the above gesture on the 3rd set. :p

[ctjcad]

..check out his pic in the "Sudirman Cup Picture" thread..;)

[eaglehelang]

..which now you forced me to give this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger_(gesture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger_%28gesture))

Wah, isnt that supposed to be no 1, like 1st service? Like that, a lot of ppl in trouble leh ;);)

[ctjcad]

..numero uno, good job, thumbs up...but make sure one doesn't show it to non-western folks..;)

[AlanY]

Now on to the aussie things, if you spent 1 day with a group of people here in australia with me the swear words are quite frequent. And yeh i was exaggerating with "**** every 2 words.
not that surprising considering where they came from, or their grandfather's grandfather's ...........

[Zabee]

thee'sa a malay proverb " who ever eatean chilli who will taste the spicyness".......

[ye333]

I never said it's OK for KKK to do that. Check my posts. I said clearly he should apologize.

I am just quite surprised by some people claiming this and that bad effect KKK's behavior will have on kids. Since IMHO, his behavior is definitely not as serious as LD throwing racket and LYB cursing umpire, because KKK had no malevolent intention to any other people.


So, since the world is already bad, it's ok to contribute your own "bad" share? :eek: Isn't that exactly the reason, we are going down deeper? :rolleyes:

Sure, KKK is not god, and KKK does not single handly make all the angels into devils. However, his action sure is on the negative side. Yes, we have many many bad ppl already, and I do not want KKK to be one of them. :o

[LazyBuddy]

because KKK had no malevolent intention to any other people.

Well, I wonder how you can be so sure, as I am pretty sure you are not him. :rolleyes:

When people apply an action, s/he either wants to directly do it to others, or s/he has the intention to let others notice it, especially s/he does it in the public.

Anyway, I feel like there's nothing to chew on this topic. Clearly, many ppl here have very different moral standards, and very different intention whether being on which side.

I just hope Koo can make an apology in the public, and clean up his image. Whether LD or LYB can be good boys or public enemy (as they are always, since they kept winning), that's another story. :D

[ctjcad]

...
When people apply an action, s/he either wants to directly do it to others, or s/he has the intention to let others notice it, especially s/he does it in the public.

Anyway, I feel like there's nothing to chew on this topic. Clearly, many ppl here have very different moral standards, and very different intention whether being on which side.
...
- I think it's neither he wants to directly do it to others or he has the intention to let others notice it. I think, as others already mentioned, it was more of a mindless reaction which perhaps could be a result of his habit or tendency to give such reaction when he's frustrated. The camera, just so happened, caught him in the act.
- Concur. This has been blown up way more than it really should be..

[cooler]

- I think it's neither he wants to directly do it to others or he has the intention to let others notice it. I think, as others already mentioned, it was more of a mindless reaction which perhaps could be a result of his habit or tendency to give such reaction when he's frustrated. The camera, just so happened, caught him in the act.
- Concur. This has been blown up way more than it really should be..r u sure? pemuda hasn't got his words in yet:p

[ctjcad]

..and when do you think he'll be back???...:confused::eek: ;)

[koo_fan]

r u sure? pemuda hasn't got his words in yet:p
I thought you was here to fill the empty seat.

[ctjcad]

..koo_fan missed Pemuda, too.. ;)

[bradmyster]

not that surprising considering where they came from, or their grandfather's grandfather's ...........

whats that supposed to impose mate? lol

[george@chongwei]

relax and get that guy(pemuda) out of here;)

[Amin Khalili]

KKK and TBH seem stronger if they teamwork ..

[koo_fan]

relax and get that guy(pemuda) out of here;)
I don't think any of us ( regular member) ought to say this. Chill, george.

[Ajaib]

KKK is just a player with no Olympic gold like LYD or WC tittle like CY/FHF...
so he tried to gain attention from people with his middle finger... it's so so so pitty....
if he do this again.. than forever he will be a so so mediocre players in and out court...

[jasonmarc]

KKK is just a player with no Olympic gold like LYD or WC tittle like CY/FHF...
so he tried to gain attention from people with his middle finger... it's so so so pitty....
if he do this again.. than forever he will be a so so mediocre players in and out court...

I agree,....but i think he didnt did it on purpose.......so pls forgive him and give him another chance to correct his act and be a better person as a professional badminton player............:p:p

[Zabee]

poor Koo K K seems like everybody is picking up on him.....

[cooler]

..koo_fan missed Pemuda, too.. ;)we don't know for sure, we don't know what they do when they're aren't posting;)

[limsy]

KKK is just a player with no Olympic gold like LYD or WC tittle like CY/FHF...
so he tried to gain attention from people with his middle finger... it's so so so pitty....
if he do this again.. than forever he will be a so so mediocre players in and out court...

hahahahahahahahahahaha
great,i love ur comment:D
can i know what others player do to gain attention from people?
i mean those hundred of none wc/og winner:confused::rolleyes:

[ctjcad]

..did anyone notice it? In the 1st game, towards the end, of his match vs. LD, LCW almost blurted the magic word out of his mouth...The camera caught him with his mouth motioning a "Pfffff....." and was ready to explode and spill it out...http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif

[cooler]

hahahahahahahahahahaha
great,i love ur comment:D
can i know what others player do to gain attention from people?
i mean those hundred of none wc/og winner:confused::rolleyes:photo makes a great screen saver:D

[Zabee]

they can go naked ............:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Amin Khalili]

One of the most impossible thing ..
Maybe if that happen .. koo_fan will always watch it ...

[Zabee]

or anyone can do a Eric Cantona kung fu kick... or give the umpire a " chokeslam " hHhahaha...

[jaydee]

So much fuss about the international language finger, the fact he's acting like a normal human like me and all of us here..

btw, Great Job KKK!

[george@chongwei]

so actually we must thank KKK for this huh?
because of him, we have this thread to discuss about and is going strong too:D

[Zabee]

yes indeed.......:):):)

[Wong8Egg]

I just finish watching the game between KKK/TBH and Cai/Fu. And how interestingly KKK just walked away after the game without hand shakes with Cai/Fu, embarrassment, unsportsmanship?

KKK/TBH could win the game if they played with less "show off" attidute.

[jaydee]

I just finish watching the game between KKK/TBH and Cai/Fu. And how interestingly KKK just walked away after the game without hand shakes with Cai/Fu, embarrassment, unsportsmanship?

KKK/TBH could win the game if they played with less "show off" attidute.

Of course dude.. how to shake hands when your opponent is jumping around celebrating?.. If I were there I don't think I'll wait for them to finish celebrating for 10 mins with their coach etc then shake hands either. Once you win you wanna celebrate, go ahead, but don't expect ppl to wait for you all day to shake hands with you right? Nothing wrong with that. If you win you walk to the front immediately to shake hands, then celebrate no problem.

Just my opinion... for me they will lose if they play with 'less show' off attitude. Like how LCW play against LD, No character at all.... Thats why his mind become weaker while Lin Dan always have his 'victory cry' and stuff. I don't think there is anything wrong. Its just your character. I think KKK/TBH got very close fight with the china team because they played with this confidence.

Like Rexy once told KKK/TBH that they respect their opponent too much, thats why they lost, and I belelive that. When Rexy was playing for indo, look at them. They always look like their ready to 'eat' you up (lol). And their game play was amazing. Just my 2 cents. Of course end of the day, its more for confidence, and respect your opponent, and thats about it. :)

[Oldhand]

As far as sporting gestures go, Koo Kien Keat has a new cousin in Ben Cousins (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/02/2587527.htm?section=justin). :o

KKK is lucky that he isn't in the Australian Football League. Clearly, the AFL views such conduct far more seriously than the BAM although Cousins said his action was 'tongue-in-cheek' ;)

[Zabee]

hmm...then if that dude peform a Zidane head butt then he's totally finish for good..

[Amin Khalili]

hmm...then if that dude peform a Zidane head butt then he's totally finish for good..
If that happen tell me ....

[cooler]

I love how people can cause such an uproar over such a small and pointless act LOL


Yeah, jeez I do things like that all the time :D. I mean sure it's different for professional players who need to think about their image... but all I thought when I saw the picture was "tsk tsk".
Even AFL can't stand for that.
i guess you guy's standards are too high for us.

next time, try doing it in front in public or front of a 250 lb dude.
Practising in front of your mirror doesn't count as doing it all the time.

[algonquinsmash]

That's what he thinks of his NS9900 :p.
Yeah.. shoulda stuck to his ti-10..

[Ajaib]

hahahahahahahahahahaha
great,i love ur comment:D
can i know what others player do to gain attention from people?
i mean those hundred of none wc/og winner:confused::rolleyes:
at least they didn't use their middle finger to gain attention...

[Ajaib]

So much fuss about the international language finger, the fact he's acting like a normal human like me and all of us here..

btw, Great Job KKK!
normal ( educated) human don't act like that...

[george@chongwei]

normal ( educated) human don't act like that...
it's normal..normal human have feelings:D:p
lol

[koo_fan]

it's normal..normal human have feelings:D:p
lol
Though i think kkk was not cool when he did that, i just have to get rid of the fanaticism, and he's just a a kkk. Normal human la. "Normal human have feelings". Sure. I hope he can express it in a better way, next time. Good luck!

[hezudao]

wow i just learned of this vulgar act...unsurprisingly, the malaysian supporters just try to downplay the incident. if it was lin dan doing it, those people would be all over him ...my advise is if you can dish it then u should be able to take it as well

[LazyBuddy]

Of course dude.. how to shake hands when your opponent is jumping around celebrating?.. If I were there I don't think I'll wait for them to finish celebrating for 10 mins with their coach etc then shake hands either. Once you win you wanna celebrate, go ahead, but don't expect ppl to wait for you all day to shake hands with you right? Nothing wrong with that. If you win you walk to the front immediately to shake hands, then celebrate no problem.



My question is, why can't they wait for a few minutes? Seriously, the CHN pair did NOT celebrate the whole day, not even for 5 hours, right? :rolleyes:

In any sports, the champion team usually have a wild celebration (with fans involved, sometimes), then, both team shaking hands, etc. The losing end usually stay on the side quietly, even some with tears, but still wait to congrats the winning team. No, I am not saying they need to wait for entire day also.

It's the sportsmanship, period. ;)