It's time for LCW to prove himself..

[Ajaib]

many people said that LCW is the second best to LD now...

i'm so happy to see the draw in INA and SO,,,
Finally i will see LCW vs BCL and/or CJ this year.....
last year LCW won much tittle but less facing this two Chinese aces..
and now this is the time For LCW to prove that the second best To LD is him, not CJ or BCL...

[Jing09]

Yeah it is true that many people think LD is above all. LCW lost to LD in the Sudirman Cup Semi Final, and my opinion is that LCW wasn't as close to LD (based on the scores).

The commentor kept saying "LCW, world #1 against LD, olympic champion."
So is LCW #1 only because of the titles he won throughout his carreer?

LCW will be facing a lot of challenges in the upcoming tournaments.

[george@chongwei]

many people said that LCW is the second best to LD now...

i'm so happy to see the draw in INA and SO,,,
Finally i will see LCW vs BCL and/or CJ this year.....
last year LCW won much tittle but less facing this two Chinese aces..
and now this is the time For LCW to prove that the second best To LD is him, not CJ or BCL...
to prove what?:rolleyes:if you say last year chong wei won most of his titles without meeting bcl or cj, then u are wrong i think. its china team who didnt register their players to international tournaments due to preparation for the OG.
u gotta kidding me, prove that he's the second best to Ld?:p lol

[george@chongwei]

The commentor kept saying "LCW, world #1 against LD, olympic champion."
So is LCW #1 only because of the titles he won throughout his carreer?

LCW will be facing a lot of challenges in the upcoming tournaments.
That's because on paper and based on the ranking points, LCW is current wr1 and Ld is the OG champion.. anything wrong with that? how are u gonna agaisnt that? yes, always the wr1 player are the one to beat:cool:

[Jing09]

That's because on paper and based on the ranking points, LCW is current wr1 and Ld is the OG champion.. anything wrong with that? how are u gonna agaisnt that? yes, always the wr1 player are the one to beat:cool:

Nothing is wrong with that:p I was just curious about how the world ranking works.

But still, LD is a big obstacle to LCW. Rivals till the end :D

[jasonmarc]

That's because on paper and based on the ranking points, LCW is current wr1 and Ld is the OG champion.. anything wrong with that? how are u gonna agaisnt that? yes, always the wr1 player are the one to beat:cool:

Yes,...Olympic champion and World Champion also always the one to beat mah.....!:cool::cool:

[ctjcad]

...
So is LCW #1 only because of the titles he won throughout his carreer?
...

... I was just curious about how the world ranking works.
...
...and all the banters, arguments, explanations and all that's related, you can read more in this thread:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68862

[badders2006]

Yes,...Olympic champion and World Champion also always the one to beat mah.....!:cool::cool:

You left out All England Champion ;)

LD is top. He has won (and is defending) everything that matters and holds a vastly superior H2H against LCW. There is nothing to suggest otherwise.

[bananakid]

many people said that LCW is the second best to LD now...

i'm so happy to see the draw in INA and SO,,,
Finally i will see LCW vs BCL and/or CJ this year.....
last year LCW won much tittle but less facing this two Chinese aces..
and now this is the time For LCW to prove that the second best To LD is him, not CJ or BCL...


LCW will win against Bao and CJ when the tournament is only at a super series level, but once they meet at a major tournament, LCW will LOSE to both Bao and CJ (World championship 06 lost to Bao, and AE 08 lost to Chen Jin)

[cooler]

LCW will win against Bao and CJ when the tournament is only at a super series level, but once they meet at a major tournament, LCW will LOSE to both Bao and CJ (World championship 06 lost to Bao, and AE 08 lost to Chen Jin)BCL and CJ haven't compete much lately, they are itching to strut their stuffs to LYB:D

[george@chongwei]

LCW will win against Bao and CJ when the tournament is only at a super series level, but once they meet at a major tournament, LCW will LOSE to both Bao and CJ (World championship 06 lost to Bao, and AE 08 lost to Chen Jin)
looks like your theory quite true though but maybe your theory just works during the past 2-4 years.we'll see if your wish come true too this year.:D 2006 and 2008 yup, chong wei did lost to them. but what about 2009?;) wait for it this time.

[laivc]

The commentor kept saying "LCW, world #1 against LD, olympic champion."


If I remember correctly, the commentator was saying something like this, "LCW the world no.1 ranked player against LD, the reigning Olympic and World Champion". Irony, I'm thinking :rolleyes:, so who is better?

[X Ball]

Like it or not, LCW will be hard to beat in the Singapore Open.

[AlanY]

the way to prove you are one of the best is to start and keep on winning the BIG ones. to start with is the WC in Aug, AE next year and may be single handed to help MAS to win the next TC. the ultimate goal of course is the London 2010 and may be a couple of AE & WC titles before that. that's how to prove yourself, not singapore or malaysia opens at your doorstep!

[limsy]

many people said that LCW is the second best to LD now...

i'm so happy to see the draw in INA and SO,,,
Finally i will see LCW vs BCL and/or CJ this year.....
last year LCW won much tittle but less facing this two Chinese aces..
and now this is the time For LCW to prove that the second best To LD is him, not CJ or BCL...

haha,ya
agree agree
so do lindan need to beat u to prove he is not only better than taufik,but also u?
can i complain like:lindan won wc/tc/sc/ae/og JUST because he never meet the top timor leste ms player?:rolleyes:

anyway,the FACT IS:
cj is better than lcw because cj have ae:rolleyes:
and bcl is better than lcw as lcw never enter wc final:rolleyes:
prove what? no need proof lar,:rolleyes:he cant even overcome hafiz the 2003 ae winner(acording to many bcers theory,the major title theory):rolleyes:read the post below if u dont understand what is the major title theory:rolleyes:
proof what?he not the 2nd best,
th(og winner) is there,peter gade(ae winner) is there and the list go on:rolleyes:
u should know who is better now:rolleyes:


the way to prove you are one of the best is to start and keep on winning the BIG ones. to start with is the WC in Aug, AE next year and may be single handed to help MAS to win the next TC. the ultimate goal of course is the London 2010 and may be a couple of AE & WC titles before that. that's how to prove yourself, not singapore or malaysia opens at your doorstep!

see,ajaib,ur point is meaningless;)
acording to the major title theory
cj is one of the best,peter gade is one of the best,lindan is one of th best,so is th,but lcw?:rolleyes:

[extremenanopowe]

LCW is the main man. Crowd puller. ;)

[indra]

It's extremely hard to defeat LCW in South East Asia SSs.
It is easy to defeat Chinese MS in South East Asia SSs.

Defeating LCW in South East Asia SSs is like drinking boiling water.
Defeating Chinese MS in SEA SSs is like drinking cool orange juice.

[drifit]

It's extremely hard to defeat LCW in South East Asia SSs.
It is easy to defeat Chinese MS in South East Asia SSs.

Defeating LCW in South East Asia SSs is like drinking boiling water.
Defeating Chinese MS in SEA SSs is like drinking cool orange juice.
this is a good one.
rather than LCW to prove himself, i want to see the above-statement is either true or false. :D

[jasonmarc]

It's extremely hard to defeat LCW in South East Asia SSs.
It is easy to defeat Chinese MS in South East Asia SSs.

Defeating LCW in South East Asia SSs is like drinking boiling water.
Defeating Chinese MS in SEA SSs is like drinking cool orange juice.

Same goes to TH,...


Its extremely hard to defeat TH in Indonesia SS
It is easy to defeat Chn MS in Indonesia SS,

Defeating TH in Indonesia SS is like drinking boiling water,
Defeating Chinese MS in Indonesia SS is like drinking cool orange juice.....:D

[OneToughBirdie]

It's extremely hard to defeat LCW in South East Asia SSs.
It is easy to defeat Chinese MS in South East Asia SSs.

Defeating LCW in South East Asia SSs is like drinking boiling water.
Defeating Chinese MS in SEA SSs is like drinking cool orange juice.

Wakakaka!!! you are good...oh heck...make it you are great!!!:D:p

[bananakid]

Only morons would think that LCW's 5 times Mas title(SEA tournament) is as significant as Lin Dan's 4AE, 2WC, 1OG, 3TC, and 3SC titls.:rolleyes: At least Taufik can say he has got some OG, WC, and AG to go along with his 6 Ina titles.

[indra]

Only morons would think that LCW's 5 times Mas title(SEA tournament) is as significant as Lin Dan's 4AE, 2WC, 1OG, 3TC, and 3SC titls.:rolleyes: At least Taufik can say he has got some OG, WC, and AG to go along with his 6 Ina titles.

Remember, LD's titles must be divided by 3 or 4 ...:D

[laivc]

Remember, LD's titles must be divided by 3 or 4 ...:D

Don't agreed with you with your statement, but... still better than NOTHING for the major world titles!

[weeyeh]

Like it or not, LCW will be hard to beat in the Singapore Open.

He'd better... I already bet SGD18 on that (add SGD1 on charges). :D:D:D

[laivc]

Only morons would think that LCW's 5 times Mas title(SEA tournament) is as significant as Lin Dan's 4AE, 2WC, 1OG, 3TC, and 3SC titls.:rolleyes: At least Taufik can say he has got some OG, WC, and AG to go along with his 6 Ina titles.

Agreed with you :). However in this world, different people will have different opinions, aspirations and targets in life, some LCW supportors will see more glories in winning SS titles (particularly those SS titles held in South East Asia) than winning any major significant world titles like OG, WC, AE, TC & SC, as these are the only titles (SS titles, particularly in SEA) their hero can achieve and look forward to. Maybe that's the how we separate the boy from the men.:D

[indra]

Agreed with you :). However in this world, different people will have different opinions, aspirations and targets in life, some LCW supportors will see more glories in winning SS titles (particularly those SS titles held in South East Asia) than winning any major significant world titles like OG, WC, AE, TC & SC, as these are the only titles (SS titles, particularly in SEA) their hero can achieve and look forward to. Maybe that's the how we separate the boy from the men.:D

:D:D:D:D you are so serious Buddy:D:D:D:D

[AlanY]

there are 12 SS titles a year, 8 in Asia and 4 in Europe.
In 2008, LCW entered 10, played in 8 with 2 withdrawn, and won 2.
guess what, MAS and Singapore opens.
the record said it all, isn't it?
better this year with 2 titles already. you probably got it already, yes MAS again.
now, this is really going to scare the hell out of everyboby, wouldn't it?

[limsy]

Only morons would think that LCW's 5 times Mas title(SEA tournament) is as significant as Lin Dan's 4AE, 2WC, 1OG, 3TC, and 3SC titls.:rolleyes: At least Taufik can say he has got some OG, WC, and AG to go along with his 6 Ina titles.

aiya,why compare lcw with lindan?:rolleyes:
even hafiz is better than lcw in term of major title:rolleyes:
so please dont insult lindan by comparing lcw with lindan:rolleyes:
compare apple to apple,grapes to grapes:rolleyes:
compare lindan with th,pg,cj,hafiz:rolleyes:
compare lcw with bp,as,lee tsuen seng,roslin can already:rolleyes:

[bananakid]

Only morons would think that LCW's 5 times Mas title(SEA tournament) is as significant as Lin Dan's 4AE, 2WC, 1OG, 3TC, and 3SC titls.:rolleyes: At least Taufik can say he has got some OG, WC, and AG to go along with his 6 Ina titles.


aiya,why compare lcw with lindan?:rolleyes:
even hafiz is better than lcw in term of major title:rolleyes:
so please dont insult lindan by comparing lcw with lindan:rolleyes:
compare apple to apple,grapes to grapes:rolleyes:
compare lindan with th,pg,cj,hafiz:rolleyes:
compare lcw with bp,as,lee tsuen seng,roslin can already:rolleyes:


Only morons would end every sentence with a ":rolleyes:" even though it is not even a sarcastic statement.:(

By the way, just for your information, I did not start to compare Lin Dan and LCW in this thread if you are even interested to learn to read, or refer back to earlier posts.

Also, it is beneficial for you to know that ":rolleyes:" does not equal to "...", which you tend to overly use as usual.

[LazyBuddy]

Only morons would think that LCW's 5 times Mas title(SEA tournament) is as significant as Lin Dan's 4AE, 2WC, 1OG, 3TC, and 3SC titls.:rolleyes: At least Taufik can say he has got some OG, WC, and AG to go along with his 6 Ina titles.


Lol...

If I want to count achievment I got from local tournaments, guess I might be better than LCW, TH or even LD. Of course, you have to give me a big "IF" (if quantity over quality). :D

If that's still not enough, I can start to count how many games I won for a particular day, or how many points I got in a particular game, etc... This or that, my quantity will soon over run LD, LCW and TH quantity combined. :p

[badders2006]

Only morons would end every sentence with a ":rolleyes:" even though it is not even a sarcastic statement.:(

By the way, just for your information, I did not start to compare Lin Dan and LCW in this thread if you are even interested to learn to read, or refer back to earlier posts.

Also, it is beneficial for you to know that ":rolleyes:" does not equal to "...", which you tend to overly use as usual.

you know bananakid, like your posting style. blunt and to the point. none of this beat around the bush be overly polite style which is all too familar on these boards.
I like to think that I post in a similar manner. I take it from your username you are a "hua ren/ hua yi"? ethnic chinese but born/ raised overseas?

anyway, back to topic. I do feel for LCW. He has yet to trump LD when it comes to the Badminton Majors.

In the press, he has likened his rivalry against LD to that of Federer vs Nadal (regarding himself as the equivalent of Nadal presumably).

http://www.badmintonplanet.com/badminton-news/1163-chong-wei-a-match-for-lin-dan-.html

As much as he wants this to be the case, it is foolish and quite frankly wrong for him to make such a comparison. Why? because Nadal OWNS Federer when you look at their Head to Head, and perhaps more importantly, Nadal has faced Federer in 7 Major finals, and won 5 of them. What does that say? It doesn't say Nadal is the better player in terms of skill or talent, because aside from FO 08, their matches are decided on a mere few, but crucial, points. It says Nadal has the mental edge and the ability to step up when it most matters.

I'm not sure how many times in total LCW has faced LD in a Badminton "Major" (which I regard as WC, AE and OG), but I'm pretty sure he has never ever beaten LD in any of these tournaments. Hence it was foolish or at the very best premature for LCW to make such a statement. Come the biggest moments of the sport, LD has the vastly superior mental strength and the ability to step up when it most matters.

[HaoFung]

A simple thought...

Most people would be amazed that LD would lose to anyone but LCW (even that is still surprising sometimes)

Most people would NOT be surprised to see LCW lose to players other than LD

So that says it all about how people feel, even those hardcore LCW supporters

But LCW is an extremely good player and the reason he almost won nothing is because he doesnt choke in the semis vs top tier players, he must also not choke vs LD and hope LD chokes in the final

[badders2006]

A question, what is the current Head to Head record between LD v LCW?
I'm pretty sure it's still heavily lopsided...

[bananakid]

Lol...

If I want to count achievment I got from local tournaments, guess I might be better than LCW, TH or even LD. Of course, you have to give me a big "IF" (if quantity over quality). :D

If that's still not enough, I can start to count how many games I won for a particular day, or how many points I got in a particular game, etc... This or that, my quantity will soon over run LD, LCW and TH quantity combined. :p

As good as you may be(possibly better than LD, LCW, TH, and etc), you are still not as good as bananakid here. Come to the Alberta series, and I will wait for you in the MS final. LOL:p you may have trouble beating Cooler first though. haha...


It's extremely hard to defeat LCW in South East Asia SSs.
It is easy to defeat Chinese MS in South East Asia SSs.

It is extremely hard to defeat bananakid in the Calgary, Alberta extreme rules tournament

Beating Taufik in the Calgary, Alberta tournament is easy... as I am sure I can beat Taufik and LCW(possibly 2 on 1) no problem. By the way, the match will take place in Calgary during January, and it will be in someone's backyard(since badminton is the most popular backyard sport in Canada) while it is -35 degrees outside. No.. we don't play with any winter coat on because we like the extreme style.

[bananakid]

A question, what is the current Head to Head record between LD v LCW?
I'm pretty sure it's still heavily lopsided...

something around 13:6 or 14:6 with Lin Dan leading. That's including the team events as well.

if we are not including team events, then minus 1 on Lin Dan's side, and minus 2 on LCW's side.

[cooler]

from memory, LD lost to LCW

07 japan open (it was at the SF, LD came out from an injury rest over, still rusty)
sudirman cup (china won it anyway)
Thomas cup (china won it anyway)
09 swiss open

[bananakid]

from memory, LD lost to LCW

japan open (LD came out from an injury rest over, still rusty)
sudirman cup (china won it anyway)
Thomas cup (china won it anyway)
swiss open

don't forget the Mas opens(05,06). haha... those are the times that keep the boleh fans' faith and boleh spirit alive.:cool:

[cooler]

don't forget the Mas opens(05,06). haha... those are the times that keep the boleh fans' faith and boleh spirit alive.:cool:lol, oh ya, how did i forget that hat insult incidence...
To me, that is not an insult. A real insult is when LD beat lcw in MO.

[bananakid]

lol, oh ya, how did i forget that:D

because you are too busy dealing with those hardcore Taufik fans.:p

[AlanY]

It is extremely hard to defeat bananakid in the Calgary, Alberta extreme rules tournament

Beating Taufik in the Calgary, Alberta tournament is easy... as I am sure I can beat Taufik and LCW(possibly 2 on 1) no problem. By the way, the match will take place in Calgary during January, and it will be in someone's backyard(since badminton is the most popular backyard sport in Canada) while it is -35 degrees outside. No.. we don't play with any winter coat on because we like the extreme style.
well, i wouldn't be so sure about that. recently when LYB asked about team CHN's chance with the new LN rackets. he said that it wouldn't be any problems and said that LD will still win even if he play with a squash racket against any good club players!

[cooler]

because you are too busy dealing with those hardcore Taufik fans.:phahahaha, u know me well, much too well :D Yes, back then, i haven't had a clue what is a boleh and was mostly tied up with TH fans. LCW fans back then were just 'green shoots':p

[bananakid]

well, i wouldn't be so sure about that. recently when LYB asked about team CHN's chance with the new LN rackets. he said that it wouldn't be any problems and said that LD will still win even if he play with a squash racket against any good club players!

oh... you must not have ever experienced -35 degrees with wind chill that feels like -50 degrees. :p Lin Dan may be able to deal with the cold, since part of China has cold winter, but I am sure not Taufik or LCW.

[indra]

In fact, LCW is better than LD in most aspects.

[laivc]

In fact, LCW is better than LD in most aspects.

Where? Better looking?

[bananakid]

IMO, LD is not as super as you have thought..As long as he has not won a title in Indonesia. LCW won once...so LCW in my opinion is A LOT stronger mentally and physically than LD...Playing in Jakarta is totally different from playing elsewhere. Jakarta is the "most extreme" ground of BWF SS.


In fact, LCW is better than LD in most aspects.


Only morons would think that LCW's 5 times Mas title(SEA tournament) is as significant as Lin Dan's 4AE, 2WC, 1OG, 3TC, and 3SC titls.:rolleyes: At least Taufik can say he has got some OG, WC, and AG to go along with his 6 Ina titles.

Do I need to say more?:rolleyes: The moron award goes to Mr. Indra or is it Miss Indra?:confused:

[george@chongwei]

from memory, LD lost to LCW

07 japan open (it was at the SF, LD came out from an injury rest over, still rusty)
sudirman cup (china won it anyway)
Thomas cup (china won it anyway)
09 swiss open
lol, there's excuses behind each of the defeat of lin dan to chong wei:p
what about the swiss open?

[bananakid]

lol, there's excuses behind each of the defeat of lin dan to chong wei:p
what about the swiss open?

Let me answer that question.:p

The Swiss open was due to the fact that Lin Dan was tired of beating LCW 3 straight times before, so to show some compassion towards both LCW and the boleh fans, Lin Dan being the nice guy that he is, decided to let LCW win that day. 21-16, 21-16... but his kindness was not well received, and some jerk actually started a "LCW whitewashed LD" thread.

Then immediately at the Sudirman cup, Lin Dan decided to beat LCW with the exact score of 21-16, 21-16 just so bananakid could start up a "Lin Dan whitewashed LCW" thread to destroy whatever little hope the boleh fans had.:cool:

[huangkwokhau]

Do I need to say more?:rolleyes: The moron award goes to Mr. Indra or is it Miss Indra?:confused:
Is the best that you can come out with? how about some of your Obnoxious Chinese fans??...should we award some of you Mr or Ms Obnopxious Chinese fans...:p

[huangkwokhau]

Let me answer that question.:p

The Swiss open was due to the fact that Lin Dan was tired of beating LCW 3 straight times before, so to show some compassion towards both LCW and the boleh fans, Lin Dan being the nice guy that he is, decided to let LCW win that day. 21-16, 21-16... but his kindness was not well received, and some jerk actually started a "LCW whitewashed LD" thread.

Then immediately at the Sudirman cup, Lin Dan decided to beat LCW with the exact score of 21-16, 21-16 just so bananakid could start up a "Lin Dan whitewashed LCW" thread to destroy whatever little hope the boleh fans had.:cool:

Come on..some jerks are from Chinese fans also....chinese fans are good at giving excuses when their players lost.....tired of winning, etc especially when LD loses....;)

[bananakid]

Come on..some jerks are from Chinese fans also....chinese fans are good at giving excuses when their players lost.....tired of winning, etc especially when LD loses....;)

I simply reply with a joke, and if you are having trouble telling the difference between joking and talking for real... May I suggest try hanging out with some younger people, and learn how to take it easy in life sometimes.;)


lol, there's excuses behind each of the defeat of lin dan to chong wei:p
what about the swiss open?


Let me answer that question.:p

The Swiss open was due to the fact that Lin Dan was tired of beating LCW 3 straight times before, so to show some compassion towards both LCW and the boleh fans, Lin Dan being the nice guy that he is, decided to let LCW win that day. 21-16, 21-16... but his kindness was not well received, and some jerk actually started a "LCW whitewashed LD" thread.

Then immediately at the Sudirman cup, Lin Dan decided to beat LCW with the exact score of 21-16, 21-16 just so bananakid could start up a "Lin Dan whitewashed LCW" thread to destroy whatever little hope the boleh fans had.:cool:

[bananakid]

Is the best that you can come out with? how about some of your Obnoxious Chinese fans??...should we award some of you Mr or Ms Obnopxious Chinese fans...:p

feel free to do so... nobody is stopping you.
Just remember the simple rule: if you are willing to give it, be prepared to take it.:cool:

[huangkwokhau]

feel free to do so... nobody is stopping you.
Just remember the simple rule: if you are willing to give it, be prepared to take it.:cool:
Sure....bring it on.....some of you are not ready to prepare to take it..I am afraid....some did not see the jokes like you did on JIMBO....( is that a joke after all..??)

[bananakid]

Sure....bring it on.....some of you are not ready to prepare to take it..I am afraid....some did not see the jokes like you did on JIMBO....( is that a joke after all..??)

who is Jimbo?:confused:

[huangkwokhau]

who is Jimbo?:confused:
just loom at your PM....

[george@chongwei]

Let me answer that question.:p

The Swiss open was due to the fact that Lin Dan was tired of beating LCW 3 straight times before, so to show some compassion towards both LCW and the boleh fans, Lin Dan being the nice guy that he is, decided to let LCW win that day. 21-16, 21-16... but his kindness was not well received, and some jerk actually started a "LCW whitewashed LD" thread.

Then immediately at the Sudirman cup, Lin Dan decided to beat LCW with the exact score of 21-16, 21-16 just so bananakid could start up a "Lin Dan whitewashed LCW" thread to destroy whatever little hope the boleh fans had .:cool:
lol, kindness??? excuses, excuses, excuses:D
*cough*

[bananakid]

just loom at your PM....

errr... I have a habit of clearing out my inbox before it gets too full. :p
Would be nice if you just refresh my memory since you tend to have a better memory than I do. ;)

Few minutes after the above post:

ohhhhh... ekkk... Jimbo... hahahahahahahaha... I have too many important things to store in my memory than good old Jimbo. Thanks for the PM though.

[bananakid]

lol, kindness??? excuses, excuses, excuses:D
*cough*

well... didn't you ask for an excuse? I gave you one, didn't I? LOL;)
I am still waiting for a "thank you" from you, george boy.:cool:

[huangkwokhau]

errr... I have a habit of clearing out my inbox before it gets too full. :p
Would be nice if you just refresh my memory since you tend to have a better memory than I do. ;)
haha...some of your canuck also had short memory when bad things are on their side...dont worry!! just PM you...enjoy!!...now it is time for you to take it easy....;)

[george@chongwei]

well... didn't you ask for an excuse? I gave you one, didn't I? LOL;)
I am still waiting for a "thank you" from you, george boy.:cool:
what? did i asked for it?:rolleyes:
umm, u guys china jia you fans are certainly very good in giving excuses, right?:D

[bananakid]

what? did i asked for it?:rolleyes:
umm, u guys china jia you fans are certainly very good in giving excuses, right?:D

I thought my memory was bad, but you are way worse. Just a page or two ago in this thread.


lol, there's excuses behind each of the defeat of lin dan to chong wei:p
what about the swiss open?

Now, where is the "thank you" that you owe me???????

[bananakid]

haha...some of your canuck also had short memory when bad things are on their side...dont worry!! just PM you...enjoy!!...now it is time for you to take it easy....;)

oh... the good times when bananakid was young and wild. haha

Good old Jimbo has never been the same after that.

Again thanks for the PM and reminding me of the good old times when my postings were even more wild than they are now. LOL

[indra]

Still, LCW is FAR better than LD and other current Chinese MS.

[huangkwokhau]

oh... the good times when bananakid was young and wild. haha

Good old Jimbo has never been the same after that.

Again thanks for the PM and reminding me of the good old times when my postings were even more wild than they are now. LOL
well..just to let you know that some jokes may not be appropriate when you think it is....just want to remind you..as you said...prepare to take it when you give it....:D

[george@chongwei]

I thought my memory was bad, but you are way worse. Just a page or two ago in this thread.



Now, where is the "thank you" that you owe me???????
my thank you to you end up with this post>> http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1181574&postcount=62
:p

[Oldhand]

Guys, let's keep the, um, choice nouns and adjectives out...
...and I'm sure this discussion will roll along just fine :)

[lcleing]

hi guys, first time posting here. Just to drop by and say hi.

Have been browsing the forum a bit and feel that this is a great place to discuss badminton. However, I got really upset by some of the forumers who tried to talk down certain players/compare one player to the other while they themselves have close to zero experience in competitive badminton.

Some forumers even resort to insult/calling others name which frustrated me even further. I thought the badminton community should be a little bit more mature than some of the gaming community out there which consist of kids of who are not older than 18 but I was wrong.

Hopefully, all the chinese, taufik, boleh fans can get along better in the future. Peace.

[extremenanopowe]

datuk said he doesn't have the mood lah. so forget it lah. ;)

[cooler]

lol, there's excuses behind each of the defeat of lin dan to chong wei:p
what about the swiss open?
can't tell u, it is too damning and politically sensitive for u (and bolehians) to handle it:p

beside, LD lost to lcw only in few unimportant occassions. I don't need to give out too much excuses for him anyway. I have also said it many times, Lcw is a nice boy, consider lcw's win over LD as treats from LD.:D

[cooler]

Still, LCW is FAR better than LD and other current Chinese MS.
yes, lcw takes over BCL's crown as runner-up MS specialist.

[LazyBuddy]

lol, there's excuses behind each of the defeat of lin dan to chong wei:p
what about the swiss open?


There's no excuse what so ever.

However, the history is defined by "consistency" and "achivement when it counts" (count by public standard, not by a group). Right now, LD got almost all the most important title already, so, he already got his spot as one of the best ever. For LCW, unless he can prove on the big stage, otherwise, all the SS can only make him a very good player, but not the greatest group.

LCW can surely defeat LD, and he did in a few times here and there. If he can keep up with consistency, and finally shine on the big stages, then he will surely secure his own spot. Before then, I have to say the SS collections are just "flash light compare to stars" at the moment. ;)

[george@chongwei]

There's no excuse what so ever.

However, the history is defined by "consistency" and "achivement when it counts" (count by public standard, not by a group). Right now, LD got almost all the most important title already, so, he already got his spot as one of the best ever. For LCW, unless he can prove on the big stage, otherwise, all the SS can only make him a very good player, but not the greatest group.

LCW can surely defeat LD, and he did in a few times here and there. If he can keep up with consistency, and finally shine on the big stages, then he will surely secure his own spot. Before then, I have to say the SS collections are just "flash light compare to stars" at the moment. ;)
very well spoken!!!;)
applause to you!

[bananakid]

As Long As LYD/JJS has not won OG or WC, they wont be remembered..it does not matter..how many SS titles or AE they have won.....

The above opinion is from the well respected member "huangkwokhau", and let me edit the above a bit for all the boleh fans.;)


As Long As LCW has not won OG, AE or WC, he wont be remembered..it does not matter..how many SS titles he has won.....

There you go.;)

[danielwong]

yes, lcw takes over BCL's crown as runner-up MS specialist.


yeah....coz BCL cant even go near it now...
too bad....:D:D:D

[george@chongwei]

yeah....coz BCL cant even go near it now...
too bad....:D:D:D
yep, that's too bad though:p:p

[Jonc108]

In the press, he has likened his rivalry against LD to that of Federer vs Nadal (regarding himself as the equivalent of Nadal presumably).

http://www.badmintonplanet.com/badminton-news/1163-chong-wei-a-match-for-lin-dan-.html

As much as he wants this to be the case, it is foolish and quite frankly wrong for him to make such a comparison. Why? because Nadal OWNS Federer when you look at their Head to Head, and perhaps more importantly, Nadal has faced Federer in 7 Major finals, and won 5 of them. What does that say? It doesn't say Nadal is the better player in terms of skill or talent, because aside from FO 08, their matches are decided on a mere few, but crucial, points. It says Nadal has the mental edge and the ability to step up when it most matters.
.....

after reading what LCW said, my feeling is.... the boy is still a boy, far from mature... don't know when he could be a real man, that is brave enough to face his own distance from LD, at least at the moment...

this is what I regard as the biggest weakness in LCW's character, that prevent him from being the real champion... always talk too much and like a sour loser...

[bananakid]

It's extremely hard to defeat LCW in South East Asia SSs.
It is easy to defeat Chinese MS in South East Asia SSs.

Defeating LCW in South East Asia SSs is like drinking boiling water.
Defeating Chinese MS in SEA SSs is like drinking cool orange juice.

It seems like it is much easier for other badminton players to drink boiling water than cool orange juice.:rolleyes: LCW just got his rear-end kicked by an unseeded player once again.:eek:

[Jonc108]

yeah....coz BCL cant even go near it now...
too bad....:D:D:D

too bad, LCW just succeeded in preventing BCL to go near him by losing a round earlier... so BCL could not meet him... :D:D

[george@chongwei]

too bad, LCW just succeeded in preventing BCL to go near him by losing a round earlier... so BCL could not meet him... :D:D
because he's learning from LD to give way... and give some chance.;):p

[cooler]

yeah....coz BCL cant even go near it now...
too bad....:D:D:D


yep, that's too bad though:p:p

one key point to remember, BCL was NEVER ranked as #1 MS so BCL didn't really lost much from handing over the runner specialist title to LCW:p

[cooler]

because he's learning from LD to give way... and give some chance.;):p
finally, someone believe what i have been saying, LD is generous.
It's good that LCW striving for that too:)

[george@chongwei]

finally, someone believe what i have been saying, LD is generous.
It's good that LCW striving for that too:)
yes, now after chong wei's loss to nguyen just now.. i have a feeling that chong wei had finally learn something 'useful' from LD;)

[LazyBuddy]

As much as he wants this to be the case, it is foolish and quite frankly wrong for him to make such a comparison. Why? because Nadal OWNS Federer when you look at their Head to Head, and perhaps more importantly, Nadal has faced Federer in 7 Major finals, and won 5 of them. What does that say? It doesn't say Nadal is the better player in terms of skill or talent, because aside from FO 08, their matches are decided on a mere few, but crucial, points. It says Nadal has the mental edge and the ability to step up when it most matters.

Who said LCW can not be Nadal? He just exited the tournament in even earlier round. :D

[george@chongwei]

Who said LCW can not be Nadal? He just exited the tournament in even earlier round. :D
But Nadal is a left handed while chong wei is right handed though:(
lin dan can be nadal!:):p:p

[LazyBuddy]

But Nadal is a left handed while chong wei is right handed though:(
lin dan can be nadal!:):p:p

Hahahahhah... Ok, I am 2nd on this one. :p

[cooler]

Hahahahhah... Ok, I am 2nd on this one. :p
then we let them sort it out who's would be equivalent to federer, TH or LCW:D

[bananakid]

come on, guys... Nadal is no Datuk!!!:(

[cooler]

yes, now after chong wei's loss to nguyen just now.. i have a feeling that chong wei had finally learn something 'useful' from LD;)hope lcw also learnt something from NTM too, excel under pressure coz he has to show to his new sponsor Victor that he is worth the beans, and to the Vietnam badminton Federation they shouldn't have forgotten about him. Without NTM, the VBF is now quite hollow.

[lcleing]

yes, now after chong wei's loss to nguyen just now.. i have a feeling that chong wei had finally learn something 'useful' from LD;)


Stop feeding the trolls please. Let those haters be. Is not like they have a great MS player from their country to be proud of, so let them vent a little bit of frustration by mocking players from other countries to make them feel a little better on themselves.

[Maximum]

for lcw, at his age, he should be more careful and be a little selective of which tourney he should attend if he really want to go to olympic in london... he is not young anymore and if he goes to every tourney just to keep n improve his ranking points, its going to take a toll on him b4 the olympic... as an adult, he should be wise enough to know what is good for his body.. he shouldnt force himself and go everywhere to rake some prize money...
like LD, he now knows wat is best for him to do, he is taking certain precautions to maintain his fitness till 2012...
when ppl gets older, ppl tends to hav more injuries EASIER...

[danielwong]

as Max said, LCW should slow down....no point for him to keep on winning SS titles...
of course in this case, he crashed out....

[indra]

LCW is focusing on INA SS

[LazyBuddy]

LCW is focusing on INA SS

Good. Totally agree. LCW is saving his gas for another pot of boiling water. :p

[george@chongwei]

Good. Totally agree. LCW is saving his gas for another pot of boiling water. :p
boiling water once again:D:rolleyes:

[koo_fan]

LCW is focusing on INA SS
Don't give it up. Whatever you'd hear from press and the fans. Ignore, Go and Fight for INA SS.

Lee Chong Wei really need to prioritize. Don't get too stressed out by unnecessary matches in local tournaments adn end up being exhausted for the bigger tournament. I'd get seriously upset if this is a WC's lost. Yeah, yeah, there's lots of reasons why he need to participate in Pahang Open recently.(sponsors etc) .I am aware.
It saddened me that we din owned several players to back LCW up, nicely.

[OneToughBirdie]

for lcw, at his age, he should be more careful and be a little selective of which tourney he should attend if he really want to go to olympic in london... he is not young anymore and if he goes to every tourney just to keep n improve his ranking points, its going to take a toll on him b4 the olympic... as an adult, he should be wise enough to know what is good for his body.. he shouldnt force himself and go everywhere to rake some prize money...
like LD, he now knows wat is best for him to do, he is taking certain precautions to maintain his fitness till 2012...
when ppl gets older, ppl tends to hav more injuries EASIER...

I agree with most of what you say...but do you really think LCW plans to win in OG12 when he is like 30 or rake in as much $$$ as he can amass at present when he can still win SS (esp when LD is absent), collects the bonus $$$ as WR1 before he quits? If he is planning the latter, nobody can blame him, he is a pro player playing a game as a fulltime job...and maybe with Proton and Yonex as sponsor as Eagle said, he not have a choice not to play.

[Ajaib]

NGuyen spoiled my party in SO...
btw,, congratz for NTM....

[limsy]

haha,he had prove hisself,to be beaten by nguyen tien minh;)

[Maximum]

he really need to slow down abit... he is not LD... LD can win back to back titles because of his superbly quick recovery from a tourney... i dont think LCW has that kind of speed in that case.. he gets tired easily and lose easily and his mental strength is very weak compared to the other players fr other country... the msia coaches shud wirk on this matter with him

[drifit]

LD can win back to back titles because of his superbly quick recovery from a tourney.
.........:confused::p:D..........

[Jonc108]

come on, guys... Nadal is no Datuk!!!:(

but it's Datuk himself compared himself to Nadal... ;)

[jasonmarc]

but it's Datuk himself compared himself to Nadal... ;)

First time i heard about this....intersting.....please show the prove that he had compared himself to Nadal......the source/s.....:D

[extremenanopowe]

Heads should roll if there's no good showing in IO. No excuses. It's all about planning. ;)

[badders2006]

First time i heard about this....intersting.....please show the prove that he had compared himself to Nadal......the source/s.....:D

LCW does not explicitly compare himself to Nadal. However, he likens his rivalry against LD to that of Nadal vs Federer.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Saturday/Sport/2564195/Article/index_html

it's upto you to decide whether LCW considers himself the Nadal equivalent or Federer equivalent...

my guess is LCW compares himself to Nadal... (come on, does he really think he is like Federer?!) but as I said in my previous post in this thread, comparing himself to Nadal is foolish and at best, premature. As much as LCW wants to believe it, it will never be the case until he starts beating LD when it matters.

[jasonmarc]

LCW does not explicitly compare himself to Nadal. However, he likens his rivalry against LD to that of Nadal vs Federer.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Saturday/Sport/2564195/Article/index_html

it's upto you to decide whether LCW considers himself the Nadal equivalent or Federer equivalent...

my guess is LCW compares himself to Nadal... (come on, does he really think he is like Federer?!) but as I said in my previous post in this thread, comparing himself to Nadal is foolish and at best, premature. As much as LCW wants to believe it, it will never be the case until he starts beating LD when it matters.

Thanks for the reply.

As you said,..he is comparing merely the rivalry betwee him and LD to Nadal/Roger....he didnt say he's like Nadal nor Federer......;)

Please dont put somethings u guess into his mouth...he didnt say that.....:cool:

Yes, he knew its foolish to comapare himself to Nadal.... thats why he never said it...........please be fair to him........:(:(

LCW always know LD is better than him,...but it is wrong for him to have an ambition to beat LD........I personally think that is the right attitude for a professional player........:p

[AlanY]

Thanks for the reply.

As you said,..he is comparing merely the rivalry betwee him and LD to Nadal/Roger....he didnt say he's like Nadal nor Federer......;)

Please dont put somethings u guess into his mouth...he didnt say that.....:cool:

Yes, he knew its foolish to comapare himself to Nadal.... thats why he never said it...........please be fair to him........:(:(

LCW always know LD is better than him,...but it is wrong for him to have an ambition to beat LD........I personally think that is the right attitude for a professional player........:p
dont put somethings u guess into his mind! it is absolutely right for LCW to have ambition to beat LD. It is the right attitude for any professional player, to better oneself and to be the best.

[koo_fan]

The essence of optimism is that it takes no account of the present, but it is a source of inspiration, of vitality and hope where others have resigned; it enables a Lee Chong Wei to hold his head high, to claim the future for himself and not to abandon it to his enemy. Does LCW own that optimism ? I'd sick to see someone adores Lin Dan superiority so much that other players couldn't do anything to stop him.

Good luck for the Ina Open la Chong Wei. For the SO's lost, learn and move on.

[hezudao]

haha,ya
agree agree
so do lindan need to beat u to prove he is not only better than taufik,but also u?
can i complain like:lindan won wc/tc/sc/ae/og JUST because he never meet the top timor leste ms player?:rolleyes:

anyway,the FACT IS:
cj is better than lcw because cj have ae:rolleyes:
and bcl is better than lcw as lcw never enter wc final:rolleyes:
prove what? no need proof lar,:rolleyes:he cant even overcome hafiz the 2003 ae winner(acording to many bcers theory,the major title theory):rolleyes:read the post below if u dont understand what is the major title theory:rolleyes:
proof what?he not the 2nd best,
th(og winner) is there,peter gade(ae winner) is there and the list go on:rolleyes:
u should know who is better now:rolleyes:



see,ajaib,ur point is meaningless;)
acording to the major title theory
cj is one of the best,peter gade is one of the best,lindan is one of th best,so is th,but lcw?:rolleyes:

lol denial can be an awesome tool

[extremenanopowe]

Lets have a good 2 years of rivalry between these 2 guys before they retire. ;) LD shd still be in singapore to play.

[badders2006]

Thanks for the reply.

As you said,..he is comparing merely the rivalry betwee him and LD to Nadal/Roger....he didnt say he's like Nadal nor Federer......;)

Please dont put somethings u guess into his mouth...he didnt say that.....:cool:

Yes, he knew its foolish to comapare himself to Nadal.... thats why he never said it...........please be fair to him........:(:(

LCW always know LD is better than him,...but it is wrong for him to have an ambition to beat LD........I personally think that is the right attitude for a professional player........:p

Well when you are comparing your rivalry to Nadal v Federer then it is IMPLICIT you liken yourself to either Nadal or Federer, no? So I'm not putting anything into LCW's mouth! I'm just exploring both alternatives, neither of which is feasible.

However, you are right, nothing wrong with ambition to beat LD.

It's just that, he made quite a bold statement. Nadal is a freak of nature, he is 5 years younger than Federer (just turned 23 yrs old this month) and has beaten Federer far more times than Federer has beaten him (H2H is 13-7 in favour of Nadal). I have been watching the Federer/Nadal rivalry closely since it started in 2004. By all means, LCW can use Nadal as a source of inspiration :) but, at this point in time, his rivalry with LD is by no means similar to the great rivalry of Nadal v Federer.

[eRa@에라]

Crash? I don't know if that word can really be applied as far as SO is concern... and you can see the points were really close. best man of the day was Nguyen Tien Minh. LCW tried very hard to win but it's really not his day. And he didn't crash with 21-8 or so kinda points... Hope he could do better in IO.

[Jonc108]

First time i heard about this....intersting.....please show the prove that he had compared himself to Nadal......the source/s.....:D

oh dear, are you really on this thread? turn to page 2 and read the news link in badders2006's post....

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71186&highlight=Nadal&page=2


...
In the press, he has likened his rivalry against LD to that of Federer vs Nadal (regarding himself as the equivalent of Nadal presumably).

http://www.badmintonplanet.com/badminton-news/1163-chong-wei-a-match-for-lin-dan-.html

....

or Datuk compared himself as Federer???;)

[Jonc108]

Well when you are comparing your rivalry to Nadal v Federer then it is IMPLICIT you liken yourself to either Nadal or Federer, no? So I'm not putting anything into LCW's mouth! I'm just exploring both alternatives, neither of which is feasible.

However, you are right, nothing wrong with ambition to beat LD.

It's just that, he made quite a bold statement. Nadal is a freak of nature, he is 5 years younger than Federer (just turned 23 yrs old this month) and has beaten Federer far more times than Federer has beaten him (H2H is 13-7 in favour of Nadal). I have been watching the Federer/Nadal rivalry closely since it started in 2004. By all means, LCW can use Nadal as a source of inspiration :) but, at this point in time, his rivalry with LD is by no means similar to the great rivalry of Nadal v Federer.

totally agree!!!

that's what I said, LCW talks too much, that's really disappointing...

until he really crown himself enough "badminton grand slam" (WC, OG, AE, or maybe include SC, TC...) to be the likes as LD, it is not convincing to compare himself as anyone of Federee or Nadal...

athletes better prove by winning than talk...

[weeyeh]

Well when you are comparing your rivalry to Nadal v Federer then it is IMPLICIT you liken yourself to either Nadal or Federer, no? So I'm not putting anything into LCW's mouth! I'm just exploring both alternatives, neither of which is feasible.

Technically, no. Similarly, when a person says that "comparing a Yonex to a Lining is like comparing Apples to Oranges", he did not say that Yonex is an apple and Lining is an orange. LCW's statement makes no implicit claim likening himself to Nadal or Federer.

However, you did not put anything into LCW's mouth. You simply misrepresented him.



that's what I said, LCW talks too much, that's really disappointing...


Not obvious if LCW talks too much but you obviously infer too much. At least you do not have to be disappointed with LCW. Not inferring too much is well within your control so you need not be disapointed about that either.

[cooler]

Technically, no. Similarly, when a person says that "comparing a Yonex to a Lining is like comparing Apples to Oranges", he did not say that Yonex is an apple and Lining is an orange. LCW's statement makes no implicit claim likening himself to Nadal or Federer.

However, you did not put anything into LCW's mouth. You simply misrepresented him.



Lin Dan can't attack as much as he used to while I have also managed to regain my confidence and challenge him.


hmmm, didn't LD waxed LCW lately in sudirman cup and all england or is lcw basing his spectacular win of 09 swiss open as his anchoring point?

[badders2006]

Technically, no. Similarly, when a person says that "comparing a Yonex to a Lining is like comparing Apples to Oranges", he did not say that Yonex is an apple and Lining is an orange. LCW's statement makes no implicit claim likening himself to Nadal or Federer.

However, you did not put anything into LCW's mouth. You simply misrepresented him.

OK lets go with your approach -He wasn't likening himself to Nadal or Federer. He was merely saying "the rivalries are similar".;)

Then how is LCW v LD rivalry similar to Nadal v Federer rivalry? In the sense that you are talking about the 2 best players in each sport competing against each other? Cos that's where the similarity ends!!

The Nadal v Federer rivalry is distinguished by the fact that a) Federer is considered the greatest tennis player of all time but b) more often than not Nadal has bettered Federer in the grandest of stages by displaying superior mental strength, as explained earlier in this thread. The most recent examples being Australian Open 09, and Wimbledon 08. Hence, on discussion boards, tennis fans joke that Federer has nightmares of Nadal or that Federer needs to see a psychiatrist to beat Nadal.

As for the LD v LCW rivalry, I see the latter very occasionally beating the former in Super Series events, but the former comprehensively beating the latter everytime they meet in a Major tournament. Hmm, looks like only one player has all the big trophies and the superior mental strength!

Regardless of whether LCW likens himself to either NAdal or Federer, his rivalry against LD does not resemble the NAdal v Federer rivalry. Again, it was foolish and at best premature for LCW to make such a bold statement. LCW needs to start beating LD in 5 star tournaments before he has any right to claim such similarities.

[badders2006]

Also, consider the context of the following passage.

"It used to be Lin Dan against Taufik (Hidayat of Indonesia) but I have been able to challenge the Olympic champion now. The rivalry is something like Nadal against Federer," said Chong Wei yesterday.

I sincerely doubt I misrepresented LCW based on these comments...

[badders2006]

hmmm, didn't LD waxed LCW lately in sudirman cup and all england or is lcw basing his spectacular win of 09 swiss open as his anchoring point?

Hey, no need to go into the fine details, OK? ;)

The only thing you need to know is, LCW can push LD to the point where LD must be fully focused in order to win.

The rivalry is something like Nadal against Federer. :D

[jasonmarc]

Also, consider the context of the following passage.

"It used to be Lin Dan against Taufik (Hidayat of Indonesia) but I have been able to challenge the Olympic champion now. The rivalry is something like Nadal against Federer," said Chong Wei yesterday.

I sincerely doubt I misrepresented LCW based on these comments...

Ohh.....that the important word...' something'....at lease he didnt say 'totally like'........he said 'something like'.......... :D:D.

[indra]

In soccer:

TH = Brasil, LCW = Argentina, PG = Italy, LD = Poland

In Boxing:
TH: Muhammad Ali, LCW = Foreman, PG = Joe Freizer, LD = Lennox Lewis

In Tennis:
TH = Bjon Borg, LCW = Nadal, PG = Pete Sampras, LD = Michael Chang

[OneToughBirdie]

In soccer:

TH = Brasil, LCW = Argentina, PG = Italy, LD = Poland

In Boxing:
TH: Muhammad Ali, LCW = Foreman, PG = Joe Freizer, LD = Lennox Lewis

In Tennis:
TH = Bjon Borg, LCW = Nadal, PG = Pete Sampras, LD = Michael Chang


Errr...don't you think nice guy PG is more Rocky Marciano (at least they are both fair skin) than Smokin' Joe unless you know PG is smoking something:p:D as for LCW being Foreman, that is quite a mismatch, Foreman is of BBQ chicken grill fame (you should see how many chicken the fella chow down), muscular (or you may call fat this day) and huge (he can hide LCW in his backside) while LCW is featherweight and scrawny (he needs to eat some real food, man!):p:D

[weeyeh]

OK lets go with your approach -He wasn't likening himself to Nadal or Federer. He was merely saying "the rivalries are similar".;)

Indeed that's exactly what he is reported to have said so please stick to that and not your inferences.


Then how is LCW v LD rivalry similar to Nadal v Federer rivalry?Now, that is open to discussion. You may disagree to his likening the rivalry. I do not agree the rivalry is entirely comparable but that's another story. It's entirely different to say that he liken himself to Nadal or Federer based on the reported statement.


Also, consider the context of the following passage.

"It used to be Lin Dan against Taufik (Hidayat of Indonesia) but I have been able to challenge the Olympic champion now. The rivalry is something like Nadal against Federer," said Chong Wei yesterday.

I sincerely doubt I misrepresented LCW based on these comments...

Once again, your logic defies me. Taufik is not a spent force but as much as I support him, I cannot deny that he will have to dig very deep to beat LD or LCW (sparing a similar accident like NTM/CL/RS). The current yardstick for the World #1 LCW is whether he can beat his arch nemesis LD in important matches, not dissimilar to whether Federer can beat Nadal?

I sincerely cannot find where LCW said he is like either Federer or Nadal.

[badders2006]

Once again, your logic defies me. Taufik is not a spent force but as much as I support him, I cannot deny that he will have to dig very deep to beat LD or LCW (sparing a similar accident like NTM/CL/RS). The current yardstick for the World #1 LCW is whether he can beat his arch nemesis LD in important matches, not dissimilar to whether Federer can beat Nadal?

Sorry but that is quite a ridiculous suggestion. Do you really think when LCW made that statement he considered himself to being in Federer's position, and for this reason likened his LD rivalry to the Nadal v Fed rivalry??
Come on boss, now you are just clutching at straws and completely ignoring the ordinary meaning of LCW statement.

As i have explained countless times, the great Fed v Nadal rivalry is defined by the fact that the former has dominated the circuit for 4/5 years and won countless Majors, and often, but not always, comes up short in epic, closely contested battles with the latter in Major tournaments.

LD v LCW rivalry - the former has dominated the circuit for 4/5 years and won countless Majors, and comprehensively beats the latter (who, by the way, has never won a Major) everytime they meet in Major tournaments.

See the fundamental difference?? One is a great rivarly. The other is more like a one-sided rivalry...

Here's the passage again.
"It used to be Lin Dan against Taufik (Hidayat of Indonesia) but I have been able to challenge the Olympic champion now. The rivalry is something like Nadal against Federer"

Give this statement it's ORDINARY MEANING. Pleaseee.

LD = Olympic Champion = Dominates the Circuit = Wins everything = The Champ = Federer.
TH = destroyed LD in 2005 world championships = was the only real challenger to the Champ = Nadal
Now LCW believes he is also a genuine challenger to the Champ...

And by the way, unlike Badminton, the World No. 1 in tennis does not have problems beating his arch nemesis in important matches. Because in case you don't know, the world no. 1 is Nadal :D Oh yes, rankings matter! (according to you) ;)

[cooler]

The current yardstick for the World #1 LCW is whether he can beat his arch nemesis LD in important matches, not dissimilar to whether Federer can beat Nadal?

I sincerely cannot find where LCW said he is like either Federer or Nadal.

i dont care much about comparison of ld vs lcw is liking to federer vs nadal rivalry because it is just child talk. The reality is self evident.

Honestly, to really call lcw a truly #1 player, he has demostrate 2 things, not 1 as u have alluded.

#1. he has to beat lin dan in big tourney
#2. he has to do task #1 repeatedly.

right now, lcw still trying to do task #1

[badders2006]

i dont care much about comparison of ld vs lcw is liking to federer vs nadal rivalry because it is just child talk. The reality is self evident.

Honestly, to really call lcw a truly #1 player, he has demostrate 2 things, not 1 as u have alluded.

#1. he has to beat lin dan in big tourney
#2. he has to do task #1 repeatedly.

right now, lcw still trying to do task #1

LCW has simply played more tournaments than LD - we all know who the DE FACTO world no.1 is.

But don't you see? nominal rankings matter to weeyeh, otherwise there is no possible similarity to the Federer V Nadal rivalry. :D

[bradmyster]

very disapointing to see all the people talking LCW down in this thread......the fact he is World #1, the fact that he is even competing at top level, the fact he has made finals in alot of the tournaments he has played in and the fact that he has been near the top of World badminton for the past 10 years or so...(no idea how long really just a geauss) that should all be enough for us to go :O WOW THATS SIMPLY AMAZING....

Give him the credit he deserves you arrogant fools.

[badders2006]

WHo's talking down LCW? THe guy is class and is clearly the second best badminton player on the planet. The guy trains like a madman, and has even been known to over-train himself if he isn't properly monitored, because as talented as he is, he knows he needs to train hard to be the best. I totally respect and admire his work ethic and him as an athlete.

However, we are talking about a statement LCW made. A very very bold statement, which was foolish and, at best, premature.

[bradmyster]

WHo's talking down LCW? THe guy is class and is clearly the second best badminton player on the planet. The guy trains like a madman, and has even been known to over-train himself if he isn't properly monitored, because as talented as he is, he knows he needs to train hard to be the best. I totally respect and admire his work ethic and him as an athlete.

However, we are talking about a statement LCW made. A very very bold statement, which was foolish and, at best, premature.

he compared his and LD battle to Nadal and Federer battle.....how is it foolish.......2 sports with 2 similiar battles.

[jasonmarc]

Just happily found and reconfirmed that how important now LCW is....a statement he made can be widely discussed with twists and turns for past few weeks.................

People are being too overly clever to make their very own interpretation and making their own conclusion to his statements.....like.........something similar rivarly with...., I am not in good shape to defend SG title,.....etc....

Maybe they are too worry,...if LCW who said was not in top form....suddently wins the title,.........when LCW lost like he did,....they cant really condemn him for that lost because he already told he is not well prepared right before the tournament started....

But the real reason....??

[jasonmarc]

LCW has simply played more tournaments than LD - we all know who the DE FACTO world no.1 is.

But don't you see? nominal rankings matter to weeyeh, otherwise there is no possible similarity to the Federer V Nadal rivalry. :D

Yes, he did played more tournament than LD to be WR No. 1.....if LCW played more tournament than LD but not consistantly reached at least SF stage......he still cant over take LD for WR No. 1

And two weeks ago,...LD dropped to 3rd. and PG overtook the 2nd spot....U shd blame PG also.......simply played more taounament than LD to grb the 2nd spot in the world.....? or 2nd spot is not as important...?

LD chosen to play less tournament that LD's decision,...dont blame LCW for being WR No.1...............I personnally think if LD to play as many tournament as LCW did......LD still the WR No. 1 in the world.....no doubt...! :D

[eaglehelang]

Just happily found and reconfirmed that how important now LCW is....a statement he made can be widely discussed with twists and turns for past few weeks.................

,....they cant really condemn him for that lost because he already told he is not well prepared right before the tournament started....

But the real reason....??

LOL, maybe the 'cant really condemn him' part got sthing to do with it. Like we discuss in the other thread lor, other players also say "not in best condition" or "just recover "from whatever ailment never mind. PG, the WR#2,older than LCW, play many2 tournaments also, never mind.:D:p
Other players also stimes make 'interesting' statements, including the 'real' no 1, never even posted also, haha.

Maybe they all want to take over the job of Msian press.;);)

[weeyeh]

i dont care much about comparison of ld vs lcw is liking to federer vs nadal rivalry because it is just child talk. The reality is self evident.

Irrelevant, IMHO, but agree nevertheless. Still, relax the rigor and there are some similarity between both "rivalries". This is supported by LCW's use of "something like" instead of "exactly like" in the reported statement. The arguement is really where a certain party decides that comparing rivalry implies equating to the rivaling subjects.



...
#1. he has to beat lin dan in big tourney
#2. he has to do task #1 repeatedly.

right now, lcw still trying to do task #1

Notice the use of plural "important matches" in my original statement?

[weeyeh]

Sorry but that is quite a ridiculous suggestion. Do you really think when LCW made that statement he considered himself to being in Federer's position, and for this reason likened his LD rivalry to the Nadal v Fed rivalry??


It is not impossible but one cannot be conclusive about that. But that's clearly how you have concluded and the reason for this conversation.


...See the fundamental difference?? One is a great rivarly. The other is more like a one-sided rivalry...

No problem with that the comparison may not be accurate. You may have missed that I have clearly indicated my disagreement that the rivalry is comparable in the prior statement.

This, however, is not the point of our disagreement. My point has always been that LCW's reported statement did not liken himself to Federer nor Nadal.



Here's the passage again.
"It used to be Lin Dan against Taufik (Hidayat of Indonesia) but I have been able to challenge the Olympic champion now. The rivalry is something like Nadal against Federer"

Give this statement it's ORDINARY MEANING. Pleaseee.

LD = Olympic Champion = Dominates the Circuit = Wins everything = The Champ = Federer.
TH = destroyed LD in 2005 world championships = was the only real challenger to the Champ = Nadal
Now LCW believes he is also a genuine challenger to the Champ...


IOW, A-B = X-Y implies that A must be X and B must be Y?



And by the way, unlike Badminton, the World No. 1 in tennis does not have problems beating his arch nemesis in important matches. Because in case you don't know, the world no. 1 is Nadal :D Oh yes, rankings matter! (according to you) ;)

Again, my good sir, you let your habit of misrepresentation surface. Where exactly did I say or indicated that ranking matter? Just because I mentioned that LCW is World #1?

[jasonmarc]

It is not impossible but one cannot be conclusive about that. But that's clearly how you have concluded and the reason for this conversation.



No problem with that the comparison may not be accurate. You may have missed that I have clearly indicated my disagreement that the rivalry is comparable in the prior statement.

This, however, is not the point of our disagreement. My point has always been that LCW's reported statement did not liken himself to Federer nor Nadal.



IOW, A-B = X-Y implies that A must be X and B must be Y?



Again, my good sir, you let your habit of misrepresentation surface. Where exactly did I say or indicated that ranking matter? Just because I mentioned that LCW is World #1?

Spot on.....well said, weeyeh....! :p

[Jonc108]

i dont care much about comparison of ld vs lcw is liking to federer vs nadal rivalry because it is just child talk. The reality is self evident.

Honestly, to really call lcw a truly #1 player, he has demostrate 2 things, not 1 as u have alluded.

#1. he has to beat lin dan in big tourney
#2. he has to do task #1 repeatedly.

right now, lcw still trying to do task #1

exactly, this is the point...

LCW should make statements by the racket, not by self-claiming talks...

[LazyBuddy]

This, however, is not the point of our disagreement. My point has always been that LCW's reported statement did not liken himself to Federer nor Nadal.

IOW, A-B = X-Y implies that A must be X and B must be Y?

Again, my good sir, you let your habit of misrepresentation surface. Where exactly did I say or indicated that ranking matter? Just because I mentioned that LCW is World #1?


Here's a big problem in your statement, though. :rolleyes:

A-B <<< X-Y (A,B: Federer, Nadal, X,Y: LD, LCW).

The difference of success (in a consistent manner) between Federer and Nadal is much smaller, when compare to LD vs. LCW (please, no more Swiss Open).

Both Federer and Nadal got their spots in the history of greatest players, consider their grand slam titles collection. LD also got his spot, but LCW... well, unless he pick up his pace, otherwise, he has no spot in the history, I have say.

[LazyBuddy]

LD chosen to play less tournament that LD's decision,...dont blame LCW for being WR No.1...............I personnally think if LD to play as many tournament as LCW did......LD still the WR No. 1 in the world.....no doubt...! :D


Give me a break about the "blame". :(

I can self claim that my own New York or US ranking points is way higher than LD+LCW+TH+PG combined. Because they never played any local tournament here. So, don't blame me for consider me being "self claimed better" than LD, LCW, TH, PG, etc. As that's not my fault either, that they do not come to compete. So, I can shameless say, for New York ranking perspective, I am much better, no doubt... :cool:

[LazyBuddy]

v

Give him the credit he deserves you arrogant fools.

He deserves a lot of credit, but not to Nadal's level yet, until he can at least win a few major titles. Nadal got his spot in history, not because he won a few satellite title, but grand slam titles. In badminton, the grand slam type of titles are the likes of WC, OG, AE, etc, not Swiss Open or MAS Open.

Btw, please take back the offended language for yourself... :mad:

[LazyBuddy]

Actually, why we all wasting mouth water here? No one going to listen to each other anyway. :o

I guess a few years later, when both retired, let the history define whether such a statement is valid (consider the time stamp, though), or simply drawing laughs.

As a fan, I wish ppl can laugh at me and consider myself as a "fool", if LCW can consistently pulling out great victories, and raise the meaningful trophies. His defense always amazed me. However, up to this point, I am been disappointed every single time, when it really counts. :cool:

[badders2006]

This, however, is not the point of our disagreement. My point has always been that LCW's reported statement did not liken himself to Federer nor Nadal.

Sure sure, we'll leave it as that. LCW did not necessarily liken himself to Nadal or Federer. I'll concede that for argument's sake. Arguing over semantics is irrelevant in the bigger picture though. Do you agree with that?

The bigger picture being, saying his rivarly with LD is something like the great Fed v Nadal rivarly was foolish and at best premature. Fed is arguably the greatest ever tennis player of all time. Nadal is already an all-time great who, more often than not, has bettered the GOAT in the grandest of stages. Enough said.

Please don't revert to your "but LCW is World no.1 who has trouble beating his arch nemesis in important matches. Not too dissimilar from Fed v Nadal?" :rolleyes:

[drifit]

Actually, why we all wasting mouth water here? No one going to listen to each other anyway. :o
is your pc screen is saliva proof?

come-on, let us enjoy the yes-no thing. :D

[XtC-604]

dont put somethings u guess into his mind! it is absolutely right for LCW to have ambition to beat LD. It is the right attitude for any professional player, to better oneself and to be the best.
Sure it's right to be ambitious, but when you know that your opponent (lin dan) can pull a "super dan" any time he wants like the OG 2008, then i think the two players are on seperate levels. Lin Dan has won everything, LCW? got smoke hardddd in the olympics.


Also, consider the context of the following passage.

"It used to be Lin Dan against Taufik (Hidayat of Indonesia) but I have been able to challenge the Olympic champion now. The rivalry is something like Nadal against Federer," said Chong Wei yesterday.

I sincerely doubt I misrepresented LCW based on these comments...
Concurred, arrogant statement by LCW, not even the same calibur of player.


In soccer:

TH = Brasil, LCW = Argentina, PG = Italy, LD = Poland

In Boxing:
TH: Muhammad Ali, LCW = Foreman, PG = Joe Freizer, LD = Lennox Lewis

In Tennis:
TH = Bjon Borg, LCW = Nadal, PG = Pete Sampras, LD = Michael Chang
Yea no...It's more like LD = Brazil, TH = France, LCW = Senegal

[weeyeh]

Here's a big problem in your statement, though. :rolleyes:

A-B <<< X-Y (A,B: Federer, Nadal, X,Y: LD, LCW).


That's not my statement... it's LCW's. I do not see the rivalry as even close (see bottom).


Actually, why we all wasting mouth water here? No one going to listen to each other anyway. :o


I presume by each other you mean members of the forum. Then, read on...


Sure sure, we'll leave it as that. LCW did not necessarily liken himself to Nadal or Federer. I'll concede that for argument's sake. Arguing over semantics is irrelevant in the bigger picture though. Do you agree with that?


Good.. now we can focus on the rivalry.



The bigger picture being, saying his rivarly with LD is something like the great Fed v Nadal rivarly was foolish and at best premature. Fed is arguably the greatest ever tennis player of all time. Nadal is already an all-time great who, more often than not, has bettered the GOAT in the grandest of stages. Enough said.
I have always agreed that the rivalry is not at the same level. Federer vs. Nadal is so epic they have a wikipedia entry on just their rivalry. Essentially, it's a story of a young star (Nadal) rising to challenge a legend (Federer). Now, the story continues with the legend's struggle to even the scores.

If LCW vs. LD is as big as the above, we will get a lot more attention in our game. As it stands, I do not see the elements defining of as great a rivalry. The only element that exists is whether the current crowned #1 can beat his arch nemesis in important matches -- which is weird when he still doesn't any key titles under his belt and that LD was previously #1. As it stands, this "rivalry" is only a one sided struggle.

[badders2006]

The only element that exists is whether the current crowned #1 can beat his arch nemesis in important matches -- which is weird when he still doesn't any key titles under his belt and that LD was previously #1.
Not that wierd, since he enters far more tournaments than LD and goes deep into any given tournament (at least SFs) almost everytime. That's what I applaud most about LCW, his amazing consistency. Below LD, he is clearly a cut above the rest. So basically his NO. 1 ranking is a reflection of his formidable consistency.

[Oldhand]

[...]IOW, A-B = X-Y implies that A must be X and B must be Y?[...]
Equations, balanced or not, terrify me.
So I'm not going to enter this debate.

Allthesame, A-B = X-Y does not imply that A is X and B is Y.
If it's math we are arguing, the equation has many possibilities.

For instance, 4-3 = 29-28 = 34012224-34012223
Clearly, A is not X and B is not Y is any of the above sets :D

[LazyBuddy]

For instance, 4-3 = 29-28 = 34012224-34012223
Clearly, A is not X and B is not Y is any of the above sets :D


But only 34012224-34012223 (consider if skill points) can be considered as federer vs. Nadal level of "rivalry". 4-3 is like joe doe club level of "rivalry". :D

Plus, I do not consider LD vs. LCW's difference is by 1 to begin with. ;)

[george@chongwei]

wow, it looks like BCers have many Mathematics expert here;):p

[hezudao]

Sure sure, we'll leave it as that. LCW did not necessarily liken himself to Nadal or Federer. I'll concede that for argument's sake. Arguing over semantics is irrelevant in the bigger picture though. Do you agree with that?

The bigger picture being, saying his rivarly with LD is something like the great Fed v Nadal rivarly was foolish and at best premature. Fed is arguably the greatest ever tennis player of all time. Nadal is already an all-time great who, more often than not, has bettered the GOAT in the grandest of stages. Enough said.

Please don't revert to your "but LCW is World no.1 who has trouble beating his arch nemesis in important matches. Not too dissimilar from Fed v Nadal?" :rolleyes:

yup.. plus nadal owns fed head to head, esp. in big matches. lcw ;) not so much.
dumb comparison of rivalry

[jasonmarc]

yup.. plus nadal owns fed head to head, esp. in big matches. lcw ;) not so much.
dumb comparison of rivalry

Its just a simple comparison ...! Only those 'dumb' interpretations tries to make a stir here ! ;)

[Tommy Susanto]

Stop feeding the trolls please. Let those haters be. Is not like they have a great MS player from their country to be proud of, so let them vent a little bit of frustration by mocking players from other countries to make them feel a little better on themselves.


Just like the Singaporeans:p

[Tommy Susanto]

Just like the Singaporeans:p


nice:D......as i have expected:p;):D